Hello Wisconsin: This Roster is Already Set Up to Contend
A special post-draft edition of Hello Wisconsin.
By TimBackes
When the 2021 season ended, I had some pretty significant doubts that the Packers would be able to put themselves into equally as good of a position to contend for a Super Bowl in 2022 as they’d enjoyed for 2020 and 2021.
Coming out of the 2022 draft, I would still say the roster is not as good (on paper, at least) as it was this past January.
But given the state of the rest of the conference and how the Packers have managed to build a roster to this point, this should once again be looked at as a team with Super Bowl or Bust aspirations.
In January, I wrote the Packers should move on from Aaron Rodgers and use the available finances to build the roster of the future. The Packers, clearly, did not do this. They managed to keep much more of the team in place than I expected, and did so by kicking the can that is the salary cap down the road to future years. The longer Rodgers plays for the Packers the more his deal constrains the team, so winning now is more crucial than ever.
With Rodgers back, the team’s chances of winning a title remain as high as they’ve ever been in his tenure. Offensive line continues to be a strength even with a lot of shuffling, and a strong unit is going to get stronger with the return of a finally healthy David Bakhtiari, the eventual return of a healthy Elgton Jenkins, the development of a healthy Josh Myers and the addition of Sean Rhyan, not to mention a variety of other young players in the position group who stand to add depth and make big jumps.
The Packers return the best one-two punch in football at running back, and have tight ends that could at least be serviceable and, depending on the continued progression of Robert Tonyan and Josiah Deguara, could be quite good.
It’s the receiver position that is the big question mark, but without Davante Adams tunnel vision, Rodgers will be forced to spread the ball around more. There’s not going to be a star at the position, but the offense may hum a bit more smoothly. That’s about the only silver lining of not having the all-world Adams back on the roster.
The defense really only lost one major contributor in Za’Darius Smith, and he wasn’t even really on the team for the entire 2021 season. In getting back Jaire Alexander at full health and als adding players like Quay Walker, Devonte Wyatt and Jarran Reed, the Packers have beefed up their front seven and improved the middle of the field. The improvement to the defensive line in particular has been a long time coming.
At this point, the Packers have seven first-round picks starting on defense, and the other four are an All Pro (De’Vondre Campbell), someone who could easily be an All Pro (Adrian Amos), a Pro Bowl caliber player (Preston Smith) and a solid role player (Dean Lowry).
If Joe Barry and the Packers can’t achieve success with this defense, then it is a massive failure. Brian Gutekunst has done a tremendous job of acquiring talent. Now the coaches and players need to do their jobs.
Finally, the Packers should be significantly better on special teams in 2022 (not that that’s a high bar to clear). The hire of a widely respected special teams coach in Rich Bisaccia combined with the drafting of several players in late rounds who are clearly meant to be there for special teams purposes indicates the Packers have finally started taking that unit seriously (better late than never?).
Ultimately, if you’re a Packer fan, you have to feel good about what the team accomplished in this draft. More than any draft I can remember the team having, this draft filled existing holes on the roster and provided multiple players with a chance to be immediate key contributors.
Gutekunst and Russ Ball have done a better job than I ever could have anticipated of building a roster that can contend once again, even with all of the cap hurdles they had to overcome. They have had to work creatively and give up a lot of future flexibility to be able to get to this point.
Once again, the front office has built a team that can win in January. Once again, it falls on the team’s best players to not fall apart under the pressure.
Wisconsin Beer of the Week
There’s a lot about the craft beer movement right now that I really love. I love the experimentation of styles, and the willingness to go beyond the traditional classifications of beer to find new flavors and ingredients.
But lately, as much as I love them, I just have gotten a little bit bored of all the fruited sours and hazy IPAs flooding the markets. I find myself turning more and more toward lagers and more traditional German-style beers. That’s not to say anything against the other styles, I just think I overloaded on them for a bit and now my palate is in search of beer that’s a bit more traditional.
As such, when I was out at the liquor store recently, one of the newest beers from Lakefront Brewery in Milwaukee caught my eye. It’s called Bierzeit, and it’s a traditional kolsch.
Here’s the description from Lakefront:
“Bierzeit, literally translating to ‘beer time,’ is that moment to unwind after an honest day’s work. This German-style ale deftly balances crackery Pilsner malt and sharp noble hops in an easy-drinking, crisp-finishing brew.”
No frills about this one. It’s just a good light, crisp beer that goes down extremely smooth. It’s got a very pleasant and drinkable flavor, unlike some pilsners or Kolschs that can occasionally develop a bit of a harsh aftertaste. It’s a beer for all occasions; grilling, post-chores, kickin’ it with your friends or drinking it with pizza (or basically any other food). At just 4.8 percent it’s a beer you can drink all day, with a significantly better flavor than your usual macro pilsners.
So for those of you who yell at me about my beer selections, this one’s for you!
Lots of potential offensive line competition
With a significant influx of young players along the offensive line over the last couple years, there’s going to be a lot of competition for starting jobs. Really at this point, the only guaranteed slots to start the year while Jenkins is out go to Bakhtiari at LT and Myers at C. Everything else? Up for grabs.
The presumptive starter at one of the guard positions would figure to be Jon Runyan Jr., who played consistently well in 2021. But other contenders are going to be Rhyan, Zach Tom and Royce Newman. Newman started off his rookie year well but was getting exploited by the middle of the year and was a liability on the field. Rhyan is probably the favorite based on pedigree, but you never know what to expect out of a rookie until they are actually on the field.
Meanwhile, the right tackle position is also wide open. Rhyan or Tom could potentially play tackle, but the Packers also have Yosh Nijman, who played well in relief of Bakhtiari in 2021.
It’s going to be very interesting to see who comes out of camp as the favorites for each of the starting positions, and then how those positions shift once Jenkins returns (presumably back in his old left guard spot). Once again, the Packers have plenty of options along the offensive line.
Darnell Savage optioned by Packers
The last several years, the Packer fandom has generally expected Darnell Savage to take a big leap forward and become a premier player at the position. In 2020 it seemed like he had really broken through by the end of the year, and I even saw a potential Nick Collins-like trajectory for him in his growth.
However, the 2021 season was a major step back. He was one of (if not the) worst starters on the defense, routinely grading out poorly and getting exploited in coverage. He still plays fast, but was often out of position and mismatched in coverage.
His decline was so precipitous that there began to be some thoughts that the Packers might not exercise their fifth-year option on Savage, a thought that had been unthinkable the year prior.
Ultimately, though, the Packers decided to use their fifth-year option on Savage. A major factor in this decision was likely the fact that the contract of Adrian Amos expires after this season, and the Packers didn’t want to have to make a decision on both of their safeties in the same offseason.
It was a little surprising to me that the Packers released this information right before the draft rather than waiting to see how the draft played out. This could mean the Packers didn’t intend to take a safety high, or it could simply mean that they wanted to give a public endorsement of Savage as someone they believe in at the position. OR, it could mean absolutely nothing at all.
Regardless, this is going to be a very big year for Darnell Savage. If he plays to his potential, he might get a big contract extension after this season and make a potential parting of ways with Amos a little more palatable for a Packers team that is hesitant to give big contracts to players after they turn 30. So in a sense, there’s at least a possibility that Savage’s performance this year will influence the Packers’ decision on BOTH safeties.
At the very least, this is Savage’s fourth year in the league, and if a takeoff is going to happen, it needs to happen quickly. Savage has had plenty of game time in the league, and now it’s time to take that experience combined with his athleticism and turn it into elite safety play.
