Gut Reactions: Packers barely show up in win over Jaguars
Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers lackluster win over the Jaguars
By PackerAaron
- That was hard to watch.
- This team looks soft and like a bunch of front runners.
- I can't stand how predictable this team is in some situations.
- One of the worst games we've seen from Davante since his second year
- The situational calls are just obvious on both sides of the ball.
- Three man rush in the red zone.
- Low crossers against the blitz.
- Packers defense really missed Jaire's physical play on some of those outside wide receiver screens
- How about MVS? Not a bad day at the office.
- Rashan Gary had some embarassing pass rush reps
- But he saved his best for last. Outstanding work on the bull rush to get the sack.
- Being a liability in any kind of incelement weather is just not great trait for a punter who plays in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
- Interested to hear how Rodgers characterizes this game during his appearance with McAfee on Tuesday.
- Going to be a fun week.
- Go Pack Go.
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Comments (212)
SteelyPhil
November 15, 2020 at 03:18 pm
I know we won but...woof.
GBPDAN1
November 15, 2020 at 03:32 pm
This team needs more fight
Pulpfriction01
November 15, 2020 at 03:40 pm
I can't figure out how a team barely passes on you, yet they either win or give you fits. The bucs, the vikings loss, and this game the opposing team hasn't been moving the ball through the air. Two of those were losses and this one was close. The jaguars had 260 yards of total offense. Special teams played a pretty significant role in this game, but still.
The defense stopped the undrafted rookie RB from gashing them in the 2nd half. He was averaging almost 7 ypc in the first half. They were giving up 3.4 ypc after that. Weird game. Unusual drops and turnover from Adams. Nice to see MVS do exactly what MVS should do. I keep seeing a lot of ugly play from the edge defenders against the run. Surprised they didn't use some of the 6 man fronts like they did last week to stuff the run and make the late round rookie QB beat you through the air.
CAG123
November 15, 2020 at 04:33 pm
Well to be fair without 2 TOs the Jags probably don’t score more than 13 points the Packers Off actually kept the Jags in the game week. I mean 4 sacks, int and 260 total yards is usually a recipe for a beat down any other week.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 04:45 pm
On the other hand we knew that they were going to run and we left Winn inactive and reverted to light lines till late in the day, Pettine’s use of the front 7 is just not working against the run or the pass. When the run was dead as an option we saw the Smiths and Gary could have terrorized their QB all day.
It’s not them, it’s what we are asking them to do to contain the run. Without a radical changed in approach we will lose to a team that has a good runner and be more vulnerable against the pass because our rushers aren’t. Let the 3-4 be a true 3-4: use D linemen and rotate rushers.
jannesbjornson
November 15, 2020 at 08:18 pm
A rotation of six D lineman is essential. Montgomery seems to think so. Pettine's scheme does not help the ILBs crash. Martin has to be on the field. He brings the heat. Safeties should have grabbed 3 picks today.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 05:12 pm
Not to mention the return for 7 points which really isn’t on the defense.
But people don’t want to be fair when they launch their “defense sucks” narrative. The defense got the job done. In fact, in 9 games this season, we’ve held six opponents under their season average. I think they played ..... ok. We don’t tackle real well and we probably shouldn’t have cut our leading tackler, but that’s history.
Even without both starting corners, we stopped these guys. One TD and two FGs. Admittedly, the Jags are not a juggernaut.
jannesbjornson
November 15, 2020 at 08:19 pm
A lot of defensive players on the punt coverage team.
EddieLeeIvory
November 15, 2020 at 10:06 pm
finesse & soft since 2011. i want thugs & mean guys on the Dline. not choir boys like Tyler & Dean.
Big_Mel_75
November 16, 2020 at 08:29 am
Easy. Penntine doesn't care about stopping the run. If I was an O Cordinator playing the Pack I would hand the rock till they stop it... Jags RB Robinson was getting 5yrds a carry most of the game. I would have given him 45 carries....
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 05:11 pm
This team is a finesse team. The d needs a crowd to get even some fire. It was definitely a "woof" kinda game. I wonder if the packers would benefit the most from a playoff bubble. 60 degrees in a dome. Be great for the offense. And the d doesnt seem to like the cold neither. Aj dillon wouldve been nice to have today. Woof. John lovett was missed on coverage. I really dont know how to feel about these guys.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 03:20 pm
Side-note...Bakh signs big extension.
https://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/news/items/earns-history-making-extensio...
Sometimes you win a game and wonder how you did it.
stockholder
November 15, 2020 at 03:26 pm
He's not worth 23. mil.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 03:29 pm
$23M is an aggregate number. It's the structure that matters.
Guam
November 15, 2020 at 03:47 pm
Looking forward to seeing the structure. Suspect it is heavily back loaded with a nice signing bonus upfront. I don't see how they do this under the $175 million cap, so maybe Gute knows about a league/NFLPA deal to smooth or average the cap over a few years. Only way I see enough room to do this deal. even if it is backloaded.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 04:13 pm
Yeah. I wonder about the bonus, myself.
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 05:03 pm
Pre COVID the cap was suppose to increase 20+ mill, now it's -20 mill. A 40+ million swing. There must be some room in there for some negotiating.
dobber
November 16, 2020 at 05:44 am
jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/11/15/green-bay-packers-deal-david-bakhtiari-goes-easy-salary-cap/6307660002/
Apparently the structure is team-friendly in 2021, but it gets hard after that.
Bearmeat
November 15, 2020 at 03:29 pm
YES! This was the TOP priority after KC IMO. You don't let go of the best LT in the game with an aged HOF QB.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 03:52 pm
Let’s see what the actual terms are.
P.S.
Per nfl.com:
“David Bakhtiari has agreed to a four-year extension worth up to $105.5 million in new money, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per sources. The contract includes a $30 million signing bonus, a record for an offensive lineman, and another $30-plus million in March roster bonuses over the course of the next 28 months, Rapoport added. The practical guarantee is for at least $62.8 million before the end of 2022.
With a base salary of $23 million per year (and potentially $23.5 million), Bakhtiari becomes the highest-paid offensive lineman in NFL history and is now on Green Bay's books through the 2024 season.”
