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zoellner25's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:42 am

CM3 should get a good, he was everywhere last night. The defense as a whole should be good, only allowing 13 pts.

Bad+Ugly (+several more adjectives I can't use here) = Arod and MM

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:52 am

"The defense as a whole should be good, only allowing 13 pts."

Agreed. If your defense is holding an opponent to 13 points you should be winning those games about 95% of the time.

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FrozenTundra's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:44 pm

Add TT to the bad and ugly. It's bad when your offense is giving up almost as many points as your defense. Against Arizona 14 points came off the offense. 7 against Minn. Somewhere Cow is smiling and saying 'I told you so'.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:01 am

I think it is a real debate between McCarthy and #12 at Ugly right now, if you can pick only one. Granted, half the league would still take #12 over what they have, but his head is not in the right place.

I heard or saw someone comment recently that the Packers need to pick the best TE or WR available in the draft. That may be the way to go but I'd be sorely tempted to take a quality OL prospect because #12 clearly has not been able to deal with playing behind an OL that was pretty average (at best) this year. Granted, the OL play suffered with the injuries, but I also don't believe Bulaga will ever again have a season where he is 90% for 16 games.

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D.D.Driver's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:55 am

Joe Thomas wants out of Cleveland.

Just saying.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:14 am

I would LOVE it if TT would trade Bakh and a draft pick for Joe Thomas. I'll start holding my breath in 5, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3.......

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:00 pm

Would still need Bakh as a backup, unless you want to continue the Don Barclay experiment.

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Norm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:00 pm

1. Joe Thomas does not want out of Cleveland.
2. If we did somehow manage to acquire him, there would be no need for a backup as not only has Joe never missed a game in his career, he has never missed a snap. That's right, not a single offensive snap in nine seasons. Nor has he ever missed a Pro Bowl. Unfortunately he has never seen the playoffs either.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 05, 2016 at 03:23 am

We saw against Vikings how good Bakh is. And you are doubtful....

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

January 07, 2016 at 12:46 pm

MarkinMadison, I would give our #1 next year for Joe Thomas. I suggested going after him earlier in the year, because Cleveland was shopping him around. I got shot down for that. The problem is Joe Thomas doesn't want out of Cleveland.LVT

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:29 am

If I believed in reading attitudes and moods from a TV screen (I don't) I would say AR has seemed detached all year.

If i believed in team "chemistry" (whatever that is) I would say something happened to this team immediately before or during the bye. As nebulous as it sounds, they have played like guys who don't like each other since then.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:54 am

I agree with you on the bye week observation.

"If I believed in reading attitudes and moods from a TV screen (I don't) I would say AR has seemed detached all year." is more than reading from a TV screen. A lot of times you can hear it in interviews or read something between the lines. 'Detached' is a compliment I think. "Disinterested" would be a better one IMHO. I do think he is seeing it as a chore to be there every week, and he'd rather be someplace else.

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WinUSA's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:38 pm

Hey...be glad the guy only thinks of it as a "chore"...after the beating he took in AZ and Denver....we should be damn glad he doesn't think of it as a curse....that offensive line has been the biggest disappointment this year more than any other part of the team...regardless of whether they suffered injuries or not... I wouldn't ever want to sit there and know frequently you are going to get blindsided by a 300 plus DL guy running at 22 mph without mercy!

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Razer's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:41 pm

The team was sinking before the bye, hanging on to win some unnecessarily close games. As soon as teams saw enough tape on the 2015 Packers and played man-to-man press coverage the game was up. Injuries and weak coaching took care of the rest.

As for Rodgers and his 'disinterest', I will put it down to having to answer the same questions week-in week-out. How do you dance around the question why your high powered offense is sputtering without saying the WRs are pedestrian, the TE is slow, the O-line is suspect and the RBs inconsistent. Oh, and I have been awful these last two months. He knows that these Packers are dead men walking unless the defense can come up with some points.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:13 pm

That makes a lot of sense. Something makes me feel like maybe Devante Adams was involved.

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Big T's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:11 am

I do hope we win a playoff game, however, If one is honest, he has to admit the Packers do not deserve to be in the playoffs. I also have to throw in the mix here that Archie and I have been saying for years that TT and MM are posers and will not take this team anywhere.

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:08 am

I knew it! You and Archie are lovers! Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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murphy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:24 am

What makes a team not "deserve" to be in the playoffs?

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:52 am

Corey: I'm sorry, but CHTV needs closer comment moderation. Three vulgar, classless "people"; cow, Archie, and Big T, have been allowed to spew their venom for years. Their comments contribute nothing to the conversation. Their lack of any sembalance of decency is only a detriment to the best Packers cite on the web.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:57 am

"If one is honest, he has to admit the Packers do not deserve to be in the playoffs" - I disagree. They won 10 games. Fact is, the NFC has a few really bad teams, and the Packers are among the 6 best teams. But nobody else below 6 in the NFC is better than the Packers. Plain and simple. And the 6 best teams play in January.
That doesn't mean the Packers are a good team right now. It just means that there are at least 10 NFC teams who are worse.
If you don't agree, then please tell me what team of the NFC who is not in the playoffs should be instead of the Packers?

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WinUSA's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:43 pm

In all honestly the Packers are a mediocre team now...without the miracle in Motown they would be at 9 and 7. Sure you can say that they could have won a game or two....but they didn't.... I don't know what the tie breaker would be....they would have had the same record as Washington...they still would have made the playoffs....I guess we will find out soon enough just where they stand.

GO PACKERS!

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 05, 2016 at 06:41 am

You are correct, but "without the miracle in Motown they would be at 9 and 7. Sure you can say that they could have won a game or two" that argument goes both ways. Had Crosby not shanked that FG against the Lions they'd be 11-5. Or had Rodgers thrown a better ball at the end against the Bears... Could even be 12-4... Or, had there been no Motown miracle, and had Randall not deflected that ball against the Chargers they could be 8-8... All teams could say things like that. They are 10-6 and are in.
My argument is, there is no better team in the NFC that was left out of the playoffs and should've been in instead of the Packers. And I don't think anybody could honestly name any. At the moment, speaks more about the mediocrity of the NFC than the strength of the Packers. And you are right, we will soon find out where they stand.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:03 pm

"TT and MM are posers and will not take this team anywhere."

