5 Things to Watch in Packers vs Saints: Can Green Bay Stay Patient on Offense?
The Packers would be wise to take what the Saints defense gives them on Monday night.
By markoldacres

Can Green Bay stay patient on offense?
The Packers are 14-point favorites heading into Monday night’s game, so most people will be expecting Green Bay to rip New Orleans to shreds, but it may not be quite that easy.
Since the installation of Darren Rizzi as interim head coach, the Saints defense, which was usually a solid unit under now-fired former head coach Dennis Allen before struggling this season, has been much more competitive.
They have not allowed more than 21 points in any of the last five games, and are capable of frustrating their opponent’s passing attack.
New Orleans is only allowing one passing touchdown per game on average, and ranks 12th in the league in expected points added by their pass defense. They can be a tough nut to crack in the red zone, too, tied for ninth in touchdown rate allowed inside their own 20.
The stats suggest a patient, ball-control approach will be the recipe for success on Monday night.
Green Bay’s opponents rank 30th in expected points added by rush defense, which is largely due to their soft defensive center, mostly manned by Khalen Saunders and Brian Bresee, who rank 88th and 109th out of 115 qualified interior defenders at PFF.
The Saints have allowed the most yards in the league after the catch and rank 25th in missed tackles. Expect a large helping of Josh Jacobs to be on the menu, who should have some joy running up the gut and breaking tackles, especially on a cold night at Lambeau Field.
New Orleans will likely try to make the Packers march down the field on long drives. Jordan Love will need to be happy to take the checkdown when available, letting the likes of Jacobs, Tucker Kraft and Jayden Reed, who excel at making defenders miss, do the heavy lifting.
If the Packers take what the defense gives them, and crucially, take care of the football, there should be no unexpected drama on Monday night.
Spencer Rattler
Derek Carr will miss this week’s game with a fractured hand, and after Jake Haener produced a putrid performance last week, which included a passer rating of 16.1, he was replaced in the lineup by rookie Rattler, who will take the reins again this week.
Rattler fared better than Haener, but his stats on the season – 57.5% passing with two touchdowns, two interceptions and a 73.1 passer rating – are not much to brag about either.
He does have a live arm and is unafraid to take shots downfield if given the chance, and if he connects on a couple, it could keep the Saints hanging around. Whether or not Rattler is capable of playing a competent game will largely decide whether the Saints have any chance in this one.
Zach Tom vs Carl Granderson
This game will feature a clash of two premier players at their respective positions as Granderson goes up against Tom on the right side of Green Bay’s offensive line.
The Saints defensive end has 5.5 sacks on the season and ranks as PFFs 16th best edge rusher out of 117 qualified players, while Tom has only allowed two sacks in 2024 and ranks 5th out of 80 offensive tackles at PFF.
Tom has become a pillar of stability on Green Bay’s offense, and many Packers fans probably take for granted the high level of pass protection Jordan Love receives, but Tom will need to bring his A-game to keep his quarterback comfortable in the pocket this week.
Will Jaire Alexander and Luke Musgrave return?
Alexander has threatened to return from the knee issue which has kept him out of the lineup on several occasions, but has been ultimately held back to avoid the risk of him starting the game and being unable to continue, as happened in Chicago back in week 10.
This week there is extra optimism over Green Bay’s top cornerback though, as he was a full participant in each day of practice for the first time since suffering the injury.
The Packers are not facing a murderer's row of receivers this week, and this is not a must-win game, so the team is likely to be cautious with Alexander, with getting him fully healthy for the playoffs the priority. There, if he does play this week, it is safe to assume he is fully ready.
Meanwhile Musgrave, something of a forgotten man given the success of his fellow tight end Tucker Kraft, also has a shot to play on Monday night, and like Alexander, is questionable.
At this point it is clear Kraft is TE1, but Musgrave’s unique athleticism at the position adds a different dynamic to Green Bay’s offense, and working him back into the rotation in the final weeks of the regular season should help his prospects of having an impact in the playoffs.
Marquez Valdes-Scantling returns to Green Bay
MVS is back in town, facing the Packers for the first time since leaving in free agency after the 2021 season.