No wonder no cash to throw around this year. We look to have put all our eggs in his basket.
DL, WR, RB, CB draft favorites.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 15, 2020 at 06:31 pm
You misquoted Rapoport. Ian R. wrote "At its base, it's $23M per year and could reach $23.5M per year."
No way Bakh has a $23M base salary anytime soon. Bakh probably has cap savings as early as 2022 (albeit with a boatload of dead money).
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 07:49 pm
It’s $100M over four years. That’s what you’re budgeting for the LT position. You can push some numbers around but it’s $25 million a year for four years. It’s the biggest contract for an OT in league history.
I don’t understand how we kept Clark and Bakhtiari, so I guess it’s a good thing we have Russ Ball.
Bure9620
November 16, 2020 at 02:32 am
Jaire's agent will be knocking soon......
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 11:29 pm
Actually unadulterated text. No amendments
Thegreatreynoldo
November 16, 2020 at 04:59 am
Interesting. I went to Rapoport's twitter page. Maybe he edited it. Can twitter posts be edited by the user? I know nothing about twitter.
Anyway, my apologies. The quote confused me. I figured maybe you didn't copy and paste.
Guam
November 15, 2020 at 03:52 pm
He is worth it, I just didn't think the Packers could afford him. If the Packers hadn't paid him that much, some other team certainly would have. Bahk was going to get a big paycheck, the only question was which team. My hope is that his body holds up for the duration of the contract.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 04:47 pm
I have long believed he’d break someone’s bank. I’m less certain that we can draft around this concentration of cap.
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 05:09 pm
Nobody over 30 is worth that who doesn't throw the rock. You don't give an older player an 8 million raise who does not have upside but has a long steady downside. I would have preferred a TEAM friendly deal to help pay a few more salaries and a Championship run. This makes it much harder to accomplish.
Pulpfriction01
November 15, 2020 at 06:46 pm
Tackles age well
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 08:51 pm
We"re not talking about a vintage wine. 30+ players decline, not ascend. You will be paying more for less.
CAG123
November 16, 2020 at 06:01 am
Who’s expecting ANY 30 year old player to ascend? You want them to maintain if that’s the case every team should let every 30 year old non QB walk because they’re not “ascending”
PhantomII
November 16, 2020 at 11:59 am
It doesn't matter who it is. 8 mill raise for same is some serious inflation. It shows he didn't care if he was going to stay a packer or not and doesn't care if others get cut to pay his salary. Not a TEAM player move. That's what bothers me. Screw everyone I'm getting paid. It's not like it's his first deal and played for scraps on his last deal.
CAG123
November 16, 2020 at 03:20 pm
Oh save that crap get what you can while you can it’s crazy how y’all have the audacity to tell other folks how much money they should take.
PhantomII
November 16, 2020 at 09:55 pm
I don't care how much he makes for another team. One guy signing subtracts 4 other players talent from your team.
Oppy
November 18, 2020 at 04:20 pm
Just like Rodgers' contract.
Difference is, Rodgers is a QB, which means he's made far more during his career already than any non-QB would make, and as a starting quality QB, he's likely to play far longer during his career than almost any player position outside of placekicker / punter.
NFL owners are typically billionaires. Maybe instead of insisting players take less, the answer should be to expand the salary cap.
Guam
November 15, 2020 at 10:20 pm
Bulaga isn't aging well and neither did Chad Cilfton who didn't complete his third contract with the Packers. Big guys over 30 are an availability crap shoot. Fingers crossed on Bahk.
Guam
November 15, 2020 at 10:20 pm
Bulaga isn't aging well and neither did Chad Cilfton who didn't complete his third contract with the Packers. Big guys over 30 are an availability crap shoot. Fingers crossed on Bahk.
Pulpfriction01
November 15, 2020 at 10:42 pm
When I checked yesterday, bulaga was the #1 rated run blocking tackle in the league even with his injury history and age.
dobber
November 16, 2020 at 05:48 am
Bulaga has played only 2 full games out of 10. Has missed 4 full games.
Bearmeat
November 16, 2020 at 07:24 am
letting go of Bulaga was the right thing to do. His body was broken down, just like Lang's
jannesbjornson
November 16, 2020 at 09:46 am
Ask Philly how they're dealing with their LTs out?
Bure9620
November 15, 2020 at 04:36 pm
Nope, he is not after age 30......starting to question some of the moves by Gute.......
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 04:49 pm
I wonder who signed off on this. This could easily be Murphy for LaFleur under the structure.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 08:11 pm
I think it was probably a consensus. “What’s his value and is he worth it?”
This is a Buy from 1265. They’re betting he’s worth it
Personally, I wouldn’t have done this, but it’s a solid move, IMO. When you look at Bakhtiari, and Jenkins, and Turner and Wagner....that’s a solid group that’s all under contract for the next couple of years.
Personnel moves are the domain of the GM.
jannesbjornson
November 16, 2020 at 09:50 am
Who do you bag in the draft 2021? The top four OTs will be gone by the mid-rounds. His deal probably gives them two to three years security on the left flank. Turner still gets whipped around by DEs, etc not putting the future in him.
Leatherhead
November 16, 2020 at 11:16 am
I think this is about winning with Rodgers, and how that involves keeping him protected.
Bakhtiari, Turner, Jenkins, and Wagner are all under contract for two more years after this season. This means using bargains at the skill positions.....rookie contracts, UDFA s, Day 3 picks.
.
It works because of Rodgers having time to make good decisions and throws, and it will continue to work for the next couple of years. People will bitch and moan that poor Aaron Rodgers has to work with garbage receivers. And so it goes.
I’d draft defense. All four Super Bowls we have won have involved a HOF QB and an elite defense.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 07:53 pm
I started questioning when he cut Jordy and passed on Lamar Alexander. Questioning is good, but that 20-5 streak while winning the division is a difficult fact to dismiss.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 08:00 pm
"I started questioning when he cut Jordy and passed on Lamar Alexander. "
Admittedly, the Packers have no room on the roster for an 80-year-old senator.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 08:37 pm
Shit?. Lamar Jackson. But that was a mixup for sure.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 11:32 pm
Ageist? Or have you seen him play?
dobber
November 16, 2020 at 05:57 am
Word on the street is he's lost a step.
