Green Bay puts the ball firmly in Rodgers court
The Packers reportedly are set to move in whichever direction their superstar quarterback leans once he makes a decision on his playing future.
By PackerAaron
An NFL Network report on the morning of the Super Bowl indicates the franchise is happy to acquiesce to whatever decision Aaron Rodgers comes to about his playing future after his four days of darkness.
From Rapoport and Pelissero:
Returning to Green Bay, asking for a trade and retiring are all options. The team is respecting Rodgers' need for time to make his decision, and if Rodgers comes to the team with a request to play his 19th season elsewhere, sources say the Packers are open to working with the four-time AP NFL MVP on a trade. The Packers would need Rodgers, 39, to rework his contract to facilitate any trade for cap purposes, allowing him to steer the process toward a preferred destination. Sources say other teams have already inquired about Rodgers, and the answer from Green Bay has been consistent: until Rodgers decides what he wants to do, it's too early for any negotiations.
On the other hand, if Rodgers decides he wants to stay in Green Bay and is fully bought in -- "I'm either all-in or all-out," Rodgers told McAfee last month about playing in 2023 -- the Packers would want him back. The sides had productive conversations in the days after finishing a disappointing 8-9 season. More conversations figure to be needed, though, to make sure everyone is on the same page about the direction of the franchise and the roster.
Rodgers has made it clear that if he comes back to play it would be with the idea that it would be on a team that expects to compete for a championship. Will that be the Packers in 2023? The team has to start transitioning a roster that is extremely top heavy in age and cap commitments at some point and the team very well could begin that process this offseason. That might give Rodgers pause about wanting to return to Green Bay. However, there's every possibility that the two sides have an understanding that there will be slight personnel changes made, while keeping a core in tact that Rodgers is comfortable with.
Deciding he wants to move on doesn't make a ton of sense for Rodgers, a quarterback who has played every snap of his 18 year career in Green Bay. Does he really want to spend the final few years of his Hall of Fame career trying to refashion another team's offense to his particular preferences? Perhaps the Raiders fit the bill there due to the presence of Davante Adams, but that's a major projection when deciding to uproot your entire professional life.
Yes, Rodgers could decide to hang them up. Walking away from an incredibly large sum of money sounds insane, but there's no reason to doubt Rodgers sincerity when he says that possibility is on the table.
Whatever Rodgers decision may be, the Packers will have a decision to make on Jordan Love's fifth year option this spring. If Rodgers plans on returning to Green Bay, what should be an easy decision becomes a bit trickier.
One thing is clear. The Green Bay Packers are giving Rodgers all the time and space he needs to make whatever decision he thinks is best for him and will work on facilitating whatever choice he makes.
Is that what's best for the Packers?
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Comments (158)
croatpackfan
February 12, 2023 at 09:45 am
NO!
It is stupid. It looks to me that both sides wants to divorce, but no side wants to be "guilty" for the decision.
F*ck cowards on both sides.
KenEllis
February 12, 2023 at 10:12 am
Front office does not want to look bad trading away Rodgers.
If Philly was run the way GB is, they would never have traded away top draft pick Wentz and selected Hurts.
The cowards in charge at 1265 Lombardi should have traded Rodgers after the latest playoff disaster in 2021 instead of giving him that ridiculous contract.
And now they are acting like passive aggressive teenagers.
Can't wait until Murphy retires and hope the entire group gets sent packing.
Cheesedogg
February 12, 2023 at 12:19 pm
Rodgers won’t request a trade. He wants to make the packers the bad guy so he can keep the chip on his shoulder. Then he can badmouth them on the PM show.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 12:27 pm
Regardless of who requests it, the Packers should trade him anyway, and I don't care what McAmoozer says about it
canadapacker
February 12, 2023 at 01:37 pm
Croat - nothing needs to be done until it needs to be done. If you know what I mean - the Superbowl is just getting played - all coaches to all teams that need a coach are not even signed. Then there is the signing and free agent and 5th year deadlines to consider. So It will be done when it needs to be done and all the other talk is just PR talk and what is going on behind the scenes will be probably clearer after we know is it the Chiefs or the Eagles.
CheesedDeadHead
February 12, 2023 at 09:59 am
I think this all turns on public relations. The team will not say we are trading you. But they are more than likely not meeting the conditions he wanted to happily return (no rebuilding - sorry, but we have to reload for 1-2 years; no bringing back the posse - sorry cap consequences mean we have to make hard decisions and most won't be back). I'm sure they are letting Rodgers make his decision, but I am also pretty sure they told him the team won't look like what he wants it to look like under his current cap hit. Now Rodgers could make overtures to renegotiate his contract to make both of those situations happen and I am 99% sure the idiots in charge would think that's great, bring everyone back and pay Aaron less to do it. So basically the 2022 team with some draft picks. At least it frees up my Sundays for the Fall (I don't watch reruns of bad shows).
