2022 Packers Stock Report: Week 12
Take a look at the stock report for the Green Bay Packers after a 40-33 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 12.
By GunnarDavis
We all knew that traveling to Philadelphia to play one of the NFL's best teams in a hostile environment would be a tall task for the Green Bay Packers.
But I don't think I was prepared for the emotional rollercoaster of a ride that game turned out to be.
The contest had more twists and turns than a pulp fiction thriller.
In the end, the result was what we all assumed it probably would be: A Packers' loss.
So let's get into the stock report for the Green Bay Packers after a 40-33 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 12.
BUY
Keisean Nixon- "I thought there were a lot of great things he did. You felt his spark as a returner," - is what Matt LaFleur said about Keisean Nixon, the guy who sat behind Amari Rodgers and watched him fumble his way through opportunities. Nixon finally has gotten his chance over the last couple games. He made the most of it on Sunday, posting returns of 53, 52 and 38 yards. Nixon has played well on occasion defensively, but his presence was felt on special teams. Nice to finally be excited about a return-man.
Christian Watson- Six touchdown catches in three games is quite a stat for Christian Watson, who now has more receiving touchdowns on the season than the likes of DK Metcalf, Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill and CeDee Lamb. We all knew Watson had crazy athleticism and potential, but injuries and a few drops plagued him early on. We're watching him get more and more confident in each game, which is only going to be a positive thing for this organization's future. Buy.
SELL
Anyone trying to stop the run- Seriously, this was one of the worst defensive performances I've ever seen from the Green Bay Packers (which is really saying something because we've seen some stinkers over the last 10 years). The Eagles rushed for 363 yards, which was the third-most rushing yards ever allowed in a game by a Packers defense in franchise history. The unit gave up over 100 yards on the ground to Jalen Hurts (a quarterback) in the FIRST QUARTER. This was supposed to be the organization's best defense since the team from Titletown won a Super Bowl in 2010. It's far from that.
Joe Barry- Just take everything I said about the run defense and apply it here. Thank you.
Adrian Amos- There are a lot of things wrong with this defense. Coaching, injuries and players regressing all play a factor. One of those players who has regressed significantly is Adrian Amos, which has been a surprise considering how solid he was during his first three years in Green Bay. Amos and Darnell Savage have been one of the worst back-end duos in the league this season. Getting caught flat-footed, poor tackling and missed assignments have plagued Amos this season. Sell.
HOLD
Jordan Love- Man, I was really excited to see Jordan Love rip it around the field on Sunday night. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but what we saw gives me a little hope for the future. When we'll see him next, who knows? According to Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee Show, he's been cleared and he's going to keep playing until they're mathematically eliminated (at least). So the Love show is on hold for now.
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Gunnar Davis is a lifelong Packers fan and a recent graduate of Simpson College, where he was a 3-year letterwinner on the offensive line and graduated with a degree in multimedia communications. You can follow him on Twitter at @Gunnar57Davis.
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Comments (51)
PackyCheese500
November 30, 2022 at 12:13 pm
Buy:
Josiah Deguara - he had some really nice blocks that helped set up big running plays
More time for Love - What else do you want him to do before he can prove he can start? We will never know if he can be a good QB if we don't give him a chance to show if he can be a good QB. The Packers must decide about his 5th yeear option, so Love should be starting on Sunday, not Rodgers.
Kingsley Enagbare - for a 5th round rookie, Enagbare has been incredible. He was one of the few bright spots on defense for the Packers, in my opinion, and made some nice plays.
Sell:
Matt LaFleur - I like MLF as a play-caller, but he is not a good enough leader to be a HC. What really did it for me was when he vigorously defended Joe Barry right after the defense surrendered nearly 500(!) yards in an uninspiring performance against the Eagles. Look here: https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/lafleur-sticking-with-barry-to-run-o...
Robert Tonyan - I don't know if he will ever return to his 2020 form. The Packers should probably just let him walk in the offseason.
Allen Lazard - After starting off the year well, Lazard has taken a back seat in the past few weeks, partially because of the emergence of Christian Watson. I don't see him separate much on his routes.
