The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Eagles vs Packers
Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Green Bay Packers win over the Philadelphia Eagles.
By PackerAaron
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Lphill
December 06, 2020 at 09:47 pm
The Good , Rodgers , Adams , the offense overall, the bad some poor tackling and some open receivers out there, the bad MVS and special teams .
murf7777
December 07, 2020 at 07:25 am
Good...don’t have to listen to some fans stating “why didn’t you run the ball on 4th and 1” and Seattle lost.
The Very Good....Aaron Rodgers, it’s amazing to me how he has resurrected his career under MLF offense. I remember 7 years ago when Patriot fans wanted Brady out and all he did was win two more SB’s.
Bad ...nothing, it would be nitpicking.
Ugly...Special or not so special teams.
mrtundra
December 07, 2020 at 08:24 am
MVS dropped a pass, but was a key blocker on Jones's long TD run. He is almost a better blocker than he is a WR.
HankScorpio
December 07, 2020 at 02:05 pm
Make him a guard. They have had injuries to their interior OL.
Demon
December 06, 2020 at 10:03 pm
The good: Big dogs 36 yard reception
The bad; MVS drop of a perfectly thrown 50 yard pass.
The ugly: Menengas mess of special teams
The YGBSM: 4th and 18 TD in the 4th qtr against the prevent D.
croatpackfan
December 07, 2020 at 02:29 am
That throw to MVS was anything but perfect. Look again. MVS Had to stop to wait the ball, what allows defender to close separation MVS made. At the moment MVS was trying to catch the ball, defender bump into him, change his position and that was the reason why MVS drop the ball.
It is unfair and boring to blame others for Aaron Rodgers mistakes, like the one he missed that he had wide open Big Bob in the Colts end zone at the end of the game, what resulted in Packers loss. Or how he use TO because he wants to be "very smart" and get opponent D to jump offsides. Every opponent D knows he will wait till the last moment to snap the ball, and he puts his own protection (O-line) in very difficult position. Or his problem with the throws to the middle of the field, to wide open players.
I agree that MVS has some problems with consistency in the field of catch rate, but many throws from Aaron to him are not "perfectly" thrown balls.
By the way, that last Packers TD was possible because of the beautiful block by MVS. He pushed his opponent out of the field and cleared way for Aaron to score TD.
If you do not believe me, go and watch that pass you called "perfectly" again and tell me I'm not right.
murf7777
December 07, 2020 at 07:31 am
Neither are some of Aaron’s throws to Adams or Lazard’s but they catch them at a much higher rate. No QB sees everything or throws a perfect pass 100% of the time, so receivers are expected to adjust. Arod also recognizes defense with some of the all time greats and throws maybe not right at a receiver so that the D can’t get an INT.
MVS has potential and big play ability, but he needs to become more consistent if he wants to be a starter for long in the NFL.
Coldworld
December 07, 2020 at 09:42 am
We aren’t going to have 4 stand out all round receivers. MVS does things no others can and blocks really well while drawing coverage because he can beat anyone. I happy we have him. We’re he paid as a number one, I get it, but he isn’t. There is also the possibility of improvement. It’s a shame Rodgers hit hit on the other throw to MVS, that might well have been a home run, and defenses know that.
murf7777
December 07, 2020 at 12:05 pm
Very true and I think he makes a good 3rd or 4th WR. I don't see him as a #2, unless he figures out how to run better routes and more consistent with catching the ball. That said, he plays a role and I do notice his blocking ability which is very good. I noticed his block a the end of Jones's run as well. Also, Bak still running at the 5 yard line....good to see!
blacke00
December 07, 2020 at 07:39 am
I agree and noticed the ball was "again" under thrown and also ....late. but it doesn't excuse him completely. I suggest they should try nd get him the ball early. Get him in the game. JerMicheal Finley was like that.
Coldworld
December 07, 2020 at 09:45 am
I agree on the get him in the game early, though he was attracting coverage and we didn’t start all that smoothly.
Demon
December 07, 2020 at 12:02 pm
No problem with you cold, never have had any. My response to coat was intended to be insulting. As the phrase goes, you mess with the bull you get the horns.
I have learned there is no repercussions here for disrespectful posts. It is completely acceptable to call people derogatory names and insult each other. Some here do it pretty much on a daily basis and always have their buddies back them up and tell them how great they are. Since it is acceptable for others I will also if I feel I'm being disrespected.
HighPlainsDrifter
December 07, 2020 at 01:34 pm
You're so dumb that you responded to the wrong comment. Cold's reply to your boorish comment regarding croat is below.
croat did not disrespect you, he simply disagreed with your opinion. Please try to control your xenophobic tendencies.