Oppy
February 12, 2023 at 10:05 am
I sincerely hope that the Packers are telling Rodgers they are rebuilding the team and many of the players Rodgers insists on keeping will be gone for 2023, no matter any salary concessions Rodgers may make, that Jordan Love WILL be the starting QB in 2024 regardless of any other factors.
I hope that it is framed in this manner. Here's our plans, if you want to stay, that's great, but we're going down this path and we're not concerned with your wishes.. but the decision is yours.
I do not, however, have any faith the front office will be so direct.
Getting rid of Rodgers should be the #1 priority.
Hematite
February 12, 2023 at 01:40 pm
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stockholder
February 12, 2023 at 04:50 pm
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mbpacker
February 12, 2023 at 10:12 am
My gute feelings are that 12 returns for the Packers. Do the Jets, Raiders offer a better chance of getting to the Super Bowl? I don't think so. Packers has made many mistakes on this issue, but not trading him last year was a big one.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 11:00 am
"Do the Jets, Raiders offer a better chance of getting to the Super Bowl?"
Not the Raiders. The Jets absolutely do. They have the #4 defense in the NFL, studs on the O line, a powerful run game, and a plethora of top-tier skill position players. I could also see them signing Tonyan and Lazard in free agency to round their roster out, and maybe even trading for Bakhtiari as well. Plus, Hackett, whom Rodgers loves, is their OC.
Realize the state of the Packers roster. They have a bottom-half defense in the NFL. They are 16 million over the cap. They allowed 5 yards per carry. They have a cheerleader calling plays and a dunce of a DC. The Packers need the draft capital and long-term cap space that a trade of Rodgers would provide.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 11:07 am
I highly doubt the Jets have the SC room to take on Rodgers and Bahk's contracts, not to mention adding Lazard as well who is a FA looking for his first big contract.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 11:11 am
Go to over the cap's salary cap calculator. They can create for themselves 59 million of cap space by cutting DE Carl Lawson, OT Duane Brown, and WR Corey Davis and restructuring LB CJ Mosely, OG Laken Tomlinson, DE John Franklin Myers, and TE CJ Uzomah.
They can take Rodgers' 15.8m 2023 cap hit, Bakh's 5.7m cap hit, re-sign their Center, bring in Lazard and Tonyan, and sign a couple of other players along the DL easily
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 11:27 am
"Go to over the cap's salary cap calculator."
I don't have the time or energy to do all that, so I'll take your word for it.
That just seems like a lot of player movement/restructuring to bring on a soon to be 40yo QB coming off his worst season as a starter with a pretty mediocre playoff history and a soon to be 32yo LT with a serious recent injury history.
Personally, I don't see it happening. But if it does, I'll be the first to say you were right.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 11:36 am
Analysts seem pretty convinced it’s possible if there is a real desire, for what that is worth.
Philarod
February 12, 2023 at 02:05 pm
Was that intentional, "gute feelings"? I like that, as applies here.
mbpacker
February 12, 2023 at 04:09 pm
Yes, of course :)
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 10:15 am
"One thing is clear. The Green Bay Packers are giving Rodgers all the time and space he needs to make whatever decision he thinks is best for him and will work on facilitating whatever choice he makes."
I have pretty much stayed clear of this topic as it's been beaten to death. But I disagree with the above comment. During their post season pow wow with Rodgers, they should have made it perfectly clear there will be a reasonable (March 1st?) deadline for Rodgers to make his decision known. If not, they will officially be moving forward with the plan that Love will be the presumptive 2023 starter, and the organization will either assume Rodgers is retiring or they will start seriously considering trade options for him.
There is no reason to drag this out any longer. Didn't the Favre fiasco teach them anything?
croatpackfan
February 12, 2023 at 10:52 am
Well, I have to say, if Mark Murphy had any authority on football operation at Favre time, ACR would never ever had a chance to play.
MM "we are not idiots" are idiotic chicken.
If ACR will be back and BG will not file resignation letter, I'll start to think he is the part of the gang, not only light there.
Btw, submissive MLF was once again humiliated in front of pretty large public from Aaron Rodgers. You may ask when and how. Well, one of the latest PMS Pat asked him what makes good coach and Aaron Rodgers was taking Rich Bisaccia and talked only about Rich. Ha?
Packerpasty
February 12, 2023 at 12:17 pm
yes I read that..doesnt say much for MLF...Rodgers saying Bisaccia is the kind of guy the players play hard for...but its true...MLF is soft not a fire up kind of guy..
EnemyTerritory
February 12, 2023 at 07:29 pm
“should have”. Not the same as did.