They already won a SB under TT and MM. What, exactly, is your definition of "anywhere"?

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dschwalm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:00 pm

I am with you, Big T, especially after that Seattle game last year. What McCarthy did / didn't do was unconscionable for ANY coach, not just an NFL coach. What a "duh Yah er". It has long been a frustration for me. Without Favre and Rodgers, these two would have been exposed 3 years ago. Finally, now the media outlets are hanging a lot of blame on those two, saying what many of us on these sites have been saying for years.
But, as we know, the fans and media will not force Murphy's hand. If Murphy holds on to these 2, he, too will be exposed when Rodgers either retires or gets maimed by the weak O-Line. Didn't MM say this is the best O-Line he has had? If that's the case, TT should be nailed for not drafting or developing anybody when injuries hit. There are a number of teams who have survived with more injuries than the Packers.

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CallingIt's picture

January 05, 2016 at 06:36 pm

dsch, pretty strong statements. I'm not going to go butting heads with you here but a few thoughts for you to consider.
1. Consistancy
2. Outlier (as in abnormality)
3. Copycatting

First, the consistancy of the team for many years. No one is saying we have been dominant. That just isn't true. Neither would I suggest that GB has been anything near a 'Dynasty'. Simply, consistantly good. It may not meet our desire for a Dynasty franchise again, but its a good site better than most other franchises in the NFL. I think the coach you are wishing we had is a once in a generation type of guy. Lombardi's don't come along very often, but when you get one, what a sweet run it is. We all miss those kind of results, year after year after year. No one will argue, MM is an equal to Vince. At least no one I would listen to. Ask Detroit if they would trade a 1st round pick to have MM and I bet you get one without a blink. Who would I bring in as MM's replacement? Can't think of too many guys out there that would be an improvement to the level you are looking for. At least that any team would be willing to give up.

Second, this season is an outlier. It is an aberration outside the norm. We are playing 4 rookies from this past year's draft every week and it would be 5 if Ty-M was healthy. That's not a bad draft at all. With the loss of Jordy, Ty, both starting OT's and Center at different points in the season, it's been tough. A-Rod is not having his best season for sure, but other things factor into that as well. Remember when everyone ran 2 deep coverage because we couldn't run the ball, now they stack the box. When we are healthy, we are one of the most prolific teams there are and the D is getting better. On the broad amount of data collected the past few years, this year is an aberration and not a good sample to base a organizational wide decision on the two most influential men on your team.

Third, if you look at the best and 'most' consistent teams in the NFL today, the all follow the same basic principles as TT. Not entirely and to varying degrees but Draft and Develop are the dominant strategy of each. Would I look more to FA that TT, probably. But I won't begin to claim I have the level of player evaluation that he has. No way. Also, it would be wrong to propose that TT is Draft and Develop only, we do have three FA members on this team right now contributing every week in Jones, Guion and Peppers. There may not be as many as we might like, but then again, when was the last time we blew a ton of cash on a FA that never delivered on hype?

Well, continue to chew on TT and MM as you like but for me, why change just to change when there is no one better out there to change to. Remember, it's the players who play, not the coach or the GM. If you don't like the way they are playing, how about you call for them to get chopped instead?

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zoellner25's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:25 am

ARod finished reg season ranked 17th in passing yards, 25th in yds per game, 30th in yds per attempt, 10th in TDs, 15th in QB rating, and 26th in comp %. Those aren't top 5 numbers folks. I think he's been hurt this whole time and they've hidden it. Took too many hits this year.

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jbromusic's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:37 am

i definitely think he's been playing injured for most of the season and we'll find out about it after we lose to the redskins next week. i wouldn't be surprised if he has to have some kind of shoulder or arm surgery this offseason

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packsmack's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:05 am

He threw a football 100 yards against Detroit. He's not hurt.

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zoellner25's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:13 am

That was about a month ago

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jbromusic's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:25 am

we shall see.........

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:53 am

The missed TD at the end was a mental error, not a physical one. There were others. Everyone is injured to some degree, but I don't think that is what the core problem is here. Honestly, I thought the receiving group as a whole last night played the best they had all season.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:05 pm

I very much doubt that. There actually are NFL penalties for teams not putting injured players on injury reports. And Rodgers has hardly been on weekly injury reports this season. And we've had 16 players this week for instance on it.
And looking at the throws, he still can make those. He had a few very good ones yesterday, and in games before. But just not consistently. I would think the problem is more mental than physical. Otherwise, how could you explain that monster throw in Detroit? Or the excellent throw to JJones last night where JJ caught it on the sideline before stepping out? Perfect throw, and one very few QBs can make. He just can't make those consistently anymore. That throw on the rhodes INT was brutal to watch, but it certainly was not caused by a physical problem. He needed to throw it 5 yards further to the left, that's all. Either it's all mental, or we are seeing the beginning of a physical decline overall. After all, he is 32 already. But not specifically related to a serious injury this year. I simply don't believe he wouldn't be on the injury report week in and week out then.

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dschwalm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:05 pm

The only thing that's hurt on Rodgers is his attitude. I actually think he wants out of GB. He and MM have been at odds for a year and a half.

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MikeHoncho's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:11 pm

Why do people keep thinking he is hurt? He is not hurt. He runs around fine, he threw a ridiculous hail mary so his arm is just fine. Stop making excuses for the guy. He has regressed this year. Plain and simple.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 05, 2016 at 08:05 am

No excuses. Reality. This is what happens when the O line is awful and the WRs are as well. Add to it the play calling shuffle and is it really that shocking he has had a bad year. Yes we all expected him to overcome all of this because he is Rodgers but he is human.

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WinUSA's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:48 pm

wow..if those stats are correct... I totally agree with your assesment...who wouldn't have the yips (I hate that damn word ever since Andersen used if for Stave) but it sure is accurate for what Rodgers has....I guess anybody would be the same with the crushing blows he has taken this year!

