Gut Reactions: Packers outlast Buccaneers

Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers hard fought win over the Buccaneers. 

 

  • While this game was frustrating for much of the second half, it was incredibly satisfying to watch defense and special teams play such a pivotal role in a big victory. 
  • The first three offensive drives were incredible. 
  • After the Aaron Jones fumble, however, the offense seemed completely lost. 
  • Hell of a coming out party for Romeo Doubs who finished with 73 yards on 8 catches and a touchdown against one of the best defenses this team will face all year. 
  • That was an incredible play by Devondre Campbell to tip away the two point conversion at the end. 
  • Aaron Rodgers play on that final third down was completely mystifying. The pocket is totally fine, yet he starts to run up into it for no reason, then does the ONE thing he can't there and takes a sack. Just play in rhythm and hit Doubs on the slant. Taking a sack there is something you expect from a young QB, not a four time MVP.
  • It was great to see Bakhtiari out there but I don't get playing him for a series and then sitting him for as long as they did prior to getting him back out there. 
  • Dear Father in Heaven, I'm not a praying man, but if you're up there and you can hear me, please let Jaire be ok. 
  • I hated the call to take a "shot" on the play where Winfree fell down/got run into. 
  • Rudy Ford has been an absolute revelation on punt coverage. 
  • Survive and advance. It wasn't pretty but it doesn't have to be. 
  • Go Pack Go. 
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Comments (126)

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:43 pm

Gut churning reaction;
First half Packers gave me swag and a little extra pump in my fist.
That team did not show up second half except for the last play of the game.
It's a win, so why am I feeling pissed off like it's not?
Why do we let teams back in the game when we should be standing on their neck?
It's a W in the column I should be happy but it feels so much less.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:49 pm

Nitschke, I have a different perspective. The defense really showed up today. The ST also showed up.

To me, that was more important. It gives the Packers a better chance to beat more teams when they have a great defense and good special teams.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:53 pm

I agree with you EXCEPT for TB final drive for the TD. D was nowhere to be found.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:04 pm

Defense did stop the 2 point try.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:28 pm

I think I said that.... ("Except for last play of the game")

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:27 pm

It was soft and Barry was afraid to go man and blitz a guy. Amos did not have a good game. Great play by Walker on the strip.

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PackyCheese500's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:43 pm

Agreed.

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GregC's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:04 pm

It's a big win, but I'm with you in not feeling as good about it as I thought I would. Maybe it's because I have an increasing suspicion that our coaches are not as good as they need to be. The Bucs had a poor first half defensively but were excellent in the second half. Why couldn't our DC adjust his defense in the second half of the game at Minnesota? And in this game, why did our offense have no countermove when the Bucs adjusted their defense? Also, the Packer defense was really good in this game, albeit against a depleted TB receiving group, but then allowed the Bucs to easily march downfield for a TD in the final minutes, with at least a couple of blown coverages and the middle of the field being left wide open time after time. So there is still a lot of work to be done, and I think it's more on the coaching staff than the players.

Another thing: What was Kingsley Enegbare doing on the field so much during that final drive? It looked like they were rotating him with both Rashan Gary and Preston Smith. He wasn't getting any pressure on the QB at all.

Good to be 2-1, though!

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:07 pm

GregC, I am totally in agreement with you on this one. Frankly, I do not rememeber the Packers coaches ever course-correcting to respond to opponents' game plans.

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K-dog72's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:49 pm

I think it was a fair point by Larry McCarren on the radio the pash rush gets gassed on late-game drives like that, so they made a point to explain the rotation on the defensive line for that reason.

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GregC's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:16 pm

Yes thanks, I hadn't thought of that. They needed to have a rotation. The lack of depth at the OLB position reared its head during that drive.

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:22 pm

Keep in mind, the Bucs adjusted at half time and changed the defensive scheme, must be something they practice and are capable of

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:24 pm

Now we see the Future with Doubs and Watson, when he returns , making their marks. Rodgers missed on the two 3rd down conversions on the mis-read when A. Jones was open on the cross right in front of his eyes. He was always blind to reading the right side progression guy,( Lazard in the NFCCH). Doubs should have been his guy. Cobb played well first half ,but was running out of gas in the fourth. I hope Myers is OK. Tonyan has lost his burst.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:13 pm

Doubs is a rookie 4th rounder, Amari is a 2nd year 3rd rounder. Amari must be better!😉

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:07 am

I hope Myers is OK, because if not it’s Hanson. Hanson immediately showed us what that’s likely to mean.

