The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Packers vs Buccaneers
Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Packers Week 6 loss to the Buccaneers.
By PackerAaron
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Comments (61)
Dough21
October 18, 2020 at 08:30 pm
The Good: I heard Bakhtiari's chest isn't a long term concern.
The Bad: The gamelan when playing from behind, yikes!
The Ugly: Outscored 75-18 coming out of the BYE under coach LaFleur. Not great Bob.gif
NickPerry
October 18, 2020 at 08:32 pm
The Good...The game is OVER!!
The Bad...Rodgers clearly getting rattled after the 1st interception.
The UGLY... Mike Pettines defense. I'd bet any amount of money Todd Bowels could make this unit a Top 5 unit in one season. EVERY other DC out there worth his salt will try something different if whatever it is your doing isn't working. I mean Gronk seem like the All World TE he WAS 5 years ago. NO Pressure, NO sacks, and that's against a suspect O-Line.
4thand10
October 18, 2020 at 09:44 pm
I doubt that on Bowels. He has DL loaded with talent Suh, Pierre-Paul etc...we have Clark and edge rushers .. No secret that we needed DL help. The WR situation was unforseen...but then Funchess didnt play. This would have been the game to feature Dillion and Williams.. 1 INT I put on Rodgers, the second 1 was the worst no call PI i have seen in a long time. Speaking of PI...the one on Jackson was pure BS. But , turnovers aside this would have been a tough game.
Oppy
October 18, 2020 at 10:13 pm
That's a good call on Josh JAckson's PI.
You cant just drape over the WR and occlude their vision to the ball. You have to get the head around and be looking for the ball, otherwise they're going to call that every single time.
Stroh
October 18, 2020 at 10:41 pm
Jones doesn't even know how to look for the ball in man coverage. Like I've said since before he was drafted, he's a zone CB only! He absolutely sucks in every other type of coverage. Should cut him RIGHT NOW, and bring in a CB from someone else's PS and it would be an instant upgrade.
Jackson sucks and is clueless except maybe in zone.
Stroh
October 18, 2020 at 10:51 pm
Both were clearly on Rodgers no doubt about it. The pick 6 was the cardinal sin of throwing behind and late on an out breaking route. The 2nd was thrown into very tight coverage (whether or not any interference). It should never have been thrown either way.
Rodgers has been pretty terrible in big games vs good defenses since he won the SB. He's been terrible in all 4 NFCCG he's appeared in. Not to mention against teams that are able to pressure him. He used to be lethal if you blitzed him, now he shrinks in the face of pressure. I hate to say it cuz otherwise I love his game, but its true and it can't even be debated.
Tundraboy
October 18, 2020 at 10:52 pm
Spot on NP. Among your finest. Pettine has yet to show much and I fear he is our weak link.
UGDR
October 19, 2020 at 07:48 am
I think the game changed the drive before the pick 6 int. When Rodgers got blasted at the goal line by Winfield the game turned. It was pick 6 the next drive and down hill from there. Reminded me of the NFC championship when Rodgers got blasted at the goal line in Chicago and went of to have a very poor game after that 1st drive. Fortunately the defense came to play that day, unlike yesterday, and Caleb Hiene is no Tom Brady.
Since'61
October 19, 2020 at 11:07 pm
UGDR - very astute point about the hit on Rodgers in the end zone. I don’t understand why it wasn’t a TD since no one touched Rodgers when he went down plus it looked like the ball had broken the plane when he knee hit the ground.
Then if it wasn’t a TD because Rodgers took himself down!!?? why wasn’t unnecessary roughness called on the late hit on Rodgers?
As usual I had the sound down so I don’t know how the TV airheads explained the play. MLF should been all over the officials for the non-call on the late hit.
Back to your point, Rodgers was the same after that play. It was like when he took a serious hit to his chest against Denver in 2015. That game was off a bye as well and the Packers were 6-0 at the time and then went 4-6 over their last 10 games and went into the playoffs as a WC eventually losing to AZ in OT.
Let’s hope the Packers can pull themselves together for next week. Thanks, Since ‘61
FITZCORE1252
October 18, 2020 at 08:38 pm
Good: This happened in week 6 and not the playoffs.
Bad: Pettine. There is talent on that side of the ball and I think it's pretty clear that he's just not going to get it all out of them. May be time for a change there.
Ugly: Lafleur's teams off a bye.
GPG
Lotta football left
Ludadave
October 18, 2020 at 08:44 pm
The Good: Nags gets TWO, count em TWO questions
The Bad: I’ve seen this team too many times before
The Ugly: I sense nothing “special” about this team
MattPierson
October 18, 2020 at 08:46 pm
The Good - the Vikings also lost!!!!!
