Gut Reactions: Week 17 vs The Vikings

Aaron's gut reactions to the loss to the Vikings

  • I mean, I tried to tell you.
  • Have at it in the comments section. 
  • This team does not deserve your trust
  • McCarthy had a GREAT plan - that he completely abandoned after the initial series. 
  • Lacy carried 7 times for 28 yards on the Packers’ first drive. After that, McCarthy treated him like a leper.
  • Yes, Aaron Rodgers was terrible.
  • The final 3rd down from Rodgers to Rodgers will haunt my dreams forever. What a horrible play.
  • Go Pack. Cant wait until they lose to Washington. 
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Phillthy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 03:54 am

In the beginning we blamed Lacy and the running game, halfway through we blamed the receivers not getting open, recently we've blamed the offensive line for our struggles.

At this point we have to either be looking at our quarterback or higher up at towards those running this ship. The talent is obviously there, the direction isn't.

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ollie418's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:20 am

The talent is not there at all.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:33 am

The talent is not there with you, obviously!

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Mags's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:57 am

There is talent but better talent at TE,ILB and WR is needed.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:38 am

Besides Jordy Nelson what is so different on this offence this year as opposed to last year when we lead the league is scoring? You can't tell me one player makes this offence from 1 to 24 in the league. We have a guy who runs a 4.3 40 and NEVER ONCE tried a jet sweep with him? Why not, Put him in the backfield like Cobb.. Just try it.. Talent is there MM just refuses to use it.. Needs to be fired!!!!!

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:24 am

Amen!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:40 am

'The talent is obviously there, the direction isn't.'

That is it! They have absolutely no direction... The 'Coach' wants to run his offense. Problem is the talent they currently have does not fit what he wants to run.

They have talent. They just haven't figured out how to use the talent. Is their talent as great as it has been in the past few years? No. But they have enough talent that they should be a ton better then what they have done the last however many games.
Just look at yesterdays game. They had a great game plan and had a great opening drive. Then they basically fall apart until the 4th quarter when they are essentially playing 'school yard ball'.
That to me shows that the offense they are trying to run isn't working. When they can move the ball playing 'school yard ball' doesn't that show that the offense they are trying to run isn't working?

Unfortunately its almost to late for the coaches to realize this.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:50 am

"When they can move the ball playing 'school yard ball' doesn't that show that the offense they are trying to run isn't working?"

Is it poor execution? Is it just getting beat on a player-by-player basis? I agree with you in that the Packers are trotting out the same old things week after week, the same old formations, the same old plays/player combinations and they only have limited success with them.

Remember a couple weeks ago when they put Cobb in motion and had him curl around at the QB? A new wrinkle! Was it super productive? Not really, but it was a sign that the coaches were TRYING stuff. For me, this is what's killing me: there are no signs that the coaching staff is trying new stuff.

When the Packers move the ball in the "playground ball" situations, they put the ball in #12's hands and say, "go make something happen". When they try that earlier in games, has it been productive? Only moderately so, but at this stage, you need to ride your horses, and on offense he's the only horse they've really got. Now give him some looks and some gadgets to make it go...

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:24 am

'Remember a couple weeks ago when they put Cobb in motion and had him curl around at the QB? A new wrinkle!'

EXACTLY!!!

The Dallas game was the last time we saw a new wrinkle and any type of play that was a perfectly schemed play to use misdirection.

Perhaps they are saving some of this stuff for the play offs and honestly I hope they are.

But that is the way this offense is going to beat defenses. And there is nothing wrong with it. That is basically how Seattle's offense has beat teams the last few years. They used Lynch and ran misdirection types of plays to get guys open.

The way this offense is going to be the best is if they use every player they have available to play and use their strengths. Also they have to create different looks that defenses are not prepared for.

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TommyG's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:18 pm

I once heard a baseball analyst say that one can tell if a team is great if they win for different reasons each day. He of course meant that if hitting or pitching was struggling then the other aspect of the game was good enough to bailout the issue for that game. The inverse is true as well when it comes to bad teams-they lose for different reasons each time. We lose because WR can't get open, we lose because Hollywood can't make a throw, we lose because the line can't block and the RB can't run. The common factor is that all of these reasons are on offense. We have an awful offense with future HOFer at QB. This is unacceptable.

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ollie418's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:25 am

Three things say it all.

1. Never lead in the game.

2. 1st and goal at ten, on 2nd to last drive, don't score.

3. 2 more precious time outs wasted AGAIN.

Thiis team is just not very good. Period.

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jbromusic's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:09 am

the defense and special teams are good. it's the offense that's broken

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ollie418's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:27 am

Oh, and nice play call, MM, with 15 seconds to go.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:43 am

That pass to the flat for Rodgers needs to be eliminated to Rodgers. Rodgers is not nimble enough to make that play work.

When I have talked about them trying to use Rodgers like they used Finley. That is a play that they are trying to 'pretend' Rodgers is Finley. Finley makes that play work because of his athleticism. Rodgers can't.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:31 am

I want to thank Josh who tried hard to play out of his position for the sake of the team. I think that some of you guys will now give more respect to David Bakhtiari. I think you learned how important and very good he is at the LT!
Yes, OL played terrible, especially after bye week, but those guys were and are all injured, some of them heavier, some of them lighter, but still - injured...
I think that we are now can reveal the truth. I would like to be stupid goat who was not seen what everybody else can see now - I was among rare fans here who has guts to say that offense is not playing good because Aaron Rodgers was and is not playing good. Aaron playing under his standards for a long time. That started at the game against Chargers... And that is the main problem Packers are facing. You may never get better confirmation than the last interception thrown by Aaron Rodgers: James Jones was wide open and throw to the sideline will gave Packers TD, instead of that ball was thrown directly to the hands of the beaten Vikings CB (Rhodes)... It was several clear situation when Aaron was throwing the ball outbound but on the other side of the field (Davante Adams twice, Rodgers twice, James Jones and Randall Cobb once) or in the middle (I think Randall twice and Rodgers once).
Regarding Lacy, to all of you who now spits on Lacy performance and Mike McCarthy usage of him I wish rib injury, a light one, to earn how that injury can be painful! Even breathing is painful! And Lacy was playing collision game. I'm so proud of him!
I hoped Packers will win, because think Vikings are much easier opponent than Redskins. Now I hope I'm wrong!
Aaron Nagler, nothing against you. I think we felt similar except that Lacy issue. I was surprised they did not start Starks/Crockett combo...

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ollie418's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:15 am

Agreed, Rodgers is not very good right now.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:25 am

I counted 5 or 6 bad plays from Sitton. 4 pressures, plus a sack, and a penalty run blocking downfield. I'd call that serviceable, and he might well get better with a little practice given all the new angles. So, overall, give Sitton credit for playing out of position and being okay.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:53 am

I have a hunch that Bakhtiari will be ready for Washington next week, and that the Packers were nursing him along for the playoffs rather than trotting him out at 75%....just a hunch because he didn't practice at all last week, but at this point it's about all my optimistic soul can hope for.

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carusotrap's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:55 am

Perhaps the problem is that Sitton HAD to play out of position even though the backup was healthy. That's a personnel failure by Ted Thompson or the coaches who said Barclay was fine.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:49 am

Considering he hasn't played LT in forever... Thought they said sense Highschool.... jeesh...

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:50 am

I personally hated that they put Sitton at LT. They changed 2 positions by doing so. While I thought Sitton held up fairly well considering the situation, I would have much rather seen them put Tretter at LT and kept Sitton at LG.

Rodgers has not been good. I think some of it is injury, and I think some of it is that he doesn't feel good about the way the offense is being ran. He has made several comments throughout the year about how needing to scheme better or how certain things have been schemed perfectly. IMO, when he has doubt in a play as its being called in, its in the back of his head as the play is being ran and its affecting his play.

Right now it seems like there is a huge trust issue with Rodgers. He doesn't trust his protection. He doesn't trust his WR's. He doesn't trust his play caller.

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:34 am

Lacy was doing good while Kuhn was back there with him. After the first series, Kuhn was benched until pretty much late in the second half. Guys, when he is on the field we do better. He makes plays. He brings fire. A totally under used asset.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 05, 2016 at 02:47 am

To all of you, I really did not and do not blame Josh. He played very well when you take all in consideration. I just point out how Baku is very good. Nothing else in that matter...