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keeley2's picture

September 25, 2022 at 10:19 pm

Kind sir - I'm going to disagree with you. In years past, GB would have collapsed after that last touchdown, given up the tying score, and then lost in overtime. So you'd be complaining about a loss that shouldn't have happened.
Instead, these men made one more play than the opponent and that is certainly good enough for me. It's true I would have loved to see a repeat of the first half in the second but that's not the point. These guys are learning to win. That will pay dividends come playoff time. The offense and these young receivers can only get better as the season progresses.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:45 pm

Nixon got picked on as the new guy but he held up well. LaFleur cannot make adjustments on offense. They could not really run, and I will wait to see someone explain what TB did to take Doubs out of the offense.

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MarkinMadison's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:58 pm

You second sentence is the thing that stuck out most in my mind. The defense adjusted. MLF did not.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:40 am

The TB defense adjusted by knocking the snot out of the Pack OL on the run. MLF can't block he can only give blocking assignments. The speed of the TB defense to get to the edge on the run is also a huge factor in why the Pack could not get the run going again when MLF would try to mix it up by getting to the edge. And when MLF mixed it up like with the shot downfield Winfree and Doubs absolutely screwed it up. Plus Winfree was in the wrong place on a couple of throws that if successful would have made MLF's decisions look a whole lot more like good adjustments.

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Coldworld's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:09 pm

They covered him and didn’t worry about any others and they knew Rodgers wasn’t throwing deeper than 8 yards anyway and he’s the only speed.

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:25 pm

How long does it take for LeFleur to figure out the run game wasnt working and why are we running into the teeth of the defense. Dalvin cook ran wide early and offen and made nice yardage all day and Jones didnt run wide once but looks like he is falling on his face every time he runs.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:41 am

Cook was not facing a defense that is as fast as any in the league, that's why.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:40 pm

Yes it's now a given. MLF has virtually no ability to recognize let alone adjust to the flow of the game. Doesn't matter whether they're behind,way ahead, holding onto a lead. Combined with Rodgers brain farts I wonder what the Defense is thinking especially the 4th Qtr this week. They absolute busted their butts in that heat and played a great game and almost had nothing to show for it.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:16 pm

I understand not wanting to try many jets or screens with Tampa's speed on D but I think I would've tried something to get the ball in Doubs hands with a chance to run. He did have that awesome catch with a defender right on him in the 2nd half. The people crying about trust issues will have to come up with something new this week.

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:06 am

This game showed that Lazard can be a valuable piece, that Cobb can do a few good things a game and that Doubs was our best receiving threat by far and under targeted. To me it also showed why, with Lazard and Cobb, this O has to start focusing on Doubs, Watson and Toure and not within 5 yards if the line only. Without Doubs we were horribly slow. We need to stop fighting the inevitable. We win with speed and the inevitable mistakes or we don’t when it matters with this roster.

We went into our shell, stopped throwing beyond 8 yards, allowed them to stack the box and then never really tried to go behind that. The second half looked extremely similar to the ways we lost to the Bucs previously in other words. We invited the all out pressures, optimized their run D. We had no speed other than Doubs for quick breaking deeper routes.

LaFleur did his best to put us in a position of offensive futility in the second half. At its route is the failure to realize that this team needs its youth and a refusal to both put it out there and then then to make use of it aggressively despite the obvious differences in the ability to secure yards when it does.

We need to have the reality of this roster and decide if we want to contend. If we do, the rookie movement needs to start now to get us as close as possible to our potential by The end of the regular season. That will only help Lazard too.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:42 am

They did do that actually. First time he made good yardage. the next two maybe as many as three times he got stuffed by TB covering it in an instant.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:48 pm

Relieved to come out of that clusterf*ck with a win. Sheesh!

Only the Bucs’ addition of the dynamic and much sought after Cole Beasley kept this from being a 65-12 Packers blowout win.

It’s clear, Tom Brady is now more machine than man.

LaFleur looked like he was going to cry immediately before the Bucs’ 2-point attempt.

Watching Kenny Clark do a high plank above Tom Brady made me realize just how far away we are from the sweet sound of Tony Siragusa breaking Rich Gannon.

So many talented players on the Packers' roster, but ______________. (fill in the blank)

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:51 pm

Hmmm.... I thought the Packers came away with a W! I must have been dreaming I guess, your comments imply a bad loss.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:24 pm

It doesn't imply a bad loss, it implies a bad win, and that is the thing that eludes them when it matters most. Bad wins turn into losses at the worst of times. The thing they've been subjected to so many times already, like yearly in the playoffs.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:56 pm

There's no such thing as an ugly baby or a bad win.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:04 pm

Yes there is, on both counts. Many just won't admit or say it aloud.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:06 pm

Hmm... I thought my first sentence declared I was relieved to come out with a win. I must have been giving PewAukeeFan the benefit of the doubt with their reading comprehensions skills.