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Bearmeat's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:40 am

Ugly: The 2015 Green Bay Packers offense as a whole.

Go anyone but the Vikings, Seahawks, and Pats in the playoffs. And I hate that I am reduced to that.

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murphy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:41 am

I'm hoping for a post-season miracle, but if the Packers roll over and die next weekend I'll probably cheer for the Redskins and whoever is playing the Hawks/Vikings in the divisional round. If the Packers are out then I couldn't care less if the Pats win it all again, but they have face-planted their way into the playoffs almost as efficiently as the Pack.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:06 pm

Vikings season will be over next week...
Seahawks will hopefully be stopped by Carolina.
Pats might win it all in the AFC. I don't see a better team there.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:48 am

Good -
Defense

Bad-
Offense

Ugly-
Offensive Coaches

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ray nichkee's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:52 am

I would not put sitton in the bad category. He was the ultimate pro and switched positions and admits hes a guard not a tackle. He was probably better than barclay. What i dont understand is having 3RB, 2FB, and 3 TE, where was the extra protection? It was there in years past but not this year. I think that is the reason AR is getting creamed or running around to save his life instead of making the plays we are used to seeing.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 05, 2016 at 08:09 am

Yes where has that protection been. Strange year.

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4thand10's picture

January 08, 2016 at 11:28 am

Ray....Amen...you hit it right on the head!!

"What i dont understand is having 3RB, 2FB, and 3 TE, where was the extra protection? It was there in years past but not this year."

^^^^This X's 100

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daveh's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:12 am

Ugly Bad..MM, he seem to Panic. I agree with BigT, the Packers is not a playoff worthy team. When they lose to Wash, what will there draft position be.. Ps Rodgers dictates play calling..

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CallingIt's picture

January 06, 2016 at 01:04 pm

daveh, if we lose to DC, the worst pick we could get is #22, the best is #21. If the Texans lose, they get #21, we get #22, if they win we get #21.

If we win the first round but lose the second, again, it depends on whether the Texans made it out of the first round or not. If they didn',t we get pick #25, if they do and lose in the second round, we get #26, if they win in the second round, we get #25.

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guzzi2000's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:45 am

What's next? Rodgers isn't content with a life long Packer? It's time for MM and company to move on.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:10 pm

Well there will be a team in Los Angeles soon... May be better fitting for his life style that he wants to have I think.
In all seriousness, if the Packers could get an elite OT and a couple of 1st rounders then I'd say trade him. I know that certainly won't be popular, but at the moment a journeyman QB would play just as well.

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dschwalm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:10 pm

I agree with you PP, but as a GM, I would want to wait one more season before I considered that option. Next season, he will have challenges as well. What happens if another one of the regular receivers goes down? Will he have the same problems. I suspect he will.

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January 04, 2016 at 05:17 pm

I caught a Dallas game earlier in the season. It struck me how Rodgers-like Cassell was playing. For whatever reason, Aaron Rodgers was bad this year.

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GoldenRetriever's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:32 pm

I believe that Rodgers would rather be playing in California, too. Everyone piles on when Olivia Munn is mentioned, but don't try and tell me that she is enamored of living in Green Bay for 4-5 months out of the year. It is inevitable that she would strongly influence Rodgers' feelings about playing here to the end of his career.

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January 05, 2016 at 06:54 am

I don't think OM is the only reason for that. He is from California, his whole family is there, and yes now also his girlfriend. Heck, I moved to the Carolinas for my wife, and we could've make it work with only a short 2 hrs flight between us, but it simply was better to move for a lot of reasons.

But beyond that, I think he comes to the realization that there is more than football. He has won all there is to win. SB, MVP, SB MVP. And he is 32, and no matter how you twist it, the writing that it will be over in a few short years is on the wall already. May even be 5 or 6, but latest by then he'll be done. And he may walk away before that, since it may not be worth taking bigger and bigger shots and not being able to walk anymore...
And I believe he simply thinks that he can lay the foundation for doing something else after football, as he is a smart guy. And if he does, I sure am thinking that he feels CA is a better place to do that than Green Bay.

And I understand all that. No problem. That's why I think if the Packers are smart, they'd avoid a 2nd debacle with a HOF QB and prepare for getting some cornerstone player(s) and/or draft picks as long as they still can. I sure hope those conversations take place behind closed doors, with and without him.

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guzzi2000's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:47 am

Sorry should have said being a life long Packer

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Tarynfor12's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:48 am

This team is sitting all alone in a room as they deserve no company since they have shown to have no equal.

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Curry Rambeau's picture

January 04, 2016 at 03:31 pm

Yes. Like "Packer People" they are unique, special and blessed. They aren't evil like Belichick's Patriots or Payton's thug Saints, or the pigtailed child beaters of Minnesota.

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:57 am

I agree with the Good but I need to add the entire defense. They gave up 13 points at home and played well enough to win. They deserved a better fate. I cannot agree with Bad for Josh Sitton. He made an effort and took one for the team. Also, I disagree on Cobb. Yes, he dropped a couple of passes but he also made second and third efforts to make first downs which kept drives alive. MM gets a bad. I'm not sure why he used Sitton at LT resulting in 2 OL positions with untried players. My guess is that he didn't use Tretter at LT because if Linsley went down he would need to move Tretter to Center and find a LT mid-game without have practiced during the week. The UGLY: Penalties and turnovers. Rodgers end zone pick makes no sense to me. This is the second consecutive week where Rodgers has thrown a pick in the end zone at a critical point in the game. This offense just cannot recover from those types of mistakes. The weapons are not there to make up for it as in the past. Many here have posted that there is enough talent on this team to win. That is true when the team is healthy. With the OL playing hurt and the loss of Jordy and TY Montgomery, plus injuries to Lacy this team does not have enough talent on offense to win. Neither Adams or Jones are #1 or #2 receivers. They are 3s and 4s at best. Plus there is no TE. OL hurt, Lacy hurt, that leaves Rodgers and Cobb playing behind a broken OL. Can't win that way. Rodgers has been pummeled for several games since the bye and is probably playing hurt as well. We can blame MM, TT, AR and whoever else we want but none of that is going to put healthy players on the field. You want to blame TT for the depth, OK. but who are willing to give up to sign expensive backups in the FA era? Should he have let Cobb go in FA to sign who as a backup OL? Should he not have re-signed Bulaga? or Daniels? Signing FAs is like play calling. It is judged through the lens of the results on the field. If this team were going into the playoffs playing well everyone would be saying best roster in the NFL. Now all of a sudden we need more FAs and better draft picks. OK, try it with the 24th pick or higher every year. Or don't resign Daniels, or Cobb or Bulaga or whoever. See how that works out. Thanks, Since '61

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:17 am

'61 - While the acrimony associated with this site increases you remain a shining example of reason and grace. Thank you.