The anticipation of May in Wisconsin
This is always one of my favorite times of year in Wisconsin. May has begun, the grass is green once again, there are buds on the trees and bushes, flowers are budding, the weather is getting warmer, and the city of Milwaukee is coming back to life.
When people ask me why I continue to live in a state that has miserable weather at least half of the year, I always talk about how great summer in the state is. Because it’s the best.
Things I’m looking forward to this year:
- Patio beers and beer gardens
- Outdoor live music
- Summerfest and other festivals
- Going “up north” and spending some time on the lake
- Taking my kids to the local park and playgrounds
- Grilling out multiple times a week
- Sitting out on my deck reading until it’s too dark to see the pages of my book
- Fireflies
What are you most looking forward to about the next four or five months?
Into the offseason news desert
We are about to enter into the toughest part of the NFL offseason. Outside of minicamps in late May and early June, the next two and a half months will be very quiet on the Packers news front.
I remember growing up, this was always the toughest part of year as a football fan, as my content intake was basically limited entirely to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel sports section. Every now and then there might be a small article in the back of the sports section, but for the most part you’d have to settle for knowing you were limited to NBA and baseball news.
At least the NBA playoffs are interesting; once the finals are done, the final month/month and a half before the NFL begins is nothing but disgustingly boring baseball.
These days we are fortunate enough to have a constant churn of content from all over the internet. Whether you’re interested in tape breakdowns, historical takes, predictions or some low-hanging fruit, you’ll find it online.
But make no mistake; by the time July hits, we’re going to be starved for football, to the point where watching an entire preseason game actually sounds appealing (at least until you’ve done it once).
Until then… we’ll see you here at CHTV.
Seeking additional Cheesehead Origins subjects
While I’m on this one-week break from Cheesehead Origins to talk draft and Packers news, just a quick note that I am once again looking for people to feature in the Origins column.
If you’re interested in taking part or have someone who you would like to recommend to be featured in the series, please give me a heads up in the comments or connect with me on Twitter at @timbackes.
It’s been great to hear so many people’s fan origin stories and to share their love of the Packers!
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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.
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Comments (137)
NickPerry
May 05, 2022 at 06:24 am
"We are about to enter into the toughest part of the NFL offseason. Outside of minicamps in late May and early June, the next two and a half months will be very quiet on the Packers news front."
SO...If the writers here at CHTV write a piece on something we've already commented on several times since the end of last season, PLEASE save the negative comments about it being the same thing...Nothing new here...Didn't we read about Aaron Rodgers 3 times last week? Just why even go there?
Look, everyone is entitled to express their opinions. But like Tim said, Nothing is going to be happening. So when we read about Christian Watson's potential, or what drafting a Quay Walker and Devonte Wyatt will mean for this defense, APPRECIATE we have something to read, and it's about the Green Bay Packers!!
ReaganRulz
May 05, 2022 at 07:12 am
Agree. Some people get touchy if you happen to make a comment on something they wrote months ago. Like most of us can remember every little detail of every article or comment. It’s all good!! Most of us come from a good place!!
Excited about the 2022 season!!
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 07:17 am
LOL!
I was just gonna say: “In other news, the Brewers beat the Reds last night, 18-4, and the Milwaukee Bucks continue in their quest to repeat as NBA Champions when their Conference Semi Finals series against the Boston Celtics resumes on Friday.”
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:19 am
Ugh I’d rather read about the potential of trading Jordan Love than talk baseball greengold :p
croatpackfan
May 05, 2022 at 07:40 am
Contrary to you "Ugh I’d rather read about the potential of trading Aaron Rodgers than talk baseball greengold :p"
I know this is not popular here, but what the hell.
I really prepared myself on long wait for the begining of TC. To read and see how rookies fare, what to expect from experienced players, do number of 2nd & 3rd years players finaly grow to the excellent players, who will be Packers kicker and/or punter, holder, LS and who will become new fans darling...
Unitl than, I'm sure we will discuss about unknown and share our views on situation(s) with the roster...
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 12:18 pm
When do the Fans get Traded?
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 07:42 am
So true GG….we are now into the dead zone!
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 09:18 am
LOL Maybe not as dead as previously expected.
VOLUNTARY MINICAMPS
AR: “Yeah. Uh…. I’m not doin’ that.”
GB DRAFTS WATSON, DOUBS, TOURE
AR: “Good morning, Matt. Yeah, uh, just got out of the shower & I’m on the first thing smokin’ outta here!”
Johnblood27
May 05, 2022 at 07:55 am
In other news, it seems as if the GBP aren't having a change of philosophy on safety size and scheme...
https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-packers/tariq-carpenter-position-chan...
still gonna be a 'hybrid', but IL room has gotta mean something. Maybe just that he has been training as a safety and to be an NFL hybrid he needs to know more of what is expected from an ILB?
ST is still his meal ticket if he is to make the 53.
Coldworld
May 05, 2022 at 06:45 pm
He’s really not agile or flexible to the degree one looks for in a deep safety. He was mostly in the box and considerably better there. At his weight, he’s growing to a point where cover ILB is a better projection long term. In the mean time: STs.
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:17 am
Comments calling out repetitive articles shall not be allowed with the exception of any article written that discusses QB trades. In such cases such negative comments shall not only be allowed but encouraged. Writers of such articles shall be ran out of town without being given the opportunity to grab any cheese curds, brats, or beers on their way out, to serve a period of exile to extend to the conclusion of the first preseason game. Upon their return from exile the writer shall be allowed to contribute an article dealing solely with the facts of how the preseason game went while enduring a gentle ribbing from the CHTV faithful on how wrong their analysis is about everything.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 07:20 am
Well. That got some legs. “No cheese curds for you!”
ROFLMAO. Nicely done, Rarescope.
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:27 am
Thanks man trying to contribute a little more here I’ve definitely been doing 1000% more reading of comments than commenting- especially during the draft season since I’m not a draftnick nor do I watch much college football outside of the bowl games. Certainly helps to pass the off-season though!
NickPerry
May 05, 2022 at 06:34 am
"It’s the receiver position that is the big question mark, but without Davante Adams tunnel vision, Rodgers will be forced to spread the ball around more. There’s not going to be a star at the position, but the offense may hum a bit more smoothly."
THIS has been my hope since the Packers traded Adams. Hell, truth be told, probably since that 3rd down pass into triple coverage to end the Packers season. All offseason I've had that image they posted here on CHTV where we saw Lazard in the middle of a snowy Lambeau Field, without a 49er with 15 yards of him, and a horrible pass to Adams into triple coverage.
Like "The Catch II" in 1998 (They should call it the Rice fumble that wasn't called), or the 2007 game with Favre's last throw going to Webster, or the 2014 meltdown, I still CAN'T watch those games. My hope in 2022 is this team and Aaron Rodgers play run the MLF scheme the way it's meant to be run. Hell, lets give it a try, perhaps we can still get a few more Lombardi Trophies out of Rodgers right arm with the running game from hell and a nasty, NASTY Defense.
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 07:42 am
NP…..I still can’t get Lazards running across the middle wide open out of my head….damn, why did you bring it back up….lol. I agree, we will be fine at WR next year. I’m also happy to hear Rodgers saying he will take part in some of the voluntary activities. Thank god he’s single again:)
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
May 05, 2022 at 08:40 am
The even sadder part is EQ was wide open on the corner route too. Rodgers had 3 receiving options on that play and he threw to the only one who was covered smh.
