The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Packers vs Saints
Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Packers Week 3 victory over the Saints.
By PackerAaron
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marginwalker76
September 28, 2020 at 01:07 am
The good: The tight ends. They put up a lot of production today and Mercedes had some key blocks
The bad: Mike Pettine's lack of an answer for Kamara
The Ugly: Tyler Lancaster looked like he was a boy among men out there. It was embarrassing to watch.
Coldworld
September 28, 2020 at 08:17 am
I’d really like to see some informed analysis of DL play. Obviously KeKe did some good things but it’s hard to tell live who really did and didn’t contribute in the trenches for me.
Minniman
September 28, 2020 at 02:30 am
The Good: receivers catching like their careers depend on it........ because it does!
The Bad: Aaron Rodgers........ Aaron Rodgers is a baaaaad man when slighted
The Ugly: The Kamara vs The 11 stooges run...... NOLA fans are going to be as insufferable about that as Seahawks fans. At least we won this one!
HankScorpio
September 28, 2020 at 06:03 am
"The Ugly: The Kamara vs The 11 stooges run...... NOLA fans are going to be as insufferable about that as Seahawks fans. At least we won this one!"
Definitely very ugly. After that play, they forced a TO and then a 3 and out. Maybe it was professional pride. But the tackling was much more sound after that.
As for Saints fans, when they get to .500, they might be able to yap. If those early fumbles don't bounce right for NOLA, that game could have been a laugher. Even with them bouncing right, the only reason the margin was within a TD was a FG with 30 seconds left.
Sureshot
September 28, 2020 at 02:54 am
The Good : Tight ends answered the call, Aaron freaking Rodgers, the referees because it seemed that most of the calls or no-calls were favorable for the packers (but it's OK, I'll take it)
The bad : where was AJ Dillon on the short yardage situations ?
The ugly : 5 missed tackles, are you kidding me ?
The very VERY ugly : The Falcons defense, hopefully again next week...
fastmoving
September 28, 2020 at 03:24 am
Never got the Hill stuff......
Bure9620
September 28, 2020 at 05:28 am
He's a 30 year old gimmick player....
HankScorpio
September 28, 2020 at 07:41 am
If Taysom Hill is the QB of any team's future, I would not be bullish on that team's future being competitive.
dobber
September 28, 2020 at 07:46 am
It's a case of Payton the play-caller being too smart for himself. They're essentially moving the ball at will, they just turned the Packers over on downs, and have a chance to take the lead and put the Packers in a hole. So he decides he needs to get cute...and it ended up costing them the game.
Sureshot
September 28, 2020 at 07:53 am
Very well summed up.
They were advancing pretty easily with a mix of runs and short passes.
If it isn't broken, don't fix it...
Razer
September 28, 2020 at 07:56 am
Yeah, I don't get it. The Packers couldn't effectively handle Murray or Kamira running to the left or outside the tackles. Why they didn't keep doing that and keep Rodgers on the bench is strange. Payton probably being asked this at his presser.
CAG123
September 28, 2020 at 03:46 am
Was it just me or was Ty Summers looking like something out there? He might need more playing time.
Bure9620
September 28, 2020 at 05:29 am
He had one real nice open field tackle and some ugly missed tackles
dobber
September 28, 2020 at 07:41 am
Yup...he did some nice things, but he missed his share, too.
Coldworld
September 28, 2020 at 08:22 am
I think ugly at first but better later. He was calling adjustments too in his first D action. He definitely and unsurprisingly needs more playing time to improve and to practice in the role in the week, he is a novice who was raw coming out. Ideally he wouldn’t have had to jump in like that in a competitive game.
CAG123
September 28, 2020 at 06:24 pm
Kirksey hasn’t been that inspiring to say we NEED him
dobber
September 29, 2020 at 09:21 am
Your're right: it's to be expected...no snaps on defense as a rook in 2019, no preseason games in 2020. At this stage, he's the guy, though, and he's green as grass. Cross your fingers.
murf7777
September 28, 2020 at 08:13 am
Agree, I’m hoping he goes back to be a very good ST player. We need Kirksey or Martin back. He also had problems tackling in College and I suspect why he was drafted late. Hope I’m wrong, but don’t see it.
Houndog
September 28, 2020 at 08:46 am
Bure,
Savage missed Kamara twice on the big run, one in the first 5 yards and again in the last 5 yds. Other than his missed tackle on that same play, I thought Summers played well for a guy tossed into the game for basically his first real action. Krys Barnes was another nice surprise, maybe the Packers do have some future LBs on the roster.