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dschwalm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:13 pm

Does he get a gold star because he agrees with you?

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:16 pm

No it does not mean I get a gold star. WKup and I have had our discussions over the seasons, often agreeing, sometimes not. WKup's point is that we can keep the discussion civil. Thanks, Since '61

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:35 pm

Since 61, I agree with you as well. We go back a long way. I've been Pretty Close to cutting ties with Bulaga & I haven't been a big fan of Crosby at times, but I've gotten over that. Injuries have killed us, especially in the OL, it seems like every year. As far as the WR'S go, We went from probably the BEST RECEIVING CORE, ever assembled in my lifetime to where we are. JMO, but our WR's & AR both would look a lot better with a Healthy Offensive Line.LVT

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2016 at 03:24 pm

LVT - there's no question a healthy OL would make a significant difference for this team. Not just for the re3ceiving corps and AR but for the ground game as well. Everything on offense starts with the OL. Thanks, Since '61

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:00 pm

WKup - you are welcome! After 50 plus years as a fan I just try to keep it all in perspective. In life, family, business, sports I have never seen blame or acrimony solve anything. It just creates bitterness and hurt. Who needs it. Over the years the Packers have provided me with many more good days than bad, even with the 70s and 80s in there. Since 1992, 24 seasons we have had as many good seasons as we had bad from '68 - '91. Should we have more SBs with Farve and Rodgers probably. But the Colts have one so far with Manning and Luck. NO one with Brees, Atlanta 0 with Ryan, The Pats 1 with Brady since 2004. Detroit, and Cleveland, have not even sniffed a Super Bowl never mind win one in the time I've been a Packer fan. It could always be wrorse. To me it's a privelege to be a Packers fan and always will be. Doesn't mean that I will not be critical of the team, just means I don't let it make me angry or nasty. Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 05, 2016 at 02:00 am

I agree that Since '61 is the epitome of grace and reason (but not that he is always right - LOL!).

I agree though that Sitton did an adequate job at LT. He was not great or even good, but he was not terrible. He gave up 4 pressures plus a sack (and had a run blocking penalty downfield) in 75 snaps, including 44 pass attempts. And Sitton could still run block. By contrast, Walker (and at RT) gave up 5 pressures in 20 snaps (not sure how many were pass attempts), and was replaced by Tretter. I still like Walker, btw, as a developmental guy who probably will be a pretty good OG and might be able to play RT given time.

A decent back-up LT by definition is a guy who is not good enough to start. We should expect a back-up to either need some help or to give up some pressures, and/or have run blocking limitations. Tretter is a very good back-up OC, and looks like he can be a decent back up OG. I thought Lane Taylor was just okay at LG, btw.

Clearly, the FO overestimated Barclay and/or his recovery from knee surgery. Many of us thought we should draft an OT in the last 3 drafts (me just because the last few drafts had a lot of depth for OTs through the top 120 picks or so - but TT's drafts the last few times were pretty strong, so other than Thornton instead of an OT, it would be difficult to pinpoint which player TT should have passed on to take an OT.

Still think GB's preferred starting OL has 4 above average starters and one (Bakh) average to a tick below average starter. There is some depth at OG and OC, but nothing at LT, and RT might be okay if Tretter develops some.

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January 04, 2016 at 11:44 am

I'm still baffled by that INT. He had him open on the outside for the TD but inexplicably threw it inside. Rodgers' mental sharpness was always a huge strength for him. That was a throw of a bottom-tier QB. What in the world is going on with him?

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January 04, 2016 at 12:16 pm

Well, I remember from prior seasons that commentators used to say that all QBs work on something specific to improve during the off-season. For example, before 2014 it was accuracy on long throws for #12. I watch a lot of football. I heard about what QBs of other teams worked on. I didn't hear anything about what #12 was working on this past off-season. And I watched all games live, except for one. Maybe he was otherwise occupied, or had his mind somewhere else? I had brought up a few weeks ago that he didn't seem to be in the games mentally, and I was crucified on CHTV. Now most other people echo my sentiment from a few weeks back. Maybe others start to see it as well?

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January 04, 2016 at 12:44 pm

'Hearing' what he worked on this offseason is akin to the Cowboys whining about Romo/Witten going on vacation during a bye week or pointing fingers at Jessica Simpson for his issues (sorta like Demovsky hinted at Munn being the issue perhaps). Rodgers hits guys who get open. Perhaps he's seeing a few more pocket ghosts than usual but how anyone could possibly blame him given how much the OL has regressed due to whatever reason's beyond me.

I don't fault Rodgers for this as much as the guys around him refusing to see the issue that's been there since Jordy's injury: we have no WR's that can get off the line & stretch the field & we're refusing to give one who MAY be able to do that (Janis) playing time to find out when the season's already in the can. Yes, Rodgers has missed some opportunities like in the CAR game at the end but it's been a long time since he's been this flustered too. He deserves the benefit of the doubt when he targets Adams 33 freaking times and the dude only catches 1/3rd of them.

As for the crucifixion, all I can say is the #intedwetrust folks want you to shut up, drink your beer, eat the brat, and enjoy the fact that it's not the 80's anymore despite the fact it never WILL be again. I can agree w/your mental state comment, but not in regards to his preparation being the reason for where he's at or the off the field stuff Rob referred to before.