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Swisch's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:50 pm

I'm wondering if the headline and breakthrough for the Packers is that the offense -- although frustrated in the second half by the Bucs defense -- did a good job of sticking with the running game and quick passes to keep our quarterback from getting mauled.
If so, kudos to that quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, for keeping his cool in all of the frustration by not forcing things downfield too much.
That bodes well for the future, especially as our defense seems much improved to be able to win games that are defensive struggles.
I'm glad to know what other fans think.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:52 pm

I concur Swisch.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:22 pm

Agreed. And they kept with the run even though it became less and less successful as the game wore on.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:37 pm

Tampa stayed in two-deep and their All Pro LBs controlled the short game.

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buckyor's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:23 pm

I don't think the offense did stick with the running game. After the Jones fumble the Packers passed much more than ran. The final stats show 36 dropbacks to 25 runs, but the last of those was a kneeldown. They got away from running for significant portions of the game and I think it hurt.

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Coldworld's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:30 pm

They went to flat pass after flat pass and, by the time they resumed the boxes were all packed. Tampa realized Rodgers wasn’t going to challenge them beyond 10 yards.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:51 pm

So playing not to lose - rather than win. The reality is that the offense, so far, has not really been winning the games - It's been the defense. LaFleur-Rodgers has not shown the ability to make the suitable adjustments to the opposing team's adjustments. A troubling pattern.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:45 am

A not loss is a win. A win is a not loss. QED.

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Swisch's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:00 pm

You may be right, buckyor, but then again, sticking with the running game doesn't have to mean we run as much as we pass.
It may be said that at least the Packers kept trying the run throughout the game; and because it wasn't working, they went more with the pass.
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As for the comment of Coldworld, perhaps the Packers could have tried a couple of deeper passes in the second half, although I'm not so sure Rodgers had the time.
I wonder if the Packers utilize crossing routes often enough. These routes can be fairly quick if the receiver crosses hard on short routes; and it's hard for defenders to keep up with crossing receivers in man coverage, or to keep track of them in zone coverage.
It's still early in the season, and with a lot of changes in the receiving corps and offensive line, so we can hope the offense will get better at adjustments in the coming weeks and months.

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buckyor's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:23 pm

I don't think the offense did stick with the running game. After the Jones fumble the Packers passed much more than ran. The final stats show 36 dropbacks to 25 runs, but the last of those was a kneeldown. They got away from running for significant portions of the game and I think it hurt.

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:28 pm

The last drive of the Bucs is something we dont have in are arsenal. We had no chance to get to brady and he whipped the ball quickly taking what was available. Why does Rodgers have to stand back and hold the ball and wonder why the rush is in his face. His short quick passes are for 5 yards or less. What a POS that game plan is

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:09 pm

Your not wrong.

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:14 am

Sticking with the run to set up the pass is a two pronged strategy. When your opponent fills the box every down like that it’s clear that it is one you have failed to complete. The calling in the second half was abysmal. It wasn’t helped by only having one guy that the Bucs saw as a threat in Doubs. Lazard needs others around him to really become a factor. We needed Toure to provide another guy who can fly off the line and give a quick, deeper target in the absence of Watson. LaFleur went with the safer, but no upside route and nearly burned us. Only our D kept us from imploding.

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stockholder's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Packers will never convert a 3rd down as long as Winfree is in there.

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Grandfathered's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:59 pm

Winfree is nbot a good 3rd down pass catcher but I believe he's our 2nd best blocking receiver after Lazard, so a 3rd down is possible with him.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:10 pm

I never had a good impression of Winfree. He is good in practice situations, but not very good in actual game situations.

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Grandfathered's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:51 pm

Winfree is playing over Toure, who is a much better deep threat. There must be another reason, and its Winfree's blocking.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:45 pm

The guy cannot run a clean route. A special teams guy.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:10 pm

Lol. Sad but may be true. This time it wasn't even close.

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GBPDAN1's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:52 pm

Anytime the Packers win on the Road against a contender, and against Brady, it's a Great Day!!

Bring it home boys. At Lambeau next week for another Victory!

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dobber's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:38 pm

Agreed. With the way the injury reports looked on Friday, and how the Packers played the run against the Bears, this was exactly the kind of game they were going to need to grit out in a win. Not going to piss on this win.

OL is getting healthy. Packers should be favored to win the next four (Home v. NE, Giants, Jets, @ Wash), and they should win the next four.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:47 am

Bingo Dobber!

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Since'61's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:52 pm

Great to hold on for the win on the road!
Defense carried the day, especially in the 2nd half.