PeteK
May 05, 2022 at 09:37 am
We could easily have 7 players with 40 or more receptions next season: Lazard, Cobb, Watkins, Jones, Dillon, Tonyan, Dequara. There will certainly be times when good defenses will have these solid receivers blanketed, but a very good running game and O line should more than make up for it. While the O line was good last season, it will have to be very good this season. That improvement might be key to to having a very good and well balanced offense.
Packers1985
May 05, 2022 at 03:00 pm
Agreed that No12 struggles a lot with Davante Vision and also spreading the ball makes this team even more dangerous in the regular season. But coming to playoffs we definitely need an alpha Wr to win the Super bowl.
We can see this from all the recent super bowl winners those all teams have an alpha receiver except for that i don't have any concerns with this team or i doubt their potential to make it to the playoffs.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 07:09 am
Really great stuff Tim, as always. I like the potential we see in front of us this year, 100%. That, in itself, I find a little surprising after how last season ended. There was a lot of uncertainty at that time.
Amazing to me Gutekunst’s handling of the Davante Adams exit, and the resulting positive impact. Impressive is an understatement. Talk about optimizing!
I’m encouraged about both the Packers future, AND their chances this season. Unexpectedly so, but I like it. Those 3 WRs… nice talent infusion. Same for the D side adds.
A lot of stuff looks to have gone right for this team. Hoping for the best.
GPG
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:25 am
We did get a lot of good out of the Adams trade didn’t we? Tough to lose a player of his caliber but it’s not baseball, he can’t step up to the plate and just hit a home run for us to win the game all by himself.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 07:51 am
Yeah Rarescope. That thought just occurred to me this morning. Where would we be had Gutekunst & Co. not tagged Davante? The landscape would certainly look very different. Just some masterful work by him, really.
I listened to his post draft presser yesterday, and Gutekunst mentioned it was the 24th draft that he’s been involved in… that kind of hit me square between the eyes.
“I think this is my 24th draft, overall, and I think it’s certainly a part of the job that I love the most.”
We’re really fortunate to have him as our GM.
He seems to be putting all the newly found puzzle pieces together. Maybe he finds another under the couch or something along the way to finish it off…
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 07:49 am
Actually, Cooper Kupp just did. You must have multiple play makers on both sides of the field to win the big one and losing Adams is going to be tough to replace. I believe they replace him by spreading amongst all pass catchers. Being Rodgers is 7-0 without Adams I suspect it won’t be a Hugh loss as it would to a team without such a great QB.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 07:53 am
Great points, murf. The talent is there, all around Rodgers to succeed.
PeteK
May 05, 2022 at 09:52 am
Run for 3/4, pass for 5/6. It could certainly be like baseball's small ball: singles, BB, hit and run, bunting with very good defense can certainly win championships
HarryHodag
May 05, 2022 at 06:46 am
Assumptions.
It's a key word during the off season. Fans tend to assume things will stay the same as the year before. I generally like the make up of the team now. But things often can change in a year.
Assumption#1: Aaron Rodgers will be Aaron Rodgers again. We hope he will but maybe not. He's a year older.
Assumption#2 All the other teams in the division will stay the same. This is an assumption that I think is off base. I've been putting out a warning flag about the Lions for awhile. Don't assume they're the bottom of the pile much longer. And as much as this makes me want to throw up in my mouth, don't think the Vikings are going to be walkovers either. Mike Zimmer had a talented team that couldn't push it forward. The new administration might. I doubt the Bears will turn around(even with Packers free agents-coaches). They will still suck.
Assumption#3 The special teams problems will be fixed. ST cost the Packers dearly last season. It takes awhile to put that together the right way.
Assumption#4 The run game will just be good. It should be, but the other teams have a couple of years of recordings to watch now. Those are professionals too, and they're smart.
Assumption #5 The defense will be great. Possible. Likely gone are the days of easy running against the front 7, but we'll see.
Assumption #6 The new receivers will make the difference. Watkins is a veteran but injury prone. Watson is a rookie. Amari Rodgers hasn't shown much. Lazard might well be the top receiver. Tight end looks less than overwhelming.
Assumption#7 The new coaching alignment will be as good as 2021. I don't know. The Packers lost a lot of talent among the coaches.
Assumption#8 Many people will not like this post. Que sera, sera.
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:10 am
I’m also a little concerned about coaching losses but hopefully they left enough influence on our program around that their success lingers.
I’m also not that concerned. We sure don’t hear much about the Belacheck lineage that much anymore.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 07:27 am
I dig it, Harry. The calming voice of reason with all the big waves rolling… Well said.
Regardless, I’m more encouraged about our chances today than I thought I’d be a few months ago.
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 07:58 am
GG….after FA and the draft, it’s hard to find holes on this team. There are some, you have to dig deep to find them thou. The more I study the draft, I really think Gutey just drafted his best yet. Of course, time will tell, some will be busts.
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 12:52 pm
It looked more like the floor show from Nieman-Marcus than the typical "say what?" Garage Sale of drafts from the past. Last year he hit for the cycle with the exception of Amari at the three pick. See if he shows anything during Summer Camp.
Guam
May 05, 2022 at 07:40 am
HH: I am very hopeful the coaching staff will be better this year. The combo of Lafleur, Hackett and Getsey were poor (at best) at making in-game adjustments over the last three years. I am hopeful the new trio will be better able to adjust their game plan in the face of unexpected defenses - they certainly can't be much worse.
On the positive side, the change in special team's coaches is a massive upgrade and having the defensive coaches in place for their second year will create better continuity for the defense.
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 08:25 am
Guam, those are good points, in-game adjustments need improvement and hopefully we are going to fix the ST’s. Mlf is a great coach, but I really wished he would’ve worked under Belichick for a few years. He’s the mastermind of in-game adjustments.
Guam
May 05, 2022 at 09:23 am
Amen, Murf!
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 12:33 pm
It's all about preparation. You still need the Playmakers to change course in a game and a stable group for the O line. The Pack has been out of rhythm the past couple of years with the Line. Moved some marginal players out the door( a year late for some) and brought in people who hopefully know how to play the Game and are Smart enough to make In-Game adjustments.
TimBackes
May 05, 2022 at 07:41 am
This is al valid! That's the beauty of this time of the offseason, we don't know anything and get to hang on to some hope for a bit :)
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 07:53 am
Your assumptions are right on. The reality is every team has holes to fill and you only have hope that in FA and the Draft you filled them to the top. Only time will tell. That being said, on paper, I believe this is the most complete team I’ve seen the Packers have had since 2005. They have stars in all the right places to win it all.
croatpackfan
May 05, 2022 at 08:17 am
Harry, I read your comment carefuly. You are, by my opinion right in all points except the last, #7.
The new coaching alignement is not the same as in 2021. By my opinion this is good thing. While concept might be the same, new, different ideas are aleays welcome. That is the surprise factor for oponents and new things for players to learn.
Even if those new looks and ideas will not be that good as old, they might pass, because nobody will expect them...
Otherwise I agree with your thoughts.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
May 05, 2022 at 08:30 am
I thought it was a great post Harry!
PeteK
May 05, 2022 at 11:23 am
IMO out of all the main aspects of the game special teams is the easiest to fix. Also, an opposing team can watch film of our dominant/versatile runners and O line for days, but they will have to adjust by putting more men in the box and we know what a HOF QB can do even with mediocre WR. We were good last season with Bak, Jenkins, and Myers out and a rookie G. This season we could just pile drive(Dillon) and finesse (Jones) to a championship. This is reminds me of something long ago, but I can't put my finger on it. LOL
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 12:57 pm
When they Win Championships, they have a Fullback on the team. You want a power game, you need the rhinos.