He did not light the world on fire in either Kansas City or Buffalo, but was unfairly maligned at times, with untimely drops – something he was prone to with the Packers – undermining his overall performances.
After being cut by the Bills after week six, he latched on with the Saints and has shown he still has something to offer as a field stretcher.
MVS has 373 yards and four touchdowns across his last six games, and as the Packers well know, is a threat to get behind the defense and create big plays. New Orleans is severely depleted in terms of offensive weapons, so Valdes-Scantling may see his fair share of targets.
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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres
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Comments (56)
Leatherhead
December 22, 2024 at 10:22 am
Long ago, on a Monday Night Game, the announcers kept talking about the offense was taking what the defense gives them. OJ Simpson finally said "This is the NFL, and sometimes, you have to decide what you need and go take it". I liked that then, and now. Taking what the defense gives you isn't a recipe for scoring a lot of points.
We've scored 30 four games in a row. We've scored at least 29 in 9 games ( out of 14), We are 2nd in the league in yards/play. We are 4th in net yards/pass. We are 2nd in fewest times sacked. We are 7th in scoring, we're at home, all the principles on offense are healthy and we should just go out and take what we want. New Orleans can't stop the Packers, only the Packers can stop the Packers, and if they settle for taking what the defense gives them, that's what'll happen.
Since'61
December 22, 2024 at 11:15 am
I completely agree Leatherhead. The only way the Packers lose is if they beat themselves. Should be another 30+ game for the Packers offense. Go Pack go! Thanks, Since '61
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:30 pm
Absolutely!
And we still haven't seen this team firing on all cylinders yet. Do that and they can put up 40 on anybody.
GPG!!
LeotisHarris
December 22, 2024 at 07:46 pm
Okay, fine, LH, but three things:
a) F*ck OJ
2) It's fair for our D to take whatever Spencer Rattler gives us, and go ahead and decide what they want and go take it, too. Spence is 24 years old and he's not going t know if he's foot or horseback tomorrow night. He'll start off slow and unsteady, then implode.
III, Run the damn ball.
LLCHESTY
December 22, 2024 at 10:54 pm
OJ the bus driving murderer?
Leatherhead
December 23, 2024 at 08:31 am
Bus? No. I don't know where that came from, but that applies to a lot of the stuff you say.
OJ was a Heisman winner, and overall #1 draft pick, and HOF RB. After his playing days were over, he did several things including working in the booth on MNF.
Yes, he committed a double murder and yes, he got away with it. He was eventually incarcerated for other things, and now he's dead.
LLCHESTY
December 23, 2024 at 03:47 pm
Not up on great comedy, fair enough.
egbertsouse
December 23, 2024 at 06:44 pm
We thumbs up murderers now. How about Ted Bundy? Timothy McVeigh? C’mon, thumbs up! How about a serial rapist? Yay, thumbs up for Darren Sharper!
‘’’
splitpea1
December 22, 2024 at 11:27 am
This should be a banner night for our defense. No Kamara makes life a lot easier. Rattler has been sacked 14 times in three games. No, I don't think going through the offensive script in the cafeteria freezer will help the Saints.
MVS: His catch %age is the highest it's ever been at 56% and he has four TDs. But he is also injured and is listed as questionable for the game.
If there is ever a game to put an opponent out of it's misery early and keep it that way in the second half, this one seems to fit the bill.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:36 pm
#9 was an INSTANT upgrade over MVS, in MVS' only effective role. 9's route tree was immediately better, and his catch % is too.
Between fixing his hamstring issue and working on being able to catch the ball coming straight over his head, #9 picked the right one to correct last off-season. He has not missed one play due to hamstring! Hopefully he plays catch with JL10 this off-season ...
mnbadger
December 23, 2024 at 09:05 am
yes, maybe even a second half of Malik Willis and RB2/3 & TE 2/3.
Need to to take the life out of them first.
Pack 37 - 'aints 13.
GPG!