Demon
December 07, 2020 at 02:52 pm
Move along moron!! Wasnt speaking to you Wannabe clint eastwood pile of sh*t
Demon
December 07, 2020 at 09:40 am
Just go away you idiot. The ball hit the man in the bicep from 50 yards away. I don't know what more you expect a QB to do.
When you are tending your flock of goats, can you accurately hit a wolf with a rock from 50 yards away? That ball was 100% catchable and should have been caught.
I realize that you may not have had a very good view of the game, with the whole village crowded around the only TV in the village. I have to wonder how you were able to see AR's vast shortcomings but not those of anyone else.
Maybe you know as much about American football as I know about Croatian Futbol, Which is NOTHING!
Coldworld
December 07, 2020 at 09:50 am
That’s frankly pathetically insulting and does nothing but make you look bad and devalue your point.
I’m glad to have our international fans. Sometimes they put us to shame, as here thanks to you.
10ve 💚
December 07, 2020 at 09:50 am
I watched that pass, and I'm telling you that you're not right.
1) The pass was right in MVS' catch radius. MVS tried a "body-catch", instead of a hands-catch. If you are a body-catcher, you severely limit yourself. A good hands-catcher would have caught that ball.
2) Rodgers routinely throws difficult catches. Why? Because he wants to make sure that the receiver has a better chance to catch the ball than the defender. Watch how Adams and Tonyan catch the ball with their hands when appropriate.
3) Someone pointed out about "Why Tonyan's non-catch was not getting similar complaints". Well, Tonyan's non-catch was because he did not turn his head early enough on that one throw. Otherwise, his hands are much surer than that of MVS. Tonyan was 4 of 5, MVS was 0 of 2.
4) MVS consistently has the one of the worst if not the worst catch percentages of the regular Packers receivers.
With all that said and done, I still think MVS has a "good role" in the offense. He can stretch the opposing defense with his speed. If he can be a more reliable catcher, then he would have a "great role" in the offense.
croatpackfan
December 07, 2020 at 12:48 pm
" At the moment MVS was trying to catch the ball, defender bump into him, change his position and that was the reason why MVS drop the ball."
This is why I believe (me idiot, you know) MVS drop the pass. Because he was ready to get the ball and at very same moment his body was moved for a inch or two, causing the ball did not land as MVS intended to. The ball fell on his right arm, not in his bosom. I did not said that Aaron have to throw every pass perfectly, but sometimes drop is not only on WR end. I think (like an idiot, you know) that ball was thrown one second late, and it happens in the games.
Also, packers fans are now used to witness exceptional ability in catching balls by Davante. His abilities are unique and special. There is very small number of WR who are able to catch the ball like Davante. Please do not use Davante as standard, because he is not standard.
Regarding Big Bob, he has his share of dropped passes. But, most of his passes he catches almost standing still. He has more drops when he is receiving ball while running...
And honorable mention of Lazard - same as Big Bob. Lazard also have problems when he is catching ball in traffic. Not always, but still...
For me, ESB jumped to get the ball tossed low, but ball pass through his arms like through tunnel. It was also catchable ball on 3rd down (4Q). But nobody are complaining about that.
Well, I will say that these are my opinions. I'm not claiming I know better than many of you here. So, if that makes me idiot, well let's be the idiot, At least one person here will be happy.
Also, thank you for your discussion. I agree with you that there is difference between hands-catcher and body-catcher and that might be MVS problem. Also, I agree completely that Aaron throws difficult balls to catch, but he is very intelligent man and he should understand that MVS is little bit different. Also, I believe that Aaron would throw ball on the right spot if he was not stumbled at the moment of his throw.
One of the best receiver Packers have, Davante Adams, is 2-1 yesterday when Aaron was tossing him the ball down the field more than 30 yards. That also tells something.
P. S. My remarks on me as idiot is my way to answer to Demon, avoiding his nice and gentle personality...
Befuddled
December 07, 2020 at 01:12 pm
After watching the replay it appeared to me that MVS had to slow up a little for the ball allowing the defenders to catch up. That being said he still should have caught it. The pass that went right between St. Browns hands was another one that should have been caught.
Rick5952
December 07, 2020 at 11:31 am
If WR can only catch perfect passes they shouldn't be a WR.
Ryan3468
December 06, 2020 at 10:15 pm
The Good=Packers Offense
The Bad=Defense playing with it’s food.