Lphill
May 05, 2022 at 06:49 am
special teams ended the Packers season last year regardless of who was open and who wasn't .But many fans still want to blame Rodgers.
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:02 am
Team sport equals team loss. Blame the team not the players.
Untylu1968
May 05, 2022 at 07:09 am
Does it have to be one or thee other? I'd say blame on both is warranted..
Rarescope
May 05, 2022 at 07:21 am
Well the team is made up of players so by blaming the team you are blaming the players you just don’t look like a non-empathetic jerk when you do it ;)
Coldworld
May 05, 2022 at 07:29 am
You forgot the coach.
Johnblood27
May 05, 2022 at 07:36 am
coaches were NOT without blame for that debacle last year... just sayin'...
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 01:00 pm
Nor were the Fans in the Stands. He had to go into cheerleader mode again. Just a group of assimilators seating on the aluminum benches.
Johnblood27
May 05, 2022 at 03:07 pm
give the fans a break, they were probably on their phones trying to get the latest from packers.com!
croatpackfan
May 05, 2022 at 08:25 am
Lphill, who is guilty punting unit was buried inside 20 yards from Packers endzone? Who is guilty that D was almost whole 2nd half on the field? Who is guilty for forcing his throws to double/triple covered player? who is guilty for 55 yards in whole half? Who is guilty for numerous 3 and outs? Who is guilty for producing only 10 points in the whole game (or 13 points if Mason Crosby scored that FG)?
After answering on this questions, you'll be able to find answer.
MainePackFan
May 05, 2022 at 10:39 am
Croat, it is fair to criticize Rodgers for his performance, but how you can not acknowledge how poorly the offensive line was in the second half ? It seems somewhat disingenuous to opine critically about one players poor performance, without pointing out the contributing factors that may have affected that performance.
The 55 yards you speak of was not solely because Rodgers was constantly missing open receivers or throwing to the wrong receiver. Does he deserve his share of the blame in the loss? Absolutely!!!
MVP QB or not, if you are under fire on every play because your oline was a sieve, your performance will be less than an MVP level. That's the simple truth.
As many have mentioned in here, that was a team loss, and everyone has to accept their share of the blame. Including Rodgers. Those who need to make it only about Rodgers is reflective of their personal disdain for the man.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 10:38 am
Perfection. Nicely put MainePackFan!
Coldworld
May 05, 2022 at 06:57 pm
Duplicate
Coldworld
May 05, 2022 at 06:56 pm
It was in part Rodgers, but less than often claimed I believe. I would say it was more special teams and LaFleur getting personnel wrong, not using the run play enough and not being able to adjust. Ultimately, STs is on LaFleur too. It should never have hit that far with Drayton. If Rodgers was too fixated on Adams, the HC has options to fix that. If he can’t or won’t, acquiescence to failure is really more on him than Rodgers.
blondy45
May 05, 2022 at 01:46 pm
Croat, the answer Is AARON RODGERS. He is the best regular season QB Green Bay has ever had. The post season shows a very unfavorable non-MVP QB. I am hoping since the tunnel vision has gone away, this could be Rodger's best year if he can adjust. It is still hard to teach an old dog the new tricks. Hopefully by the time the play-offs start, Rodgers will have had the time and the want to adjust. I am betting he will come through for the Pack. Also, Defense wins championships. The defending Super Bowl champion Rams had a good offensive, but a great defense. The former Lion QB Stafford adjusted well, but the defense is what the Rams hung their hat and Super Bowl title on.
Johnblood27
May 05, 2022 at 03:10 pm
there were numerous areas that could have been better executed in that game.
coaching
line-up selection
qb play
special teams
injury - both before the game(Bakh) and during - dillon
fans weren't loud enough at the right times... lol
someone forgot to tell the niners (washington generals?) that they were supposed to lose? lol
P-lenty to go around!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
May 05, 2022 at 08:44 am
Because it shouldnt have come down to special teams. When youre the "MVP" and you cant manage more than 53 yards in the 2nd half of a home playoff game, you dont deserve to win. When you have the ball with the lead late in the 4th qtr and all you need are a few 1st downs to ice the game but go 3 n out, you dont deserve to win. A championship team gets the first downs and finishes the game taking knees. Pretenders leave it up to their punt team backed up in their own endzone.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 09:29 am
Whoosh. Truth.
I’m done looking backwards, hoping like hell LaFleur did a full & complete self scout, and we can leave 2021 in the dust.
“ALL GAS. NO FUCKING BRAKE.” — Matt LaFleur
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 10:23 am
Pump the brakes GG! I shared this before but I must share it again. My uncle whom shall remain nameless was addicted to brake fluid. We had an intervention finally as a family. He got up about 3/4 through the emotional dialogue, grabbed the door knob, turned around and slyly said, "don't worry you all, I can STOP any time ".
His twin bro (my other "normal" uncle) was addicted to the Midwestern, sawdust flying polka...he FINALLY joined a 2-STEP program.
Moral of the story:. All Gas and no f'in brake is fine...but someone better be in control of the STEERING WHEEL. Which brings me to my step-brother who thought he had a steering wheel in his pants. I kept on getting on him for this odd predicament. He said, stop..."it's DRIVING ME NUTz". Well, that made sense...
Go, go, good...
PeteK
May 05, 2022 at 11:48 am
LP, that's because even with a ST debacle, Rodgers ( an MVP and one of the highest paid players) had the ball with a chance to win and threw the ball to a dbl covered WR with others wide open underneath and decent protection. A decision more akin to a pedestrian QB. Take that play away and the blame falls squarely on the ST. Legends make plays that win championships when given the chance.
Leatherhead
May 05, 2022 at 09:42 pm
The Packers have played 61 post season games. In 57 of them, they scored more than 10 points. This was a HISTORICALLY BAD offensive output. We’ve lost all 4 games when we couldn’t get more than that. You don’t get to say “special teams” lost the game when you are historically bad.
pack69go
May 06, 2022 at 10:20 pm
It was a team effort to loose although, I think the "D" played championship football in that game!
Packers0808
May 05, 2022 at 07:31 am
The loss of Adams could very well end being a blessing in disguise!
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 07:35 am
Tim, I believe you were contradictory in the article. You start out by saying this isn’t as good a team as the last two, at least on paper and then you progress and explain many reasons why they are better.
I would say they are definitely better on paper than last year and by quite a bit of a margin. Not only do they have stars coming back from injuries, added three FA’s to positions of needs, and they have added many draft picks with three in the top 34 picks (Gutey has been money in the first two rounds) and ten picks in total in a draft that was the deepest in the history due to covid. Also, don’t forget the UDFA’s. Lastly, the roster will still get addition(s) before the fist game.
Yes, they lost Adams, but he will be replaceable by spreading the ball around more and hopefully the big play ability of Watson. Z Smith wasn’t available anyways, so yes, we are a much better team on paper!
TimBackes
May 05, 2022 at 07:42 am
I think the loss of Adams is a significant deal and what makes them not as good on paper, at least on offense. THat, combined with the loss of Billy Turner, who was playing very well. We don't know who will take over at RT and chances are it'll take them a bit to settle into the position.