Savage57
February 12, 2023 at 10:20 am
The problem with Rodgers is that for whatever reason, his definition of 'all in' and everyone else's is different.
He thinks all-in means business as usual, but for the rest of the world, it's pull your head out of your selfish ass and start acting like you care more about Lombardi's than MVP awards and amateur golf trophies.
So done with the guy. Be more like Anchor Rodgers, not Aaron.
NickPerry
February 12, 2023 at 10:39 am
I'm sorry but people who downvote this comment haven't been paying attention. This comment is SO on the money!
MainePackFan
February 12, 2023 at 01:42 pm
Looking through the room, I surprised there were any downvotes. Not exactly an AR friendly crowd ;)
Savage57's comment is based on a completely subjective point of view. One that sums up how many in here feel. That's fine, we all are free to express our thoughts.
Nothing in his comment can be substantiated. It was his opinion. Fair enough. Not everyone agreed with what he said, hence he got a few downvotes. Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they haven't been paying attention.
Hematite
February 12, 2023 at 01:45 pm
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egbertsouse
February 12, 2023 at 10:36 am
He doesn't have a no-trade clause so just trade him if he doesn't retire. In fact, trade him conditionally right now. He plays, they get draft picks. He retires, they get nothing. What is so hard here? Why do they let this egomaniac hold them hostage year after year. What is wrong with these guys? Have they forgotten that they are the ones who are supposed to be in charge?
This franchise is an embarrassment. It needs a change from the top down. Yes, I know it will not happen. When Murphy steps down, Gute will be named team president. Whoever is in charge of getting coffee for Gute will become the GM. The groundskeeper will become CFO. A completely and totally in-bred organization living 20 years in the past and stuck in mediocrity.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 10:58 am
I personally like Gutekunst, and I think if he is being overruled that is one thing. However, if he is passively complying with Murphy he does not deserve to be a GM.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 12:50 pm
Other than his mishandling of the Rodgers situation, I think Gute has been impressive as GM -- but this mishandling of the Rodgers situation is no small matter, instead astoundingly huge.
If it's all on Murphy, I'm not sure what to make of Gute going along with it: heroic patience or gutless acquiescence?
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I can't get out of my mind Rodgers holding out enigmatically before the 2021 season and holding us hostage, dabbling as host of Jeopardy and vacationing in Hawaii with a starlet, seemingly oblivious to the sufferings of Packers fans from the scourge of COVID and the resulting harsh restrictions (both of which were widespread misery).
Then, on the eve of training camp, it seems Rodgers comes back as if doing everyone a favor. No remorse to teammates and fans, no saying he appreciates our allowing him to work out some personal matters.
No, it seems he tries to justify his selfishness by trashing the front office as cold and heartless toward players -- with little or nothing in the way of compelling evidence -- and this would seem to be most of all a reckless attack on the reputation of Brian Gutekunst, his professional competence and personal integrity.
Gute appears to not only take the insult without even an understatedly dignified resistance, but to actually cave to Rodgers, in effect validating his arrogant delusions of grandeur at mostly the expense of Gute.
It all seems so wrong, so groveling, so sickening -- and it's a kind of dysfunction that threatens the health of all the team for years to come.
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Maybe I'm missing something, maybe I'm missing a lot, but it sure seems as though all of the pampering and pandering to Rodgers is so horribly pathetic.
We tend not to realize how very fragile is any organization or grouping; but it's a stark lesson of history that even the very good things in this world tend to die from within due to insistent selfishness by the few and feeble compliance by the many.
The decline and fall of the Green Bay Packers is happening before us, even worse than in the 1950s, and we need a person of the caliber of Vince Lombard to return us to greatness.
At the least, we may hope that Gute is courageous enough to speak out against this travesty leading to tragedy, perhaps at the risk of his job but to the credit of his character.
I'm not saying it's easy. May God grant us all the grit to do the hard thing in such situations. I'm all for prudence, but may we not be lacking in bravery.
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How do other caring and loyal fans see it?
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 01:37 pm
Gute is either passively complying or wants to trade Rodgers but MLF, Murphy, and Ball outnumber him. That's what I think
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 04:49 pm
The problem with passive compliance is that too much for too long tends to lead to that being seen as facilitation.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 01:42 pm
"The decline and fall of the Green Bay Packers is happening before us, even worse than in the 1950s, and we need a person of the caliber of Vince Lombard to return us to greatness."
Really? After one 8-9 season? Geezus.
MainePackFan
February 12, 2023 at 01:55 pm
lol. Perfect 13.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 03:44 pm
The 1955 Green Bay Packers were 6-6, the 1958 Packers 1-10-1, utterly moribund, and perhaps in danger of being moved out of Green Bay.
Then came an unheralded assistant coach from the Giants named Vince Lombardi -- who loved his players genuinely, but would never let any of them push him around.
