The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Packers vs 49ers
Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Green Bay Packers win over the San Francisco 49ers.
By PackerAaron
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Comments (46)
fansince1959
November 06, 2020 at 11:09 am
Good---defense flew to the ball and tackled!
Bad----leaving Aaron jones on the field in the 4th qtr
Ugly---Mvs drops another catchable ball to move the chains
Coldworld
November 06, 2020 at 01:08 pm
The Good: the route by MVS to spring open despite being fouled for his second TD. The play of our deep depth despite rookie errors. The versatility of our O line and playing more Adams and Keke.
The Bad: The number of injuries among our D.
The Ugly: Barnes testing positive for Covid before a game Aon the west coast and a plane ride home.
SpikeHyzer
November 06, 2020 at 05:35 pm
Yeah, I don't know what Aaron is seeing. I thought Keke was flying around last night and it turned out he was our single best graded defender by PFF.
4thand1
November 06, 2020 at 03:44 pm
Yes bad leaving Jones in. I was yelling WTF MLF get him out of there.
RCPackerFan
November 06, 2020 at 11:13 am
Good - Packers
Bad - Refs
Ugly - 49ers backups
Fubared
November 06, 2020 at 11:23 am
Good - a victory
Bad - Rodgers to Adams all night. I like Adams, I also would like the ball spread around more. When Rodgers is sacked its because he is waiting for Adams to get separation. I agree with an analyst who said when a QB and recr are dialed in and the other guys arent getting the ball, they lose interest, not expecting the ball they do a lot of drops too. Sounds familiar.
Ugly - Playing a team that was crippled- not packs fault mind you, you play who you play, but for the fans it was kind of boring. Wins are great but this was a snoozer of a game. We did not play the real 49 ers team and thus nothing about our defense was learned.
Packers1985
November 06, 2020 at 12:11 pm
I dont agree with you about Arod only throwing to Adams. It's simply because the remaining Wr's other than lazard suck at catching the ball. What about Lazard and why he is getting some passes thrown his way because he catches the ball.
Coldworld
November 06, 2020 at 01:10 pm
Hard to catch when you aren’t suited up and hard to take seriously when you clearly don’t watch, listen or follow.
canadapacker
November 06, 2020 at 02:49 pm
Sorry to say this but you have your head up - you know where I am going with this. As I posted after the Vikes game - and I have not looked at this game yet - but we know in the Tampa game - AR tends to go to Adams because he is a great receiver and a great target - but he ignores other open guys. Our other guys do not suck - and our tight ends are top notch and even though MVS dropped a ball - Taylor Shephard ST Brown can all get open and make plays and even touchdowns - when AR gets pressured and when he gets happy feet he looks to Adams and who wouldnt. But MVS stretches the field and that helps Adams - as long as AR looks for him as well I dont have a problem. Now MVS's drop was bad - unlike St Brown's drop - this was an easy catch and being a 3rd down , we dont get to keep marching and with our lousy D - might not get it back without an additional 7 points against us.
buddrow53
November 06, 2020 at 06:37 pm
Adams targeted 12x caught 10 for 173yds 1 td.
all others targeted 18x caught 15 for 132 yds 3 td.
you "fans" need to do a lot more fact checking before you post, too many knee jerk reactionary posts.
Easiest way nfl scores Packer game pdf gamebook look it up a ton of info. then post actuals not pie in the sky or gloom and doom.
Lphill
November 06, 2020 at 11:29 am
Straight to ugly ,Packers defensive back deep cushion , no excuse !
Packers1985
November 06, 2020 at 12:57 pm
Good-Definitely Arod to Adams and finally some tackling by the defense.
Bad-MVS drops and this has been a norm with this guy in the crucial 3rd downs.
Ugly-One more player tested for covid after the game.
Coldworld
November 06, 2020 at 01:11 pm
Drop and 2 TDs, but since you clearly didn’t watch or listen as noted above I’m assuming you are just trolling.