I think this team has the POTENTIAL to be as good or better than last year, but there aren't as many "sure things" on the roster. We're hoping the pieces the team brought in live up to their potential.
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 08:03 am
Tim, that’s where we differ, I don’t think the loss of Adams is that big of a deal when you have the talent of Rodgers at QB. It wasn’t an anomaly that he was 7-0 without Adams.
You did make very good comments throughout the article as to why they will be better and I agree with them. Good analysis.
I think they can improve over Turner by moving Jenkins to RT. Of course, that depends on Jenkins return from injury. They will have a lot of competition for the guard positions. That will make a much stronger OL, IMO.
MainePackFan
May 05, 2022 at 09:26 am
Having Bahk, Jenkins and Jaire back at full health would seem to be an immediate improvement.
Losing DA is significant, but we've seen the Packers go 7-0 without him, so it isn't something I see as insurmountable.
I believe this could be Lazard's breakout year. Is he Adams, of course not, Nor does he have to be. All he needs to be is a better version of himself. Realistic expectations: 60/800/10TD's?
At the very least, I expect Watson can give us what we got out of MVS. Cobb and Watkins can provide veteran leadership and solid (not spectacular} seasons (70/900/10 between them?)
We know that Amari's production could not be worse than it was in his rookie season, so let's anticipate that he is the player the Packers saw when they drafted him and he will have some level of increase in production.
It's reasonable to project that Doubs/Toure/Winfree etc. will surpass what we got out of ESB. Likewise, I think that the TE's will contribute more than they did last year.
If we get just the same production out of A Jones/Dillon (I expect more), this offense will be fine.
Let's say the ST's are just Ok. " Just Ok" would be a huge improvement!!
Is the defense better? I think most of us are in agreement that it has the potential to be much better. At the least, I don't see it regressing.
I don't think I'm overstating these expectations. If anything, I think I am understating them.
It's a fun time to be a Packers fan. Let's enjoy the ride!!!!
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 01:10 pm
Lazard , Watson and Doubs is my group. Let Watkins take the three-route tree MVS ran. Randall Cobb in the hook zones to move the chains. Is he fast enough to get open in the endzone? Open it up and don't look back.
stockholder
May 05, 2022 at 07:40 am
Ready to Contend. I thought the NFL, and the United States Gov't would be ordering a Split up by now.
Quick facts-
The 10-time Pro Bowl quarterback has a 14-10-1 record as a starter against the Vikings with 54 touchdown passes and seven interceptions.
Since entering the league in 2005, Rodgers has played against the Bears 26 times. He holds a 21-5 record over his NFC North rival Rodgers has a record of 18-6 against the Lions in his career.
So- Why worry about contention? We just need Rodgers to stay injury Free. And not self destruct. So just take a pill and chill. Rodgers has already proven you don't need a defense to win the division. Just good Wrs. This new group must be brought up to speed. - Because this team will not survive, by running the ball only. And Rodgers missing time.
Point to the Defense all you want. But the NAIL must go into the coffin.
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 01:21 pm
You need four RBs and a Fullback if you want to make believe they have a running team. They whine about Rodgers, but I would have moved A.Jones before the Taylor draft and saved money. I imagine he's their flanker 50 % of the time.
egbertsouse
May 05, 2022 at 07:50 am
Sure they will contend. Jake and Elwood put the band back together. They will beat up a bunch of crap teams, win the division and make the playoffs. Then they will get beat by the likes of Tampa, SF, LA, NOLA, or Arizona. They might win a playoff game if they draw a team like Washington. Diva will choke, then go on Tank Top’s show and blame the receivers or the FO. Later in the off-season he will feel remorse and write a weird, rambling post about gratitude and/or colon cleansing. It’s Groundhog Day and we’ve all seen it.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
May 05, 2022 at 08:49 am
Not all comments are created equally. Some are just superior to others. This comment is a fine example. Well said.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 10:28 am
I’m not going that route. No way. Not with this talent infusion on both sides of the ball. Add in the reversal on AR coming in early to put some time in with the rookie WRs?
Anything’s possible now with these factors in play.
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 01:28 pm
Factors in play sounds like dirty math...
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 01:55 pm
Why?
1. You’ve got an MVP QB who previously stated he wasn’t participating.
2. You’ve got 3 new, dynamic WRs selected in the draft.
3. You’ve got an MVP QB changing his mind, wanting to return to work with these young guys asap.
4. Adding Walker, Wyatt, Enagbare, Carpenter & Ford on D.
What’s not to like? That is a very different set of circumstances from a week ago today.
Best case scenario for success in 2022 was Aaron Rodgers’ total and complete buy-in with the rookie WRs added in this draft.
A critical factor on O. The other? Adding Top WR talents. Check & Check.
Loading up our interior D with out Top Two Picks??? With THAT TALENT??? Priceless. An immense factor in whether or not we realize true success this season.
I find this whole thing incredibly positive.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 05:01 pm
Too good… whoosh, Jannesbjornson.
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 05:25 pm
Sin to cosine harmony.
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 10:40 am
Egbert, you...my friend (if it is okay to proclaim this?) hit the nail on the head! Oh sureeee, it took a while...rather quite a while....but....I hung in there with you like a WOODTICK and you came through with this gem...thank you!
It reminds me of Good Will Hunting. You Damon, Me Williams...
Swisch
May 05, 2022 at 10:49 am
It does all depend on the attitude of Aaron Rodgers.
If he stays the same, all the other changes won't lift the Packers beyond their past heartbreaks at the end of the season.
If he becomes more coachable and agreeable, then there's hope for better results.
***
What an opportunity for Rodgers to get in on some great potential for the Packers!
If he can only step away from undue involvement in coaching and personnel decisions, and instead focus on and enjoy his major role as quarterback.
I think the other Packers players would be greatly uplifted by an Aaron Rodgers who is humbler and reaches out more to his teammates.
It could be a great finale for Rodgers in Green Bay.
Here's hoping and praying for him.
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 10:55 am
I love that you haven't lost faith in #12 Swisch...that is an awesome trait to have! You are a better person than I on this front. I will only start to trust #12 when he is truly tested again and puts the Team before Him. That doesn't mean I am right, but it is what it is.
Swisch
May 05, 2022 at 01:49 pm
At this point, PB, I don't trust Rodgers either, and would trade him as soon as possible.
I'm hoping that Gute and LaFleur are evaluating our arrogant and domineering QB for signs of significant change, while also monitoring interest from other teams.
We are all flawed and faulty, so I don't want to be too hard on Rodgers; yet, at the same time, we're putting the destiny of the Packers largely in his hands at some $50 million per year.
If Rodgers ain't right, then something will indeed go terribly wrong for the Packers when the team is truly tested again.
He is the fatal flaw that will cause the team to break under pressure.
***
I've been a big fan of Rodgers over the years, and try to never give up on anyone, even myself in all my flaws and faults.
For his sake and ours, I want him to rise to the occasion of being a genuine leader for a promising team.
If only that would happen, it would likely be a great ride this season for all who care about the Packers, with no regrets whatever the ultimate outcome.
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 02:42 pm
Switch, amen! "We are all flawed and faulty"...I am raising my hand on that one for sure. You stated my thoughts much better than I can. There are many things I appreciate about him...and some things I don't.
Johnblood27
May 05, 2022 at 04:42 pm
extra points for great nicknames.
Here's my "all-to-early-prediction"...
IF (really big breath here) the Packers win the SB, AJ Dillon will be the MVP...
you all heard it here first.