The Ugly=Special Teams are not even appearing special at all. It’s odd when you laugh at them doing their job, and start assuming they are going to fall apart. Happy for the win, and happy to be a fan of the Packers. Enjoyed seeing this week play out. There is a lot of ball left and the drama of this game shouldn’t be the micro analysis. It’s the big picture. All in all this team is putting things together. Offense looked hot. They need it all to work to get a championship. Good to get these things out and fixed up now. We can only hope for health and a shot at winning another trophy. A hell of a lot more than anyone in our division has in their possible futures. So I’ll take it as an over all plus.
murf7777
December 07, 2020 at 07:36 am
How is the Defense bad when they gave up only 10 points and around 270 yards? Are you seeking perfection? In addition, they had to adjust to Jalen Hurts and a a sped up O on the fly. No easy task in the middle of the game. Unfortunately, they gave up some key drive saving runs by Hurts or 3 point is all they would of gotten. They also ended the game with an INT.
Slim11
December 10, 2020 at 06:37 am
The good...both Aaron’s, the passing attack minus MVS, the o-line, Gary, Savage, Z. Smith and Keke on defense.
The bad...STs and Crosby’s missed XP.
The ugly...STs, punt coverage.
mrj007
December 06, 2020 at 10:35 pm
Good-Aaron Jones TD run was overshadowed by Rodgers 400th TD
Bad- inability of Packers to put teams away after building big leadS
Ugly- tie between Special Teams and MVS drop
*honorable mention to defense- they still don’t tackle the best but are improving and got a pick
4thandinches
December 06, 2020 at 11:00 pm
The good: Bahk running all the way to the end zone on Jones run, Runyan having another quiet night, 23 smothering receivers (except possibly on the 4th down play that shant be named here), Kevin King since his return, the clinic Rodgers put on, moving up to the 2 seed in the NFC, big Bob
The bad: Mennenga apparently messing Crosby up too!?! Preston 'containing' the edge, our young punter's kicking lately, MVS drop
The ugly: our young punter running up and greeting multiple returners taking his punts to the house, late game wide receiver screen passes. Bonus: The Jets
hhsbaseball
December 06, 2020 at 11:03 pm
What did Runyan do? Did he play?
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 12:07 am
No. Thats why his night was so quiet.
Thegreatreynoldo
December 07, 2020 at 07:32 am
Runyan played 5 snaps on special teams.
Scott has to make a better attempt at tackling. that's two weeks in a row. Not even the semblance of being a football player.
Lphill
December 07, 2020 at 08:11 am
The shame of it is Scott should never have to be in a position to have to tackle.
Befuddled
December 07, 2020 at 01:17 pm
Scott should not be put in that position but punters- kickers have been known to stop kick returns from becoming touchdowns. Mason Crosby for one has done it.
4thandinches
December 07, 2020 at 09:05 am
Oops! That's what I get for making an assumption. This does seem like an interesting change. I wonder if it's health related or a result of what they're seeing in practice. Although it's nice to see Wagner play well, I was excited that Runyan might have had another good game...
PatrickGB
December 07, 2020 at 09:26 am
Matt said that the change was made because he felt that Wagner had a history beating their DE.
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 12:10 am
Key word. Punter. Not linebacker. Coverage needs to handle that. Not jk scott. And runyan had a very quiet night. From the bench. Rick wagner did play well though.
Blood-McNally
December 06, 2020 at 11:14 pm
Disagree with blaming Scott for outkicking the coverage. We have a punter and 10 guys who are being paid to put the guy on the ground. Just tackle the guy! It should be easier on a punt than a kickoff since the guys have a running start and a punt goes higher than a kickoff. Rather than putting it on Scott, put it on the special teams unit and/or the coordinator who failed to have them perform.
4thandinches
December 06, 2020 at 11:56 pm
For the record, I didnt say he outkicked his coverage. I said he hasn't been punting well lately and his tackle attempts are ugly.
Ferrari-Driver
December 07, 2020 at 10:03 am
I think he was referring to the "ugly" comment made by Nagler who said in reference to Scott "come on buddy, you;ve got to stop outkicking your coverage".
10ve 💚
December 07, 2020 at 10:17 am
Just as we don't want the QB taking un-necessary hits (thus the slide), we also don't want the Kicker and Punter taking un-necessary risks. We only have one Kicker and one Punter in each team.
JK is not having his best time, but both the punt return TDs should be on the coverage guys. The first punt return TD had most of the coverage guys running along the same North/South line... once the analysis is done, maybe we will see the same thing for yesterday's one too.
jhalwas611.com
December 06, 2020 at 11:27 pm
The Good: The offense at times. Play action, jet motion, shifting keeping the defense off guard
The bad: The Offense and defense, when ahead and trying to run out the clock , with predictable play calls resulting in 3 and outs and soft defenses giving up yardage and field position if not points .