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:16 pm
"Josh Jacobs, Tucker Kraft and Jayden Reed"
Finally somebody writes this IN THE CORRECT ORDER! Yes, these are our playmakers. In that order. After that targets go to #9 & 87, depending on the play and how it develops. Hopefully MLF focuses this way when it counts.
While everybody's already commenting about next year's draft - DRAFT A BULLY of a Center. Has Josh Myers ever played a game without injury? A C with an injured shoulder cannot be at his most effective.
DO NOT play Ja this game, we need him against the Viqueens and in the playoffs. Don't give opponents film on #85 & 88 being used together as designed either; they've played .75% of snaps together since being drafted. Keep it a surprise! Getting Luuuke back into blocking and staying on his feet after the catch would be good.
Oppy
December 22, 2024 at 12:20 pm
I agree about C, but it's apparently not a very popular opinion around these parts to suggest that C is a position the Packers should be looking to upgrade.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:27 pm
Can't make the most out of #8 and 85 without an equally dominant C. Also, this site is acting up as usual, meaning I had to edit my comment 12 times after you read it. (There's more there now)
Leatherhead
December 22, 2024 at 02:44 pm
His contract expires at the end of this season. They'll either bring him back on a second deal, or they'll go younger and cheaper, which is what I think they should, and will, do.
Myers has been a whipping boy here for people who are fixated on PFF scores and don't understand it's a team game. You don't accomplish what we've accomplished on offense this year with a guy who isn't a legitimate NFL player at Center.
Oppy
December 22, 2024 at 03:56 pm
I've been critical of Meyers because I've carefully watched him play and I'm not impressed with the quality of his blocking and occasional lapses/mental errors related to snapping the ball over the years (although I will say that the poor snaps / failure to snap / etc seems to have subsided quite a bit with Love under center. Not sure if related or just a matter of more experience.)
I more than understand it's a team game. I commented directly on the nature of line play earlier this week. There's a lot that can be covered up by your team mates along the interior of the line.. which is fine. But it also means you're not getting the most out of those other linemen who are constantly having to help pick up someone else's slack.
Is Meyers one of the 32 best centers in the league? In my estimation, maybe. If he is, it's the bottom 1/4 in my opinion. Marginal starter. Should be improved upon, unless the Packers think he's got more growing to do. I don't think he does.
Bitternotsour
December 22, 2024 at 04:10 pm
Your assessments of the limitations of the team are endlessly entertaining. Your life must be a bowl of cherries.
NickPerry
December 23, 2024 at 05:45 am
Oppy is right on the money with Meyers. His run blocking grade is 50.6 and his pass blocking is 63.1 for an overall grade on PFF of 53.7. He's ranked 41st out of 42 centers. Some teams have two centers ranked ahead of Meyers meaning that teams BACKUP is graded higher.
I understand PFF isn't the end all be all in grading players but it gives us an idea of how he performing and friend, he's not performing all that great.
Leatherhead
December 23, 2024 at 08:35 am
Those would be PFF grades, right?
He's performing well enough for us to be a top rushing offense AND a great passing offense.
I watch him. Very rarely does his man make the tackle. This idea that teams which are clearly worse than us has a backup center who is better than our starter should be rethought.
mnbadger
December 23, 2024 at 09:12 am
how many tackles does JJ have to break b4 hitting the LOS?
JM is an adequate center at best and certainly not worthy of a 2nd contract.
Yes he is tough, playing through many injuries.
IMO - that's out of fear that if he gives up his seat at the O-line table, he'll never eat in GB again and diminish his value once free agency starts.
GPG!
dobber
December 23, 2024 at 11:43 am
To my knowledge, there have been no reports of the Packers working on an extension with him.
LLCHESTY
December 23, 2024 at 04:12 pm
I don't think PFF is that great at separating average players with slightly above average or slightly below average players. What they are good at is identifying really good and really bad players. Myers this season is right on the edge of being a really bad player. He HAS gotten good pass blocking grades from them in past years and and pass 1st teams with a need at center will probably have an interest in him. The Packers are running more this year, the most by LaFleur led team for sure, and if they want to continue to do that next year they have to get better inside the tackles.