Houndog
September 28, 2020 at 08:26 am
It's not just you GAG, other than being the 'first' missed tackle on Kamara's big run, I thought Summers did a hell of a job, and we heard Krys Barnes name called a couple times too.
Where did the Packer get Linebackers not named Smith?
PhantomII
September 28, 2020 at 10:15 pm
Thank you CAG123. How can a player be on a team for an entire season and 2 games and not have an active role on the Defense and as soon as an injury happens to that position HE is the one making the calls for the D. How can you go into a game and not have a backup plan with a guy who gets everyone set who has not done it in a game because of poor leadership on that side of the ball. I have no doubt being a former QB and the like he was confident in it but he should have been in a rotation long ago for just this instance. What are we doing Pettine?
HaroldDrake
September 28, 2020 at 04:04 am
THE GOOD: Aaron Rodgers, Allen Lazard, Kingsley Keke, Mason Crosby, and Dr. Z for the game-changing fumble recovery.
THE BAD: Lazard once again stumbling after making what should be an unimpeded TD catch. (A fact which Mr Nagler has pointed out!)
THE UGLY: The Packers' run defense and especially the five missed tackles on the long Kamara TD run - the first missed tackle was the worst with the shoulder bump tackle attempt by Jaire Alexander a close second.
dobber
September 28, 2020 at 07:44 am
The kid has elite acceleration, and the defense had to know that. There were a couple plays where Kamara just breezed past a tackler whose angle was bad. Redmond blew the initial play on the TD run by coming in hot and whiffing on the tackle. If he breaks down, slows Kamara up a little and forces him back toward the middle of the field and his help, things might turn out better.
PatrickGB
September 28, 2020 at 11:09 am
Lazard can stumble all he wants but he still made a difficult catch. He is not known for his speed and I am just happy that he caught it.
Leatherhead
September 28, 2020 at 11:59 am
Kamara had that run as a pass reception. He had 139 yards on 13 catches and two TDs. He only had 6 runs. Murray was their leading rusher with 12 attempts for 58 yards. Y’all are going to hate this, but we’re not giving up an abnormal amounts of ground yardage.
The Good. We held New Orleans, on their home field, to 30. When Brees and Kamara are on the field, they go over that about 75% of the time at home. So that’s definitely good. And our #1 offense is good. And Rodgers to Lazard is good. And Makin’ Crosby is good. And having 0 turnovers, 1 sack, and 2 penalties for 10 yards is good.
The Bad: Repeated failures to pick up short yardage. I’m going to guess that Dillon didn’t play because he’s making mistakes in practice, and the HC is all about not beating yourself. And we don’t.
The Ugly: Every Packer associated with that Kamara play should go home and give themselves a good cockpunch. Terrible.
SterlingSharpe
September 28, 2020 at 05:24 pm
Cockpunch?
CAG123
September 28, 2020 at 06:28 pm
The short passing game was effective if they wanted to run more they could have they still ran for 122 yards and 6.1 yards a carry. The Lions falling behind is the ONLY reason we haven’t given up over 100 yards every game.
Leatherhead
September 29, 2020 at 09:01 am
And yet, more than half the teams in the league have given up more yards on the ground than the Packers,
CAG123
September 29, 2020 at 09:46 am
That just means a lot of teams are getting ran on that’s not a ringing endorsement for the Packers 115 yards a is terrible.
Bure9620
September 28, 2020 at 09:07 pm
That would be interesting if Dillon were making mistakes in practice...I am wondering if Jamal Williams hasn't just upped his game....
bodei1newbie1
September 28, 2020 at 05:07 am
the good -allen Lazard good hands
the bad - still need to improve on stopping the run
the ugly - they will need to find another linebacker(free agent if there is one around) to help stop the run
Bure9620
September 28, 2020 at 05:57 am
The Good....The Aarons, Keke, Lazard, TE play and Sternbergers bounce back, Jaire Alexander (never threw his way) his coverage was ridiculous, allowed -2 pass yards, Lancasters hustle
The Bad: our safetys angles and tackling, LB play, Is Barnes the best ILB on this team??
The ugly: D-line........run defense, non tackling
Archie
September 28, 2020 at 11:21 am
".....The ugly: D-line........run defense, non tackling...."
For the most part Kamara ran wide and there was no edge being set. That is either on the OLB or Pett.
If run defense and tackling in general doesn't get a whole lot better, Pett should be relieved of his duties at season's end. And I was a Pettine supporter till this year. Admittedly, defense is atrocious league-wide this year thus far.
Leatherhead
September 28, 2020 at 12:07 pm
Yeah, you’re not supposed to point out that Z Smith is getting crushed inside on those runs.