Oppy
November 18, 2020 at 11:10 pm
I'm pretty sure that's a cookie worthy comment, but it's not my place to hand those out.
13TimeChamps
November 15, 2020 at 03:30 pm
Seeya A.Jones, J. Wiilians, C.Linsely and K.King. Been nice knowin' ya. I hope it's worth it.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 03:36 pm
We all knew choices were going to need to be made.
Here's hoping BG is making the right one.
stockholder
November 15, 2020 at 03:46 pm
Good bye Rodgers.
edp1959
November 15, 2020 at 05:53 pm
You are an idiot if you think Rodgers is going anywhere.
CheesyTex
November 15, 2020 at 08:51 pm
Think Everly Brothers: "Bye, bye Love"...
HighPlainsDrifter
November 15, 2020 at 04:26 pm
Fortunately we have Gutekunst and Ball to figure things out instead of some simpleton like 13Time.
dobber
November 16, 2020 at 06:03 am
With a lot of the bonus structure in roster bonuses, this is really more of a "pay as you go" kind of deal. Keeping #69 gets pricey after 2021, but there are ways to mitigate that.
This might have been the only way to keep Bakh, and--frankly--the Packers put themselves in a position where not resigning him puts a lot more pressure on their drafts.
stockholder
November 15, 2020 at 03:20 pm
Pretenders? A win is a win.
edp1959
November 15, 2020 at 03:20 pm
Really like the way that number 1 pick helps this team.
Spiczeap
November 15, 2020 at 03:30 pm
Get over it dude
NickPerry
November 15, 2020 at 03:42 pm
Okay but it WOULD be nice if the dude could beat out Boyle and dress for a game at some point.
Then there's the 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, well EVERY other pick who haven't done SQUAT except a 6th round pick (Runyan).
Sorry but it's getting really tough to keep looking past these drafts.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 03:46 pm
Why? That’s not been the plan from day one as far as I can see. Let’s hope he turns into what they seem to think he can be.
Deguara is injured. Would have liked Dillon today but COVID is what it is. Martin looks like a keeper. Scott has showed promise too.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 03:53 pm
I wish that we were a crappy team that needed big contributions from rookies. I mean, it’s not like it’s about the future or anything.
mrj007
November 15, 2020 at 03:47 pm
Good point about how no one from this draft is really contributing.... but it took Gary like3 years to make a good tackle. So maybe still hope!
Pulpfriction01
November 15, 2020 at 06:54 pm
The draft thing is so played out. You know where they talk about their teams failure to draft well? Pretty much every franchise. Seahawks fans complain about their draft failures. New England fans complain about theirs. San fran fans complains about their draft failures. It just so happens they have traditionally been really good teams. Go spend some time on any one of those teams forums and you will hear people saying the same thing. At the end of the day, green bay is the #1 team in the NFC right now. Surely they have made a few decent draft picks.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 15, 2020 at 06:36 pm
I am over King vs. Watt because TT is no longer the GM. Gute is GB's general manager and is likely to remain so for at least a few more years. Bad moves by this GM constitute current affairs.
Jared
November 15, 2020 at 09:36 pm
Then don’t complain about the defense!!
Spiczeap
November 15, 2020 at 03:32 pm
You’re going to get 3 consecutive Hall of Fame QBs
LayingTheLawe
November 15, 2020 at 06:48 pm
The Packers favored Lazard and MVS over picks and that seems to be panning out. They retooled the inside linebackers with what seems to be three interesting players. They got some OL depth. If Love can play this draft will be a success.
In 2005 the Packers go 4 -12. In 2006 the Pack goes 8 - 8 and fires the coach. Is that because they made a mistake and drafted Aaron Rodgers number 1 in 2005 and he was just sitting there on the bench not helping the team?
On the other side they favored Adams and Keke and some others over draft picks and maybe that will be a mistake. But blaming the draft for the team not being ready to play is way off.
Oppy
November 15, 2020 at 07:06 pm
How many years did you weep and complain about Aaron Rodgers being drafted while we had Favre?
If you didn't whine about the Rodgers pick, what's so different now?
If you did, why didn't you learn anything from that experience?
NitschkeFan
November 15, 2020 at 07:52 pm
Comparing those two picks shows a deep lack of knowledge/memory. They were in no ones eyes the equivalent value on their respective draft days. One guy was felt by many to be a top 5 talent (actually predicted to go at #1 by many) the other guy wasn’t at the top of anyone’s draft board.
Jared
November 15, 2020 at 09:38 pm
Because Love wasn’t EVER considered to be a 1st round pick!!
jannesbjornson
November 16, 2020 at 09:56 am
He was rated to land between # 26 to #30. He had First Round grades.
4thand10
November 15, 2020 at 11:56 pm
Your entire statement says Love = Rodgers or Favre ....That’s a monster gamble. I hope you’re right, but I don’t think that’s working out that way.
Bure9620
November 16, 2020 at 02:35 am
Thats the NFL....
baldski
November 16, 2020 at 04:32 am
Tom Brady was a 7th round pick. How did all the teams and scouts miss that one?
Oppy
November 16, 2020 at 06:33 pm
The comment I am responding to is that Love is a wasted pick because he's not playing football in 2020.
The poster makes this comment every single week.
As for those who say my post means "Love = Rodgers or Favre" or that Love wasn't ranked as high as Rodgers, that's not my point. For the post that says I must not have any knowledge or memory, let me stir your memory, sir: When Rodgers was in free fall on draft day, half the football world and 3/4 of the Packers fan base was suggesting the reason all those teams passed on Rodgers was because SF and the rest of the NFL knew something bad about Rodgers' game or personality that the Packers front office didn't.
Half of the Packers fan base wanted to give Rodgers the boot, not just before he ever played a snap, but even through his first whole year as a starter. Most of Packers nation claimed it was a wasted pick because we still had Favre and what good was a 1st round QB who rode pine.