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LtlBoyBlue's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:02 am

As the saying goes "The fish stinks from the head down."

This is not a good team, it is not well coached, and the only consistent thing about this team is poor play and execution.

I can see a blow out loss to Washington and a new coaching staff next year.

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ollie418's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:16 am

Half agree on the blowout part.

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porupack's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:07 am

Darn right. Poor play all year. Time to hold the head coach responsible.

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John30856's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:17 pm

And we did so well last year with this coaching staff or have you forgotten?

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:26 am

Amen! Sadly, nothing will change until we really hit bottom. GO PACK GO!

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carusotrap's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:59 am

I think the coaches stay, for better or worse. What I'd like to see is Ted Thompson being offered the chance to retire with dignity to be replaced by Elliot Wolf. That may not fix the systemic problems with this team immediately, but it does plan for a future where we don't always rely on UDFAs to become All-pros.

I also believe in unicorns.

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joepacker's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:06 pm

a new gm would never keep this staff intact. not that there isn't talent here, but the mojos gone.

but, who pulls the chord on TT? Mark Murphy? dont see that.

maybe he puts enuf pressure on tt to shake up the staff.

but, probably more of the same.

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MikeHoncho's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:46 am

There will definitely not be a coaching change this year. Thompson and McCarthy are sewn together at the hip. Fans could protest and picket outside the stadium and that still wouldn't change a thing. They will be riding this out until this team hits absolute rock bottom. Let's hope that doesn't happen and these knuckleheads can somehow turn it around next year.

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John30856's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:19 pm

the record is 10 - 6 Quite good actually

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MikeHoncho's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:46 am

There will definitely not be a coaching change this year. Thompson and McCarthy are sewn together at the hip. Fans could protest and picket outside the stadium and that still wouldn't change a thing. They will be riding this out until this team hits absolute rock bottom. Let's hope that doesn't happen and these knuckleheads can somehow turn it around next year.

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Big_Mel_75's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:52 am

I would love to see a guy like Sean Payton teamed up with AROD!! Could you imagine what he has done with Brees over the years...

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:07 pm

Imagine that. One Super Bowl and suspended for an out of control team getting paid to intentionally injure opposing players. Payton should be on a chain gang busting rocks in the hot sun.

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oldschool's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:06 pm

Completely agree, Payton should be on a chain gang. Although he would fit right in with the loser fans that got ejected and arrested. 43 ejections and 11 arrests last night!!!

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:38 am

MM doesn't get fired. Too much upheaval. Lower coaches get sacked though. If this repeats next year, and we start badly, MM then becomes a target.

Right now, who you gonna hire to replace him? Saban?

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:04 pm

Caldwell from the Lions will be available.

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Bryce Hansen's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:11 am

There's really just no way to spin it positively. For me the troubling thing is that we've had decades of hall of fame caliber QB play and only have 2 rings to show for it. It feels like a waste. Oh well, maybe next year...

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Wenis's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:12 am

Rodgers did his best Jaydolph Quitler impression last night. Opposing teams now know that the key to beating the Packers is make Rodgers hold onto the ball and he will eventually turn the ball over.

Clock management is fkn terrible and even though McCarthy may have called that crappy 3rd down play Rodgers has got to have enough sense to throw the fkn ball out of bounds or at least where nobody can catch it.

McCarthy and his deer in the headlights expressions on the sideline are comedy gold.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:36 am

I know with TV sideline shots you see only a portion of things, but whenever they pan to MM, all I see is nothing that indicates what is going on, no emotion or worse him with the play calling Bible. I hate Pete Carroll but he always seems to be in tune with what is going on on the field. I think Id rather have someone who is into the game. Deer in the headlights is right. It's football for Christ sakes.

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ollie418's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:20 am

When is the coaching staff, and Rodgers, going to realize that timeouts are absolutely necessary in the last two minutes of the game? Especially as bad as this team is.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:40 am

I think they are beyond hope in that regard.

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NewNikeShoes's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:23 am

Short and simple answer IMO:
A-Rod has been off, for whatever reason. That's destroyed the entire O. WRs might not be getting as open as before, but lesser QBs have done well with slow receivers(Fitzpatrick). O-Line is off, but A-Rod was still great in 2012 when he got sacked the most in the league.

Hell, look at the interception he threw. Thats a Blaine Gabbert ala Jax flashback.

This might seem harsh, but he's bringing our team down as of this moment. He's gotta fix this mentally.

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porupack's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:14 am

NewNikes;
I just can't fathom how you can put all blame on AR. The whole team has way underachieved in all aspects all year, and has spiraled and degenerating effects on all parts and spirals downhill, including the QB play. Of course he's underperforming, but I would say it is in large part a combo of other factors, and we are now seeing his play decline rapidly. The whole offense is so out of sync that QB and WRs just don't know where each other are going to be...so of course he doesn't see when they sometimes get wide open.
On most replays, I see WRs running 3 seconds...then slow to a half hearted trot like they already gave up on the play. Pathetic effort by every WR out there.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:58 am

"The whole offense is so out of sync that QB and WRs just don't know where each other are going to be...so of course he doesn't see when they sometimes get wide open."

Too true, and many times when we see the "wide open receivers" on replay, they are on the opposite side of the field while Rodgers is running for his life, and they're wide open because the DB has peeled off to move in the same direction as Rodgers. If ARod tried to throw to those receivers, it would be a disaster.

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D.D.Driver's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:17 am

It's not *all* on Rodgers. But its a lot on Rodgers. If Rodgers is playing like Rodgers, the Packers have 2-3 more wins this year. But week in and week out the Packers seem to take the field with the second best QB in the game. They cannot win consistently when the other team has the better QB.

The INT was just brutal. A couple of those deep passes to Jones would have been completions but for Rodgers underthrowing the ball, allowing the DB to catch up and make a play.

It's anyone's guess what the problem is. But its impossible to deny that Rodgers has been on an extended funk.

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:41 am

You live as a team, you disintegrate as a team

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:09 pm

Unless you want to blame the coach, then it's his fault alone.

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:18 am

I've noticed a couple things Rodgers is doing that defenses may be keying in on, pre snap...
Rodgers only hard counts on pass plays
Rodgers uses the whole play clock on pass plays, snaps earlier on runs

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:09 pm

It's obviously a conspiracy.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:28 am

Kept looking for the "5 reasons GB will win and one reason they might not" article. Then I realized that I could not think of 5 reasons GB might win. [That said, I could think of a couple of reasons: mostly the OL is healthier than thought and GB can run the ball and then use play action. Oh wait, we were able to do that, we just stopped doing it after the first series.]

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porupack's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:20 am

TGR; the way I saw it....they kept running Lacy for 2-3 yard gains and wisely altered the strategy. Why MM didn't insert a change of pace RB is the error. Sure they put in Starks, but he's not that much different style runner in my opinion.
Lacy is too tentative. Too slow. I just don't see him ever burst into a hole. Maybe he is just too predictable, with not enough speed to even bounce outside. Defenses know how to bottle him up. So the offense was going no where with Lacy.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:35 am

"they kept running Lacy for 2-3 yard gains" - sure, and then never ran him again. 2-3 yard gains in Q1 turn into 5-6 yard gains in Q4 if one consistently sticks with it...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:26 am

I agree, Porupack, that Starks really isn't a change of pace back. Mentioned a true receiving-scat back type in my wish list for the draft last year, but did not get one. I don't remember if there was someone I liked anymore.

The opening drive was 15 plays 9 run, 5 pass, for 70 yards and took 8:43 (letting the defense rest). Plays: R +1, R +11, free play Inc - 1st and 5; R -1, R +3. Pass/Scramble +2, R +2 for a first down. R +6, P +18, R +4, R +5, R +5 for a first down. P +8, P Inc., P +1, Field goal [Note the P, P P then FG]. Lacy ran 7 times for 28 yards (finished with 13 carries for 34 yards so he had 6 carries for 6 yards), Starks ran once for 6, and Kuhn once for 3. 9 carries for 36 yards. AR went 4 for 5 for 29 yards. We saw inverted wishbone and I formations during the first series - I did not see much of the former after the opening series. That computes to 63% run, 37% pass. We had 10 more series after that (not counting the 1 play kneel down at the end of the half), with Lacy getting 6 carries for 6 yards, Starks 7 for 19, and Cobb 1 for 3 yards. AR threw 44 times (39 more passes versus 14 runs), so the Run/Pass ratio reversed itself and was 67% pass vs. 33% run after the first series.