The bad - Aaron Rodgers. Good God, was he off.
The ugly - Suh. The dude is still a dirty player, just like his Lions days.
Fubared
October 18, 2020 at 08:48 pm
The good: Brady only had a so so game.
The bad: Pettines lack of talent on d. His packages are to make up for slow smallish dbacks and no linebackers of mention. 29th in the league?
The Ugly. Offensive scheme. No one seemed to know the play. Looked like a team that hadn't practiced in six months. Everyone looked like a rookie.
pacman
October 18, 2020 at 08:51 pm
You think the Live Stream was all that good to listen to?
I was initially a fan of Pettine but this is turning out to be DC II.
It doesn't get much uglier than 38 unanswered points. This was worse than the beatings last year in CA - which were the harbingers of the playoff loss.
Tundraboy
October 18, 2020 at 10:58 pm
Oh how I hate to love this comment but it's all so true. How could they possibly top this. I thought they would come out in the 2nd on fire or at least make it respectible. Then again I thought that after the hit at the goaline on Rodgers early on. Yuck.
packerbackerjim
October 18, 2020 at 09:01 pm
Good: Barnes. A high caliber ILB in the making.
Bad: Other than both Aarons getting pissed off, the team lacked any sense of fire.
Ugly: Everything after the first quarter.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
October 18, 2020 at 09:04 pm
Good: JK Scott...maybe the only performance I saw that was at least average.
Bad: AR reverting to Aaron of old after getting rattled. Waiting until no time on the clock to snap, taking delay penalties, and wasting timeouts.
Ugly: the lack of balls on the O and D lines. No one manned up. Pushed around all day. Embarrassing.
NickPerry
October 19, 2020 at 06:55 am
Right on the money Doug... Rodgers was looking EXACTLY like the AR of 2018 IMO after those interceptions. Running the clock to zero, deep passes WAY off target. Rodgers should have snapped the ball on that Jones catch which I still say his ass hit inbounds!
Yesterday before the game I made a post I hoped wouldn't happen. With Adams coming back would Rodgers lock in on Adams only or would he do what's worked while going 6-0 dating back to last year?
I think the answer is obvious. With that said that's an EASY fix. Lets wash the taste out of that game with some good scotch on the way home and start over next week in Houston!
edp1959
October 19, 2020 at 10:03 am
When you only have two seconds to find a target where are you going to look first? "Ohh, I think I will look at a receiver that hardly ever gets open, duhhhh." Mean while Brady had enough time to scan through his targets twice practically every snap.
LayingTheLawe
October 18, 2020 at 09:06 pm
There was good? Maybe Barnes and Montravious being a presence at times.
Not sure when Aaron Rodgers being bad was a factor in a loss. But his pick 6 was THE turning point of the game and was a bad throw. And then he missed a few more that might have kept it close.
The sad part is that this is what we were supposed to do to the Bucs. Pressure the QB and make him skittish. Get a lead and go hide. The NFL is a week to week league and this shows what can happen any week when your plan is bad. Maybe this is just the mad fan in me talking but it feels like I saw jet motion only a couple times in the whole game - it was early - and it worked.
Oppy
October 18, 2020 at 10:16 pm
I don't think Tampa's pressure made the QB skittish.
The QB throwing two picks in three dropbacks made the QB skittish, and the defense took full advantage.
Rodgers wasted 3 possessions after those picks trying to play hero ball- holding the ball looking for nothing but the deep strike to make up for the 14 points we gave away- and the bucs took advantage.
Stroh
October 20, 2020 at 11:19 pm
Ever since he won the SB, Rodgers has been skittish in the face of any pass rush. He simply doesn't/hasn't played well in big games or against strong defenses in the last decade. All 4 NFCCG have been putrid, he's been outplayed by lesser QBs in the playoffs and against any good D even in the regular season. Go thru all losses in the regular season. He shrinks against any team that can get after him. Which is really odd since he was phenomenal kn the SB against the #1 ranked D which had James Harrison and Woodley coming off the edge.
I hate to say it, but its pretty clear Rodgers has lost his nerve.
stockholder
October 18, 2020 at 09:07 pm
The Good. 1st Quarter. The Bad. OL. The ugly - The Defense. Footnote: I hate Troy Aikman.
mbpacker
October 18, 2020 at 09:16 pm
Aikman could put a baby to sleep. Wonder if he got excited opening presents as a kid?