Now, I'm not making -any- predictions about Love's potential. The draft is always a crap shoot, you're gambling that the selected player is going to develop. Close to the same percentage of 1st round selections fall out of the league after their rookie contract as do those picked in later rounds (the difference is that those who DO get a second contract tend to achieve higher ceilings.) That said, the point is simple:
A 1st round selection doesn't have to play as a rookie, or even in his third year, to have the potential to have a great, positive impact on a franchise for a decade or more.. You don't know, till you know.
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 09:08 pm
Did u watch him the last posession? He got a sack and 2 pressures. If he doesnt do that. We might of lost the damn game. Hes getting healthy. And was playing well before the injury.
jannesbjornson
November 16, 2020 at 09:59 am
If the edge play doesn't improve by playoffs, Gutedkunst could move both Smiths in 2021 for value picks. Bring in a 4-3/4-2 defense.
LayingTheLawe
November 15, 2020 at 09:58 pm
I really don't think a different number one pick changes anything. You want to snipe about the lack of emotion, the poor execution and not appearing ready I am thumbs upping that. But harping on the draft now just seems like sitting back feverishly waiting for anything bad to happen to this team and saying "see if they only drafted better" no matter what it is that actually happens.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
November 15, 2020 at 03:21 pm
No style points but a win is a win I guess. Thank you Jags for calling a timeout on the 4th and 26 (it pains me to type that). Looks like we had dialed up the dreaded 3-man rush, and then switched out. If I never see another 3-man rush it will be too soon.
canadapacker
November 15, 2020 at 03:23 pm
We called the time out - wonder if it was Lafleur when he saw what Petting was doing? Was really really happy when I saw the 4 lineman after the TO.
mrj007
November 15, 2020 at 03:50 pm
I can only hope we was telling Pettine to pull his head out of his ass... I can’t be alone in the thoughts about a 3-man front instead of pressuring a rookie QB...
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 05:40 pm
We held that QB to one TD.
Bure9620
November 16, 2020 at 02:36 am
Which was a pretty bad ass throw, a laser through a tight window
flackcatcher
November 15, 2020 at 04:11 pm
No. At the game, can hear in press box Packers calling for a time out after Jags switch up their formation in LOS. Lots of new stuff inline for Jags, clearly Packers surprised on both sides of LOS. Packers made some changes after half to pressure the pocket. Pettine gambled with mostly quarters and man coverage to free up the Bros and Gray. At points late in the fourth the Packers went to zero coverage giving a extra man at LOS. It worked, they won.
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 09:11 pm
Hey. At least they adjusted. The one sequence where they played man 3 downs in a row wit three pass breakups after sullivans pi was nice. And of course the last sequence.
HighPlainsDrifter
November 15, 2020 at 11:50 pm
Thank you flakcatcher for posting the most intelligent comment on this board yesterday.
4thdown
November 15, 2020 at 04:53 pm
My thoughts exactly. I figured I wasnt the only one that saw that. The D line was finally jacking up the rookie QB and your going to take there mo away and put in 8 DBs for a Hail Mary? Im in the group that thinks ML called Time and got in Pettines Headset. Hes watched what we have all watched time and time again.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 03:31 pm
Need to reassess an offense that grinds to a halt on a windy day...
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 03:42 pm
We need to ask a number of questions, most seriously the offensive line couldn’t block anything in the run game all day.
Darius Shepherd is our 4th best WR. EQ is ... MVS had perhaps his best game. Hope Adams and Ervin are short term injuries.
On D we play zone almost all day. Let an immobile novice QB settle. Mix in more man: we are better at it anyway.
I’m convinced Pettine’s usage of the D line and OLBs is the problem. Neutering our rush and weak against the run.
A lot of depth behind depth got time in the backfield. Be interesting to break out who did what.
I’m on the Pettine needs to go sooner not later bandwagon
dobber
November 16, 2020 at 05:55 am
I can't blame Pettine for playing a lot of zone today with his top 2 CBs on inactive.
I thought everyone was saying Jackson's more of a zone CB, anyway. If he's your default #1 outside CB on a day like yesterday, maybe playing a lot of zone makes sense.
jannesbjornson
November 15, 2020 at 04:12 pm
No fullback on this squad. You want to run and dominate get the lead blocker. Right side of Packer O line still gets stoned on bull rushes.
Tundraboy
November 15, 2020 at 10:14 pm
I'm on board. Want to enjoy the playoffs.
jannesbjornson
November 15, 2020 at 04:08 pm
Le Fleur changed that 3 man front from giving up the play. His call to maintain pressure. Pettine s clueless.
CAG123
November 15, 2020 at 03:21 pm
It was ugly and the Packers did what I expected them to which is let an inferior team hang around but at least they got the W this time lol but come on who else was nervous on (gulp) 4th and 26 I was just a tad. Oh and doesn’t look like Bak is going anywhere on to Indy
PackfanNY
November 15, 2020 at 03:26 pm
I looked it up when I saw the down and distance because I tried to blank it out of my memory bank. I knew it was Freddy “whatever the F his name was”. Well, there is a damn Wikipedia page for 4 &26! Dammit it’s Freddie Mitchell. A few years later he went to jail for tax fraud.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 04:17 pm
Freddie Mitchell
Pulpfriction01
November 15, 2020 at 07:08 pm
I guess I'm a little superstitious. I saw 3rd and 17 and thought to myself that I like the odds. My next thought was, "well, they did give up a 4th and 26 before." The very next play was 4th and 26... I assumed they would get a penalty for an automatic 1st down at that point.
Lphill
November 15, 2020 at 03:23 pm
Lets remember the 2020 draft class 0 contribution . can any other team proclaim that?
Spiczeap
November 15, 2020 at 03:32 pm
Get over it!
13TimeChamps
November 15, 2020 at 03:47 pm
You have no idea how much it pains me to agree with you, but when you're right....you're right.
fastmoving
November 15, 2020 at 04:04 pm
And one of the best records anyway. So you just want to say that TTs drafting was just great?
But heeee, we have the worst behind and a bright future ahead of us. So, as you know, the rest is just for LOOOOOSERS.
VINCE LOMBARDI
LayingTheLawe
November 15, 2020 at 06:49 pm
Aaron Rodgers was drafted in 2005. He didn't play until 2008. Were you here then bemoaning what a terrible pick he was?