LaFleur has done a great job using various formations and people in motion to aid the running game and Jacobs has done a phenomenal job turning chicken salad out of chicken sh!t, as Wahle likes to call it. Adding one more people mover to the iOL will make everyone's job easier when it comes to running the ball. Unfortunately they missed out on a great chance to add a center in the '24 draft and let them sit for a year, it was the deepest draft at center I can remember. This year there's not nearly as many bigger center types. Hopefully they bring in some competition for Monk and if neither of them look ready to start move Jenkins or Rhyan there early in camp and let them settle in.
LLCHESTY
December 23, 2024 at 04:45 pm
So why does wanting to assign the credit to those people that deserve it(Jacobs and LaFleur) equate to being miserable in life? To me not being able to admit one is wrong is a better indication of a struggling existence.
Leatherhead
December 22, 2024 at 06:40 pm
So, if we replaced Myers with just about anybody, we'd probably be leading the league in offense, rushing and passing? Isn't that essentially what you're saying?
And how can professional coaches be so blind to what is so obvious to you?
Do you think Myers will get ANY offers in FA? I do.
Oppy
December 22, 2024 at 09:50 pm
Did Darnell Savage get an offer in FA?
Did the Packers improve at the safety position?
You would have kept Savage in Green Bay indefinitely. I mean, he was starting, so he must be a quality starter.. How could the Packers have been so blind to what was so obvious to everyone?
Leatherhead, I'm starting to quickly lose a lot of respect for your opinion with fraudulent arguments you've been pulling out of your arse in the last 24 hours. And for what? Because I question if Meyers might be a weak link on the OL that should be upgraded?
For the record, to answer your ridiculous question, and maybe rub a little bit of salt in your apparent wounds- we could replace Meyers with about 22 or 23 of the the other NFL starting Centers in the NFL and it would be an improvement. That's what I'm saying. That's because Meyers is a marginal starter at best.
Leatherhead
December 23, 2024 at 08:42 am
No, no, and no.
We replaced Savage after his contract ran out rather than pay him. Instead, we got the #1 FA Safety.
You think you upgrade the team by improving the #22 starter a little bit. I think that Myers is plenty good enough to win with, and the evidence clearly shows he is.
So if we improve at the Center position, we'll be the top offense in the league?. That's what you believe, but it's not what I believe.
This "upgrading weak links" is quite the rabbit hole, because everytime you replace a "weak link'' you create another weak link. And since these guys are only under contract for a few years, you're stuck in an endless cycle of replacing "weak links".
This isn't Lake Woebegone. We don't get to have above average players at every position. Where would you like to have our below average players lined up? Cornerback? Left Tackle? Where?
You're never going to "out-talent" the other 31 teams. They have scouts, and personnel departments, too.
Coldworld
December 23, 2024 at 09:29 am
You continually roll out this argument when borderline players are being questioned. We had years of defending Dean Lowry on the same grounds: dependability, the coaches loved him despite him not being very good over any protracted period. Like Myers, there were up days but never up seasons.
Like Lowry was, Myers is worthy of a NFL roster but was never a preferred starter caliber player. We hung on to him too long, cemented in a weakness and paid him far too much, as his subsequent career illustrated. To retain Myers as a starter would be to do the same.
Myers is a replacement level player and has never risen above that for an extended period during his tenure. If teams don’t try to get better, they likely don’t. Where do you focus those efforts? Any starter that’s at or below just adequate. Myers needs to be upgraded, particularly now we have a much more central role for the RBs.
Relying on our RBs to continue to break tackles and gain YAC at the exceptional rate seen this season is simply foolish. If they do next year, then wonderful, but how much better if that contact comes further up field. How much better if Love has an anchor in the middle not a pocket that all too often gets pushed back in the center.
A better C represents the biggest single routine source of offensive improvement we can make on this roster in the coming off season. It should be an absolute priority.
Bitternotsour
December 23, 2024 at 09:44 am
Yeah. Dean Lowry was the problem. C'mon dude. Did they play in NFL championship games with Dean Lowry? There are journeymen on every team in the NFL, you just choose to obsess over a few on the Packers. It's tedious. How does your persistent negativity improve your viewing experience. There's a youthful, growing NFL team in Green Bay. They are ascending, improving seemingly weekly, and it's a joy to watch. You seem to sit home and lose your shit over the center. Of the 4 games lost this year, which of them do you put on Myers. I'll wait.