The big problem I have w/the ITWT crowd is that the Wolf/Sherman era vs the TT/MM era is only separated in record by years endured from where I stand. Sherman only had 1 losing season just like MM & TT fired him for it. Sherman had a HOF QB just like MM & Wolf said their years wound up being a 'fart in the wind' after 2 Super Bowl appearances & one win. Thompson has 1 appearance w/a win & 1 'almost' last year to go w/the other 'almost' in '07 so they're running in a dead heat to me. We only have 4 years or so of A-Rod left to enjoy. Do we really wanna trust it to these guys who refuse to fix problems until a year or more goes by of them? I'm not saying clean house but Murphy needs to get into TT's ear that playing ultra-conservative isn't cutting it anymore.

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GVPacker's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:03 pm

Gotta think A Rod is hurt. My guess is a Shoulder or Rib injury that is screwing up his mechanics. He's had such a great reputation for being able to put the ball in tight spots but he seems unable to make those passe's now!

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January 05, 2016 at 06:57 am

then why is he not on the injury report week in and week out? that would actually be a violation of NFL rules, and could cost the Packers draft picks in the severest cases. Especially should he have surgery after the season... So no, I really don't think that he is injured more than beyond the 'reasonable' state of any NFL QB at this point in a season.

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January 04, 2016 at 11:48 am

I agree with a lot of what you said. Also to be noted. Packers defense really only gave up 10 points. 3 points essentially came on that fake punt.

I agree that the teams injuries are what is the core problem with the team. When is the last time the offensive line has started the starting 5 together in a game?

And you can't lose 2 of your top 3 WR's 1 of which is one of the best in the league and not expect some sort of drop off.

That being said, my biggest problem is the lack of changes made in play calling/game planning to adjust to the players they do have. When your lacking talent you have to do more schematically to beat teams. We haven't seen hardly any of this.
Coaches have to adjust their schemes to the players they do have, versus trying to make lesser talented players fill the roles of the players they lost.
Last year when Rodgers hurt his calf muscle the offense adjusted. They ran a lot of pistol formation and very quick timing throws. It worked because they adjusted their offense to fit their immobile QB. They essentially did that on the fly last year.

I believe they can adjust their offense at any moment to make it work. They just have been reluctant to do so.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:33 pm

Since '61, as the kids would say, you post 'like a boss.'

Rational, big picture.. you simply 'get it' and have a great way with telling it.

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January 04, 2016 at 05:04 pm

Thanks Oppy!!! Since '61

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January 05, 2016 at 05:21 am

Since '61, I agree with your "diagnose". Also the ideas to fire coach who has the second best win/lose ratio in the NFL at the moment I do not see as smart move. Who would you hire instead of him? Some of his assistants (they are part of winning/losing scenario)? Joe Philbin (looks like Dolphins do not like him, why Packers would?)? Someone new and inexperience? OK, lets say last option. Even if TT score the center of the target with new, inexperienced guy how long will pass before this guy will starts to win? If he miss, then new guy? How many of them? Sorry, but Sean Peyton, or Chip Kelly or, God forbid, Jim Harbaugh? Tom Coughlin? Mike Smith, Mike Shanahan, Darrell Bevell, Dom Capers? Who? Jim Schwartz or Jim Tomsula?
(this is my repeated post from other article!)
Also, only one thing. I do not believe Aaron plays injured. I think he has bad season. That kind of season may come because he is disappointed with the 3 main points - Jordy injury - first, Davante 2nd year stall - second and Ty injury - third. He is less concentrated in the games as he is not motivated fully as usual. Also, that comes to evidence when he plays more automatically (4th quarter behind deficit) things suddenly becomes OK! He does not see field as he saw it earlier seasons... I think, however this season finished, we will see old, if not improved Aaron back to the team!

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:04 am

Possibly the dumbest coaching display on both teams in a while. In an essentially meaningless game (both teams in the playoffs) MM has AR running for his life behind a makeshift line. Rodgers should have been out of the game at 20-3.

Then the dumb wave scooped up Zimmer, who decided it was a great idea to put an injured Peterson back in the game. All this for the right to host one playoff game? Sheer lunacy

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ray nichkee's picture

January 05, 2016 at 08:47 am

A home playoff game brings in lots of money to the team and the community.

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January 05, 2016 at 11:12 am

I understand that ray. However, the goal is to win the SB after making the playoffs. Getting guys injured, or risking further injury, is inconsistent with that goal.

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KenEllis's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:12 am

Ugly.

5 years since the Super Bowl Victory and no second super bowl appearance with ARod turning 33 next season.

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brewers_rule's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:02 pm

Ron Wolf would describe that as a 'fart in the wind,' but I'm not going to be negative so we're all just spoiled Packers fans for having 2 HOF QB's on our team period, even if we waste away their productive years on a lowered bar, right?

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January 04, 2016 at 12:18 pm

Even the great Ron Wolfe only produced one 'fart in the wind' then... And that despite having a future hall of fame QB and a future hall of fame HC. Plus some of the best defensive and offensive minds at other coaching positions...

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January 05, 2016 at 09:49 am

And your point is...? I've said repeatedly: what separates this regime from being just like Wolf's who he himself admitted could and SHOULD have been far more than it was? The way I see it, the window's closing here & both TT/MM continue to pretend winning division titles & maybe one playoff appearance is enough in the 21st century NFL. I'm sorry, it is NOT.

Not when the NFC South overturns annually. Not when you have teams like Seattle win the NFC West with a losing record as recently as 2010. Not when you have Houston, who has Brandon Weeden leading the team, 'winning' their division this year. Regular season has become meaningless. Soon, you'll see division titles take a backseat to reformatted playoffs to let the best records in, not division winners anymore because of the history we've seen like I referenced. Like it or not, it's the NFL we live in. It's not 1980 anymore and never will be. Anyone can win their division and we SHOULD given the sad state of ours the last decade or so. For crying out loud, the Steelers didn't win their division & people are picking them to go all the way in the AFC this year. We won a title in 2010 because of that kind of run.