Jared
November 15, 2020 at 09:41 pm
Love was never considered as a 1st round pick!!!
HighPlainsDrifter
November 15, 2020 at 11:53 pm
That is a lie. Love was considered a first round pick by every credible draft analyst and was moving up the board as draft day approached. Be more informed.
Irish_Cheesehead
November 15, 2020 at 03:25 pm
Would really like to see a coaching change on defense next year. Off day for the offense, but the defense is porous every week. Seems like there's no energy on that side of the ball.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 04:06 pm
Jacksonville scored 20 points. 7 of those were on special teams. We also turned the ball over twice that gave them short fields. You can figure roughly that every turnover is worth about 40 yards and four points, so that’s 8 off turnovers. So the defense didn’t give up much.
With the game on the line, the defense got two stops to seal the victory.
I’m not sure what the expectations are for this defense, but a lot of them seem unrealistic. In our 9 games, we’ve held our opponent under their season average 6 times.
Meanwhile, our offense struggled. We turned it over, Adams had a bad day, we went through another scoreless 3rd quarter, just like against Tampa and Minnesota.
flackcatcher
November 15, 2020 at 04:15 pm
Forget it LH. It's Packertown.. :-)
Rebecca
November 15, 2020 at 05:42 pm
I like your measured assessment. Plus, the Jaguars came play, saw what they should do to be competitive, and gave us fits. Not a fun game to watch. A win! 7-2.
cpabandit
November 15, 2020 at 05:24 pm
It's more than lack of energy. It's lack of intelligence. You should be intelligent to know how to play a position in football that is paying you a ton of money as well as coach a postion(s) that is paying you tons of money.
LeotisHarris
November 15, 2020 at 07:27 pm
Someone needs to run this up the pole at 1265 ASAP. The epiphany of positions handling revenue *by weight* is mindboggling, and having it all tied to intelligence, well, that's Watergate material right there.
Since'61
November 15, 2020 at 03:27 pm
I would never apologize for a win but I think the Packers would have lost to just about any other team in the league today except for maybe the Jets.
Special teams gave up a TD and then a 30 yard punt from Scott, just ridiculous.
This team needs to find a sense of urgency. They should have blown the Jags out of the stadium.
Need to show up in Indy next week. Thanks, Since ‘61
13TimeChamps
November 15, 2020 at 03:42 pm
Damn...I wish I would have put some $$ on the spread today!
mbpacker
November 15, 2020 at 03:55 pm
Indy will beat us if we don't bring our A game.
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 04:43 pm
Im confident they will show up on offense next week. Because they will get lazard back and scantling is playing better. This was his best game of the season. On defense. Someone needs to rally them. They need to find their own monentum without fans. The last stand was nice with gary and the Smiths. But the first half it almost looked like they just didnt give a shit that they were playing. The jaguars lost because they made mistakes all game. They left so many points out there. The colts will score more than 20 if the d plays like this.
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 05:22 pm
You're right. Last years embarrassing performance in the NFC Championship should have fueled this team to stomp every team on their schedule. If a TEAM and coaching staff need motivation, there it is.
LayingTheLawe
November 15, 2020 at 06:50 pm
Jags beat the Colts. Every week is different.
Lare
November 15, 2020 at 03:28 pm
I think the Packers need new special teams and defensive coaches.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 03:56 pm
I’m wondering who was on ST, given most of our staples were playing on other phases and many of their fill in’s too.
jannesbjornson
November 15, 2020 at 04:21 pm
Missed contain and tackle by Williams, Summers ran himself out of the tackle, Scott with a cowardly performance on the return. He has to force the guy out of bounds. Lot of distance, no hang time...
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 04:57 pm
Looked like at least 2 vacant gaps to me. He had a gap a mile wide. I guess the Packers don’t teach punters anything about tackling! Surely a team choice, as you said, just had to force him out, but at least make contact if not.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 06:33 pm
If Scott had thrown himself at the guy and injured himself.......
A really uncoordinated effort. Kind of like a 9 year old catching a pop up. He looked pretty spastic, for sure.
PatrickGB
November 15, 2020 at 04:57 pm
Lovett being out hurt on STs. And swerve was out too. The backups in and out of the roster did not help with continuity.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 04:58 pm
We need a FB on the O and on ST based on that game.
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 11:08 pm
Redmond and lovett both. Sts can take a nosedive when your backups dont play.
Farts_After_Wins
November 15, 2020 at 03:28 pm
*poot*
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 03:34 pm
Time to pop the cork on another "W"!
Bearmeat
November 15, 2020 at 03:50 pm
Hey. Got the dub. Yes, this was a 1-7 team from a warm-weather climate in the cold starting a backup UDFA QB. But ugly wins still count.
I was encouraged by the play of MVS. The Jags were crowding the LOS, doubling Adams and daring someone else to beat them. MVS did.
Both starting CBs out. Pass rush came alive when it matters. Scott was bad and so was the run D (again).
But an ugly win is better than a pretty loss. Moving on. Hope Swerve is ok.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 03:35 pm
This is an offense that seems to struggle when there's no sweep action or motion.
Bearmeat
November 15, 2020 at 03:53 pm
Meh. I really think the Jags played really physical at the LOS, crowded it, doubled Davante, and just dared someone else to beat them.
We did. Pettine's passivity is frustrating as hell. But we won.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 04:00 pm
This is a team, offense and defense, that regularly seems to come out flat. That’s not acceptable. We have to learn to fight and if LaFleur can’t motivate all the wizardry will count for little.
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 04:45 pm
Yup. Absolutely right. No leader on d. So they need a coach to lead them.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 15, 2020 at 06:44 pm
GB needs to be able to threaten the edges. Motion can help sell that. A little predictable today as well with the offensive playcalling, imo. Very little movement especially by the right side of the line.
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 09:26 pm
Remember, too, that this was the first game all season where the Packers didn't put up points on their first drive...usually that's been 7s. They've been playing with leads most of the season.
Guam
November 15, 2020 at 03:42 pm
Yeah, it was an ugly "W", but still a "W". I was also encouraged by MVS - no drops, a TD and over 100 yards receiving. There is hope.