It’s part of the trade off for having a good pass defense. But anybody who takes the time to look it up....like Dobber.....is going to see we’re not giving up a lot of yards. New Orleans, at home, has a very productive offense. Lots of teams don’t hold them to 30 there.
dobber
September 29, 2020 at 09:19 am
;)
Rossonero
September 28, 2020 at 06:06 am
The good: The Aarons, TEs stepping up, Lazard, Kingsley freaking Keke, LaFleur's call to punch it in on 4th down, Zadarius punching the ball out of Taysom Hill's hands to give the ball back was HUGE
The bad: run defense, MVS being invisible, red zone offense, Kirksey getting injured
The ugly: tackling! My goodness that run by Kamara will be painful to watch in the film room this week.
Bure9620
September 28, 2020 at 06:15 am
I think the Saints rolled coverage to MVS several times to avoid getting beat deep......Lazard beat them deep instead....
dobber
September 28, 2020 at 07:45 am
I'll eat crow on this. I really didn't expect Lazard to be breaking open deep like he did last night.
Leatherhead
September 28, 2020 at 12:14 pm
Neither did I . But I knew he wasn’t garbage.
And this stumbling stuff.....he makes a tough long reception and we criticize him for not making it look easy. Sheeeeeesh.
rstain99
September 28, 2020 at 06:48 am
The good or great is AR also TE play oline was pretty stout
The bad Kirksey, sorry not the answer at MLB. blame Gute
The Ugly tackling really? these are basics, then I hear Collinsworth pipe in this defense is built for shootouts. Hello SF lets get to NFC title game and watch back slice and dice again. Shootout games.
Regular season studs playoff duds, average defense with this QB and you can win.
Coldworld
September 28, 2020 at 08:34 am
The interesting thing to me was the amount of attention MVS got, That tells you what other teams think. The good was they picked their poison and Lazard stood up and eventually the Young TEs started to click. The best thing going forward is that now teams have to take Lazard seriously and factor in our TEs. We showed a good D that focused on stopping the run and on taking the deep threat out failed to stop us even without Adams.
On D, hope Kirksey and Gary are back soon, I think playing time on D for young players will pay dividends later, but most of all, I hope the lesson on properly and committedly tackling that the Run of Shame seemed to deliver is never forgotten. Alexander did many great things and Kamara is going to make players miss, but the HaHa-esque curl up and trip attempt was emblematic. That stopped and that must carry over. If it does, our D might start to improve. No excuse: they have now showed that they can tackle like they mean it when fired up. That needs to be the new normal.
TheKanataThrilla
September 28, 2020 at 07:02 am
The Good -- The new Aaron Rodgers. Not only is he dropping dimes. I love that he seems to be more forgiving of his player's mistakes. MVS made some drops, Aaron goes back to him. Jace made a couple ugly drops, and once again Aaron goes back to the guy to boost him up. I love seeing this and it will only help add depth to our team.
The Bad -- The focus on the D problem being Pettine. I am not saying he is great or even average, but when you see the pathetic attempts at tackling on display I am willing to say that some of this may be personnel.
The Ugly -- The run of shame. Seriously, I hope we don't have to witness something as ugly as that for the remainder of the season. Filled up the swear jar with that play.
PAPackerbacker
September 28, 2020 at 07:17 am
The good - Aaron Rodgers, Allen Lazard, the TE's, and the Za'Darius Smith forced fumble and recovery
The bad- The run defense
The ugly - Poor tackling
Demon
September 28, 2020 at 07:30 am
The good: someone not named Clark on the Packers DL showing that he belongs in the NFL. Thanks Keke
The bad: that awful feeling I get in my stomach every time an opponent lines up for an onside kick since that awful day in Seattle.
The ugly: how can a defensive player make it to the NFL and not be able to or have any desire to make a tackle? YGBSM!!
Packers0808
September 28, 2020 at 08:19 am
The Good can you imagine with Adams back, with Lazard and IF TE play like last night going forward! Keke play was good! Bad tackling , defense needs some desperate line help and LB help. Maybe up amount willing to pay Harrison!
RedRight49
September 28, 2020 at 08:36 am
The Good:
Aaron Rodgers taking what the Saint's D gave him and, taking what he wanted to take from the D especially to Lazard;
Lazard the Undrafted making a couple of stud receptions;
The TE room came to play last night, blocking and receiving and what a great time to show it on the field;
Big Z;
Keke showed he can play;
The overall O-Line play that mostly kept Number 12 upright and allowed him time to pass.
MLF called a good O game against a solid Saint's defense.
The Bad:
Overall run Defense against the Saints.
The Ugly:
Any tape showing Kamara running through the outstretched arms and shoulder block tackles of whatever defenders happened to be in his way.