Coldworld
December 23, 2024 at 05:01 pm
Dean Lowry was a sub par starter that set our ceiling. Not replacing him locked that in. Myers is no different. Good guys to have on a roster unless one anoints them as long term starters or pays them as such. Both represented the weakest position on their respective lines. That is something one should always be aiming to upgrade. Fishing for bogus defenses won’t cut it this far in. His record is common knowledge. Find a positive argument if you think you can.
Leatherhead
December 23, 2024 at 01:01 pm
Borderline players? These guys are STARTERS!!!! On a GOOD team!!
You suit up 45. You have 53 on the roster. You have an additional 16 on the practice squad for a total of 69 players. And you think the problem is #22 on that list.
Not #21, or #23, whoever they are in your mind. But no, we'll just decide who our weakest starter is and pick at that like it's a huge pimple that needs to be eradicated.
And yes, I'm going to rely on our RBs breaking tackles, and I'm going to rely on the offensive line to get him to the LOS clean.
You think a better Center is the #1 improvement we could make to the offense this offseason. So next year, our Oline should be even better, then. Except, of course, Steno and Butkus aren't any good, and LaFleur isn't any good either because he doesn't fire them.
Is this the way you'd manage a business....constantly looking to replace the "weak link"? Cuz I had principals like that, and they sucked. Girlfriends, too, and that sucked, too.
Whether we reach the Super Bowl this year is not dependent on Josh Myers, just like it wasn't dependent on Dean Lowry. Where would you like to have your weak link line up? QB? CB? Where?
LLCHESTY
December 23, 2024 at 04:35 pm
Girlfriends trying to replace the weak link? Wouldn't that be you?
Why can't you give credit to LaFleur for coming up with innovative ways to get misdirection on running plays? I've heard numerous ex NFL linemen mention it. Go on You Tube and watch the O Line Committee guys talk about what interesting things LaFleur is doing in the run game this year.
Or admit Jacobs is having a monster season making something out of nothing? Having to do it way too much IMO.
Your giving credit that should be directed elsewhere to an average group.
Leatherhead
December 23, 2024 at 07:03 pm
Oh, I get it: LaFleur is a genius who can get guys blocked by keeping them misdirected and confused. He doesn't actually need any 300 lb bodies to make that happen. You better check that with your buddy Coldworld, who thinks LaFleur should be fired.
Jacobs is having a monster season. It's not his first. That doesn't happen without blocking. You think he's having to do too much, Coldworld thinks that he's under utilized, and both of you think he'd do better with anybody at Center besides Josh Myers.
I, of course, think he's a top back, behind a top line, leading one of the top run games in the league.
jannesbjornson
December 23, 2024 at 06:23 pm
This is better than PERRY MASON. The default argument is irrevocably, the failure to draft Creed Humphrey. If Morgan didn't get his arm twisted off playing Inside, Jenkins could man the Center position with Morgan playing Left Guard. He has the fast feet, so maybe LaFleur is thinking Andy Reid's fast pulling guard/center combos. Get to the edge faster than the defense and open the hook zones for Kelce. Tucker Kraft will make a name for himself in the Playoffs. The best TE in the 2023 draft.
Oppy
December 23, 2024 at 04:54 pm
"We replaced Savage after his contract ran out rather than pay him. Instead, we got the #1 FA Safety"
No shit we got the #1 Safety. AND WE PAID HIM.
You can't claim the only reason the Packers moved on from Savage was because they didn't want to pay him... But they decided they'd pay a different safety to make him the third highest player at the position in the league.
It's ridiculous. They literally moved on from Savage because he wasn't that good, and they wanted to improve at the position.. which they did.
Don't be obtuse. It's not a good look.
LLCHESTY
December 23, 2024 at 04:23 pm
It's pointless trying to argue with him. He refuses to admit he's wrong even when it's obvious to everyone he is.