It would be unthinkable.
Integrity, and the dignity it confers, never goes out of style.
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I'd prefer not to wait until disaster strikes in the future, but to try to avoid it by changing course now.
To put it quaintly, but wisely, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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By the way, recently saw an historian on television who seemed to say that great nations tend to go bust after two centuries.
I think that included Rome, which seemingly lasted much longer; however, at the time of Caesar, it went from a noble republic to a repressive tyranny in which the emperor claimed to be a god, the family deteriorated, pornography was pervasive, and people amused themselves in the murderous arena of the gladiatorial games.
Though superficially attaining the height of its power in the first centuries A.D., it was just then plunging into the depths of personal misery -- which is the result of most of the people living mostly for themselves.
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We could use a lot more of the 1960s Packers in the America of the 2020s.
I think those Packers became America's team -- including to some amongst us at CHTV decades later -- not only because of what they did, but how they did it.
The Packers of the Lombardi Era were character and class from the heartland of America, players of various backgrounds coming together for shared glory.
They represented the best of America, and in turn lifted up America as an icon of its ideal -- to be emulated by all people of good will.
To be a great country, and continue as such, we must be an honorable noble country, most of all in the sense of being a good country.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 03:49 pm
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XS3YBV1/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_9?s...
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 04:30 pm
Packers record from 1950-1958:
3-9
3-9
6-6
2-9-1
4-8
6-6
4-8
3-9
1-10-1
You're actually comparing GB's current team to those teams? And, of course, the fall of the Roman Empire to boot...lol. Even for you Swisch, that's quite a stretch. I thought the "welcome to the 70's and 80's" crowd were the doom and gloom champions, but you've definitely taken it to another level.
You might want to duck. That falling sky could be rather painful.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 04:54 pm
In 1950, it seems a similar comment would have proved justified.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 05:03 pm
As much as Green Bays "dysfunctional" organization pains you to no end, and considering how much time you spend on this site, I'm guessing life is pretty much "glass half empty" for you. That's truly a shame. I mean that.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 06:01 pm
13TimeChamps, it seems you waste a lot of time on this site putting down people with snide and superficial remarks.
That's a shame, and it's up to you to make better use of your life.
So many of the comments here are about the frustration and sadness of our quarterback having a superiority complex to his own detriment, and those around him -- and maybe that's hitting a nerve with you.
It's not pleasant seeing someone who considers himself above it all heading for a hard fall -- although there are a lot of humble people in America who will still help him up.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 06:17 pm
"That's a shame, and it's up to you to make better use of your life."
You, of all people, are lecturing me on how to make a better use of my life? Seriously...lol
While you were fixated on the 60's Packers, I actually was defending my country in Vietnam. I was lucky to return and raise a wonderful family. Remind us of your lofty contributions.
Seriously, go fuck yourself.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 06:27 pm
Sorry, not letting this go. While you were reading a book about Lombardi, while myself, and at least one other poster on here, were spending our late teens, early 20s, in SE Asia, you get to tell me how to make better use of my life?
What reality do you live in?
Since'61
February 12, 2023 at 09:45 pm
Semper Fi brother! Thanks, Since '61
Yooper_Belle
February 13, 2023 at 05:13 am
It's amazing to see Boomers still obsessed with "defending our country" in Vietnam.
fthisJack
February 13, 2023 at 08:44 am
If you didn't live through it who are you to criticize my generation. 58,000 bros dead and more dying from AO every day..... for what? I'm ashamed that you call yourself a Yooper!
Since'61
February 13, 2023 at 08:49 am
Yooper- You can only make that comment because you have never served in the military and obviously you don't understand anything about Vietnam or the experience of those who were there. You clearly have no idea what it meant to volunteer to go.
When I speak about the Nam I don't speak for myself. I speak for those who were not fortunate enough to return and who no longer have a voice to speak for themselves. We're not obsessed with "defending our country" in Vietnam, which we did and we did it with distinction. But we will not leave anyone behind and therefore we still stand up for and stand with fallen comrades and their families. You can't understand that and in fact you should be grateful that you don't need to understand it.
However you should at least understand not to comment on something or the people that you know nothing about in such a deliberately condescending manner. If that comment is all that you have to offer then STFU.
Thanks, Since '61
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 05:49 pm
Those who refuse to see quibble with statistics and purposely miss the point.
In the bigger picture, the Packers of the 1950s had a storied history of six championships from 1929-1944, but were falling into irrelevancy and even oblivion.
Perhaps read the Lombardi quote I linked above, or read it again without smirking.
I wonder how many people in the old Roman Empire thought of it as indestructible, and failed to heed the signs of its demise.
All human endeavors tend to disintegration; it takes real integrity, real effort, real wisdom, to sustain a civilization, or even an organization.