Buckywunder
September 28, 2020 at 08:39 am
Have to cop to being one of Taysom Hill’s posse. Whoopsie.
I’ll show myself out, thank you very much... :^)
marpag1
September 28, 2020 at 11:29 am
We're a forgiving sort of bunch ... as long as your man keeps handing us the ball. ;)
PackfanNY
September 28, 2020 at 08:53 am
The Good: ZERO turnovers. ZERO. Anyone notice that the Saints turnover was the turning point of the game? Sorry I am not superstitious. “Luck” is the residue of design.
The Bad: Pray that Kirksey is not seriously injured.Ty Summers was ok. Even saw Oren Burks flash. However, the depth here is a serious question.
The Ugly: The Kamara jaunt through our defense was a disgrace. He wasn’t even at full speed and looked like he was evading traffic cones on the highway. I wouldn’t want to be ANY of those players when the film is reviewed. Ok, maybe Tyler Lancaster. It was the 320 DL who actually hustled down the field and tried to hit the guy. That might win ugliest play of the year award. We will also see that video and endure that for the next 10 years or so. At least we won the game which I will be forced to mention every time I see it.
egbertsouse
September 28, 2020 at 08:57 am
Good: Rodgers. As goes Rodgers, so goes the team.
Bad: JAG Bros. Lowery and Lancaster. Actually, they would have to improve a little to be JAGs..
Ugly: Tackling. It looked even uglier when compared with the Saint’s sure tackling. How many times did the Saints whiff, a couple times less than the Packers did on one play?
mrtundra
September 28, 2020 at 09:01 am
It was nice to see Garvin, our 7th rounder, get some playing time.
Ferrari-Driver
September 28, 2020 at 09:22 am
Disagree with your comments about Taysom Hill. I would rather you would have praised the great play by Z to penetrate, disrupt the play before it started, and making the strip.
BubbaOne
September 28, 2020 at 10:08 am
The GOODekunst: who brought in Lafleur, Stenavich (which also got us Swerve), all the FA's and rookies who have performed, Summers, etc. and didn't listen when the fans, pundits, etc. said he had to draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd round.
The BAD: I had the Packers winning by 9 and they only won by 7...my BAD.
The UGLY was the defense doing their version of the Keystone Cops on Kamara's run after the catch.
PackaBacka
September 28, 2020 at 12:23 pm
The Great: the flow of the play calling, Aaron's execution of the play calls, and the aggressiveness of the play calling (how many 4th downs have we gone for it on this year already?)
The Good: the O-line, the running back corp, the TEs showing up, the receiving corp, the pass coverage by the DEF
The Average: the QB pressure by the defense. Where is Preston? Where was Gary this week (I see is is questionable for Week 4 with an ankle).
The Bad: Injuries. Obviously, Clark and Adams but also Deguara and St. Brown. Kirksey and Gary gone mid game.
The Ugly: DL and ILB ability to defend the run and our ability to tackle (outside Alexander). Weird to say, but I am excited for Kamal Martin to get back. We need something to hope for with our ILB corp. And finally, please, please go get Snacks Harrison.
Since'61
September 28, 2020 at 09:31 pm
The Good: Our OL was effective but we need to work on goal line and short yardage blocking. Aaron Rodgers, Tonyan, Sternberger, Lazard, Keke and Z. Smith
The Bad: Injuries to Kirksey and Gary. Short yardage offense.
The Ugly: Kamara’s 2 long plays. Better tackling and we probably hold the Saints under 20 points.
We should give Lancaster’s snaps to Keke once Clark returns.
I thought Barnes and Summers were effective given their limited amount of live game experience. There may be some hope there as they get more snaps.
Thanks, Since ‘61
PackfanNY
September 29, 2020 at 09:39 am
‘61, I agree with short yardage blocking. Pack is just not a “power” team. Would have been nice to get Dillon a carry or two down there. He is a “power” type back. Even Williams could have been used. Not sure why he wasn’t.
ImaPayne
September 29, 2020 at 06:41 am
Good - the offence
Bad - the lack of depth and key injuries
Ugly - lack of speed on the defence. Watched KC run circles around a supposedly the number one d last night. Tons of offensive speed no one can match. As the analyst said, KC drafted well the past few years. All speed guys. If you can't match some of that you can't beat em.
slant_route
September 29, 2020 at 10:41 pm
good - whatever work the offensive staff spent with Sternberger. Made some nice plays, looked like a diff player than weeks 1 or 2. Kudos. LaFlauer has been getting some deserved headlines. His coaching staff needs more publicity here. I don't know much about them.
bad - the kalmura run
ugly - nothing ugly about being 3-0 to start