2nd series: P +9, R +2 (1st down), P Inc., R +2, P Sack -6, Punt. 3P/2R
3rd series: R -2, P -7, P 14 Punt. 2P/1R
4th series: P +24, P -1, P DPI (1st/10), P +6, P Inc., P Inc. Punt. (No runs) - it is still only 6-3 at this time! 6 passes, 0 runs.

I did not see any slants; I saw a couple of intermediate and deep crossers, lots of flat, not much in the middle, and some down the sidelines. Oh well.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:31 am

I think the scat back/change of pace RB they had was Montgomery. It seemed like that is how they planned on using him until he got hurt.

There really wasn't any true change of pace/scat back types in the draft last year.

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NickPerry's picture

January 05, 2016 at 05:26 am

Did anyone notice the gmae DuJuan Harris had Sunday for the 49ers? He had 18 runs, 7 receptions for like 143 yards ( Forgot exact totals but that's close). Instead TT and MM keep 3 backs that are very much a like>

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NickPerry's picture

January 05, 2016 at 05:28 am

Did anyone notice the gmae DuJuan Harris had Sunday for the 49ers? He had 18 runs, 7 receptions for like 143 yards ( Forgot exact totals but that's close). Instead TT and MM keep 3 backs that are very much a like. Harris would have been better than any 3rd RB they had this season. Hey maybe Crockett will be the next Adrian Foster.

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:44 am

Count the plays and there sussess where Kuhn was on the field vs on the sideline.

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jh9's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:25 pm

This team had won a Super Bowl and four straight NFC conference championships in a row.
Last year we came within one play of going to the Super Bowl.
This year we started out with six straight wins and then...
The writing is on the wall.
2010 was a fluke.
No one knew who Aaron Rodgers really was as a player until the playoffs began in 2010.
His maturation as a premier NFL quarterback during the 2010 playoffs lifted the Packers to a Super Bowl title.
Obviously this team could not have a accomplished what it has accomplished over the past five years if they didn’t have talent.
There are no excuses for a professional NFL team to play this poorly now except the coaching staff is unable to get the most out of the players it has.
Whether the poor quality of play derives from poor communication and/or play design matters little.
This team has peaked under the Mike McCarthy/Ted Thompson regime.
It is my personal belief that Mike McCarthy has lost this team and he needs to be replaced.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:28 am

Amen!

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:12 pm

Blasphemy!

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:53 am

'2010 was a fluke.'

I'm sick of seeing this comment. If winning 1 super bowl and not winning another for a few years, that means just about every team that wins the super bowl is a fluke.

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jh9's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:49 am

Mike McCarthy did not want to draft Aaron Rodgers when he was a coach for the 49ers. Just like about everyone else, I don't think MM knew how good AR was until the 2010 playoffs.

You don't have to call it a fluke if you don't want to. My point is, is that the 2010 Super Bowl was more about the players than the plays and I happen to believe when all is said and done history will show that.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:00 am

"My point is, is that the 2010 Super Bowl was more about the players than the plays"

I would argue that this is true (players over plays) the majority of the time.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:28 am

Yeah, I agree its more about players then plays. After they won that Super Bowl they lost some key players, that they never got back.

I just am tired of seeing that the Packers winning the Super Bowl is a fluke because they only won 1.

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jh9's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:25 am

I will stand by my belief that no one (including Mike McCarthy) knew how good Aaron Rodgers really was until the 2010 playoffs. No one knew until the 2010 playoffs that the Packers had drafted one of the statistically best quarterbacks not only for the Packers franchise, but in NFL history. According to the dictionary:

Fluke “...a lucky or improbable occurrence...”

I believe Aaron Rodgers blossoming into an elite NFL quarterback right at the start of the 2010 NFL playoffs embodies the perfect definition of a "fluke." And that it was his play more than anything else that allowed the Packers go from the last seed to another Lombardi Trophy. To me, that qualifies the 2010 Super Bowl win as a fluke. Mostly certainly, it wasn't the coaching of Mike McCarthy.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:28 am

Was not a fluke. But it is true the players and Aaron won in spite of McCarthy. They had a true leader in Woodson, an on the field coach. McCarthy made some bad decisions in the playoffs that fortunately did not cost us a game, but they were there.

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jh9's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:49 am

If it truly is players and not plays that win most of the time, and if Aaron Rodgers' play during the 2010 playoffs was mostly responsible (He did win the Super Bowl MVP), and his maturation as one of the best quarterbacks of his generation happened right at the start of those playoffs, then YES, I believe the winning of the Super Bowl in 2010 can be classified as a "fluke."

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John30856's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:25 pm

Does anyone here remember how close we were to being in th eSB last year?????

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:39 pm

yup.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:13 pm

2010 was a fluke. 2010 was a fluke. 2010 was a fluke.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:39 pm

ok, that actually made me laugh.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:40 pm

good job of making me laugh Tyler.

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porupack's picture

January 04, 2016 at 05:59 am

The rant against ARogers is total betrayal by fickle fans. I'm disgusted.
Blaming AR is simply ignorant. It has been a catastrophic failure by 80 % of the team all year, including those first 6 wins btw....so the blame goes right to the coaches. You can't get away with suddenly blaming AR for dragging the team down when 3 months ago he was "all world quarterback" and "arguably best in history of the gam" (which is all I heard all last year and off season). The whole team has failed categorically...Oline, Lacy, Masthay, WRs and QB. Only Kuhn played at or above his potential.

The coaches have totally failed to prepare the team to win. Too many wasted TOs, holding penalties, missed assignments poor play concepts and game concepts. The team couldn't run with Lacy (too slow and hesitant) and didn't insert Crockett or have other change of pace runners. MM has had a very limited game plan all year, and just doesn't get players' practice into game effectiveness. He has failed all year.

Fire MM.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:03 am

I agree with your take on Rodgers...

Simply put though, if Rodgers plays like we have seen him play, they are a different team.
Just to highlight a few of the plays. That 4th down play if Rodgers hits Jones (like he has in the past) in stride that is likely a TD or at least a very long completion. Instead he is late with the throw and throws it behind Jones, which allowed the DB to get to Jones. (That should have been pass interference). But a good throw there and its a different game.
The 4th quarter, 4th down play where he throws an INT. If he throws to the outside its a TD.
He simply has not been as good as we are accustomed to seeing.

That all being said, your right. Its not all on Rodgers. How many dropped passes have we seen. The OL has not protected well enough.

But IMO, the biggest problem is the coaches are not doing enough to help this team. Simple things the coaches could do to help the offense out they don't do. They don't rotated players enough to make a difference, they don't change looks, they don't attack the entire field, they rarely do anything schematically to get players open, they don't use the players at their strengths.
There are so many things the coaches could do to get more out of this team, its shocking to see how reluctant they are to do so.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:50 am

Amen

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carusotrap's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:08 am

In other words, they coach the team they WANT instead of the team they have. So, assuming the coaches retain their jobs, it seems the personnel guys need to get the coaching guys the team they WANT. Except Ted Thompson doesn't get the guys we need, he gets the guys he can get give the self-imposed budget/philosophical restrictions he has.

The way this thing gets turned around is when Ted Thompson is no longer the GM, and that will be a painful (and likely, losing, for a while) transition.

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Mags's picture

January 05, 2016 at 03:40 pm

Spot on.

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tjm65's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:51 pm

Exactly

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:26 pm

It's not all on Rodgers, the WR have to catch balls, and the RBs have to gain yards behind the OL blocks.

However, Rodgers DOES touch the ball on every offensive snap, he DOES have the ability to change most plays at the LOS, etc and so forth, and he HAS played well below his standard for the majority of the season.

For ten years, the COACHES have COACHED about the same way they always have. You gripe about PLAYCALLING, something that was changed (Clements_ and changed back (MM), but also is something we know can be CHANGED more often than not at the LINE OF SCRIMMAGE by RODGERS.