Some of us would like the Packers to be 14TimeChamps before we leave this world.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 06:05 pm
"Some of us would like the Packers to be 14TimeChamps before we leave this world."
While I can think of a number of things I would like to see before I leave this world, the Packers winning another SB would be one of them, although I'm sure nowhere near in my top 10 as opposed to yours.
I hope for your sake and mental well being, I sincerely hope #14 happens in your lifetime.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 06:22 pm
Well, I would like to be watching the Super Bowl right now with a real rooting interest.
Even if I tune in tonight, it won't be nearly what it was in the days of yesteryear.
After all, 2010 is getting further and further away in the rear-view mirror.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 07:00 pm
What's it like living in "yesteryear"? Reading another book about Lombardi, or actually doing something to make this country better?
jannesbjornson
February 12, 2023 at 03:59 pm
End Times by the Bay...
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 04:13 pm
One season? Near a decade of organizational fumblings. Even this last twelve months has raised multiple questions on several levels.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 04:41 pm
Green Bay's regular season record during this decade of dysfunction? 100-60-2, making the playoffs 6 out of 10 seasons.
Some of the stuff posted on this site truly amazes me at times.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 05:00 pm
So that 10 years of Rodgers career was a success for this franchise? I do not agree at all.
13TimeChamps
February 12, 2023 at 05:12 pm
I'm sure you don't. And I'm also sure you feel that anything other than a Super Bowl is a wasted season. Rodgers had how many opportunities to win SB's and came up short? Let's blame the FO for that.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 06:06 pm
It's a real regret when we don't reach our potential, and a tragedy when we aren't striving to do whatever it takes to reach it in the future.
PhantomII
February 12, 2023 at 09:48 pm
It's a waste giving a prolific passer 1 quality WR (Adams) for 4 years. Then trading him off when he does not want to stay on our dysfunctional team and Gute does not even replace the 1-with another #1 WR, much less even a #2 WR or a good TE. Our season sucked because rediculous QB1 money and lack of urgency for 5 years to even furnish a good TE or WR#2. Watson will be a #1 WR but I don't know if he can be on the field as a possession WR to move the chains like DA was. We need more offensive weapons and right now we have A.Jones and sometimes Watson. Not building out a team with the very basic positions is a wasted season...and we've had a lot of them. I'm pretty tired of our team trotting out in the playoffs and NFCC game like they have been out clubbing all night instead of being prepared to play 4 quarters.
Heyward
February 12, 2023 at 02:18 pm
Gutekunst never should've taken the GM job after Murphy changed the organizational structure AFTER the interview. I don't see things improving until Murphy is forced to retire in a couple of years and the new guy cleans house.
Packerpasty
February 12, 2023 at 12:21 pm
""The question then becomes finding a trade partner for Rodgers. It needs to be a team he’s willing to play for. Even though he doesn’t have a no-trade clause, he made the 100-percent dead-on balls accurate observation last week with McAfee and company that no team for which he doesn’t want to play will be trading for him."" so they can't just ship him off to any old place..that team wouldn't trade for him anyway if he didn't want to play for them...he has a lot of say in the matter....
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 12:26 pm
They would trade for him if all picks they sent to the Packers were conditional, based on whether Rodgers plays or not.
The Packers can trade him wherever they want, and if he doesn't want to go there, they can just make all draft compensation in return conditional picks based on whether he plays or not. If he would really hate going to somewhere like Vegas or NY, he can just retire. The Packers have ways to get him off their hands.
croatpackfan
February 12, 2023 at 01:26 pm
Exactly.
Just, they'll need to smell very smelly diarrhea after that kind of divorce. MHO is that should be at first very unpleasant, but, by time most of the football community will find out who is ACR and everything will fall in the right place. And, that is not quite given, because his legacy with Packers will suffer. And I believe he is so "soft" at the moment because of that issue.
If he would not accept trade (I have little confidence in what he said about trading him!) Packers can cut him for the same price as if he'll accept trade.
2023 SC can be on spot when you are calculating his dead money (~40.3 mill $) plus Jordan Love cost for 2023. If they cut him there will be no other obligation to him.
I do not care how they will do that, just send him out of Packers roster before March, 15th 2023.
croatpackfan
February 12, 2023 at 01:26 pm
Exactly.
Just, they'll need to smell very smelly diarrhea after that kind of divorce. MHO is that should be at first very unpleasant, but, by time most of the football community will find out who is ACR and everything will fall in the right place. And, that is not quite given, because his legacy with Packers will suffer. And I believe he is so "soft" at the moment because of that issue.
If he would not accept trade (I have little confidence in what he said about trading him!) Packers can cut him for the same price as if he'll accept trade.
2023 SC can be on spot when you are calculating his dead money (~40.3 mill $) plus Jordan Love cost for 2023. If they cut him there will be no other obligation to him.