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 03:22 pm
I don't understand why you keep defending the drops by MVS. This is his 3rd year in the league and it hasn't improved, as he's among the league leaders once again. Other players go through a year when they uncharacteristically experience it (Adams, James Jones), but they correct it and get on with their careers. It's just a matter of time when one of his drops will cost us a game(s). He also has a catch rate of 48% over his career. That's pretty horrible with a HOF QB throwing to you. Compare that catch rate to Adams (63.4) and Lazards (70).
canadapacker
November 06, 2020 at 03:42 pm
How many drops did Graham have last year ? I dont know the number but I saw several and I also saw him do it again the other night. Unlike Graham who is a one trick pony - supposedly a big guy in the end zone = MVS has upside. You saw it last night. Now Adams didnt flourish until his third year - MVS needs to keep concentrating and he has some other skills in this scheme with the end arounds etc. Wish people would stop focusing on one or two mistakes and focus on the good plays. For example how many times does he draw coverage like he did against Minnie on one of Adams TD's and the PI in the end zone against Minnie that lead to another TD - and as they say in football - Come on man
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 04:15 pm
And we cut bait with Graham because he was well past his prime, but at least he had a prime.
I'm not sure why you brought Graham up in this discussion, but ok. Let's compare. In Graham's first 3 years he had 215 receptions and 25 TDs. Not bad for a one trick pony. Halfway through his 3rd season, MVS has 82 receptions and 7 TDs.
canadapacker
November 06, 2020 at 04:18 pm
Yes he was good in NO but flopped in both Seattle and with us and now with Chicago - I was talking about his drops with us . Not his resume
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 04:28 pm
And what does his drops with us have to do with MVS?
According to PFF, he had 4 drops in 2 years with GB and one so far with Chi. MVS has had 4 drops just this year alone.
I'm confused as to the connection you're trying to make between the two of them.
canadapacker
November 06, 2020 at 06:36 pm
If you want to be right then you are right. There are drops and there are drops - last night was a drop = easy catch would have extended a drive. Graham did that to us last year. Graham did that to the Bears the other night. MVS made up for it ;ast night. He made up for things against Minnie by drawing coverage and allowing Adams get free for a TD, and by drawing a PI and allowing us to get another TD. Drops are bad and he needs to clean them up but even if he is not targeted he draws coverage and you need to look at the routes he is running and not just write him off due to a few drops. Adams and JJ had drops. Now I am not discussing Grahams resume with NO - good = with Seattle bad with GB bad - I was discussing the drops he had last year - and even the few catches he made but didnt get to the first down marker.
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 07:41 pm
"Now I am not discussing Grahams resume with NO - good = with Seattle bad with GB bad - I was discussing the drops he had last year - and even the few catches he made but didnt get to the first down marker."
Again, I have no idea what that has to do with MVS.
SpikeHyzer
November 06, 2020 at 06:09 pm
Adams and Lazzard were at about 65% last year, which was good for the top 100 (barely, somewhere in the 80s for both).
MVS was 2/3 last night. Rodgers threw one away. Both catches were big plays.
He hasn't yet had that many targets in his career.
If he were to catch his next 100 at 70%, his career average would be in the high 60s, better than Davante.
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 06:08 pm
And if I were to grow 6" in the next year, I could dunk a basketball.
canadapacker
November 06, 2020 at 07:34 pm
Must be an obstinate Vikes fan trolling - can see why he has got this hate of for somebody Geesh
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 07:45 pm
No hate. Just recognizing that MVS is, at best, a borderline NFL talent, regardless of what he accomplished (with yet another drop), against SF's jayvee team.
HighPlainsDrifter
November 07, 2020 at 08:27 am
Actually 13Time, it is obvious that you hate MVS, probably because MVS is Black.
13Time projects himself as a breitbart troll, a bigot the vein of his fellow deplorables.
13TimeChamps
November 07, 2020 at 01:57 pm
This has to be one of the most ignorant comments I've ever heard on here.
Because I'm not on the MVS hype train, I'm a Breitbart lover and a racist? WTF does one have to do with the other? I'm a life long registered Independent who votes Democrat 90% of the time.
Keep your race baiting and political shit off this site.