History's littered with coaches that were fired with good regular season records even before the 21st century brought us the era of 'one and done' regimes almost every year now. Norv Turner. Marty Schottenheimer. Mike Sherman. Why are Packer fans demanding that increased excellence of MM/TT constantly told to shut up by the #intedwetrust crowd? We are the Green Bay Packers and we have higher standards than the rest of the league & have since the NFL began. That's not a bad thing and shouldn't be.

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January 05, 2016 at 03:04 pm

I see your point. We do have a higher standard and just because the 70s and 80s are a reason to appreciate our long awaited success does not mean we should be content with it. To me losing the big games we have lost from 2007 on is not in our DNA. I've been a fan since I was a kid, 1962-63,and I can tell you it was hell to have to swallow being a laughingstock for so many years. It was very hard because I was raised with the greatness that the Packers stood for, and I could not accept anything less than true greatness. Did I appreciate the small victories of not just making the playoffs but having any star players at all, hell even good ones, along the way, Hendricks, Brockington, Dickey and some of the leftovers from the 60s, like Gillingham,Yes, but when we finally won again in 96, it was being back in our rightful place. Losing the next year even though we went to the SB it was not enough. Just like getting to the Championship game the year before and losing to the Cowboys no less That s just the way it is for us and I am and will always be proud of the standard we stand for. Lombardi reminded many of that and our history, and the same goes for now.

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dschwalm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:19 pm

Rodgers is NOT a lock to be a Hall Of Famer by any stretch. A few more seasons like this one, and the voters will forget about his last 4in a hurry.

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January 04, 2016 at 03:51 pm

Yes he is. Best QBR over a whole season, above any other QB, by a large margin. I think even his 2nd best season in QBR was better than the next QB's, who I think is P. Manning.
He has a lot of things working for him. A bad season or even a decline towards the end of his career doesn't mean he won't be in.
His TD to INT rating is beyond ridiculous, compared to all other QBs, over his whole career, and even this season doesn't change it that much.
No doubt he will be a shoe-in.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 05, 2016 at 05:25 am

Pete I agree with you. But he is working hard to ruin his TD/INT ratio on large scale...

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January 04, 2016 at 12:08 pm

Yes, 33 is ancient for a QB.

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brewers_rule's picture

January 05, 2016 at 09:53 am

In the age of the NFL where one concussion can keep you out half the season (Shields has missed 1/3rd of it now with his first one, btw) and one errant hit (how many has A-Rod endured over the years behind this so-so OL?) can result in a lost season via ACL tear, age is not the concern, the mileage is & hyper sensitivity to any injury is. Brady lost a season due to ACL tear. Palmer did twice. A-Rod's broken his collarbone & been concussed already in his career. It's not going to get better with age & assuming it won't get worse is playing with fire so the window IS closing and MM/TT should be making moves to subscribe to that.

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zoellner25's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:26 am

Tweet by Zach Kruse:

#Packers offensive ranks: Yards (23rd, worst under MM) Points (15th, second worst) Passing yards (25th, worst) Yards per att (28th, worst)

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dschwalm's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:20 pm

Yeah, we have all seen those stats a gazillian times from the 6th game on.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:29 am

Might as well cut to the chase

Good. Defense, Crosby, Matthews, Hyde in particular

Bad Rodgers

Ugly. "Play not to get too far behind MM" and whatever that was that could be called a Game plan. 3 3/4 of no O and horrendous time management.

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January 04, 2016 at 12:37 pm

Rodgers suffered through 8 sacks in Phoenix, 5 sacks this week, not to mention the rushed throws and hurried situations against both teams. That forward pass/fumble thing - an another situation of compromised quarterback protection resulting in a turn-over touchdown. How can Rodgers perform consistently when there's a pretty good percentage he's going down? He's can't always get back up, dust himself off and get his banged up head and body back into the game. If the game depends on the performance of the QB - then make damned sure he can perform.

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January 04, 2016 at 01:24 pm

You make some good points, Jean, and that's why I say give him another season with a solid (not great - just solid) O-Line, and then consider him in a trade. He will be pretty well washed up then. He is not a Brady or Peyton, so he won't be playing much past 35. He does NOT have the passion for the game like those two. You can tell it in his pressers.

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January 04, 2016 at 12:01 pm

To avoid the inevitable onslaught of insults from the #intedwetrust folks, I'll say what they want to hear:

Everything's awesome (insert the lego theme here), we are only a tweak away from fixing this problem w/better practice preparation, and even if we lose this week to the pathetic NFC East we still had double digit wins & a playoff birth so it's party time!

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January 04, 2016 at 03:25 pm

Amen and Allah Akbar!

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WinUSA's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:40 pm

The Good: Well I know I will get heat about this...but...We LOST! As much as this sounds blasphemous...the fact of the matter... playing Washington and North Carolina and having Seattle and Arizona beating the shit out of each other is really, really GOOD for us. Hating the ViQueens made losing to them in this case a New Years gift...Just love the fact that they have to play Seattle!!!!!!

Okay...now for real... Mathews was the Mathews of old...I gave him crap last week, but he was a man possessed yesterday!

Jonesy...can't understand how TT got this guy ..or befuddling yet how the Giants and Raiders let him go...the year he left he made so many difficult catches for us and he still is doing it...who the hell cares if the guy can't run a 4.5 40!!!!!!!!!!!

Sitton in at left tackle was a great move by McChubby (still pissed at him for letting Rodgers get the snot beat out of him last week...Yeah I know that he had a couple of penalty's and was responsible for 2 sacks...but hell...the guy gave it his all and compared to what happened last week...by sacrificing himself...he gave our injured guys 2 weeks to heal....if they heal at all...it could be a good run coming up....
Rodgers....got open and made some nice catches and runs....might be hope for the guy...seems to be getting better each week.
More Good: Barcley and what's his name wasn't in the game! :+)
Crosby...the guy looked like a bonafide football player when he forced the fumble...Kudos foot man!!!!

and...my last Good...the team as a whole did not throw in the towel.... I really loved that...kind of gives me a glimmer of hope for the playoffs.