I do not care how they will do that, just send him out of Packers roster before March, 15th 2023.
pantz_bURp
February 12, 2023 at 10:39 am
"Knowledge is learning something every day. Wisdom is letting go of something every day"
Sorry, but I want #12 off the team personally. I am at a point where I don't care anymore if he retires or gets the Packers draft picks. My decision is based on his leading this team. The only leading he does is in the headlines. If he is as smart as others claim, he could make his feelings known without making it appear in print or the airwaves. Yes, he is that smart, right? What are his motives at this point, his demands? Do they make the Packers a better team or do they lean more towards his agenda? I don't know the answers, but when all these questions come up...does that tell you anything?
Ironically, maybe the writing is on the wall for #12. That is why he is choosing a dark retreat.
Don't coddle...now is the time for true leadership. Actually, it was at least a year ago. Give me a unified Packer team and less glitz and glamour around 1265, please.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 10:53 am
"Deciding he wants to move on doesn't make a ton of sense for Rodgers, a quarterback who has played every snap of his 18 year career in Green Bay. Does he really want to spend the final few years of his Hall of Fame career trying to refashion another team's offense to his particular preferences?"
This doesn't make sense. The Jets hired Nathaniel Hackett as their OC, under who Rodgers had some of the best seasons of his career. Not to mention Rodgers loves Hackett. IMO, the Jets are going to try and bring in players like Lazard and Tonyan to convince Rodgers to come.
What the Packers should have done is that they should have told Rodgers what they are going to do (hopefully rebuild), and trade him or force him to retire.
I do not trust Mark Murphy at all. If Rodgers returns, it will destroy our franchise financially and make us a bad team for the next 5 years. I don't see us being anything more than a fringe playoff team next year at best. These people are delusional if they think we can contend.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 04:08 pm
The Jets have apparently let it be known that they have made inquiries about Rodgers’ availability per Rappaport. The Packers are stalling supposedly.
NickPerry
February 12, 2023 at 10:54 am
Just what in the hell does "All In" look like AND mean for Rodgers? Bringing back Lewis and Cobb aren't "All In" moves IMO. They don't have the cash to bring in anyone who really moves the needle and keeping Joe Barry basically screwed them for a 20 place jump up in the Defensive rankings for 2023, so WHAT can the Packers do? I'm so sick of this All In... There isn't an all in move the Packers can make anymore. They tried that in in 2022 but the problem was they gave Rodgers most of the money.
Both the Packers organization AND Rodgers can come out of this looking okay. The Packers DON'T have the money to bring in 2 or 3 difference makers. It will be more draft picks, more waiting for them to develop and Rodgers can't wait any longer.
Trade Rodgers, let Doubs and Watson get another year. Draft another WR, TE, and Tackle and let them get acclimated. THEN, by 2024, 2025 this team is ready to compete again. Those who think Love is a bust have NO idea, just like I have no idea if he'll be great. But what I do know is what the Packers have been doing AIN'T WORKING.
What's the definition of insanity again...
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 11:05 am
Exactly. And because what the Packers have been doing hasn't been working, they need a salary cap reset and they need to change. But Mark "we're not stupid" Murphy sees it all different.
The leadership at all levels of this organization is purely embarrassing. If they make the decision to keep Rodgers, go all in, and screw our salary cap, they will all deserve what they get.
Hopefully, if that happens, Murphy is impeached by the board in 2024 and MLF and Gutekunst are sent packing. They will deserve it.
NickPerry
February 12, 2023 at 01:05 pm
"The leadership at all levels of this organization is purely embarrassing. If they make the decision to keep Rodgers, go all in, and screw our salary cap, they will all deserve what they get."
It IS embarrassing! Just the fact they could have the farm, barn, and a few of the animals LAST year and passed is bad enough. To screw the cap up in 2024 and beyond, get the same results in 2023, and the get absolutely NOTHING, well that would take it to new heights of embarrassment.
Those who know HOW the BOD is built in Green Bay and have commented are folks on this site whose opinions I value and respect. Like yours PackyCheese, Coldworld, dobber, and others who have said the BOD are all handpicked by Murphy. That in itself scares the crap out of me. I worry about the future then, not just until Murphy retires.
I'll tell you, the 20, 30, and even some of the early 40-year-olds here have NO IDEA what it FELT like to be a Packers fan in the 70's and 80's. Let me tell you...It SUCKED. Keep wishing for Rodgers to continue playing in Green Bay while Murphy instructs his puppets to fuck up the cap for the years following his retirement, and they may get a glimpse of what us old farts are talking about.
mbpacker
February 12, 2023 at 10:22 pm
To me " all in" means that Rodgers should be expected to participate in all team functions like; OTA's, all preseason practices, and training camp to work with whatever receivers are on the team. Also, get back to less hero ball and running the ball, hitting check downs rather than chucking it down the field, etc. This should be the expectation and if 12 doesn't agree than trade him for sure if he had wanted to come back that is.