He argued with me repeatedly that Amari Rodgers would be the #4 WR when Doubs was a rookie because Amari was a 3rd round pick and Doubs was a 4th so Amari must be better. Then at the end of the year moved the goalposts so he didn't have to admit he was wrong. Same thing with the Lions peaking last year, now it's they haven't won the SB yet when I just said they'd win the division. They sure look pretty good for a team that peaked last year.
Bitternotsour
December 23, 2024 at 09:48 am
The professional coaches are obviously trying to tank the season. That's the only possible explanation. They aren't paying attention to PFF, they aren't grabbing the myriad numbers of better centers on practice squads across the NFL because Myers has photos of Matt LaFleur with a sheep.
Oppy
December 23, 2024 at 05:03 pm
The two of you can't be this moronic.
There's a roster limit, there's a salary cap, there's a draft, and there's a limited trade deadline. You do the best you can with what you have, you make moves when you have the opportunity. You can't address all the holes today. There's a 3-5 year window in which NFL teams are managing the long term health of their roster, and that is a extremely dynamic plan as unforeseen opportunities (or players) arise, others slip or get injured, etc and so forth.
With that said.. YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE HAND YOU'RE HOLDING. Just because a player is a starter for a period, doesn't mean the team is happy sitting pat. Even if you want to move on from a player, sometimes you're hoping a younger player already on the roster will improve and overtake that spot. Sometimes you know you're not going to be able to address it for a year or two. Sometimes you're just hoping the player gets better.
You two twits seem to think just because the team doesn't throw a guy out on his ear in the middle of a season that it's an obvious sign the coaching staff and front office are 100% satisfied with the player's performance.. You two are unbelievably naive about how personnel management works.
I'd love to say it's just because you don't work in pro sports, but this isn't even unique to pro sports. It's typical to every business that has employees.
Good gracious. Welp, I now know I'm a total clown, because I can't believe I've wasted nearly two days trying have a rational adult conversation with two people who are total clowns.
Oppy
December 23, 2024 at 05:04 pm
I think it's cute you think I even know what PFF grades are. I watch players play, because I understand football. The only reason I ever even dip into general stats is because it's the only thing you twats can relate to.
Bitternotsour
December 23, 2024 at 07:49 pm
Again, your enjoyment of football is a search for fault. Your worldview is miserable. I watch players play too. You see Malik Willis as a lesser player than the guys that were cut to have him winning games on our roster.
But your world view is one of limits, not creativity. I can't help you with that, you just don't have the capacity to see beyond your limited scope.
Oppy
December 23, 2024 at 10:57 pm
"Limited Scope" = "Actual understanding of football talent"
Go away, kid, you bore me.
Bitternotsour
December 23, 2024 at 11:16 pm
Must have stung to have Willis hold the safety in the middle of the field before he whipped that rope to Reed for 32 yards. You know nothing.
Oppy
December 24, 2024 at 05:52 am
He never looked at a 2nd receiver.
..And even if he went through 1, 2, 3, and came back to 1.. Congrats, he just did once in the last 7 years what there's some high school QBs doing on friday nights.
Long game, pal. Watch his career. You'll never admit it, but one day, you'll know.
Bitternotsour
December 24, 2024 at 09:22 am
keyboard scouts crack me up.
Oppy
December 24, 2024 at 10:44 pm
It will be fun to hear the excuses down the road.
LLCHESTY
December 22, 2024 at 10:56 pm
He's a legitimately below average center. In previous seasons his pass blocking was above average but this year that hasn't been the case.
GregC
December 22, 2024 at 12:29 pm
I didn't think Myers had many injury problems before this season. He's been playing with a wrist injury, not a shoulder injury. I don't want this to turn into another Josh Myers thread though. I'm sick of hearing about Josh Myers. With the team playing well overall, he seems to be the only whipping boy left for people to complain about.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:41 pm
Our C has been perennially injured, especially his shoulder(s). Shortest route to the QB.