Packers started beating themselves on offense after the Jones fumble. The other play which hurt was the penalty in Lazard for blocking in the back on the first play of the 2nd half. Doubs had a first down and the penalty killed any chance to pick the momentum back up early in the 3rd qtr.

Great defensive effort throughout the game and STs contributed to the win rather than causing a loss.

Bring on the Pats! GPG! Thanks, Since ‘61

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iamiz's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:54 pm

"Dear Father in Heaven, I'm not a praying man, but if you're up there and you can hear me, please let Jaire be ok." LOL

However, George got clocked after praying that prayer.

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stockholder's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:55 pm

I was surprised that the Bucs put 3 DL right of the center. And we couldn't take advantage of it.

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:30 pm

We dont have a run that goes wide. or away from the rush.

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GBPDAN1's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:57 pm

It's a Win! Gary and others were getting held a lot. Jones fumble on the goal line hurt. A bad call by the Refs on our player getting pushed into the Punter, that would have been a FG drive at a minimum. The phantom holding call on Lazar in the 4th was BS. No time on clock for the last TD that TB scored? But, with all this, we survived !

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:13 pm

I agree, the refs did try their best to hand the game to the Bucs.

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Starrbrite's picture

September 26, 2022 at 10:44 am

Absolutely right Puwakee.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:53 pm

Vegas calls...

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PackfanNY's picture

September 25, 2022 at 06:57 pm

For the love of all that is holy can they work on getting the plays in with the proper formations with ENOUGH TIME as to not blow a timeout. The first half we did this twice. The second half was as big a struggle. I thought LaFleur said they worked on that. Well it’s TWO years ago! This should be much MUCH tighter in close games. Please, I can’t stand the play clock running down with Rodgers looking at the sideline.

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Straya's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:20 pm

It's not just the timeouts. GB makes it very easy for the opposing pass rush to time their run for the last seconds of the play clock

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:21 pm

It's just stupid when you do it nearly every time. I've almost resigned myself to just sit back and yell at the screen on most every play about it. Especially when we are driving and moving the ball. Aside from the obvious advantage of timing and teeing off, it seems like it gives the defense a breather when they could use one. So predictable as well.

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PatrickGB's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:29 pm

In all fairness, it seemed that there was a problem with rotating players. We would not have enough players on the field without the timeouts. I believe that one time it was Lazard who was feeling ill and his replacement was unknown because we were shorthanded. It might have been because of injuries and the newbies not know their jobs.

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Thegravedigger's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:03 pm

this oFfense seems to break down in big games after a turnover. example, marcedes lewis fumbles in niner playoff game, with pack up 10 zip. after that, the offense stopped working. example 2, bucs packers regular season game 2020. packers go up 10 zip again, then rodgers throws a pick six, and another pick, and the offense never scores another point. even the colts game a few years ago, i cant remember if there was a big turnover but the offense had 3 3 and outs in a row and just stalled out. rodgers is great, but he cracks under pressure. weve seen it over and over, he gets in these modes where he just cant see the field or do anything productive after the snap. i know the bucs have a great D, but it just seems like rodgers cracks. the difference between this game and and teams in years past was the D, and the ST. DST baby. there were so many punts and punt returns that in prior years some shit woulda went wrong. they covered punts, the downed balls inside the 1, they even had a great return with a BS penalty. D, was solid. did there job till that last drive. and even tho it was the goat, the D looked lost at times on that last drive. some of that couldve been nixon and growing pains. but big Devondre, he made that play at the end when it counted.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:15 pm

You are right 'Digger. That should be totally on the coaches and the senior members of the team.

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Coldworld's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:29 pm

Rodgers hung Jones out to dry on that throw. He did t see the 330 pound Vea in a collision course. Luckily Jones got up, but he should never have thrown it.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:49 am

Oh please. This is tackle football.

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:33 pm

Going back a few years, we walk into the Chiefs 5-0 and looking dominant and Rodgers tosses two picks in the first quarter and the offense dies from that moment on. Rodgers went to the run to avoid another interception and we were never in the game.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:03 pm

After the week one loss, I said we shouldn't place any credibility on any issues being fixed/solved, and a reason why I made nary a single comment all last week after the Bears game. This game against Tampa Bay is why.

There's a list of things we can be happy about that was seen, in the first half offensively, but the MLF factor came into play big time, again, as Boyles blew him away in the HC arena in the second half. Yes, you play with what you got, but damn, Tampa had nothing and still came close to tying and possibly winning in OT if it got there. Deny if you want, but the Packers were a beat horse Offensively by the Tampa D, and I feared the Brady effect to win in OT.