Look, you can believe with all your heart that MM is the problem, but there's very little tangible evidence he is. On the other side of things, there's roughly 12 games worth of film that clearly shows Aaron Rodgers not PERFORMING up to his standard of play- that's poor throws, poor decisions, missed reads, etc and so forth.

Why is it when the QB is critiqued- not being called on to be fired, but CRITIQUED- everyone hollers "it's a team failure, it's not just one man", but it's so easy for everyone to point the finger at a HC, a man whose job is largely unseen by the public, and demand his job be terminated. For christ's sake, I keep reading comments about MM using the exact same formations and plays as always to run the same offense that isn't working with these players. Are you kidding me? Have these people been watching the games? We're running two back sets, two TE sets, Kuhn was chipping rushers last night. Seen a bunch of interesting formations. Good god!

It's crazy to me. You know what? I REALLY, REALLY believed Rodgers was in a funk earlier in the season, and I REALLY REALLY believed he'd break out of it by week 10. I was dead wrong. However. I certainly wouldn't fire anyone over this season. It's a 10-6 season with a playoff berth, while the team has horribly underperformed- too many bad passes, to many bad drops, too many lost opportunities.

All this talk of firing people.. it sounds like Detroit around here.

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cpheph1's picture

January 05, 2016 at 01:54 pm

You've provided the best comment I've read in this thread!

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paxbak's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:00 am

- This team feels like the 2006 version. They went 6-10 I believe or 4-12. I had no emotion watching this game - I never sit for an entire game - I have a feel like the game doesn't mean anything - we are done and I know it.
- Oline played better in the second half - Sitton played solid LT surprisingly
- Team looked like old self a bit in the last 2 out of three drives. Where did that come from? 20 - 3 letdown by the vikes?
- Something is off with Rodgers = could it be decline? Lack of talented offensive players has a bearing as well
- Defense played good enough to win - Vikings dont have a great offense though once you stop AP.
- Like the 2006 team - this team can't score in the red zone - I knew we wouldn't be able to score from the 10
- Like the 2006 team, these guys are just plain bad but it can turn around quick - see 2007 team that was a J Bush fumble recovery away from the Super Bowl (Yes, another gut shot playoff game loss)
- At least we won't have the same experience as last year when the team lost in the worst defeat in NFL history. Still not over that one or the 1997 Super Bowl loss or the 2003 loss to Philly (4th and 26) Or the 2007 loss to the Giants at home or the 2011 Philbins childs funeral service against the Giants. I couldn't take another one. Yes, this year is not a quick gut wrenching death, it was a slow one.
- Washington will destroy this team!!
- Like 2006, I think I will record the next game and fast forward later to see what happened. Not worth sitting through commercials.
- I guess we'll pick some offensive players in the next draft?

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GVPacker's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:51 am

McCarthy's First Year 2006, Record was 8-8! 2008 6-10!

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paxbak's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:21 am

I stand corrected, it was 2005 and they went 4 - 12. Didn't care that year either after the first 5 games. Normally I am a stand and scream unreasonable Packer fan. After the last four weeks, including the Dallas and Oakland games, I don't care because of how bad the team looks.

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MikeHoncho's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:37 pm

You are absolutely correct. This team has gone into games week in and week out looking like a bunch of zombies on the field. They show no heart or determination. It's hard for the fans to care, when the team doesn't look like they care.

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MikeHoncho's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:37 pm

You are absolutely correct. This team has gone into games week in and week out looking like a bunch of zombies on the field. They show no heart or determination. It's hard for the fans to care, when the team doesn't look like they care.

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Bill Utech's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:02 am

Seriously how bad is the NFL? This Packers team in the playoffs, what a joke!!

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:13 am

This Washington team in the playoffs? What a joke!

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:23 pm

It's filled with a bunch of millionaires supported by morons who buy their product. Google it.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:11 am

The fact That this team abandons the west coast concepts that are designed to be successful against the man coverage they are seeing until they have pissed the game away over and over is just baffling.

This team needs a serious reorg on the offensive coach staff. Maybe put Bennett back to coaching WRs, bring back Joe Philbin to do the game planning, and send Tom Clements some where else.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:30 am

That's a start....

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:32 am

Could not agree more. Team at end actually looked like themselves, but not until it was late and of course there were no timeouts left. That's what hurt most because it is the coaching that has stifled this team.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:19 pm

Poked like themselves with Brett Rodgers throwing a crap pass that was easily knocked down in the end zone. No Hail Mary, just Amen. By then 80% of the fools who attended that pile of shit game had gone home drunk and hating themselves.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:32 am

Great game plan on the first drive.. After that, absolutely nothing until they had to show up again in the 4th Quarter.

This offense has absolutely no direction. The way they try to rotate players is terrible. The way they try to use their players is terrible.
I'm sorry but using Kuhn, as a WR is just a terrible idea. The only thing worse is trying to pretend Rodgers is like Finley. That pass to Rodgers in the flat is far worse then the old FB dive.

Rodgers was bad until the 4th quarter. And even then he wasn't great.

While the players could play better to me the simple coaching decisions have been horrible and is what is severely limiting this offense. That is what is dragging this offense down. They have not done enough to create different looks/mismatches. Watching Minnesota running a Jet sweep and other plays only adds fuel to the fire.
But for me its the simple things. Rotating Lacy and Starks. Why run Lacy the entire first drive and then not have him on the field until later in the 2nd quarter? Why can't they mix Lacy and Starks in on each drive? Why do they have to run 1 player the entire drive? I get it they are trying to go up tempo. Well how about get the right matchups then go uptempo.
I think this offense would be much better off if they would rotate different players in every down and create different looks. Use every player they have and try to use their strengths...

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:06 am

"Why run Lacy the entire first drive and then not have him on the field until later in the 2nd quarter? Why can't they mix Lacy and Starks in on each drive? Why do they have to run 1 player the entire drive?"

Exactly. I am so fed up with that. I mean what is the point in doing that. . Uptempo. Great but if it keeps failing why beat a dead horse Who else ever does that.
I' d like to see someone ask coach that question for once.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:07 am

I HATE how they rotate players in. And how they don't use other players at all...
They are the only team that I know that uses 1 RB for an entire drive, then another RB for another drive.

Especially when Lacy is playing hurt. He would be more effective to play fewer plays at a time.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:42 am

Injured rib is the only sane answer.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:04 am

"I'm sorry but using Kuhn, as a WR is just a terrible idea. "

I'll disagree here. Many teams (who still employ a FB) will commonly split a FB out wide to try to draw a LB or S out of the middle and clear the underneath/middle crossing stuff. It's not that uncommon.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:34 am

Not uncommon, but I still don't like it. I get what they are trying to do. I would much rather see them bring in a 4th WR to get the defense into a different look.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:14 am

What does this say about the faith the Packers have in their 4th WR?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:06 pm

4th? I don't have faith in the 3rd one.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:46 pm

Lol. I don't have faith in any of them at this point.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:33 am

On the positive, the D held the Vikings to 13 points. that should've been enough to win. Loved Crosby's effort to force that fumble. And of course, that Hyde INT was unreal, and one of the greatest catches I've ever seen a DB make...

Sitton didn't play very well, but I didn't expect that. I actually almost dropped my adult beverage when I saw at the beginning that he was starting at LT. He was a bit better than I expected, though, and I applaud his effort.
What did or does Lacy do to constantly land in the doghouse? It seems that whenever he is putting in a hard run or has some success, then he is immediately pulled out. Now he wasn't great yesterday, but he was and is the best RB we have. Yet he is spending a lot of time on the sideline...

And I think it was very obvious yesterday what the problem of the O really is. #12. Croatpackfan and I were the only ones who consistently pointed that out the last few weeks. Hope all have seen it now. While there were some good throws, the majority was unbelievably bad. That Rhodes INT was so beyond bad, I thought I saw old Cutler throwing the ball there. Throw it to the pylon and it is either an incomplete or, with the way JJones was playing yesterday, more likely a TD. Some of the throws were so far off a receiver that I really couldn't believe my eyes. I do believe what I said last week is what I believe even more - this is the begin of the physical decline. Couple that with the obvious that his head is not in the game, and I think it is time to look at other options. And again, receivers were open, but I am sure most posters here will again trot out the old narrative 'WRs cannot get open...'