Hold:
Love Hype - I think it is a bit premature to call Love the Packers' 3rd HOF QB. Such hype needs to be justified, but, as I said above, we won't know unless Love actually plays.
Untylu1968
November 30, 2022 at 12:42 pm
I don't recall ever hearing Love, referred to as the next HOF packers QB, just as nobody was crowning Rodgers, the next after his third year in the league. I knew people that quit cheering on the packers, after the Favre, to Rodgers baton was passed on, but it all worked out. The end is closing in on Rodgers, whether we can or want too accept the fact. With a high draft pick on its way, we need to know what we have in Love, and there's only one way to know. Feelings and pride be dammed..
coolhand
November 30, 2022 at 12:15 pm
I hope even with a Packer win over the Bears on Sunday, we ARE mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and MLF has big enough balls to sit 12 and play Love.
But I'm not holding my breath
Leatherhead
November 30, 2022 at 12:25 pm
Buy: All the young players on their rookie deal. Love, Dillon, Deguara, Watson, Doubs, Toure, Tom, Runyan, Newman, Hanson, Walker,C Jones, Rhyan, Wyatt, Slaton, Enagbare, QWalker, Stokes,
Sell or Trade: Expensive old vets. Bakhtiari, Lowry, Amos,
Hold: Our core vets: Lazard, Jenkins, AJones, Nijman, Clark, Campbell, Savage, Alexander. Hold Nixon/Ford.
We're 4-8. Only one Packer team in 30 years hasn't won at least 6 games, and we'll need to go 2-3 to achieve that. Doable, but not a given. But if we bring back the people I mentioned, and add some people in the draft, we can be right back in the mix again next year. The 4-12 team in 2005 was in the Championship Game in 2007.
Johnblood27
November 30, 2022 at 02:39 pm
whoa there LH...
Hold Savage??? no Freakin way! I want the team to progress, not sit and spin. Savage has had his chances, now drafting a good young Safety is one of the top 3 priorities for the GBP.
Drop savage like a hot potato!
...and oh, by the way, what in the hell are you thinking including Newman and hanson in the keeper category? They have also had plenty of time and opportunities to show their worth... and they have! Let 'em GO!!!
Leatherhead
November 30, 2022 at 02:49 pm
I reject the notion that we should just throw away people that are under contract because they aren't "good enough" to meet your standards. Every single player that we have under contract that we release is a guy that we'll have to replace, probably with a UDFA who isn't any better.
Savage is a case in point. He's definitely one of the 5 best safeties we have under contract right now. When we have 5 guys as good or better, that's one thing. But throwing away starters, and guys on the gameday roster, just to replace them with some UDFA doesn't strike me as a very effective way of improving.
Likewise, Newman and Hanson. We carry 9 OL . Not including Bakhtiari, this is what we have: Jenkins and Nijman are both FAs. Then we've got Runyan, Tom, Myers, Rhyan. Hanson, Newman, Walker, CJones. That's 8 under contract and 2 FAs., two of which have never played a snap in a game. So let's go ahead and get rid of two cheap guys who know the playbook and have actually played well enough for us to win games in the past, and then we'll have more holes to fill. You couldn't make a hotdog stand work like that.
IMO, better to trade Bakhtiari, resign Jenkins and Nijman , and draft somebody who we think can beat out Newman and/or Hanson. If they aren't good enough to make the team after an offseason and training camp, that's the appropriate time to release them. .Not now, not after the season.
Johnblood27
November 30, 2022 at 03:23 pm
the gbp (not we) will have 93-ish players in TC next year.
That is when I see dumping the dead wood.
not just cutting guys free tomorrow.
Leatherhead
November 30, 2022 at 06:31 pm
We always start with around 90, and including the 16 on the practice squad, we'll cut that 90 down to 69. Some of the 21 will be injured.
If you take the 46 active guys, subtract the guys which we will lose in FA or trade or who'll retire (Rodgers, Bakhtiari, Jones, Nijman,Tonyan, Jenkins, Lazard, Watkins, Lewis Cobb, Lowry, Amos, Ford, Nixon), that leaves us with a core of about 30 guys.. A couple of them might be guys who were inactive this year.