A bad OL and missing their 3 best receivers certainly made the Packer D look impressive, but as I said after week one, a 17 point D won't be enough for this MLF Offense, as his run game came to a halt, the OL caved too often, and MLF simply cannot in-game adjust. I think if Evans played, the Packers lose this game today.

There may be good news for the Packers next week against NE, Mac Jones got hurt and may miss the game, because NE isn't what many thought them to be in preseason. They dodged a bullet today. Hopefully home field helps dodge another bullet next week.

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Thegravedigger's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:08 pm

idk if the MLF offense is the problem, or if rodgers taking over play calling for mutliple plays in a row. this is just me speculating, but my theory is when things are going great, rodgers lets lafluer run his offense. When things are not going so well, Rodgers just runs the offense himself. im basing this on nothing but my own eyes, i think back to that colts game again, i remember one drive where rodg just hucked 3 incomplete bombs in a row during the middle of the colts comeback. i have a feeling rodgers called those.

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Coldworld's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:12 pm

Ultimately it’s on the Head Coach.

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Packerpasty's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:25 pm

the plays where Rodgers changed to a pass turned out to be first downs and more...Rodgers haters will never change...Brady didn't do anything in this game till the last few minutes...at least he didn't smash a tablet..

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:36 pm

Before the last drive by Brady, Rodgers and Brady had near exact stats, less the TDs, which almost became a moot factor. Turnovers killed Brady, and if Evans played, we might well be discussing a loss.

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dobber's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:46 pm

"Before the last drive by Brady, Rodgers and Brady had near exact stats,"

Rodgers prior to the last TB drive:
27-35, 255, 2 TD, 1 INT
Brady prior to last TB drive:
22-30, 184, 0 TD, 0 INT

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:52 am

Geez Dobber, can't you see that those stats are exactly the same? And that exactly the same number of turnovers killed Brady but not Rodgers. I guess to anyone but Taryn that would be a huge shout out to Rodgers outplaying Brady. sigh.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:32 pm

"but my theory is when things are going great, rodgers lets lafluer run his offense. When things are not going so well, Rodgers just runs the offense himself."

So, Rodgers has things great and then lets MLF screw it up, or MLF gets it great and Rodgers decides to screw it up, or do Rodgers and MLF get things great and take turns screwing it up?

The only constant here is one of them is screwing things up, and one takes no responsibility and one thinks he's taking responsibility. Who is which?

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PatrickGB's picture

September 26, 2022 at 12:37 pm

Interesting. I will have to think about that because you make a good point. As far as blame we all know that Matt will take the blame even when it’s not his fault.. He often says “it all starts with me.”

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:32 pm

TL/DR: you don't like AR.

Only 84 passing yards in the second half. Couldn't run in the second half either but kept doing it. It would be fair to write that they couldn't pass in the second half but kept on doing that also. [I guess those are the two options, short of quick kicking or the like. LOL.]

I can't think of any facet of the offense that was working in the second half. I'd say the pass blocking was better than the run blocking. Plays looked vanilla and predictable. I expect the throwing chart to look like crap again.

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Packerpasty's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:28 pm

I agree...MLF hasn't grown at all as an "offensive genius"...once things go bad he can't do anything about it...and the defense played good but certainly didn't get to Brady as many times as they should have...

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Coldworld's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:16 am

LaFleur had a scheme. He’s an empty vessel as a coach.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:30 pm

If Evans played they lose, unless MLF made adjustments. But we all know what the likelihood of that happening is.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

September 26, 2022 at 05:10 am

Ten thumbs up if I could because Week 3 is exactly when you want your team hitting on all cylinders.

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Coldworld's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:04 pm

Doubs is our number 1 receiver. It’s time to accept that and target him accordingly and time to get Toure going, whether or not Watson is back soon. With Cameos from Cobb, Lazard, Doubs and Toure need to be on the field. More speed. More after the play potential, more options.

Game ball to Barry and the D. Honorable mention ruin to Bisaccia and the realization that we are going to win despite LaFleur, not because of him.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:09 pm

Tell this to Aaron Charles Rodgers.

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Coldworld's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:26 pm

That’s what we pay LaFleur for. LaFleur was the guy who left Toure off the active list and thus the chance to have a guy with burst on the other side.

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stockholder's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:45 pm

Rodgers wants Winfree. It is obvious. The Forced throws to him, will get Toure released.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:46 pm

Well you and I are on the same page, but I don't know what page Lafleur is on. In my mind Toure is next up when Watkins went down.And that was before Watson was sidelined.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:41 pm

Again, I know you don't like AR much. Doubs got the most targets, the most receptions, and the most receiving yards. Indeed, Doubs had the most yards from the line of scrimmage.
Looks like AR knew who the #1 guy was. Doubs messed up that rub downfield which should have been a big gainer to Winfree.