The ugly: Has to be special teams again. Giving up points and field position every week.
badaxed
December 06, 2020 at 11:28 pm
The Good: we escaped with a win
The bad: 4th an 18 reminds me of long ago 4th and 26. Good defenses do not let bad team's back in a game. Fire Pettine.
The ugly: special teams. Once again we start at the two. We give up a td. Poor kick coverage. The opponents kick short daring us to try to get to the 25. This is a bad coached special teams. In order to do well in the playoffs you need all three phases of a team to perform. Poor special teams are hard to overcome
dhamn48
December 06, 2020 at 11:44 pm
I hope they play the film on that 4th down TD again and again. GARBAGE!
And, send Scott down to the Little Sisters of the Poor to learn how to tackle. His misses are embarrassing ... and futile. Do they tell him NOT to tackle?
Doug_In_Sandpoint
December 06, 2020 at 11:47 pm
J.K. Scott is the worst tackling Packer punter I’ve seen. Tim Masthay was undoubtedly the best. But it is unfortunate that our punters need to tackle at all.
Coldworld
December 07, 2020 at 12:10 am
Are you making tackling attempt if you just wave your arms as they pass by? Risible from a pro against whom the stat counts.
jannesbjornson
December 07, 2020 at 04:06 am
Have him watch film of Moorman.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
December 08, 2020 at 08:23 am
Kickers have always been given a pass on tackling and it has always been a sore spot with me. They are team members, team members lay it on the line for "THE TEAM". Period.
Seems to me kickers need to watch some tape of Ole #66.
~Now, go out there and HIT someone. I need a cigar...
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 12:22 am
Good. Besides the obvious. Its so nice to have allen lazard back. It makes mvs drop not a big deal and it opens up the field for guys like eq and tonyan. Keke, dean lowry, i know right! Dean lowry beating his single blocks. Rashan gary and p smith raising hell on wentz. Keke. Amos. Basically the entire d except kirksey. And aaron jones. Not just the highlight run. But the tough runs early on. He had 9 carries for 36 yards at one point. And he earned every one of those first 36. No holes at all. Just hard nosed 4 yrd carries when there was zero holes available. The bad. Kirksey. He just looks too slow out there. Hopefully its fixable with more playing time. The ugly. Also obvious. Need to stay in them lanes. Pop warner football stuff. Jk scott got juked but he shouldnt be in that situation.
jannesbjornson
December 07, 2020 at 04:09 am
He's the safety valve for the punt squad. His responsibility is to make the tackle.
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 11:33 am
Yeah but hes a tall skinny unathletic dude. And hes young and he panicked again. Coverage still has to get there.
murf7777
December 07, 2020 at 07:43 am
Unfortunately, I think this is all we get from Kirksey. I’d like to see Martin starting and Kirksey filling in.
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 05:33 pm
Yeah i rewatched the game and martin was flying around. He will be the future. Hopefully the near futire. Like next week future. If raven greene is out id hope to see more kamal and less redmond.
packerbackerjim
December 07, 2020 at 04:32 am
Good: Gary applying pressure and pursuit all game.
Bad: Special Teams trending badly.
Ugly: The second- and third-to-last drives. 6 plays, 2 total yards, 3 minutes elapsed.
PAPackerbacker
December 07, 2020 at 12:51 pm
The good - Rodgers, Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, the OL. and the TE's. Pass rush
The bad - Not committing to a full 60 minutes of football, both offense and defense, and protecting a lead.
The ugly - Fourth and 18 TD followed by a punt return for yet another TD. Another big drop by MVS.
edp1959
December 07, 2020 at 05:17 am
Good: With this offense the Packers can beat any team.
Bad: With this defense the Packers can lose to any team.
Ugly: Special Teams. Nothing else needs to be said.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
December 08, 2020 at 08:43 am
Did someone say, "Defense" ?
I agree with this post. The linebacking D on short passing plays need 1. Linebacking coach, 2. Some better talent, and 3. Hit with some authority, (put your damn shoulder in them and DRIVE with legs.) Finish the damn tackle, make them fear coming your way again. there is way too much whimpy arm tackling going on.
Seems to me ole #66 knew a thing or two about tackling.