But now, let's starting throwing in the "dead wood". Savage, Hanson, Newman, etc. Do you get my point? Throwing away perfect usable bodies is not a good strategy.
Make the 90 as strong as you can, trim it to 69, put 16 on the practice squad, put 53 on the roster, activate 46 on gameday, start 25 of them. Those are the guys that matter the most. So you go from 90 to 25, but then you need another 25 or so guys to fill out your roster, and another 16 on the practice squad.
Way too many slots to fill, way too early. If you've got a guy under a rookie contract, and he's working out and practicing and suiting up, that's not something you throw away without a pretty compelling reason.
13TimeChamps
November 30, 2022 at 07:57 pm
"Throwing away perfect usable bodies is not a good strategy."
"Perfect usable bodies". An interesting comment. What exactly makes them "perfect"? Was Amari Rodgers a perfect usable body? Jace Sternberger? Oren Burks? Josh Jackson?
Bad draft picks. Every team has them. But most don't keep them and replace them with usable bodies who actually contribute as opposed to them being "usable". I really have no idea what that even means.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 08:00 pm
Don't get me started...
PackyCheese500
November 30, 2022 at 10:09 pm
I would like to see Hanson let go, Newman cut and Savage traded (for beans, if even that). We can draft replacements and sign UDFAs
Johnblood27
December 01, 2022 at 10:44 am
there are routinely 12-20 new faces on the 53 each year what with drafting, UDFA and acquisitions.
what I am saying, but not getting across I guess, is that there absolutely has to be players better than the ones I listed out there. Bring them in and get rid of the guys who have proven that they are not up to NFL level competition.
what is there to lose? the guys I advocate dumping have ALREADY proven that they cannot compete on a winning level in the NFL. Give someone else a chance.
That is what I am saying, and that type of open-minded strategy is what can build winning teams.
PackAttack4155
November 30, 2022 at 07:12 pm
I disagree on your point about Savage. With the cap hit he's going to have next season, if he isn't one of the best two safeties on the roster, he shouldn't be on it. I'm not suggesting anyone on the roster is ready, and able, to replace him, but Ford, and Nixon have been good off the street. Carpenter could develop. Free agency, and the draft could find someone better, or their abilities are more worth the price. There are big time cap issues next season, trading an expensive, and regressing player would help. Exercising his fifth-year option makes his 2023 contract guaranteed, they can't release him. A trade would at least get something back.
Coldworld
November 30, 2022 at 07:26 pm
My one thought on Savage is whether it’s Barry and how he’s being used. I’d hate to give up on a player only to find he looks like the guy he appeared to be becoming under Pettine. I would now prefer to see what happens under a new regime.
PackAttack4155
November 30, 2022 at 07:50 pm
That's a fair point. He could regain form in a different scheme. What would you say is Barry's biggest weakness, as DC? I say its the lack of aggressive play-calling with DBs always so many yards off the line, no matter the down, or yards to gain. Do you think Savage's poor play, and tackling is a result of the play-calling?
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 07:58 pm
Carpenter is a SS, special teams ace. Ford and Keisean have both out-played the guy. Savage gave up a couple key pass completions during the NFCCH let down @ Lambeau. He has not played to his selection status and now demonstrates an almost complete indifference to executing his responsibilities and playing as a Pro. Thornhill was there in the 2nd round. Gutedkunst hangs on to his whiff and now extends the guy. The accountants will have to eat the bonus money for services not rendered. If he is on the roster 2023, the fans might as well spend the weekends fishing. He was a cover guy @ Maryland, but he proved to be clueless in the slot. Not a football player. His running mate was a better safety.
jlc1
December 01, 2022 at 08:55 am
I think the problem with your Savage argument is that he is one of the top 5 so that is an indictment of the talent there. Which leads to the good point about replacement. How much worse does he need to be to not think there is someone better?