Guam
May 05, 2022 at 07:52 am
I got a chuckle out of the "Competition on the O-line" piece. The author believes Rhyan will be the favorite for RG, noting that Newman struggled last season. Newman did struggle, but it was with the shifts and stunts that NFL defensive lines use to confuse young players and spring D-linemen free. In straight up one-on-one blocking, Newman was fine, but he struggled with the complexities of NFL D-lines. What would make the author believe a rookie coming out of a lesser conference (Newman was SEC, Rhyan was Pac-12) will be better able to handle NFL stunts and shifts? I suspect Newman will be the favorite at RG simply because he is likely to make the second year leap that many players do as they learn the complexities of the NFL.
Everybody is always fascinated with the new guys............
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 08:20 am
Guam, I agree, we are all fascinated about hoping the new guys will be better then what is currently there. It is a lot to ask of a rookie. Of course, it does happen and there are many examples. Jenkins, Bak, Tauscher, the list goes on.
Being they’ve drafted a lot of OL over the past few years the odds are in their favor they hit on a few of them. Since they have drafted so many, the rookies don’t have to be the one who does better than the current stater. One, who have been drafted over the last few years may step up and take over the position. Draft and develop!
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 08:46 am
Very solid, Guam. It’s for those same reasons I’m thinking Yosh Nijman will be our starting RT this season.
Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, Nijman.
Time tested, experienced players outside of Myers… Considering that, maybe the changes starting Game 1 look more like this:
Bakhtiari, Runyan, Jenkins, Newman, Nijman.
The real beauty of this recent draft on our OL was the addition of more players at OT who might be more capable to step right in, should need be. Rhyan might surprise thrown in at LT, and, LaFleur will give him opportunities there, but he’s most likely the OG add we all anticipated.
The versatility is huge on our newly assembled OL, with Rhyan & Tom appearing to have real potential as emergency backup OTs.
Guam
May 05, 2022 at 09:30 am
Agree with your starting line-ups GG with one exception. I think you meant Bahk, Runyan, MYERS, Newman, Nijman for week one as Jenkins will not be available until later in the season.
Gute has drafted three O-linemen a year for the past three years. It has given the Packers good depth on the O-line as well as a bunch of low cost young players. Great for the future!
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 12:10 pm
You’re right, Guam, and I haven’t stayed current with prognosis on any of them. Not to mention, we are probably better off staying away from projections here with 3 ACLs returning amongst the 5 starting OL positions.
Something to note on OL depth is the outside possibility of OT Rasheed Walker turning things around more quickly under Butkus/Steno. That kid’s got some serious tools in the drawer. Had a mystery illness during his 10 games played, and a down finish to his year with a meniscus tear (he is expected to return to play soon - per Daily Collegian). Guess he struggled last year handling stunts.
For pure OT depth, Walker 6-6 313 has ready made size to start as a rookie in a pinch. He’s super athletic, but got into some bad habits with footwork causing him to lose his balance. Better coaching could remedy his woes. Guessing Packers staff saw that in selecting him.
We’ll see, but, Walker stoned both Hutchinson and Ojabo when Penn St. played Michigan - straight up with no chip help.
Encouraging, at least, with some nice depth additions added for 2022.
jannesbjornson
May 05, 2022 at 01:38 pm
Third team All-Big Ten two years running with some stiff competition now starting for NFL squads. I have Rhyan at the RT and Rasheed will tangle with Nijman for the backup. He didn't start the Playoff Game for some reason.. He didn't take the job last season. He looked better inside cleaning the pile and getting over to a LB. Competition is good. Let the Best man win the job, don't want to see any more "we like our guys" bullshit.
Johnblood27
May 05, 2022 at 04:46 pm
stoned the best pass rushers in a competitive conference... as yosh did at va tech before his udfa signing with the gbp.
Leatherhead
May 05, 2022 at 09:50 pm
RG is the least important position on the line. We have an abundance of guys who could play there, but lots of questions at the other spots and somebody needs to claim the RT spot, and somebody is needed if Myers can’t play. Did any of these guys play RT in college?
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 11:14 pm
Nijman was a 2 yr starter RT, and 2 yr starter LT under Frank Beamer at VT.
Newman was a 1yr starter RT under Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss. He played OG his previous years there.
Rasheed Walker played just 29 snaps at RT. Rasheed played more than 3000 snaps at LT over his 3 years at Penn St.
Rhyan played LT almost exclusively, but for handful of OG snaps.
Caleb Jones had 24 starts at RT, 6 at LT at Indiana.
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 10:59 pm
I think Rasheed Walker played LT and RT in college. IDK about Caleb Jones did or not?
Johnblood27
May 06, 2022 at 05:47 pm
didn't caleb jones play RT ...AND... LT ...at the same time?
BirdDogUni
May 06, 2022 at 11:20 pm
Lol'd Jb...
He is a monster.
Leatherhead
May 07, 2022 at 12:48 pm
That would put Nijman at the front of the line, IMO. It would also mean that the job of Bakhtiari's backup is open. I would speculate that Rhyan and Walker will compete for that.
I'm also thinking that Tom will challenge Hanson for the backup C spot.
Bakhtiari-Runyan-Myers-Newman-Nijman, backed up by Rhyan, Tom, and two others to be determined (Walker and Jones?), plus the practice squad guys.
Leatherhead
May 07, 2022 at 12:48 pm
That would put Nijman at the front of the line, IMO. It would also mean that the job of Bakhtiari's backup is open. I would speculate that Rhyan and Walker will compete for that.
I'm also thinking that Tom will challenge Hanson for the backup C spot.
Bakhtiari-Runyan-Myers-Newman-Nijman, backed up by Rhyan, Tom, and two others to be determined (Walker and Jones?), plus the practice squad guys.
greengold
May 07, 2022 at 01:25 pm
Yeah, Bubs. I think your lineup there is EXACTLY how this plays out, and how they likely feel about their backups.
There’s heavy odds Rhyan gets groomed for one of the OG spots over the course of this next year, along with Tom getting a solid year of sand shoved into his pants to take over for Bakhtiari, when that time comes.
Rhyan has played a handful of OG according to snap counts that I’ve read. Pretty much exclusively LT.
Walker, sitting out rookie minicamp on the sidelines, is still clearly rehabbing from his late season meniscus tear. However, all 3 players have immense LT experience.
Also think Caleb Jones is simply another GIANT profile player, bigger than Yosh at 6-8 7/8” 350, that they - might - consider a project worth spending a year or three developing. This OL coaching staff of Steno and Butkus learned one helluva lot in their time bringing Nijman along to become a proficient starting RT.
***Caleb Jones has LEVERS you cannot teach at OT, with a reach nearly 37” long!!! (Imagine an EDGE trying to get around that in pass pro).
Because of all they’ve learned developing Nijman, and that kind of unique length, they may think a year or two of development worth the investment. They are probably in the midst of figuring that out now.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
May 05, 2022 at 08:33 am
I would expect Royce Newman to get the first crack at right tackle. He played tackle in college plus his athletic ability and skillset are better suited for tackle. I think Sean Rhyan is definitely a guard. Not sure what theyre going to do with Zack Tom tho. Do they try to groom him for left tackle to be Bakhtiari's replacement down the road?
Guam
May 05, 2022 at 09:33 am
I think Tom is the back-up center for at least awhile. Patrick is gone, Hanson has never shown much, and Myers missed a bunch of games last year with an injury. If I was the O-line coach, I would certainly be looking for some quality depth there.