4thand10
October 18, 2020 at 09:58 pm
Aikman was utterly ridiculous. Prior to the interception he was going on and on and on about Wrs. Then after the INT...just lopsided commentary. He zooms in on Jacksons bad PI call, but then on Rodgers 2nd INT I saw the defender draped and hanging on to Adams for dear life on that slant route. Saw it 2x on replay...and there wasn't shit said about that no call. Thay second INT was PI...all day. This is also the 3rd or 4th phantom holding on Jenkins.
JohnnyLogan
October 18, 2020 at 11:48 pm
Ever notice how Aikman and Buck love to call penalties on the Packers. "That looked like defensive interference to me." "Packers look to be offsides." They're like fake news refs.
Oppy
October 19, 2020 at 05:42 pm
Aikman and Buck aren't biased against the Packers. Homers are biased.
Packers fans dislike Aikman and Buck because they don't call the game like McCarren and Larrivee.
McCarren and Larrivee are professional homers on the Packers' pay roll.
I love listening to Wayne and the Rock call a game, too. But It is what it is.
badaxed
October 18, 2020 at 09:10 pm
The good : nothing
The bad: Rodgers deer in headlights look!
The ugly,: petines defense. Two men rushing from the 5 yard line........time to fire petite.
mbpacker
October 18, 2020 at 09:57 pm
The good: I have a pension
The Bad: The Packers didn't handle adversity like a championship wanna be team
The Ugly: J k Scott's pants
jgando12
October 19, 2020 at 07:41 pm
Hysterical. Looked like he was wearing gold O’Neill swim trunks. What were they?
mbpacker
October 21, 2020 at 10:57 am
I have no idea. If they said Speedo then we would know.
Fubared
October 18, 2020 at 09:15 pm
The good. There is none.
The bad. Lack of fire in the teams belly.
The ugly. Rodgers falling apart over a pick six. Interceptions destroy his game. Confidence goes in toilet.
Bure9620
October 18, 2020 at 09:31 pm
The Good: AJ Dillon got a few carries and showed something
The Bad: Matt Lefleur, Corey Lindsley, Davante Adams, Josh Jackson, Oren Burks, Preston Smith, Z, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Billy Turner, The WR core. Aaron Rodgers was really awful......he should have had atleast 4 picks, 2 was lucky
The Ugly: Our non blocking and non tackling and lack of any energy, Gameplan
JonathanSpader
October 18, 2020 at 09:24 pm
The Good: The 20 yard run from Dillon
The Bad: OL, Rodgers, Defense
The Ugly: Aikmen and Buck as announcers. Troy yet again being a Cowboy homer and talking about we as Cowboys. Not having anything worthwhile to contribute to the actual game.
Since'61
October 18, 2020 at 10:02 pm
The Good: 1st quarter.
The Bad: Quarters 2,3 and 4. MLF and Pettine were still on their bye week.
The Ugly: Return of ESB who was terribly rusty and it showed. Our OL performance. Defense folding up after the Packers fell behind 14-10 with 40 minutes left to play.
In some ways it’s better to lose like this and just start over next week. Better than losing a heartbreaker on a last second FG after a tough, hard fought game. Our guys just didn’t bring it today for whatever reason after Q1.
Hope Bak returns quickly. Thanks, Since ‘61
JohnnyLogan
October 18, 2020 at 11:56 pm
Never quite understood how it's better to get crushed than lose a heartbreaker. Losing a close game can be explained, you don't get the feeling the team is a complete mess. Losing like this makes it hard to believe the Packers can beat really good teams like KC, Baltimore, Seattle, Pittsburg. Pittsburg D is even better than Tampa's. And Seattle and KC have great offenses. Do you expect Pettine to be able to stop Deebo or Kittle or Kelce by dropping both P. Smith and M. Adams into coverage, at the same time, as he did today? It's an insane thing to do, neither can move in space. They're like parking meters, you just go around them. For this team to have a chance the D has to improve dramatically, and the only way to even get started is to get rid of Pettine. He's a butcher.
Bure9620
October 19, 2020 at 03:41 am
Preston is actually usually not terrible in coverage in zone, its more about long arms and disrupting passing lanes
badaxed
October 18, 2020 at 10:14 pm
Damn poor defense. Fire pettine.
Oppy
October 18, 2020 at 10:22 pm
Ugly is when your all-pro, HOF, once in a lifetime veteran QB is under complete assault from the defense, and for some reason, he continually waits until the play clock in at 0 to hike the ball.