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jlc1's picture

September 26, 2022 at 08:54 am

Facts. So boring, so old school.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:32 pm

Yes, I expect to see Toure next week. Whether Watson is back or not .

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stockholder's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:37 pm

I don't think so. Even Love Forced the throws to Winfree. It's easier to get a veteran.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:07 pm

"Aaron Rodgers play on that final third down was completely mystifying. The pocket is totally fine, yet he starts to run up into it for no reason, then does the ONE thing he can't there and takes a sack. Just play in rhythm and hit Doubs on the slant. Taking a sack there is something you expect from a young QB, not a four time MVP."

THIS. 12 was ATROCIOUS in the 2nd half. This is your 50m QB. The 4x MVP. The leader of the offense. The one who can do no wrong, according to him and so many fanbois. This is why I don't think this time will be any different than any of the chokes in the past. That remains true after the game today.

Glad we won. The defense and special teams are going to have to be the lynchpin to victory this year and 12 will have to stick with the run game when it's not working for that to remain true.

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Thegravedigger's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:11 pm

im just enjoying the regular season, because i like having something to root for on sundays. i dont think this team has a shot either, because 12 will crack in the playoffs. but im enjoying the ride.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:17 pm

Valid. I just also really am tired of ARod and find it hard to root for him. I still root for my team. But I'm not going to lie by saying that I haven't taken less joy in the Packers since that bull shit "trade me" crap he pulled on draft night in 2021. This is his team and Murphy, Gute et al kissed his brown star.

It's too bad Love didn't show anything earlier. Oh well. Onto week 4. I hope Jaire is ok!

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Swisch's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:42 pm

In defense of Rodgers is that the defense of the Bucs may be one of the best in the NFL.
It may be that Rodgers was under a lot of pressure from a fierce pass rush, yet didn't panic by trying to force deep passes or abandoning the running game.
Also noteworthy is that on the final drive, Rodgers did convert a key third down with a short pass to Lazard, then followed it up with a 26-yard completion to him over pressure from a blitzer,
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I'll also give Rodgers somewhat of break for having a largely new receiving corps, as well as an offensive line that is just starting to get healthy and in sync.
It could be that LaFleur and Rodgers could have made better adjustments in the second half; but, again, it's hard to say how much of the frustration was due to the Bucs defense.
As I noted above, the good news may be that Rodgers kept his cool even with the frustrations of the second half. He didn't seem to resort to hero ball, which would be a significant step of improvement.
Also, there's hope this early in the season that the offense is going to get better and better.

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packerbackerjim's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:13 pm

The Defense allowed 2 FG until the final minute. Campbell and Douglas had the most tackles. Beat the Bucs in Tampa in the heat. Take the W and exhale.

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splitpea1's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:18 pm

There's nothing like having an athletic All-pro ILB, is there? I know Savage was back there in coverage, but it never even got to that point. Thank goodness we were able to re-sign Campbell--who also had 14 tackles. Nice games from Clark and Gary; Nixon gave up a couple, but also had a forced fumble and made a nice play on ST.

A couple of really impressive drives in the first half--we were really chewing through them, until:

A. Jones got caught in a nasty Vea-David sandwich--no wonder he fumbled.

MLF had no answers on offense following the Bowles' adjustments after halftime, but I think it would've been tough sledding no matter what. The Packers don't have any wildly out-of-the-box plays on their script which would have been helpful to break the defensive stalemate....If we are so dependent on one receiver (Watson) for speed, then we're going to need to add another one in the draft. The Packers like their big physical blocking receivers, but there is room on this roster (once maybe a couple are removed) for a shifty speed demon, regardless of blocking skills--I don't care what anyone says.

I'm probably one of the few people here who doesn't dislike Brady, but I was as happy as anyone to see the clock strike twelve on him--actually twice, but at least the refs were paying extra attention the second time.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 09:00 pm

"Packers don't have any wildly out-of-the-box plays on their script which would have been helpful to break the defensive stalemate....If we "

I was thinking the same thing at one point during a game. I believe that will change when Doubs takes on a greater role. Watson is back healthy and my personal favorite Toure makes it to the field.

After that infusion of speed and talent, the play calling has to drastically improve, Right?

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 09:00 pm

"Packers don't have any wildly out-of-the-box plays on their script which would have been helpful to break the defensive stalemate....If we "

I was thinking the same thing at one point during a game. I believe that will change when Doubs takes on a greater role. Watson is back healthy and my personal favorite Toure makes it to the field.