GregC
December 22, 2024 at 01:26 pm
I did some googling and couldn't find anything about a shoulder injury, nor do I remember anything about a shoulder injury. Where did you read that? As a rookie in 2021, Myers missed 10 games with a knee injury. Since then he's started every game.
My take on Myers is that he is an average player, and you should always be looking to upgrade on an average player--especially when he is due for a second contract that will probably be too rich to justify keeping him around. But the Packers have won a lot of games with Myers, and he's not going to keep them from contending for a championship this season.
LLCHESTY
December 22, 2024 at 11:00 pm
He missed a game this year.
GregC
December 22, 2024 at 12:23 pm
Leatherhead pretty much covered this already, but I just want to reiterate that a patient, ball-control approach is not necessary for this game. Against the Seahawks (as well as the Dolphins) the Packers had a nice mix of runs, long passes, and short passes, and something like that would be ideal in this game as well. There should be no need to worry about keeping the Saints offense off the field for long stretches, as they are severely hobbled coming into this game. In fact, the Saints' decent red zone defense (ranked 9th) may be an added reason NOT to be patient and play ball control. How about trying to strike deep at least a couple of times and avoid the red zone altogether?
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:39 pm
You're saying #9 gets his "breakout game?" I like it!
260 yards in 4 receptions, plus a bunch more little stuff. 40-10, GB.
Leatherhead
December 22, 2024 at 07:21 pm
"""How about trying to strike deep at least a couple of times and avoid the red zone altogether?"""
That made me look it up.
We have 8 TDs from 30 yards or longer, one of them was Alexanders interception return. That means the other 35 TDs were from closer. 21 of them were from less than 10 yards. 7 of those were by passes, 14 by runs. Our longest rushing TD was Jayleen Reed for 33 The next longest TD run was 7, by Jacobs. 9 rushing TDs were 2 or fewer yards.
We had 13 TD passes from about 10-22 yards.
We had 21 TDs from 10 yards or less.
We had 8 TDs that covered more than 30 yards, including one INT and one run.
I would have thought that we score more long range TDs, but half of our TDs have been short yardage. We throw it inside the 20, but inside the 2, we keep it on the ground for the most part.
As I recall, we've completed several long passes that didn't end up in the endzone, but put us on the door step.
Coldworld
December 23, 2024 at 09:41 am
I don’t understand your reasoning here. The Saints have been hopeless against the run. Why not run them into the ground then roll out some play action and some slants and YAC opportunities to Reed when they stack the box?
One thing not bad about the Saints currently is their pass rush. Another reason to run at them often. If we can get ahead, my running back action would be spearheaded by Wilson and I’d eventually swap Melton into the slot for Reed, but other than that, this seems like a game where run first is an ideal approach given the match up and conditions.
coolhand
December 22, 2024 at 12:57 pm
I like to see Reed get the end arounds, but I would also like to see Watson get some touches as well since he was really good at running the ball in college and had some nice runs last years as well. Cold and snow is perfect for the run game and a heavy dose of Jacobs, Wilson, end arounds and screens could be deadly. I don't know much about the Saints only that their defense has been playing better lately, but we also heard that about Seattle last week and we pounded the ball downs their throats. I would like to see the same thing Monday night.
Take what the defense gives you?
I say take what you want, impose your will, and make them try to stop you!
NickPerry
December 22, 2024 at 02:20 pm
" Jordan Love will need to be happy to take the checkdown when available, letting the likes of Jacobs, Tucker Kraft and Jayden Reed, who excel at making defenders miss, do the heavy lifting."
THIS isn't a bad idea for just about any game but especially the Saints. RUN the ball, not just with Jacobs but Wilson and Brooks too. I like this Brooks kid but man I would have liked to see Llyod on the field by now. Teams have has success racking up YAC against the Saints. Get the ball in Reed and Kraft's hands and let them go. I'd also like to see Watson used on a few quick hitters to see if he can break one like he did against Philly 2 years ago.
Whatever they do, they need to just focus and get out with a W and hopefully not get caught looking forward to next week.
Packers 34 Saints 13...GPG!
ajkennedy30
December 22, 2024 at 09:18 pm
MVS already came back to lambeau last year when he played for the Chiefs