SpikeHyzer
November 06, 2020 at 06:48 pm
The official catch rate does not matter.
It's not adjusted for uncatchable balls as some advanced stats sites do (and most of which are fantasy related and cost a hefty subscription fee).
It's pretty simple: MVS actually caught 2/3 last night because one was thrown away. That puts him at a respectable 66% for the game and his career average is much better when it is adjusted for uncatchable balls.
He also has more chances on balls thrown over 40 yards in the air and the percent on those is 20% while the catch percentage on balls out to 10 yards is 80% (and he doesn't get many chances in that area).
He's fine. You need a little context. The drop was only bad because it was one of those 80% catches (and he has dropped a few of those this year). His catch percentage on long balls is way higher than league average, however, well above 35%.
13TimeChamps
November 06, 2020 at 07:08 pm
"The official catch rate does not matter."
Right...lol
So MVS is the only receiver that Rodgers throws to that is under 50% catch rate. And that's on Rodgers fault for "uncatchable" balls. Weird how he suddenly can't complete passes when he throws to MVS. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
SpikeHyzer
November 07, 2020 at 03:25 pm
Did you know?:
MVS had the single drop and the other missed target was a throw away by Rodgers.
That means he caught 2 of 3 targets for 66%.
Do you know who caught around 66% last year to barely be in the top 100?
Both Davante Adams and Allen Lazzard, who finished something like 81st and 89th in the league in catch percentage.
MVS is improving. It seemed like a horrible drop but he made up for it in a big way.
Just found a fan writer who has the PFF subscription and put the MVS data out there.
The official NFL stats say that MVS is terrible, catching only 18/37 targets (48.65%).
However, he is only credited with 5 drops and the other 14 were thrown away or bad throws by Rodgers.
On catchable balls, on the season, MVS ios 18/23 for a (nearly) sparkling 78.26%.
Adjusted catch percentage, like adjusted field goal percentage in basketball, needs to become a vital stat.
I'd even be OK with it if the teams themselves want to share THEIR data with the NFL on the 14 balls that weren't caught. I know for a fact that at least 3-4 were flat out bad throws (the QB equivalent of drops). It's probable that the other 10 were a combo of either pressure forcing a bad throw, good defense by the back, or MVS running the wrong route or making some error (unlikely, since he is in for so many snaps and running routes accurately seems critical to this offense and he wouldn't be on the field otherwise).
At most, you'd probably say only a couple of the fails were on MVS, which would change that good percentage only slightly.
UGDR
November 06, 2020 at 03:26 pm
Nags, how can the Packers PFF highest rated defender in last night's game be this week's bad category? Keke disrupted all night. Disappointed that you'd pick the best rated defender as the bad.... Injuries were a slam dunk for the bad... Expecting better next week. ; )
crayzpackfan
November 06, 2020 at 03:50 pm
The good? We won, some stats were padded, no further injuries.
The Bad? The definition of negative reinforcement. Getting desired results in spite of some sort of lacking opposition. We looked amazing and did whatever we wanted, but against what resistance? Careful.
Ugly? My liver and my 7th grade home room teacher. Jesus Christ, the horror!!
SpikeHyzer
November 06, 2020 at 06:11 pm
You got drunk and hooked up with an old teacher?
Nice.
crayzpackfan
November 06, 2020 at 06:29 pm
Lmmfao. No. She was like 78
SpikeHyzer
November 07, 2020 at 03:17 pm
LOL.
When I graduated from HS, my 8th grade English teacher was still under 30 and my HS English teacher was 30.
And I would have hooked up with either when I was almost 40 and at my reunion, because they were still smoking!
crayzpackfan
November 06, 2020 at 10:32 pm
Double post
SpikeHyzer
November 06, 2020 at 05:34 pm
The Good: Everyone played pretty well to get the kind of win they needed.
The Bad: Safety
The Ugly: I'll agree with Aaron because this game doesn't tell us anything.