PackyCheese500
November 30, 2022 at 10:08 pm
I don't know about next year. I think next year, we should trade or cut anyone who doesn't have a long term future in GB, absorb all of the big cap hits and explore the young players.
That will free up the '24 cap by a lot, so we can then make contending moves and re-establish ourselves then. Just like what the Bears and Bills have been doing. Trading away all of their older players with big contracts so they can build from the ground up and have cap flexibility.
splitpea1
November 30, 2022 at 12:32 pm
Buy: Ford and Nixon. Watson: I was having my doubts about his ability to stay on the field and hang on to the ball, but what a weapon he's turned out to be.
Hold: Walker: Speaking of roller coasters....you never know what you're going to get from him, but the one thing he'd better improve upon in a hurry is his tackling.
Sell: Starting Rodgers against the Bears, even though we're not technically eliminated yet. I haven't missed a game in over 30 years, but I'm really struggling to find a reason to watch this one. Other then Love, the Packers pretty much know what they have: a team with bad coaching and many veterans who aren't performing up to expectations. Those two Rodgers INTs vs. the Eagles were terrible decisions on his part, and I would argue that the risk/reward of starting Love is well worth it--particularly vs. a crummy defense like the Bears.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 08:04 pm
I will make an endless point. Watson should have been the #22 and save the two picks. He will prove to be the best WR from this draft class.
JoePack1212
November 30, 2022 at 12:36 pm
This Team needs Hope and Accountability!!!! AR playing against the Bears is going to be interesting. If the Team loses this one then some Heads really need to roll!!!! You have a Quarterback sitting in the Wings whose been very Patient in waiting his turn. I guess he may have to wait at least a couple more games I hope. I also hope that EVERY PLAYER on this Disgustingly Pathetic Team get some Pride back!!!! You're letting other Teams make you look STUPID and your Coaches even MORE STUPID!!!! Its doubtful that we'll make the Playoffs this Year even with a weak NFC. Every Member of this Pretender Team NEEDS to look at themselves in the Mirror and face the Fact that they turned from a Super Bowl Contender or at least a Playoff Team into a BUNCH OF FOOLS in a Green Bay Packers Uniform!!!!! The way you have been playing including AR is an EMBARRASSMENT to the Organization and more importantly the FANS!!!!!! You look worse than some of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s Teams especially in trying to stop the RUN!!!!! If you have any PRIDE in YOURSELF or this GREAT ORGANIZATION THAT YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAY FOR YOU NEED TO START BRINGING IT EVERY WEEK, "NO MORE EXCUSES" AND NO MORE WIMPY PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duneslick
November 30, 2022 at 01:55 pm
Dont hold back tell us what you really think and feel
LeotisHarris
November 30, 2022 at 04:21 pm
The exclamation point abuse, ALL-CAPS overuse, quotation mark misuse, and random capitalization makes me wonder if stockholder dipped a bit too deep into the anabolic steroids again.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 08:21 pm
In any case, I agree.
Tundraboy
December 01, 2022 at 07:30 am
It had to be said!
LambeauPlain
November 30, 2022 at 12:40 pm
Bye - Joe Barry, as in "buh-bye".
Sell - Mark Murphy, the author of "management by committee" for a previously successful NFL franchise. The team's management is soaked with hubris. Hubris often precedes the fall. What a bureaucratic dumpster fire. I actually long for the days of TT.
Fortunately CH colleagues, the trip from worst to first in the NFL is a short journey.
And as we know, so is the opposite.
PackAttack4155
November 30, 2022 at 07:54 pm
I think your sell is the biggest issue facing the franchise. The "committee" isn't working.
stockholder
November 30, 2022 at 12:43 pm
Buy- Watson, Nixon were good choices.
Sell - Amos and Barry.- Rushing only Lowrey and Reed from the DL Sucks! And Barry should be fired for it!
Hold- Myers effort. He doesn't listen. Letting the DL get set was stupid.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 03:02 pm
Maybe Meyers needs to be moved to Guard. The kid from the Gophers is a solid Center to look at in the draft.