I firmly believe some players on O are only there since #12 wants to throw to them and only them (e.g. Adams at the moment), and some will never see the field unless necessary due to injury (e.g. Abby).

Look, when I sign out of my email account I am taken to yahoo.com. In past years, I had seen a lot of articles about #12, but mostly football related. Now, I see a lot of articles about #12, but mostly non-football related. I do believe his head is not in the game anymore. This to me has the feel of the NFCCG game when Favre threw that ill-advised pass to DD when all other receivers on the play were wide open. Before that, it was clear he really didn't want to be there anymore. whenever I saw #12 enter the field yesterday, I had the same feel. That faraway look, the smirk after bad plays, it really [email protected]@ed me off. I wished McC had some balls and pulled him, but unfortunately not.

Reminds me of an article that Matt Bowen wrote years ago at NFP - he remembered that some is some playoff games he played in, veterans would show up literally with their stuff packed up and ready to go and take off right after that game - and that's how they played. And I get the same feel with #12 - he is already packing now, and I am sure the tickets are already bought for a GB to LAX flight next weekend or Monday morning...

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sheppercheeser's picture

January 04, 2016 at 06:33 am

I haven't heard MM take any responsibility for any of these embarrassing losses (not the Vikes at home for gosh sakes!). First it was Clements fault, and now? What does MM say? "We gotta get healthy". Well MM, every team in the NFL can say that at this time of the season. Get yourself a mirror! There's your problem!

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:06 am

Just last week, MM in the Sunday PC or Monday presser said, "this one is on me. We need to prepare better, we need to play better..." At this stage, does it really mean anything? Nope.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:21 am

It's ok. People just want MM and Capers gone so badly that no matter what they do or say it will never be right.

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:29 am

People assume that changing the coaches or the GM immediately makes everything better, but more often than not, the team suffers...especially when there isn't a lot of room to move up.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:27 am

Exactly.

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John30856's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:32 pm

By The way the Viqueens came into last nights game on a real roll. All have forgotten that tidbit too

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:08 am

Might as well cut to the chase

Good. Defense, Crosby

Ugly. "Play not to get too far behind MM" and whatever that was that could be called a Game plan. 3 3/4 of no O and horrendous time management.

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NickPerry's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:07 am

Maybe it's because his Scouting Staff has been picked apart, maybe it's because his QB is now 32 and not 27 and able to cover the many "Weak Spots" on this team, but Ted Thompson needs to be replaced. Any well run business has quality people at the top, it starts there and Football IS a business. Each and every team in the Playoffs that's a threat to win has a QB, uses Free Agency, and will use Trades to better their teams. EVERY team except the Packers. Thompson's solution to EVERYTHING has been the UDFA. Even though he's hit on a few, he's counted on far to many to help this team get where they strive to get to, The Superbowl. The "Weak Spots" on this team have been the same for years now. How many times did you guys wonder WHY Thompson didn't pick Eric Kenricks, while the Packers still haven't replaced Bishop since 2012? While Randell and Rollins have been pleasant additions, one can't help wonder what might have been had Thompson signed House and drafted Kendricks who's going to be GREAT! BTW, entering yesterdays game Devon House was #3 in the NFL in Passes Defensed.
Watching Richard Rodgers catch a pass on 3rd and 4 only to be stopped short by Kendricks tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about the TE position, another position Thompsons failed to address since 2013 when Finley was hurt. While Rodgers had a decent game last night, he's to damn slow to really give this team what they need from the position. Then there was Josh Sitton being moved to tackle because Thompson has FAILED to have even ONE decent back-up O-Lineman. That's just 3 of many examples. If Thompson IS kept which I'm sure he will be, it MUST be under the condition he'll use EVERY avenue available to improve his team.

Side Note: Elliott Wolfe is going to get snatched up by someone this year, maybe it should be the Packers.

It seems McCarthy has lost this team like several others have mentioned. Personally I think McCarthy is a good coach, but 10 years anywhere is a long time. I don't know if he's lost the team but one things for sure, he's been unable to adapt to the loss of Jordy Nelson. I think we learned the hard way this season you don't combine the WR and QB coaches together into one. EVERY receiver took huge steps backwards or in the case of others, failed to get better. Maybe the Packers just NEVER recovered from 5:07 away from a SB only to watch the entire coaching staff throw it away.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:15 am

I agree with many points.

For the record I wanted Kendricks. I would have been very happy if they would have drafted Kendricks in round 1 and Rollins in round 2.
That being said, I am very happy with Randall.

I don't think McCarthy has lost the team. If he has lost the team, I don't see this team playing as hard as they do in the 4th quarter.

But, I do think there is a major disconnect between McCarthy and Rodgers and the offensive players though. It feels like they are butting heads pretty hard right now. We have heard Rodgers and Lang and Sitton talking about need to do more schematically to attack teams. While McCarthy fires back with players needing to execute more. I think there is conflict in there.
They I think need to have a big time meeting and air out all of their differences.

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NickPerry's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:32 am

All good points RC, but when your down 20-3 enetring the 4th quarter I think if nothing else pride and the players competitiveness will surface. But I totally agree about the disconnect and that just can't be what's happening between the HC and QB.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:34 pm

Like I've said before and got shit one for, Ted has drafted poorly since 2011. This team counts on its 3-5 year players to carry the load in the draft only strategy and those drafts simply did not yield enough playmakers.

Has anyone else considered the Ted avoids free agency because he's bad at it? You can be successful with free agents. Just look at the Cardinals and Patriots, they don't do Chip Kelly stupid shit. They sign guys who help their teams.

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Oppy's picture

January 06, 2016 at 05:20 pm

Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett, Julius Peppers, John Kuhn.

He's not bad at it.

Perhaps he's overly discriminating.

But he's certainly not too bad at it.

James Jones was practically 60% of the passing offense this year, too.

Just sayin'.

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NickPerry's picture

January 05, 2016 at 05:36 am

Jeremyjjbrown I actually agreed and was right there with you BUT Free Agency is the one thing he's done well, he just doesn't use it enough. I mean there was Woodson and Pickett and a several year gap before he signed Peppers and Guion. He'll depending on the draft and who's left after the first wave of FA, I like to see Ted sign a TE (Several good TE's will be FA in 2016) and/or and ILB. If I was Thompson I'd make damn sure I drafted Ragland, the ILB from Alabama AND dive into FA. Also love the TE from Arkansas.

Oops, oppy had that covered.

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Gforcetrivers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:05 am

We have reached FULL CONSISTENCY! This isn't even worth watching and I love the Packers. How bad can a team be? Just watch the Packers! We suck!

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vj_ostrowski's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:05 am

The NFCCG last year caused the battle of egos between Rodgers and McCarthy to reach, IMO, a nigh irreparable rift. And now it's cost us a season.

And because of what happened to Clements, I'm not sure there's any going back. As Rodgers sees Clements demoted (and possibly let go in the offseason), how does he get back in the meeting room with MM?

I'm not sure he does. I have this sick feeling that it's AR or MM this offseason. And while the choice is obvious, it's not one a QB should ask the brass to make.

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Packmaniac's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:06 am

Eddie Lacy appears to be getting fatter by the week. That's my gut reaction. So to speak.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:54 am

Lacy was wearing extra padding to protect his ribs. Kudos to him for playing hurt.

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Packmaniac's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:11 am

I actually heard Nick Perry's name mentioned during the broadcast. I was shocked.

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jbromusic's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:27 am

i had actually forgotten that he was still on this team!

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J0hn Denver's Gavel's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:12 pm

Was he mentioned when he was beat in coverage on a wheel route along the sideline? Was the only play I remember seeing him on the field.

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carusotrap's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:11 am

I know we want this to be play-calling and injuries, because that means MM figures it out and a few guys get healthy and voila, life is good. Sorry. This is systemic.

Let's place the responsibility where it belongs: Ted Thompson. We've been dancing around this for years, because he does hit on this UDFA or that 7th rounder more often than most, but the game has moved on, and he has left us with Don Barclay, the guy being paid, being replaced by a guy who hasn't played Barclay's spot since high school. And Sitton did better than Barclay would have.

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Kyle Graham's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:16 am

Wow fellas, the world has ended apparently... Seriously you guys are what make packers fans look so bad. We sound like idiots. Every week we bash the same guys we praised for years. It's obnoxious. We are in the playoffs and everyone is 0-0 now. We have a chance because we are in. Gotta be in it to win it.