BAD.... Well losing to the ViQueens feels bad no matter what the benefit... (had to throw that in there)...
It might be over bashing but Rodgers (numero 12)... well...isnt playing like Rodgers....

UGLY
Our bubble screens...Christ, when the opposition uses it on us...they get 10 to 15 yards...we might get 5..can't figure that one out. We look like the Keystone Cops out there (for folks over 50 :+9)

The look on my face when the Queens pulled the 4th down fake...de ja vu Seattle...

...and my last ugly....the smiles on the Vikings faces for winning the stupid North title. The idiots are like sheep going into the den of the wolves and they didn't even see it!

Happy New Year All! Go PACK!!!!!!

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 05, 2016 at 07:06 am

"playing Washington and North Carolina and having Seattle and Arizona beating the shit out of each other is really, really GOOD for us. "
how would we possibly play Washington and Carolina? And Seattle play Arizona? If we win against Washington, and if Seattle beats the Vikings, then Seattle as the 6th seed goes to Charlotte, and we go to Phoenix...
We could then only play Carolina in the NFCCG. But there is absolutely no scenario that Seattle could possibly play Arizona, other than in the NFCCG in Arizona after all others are eliminated...

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Pack66's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:43 pm

What happened to the "Flawless TT" and "Golden Boy" Rodgers....HAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You know, hypocrites...

If this were FAVRE, you'd be all over his ass...but not "pretty boy Rodgers, or Tightwad Ted"...

Why is that, Cheese lards?

I really would like to know.

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WinUSA's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:03 pm

Good stuff is coming! Go Pack.

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January 04, 2016 at 03:04 pm

Okay, I might be insane, and feel free to call me names, but I woke up today pretty optimistic about the playoffs. I think the team can get it together in Washington and make a run.

Washington is not good. They went 9-7 without beating a .500 team. That's damn near impossible, but they did it thanks in large part to their historically bad division.

They also have a mediocre QB. Kirk Cousins is not good. He has been hot against trash defenses, but he's still Kirk Cousins. He's exactly the type of QB that Dom Capers can actually befuddle. The only team they beat this year in the top half of the league in opponent passer rating was Buffalo, who was 10th. The Packers are 7th in that regard.

So then, we're looking at either Carolina or Arizona. We have lost to both, yes. The Arizona loss was particularly disheartening, sure. But it was 2 days after Christmas, meant little in terms of seeding/matchups for the Packers, and featured a slew of injuries on the OL that allowed 93-year-old Dwight Freeney to act like it was 2008 again.

This team had the ball with a chance to win or tie in 4 of their 6 losses. THIS TEAM! The one that didn't look great, could have, with a few breaks, gone 14-2. THIS TEAM!

Their only bad losses were to the Broncos and Cardinals on the road. I mentioned the possible motivational and physical reasons for the Cards debacle, but there is an equally explainable reason for the Denver loss: IT CAME IN HIGH ALTITUDE. Green Bay plays in Denver once every 8 seasons. They're also a young, draft-and-develop team with few outsiders. This means that very few of them have EVER played in the thin air before. It's a HUGE disadvantage, and something impossible for which to prepare. So fading in the second half is almost expected, and it's exactly what they did.

Seattle is the only NFC team I don't think the Packers could beat on the road right now, but if we were to play them, it would be at home!

Everyone is down on these guys. Everyone. I'm down on them too. But it's not impossible. It really isn't. They can find their stride. There's still time.

Nagler, among countless others, is going to tell you this is a bad Packer team. I disagree. This is a good team that is confused right now. If they can figure it out against Washington, they can get rolling and make a run. I think they will. None of the regular season matters now. It's a new season.

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January 04, 2016 at 04:28 pm

I was actually encouraged by the play of the receiving group last night. An improbable run to the Super Bowl is not impossible. If Bakh and Shields can show up next weekend at 95%, then I'm with you. The other "ifs" to me involve MM and #12 getting things right - but they have in the past and it is not crazy to think that they might do it again.

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January 04, 2016 at 04:30 pm

Love your optimism. Wish I had the same belief in this team. They are just so hard to watch - on offense. Who would have guessed that the weak link would be the offense?! Winning in Washington just means that we get a lower round draft choice. While I wouldn't lay down for a better draft position, there is no way this team makes it past Arizona, Seattle or even Carolina (unless our defense finds a way to outscore the opponent).

When we made our run in 2010, we were the hot team going into the playoffs - not the team backing into the mix. Let's hope that Washington only shows up with 2 DBs and one of our receivers finds a way to get open.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:44 pm

We've had a playoff spot locked up for 2 wks! Not exactly backing in when you put it in context.

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Razer's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:29 pm

Full stream ahead eh.

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LASVEGAS-TOM's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:51 pm

We were the 6th seed and a DOG all the way to & in the SB

LVT

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January 04, 2016 at 04:37 pm

No your not insane, but a lot of ifs . The biggest If for me is what MM does and who he decides to play. On a positive note, maybe this will be the game he uses the whole playbook and roster. Well at least the players we have wanted to get more playing time.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:50 pm

Yeah like Janis? The guy who drops passes in practice and doesn't run good routes or get separation?

Remember everyone clamoring for Ryan about a month ago? Those are the same people now calling him slow and the next Hawk.

Some things never change!

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January 04, 2016 at 05:11 pm

I don't have an opinion one way or the other. Personally I think Ryan is better than Hawk. The problem as I see it is, We need another Mathews, we also need another Peppers, and a solid LT. I suggested going after Joe Thomas, but got completely shot down on that one. LVT

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January 04, 2016 at 06:27 pm

No. I just think having Ripkowski in for some plays and blocking, not to mention Abby getting more than one target is a better use of the roster. No need to put a negative spin on it. And as for Janis how do you know what he does in practice anyway.

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January 04, 2016 at 07:46 pm

I read. Report about a month ago sd he had a few bad drops in one practice. Bad day maybe, but there are always good reasons a player isnt getting game reps. We know he doesn't run good routes yet.