I was discouraged by the defense. The lack of physicality is very concerning and Pettine just seems unwilling to encourage tough football. We can't hold the edge, we're vulnerable up the middle when we play two down DL and the pass rush was poor until the final series. This is just not a SB defense despite the statistics.
PackfanNY
November 15, 2020 at 03:32 pm
The Packers should burn this tape immediately. This was disgusting. The lack of physical play from this defense is alarming. They don’t/can’t hold an edge. Play like this next week and they will be embarrassed. I mean we need to be honest about the performance. I am interested to hear what LaFleur says but tape don’t lie.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 04:10 pm
And yet, the defense only gave up 13 points, 10 of those on short drives following turnovers. With the game on the line, we shut them down twice to seal the win.
PatrickGB
November 15, 2020 at 04:59 pm
Don’t burn it...learn from it instead.
PackerBacker84
November 15, 2020 at 03:35 pm
Well said bearmeat
Ollie1960
November 15, 2020 at 03:36 pm
What a horrible Defense.
Nice 3 man rush 3rd and goal Pettine.
FIRE Pettine.
Slos, no energy from Packers.
mrj007
November 15, 2020 at 03:41 pm
Also ugly is my grammar....
HankScorpio
November 15, 2020 at 04:40 pm
On balance, I'm with 'ya on the defense.
Today they played well. Not great, considering the opponent. But 13 points allowed with 7 coming on a short field after turnover, I'm not complaining about the defense today.
mrj007
November 15, 2020 at 03:36 pm
I know it’s not good, bad or ugly time.... but f-it!
Good - the one play all year where it was Rashad GarBad - Greg f-ing jennnings comments, the offense, defense and Special Teams
Ugly - watching Scott try to tackle on punt returner
fastmoving
November 15, 2020 at 03:56 pm
MVS was way more than great........
Grimm
November 15, 2020 at 05:09 pm
JK Scotts effort on that punt return was bad enough to show him the door after the season. Dude, your the one that botched that tuff kick, make an effort to save the TD.
Dancrothers54
November 15, 2020 at 03:39 pm
Sadly, we play to the level of our competition.....d played decently...a rod had a good game, the pick was just a good play. My only neg.s the run game / first downs...hard to fo offensively when it’s always 2nd and 3rd and long
WisconsinStrong
November 15, 2020 at 03:39 pm
Started the game with a headache, finished it with a migraine. It's last year all over again.
Dancrothers54
November 15, 2020 at 03:41 pm
Go offensively
johngalt
November 15, 2020 at 03:43 pm
This is the team. It’s a realistic look at what they can do, and how they measure up. Sucks to see, but it is what it is. Can’t blame anyone but their own failure to execute. Maybe smash that thumbs down button if it makes ya feel better.
HankScorpio
November 15, 2020 at 04:32 pm
Yeah, right. The struggle against Jax is "realistic", which would make beating the crap out of NO, what exactly?
johngalt
November 15, 2020 at 04:50 pm
Most good teams improve as the season goes on and 37-30 ain’t beating the crap out of em either. Curious what your assessment of how they measure up? I could be missing something. They sure don’t seem like a good football team tho.
HankScorpio
November 15, 2020 at 05:12 pm
Whatever it "seems", the Packers are tied for the most wins in the NFC at this point in the season. I believe they will make the playoffs. Once that happens, we'll see what we see. They have the talent at the key positions to beat anyone if they play well inside a solid game plan. But to paraphrase Herb Brooks, they don't have enough talent to win on talent alone.
Whatever happens, I doubt many will think back to this afternoon's game as meaningful. Non-conference home games against bad opponents in November rarely are meaningful. I see no reason for this one to be an exception.
mbpacker
November 15, 2020 at 03:49 pm
The Good: we won albeit ugly! MVS coming out party? Stepped up when we had to make the plays. My Bear relatives having their hopes dashed.
The Bad: Coming out with no energy, flat, playing up to the opponent's level.
The Ugly: Play calls at times. Lacked creativity even in the wind conditions. Poor tackling and soft on D overall. Ugly win but will take it.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 15, 2020 at 06:46 pm
THIS ^^^
mbpacker
November 15, 2020 at 08:20 pm
Translation?
Thegreatreynoldo
November 16, 2020 at 05:21 am
I thought every word you wrote was spot on. [I have many first cousins who live in Chicago, where I was born but not raised, so that appealed to me as well.]
OldPacker
November 15, 2020 at 03:49 pm
The run back is 7 , adams fumble basically 7 point .. so D gave up 2 field goals .... even if they looked soft ... if they run that dang play= throwing to the sideline at the line of scrimmage I'm going to lose it ..it has not worked once this season ..please put it at the bottom of play calls! Loved AR going out to inspire the D (last series).. they still don't look like a SB team
fansince1959
November 15, 2020 at 04:42 pm
amen---is MM still the coach?
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 05:04 pm
True, but we failed to stop a decent but not great running back notching 7 ypc in the first half and also failed to pressure an immobile novice QB till the run was a dead option.
Neither of those facets of the defensive performance are going to work against a decent team. This was not one.
The fact that we could at the end when we started mixing in man coverage more and focused on the pass suggest it’s coaching not players.
Tundraboy
November 15, 2020 at 10:18 pm
Thumbs up!
Qoojo
November 15, 2020 at 03:52 pm
Packers are a soft team, and they faced a hard hitting team today. Lost the turnover battle and gave up points on special teams, but still won. The third and one stuff at end, when the packers really needed the first down, kind of summed it up. They are lucky that the jags had an inexperienced qb, but let's give the defensive front credit for coming through at the end with pressure and sacks.
Note: Makes two windy game days that really grounded the packers offense.
BAMABADGER
November 15, 2020 at 03:53 pm
What an overpay for Bakhtiari. The cap goes down next year. This could pose contract problems for years.
Leatherhead
November 15, 2020 at 04:12 pm
If we release Rodgers and Adams after 2021, our cap situation will look better.
Thegravedigger
November 15, 2020 at 04:49 pm
This is a joke i hope.
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 08:46 pm
LOL!!!!!