After that infusion of speed and talent, the play calling has to drastically improve, Right?

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Rebecca's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:20 pm

I’m grateful for a solid defense, rising teams units, and did I mention Clark, Gary and Cambell! This offense is a mystery, and that’s up to Matt to figure out. Good game, good victory.

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cpabandit's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:23 pm

Campbell and Doubs are today's MVPs. Doubs can be great! (Devante 5 rec for 36 yards today)
Defense and Special Teams showed up. Proud of them.
Rodgers is the most talented QB every to play the game. Yet Brady is the GOAT for not being as talented as Rodgers but so much smarter.
Why do I feel that the Packer coaches sit around a table in the locker room during halftime and play rock paper scissors. No review and changes to the game plan.

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dobber's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:53 pm

"(Devante 5 rec for 36 yards today)"

Yeah, so much for the "loaded" Raiders. 0-3 with losses to the 1-2 Chargers, 1-2 Cardinals, and 1-2 Titans. McDaniels is an uber douche...don't feel sorry for him at all.

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GVPacker's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:25 pm

The Packers steal one on the road and beat Tom Brady and the Florida heat, Mr Nagler enjoy your beer tonight!

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Packerpasty's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:28 pm

...and that all I care about!! A win!! and a beer...

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mbpacker's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:27 pm

A win is a win- it's the NFL.
Outstanding D and ST as Nags said.
Liked the juice the team had for most of the game despite the heat & humidity.
Why not just move the chains rather than always going deep when we just needed to get first downs?
Doubs looks promising.
Glad Lazard was able to play.
Nice seeing our Tackle lineup going forward, barring the unexpected.
Douglas and Campbell were major finds last year and continuing this year.
Nice seeing Tom being frustrated for a change.
Gong to sleep nice tonight!
GPG!

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:38 pm

1. Nixon, Gary, Lazard, Cobb played well. Good to see Bahk back too.
Run game is predictable now. UP the middle three yards of dust.
Maybe Rodgers can learn to throw one yard passes. Why would you pass to a TE on the out for two yards when you need 10? To keep from gettng planted thats why.
All I know this aint a 13-4 team this year.
Play calling and play selection is horrible. Dont know to blame LeFleur or Rodgers changing up and calling runs and not passes

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Stickfish's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:39 pm

First three Offensive possessions gave a glimpse why this team can make it to hear Rihanna sing at halftime. The remainder is why they will listen to Gus Polinski on 8 track next February.
A win against the Goat is never bad and #12 again displayed why no one, and I mean no one is more accurate with the quick release. At least for three possessions. Special teams far improved minus a dumb penalty by a veteran who knows better. Thanks Gute addressing the elephant in the room the last two years.
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dobber's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:57 pm

Here's hoping that 69 recovers well this week from his game action and returns to being the stalwart LT the Packers are paying him to be.

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Guam's picture

September 25, 2022 at 09:31 pm

Will be watching the injury report next week to see if his knee held up to contact. I sure hope so.......

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dobber's picture

September 26, 2022 at 05:13 am

He'll show up as a DNP a couple times due to his weird and restricted practice schdule.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2022 at 07:58 pm

I'm going to focus on positives. We won in Florida, Tampa no less, Dobbs had a very good game, Defense played great and special teams were a positive. After three games I'd call that a good start to the season. Jaire went down, but we had Nixon who stepped up. Roster is getting better.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:04 pm

I am trying to imagine the outcry if the Packers had a delay of penalty on a two-point conversion attempt to tie the game. Some would blame LaFleur and others AR, depending on their predisposition.

That changed this immeasurably. Brady is unlikely to run it in from 7 to 12 yards out. TB lost the threat of running the ball. It meant that GB could concentrate on defending a pass. Huge difference.