PS to Aaron: Keke was the single best rated player on the entire defense--not just by position--by Pro Football focus. He had 2 pressure and a QB hit and was super solid against the run. He was flying around with 25 pass rushes in 33 total snaps and I thought he was in position and doing his job.
TheKanataThrilla
November 06, 2020 at 06:33 pm
The Good: 19.6MPH that was the top speed I think MVS hit on his long touchdown. Set your treadmill to that for fun. He has been abused and it was somewhat justified, but you can tell that Rodgers likes the guy. He will likely always frustrate us, but man can the guy fly. Boom or bust.
The Bad: Missed INT opportunities. It was great to get turnovers yesterday, but man we left a few other INTs on the field yesterday.
The Ugly: Injuries and another Covid player. Hopefully we get some bodies back shortly.
The disappointment: We finally get Boyle in the game and give him no chance to show his abilities. Three handoffs with no chance of success and a kneel down was a bit disappointing. Shouldn't we be trying to market this guy soon if Love will eventually be the #2?
Rossonero
November 06, 2020 at 07:58 pm
Good:
-Defense seemed to play better (finally forced a turnover), but let's be honest, that was the 49ers B team out there.
-Nice to see MVS bounce back after two initial drops. Rodgers connection with Adams is pure fire.
-O-line deserves some love, even if the Niners were missing Bosa
Bad:
- Barnes testing positive for COVID
Ugly:
- Josh Jackson. He's really wasting his opportunity to prove he can be a starter in the NFL. He's way too grabby. Let's hope he doesn't leave here like Casey Heyward and play better in a different scheme
SpikeHyzer
November 07, 2020 at 09:38 am
MVS didn't have 2 drops.
One was a bad throw or was thrown away by Rodgers (it wasn't within 5 yards of him and was uncatchable).
His adjusted catch percentage for the game was 66.66%, which would be good enough to finish in the top 85 in the league (and even higher among WRs, especially long ball specialists, as RBs and TEs have 90% of the top 20 catch percentages and WRs rarely catch at rates above 70% for a season, while backs and TEs almost always do, at least among the good ones).
Jackson is the best tackler, including safeties, in the secondary. He's not as bad as everyone thinks, despite a couple of blown plays last night.
Leatherhead
November 07, 2020 at 10:59 am
I think two TD catches is a pretty good contribution in a football game. The drops are infuriating, because he's so freakin' open, and he's so tall and fast that we'd love to see him streaking towards the endzone. If only he'd catchthefrickinball.
I did a check over at pro-football-reference. I looked at the other WRs in his draft class and MVS has done OK. Only about 8 WRs in that draft class have caught more balls, and they were all 1st or 2nd round picks, usually on bad teams.
I agree with your assessment of Jackson. I don't know if he's "the best" but he's a good tackler. Getting guys on the ground is important....those long runs after catch are killer. Because of injuries, we're playing our #3, #4, and #5 CBs a lot. They've held up, including Jackson.
edp1959
November 06, 2020 at 10:34 pm
At least one positive thing came from 1st round pick.
Coldworld
November 07, 2020 at 12:43 am
I presume you mean Lewis’ TD. Love hasn’t yet tested positive. That’s Barnes.
Oppy
November 07, 2020 at 08:14 am
I remember the three years that people with that attitude tried to run Aaron Rodgers out of town before he ever started a single NFL game. Hell, it continued during his first full season as a starter.
It's a short sighted attitude.
mrtundra
November 07, 2020 at 09:19 am
Good: Gotta be Davante, all night long! The best WR in the game, period. Also good: GB gets a mini bye to help people recover from being exposed to Covid.
Bad: Barnes getting injured and then testing positive for Coronavirus
Ugly: I agree with Nags, The NFL for allowing this game to be played, at all. Money, money, money., money, MONEY rules the day instead of concern for the players coming into contact with this killer virus. Shame on you, NFL! You can see a common theme here, in my post.
PAPackerbacker
November 08, 2020 at 06:59 pm
The good - Getting the win against the 49ers in San Francisco
The bad - Risking Jones in the 4th quarter and not coming up with easy interception opportunities
The ugly - More injuries and Barnes testing positive for Covid
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