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Gforcetrivers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:03 am

No the world has not ended. There is one more game to be played. You know what they say...Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Everyone here loves the Packers and is used to seeing a certain level of play and unfortunately that isn't happening lately. You have to admit the TEAM is just not what we are used seeing. The bar is higher for the Packers and they just aren't cutting it this year.

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paxbak's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:22 am

No chance because we stink. There is nothing that shows me this team is anywhere ready for playoff football. I knew the 2010 team could beat anybody. This team is bottom third of the league. How can you be so optimistic after what you have seen?

I guess there is always a chance that the 22 starters from the other team could drop dead during the playoffs game four games in a row, which is technically a chance. Reminds me when George on Seinfeld wanted to put his fiance on a flight thinking he could get rid of her if the plane crashed.... It's a chance!!

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John30856's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:37 pm

you are a liar to say you knew the 2010 team could beat any body!

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zoellner25's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:20 am

Regardless of how we all feel about the issue of timeouts and play calling, this is how I see it. Players have regressed. The team has regressed. The offense has really regressed. We lost at home to every NFC north team and 6 of our last 10. Unacceptable. MM should be fired......

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:27 am

My gut reaction right now is that I think this team would be better off to lose to Washington and lose to them pretty bad.

This would allow them to get a higher draft pick, and would allow the management to see that changes have to be made.

That would mean that Thompson would need to go out and bring in some veteran free agents. They don't have to go out and break the bank on players, but they could really use some help and plug some holes they have had for a while.

Getting a higher draft pick will allow the team to get some better players. If they are picking 4 spots lower each round, they could be missing out on a player each round that they could have had by winning this game.

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marpag1's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:59 am

My gut reaction right now is that I think this team would be better off to... go on and win the Superbowl. But maybe that's just me.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:04 am

Trust me I would much rather see this team win the Super Bowl.

I really think they can do it too..
Their defense has played really good this year.

While the offense has not played great or even good, I still think they could play a ton better and get back to some of what we have seen. As I have mentioned before they have to attack teams more schematically. They have to be more creative. They have to create mismatches and have to find ways to get the defense on their toes.

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NickPerry's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:11 pm

Love the attitude but even I can't put on my "Homer Hat" and grasp how that could happen.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:44 am

I hope the Pack win and get things together on Offense, but I would also be eternally grateful if Washington put us fans out of our misery. This sh*t here has to stop.

I'm young compared to most here, so I didn't grow up watching any horrible looking Packers teams. I guess I'm spoiled. I think I'm emotionally done with this season -- the same as Rodgers. I'll be watching. I'll be hoping. I won't be siked (again).

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:27 pm

So young, yet so wise. May the force be with you grasshopper.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:44 am

I cannot state this any more emphatically...

When we win the Super Bowl I will not be purchasing the "Road to SB 50" video.

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Razer's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:13 am

Too funny.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 04, 2016 at 03:24 pm

Thanks Razer. Be sure to tip your waiters and waitresses and drive safely on the way home...

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Since'61's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:53 am

Our defense deserved a better fate, they played well enough to win. The offense just cannot get it done with the patchwork OL and with the receiving corps that we currently have. TE is too slow. Where was Abbrederis? We waited much too long to open up the offense. They got some rhythm going late in the 3rd and 4th qtr when they opened up the passing game. Lacy's rib injury kept him out of much of the game. He was pretty effective while he was in there, but couldn't stay with it. Packers keep beating themselves with penalties and turnovers. 21 points in the last 2 games tells us how much this offense has fallen. On to Washington. Thanks, Since '61

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Tony_Wilson's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:54 am

Aaron said it best a few weeks ago.. I love this team, but that's just the logo on the helmet. The guys on the sidelines and in uniform are completely and utterly lost.

This team needs to get Old Yeller'd next week. Put themselves as well as the fans out of their misery.

These guys are a joke.

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Nerd's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:56 am

The talent is there and the play calling is as much "there" as it has ever been.

The problem is, Aaron is sand bagging this team on purpose.

Look at those last three plays.

1: JJ wide open down the sideline. Aaron waits until he's covered, then throws incomplete in the endzone.

2: Time winding down, you throw to RR, who is unable to get out of bounds. You can't spike it, because it's now 4th down.

3: The INT last week and the one he lacksadaisically threw up this week are also both suspicious, IMO.

This isn't Aaron. We all know how well he can play. He's pissing this season away on purpose due to his tantrum against Mike.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:03 am

"This isn't Aaron. We all know how well he can play. He's pissing this season away on purpose due to his tantrum against Mike"

Would you want a QB like that on your team? I damn sure wouldn't. I don't care how good he is. That's a slap in the face to the organization and the fans.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:35 pm

Dude, I think Rodgers has a quirky, less than perfect personality..

But c'mon, man, you REALLY believe he's INTENTIONALLY shitting the bed because of his friction with MM?

Even if he was THAT petty (Which I don't believe he is), Aaron loves his numbers and loves to win FAR too much and is far too prideful to piss them away over a personal/professional conflict

My estimation is it's more likely Rodgers was putting too much pressure on himself to carry the team every play, and he performed poorly under his self imposed pressure.

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John30856's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:45 pm

you really need to seek therapy

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MikeHoncho's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:48 pm

There is no way in hell he is sand bagging the team. I think we just need to face the fact that his skills are declining, and at a rapid pace. He is just not mentally there anymore for whatever reason. Maybe his life off the field matters more to him now and he is just not putting forth the effort that he used to. Who knows. Only Aaron knows the true answer.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:32 pm

What I don't understand is why can't people believe a player is just having a bad year? Yea, I'm just as disappointed as the rest of the fans, but to say Rodgers has to go and forget what he's done in the past (MVP just last season) is asinine. Asi-nine....asi-te....I won't do that.

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Nerd's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:48 pm

Go back and watch those last three plays.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:02 pm

This is really simple.

If you REALLY believe Aaron Rodgers is intentionally dogging plays- ever, much less in the NFC north title game-

Just announce right here, right now, in no uncertain terms, that you want the Green Bay Packers to immediately sever all ties with Rodgers.

I want you to put it in print, that you want Ted Thompson to cut Rodgers loose immediately.

Because if what you're saying is what you really believe- there is ZERO place for a player like that on ANY NFL ROSTER.

What you are claiming is straight up asinine.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 07:11 pm

Agree. Rodgers' play is all on the O line this year, together with the WRs being what they are this year. No TE to speak of so what do we expect. He is to me just frustrated with all of it and the stupid coaching committee that MM has set up. He is not a rah rah leader by any means and I do wish he would be more vocal so I think he may have lost the aura he used to have with his teammates. I think he is so frustrated he is losing focus but all the talk of his decline is nonsense. Who would be better in this situation. ? MM has not made any adjustments and the guy has been pounded like no other year.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:49 pm

I don't agree that Rodgers' play is all on the O line.

I think up until the last three weeks when the OL has been depleted by injury at multiple positions, most of the pressure and hits Rodgers had taken were because he was holding the ball for over 3.5 seconds repeatedly.

Don't believe the hype, there HAVE been open WRs on the field on many of those plays where Rodgers is hanging onto the ball for far too long in a collapsing pocket, but he has either not seen them or deliberately passed them over looking for a specific guy or the deep(er) pass option.

One other thing nobody has talked about is timing routes, in which a WR is often 'covered' when the ball is supposed to be released, because he hasn't made his break yet... I saw little to no attempt at these types of throws. They aren't magic, they aren't something only the most elite of QB's and WR's even attempt- although they DO require the QB to throw to a spot on the field and trust that the WR is going to do his part to be there. I get it, Rodgers has had issues with his WRs early in the season letting him down... but these types of timing routes are often the short, quick hitting routes that efficient, stick-moving offenses are built upon. Most of the season, ROdgers ignored those routes.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:18 pm

I just watched MM's presser from today (monday), follow the link and check out what MM has to say at about the 15 minute mark till the end of the clip. You may want to start around 14:15 for full context.

At any rate, it seems to speak to what I'm talking about with Rodgers being responsible for quite a bit of his own punishment.

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Mike-McCarthy-intends-to-win-...