HawkPacker
November 30, 2022 at 04:27 pm
They could have taken Creed Humphries in the draft but passed for Myers.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 07:43 pm
Gutey ball.
T7Steve
November 30, 2022 at 01:27 pm
Buy: 0, Sell: 0, Hold: The GBPs till they beat the BEARS!
You guys and this article have filled in the rest for now. Thanks!
WestCoastPackerBacker
November 30, 2022 at 01:58 pm
test post
jhtobias
November 30, 2022 at 02:24 pm
Question do people actually believe it is lafluers choice if Rodgers plays or not? I'm sure Rodgers and the two stooges Murphy And Gute make that decision.
I will hold Lafluer accountable for hanging on to Joe Barry which is an unforgivable mistake and is grounds for being canned.
He is soft he is a play caller not a head coach. They have a real head coach on this team bisscai demote lafluer to oc . Of course the stooges murphy and gute think they can do no wrong
Soft ass team this
splitpea1
November 30, 2022 at 02:25 pm
And I forgot another Sell: Rhyan. Even by our third-round standards this was a terrible selection. Zero offensive and one ST snap all season? Geezus! To be fair, most of the so-called draft experts overestimated him, but that includes our esteemed GM. Bleacher Report came the closest: "High-level developmental prospect, 5th round."
LambeauPlain
November 30, 2022 at 02:35 pm
And he has been suspended for the rest of the year without pay for taking the illegal "juice".
13TimeChamps
November 30, 2022 at 03:02 pm
Even juiced up on PEDs, he still couldn't get any playing time. Pretty telling.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2022 at 08:26 pm
Should have stayed at UCLA for another year. A developmental prospect at RT.
BirdDogUni
November 30, 2022 at 09:55 pm
In other words, a terrible %'in pick...
Tundraboy
December 01, 2022 at 07:33 am
Lmao. Our 3rd round ....
Lphill
November 30, 2022 at 02:33 pm
its just embarrassing now that Barry is not fired .
BirdDogUni
November 30, 2022 at 09:57 pm
Oh, IDK... I think it's kind of smart if we want to pick 5 - 8th... Fire him and we probably win 4 of the last 5 games. Keep him and we won't.
Swisch
November 30, 2022 at 05:23 pm
Wouldn't it be a lot more fun to watch the Packers final five games if Love started at quarterback and Barry was fired as defensive coordinator?
LeotisHarris
November 30, 2022 at 06:03 pm
I think the idea of it sounds like more fun, especially watching Love play. In reality, it would probably be like wetting your pants; initial relief and a nice warm feeling followed immediately by embarrassment and cold discomfort.
I'd pay to see Barry perp-walked out of 1265.
Starrbrite
November 30, 2022 at 07:23 pm
Perp-walked out of Lambeau—-cracked me up.
Leatherhead
November 30, 2022 at 06:34 pm
I have a question about our DC, Barry. Wasn't his arrival cheered ? How many DCs have we had under LaFleur? I'm thinking 3 now. Is that right?
Starrbrite
November 30, 2022 at 07:24 pm
Most of us (including you —I think?), were not cheering the Barry hire.
PackAttack4155
November 30, 2022 at 07:30 pm
I don't think anyone, besides LaFleur, was cheering for the Barry hire. His resumé was awful, and its only gotten worse. Only two DCs, so far, in Pettine, and Barry. Could be four by the start of next season, with a possible interim, and new hire in the offseason.
LeotisHarris
November 30, 2022 at 08:00 pm
Just two DCs, LH; Pettine and Barry. I recall widespread disappointment in Barry's hire. The first offer went to Jimmy Leonhard and he turned it down.
BirdDogUni
November 30, 2022 at 09:58 pm
I think most warned he sucked in Detroit and most couldn't believe he was the choice IIRC.
I was hopeful, but obviously that hope was misplaced.
SinceLombardi
November 30, 2022 at 10:58 pm
Besides his wife and kids, nobody cheered Barry’s hiring.
Look what Wink Martindale did for the NYG this year.. in the playoff picture with no real offense and many injuries.