4thand10
February 13, 2023 at 08:34 am
I also like a kicker that’s capable of kicking it out the back of the end zone…so another one of his buddies gone.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 11:05 am
I have no respect for this bunch. No ideas or vision and no courage just passive dependence on a player. Sorry, whether it’s right or wrong for the franchise that he returns, no leadership that abdicates that decision will bring a good outcome. If this is true, it’s pathetic.
It is really hard to be a fan of an organization “run” by Murphy. If they really believe that they can do it with Rodgers, what was last year, who else was culpable? There is no change happening. If he can do it, does his attitude matter? If you aren’t sure if it in the first place, doesn’t that tell you something is wrong in betting the massive stakes you put in place on his response?
Sorry, these guys are damning themselves with every utterance. I know of no other environment where this would be tolerated. I wouldn’t want to play for this team at the moment. That’s a good thing in football terms, but the ultimate expression of disgust from a diehard Packer fan.
CheesedDeadHead
February 12, 2023 at 01:53 pm
"Sorry, these guys are damning themselves with every utterance. "
The Packers brand and fan base is so large that even an executive who intentionally tried to damage the team would likely have minimal impact. In my books Murphy has been a problem from the day he decided to ignore the issues with Ted Thompson. I have lived with a person who has gone from a normal individual to full-blown dementia. YOU CAN'T MISS THE ISSUES. Since then we have an executive who has literally made the wrong decision at every step. Sure, put a CPA in charge of the football operations (Baal). Sure hire a wet behind the ears OC as head coach because you were strangely excited by your 15 minute interview. Create a reporting structure that anybody with experience in management would call a clusterfuck. Decide to extend a football octogenarian to a crippling contract to perform at a level no player has been able to attain at his age instead of trading that asset near it's peak value (another Hadl trade this time a no-trade where you keep the aging QB instead of going for a boatload of draft capitol). Then after witnessing the crap results in 2022, again dithering on the proper path. Mark "0 for ___" Murphy is an incompetent executive in every primary aspect of his job (who cares about a sled hill when you are managing a football team). The Packers will exist and thrive long after his epitaph of incompetence is written.
Bearmeat
February 12, 2023 at 11:33 am
The Green Bay Packers management and coaching staff have no balls and utterly deserve to lose for the next decade.
I take no joy in saying: "I told you so", but I will have some semblance of schadenfreude watching the team suck in the future - fan or not. Because that is what they've earned.
The 70s/80s are upon us and it was entirely avoidable.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 03:43 pm
If you want him to stay then come out and say it, but be prepared face the question of what then are the reasons for the visible failings last season that don’t require any change to fix?
If you want him to move, get some spine and say so. Packerdom isn’t going to hate you. This hiding behind him might get you despised, but most rational folk know keeping him is at least a gamble under our current realities.
To be honest, my increasing contempt comes from a combination of evidenced complacency after repeated mistakes and a preference for abdicating strategic control, which is, after all, really what they are paid for.
At this point the team should have decided what it is going to do and be putting things in place to achieve it. That shouldn’t be an either or depending on what one player decides and it shouldn’t be deferred pending that either.
I’m one who believes (and believed last year) that we should have traded Rodgers then. That the decision wasn’t, in our circumstances even a close one. That said, I’ve made it clear that the biggest problems that I saw this year weren’t if his making. The team seems content to not face up to those any more than it is willing to grasp the Rodgers issue. We aren’t broke as a team, but we have all the other hallmarks of organizational impotence of the sort hat defined the 70s and 80s.
Fire Mark Murphy. He’s genuinely earned it.
croatpackfan
February 13, 2023 at 02:06 am
I want to ask anyone here who is or was the owner of any kind of company: "Would you allow any employee of your company - not management - to have the right to decide what your company will looks like in the future while he is contemplating about his retirement?"
If yes, can you give us your reasons for that, please.
Leatherhead
February 12, 2023 at 11:38 am
You see acquiescence; I see adults cooperating
We’re not going back to the 70s and 80s. That’s nonsense.
Rodgers will be traded, Love will be our starter , and we’ll put a pretty good product on the field.
Bearmeat
February 12, 2023 at 11:46 am
LH - With respect, since 2020 finished with that detestable loss to the Bucs, what has ANYONE at 1265 shown you except cowardice?