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Nerd's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:28 pm

I've been calling for Aaron to take a seat for several weeks now.

Just like I called for Bert to take a seat at the halftime of the '07 NFCCG.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:36 pm

Taking a seat and being cut are two different things.

There have been points during certain games this season I would have been okay with seeing Rodgers on the sideline because he was ineffective and getting hammered. There has never been a time I thought he was intentionally missing throws. If there was, I would have zero hesitation in cutting him.

Again, do you really believe he was intentionally throwing the ball poorly to sabotage the success of a play because he's got a beef with McCarthy?

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egbertsouse's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:00 am

Did you notice the way Seattle demolished a team that beat us 38-8? At least we won't have to witness the bloodbath that would've occurred had the Packers won.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:07 pm

By your logic, the Packers should be able to beat the Seattle Seahawks twice, because the Packers beat St. Louis, who beat Seattle twice this season.

C'mon, man. Football is about match ups...

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efox2011's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:04 am

Aaron, when do we (or did we) have to start worrying that this shitty version of Rodgers is just who we have now? He is just ******* horrible, and, right now, seemingly uncoachable.

Clements needs to go for a plethora of reasons, but primarily because Rodgers needs a coach in the room who isn't his buddy, like Clements is. This staff needs some new blood, in particular, someone to tell Rodgers that right now he is closer to the worst starting QB in the league than the best.

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Horse's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:06 am

So many comments: "This team..."
Fix the O and this team is plenty good enough.

These are the same players on O (-JN) who played last season, pretty much. We're watching regression and confusion this season. MM's lab experiment on O is a dismal failure. When MM takes gut shots his reaction is to stiffen. There does need to be a shakeup but it's not because "This team..."

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dobber's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:13 am

"Fix the O and this team is plenty good enough."

What "this team" needs is to go out and dominate an opponent for 60 minutes. It needs to re-learn how to win and what it feels like to clearly be the better team on the field. A dose of confidence will do "this team" wonders.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:42 pm

Where are these "doses" of confidence available? May we assume that if all they need is confidence, then that can be magically brought forth? Saint Vince, calling Coach Lombardi.....hello! We beg forgiveness for our lack of confidence, Saint Vincent. Won't you please bless us with a dose or 53 of magic confidence sprinkles!

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Bearmeat's picture

January 04, 2016 at 08:12 am

Agree with all above. I love this franchise. Hate the 2015 Packers team. Worst team in GB in a decade. And the talent was there. Ugh.

Whatever. I can't bring myself to root against GB ever. But I wouldn't be upset it they lost next week.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:45 pm

Talent is there? Heeeeellloooo? They just need confidence and schematic changes, and an accurate quarterback, or better backups......the list of excuses is endless.

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brewers_rule's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:17 am

HEEEEYYY!!! What's this Negative Nilly talk?! We got 10 wins and a playoff birth again! Everything is awesome and we're all spoiled fans, remember? "Stop being 'so angry' and enjoy the ride" is what I believe I was told on here by more than one #intedwetrust poster continually towing the MM/TT water.

As a great man once said: "What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!"

Now let's get ready for that mighty 13pt eruption against those awesome Redskins and the playoff appearance we don't appreciate after they beat us 20-13 or so! We are the Packers & it doesn't matter if we lost all our home divisional games this year, got demolished by Denver/Carolina and could potentially lose 3 in a row to close the season w/both a divisional & playoff loss for the first time since who knows when? It doesn't matter all the road teams in the Wild Card round are favored EXCEPT us. No, what really matters is that we enjoy the fact we're here & we've had not one, but TWO HOF QB's to enjoy even if we've been farting both their careers away to the wind in the meantime.

I mean, we wouldn't wanna be the Houston Texans, now would we? (Oh wait, they're winning with 1 WR & Brandon Weeden at QB so their life is miserable, right?) Or the Kansas City Chiefs who haven't won in forever behind no WR's, Alex Smith, & nobodies at RB after JC went down? Nah, I'd much rather join the Buffalo Bills fans who can take pride in all those playoff appearances in the 90's even if they lost over..and over..and over..and over, right? Because they were THERE man!

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ray nichkee's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:58 am

Congrats buddy, you are officially a jackass. Go have an al cow da party. I'll make the kool-aid.

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brewers_rule's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:52 am

Yeah, and you're the one living off of NFC North wins like it's valuable in today's NFL. It's not the 60's, it's not the 80's, it's the 21st Century & even within the hallowed halls of Lambeau Field, coaches have been fired for FAR less mediocrity than MM has had over the years (Rhodes got ONE year, ONE! Sherman was barely better & TT threw him overboard after one year too).

You're one of the guys that was drinking the MM Kool-Aid of 'we only need a few adjustments' and we are so spoiled, we should be happy with this season regardless. Don't reflect your love of mediocrity on me when all I did was point out what Nagler has previously: there is something WRONG with this team and NO ONE is going to fix it or, due to jackasses like you who tell people who point it out to shut up, even SAY anything about it.

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brewers_rule's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:57 am

And just for the record, I don't think MM needs to be fired but TT needs to take a SERIOUS look in the mirror at how slow both him AND MM are to deal with problems on this team. TT needs to either learn to react quicker to fixing problems before a season's lost like this or they DO need to pack their damned bags. Because if your measure of success is beating the pathetic Lions/Bears/Vikes, we couldn't even do THAT at HOME this year as Thompson's offensive draft picks fail to show up since week FIVE, dude. Refusing to participate in free agency or draft for need when we KNOW we have holes is stubborn & stupid. That kind of thinking isn't ANY different from the Al Davis/Jerry Jones school of thought but apparently you're fine with that as long as they make the playoffs now and then. Lombardi would've disagreed with you, PERIOD.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:23 am

I have a lot of thoughts but i restrained myself from posting until now. I will share 3 with you.

1. Take away the fake punt and the defense held the queens to 10 points. The pack should have won.

2. Getting swept at home in the division is fucking embarrassing!

3. Im still hungover and i dont think i drank that much. My dog is hungover too and no, i dont kick her.

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lebowski's picture

January 04, 2016 at 09:27 am

Thompson did a great job building the talent of this team. Starting to feel like his tenure has reached its potential, though. I hate reading comments in Bob McGinn's articles from other scouts when they say that our pro scouts are probably just working the draft. It's ridiculous that we almost never sign ANYONE despite glaring weaknesses. The fact that our pass rush has been non-existent for much of this year, and a team like Arizona that has a top level defense still goes and signs Freeney to boost theirs, is so frustrating to me. Bring on Eliot or Schneider. We don't need to reinvent the wheel, just need some tweaking and use BOTH the draft and free agency to improve.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:19 am

Thanks Big L. Where have you been lately? I think TT goes when he wants too. Doubt Murphy would make that change.

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lebowski's picture

January 04, 2016 at 02:38 pm

Been traveling a ton for work and with the Pack's losing streak, the comments sections are so lengthy I usually don't bother :)

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:50 am

I'm down with that.

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Kyle Graham's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:15 am

I think we are all missing something here. The packers since 2011 have been a joke of a defensive unit and now we actually have some playmakers. I think with jordy coming back healthy and some added talent via the draft this team will be a top 5 team again in the NFL. Remember guys for years it looked like this defense was gonna be a joke. We have a lot of young ballers who are gonna continue to improve. Rollins, randle, Daniels, Matthews, dix, pennel, Burnett, shields, Barrington, Elliot, and Ryan. That's a great young defensive unit. I'm predicting they bring back philbin as the OC and demote Clements back to strictly being a qb coach. We are gonna be fine. We are a tight end and 3rd down back away from title contention in my opinion. I hope they draft Henry from Arkansas. He's a beast and he's got great hands. Can spread the field as well.

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@ballark's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:45 am

This is the same kind of entitlement I talk about in my post below...

"We are gonna be fine. We are a tight end and 3rd down back away from title contention"

Here's the reality: the wheels have totally come off. We just lost the North. Good teams (Arizona, Carolina) have KILLED us. Middle of the road teams are beating us. Is Jordy the one on defense missing tackles for the last 4 seasons? Does Jordy play any o-line positions? Is Jordy missing throws the way Rodgers now does consistently? This team is so miserable right now and we are nowhere close to contending for the North, let alone a title (I even laughed a little writing that last part)......a title. Please.