I doubt anyone on the .TB defensive line was even looking at the ball. They were just watching the play clock on the scoreboard. Nothing like giving the rush/blitz the advantage. What. The. Actual. F*!k.
Make no mistake, might be a different coordinator, but this is still the same defense philosophically as it has been for over a decade- built to defend a lead, maybe even get a few close games- but definitely not built for three-and-outs when your back is against the wall and you need to gain possessions and claw your way back into a game from a deficit.
Fully expect this game to be a anomaly this season, but there's nothing that happened today we haven't seen before from this team or these players.
Fubared
October 18, 2020 at 10:42 pm
DItto. IMO it has to do with lack of skilled players, size and speed. The vikes have a new backfield, and they all looked quick, good tackling and coverage skills but lack playing time and experience.
Our dbacks are three years in and Ive seen zero improvement. This aint coaching anymore this is trying to coach with crap players. Ya your right, weve seen this movie too many times
SteelyPhil
October 18, 2020 at 11:51 pm
This is 100% right, although I was really hoping that we had ditched this version of the Packers back in January.
Stroh
October 18, 2020 at 10:59 pm
Good: When the Packers ran right at the Tampa defense they had success.
The Ugly: Josh Jackson. He doesn't belong on a team that plays any man coverage. Over-rated in college!
The Uglier: Aaron Rodgers in big games and against teams that can get pressure. He used to be lethal if blitzed but no longer the case.
JohnnyLogan
October 19, 2020 at 12:11 am
I blame the nonsense celebration of Rodgers in the 1st quarter. Cocky move that looked stupid and the Karma was almost immediate. Rodger's head occasionally gets too big, as it appears it has now after beating three bad teams and a N.O. team that still scored 30 even without Michael Thomas. Matt LaFleur's Einstein comparisons will have to wait as his offensive genius can now be questioned, and his defensive aptitude has yet to show itself. He'd better be like Vince, get into people's faces, demand excellence, get rid of guys who can't play, and coaches who can't coach (Pettine). It's not an overreaction to think this team still has a major lack of talent. 3 decent defensive players in Z.Smith, Clark, and Jaire, and six good offensive players; Rodgers, Jones, Adams, Bahk, Jenkins, and Lindsay. All the rest are average to below. Oh, and continue to get excited by the hype, but Gary is still just a guy.
bodei1newbie1
October 19, 2020 at 04:01 am
the good: first quarter they look great
the bad: when arod got intercepted every thing when down hill
the ugly:Mike Pettines defense. i think it's time for a change
PAPackerbacker
October 19, 2020 at 04:13 am
The good - The first quarter
The bad - The next 3 quarters, both offense and defense.
The ugly - Those annoying announcers Aikman and Buck and that dirty Suh.
Bure9620
October 19, 2020 at 06:37 am
Very few will agree, but it is possible Gute is seeing something in Rodgers (and MLF) that caused him to draft Jordan Love. Rodgers is picking teams apart with great protection, best protection in the league through 4 games in fact.....However, Rodgers is a real disaster now when blitzed and holding the ball or under pressure at all.......like REALLY bad...one of the worst in the league in fact....Aaron Rodgers accuracy was awful, his footwork was awful, the flicks off the back foot are a problem......Rodgers should have 4 possibly 5 picks today......Rodgers is trying to take over the game and play like he is 27.......the problem is he is 37.....Veteran QBs with protection and throwing on time can pick teams apart, as Rodgers does, but consistent pressure is going to be a big problem I think......look for future defenses to mimic the Bucs pressures.......they copied SF actually.....the blueprint is in place now to deal with Rodgers.....
Gute Recently: "This is a young man's game"
I honestly believe based off last years performance, Gute is anticipating and frankly expecting a sharp decline in Rodgers in the relatively near future. We will see shades of his former brilliance but less of it.. Is it 1 year? 2? He believes it's time to get the franchise now and develop him......A gutsy but potentially very smart draft pick
Packers1985
October 19, 2020 at 07:22 am
Gute might've hit some lottery in the FA's signing but his draft picks have been atrocious. At Max we got only 3 starters from the last 3 draft year under him and if you see the good teams in the league most of the teams seems to be doing alot better with their draft picks comparatively.
Bure9620
October 19, 2020 at 08:16 am
At max we got Jaire, Gary, Dillon, Love, Deguara, Keke, Sternberger, Martin, Runyan, Hanson, pretty early to assess the last 2 drafts.....Gute's draft legacy will be determined by Jordan Love, if he busts, Gute will not be with the organization.....
Stroh
October 20, 2020 at 11:48 pm
This might be what Gutey saw in Rodgers that caused him to draft Love...