PackEyedOptimist
May 05, 2022 at 11:11 am
I think they will try the two rookies at tackle first, while cross-training Rhyan at guard and Tom at center. They aren't the "likely" starters, but neither was Newman last year, and both Rhyan and Tom are much more accomplished players.
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 11:23 am
"This Roster is Already Set Up to Contend."
And a couple months ago, there was no way we field a "better" team than we did last year. People lamented over the cap and roster, and I tried to quell their fears, but now all is well, because CHTV says it is.
TY!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
May 05, 2022 at 08:52 am
Well a lot of the reason for the uncertainty was the Packers' history of not maxing out their salary cap. I thought they would take this offseason as a chance to reset and get the cap in order which would mean losing a lot of players that they ultimately ended up keeping. This offseason was a major shift away from normal operating procedure.
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 09:07 am
Another keen observation. Without a doubt.
PackEyedOptimist
May 05, 2022 at 10:48 am
Those people were just looking at the many layers of complexity in the situation, BDU. That's why they laminated.
Meanwhile, BDU is lamenting the effects of auto-correct...
;-D
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 11:22 am
Yes, yes I am. Lol XD
murf7777
May 05, 2022 at 03:12 pm
Bird....I think you and I were one of the few against the norm. I'm can't remember where you were, but I wanted Packers to keep Rodgers and trade Adams. Now here we are in a better position than last year.
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 06:30 pm
Before we traded DA, I wanted to trade AR and roll with the Love Train. I didn't see any way we could field a decent team with AR & DA on the team. I never thought Gutey would have the stones to tag and trade DA and we'd get a 1st, a 2nd, and cap relief...
I'm still torn. I really wish we wouldn't have drafted Love, only because of the timing of it. Now, unless Love shows out in the preseason and AR retires after the Super Bowl win, Jordan likely never takes meaningful snaps during his rookie contract or for the Packers, which is very sad IMO.
Don't get me wrong though, since Gutey found a way to trade DA and garner picks and cap space, I think that was the perfect move to keep our FHOF QB and give DA what he actually wanted. Win/Win.
Early though, I was all for trading AR to Denver for the haul they gave up for Wilson. I'm ecstatic that AR is back for the foreseeable future, but I do feel for Love. I don't wish bad things on good people, but someone will get hurt this year, (hope it isn't Rodgers) but if it were the right situation, I would love to see Love traded to get an opportunity, as long as it isn't in the division. Say if Deshaun Watson were to get hurt, Love going to Cleveland might be the perfect opportunity for him? IDK, I just feel for the kid.
murf7777
May 06, 2022 at 06:29 am
I agree it’s a very tough situation for Love. The only good outcome would be Rodgers is traded after this year and Love becomes the starter. I just don’t see that happening.
greengold
May 06, 2022 at 07:07 am
A lot of possibilities presented, and the Packers chose to keep both QB1 & QB2.
I honestly didn’t think it possible, but I see this 2022 Packers team assembled on paper, and I see a legitimate Super Bowl contender for the season.
Time to throw all that other superfluous stuff away & RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG!
Leatherhead
May 07, 2022 at 01:02 pm
If I remember correctly, you were one of the few people who realized the possibilities with Rodgers at QB, but neither of us anticipated the trade of Adams that made much of this possible. Neither did we foresee the acquisition of Reed and Watkins, nor the signings of Douglas and Campbell.
A lot has changed in this offseason, but remain the same in some very important ways. Jones-Dillon is one of the better backfields in the league, perhaps the best, and that's over half the offense right there. I would strongly suspect that even without Adams, this will still be a very good offense at staying on the field (#1 last year), protecting the ball (#2) and scoring points.
The additions of Douglas, Campbell, Stokes, Wyatt and Walker in the last year have added 5 good defenders to the core we already had of Alexander, Amos, Savage, and Clark.
I'm not sure we'll be better, but right now it looks like we could be a pretty good team if we don't have a big run of bad luck.
greengold
May 07, 2022 at 01:44 pm
My friend, careful overlooking NT Jonathan Ford on this 2022 Packers Defense.
That kid is IMMOVABLE in the run game. He is an ENORMOUS player & value - one that I was hoping Gutekunst would add immediately following his Wyatt pick at #28.
Hailing from a blue chip program at Miami, he brings enormous size, without being a fatty, and under appreciated athleticism. His explosive qualities in pass rush make him as Pro-ready from an NFL body type at NT as TJ Slaton was last year.
Slaton & Ford, I guarantee, will become household names in Packers lore before long.
Take away a double team at the A-Gap, sending it over to help on the Wyatt/Clark thing???
Won’t surprise me seeing insane SACK/TFL totals for Slaton & Ford at NT.
EricinGB
May 05, 2022 at 08:41 am
Backes: "Coming out of the 2022 draft, I would still say the roster is not as good (on paper, at least) as it was this past January. "
Whether or not this statement is true, the Packers should be a better TEAM in January 2023 compared to January 2022...the offense and defensive lines should be stronger, the libackers should be stronger and the back end of the defense will have another year together. Special teams can't help but be better. The offense as a whole should be more balanced. Yes Adams will be missed, but the team as a whole should be better and allow Rodgers to be more of a game manager rather than 1/2 of the Rodgers-Adams team that the Packers needed to play lights-out in order to win.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
May 05, 2022 at 08:45 am
With all the positive enthusiasm I see at CCTV following the draft I think what we all should be doing during this 'slow time' is plan a CCTV tailgate party weekend during training camp. Pick a particular weekend and plan a day long event for for fellow cheesehead posters to get together and get to know one another and talk football. Check out the rookies. We could watch Jordan Love and debate how he is looking in his development, etc. LOL! Coordinate stadium and HOF tour. CCTV should coordinate and plan the event and there should be a fee to participate. Help support CCTV and get to know everyone! I would certainly make a point of attending. Possibly involve Packer marketing people. We certainly are Ambassadors of good will for the Packer organization. Online Packer influencers. Thoughts?
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 08:54 am
Yes. Kick it off at Corey’s. We’ll have a band…
LOL
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
May 05, 2022 at 09:44 am
I think that is a great idea. Some brats, burgers, beer, cheese curds....
blondy45
May 05, 2022 at 02:06 pm
I would drive from Pennsylvania to meet the faces of the Cheesehead blog. I respect so many of you. You guys put it into words better than I ever can. I also love to talk football. This sounds like a great road-trip to me.
Guam
May 05, 2022 at 09:34 am
Love the idea Knock!
PackEyedOptimist
May 05, 2022 at 11:12 am
I think that's a great idea! I'd do my best to attend!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
May 05, 2022 at 12:02 pm
Building momentum!
Think Corey or CCTV should pose a survey to all readers to gauge interest on how many might attend. Seek interested activities. Maybe an annual event?
greengold
May 05, 2022 at 02:04 pm
I think Corey would do it as long as none of us stepped foot on his lawn, and meet in the Kroll’s Parking Lot instead…
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
May 05, 2022 at 07:06 pm
Let's do it Corey!!!!
Think many people would make the journey.....come on!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
May 05, 2022 at 02:32 pm
I'm thinking Pantz_Burp manning the grill might be a winner! 👍
lecko
May 05, 2022 at 08:44 am
I know a story about Packers fan since 80s from Europe if that would be interesting for Origins
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 09:36 am
Love the article Tim, thanks! Sports, grilling out, chilling, beer and fireflies!