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Swisch's picture

September 25, 2022 at 10:17 pm

Good point, TGR, plus I think the Bucs came close a delay penalty the previous play which scored the touchdown.
In any case, it's shocking that Tom Brady would be involved in such a debacle as the delay on the two-point conversion attempt.
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Also, as frustrating as it was for the Packers offense in the second half, it seems the Bucs offense was frustrated just about the entire game -- until the last drive, when Brady came through once again in the clutch, but then didn't.
So, in general, was it Brady and Rodgers playing badly as quarterbacks, or a lack of adjustments from the head coaches, or mostly tough defenses?
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One thing is that it seems Rodgers didn't panic like he did a couple of seasons ago against the Bucs.
In that game, the Packers jumped out to an early lead, but then faced some adversity. The result was the Packers losing their lead while still in the first half, but not by much, and still very much in the game.
Problem was that Rodgers and the Packers immediately fell apart and were blown out.
This time it seems Rodgers kept his cool and didn't play hero ball with long throws to covered receivers.
Instead, if I'm correct, our quarterback continued to get the ball of his hands quickly whether by run or pass.
Near the end, he converted a key third down with a short pass to Lazard, then hit him with a 26-yard throw.
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However, a possible negative for Rodgers (as pointed out by Nags above), is that it seems he then went on to overlook an open Doubs on a slant route on third-and-10 (I think it was).
Doubs may have run for the first down, or at least gained enough yards for the Packers to attempt a field goal to put the game out of reach (instead of taking the sack, and punting, and giving Brady another opportunity for heroics).
If this is accurate, it could be considered a huge mistake by Rodgers, akin to his epic fail in the playoffs against the 49ers last season when he overlooked Lazard.
Even so, I'd be glad to give Rodgers kudos for overall personal progress in this game, with the hope that he keeps going with the improvement.

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Lphill's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:07 pm

I'm pretty sure the Packers won a road game today against a good team but its hard to tell from the comments .

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stockholder's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:39 pm

It's a good thing they did win.

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Grandfathered's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:18 pm

Deebo's hurt! Trade Amari Rogers to SF for a pick!

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Fubar's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:53 pm

I still think I'm right on about Amari and stokes, they aren't too bright. Stokes couldn't cover if he had too, and I don't think Rodgers can learn the playbook. Has to be some reason he isn't playing.

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Jeff Hayes's picture

September 25, 2022 at 08:53 pm

I understand these guys were playing in 100 degree weather but the tale of 2 halves was like polar opposites! What did Barry tell his defense at half time? Hey guys let them get in the game to make it more nerve racking?

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

September 25, 2022 at 09:16 pm

Gut reactions:
-Aaron Jones is electric, but man he always fumbles at the most inopportune moments in big games.
-Aaron Rodgers was unstoppable for the first 2 quarters and they NEED to keep that short and quick passing game going especially when they can't run the ball.
-The offensive line only gave up one sack, at the end of the game and it was mostly a clean pocket for Rodgers.
-One turnover seems to derail the team. Completely mistifying.
-This defense was gnarly today. They were fast, they were aggressive and had Gary not been getting headlocked on every play he might have had 3-4 sacks.
-Nixon was a breath of fresh air as I think I can speak for the entire GB fanbase, we panicked when Alexander limped off of the field.
-Special teams, job well done!
-The referees made some absolutely horrendous calls against GB in the second half and they NEVER called holding against anyone blocking Gary, which physically made me sick after seeing some of that. Almost on every play.
-Doubs is a beast, and he ABSOLUTELY needs to be on the field.
-I have had enough of the Juwann Winfree experiment. The game is too big for him at this point and once again he offered nothing for the offense today.

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Charvid's picture

September 25, 2022 at 09:28 pm

For God’s sake, for years people have complained that we didn’t have enough toughness or speed on defense. We showed both today. GB went on the road, against a playoff caliber team, in extreme heat and won a slugfest. I, for one am pretty happy with that. Yes, our O disappeared after the 1st 3 drives, we we hung tough and took the punches and punched back…and won the game despite some adverse calls and conditions. Be thankful.

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Kevin Carpenter's picture

September 25, 2022 at 11:36 pm

That usually happens after a crushing turnover. That game would've been blown wide open if they didn't fumble. It's like LaFleur loses track of the team when they turn the ball over. He has to do a better job of reeling them in after.

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Rossonero's picture

September 25, 2022 at 09:48 pm

Great team win. Tampa's D is legit, so I'm not as worried about the offense sputtering here. It was eerily reminiscent of the play off loss to the Niners...except we actually had outstanding special teams play -- long fields for the Bucs, Rudy Ford being a beast, pinning them at the 1, Pat O'Donnell ballin' out. Kudos to Rich Bisaccia because the unit looks far, far better than it did 8-9 months ago.

Bring on the Patriots! (Who I might add, might be missing QB Mac Jones due to a high ankle sprain...if so, it's Brian Hoyer who's the next man up).

GO PACK GO!

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sheppercheeser's picture

September 26, 2022 at 07:14 am

It seems the great teams know how to implement improvements (or at least changes) at halftime. Even if the team was successful in the first half, it's obvious the opponent will have a plan to counteract those successes during their halftime assessment. Mike McCarthy and now Matt LaFleur don't seem to have the ability to mix things up at halftime to keep the opponent on their toes. I hope that Matt learns to develop a better halftime plan moving forward. That being said, I'm certainly glad that GB outlasted the Bucs for this very important NFC win! Go Pack!

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