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Kyle Graham's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:38 pm

If you don't think Green Bay will be right in the thick of things next season you don't understand football at all. We are the model of consistency. Name another franchise that has made 7 straight playoff appearances in the last 7 seasons not named New England?

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@ballark's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:31 pm

I'm a big TT supporter, and I would 100% agree with you that Green Bay "has been" a model of consistency. But that doesn't mean we always will be! I'm not saying abandon the draft/develop approach, I'm not suggesting we re-build. But what I AM saying is that this team has REAL problems. This is not some 1 year fluke thing. We need better effort and performance from the players, better draft picks, maybe some smart FA adds on the o-line, and a coaching staff that can inspire this team to play 4 quarters against a division rival in the last game of the season, at home, for the freaking division title....exhale/deep breath.

I try to be positive where I can. Certainly at the top of that list is Randall and Rollins who seem to have us set up for several years at CB. Those guys can ball. But dude, if you think this team isn't slipping, and fast, you aren't paying attention.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:13 pm

" the wheels have totally come off. We just lost the North."

You're totally right. I mean, history will show it. The last time we lost the NFC North was 2009. I bet if we look at history, we could project what the next few years after losing the NFC north will look like, based on the few years that followed 2009.

Oh, wait.. That can't be right.

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@ballark's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:26 am

This team clearly does not believe in themselves, or in each other, let's start there. We know about the obvious problems - Rodgers playing like shit, Adams playing like shit, the o-line having no depth...but I want to extend the blame.

Nick Perry and Datone Jones - two first round picks that just don't get on the field that much, and when they do, we don't see enough. A little improvement over the years? Sure, but what NFL team can wait 3-4 years. Busts.

Corey Linsley - a brute and a mauler last year, this year he's a penalty machine who couldn't block my Grandma (who is dead, rest her soul).

Randall Cobb - his poor play may be a result of scheme, but I just don't see him getting open, and the drops seem to be a weekly thing. I remember another from last night. You got paid. Play like it.

Letroy Guion & Drew Quarless - maybe these two lost playing time due to off-field antics, or maybe they weren't focused in the off-season and are now paying the price. Either way, major busts.

Ted Thompson - the o-line depth is pure disgrace. With arguably the greatest QB ever under center, it's criminal. Josh Walker, Lane Taylor...these guys have been so outmatched its very hard to understand how they made an NFL roster.

Julius Peppers - starting to look his age.

Coaching - this team comes in with the same tired game plan every week. But we block like shit. We don't convert on 3rd down. And we kill ourselves with penalties. It;s the same goddamn thing every week.

I want to believe in this team, I really do. If Bahktiari is ready to go, if Adams can find a shred of confidence, but you know what....f that. I think this kind of thinking is exactly what's been going on in this locker room all year. The Packers are entitled. They think they're better than everyone else. And the bottom line is they're getting out-hustled and out-worked. The guys who wanted it most last night weren't the HOME team that had every reason to step up after weeks of embarrassing football and a stadium full of fans. The guys that wanted it most were guys named Barr and Kendricks, Griffen and Thielen. And Zimmer.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 10:57 am

Last paragraph is spot on and painful to admit, but it's true. Left out reason of not wanting to lose at home to everyone in Division to boot with a title on the line no less.

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4thand10's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:05 am

Last week on Packers.com and ask vic...they finally admitted week 15 that wide receivers are NOT getting open...go look for yourselves. I'm usually a players make plays guy... but there are game plan failures, play clock management failures that fall on coaching...I'm not saying fire anyone yet but some changes are needed.
1) To the coaches... they know of injuries and weak points on the O-line and yet flat out refuse to just leave Kuhn in for an entire game to help with blocking and more specifically helping the LT. Whenever they left Kuhn in to help block Griffen...Rodgers completed passes or scrambled for yards. Whenever they don't give the LT help...whether Is an injured Bakhtiari , an injured and inept Barclay or a injured position changed Sitton...YOU COACH to give them help, that's a coaching failure.
2)Abandoning run game 2nd, third and 4th quarter.
3) To the coaches again...if you know the WR's are struggling why stick with the same ineffective Routes?

4) Players...I saw flat out missed blocking from C, RG and LG frequently and poor scramble drills from WR's.
5) Running out of the I and Wishbone was working and Min. Could not stop it...even with 8 and 9 man fronts and like the OP said...after the first drive it was abandoned...THAT's coaching.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:18 am

Vic said this?

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4thand10's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:12 am

The good things...Hyde INT, Matthews and Peppers playing with fire. Kuhn when he was allowed to be apart of the game plan, played well. Lacy, yes Lacy for gritting it out in pain. James Jones for trying to play like a team first player and doing the best he could for his age and talent level.

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4thand10's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:32 am

And I will say this AGAIN this year. I don't like Capers and never have. He got every type of player on defense that he could ever wish for and it is still not a top 5. Seriously, how many drafts have to keep going to the defense?? Every year we talk about OLB and ILB's. It has even hurt the offense as far as helping AR. We have nothing but slot guys on the roster...which is frustrating. NONE of this will keep me from watching the Packers or being a fan though.

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Oppy's picture

January 04, 2016 at 04:18 pm

That defense held Teddy B to under 100 yards passing and Adrian Peterson to under 70 yards rushing last night.

I don't get your beef with the Defense after this season.

With any other year's offense, this team could have well been undefeated in 2015 with the way the defense performed.

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 11:52 am

We had a good strategy for the opening drive. Why abandon it? It was simple, aggressive and played to what little strengths our OL had. It was working when when most everything else lately has been failing.

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:04 pm

Just one of those perfect storms(farts). We are better than how we played this year. Records mean nothing, unless you have a zero in the last column at the end of the year. What matters is what happens on the field on game day. We just didn't play well for a boat load of reasons The question is, do we soak in our stink or do we step back, do what needs to be done (whatever it might be) and bring the lumber next year.

I think we win the division again next year and sweep the division (wins this time) at home. And I believe we have a bye week in the playoffs. I think this is going to be one ticked off team next year with an axe to grind. I can smell it already!!

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TommyG's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:13 pm

-great game plan... For one freakin drive!
-considering how cobbled together the OL is I thought the did okay. Just kidding! The condition of our line is deplorable, and a reflection of TT management.
-MM designed a great offense 10 years ago. Today that offense is ineffective. Time for a new plan or a new coach. Since MM is obviously incapable of change I believe the question about the appropriate move is answered.
-believe it or not, this packers team is good enough to beat the Redskins.
-yay! Then we can watch them get violated by Arizona again.

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NewNikeShoes's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:21 pm

Holy shit, I went over the game again tonight.
That O is legit giving me herpes.

In what world, in which the Packers have a Special Teams that isn't garbage, and that the D comes through in the clutch, do the Pack not make games competitive?

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lou's picture

January 04, 2016 at 12:25 pm

The Thompson/McCarthy era is at a cross roads point. Yes, to this point the draft & develop approach coupled with superior cap management has meshed with McCarthy's proven offensive schemes and resulted in winning it all and being as consistent a winner as the Patriot franchise (and minus the Patriot do whatever needs to be done fair or unfair well earned stigma). Based on the season long offensive issues this season continuing to rely only on the draft and to assume Nelson's return next will put the team back on the same performance levels offensively is a recipe for more of the same. Hence the crossroads point is upon the Packer's. Veteran help in the O-Line and at WR/TE at a reasonable cost should be part of the 2016 plan as well as revamping the offensive assistants (the revamp this year is certainly one of the problems that lead to poor overall performance due to the number of hands in the mix). A new fresh face needs to be acquired to revitalize the offense, no matter how strong the loyalty is to Clemens and Bennet, one or both have to go (or be reassigned duties) because McCarthy has earned the right to stay, averaging 10 wins per season, winning 1 Super Bowl, and having only 1 losing season. 2016 is the most pivotal year in years for the team, they have to make bold changes to continue the success they have had to date, here's hoping they have the guts to do it.

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CallingIt's picture

January 04, 2016 at 01:05 pm

Agree, but don't forget we get Montgomery back next year too. If it can be done, I believe Jordy will get back to his previous level. Montgomery should make strides as well. We definitely need a down field threat and/or a mismatch kind of TE. We also need at least a 'solid' backup OT. Anything above that would be gravy.

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