I can't get enough of the fireflies. They are sneaky...sneaky good. Now, they have certain patterns/frequencies to their "flashing " that is unique to their species (subspecies) which allows them to distinguish being one of their own. The female will usually be lower on the ground or brush and signal to her male suitors until one comes down to join her to make lil' fireflies.
Here is where it gets REAL interesting...real fast. If she is in need of protein for energy, she may simply mimic the bioluminescent flashing pattern of a different species firefly male to summon him to join her. He is fooled, flies down and instead of doing the deed with him...EATs Him!!!
Oh boyyyy....(I feel like Cliff Claven from Cheers :)
RCPackerFan
May 05, 2022 at 10:02 am
I feel VERY good about where this team is at roster wise.
The team to me is more balanced then before. Our offense I believe will be more balanced, with using all the weapons at RB, TE and WR. Our defense I believe will be greatly improved. Second year in the Joe Barry system will already be a good thing. While they lost Za'Darius, it won't be much of a change because he wasn't there most of the year anyways. But getting Jaire back will be one of the biggest improvements from a year ago. They played most of the year without him. The 1 game that he returned our defense was the best it had looked all year. The trio of Alexander, Stokes and Douglas, could be the best we have ever had. Adding Reed to the DL will provide a veteran boost. Something we have been missing. We have been needing an upgrade over Lancaster for a while. Bringing Reed and Wyatt in should definitely provide that. The piece that could really put our defense over the top is Walker. If he can provide another sideline to sideline LB who is a very sure tackler, we will form one of the best ILB duos in the league.
As for offense, there are more changes there. Coaching and player changes. Adams is a big loss no question. MVS also is a big loss because he provided a deep threat and big play ability. That being said, as a whole our offense I think will become more balanced. It won't be Adams dependent. It will spread the ball around with the RB's, TE's and WR's. I think their hope is Watkins is our new number 1 target. Lazard and Cobb each get more targets. I believe they will find roles for both Watson and Doubs. Watson I think will be used in a multiple of ways. Doubs might be a deep threat for us early. It may take a little while for the offense to gel, but I believe it will improve each week.
I really like the moves they made on the OL. Rhyans and Tom I think will complete the OL. Both I think could compete for starting jobs immediately. We don't know when Jenkins will be back. That is 2 spots that I considered up for grabs. Bakthiari, Runyan, and Myers IMO are locks. RG and RT are up for grabs. That means that Rhyans, Tom, Nijman, and Newman will be competing for 2 spots.
PeteK
May 05, 2022 at 11:52 am
We are ignoring Rasheed Walker,he could factor in somewhere. I always like drafting a LT and moving them to an easier position on the line.
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 10:21 pm
Rasheed Walker or Caleb Jones starting at RT would be awesome if they could hold it down.
Caleb Jones at 6' 9" 369lbs... OMG he's a giant. Rasheed at 6' 6" 325 isn't small, by any means. Be cool if either of them could lock it down for 4 - 8 years though. That would leave a wicked competition for the interior spots and awesome depth no matter who starts.
An UDFA starting at RT would be cool too. ; )
hobowilly
May 05, 2022 at 09:30 pm
RC, admittedly, i didn't get past the first 2 para's of Backes article. Appreciate what you're sharing here on a positive note. Fully agree that AR is going to have to shift his options around a little. We will definately miss Tae both on/off the field! But at the same time we were 8-0 when he wasn't in the lineup so, we can have success using other game scheming; very much excited about Watson and even though he may not reach his amazing RAS potential out-of-the-box, he will evolve into a play maker is my assessment, who knows when. He appears to be wired the Packer way. I'm not so high on Doubs as he might have a hard time becoming #4 behind the folks you mentioned. Watson will overtake a "contributing" position--the concept of #1 WR is mythical for 2022, but it'll be a combined committee effort for sure. I'm confident the talent is there.
Yes, i believe you are spot on about the Oline, great competition there for 2 available spots while we wait for our guy Jenkins to return. Great 2nd rnd pick last year in Myers!
Gman1976
May 05, 2022 at 10:29 am
Thanks for the encouraging post Tim. I really think we got better with the draft and our free agent acquisition. It is clear that our shifting offensive line in the last 2 NFC championship games cost us big time as well as our ST disaster (which ultimately must be laid at the feet of our head coach who didn't make the badly needed adjustments).
Hopefully, the ship is righted and we can stay healthy. GPG!
PackEyedOptimist
May 05, 2022 at 11:04 am
"Coming out of the 2022 draft, I would still say the roster is not as good (on paper, at least) as it was this past January."
Huh, you must be ignoring the holes in that piece of paper: No Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Myers, Zadarious, Tonyan, etc.
We're adding all of those to THIS year's paper except Zadarious, and we have two great guys already playing his position.
So we lost Davante Adams and MVS/EQSB and Billy Turner and Lucas Patrick, and Tyler Lancaster.
We replaced them with Sammy Watkins-, Christian Watson+, Romeo Doubs+, Sean Rhyan+/-, Zach Tom+, and Jarran Reed+.
In the meantime, we've GREATLY upgraded the defense, adding Quay Walker++ and Devante Wyatt++.
This year's paper looks clearly BETTER to me.
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 11:51 am
I'm on board the '22-'23 Packer Train for sure... I think this roster by the end of January, barring any major injuries will be a much more complete roster, and much more flexible. I think defensively, we'll have many more options for shutting down a variety of offensive schemes we couldn't in years past.
I loved Davante Adams game, but he's no longer a Packer, so we need to overcome, adapt, and evolve. IDK who will step up on the offensive side of the ball, but as a collective, I am optimistic they'll be more than able to carry the scoring load.
I think the OL competitions are going to be fascinating to follow this summer. I'm rooting for Caleb Jones to make the squad.
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 04:04 pm
Geez, B-Dog...you sure are claiming a lot of your territory. Reminds me of Game of Bones ..😁
BirdDogUni
May 05, 2022 at 06:33 pm
"KING OF THE NORTH!"
pantz_bURp
May 06, 2022 at 10:03 am
In high school, the ladies referred to me as the King of the South....;D
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 12:12 pm
P-E-O, I see your image and boy one can tell you are deep into lamination... or in a profound state of laminating your thoughts :D
PackEyedOptimist
May 05, 2022 at 03:54 pm
So about my icon: When I first signed up for CHTV, I had to choose SOMETHING... So I just opened to my pics, and there was this pic of The Thinker that I had recently taken at the Rodin Garden in Paris. It was just a quick, on a whim, choice. It's been there ever since. 😀
Ironically, I didn't think at all before choosing it.
pantz_bURp
May 05, 2022 at 04:03 pm
Very cool, P-E-O...! Now, I know the rest of the story...👍👌
hobowilly
May 05, 2022 at 09:42 pm
Thx Tim. Your comment about ST failure is an understatement. From my prospective, MLF failed to hire the right guy heading into last season and there wasn't much of a sustained improvement, culmating in the disaster against SF. The 49'er staff studied GB's weak ST groups and game planned accordingly to steal the game. Period. Yes, we know GB didn't get more pts in the 2nd half and that falls on AR relying on his target too often. Period.
Both of this issues have been dealt with wherein i will miss Tae terribly, but not the ST coach and agree with MLF's fix-hiring perhaps the best ST coach in the NFL. Too late for 2021 though. Hiring Bisaccia was an excellent choice and we can all look forward to GB being ranked inside the top 20 in this 3rd phase of the game. Hah, as i said before 2021 season, there's only one way to go in ST's. Same rings true heading into the 2022 season