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January 04, 2016 at 04:51 pm

Is there a chance the team didn't want to play Seattle? I doubt it, this team is doomed this year. Rodgers has to play better and I have not seen any evidence that he can this year.

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AngryPackersFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:56 pm

Fuck yeah! I like this line of thinking, it sure beats unbridled negativity.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 05, 2016 at 01:15 pm

I am with you! I would like Packers to have another path, but who knows, maybe this is the right path. Also, I am never give up guy, so why to give up now? I only hope Eddie will heal his rib injury till next Sunday afternoon...

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ray nichkee's picture

January 05, 2016 at 10:54 am

Amen packsmack, that some good stuff without any woohooo the packers are the best crap. This is a game. It is entertainment. It is human. It is reality. Any team can win.

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zoellner25's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:29 pm

on the bright side Packer fans, we don't face Carolina or Arizona next year, and we get to play the AFC south and NFC east.

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January 04, 2016 at 04:35 pm

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:37 pm

As expected the extremists that think they know more than the coaches and personnel dept are out in droves wanting radical changes. Nevermind this staff and team has been extremely good and highly successful. But we should get a new HC,GM, QB etc,etc. Blah, blah, blah.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 05, 2016 at 06:20 am

For the record. I don't think we need any coaching changes made.

Perhaps in the offseason bringing a guy like Joe Philbin in might not be a bad idea. But McCarthy, Capers are good. Same as Ted Thompson.

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January 05, 2016 at 01:39 pm

Philbin as OC. Bennett back to WR. And Clement to QB??? That's about as extreme as they will go.

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January 05, 2016 at 01:51 pm

I would be fine with that.

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nostradanus's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:28 pm

To all die hard Packers fans:
Being born and raised in Wisconsin I bleed Green and Gold like the rest of you. I now reside in Virginia and sadly I am forced to listen to Redskins talk radio to get my football talk fix in the car.
From Washington's perspective the Skins fans are quite ecstatic that they get to face the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Wow, what a difference a year makes! The fans here are just giddy thinking that the Packers are a joke and a pushover. This Sunday they are going to get a good old fashioned kick in the tail! Look; I know things are not as we expected them to be at the onset of the 2015 season, but I know one thing for a fact, the Packers and McCarty are battle tested in the playoffs and they shall not go quietly. That said, I NostraDANus being the optimistic Packers mystic am predicting the Packers will steamroll the skins at their house! Come on Packers fans, this is a new season, embrace it while you can, it's not over till it's over! Packers 27 Redskins 7
NostraDANus

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January 04, 2016 at 05:42 pm

Defense has been good IMHO. Not spectacular, but good enough to win many games.

Special teams are solid. The fake punt and poor kickoff return coverage on the Crosby forced fumble weren't encouraging except the hustle displayed by Crosby. Two thumbs up for Mason!!! Just don't miss any important field goals, m'kay?

Not much to add about the RBs and receivers. I still think Lacy/Starks is a formidable duo, if they can run hard and not fumble.

But as for Rodgers, he's the biggest puzzle. There seems to be little that's changed between McCarthy calling plays and Clements. Is Rodgers changing plays at the LOS, or are the coaches clueless about making adjustments? Rodgers seems to always take a shotgun snap or 7 step drops, eventually escaping the pocket (if he isn't sacked) and trying to make a play. Is this because the receivers aren't open, or is he always looking for a big play? Is he bypassing small gains in the hope of finding big ones? Has he become uncoachable, and fallen into bad habits, or are the receivers really that bad? He looks off compared to earlier this season.

Some have speculated he may have suffered an injury at some point, but his arm still looks strong (mild concussion perhaps, waves off the docs. It is partly up to the player to say something). The INT in the endzone was a terrible decision, and he's made some other bad throws. What happened to quick slants, screens and other short, quick plays? 40 yards is 40 yards, it matters little if you get it in one play or 8. There seems to be a lack of patience on the offensive side of the ball.

But this team can easily beat Washington. They can go even further if the line is reasonable healthy and Lacy/Starks can run hard and not turn it over. Rodgers, Cobb, Adams and Jones can catch the ball., we just can't expect big plays. all the time. Little gains will open up big plays. They'll need a bit of luck no doubt, but they have experience against all teams in the NFC playoffs this season, except for Washington. it can be done.

It's largely on Rodgers' shoulders.

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Ima fubar's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:14 pm

The Good, Mathews, Crosby, Ryan
I thought they came to play, made a lot of tackles and gave it there all, plus the kicking was again spot on.

The bad; Raji, O line, Datone Jones
One played and did nothing but create penalties, One played and looked pourous again getting over run at will with only four man rush and one went our injured for the 99th time in 4 years.

The Ugly; passing game and receivers
For three quarters it was non existant and even then looked sucky
R Rogers ass his wider than my snow shovel and a high schooler could cover this guy do to lack of speed. Adams had his one or two catches. Cobb went missing an had no impact

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January 04, 2016 at 09:23 pm

I am really lost right now. I think on one end continuity is the way to go in the NFL as far as coaching. But on the other hand I find myself wanting a total regime change.

This has been frustrating to watch to say the least. I really feel after watching a lot of NFL all season GB would lose on neutral field to at least 25 of the 31 other teams in the NFL they really are playing that poorly.

I am not going to keep guessing what is wrong, but I do know that losing Oline and skill position players in todays NFL results in disaster. Look at NE Patriots, they have struggled mightily in recent weeks with all there injuries to the Oline and WR corps. Brady has been getting destroyed the past two weeks.

This team is trying to be something they are not. With the injuries on offence they should be a run first, clock grinding team using heavy sets, play action and play great defence. They started out with that plan on the first drive only to quickly revert back to the insanity that is trying to do the same thing over and over again hoping to gain the results of years past.

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Razer's picture

January 05, 2016 at 07:45 am

Well said.

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ben's picture

January 05, 2016 at 02:58 am

:)

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ray nichkee's picture

January 05, 2016 at 09:25 am

.l..

Thats me flipping you the bird, ben.

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