Ever since he won the SB, Rodgers has been skittish in the face of any pass rush. He simply doesn't/hasn't played well in big games or against strong defenses in the last decade. All 4 NFCCG have been putrid, he's been outplayed by lesser QBs in the playoffs and against any good D even in the regular season. Go thru all losses in the regular season. He shrinks against any team that can get after him. Which is really odd since he was phenomenal kn the SB against the #1 ranked D which had James Harrison and Woodley coming off the edge.
I hate to say it, but its pretty clear Rodgers has lost his nerve.
I think Rodgers can put up big nimbers against mediocre or lesser defenses, but it appears every time he faces a strong defense or one with a pass rush he wilts under the pressure.
Packers1985
October 19, 2020 at 07:23 am
Good:-The only good i can make of this is that it'll keep us grounded and motivated. That cocky comment of williams didn't age well.
Bad:-The offense and it starts with Arod and Lafluer. The whole team looked a bit underprepared and it can clearly been seen on the first drive itself. Our running backs doesn't show up against elite run defenses.
Worse:- "Mike Pettine's Defense" with all the money spent on the high draft picks and FA's in the last 3 years and still no signs of being atleast an above avg defense.
UGDR
October 19, 2020 at 08:02 am
Good: Montravious sightings.
Bad: Buck and Aikman. Adrian Amos. Play clock hitting 0 on every offensive play so the defense can tee off at the snap every DAMN TIME!
Ugly: Injuries, Josh Jackson, Rodgers and LeFluer's flow or lack thereof.
mrtundra
October 19, 2020 at 08:46 am
This was Josh Jackson's best game as a Packer. He made a couple of plays, with no help from the Safeties.
Packers1985
October 19, 2020 at 10:55 am
At the same time he gave up 2 big plays i guess.
Stroh
October 20, 2020 at 11:53 pm
You mean giving up a TD to a rookie WR where he got schooled and also getting burned badly on a deep ball and had to commit a DPI penalty to set up another TD is his highlite game?! Then they need to get rid of him NOW!
mrtundra
October 19, 2020 at 09:01 am
Good: We played a decent 1st quarter. Good to have ESB and D Adams back.
Bad: ESB looked lost on offense. WRs and TEs could not catch anything, apparently. Adams and Rodgers looked out of sync, for most of the game. Our O line got blown away on each snap. Maybe due to Rodgers bringing the clock to zero on most offensive plays. Lack of any kind of rhythm in the last three quarters of the game, drove me nuts. MLF calling run wide plays vs Tampa's Defense. Our missing passes to the area where Tampa's blitzing came from. Usually there is a wide open spot when one throws the ball, to where the blitzes lined up, at the beginning of the down. Our RBs could not pick up the blitz.
Ugly: Rodgers looked off after his 1st INT and never seemed to regain his composure. This loss stung.
Stroh
October 20, 2020 at 11:55 pm
EQ hasn't played a down of football in a year and 1/2. Good lord, give the kid a break!
albert999
October 19, 2020 at 09:33 am
Preston smith is non existent this year
A lot of money for nothing
Barazinho
October 19, 2020 at 02:25 pm
The good: Montravious Adams looking like a decent DL
The bad: No pressure on Brady, and D failing at key points (even though their overall numbers weren't bad)
The ugly: The called back Rogers TD. How can you be "giving yourself up" going forward? If you are, how come the DB wasn't penalized for hitting the QB. It makes no sense.
mrtundra
October 20, 2020 at 08:27 am
Yep! I do not think anyone had touched ARod when his knee hit the ground on the 2 and he stretched over the goal line with the ball. How was ARod going into the end zone different from Chandon Sullivan's pick 6 a couple weeks ago? Sullivan was laid out, inside the 5 yard line after the INT, and got up to get into the end zone for the score. I think ARod was robbed.
Stroh
October 20, 2020 at 11:58 pm
Don't worry Adams will be invisible again, as usual, as soon as someone signs him to a 2nd contract. Let's pray the Packers don't make that mistake!
jgando12
October 19, 2020 at 07:53 pm
Good: Giving Dillon a chance finally. Wtf are they waiting for? He should have gotten the 1 yard carries in the Minn. game. What did they get him for?
Bad: LaFl and his player’s council may be too soft. Team not ready coming off the bye TWICE.
UGLY: DESERVES ALL CAPS.....PETTINE AND HIS SCHEME ARE MAKING SOME FOLKS WISH FOR CAPERS!!
DO YOU KNOW HOW CRAZY THAT IS?????