MITM
November 15, 2020 at 03:54 pm
You just knew this team was going to come out like this. The Colts and Titans are going to embarrass us.
LayingTheLawe
November 15, 2020 at 06:55 pm
The Jaguars beat the Colts. And lost to the Titans on a last minute field goal.
Swisch
November 15, 2020 at 04:22 pm
*** Very Good teams pull out these close games -- against a bad team in adverse weather -- most of the time.
*** MVS -- Most Valuable Speedster?
*** Is it "D" as in decent? Still time to change the coordinator of the defense, on the one hand; on the other, good credit to the defense for coming up big in the fourth quarter.
*** Raven Greene a difference maker, a star in the making?
*** Excellent winning drive by the offense for the go-ahead touchdown; but disappointing last drive -- three-and-out -- to give the ball back to the Jaguars for a last opportunity to tie or beat us. No passes. If you have a guy in motion on third down as at least a potential ball carrier on a sweep, then maybe Jones gets that one yard for the first down.
*** Great teams don't have these close games all that often.
*** The Packers look to be fun and fascinating going forward for the rest of the season, with time to gel on both sides of the ball as a team in a quest for greatness.
Lphill
November 15, 2020 at 04:06 pm
The Packers have wasted Rodgers career by not fielding s defense.
Kevin King is not worth offering a contract.
Jordan Love is having an impact on this years defense.
Imagine if the Packers had an inside linebacker ?
Mike Pettine plays it too safe , he is old news , get Dan Quinn now !
This is not even a playoff caliber team they will make the playoffs by default because of the division.
13TimeChamps
November 15, 2020 at 05:16 pm
Didn't you predict they would go 8-8 and not make the playoffs? 7-2 at the moment.
Oppy
November 15, 2020 at 07:22 pm
On the Packers wasting Rodgers' career and Jordan Love having impact on this year's defense:
Since 2010, 8 of the Packers 9 first round draft picks have been defensive players. (Packers didn't have a 1st round selection in 2017). Oh, and in 2017, the Packers first selection was Kevin King.
Things haven't worked out great for the Packers defense, but it's not like the Packers haven't tried to improve the defense. That's a false narrative, and frankly, a lazy one.
With all that in mind.. You really think it's the Jordan Love pick that is having an impact on this year's defense?!
HighPlainsDrifter
November 16, 2020 at 12:05 am
Lphill doesn't think. The man can't even use a punctuation mark properly.
fastmoving
November 16, 2020 at 05:49 am
I thought they wasted something because of the lack of weapons?
Yeah, the other divisions look way stronger, like always. Dont know why you just look some football games............
But other than that, everyones last couple of years (lifes, money, moral, strenght) and part of the future are badly wasted. But thats not the fault of the Packers.
dobber
November 16, 2020 at 10:00 am
"I thought they wasted something because of the lack of weapons?"
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor????
CheesyTex
November 16, 2020 at 09:04 pm
I usually pick up on nuance, but "the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" throws me.
Help.
HighPlainsDrifter
November 17, 2020 at 05:58 am
Animal House reference.
CheesyTex
November 17, 2020 at 12:44 pm
Thanks, HPD.
Mcdaws
November 15, 2020 at 04:09 pm
Jekyll and Hyde out there, I want the defense to show up strong so badly, some key plays today on some third downs. But let’s finish strong, come on pack, you can do this, defense- find your passion and fire, thank you for closing the game today. Phew, glad we got the win
arthurl
November 15, 2020 at 04:15 pm
When the regular season is ove, no one will remember much about this game. What will be the most important is what is their record and can they get home field? It wasn’t pretty, but they are basically a one dimensional offense without Adams since Lazard is still out. MVS really stepped up. Weren’t they playing without both starting CBS as I didn’t get to see their game?
dobber
November 15, 2020 at 04:25 pm
"When the regular season is ove, no one will remember much about this game."
You're right in that regard. The key fact is that they scored a W...an ugly W, but still a W.
HankScorpio
November 15, 2020 at 04:30 pm
Yes, King and Alexander both were inactive.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 05:09 pm
We also lost Savage and Redmond was out. Deep depth in the backfield with only Amos, Greene and Sullivan on the field for most of the game who might be expected to get significant backfield snaps ideally.
jannesbjornson
November 16, 2020 at 02:01 pm
Hollman held his own.
HankScorpio
November 15, 2020 at 04:28 pm
"One of the worst games we've seen from Davante since his second year"
Agreed, And if I was a CB for the Colts, I might not be resting very easily this week, pondering what Adams will do to bounce back.
Coldworld
November 15, 2020 at 05:11 pm
It is a long, long time since I’ve seen a star receiver roughed up as Adams was. I though that kind of play was consigned to history years ago.
Packers0808
November 15, 2020 at 04:41 pm
It seems only motions won this game, not emotions for sure! Looked like Arlington out there today!
Bure9620
November 15, 2020 at 04:42 pm
I simply knew it was a HB dive on 3rd and 1 with Jones........I lost it......Aaron Jones is a dynamic player, what he is NOT is a short yardage back, not at all what he is........Lefleur is VERY predictable at times.....is he just thinking we can be vanilla and still beat the Jags, and put nothing on film????? A W is a W but man that was tough to watch......Also, we have regressed on Special teams this season.....terrible kick coverage and the weapon is a liability....
fansince1959
November 15, 2020 at 04:50 pm
i totally agree---their line was stacked and we hadn't run the ball well all day so what made them believe they could get the measly 1 yard----play to win the game---
Qoojo
November 15, 2020 at 04:50 pm
Not sure many RBs in the history of the nfl could have got that yard given the blocking. Maybe Payton with a dive over the top, because the Jags moved the OL back. I think there was a DL guy at Jones' feet even.
Watching the replay, I thought the only way it could have been successful was to bounce outside, then with the speed of the nfl, that's rarely successful.
LayingTheLawe
November 15, 2020 at 06:58 pm
The rest I saw coming. Every time people pick the packers by 30 I know they are in for a tough game.