~Now, go out there and HIT someone. I need a cigar...
stockholder
December 07, 2020 at 07:23 am
The Good: OL - Wagner getting off the bench. Why pay him, if you don't play him? The Bad- The slow start. The ugly- Special Teams, Kirksey - Way to slow for a ILB.
egbertsouse
December 07, 2020 at 07:33 am
Good: Rodgers in quarters 1-3
Bad: 4th quarter Rodgers. Having to waste time outs; desperately, embarrassingly, and unsuccessfully trying to get an offsides with the hard count; getting out of rythmn by running around playing hero ball. Thank heavens for AJ being there to bail out Rodgers.
Ugly: Mennenga’s ironically named special teams
jurp
December 07, 2020 at 02:48 pm
I wish Rodgers would do a "fake" hardcount - actually snapping the ball when the defense thinks he's trying for an offsides could actually be a weapon, catching the defense off by a step. Do it enough and then an actual hardcount might work. Obviously, this would have to worked out with the offense in advance...
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 05:44 pm
Rodgers on that 3 and out canned 2 plays in a row and they both failed. Then threw a pass away. But with that being said. We would be 3 and 9 at best with tim boyle. Maybe 5 n 7 or 6 n 6 with say a game manager type guy like bridgewater. This defense bailed us out at the end wit the stop when it was 23 16. Then aj had the run to get us over the top. But rodg gets us there. And if we win the big one, hes the reason. If we lose the big one or a playoff game, odds are hes not the reason.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
December 08, 2020 at 09:08 am
The Good: Squeeked out a win. And the Bears lost (always love when the Bears lose.)
The Bad: MVS, Special teams and defensive linebackers on short passing plays.
The Ugly: Discipline! How is it you are up by 20 in the 4th and you allow them back in the game. Blood was squirting from my ears when I saw all the celebrating, laughter and high-5ing WITH 10:30 left to play in the game. This sh^t needs to get straightened out, YOU PLAY TO THE END, :00.
~Now, go out there and HIT someone. I need a cigar...
PAPackerbacker
December 07, 2020 at 12:56 pm
Hit the nail on the head with this one. No discipline is a perfect description of team play on defense when protecting a lead.
Packers0808
December 07, 2020 at 08:08 am
Bad ST. Return for TD on punt!~ Good {I Hope} MVS drop didn't bring any death threats this time! AR to Adams unstoppable it seems!
4thand1
December 07, 2020 at 08:35 am
Good , AR, DA, O-line, Bahk almost beating jones to the end zone.
Bad, 4th and 18, no excuse.
Ugly, Special teams AGAIN, C'MON MAN.
LombardiSince65
December 07, 2020 at 10:21 am
The Ugliest of the Ugly: Little Boy Scott afraid of the big Man running along the sideline and unable/unwilling to even attempt to make a tackle. I thought the game was football, not hand tag.
mbpacker
December 07, 2020 at 11:54 am
The Good: We won. Rodgers, Adams, Jones, Bak running down the field, D and O lines.
The Bad: Just can't stop the 3rd or in this case 4th and long.
The Ugly: Special teams( Scott), not finishing strong!
Fubared
December 07, 2020 at 01:14 pm
The good, again this week we faced a team with no quarterback so that made it a lot easier
The Bad, lack of secondary speed and no coverage help from linebackers
The Ugly, clinging to the hope St Brown and MVS will become receivers some day with hands to actually catch two balls in a row. Throw in Lazard who all of a sudden looks clumsy out there.
Thegravedigger
December 07, 2020 at 05:30 pm
So the packers did nothing good yesterday? According to you. And wtf are you talking about secondary speed? Where do you come up with this shit? Amos jaire and savage were all over the field. Especially jaire. Again this is the 2nd time you called the dbs slow. Are you sure you are watching the packers?? I hope you are born a jets fan in the next life. At least you are right consistently about one thing: your a fucking pain. Is that the point? I hear u on mvs man. He is frustrating. But the shit about the dbs has to stop. Cus its nonsense.
TheKanataThrilla
December 07, 2020 at 03:56 pm
The Good: Effort. Nothing makes me happier than to see players on my team playing with passion. Jones on some of his tough runs earlier in the game. Bakh, MVS and Big Dog on the Jones TD. Davante on his second touchdown. Lots of hard work and effort.
The Bad: That I can never feel safe that we have the game in the bag. Prevent Offense, Prevent Defense and WTF we call our special teams when we are protecting a lead. Why not keep on playing what got you the lead in the first place?
Ugly: That my high school football team covered a punt better than that TD and we sucked. Just awful, did they think that the Eagles were just going to hand us the game? Never a fan of firing coaches mid-season, but I would certainly like to say "see ya" to Mennenga.