The only part I was mad about was the inability of this team to convert the 3rd and 1 and seal the game. No wonder Rodgers wants to throw it on 3rd and 1 half the time.
flackcatcher
November 15, 2020 at 04:45 pm
Random Thoughts: Grind it out win. Some days you just suck. Today was one such day for the team overall. They won. That's a good sign for this team. 'Rob Peter to pay Paul'. Only so much depth to go around. Packers paid the price on special teams today. JK Scott. UGH!!! By the firing metrics on this board, MLF should be gone tonight, and Pettine should be the next HC. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Gute is the GM, and he is not firing either after going 7-2 and leading the NFC. Give it a rest already... Packers play their base 3-5 for most of the game. Raven Greene is a monster in their base. Can see why Pettine loves him... Packer line play on both sides, just off today. Sloppy and a step slow till late in the fourth on both units. When it counted, both units executed and won. End of story. I need a (root) beer...
fansince1959
November 15, 2020 at 04:52 pm
Mark Murphy controls all firing, hiring----please let MLF pick his DC
flackcatcher
November 15, 2020 at 05:48 pm
Murphy controls nothing. Final Boss is the executive committee. Gute reports to them, not Murphy. It's Gute's call on all player and coaching personnel. Period. Right now, Gute is one of the most powerful general managers in the NFL and in Packer history.
Grimm
November 15, 2020 at 05:24 pm
No one mentioned.... Myles Jack's Oscar nomination for his acting performance in a comedy. That was too funny!
The officials are hard to figure out, sometimes its ticky tacky, sometimes its not. The pass interference call that was picked up, then reinstated wasnt even PI. It was within 5yrd of the LOS and he wasnt the targeted receiver. It should have been defensive holding if anything. Just a strange calling of the whole situation. Not a big deal in the game, just a bit of a brain twister.
I am now on the "lets move on from Pettine" at the end of the year. He calls a soft defense. This was another game were pressure would have been very effective, yet he tends to play soft zone and a light rush. Man and blitzing worked well on the few occasions he called it.
This O-line is good at pass blocking and even good at Zone blocking for the run. They are not a bunch of road graders. Short yardage is not the strength of this team. They need some more creative stuff in that situation.
They made it a nail bitter, but its a win and that is what matters most.
flackcatcher
November 15, 2020 at 05:57 pm
"The officials are hard to figure out, sometimes its ticky tacky, sometimes its not. The pass interference call that was picked up, then reinstated wasnt even PI. It was within 5yrd of the LOS and he wasnt the targeted receiver. It should have been defensive holding if anything. Just a strange calling of the whole situation. Not a big deal in the game, just a bit of a brain twister." After the way Adams was manhandled all game... Refs let the Jags hand check well beyond the LOS and they call THAT on Sullivan. Guess this group of game officials is already in mid season form.
Tundraboy
November 15, 2020 at 07:09 pm
"This was another game were pressure would have been very effective, yet he tends to play soft zone and a light rush.'
This is exactly why they should can Pettine now or he needs to start coaching as if the team needs to win with defense and forget that Rodgers is the QB. Have seen too many games where we start off passive on D and then hit a bump on O, and we're totally out of sync. A recipe for disaster in the big games, and postseason for sure, as we have already seen. I don't think there's any question we need a strong force as a leader on D one that creates some identity to match the offensive firepower we obviously have. Why wait?
Keek
November 15, 2020 at 06:37 pm
Is Scott our punter next year?
barutanseijin
November 17, 2020 at 05:48 am
I hope not.
veteranviewer
November 15, 2020 at 07:19 pm
Good: Win, MVS, Aaron Rodgers
Bad: Matt LaFleur, Mike pettine
uGLY: pACKER PLAYERS ARE A BUNCH OF PANSIES
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 09:04 pm
The Packers are consistently coming out flat with extended days off. Maybe we're hitting the Bong more than we're hitting the other team.
Roadrunner23
November 15, 2020 at 09:13 pm
They sure slept through this one but a win is a win is a win. Pettine’s defense drives me crazy but hey they held the jags to 20. Special teams are an adventure also. MVS continues to make plays, when Lazard comes back the top 3 WR’s could be lethal.
Let’s get the warts fixed and go beat the Colts.
PhantomII
November 15, 2020 at 09:16 pm
I liked how MVS swerved toward the end zone and drew the pursuing DB into a collision w/ a teammate/ref then scored. Nice
EddieLeeIvory
November 15, 2020 at 10:03 pm
Nags said: "This team looks soft and like a bunch of front runners "
Let me revise: This team IS SOFT & has been, on defense & special team, since 2010.
The whole DL except Clark should not be on an NFL roster. Lancaster is not even worthy of being a Big10 honorable mention all-conference player. Same with Lowry.
Montravius Adams & Kingsley Keke are like Zadarius & Preston & just want to around guys after QBs. NON physical, want to avoid the trenches & grunt work.
GP1
November 16, 2020 at 01:05 am
MLF has to call plays for what he has got out there not what he wants out there . Becoming too predictable.
Special teams have fallen in a hole. Our punter is out of his depth.
Oppositions are targeting Preston Smith; is it due to him or Petine ?
The problems are obvious but remain unfixed.
Istanbul
November 16, 2020 at 01:59 am
TO THE PUNTER: "YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT DONNIE!"
Istanbul
November 16, 2020 at 01:58 am
Other than the last series, the defense looked so placid again. The chance of getting to the SuperBowl with a defense that is generally soft and predictable is slim. If we're content to win one playoff game, ok. Otherwise you have to fire Pettine now and hope a fire is lit in the players and the interim d-coordinator brings a new approach to the run game, even if it is half way into the season. Could result in losing more games but they have to do something.
jimtalkbox
November 16, 2020 at 09:32 am
Just waiting on a game or a moment to "wake this team up".
They really "played down" to the Jags.
Archie
November 17, 2020 at 08:15 am
Looks to me like MM/DC are coaching the Pack again, and TT is making the draft picks/non-trades. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I do think this was an off game for the offense and I pray Gutey is much better than TT was. As to MP, he seems inept to me. I like listening to him talk but what he does on game day is absurd.
therightone
November 19, 2020 at 04:01 pm
Will never forget this day. I was with the guys from https://bestchoiceroofingservices.com/ when we watched it and we couldn't believe it.