Leatherhead
February 12, 2023 at 12:06 pm
I’m not seeing cowardice; I’m seeing highly paid adults working cooperatively to resolve a difficult situation. And it will be resolved, and the resolution might make people happy. I don’t get the gloom and doom— we’re about to trade Rodgers for a lot and we have his replacement ready. That sounds like a win to me.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 12:35 pm
You should market those glasses.
croatpackfan
February 12, 2023 at 01:29 pm
Coldworld, you just posted the similar post I was intended to.
Cookie for you.
Leatherhead
February 12, 2023 at 02:56 pm
You could use them.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 04:04 pm
Yes, to hell with reality!
Leatherhead
February 12, 2023 at 04:18 pm
Reality? We’re on a rock flying through space. People see what they want to see. That includes you, that includes me. Reality is that we’re 47-19 the last four years.
I think we’ll be good next year. You can quote me on that.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 05:08 pm
I blame the mice.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 13, 2023 at 12:19 am
While I admire your optimism LH, the team is clearly trending in the wrong direction and thats putting it lightly. Instead of getting younger and cheaper, were getting older and more expensive. And literally nobody involved in any capacity with this team has shown us they have any ambitions of changing anything. For the last 2 years, i thought they were just working Rodgers to buy time for Love to develop but now im convinced Murphy decided the company line is to just yield to Rodgers' every wish. As soon as Rodgers comes back, which he probably will, it will be immediately followed by a flurry of contract restructuring where they'll mortgage even more of the future for aging vets who couldnt get it done the last 4 years while trying to convince us the piss theyre serving is actually sweet milk. I know what sweet milk tastes like and this regurgitated garbage aint it.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 11:54 am
You do make a good point, now that I think about it, although I don't think the direction of the franchise should be determined by Rodgers' decision.
The Packers should present only two options for him: Trade or retire. If he doesn't want to be traded, then it isn't reasonable to think that he would be. That doesn't mean the Packers are obligated to keep him, though; they can force a trade with another team for conditional picks based on whether he plays or not (because of the absence of a no trade clause).
I have no confidence that this is what the FO will do, though
PackerGravy
February 12, 2023 at 12:08 pm
Me thinks the Packers are trying to do the right things as a business, for a HOF QB, for the fans. This is what the FO gets paid to do and i truly believe they are weighing all options.
It is not an easy decision but I have faith they will make the best decision possible.
🤞
croatpackfan
February 12, 2023 at 01:34 pm
When you have selfish person, trully narcisist and who beliefs he is God given for everything, you can not work with him. He does not listen to the arguments, because he knows better.
That has nothig in common with business...
MainePackFan
February 12, 2023 at 02:20 pm
Shame on you for supporting your team PackerGravy. As you can see by your downvotes, positive statements about the Packers organization (especially if you say HOF QB) are frowned upon here at "NeverRodgersTV " :)
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 02:44 pm
MPF, tell me, why do you support Rodgers? I have read your posts before and they seem reasonable, but do you really think we can go to a Super Bowl in 2023 with him? I am genuinely curious.
Also, I was one of the up voters for PG's post. I hope the FO will end up trading AR.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 04:26 pm
I was a down vote. I do not remotely believe that this organization is functioning as described and in far wider grounds than simply Rodgers’ extension/retention. I make no apologies for seeing such comments as the denial of truth based on blind faith alone. Only my opinion, but I’m not apologizing for calling it as I see it.
That said, it’s the subsequent post that I feel more strongly about and delighted to own vote. I find the assumed veneer of reasonableness to be imagined superiority masquerading and a weak substitute for argument as well as patronizing. So a down vote I’m happy to own.
MainePackFan
February 12, 2023 at 08:08 pm
" I find the assumed veneer of reasonableness to be imagined superiority masquerading and a weak substitute for argument as well as patronizing. So a down vote I’m happy to own."
Huh?... That was a delicious word salad CW :)
MainePackFan
February 12, 2023 at 07:42 pm
Packy. I support what AR has meant to this organization. I do not think he is what some in here post on a daily basis. Diva, selfish, chemtrailer and whatever other BS that gets posted here.
I do not blame "only him" on the failures of the past. I do not think last year defines who he is as an NFL QB going forward.
Do I think he is capable of leading the Packers to a Super Bowl? With the right supporting cast I absolutely do. Every part of this team last year was out of sync, not just Rodgers.
That being said, I will never understand the level of disdain exhibited in here for this man. He wants to finish a Packer. Over the years the man has given his all. Played through injuries, put this team on his shoulders. i think we should all agree on that.
It's fair to say with the cap situation and AR's age, let's move on and give Jordan Love a chance. That's an honest debate. I'm open to that . Unfortunately, what happens in here is anything but honest and open debate. Feel free to read back through the posts if you doubt what I am saying. GPG!!
Since'61
February 12, 2023 at 09:59 pm
Good post Maine Pack fan and I agree 100%. Not all of the Packers problems are Rodgers fault. Just the fact that the FO is willing to wait for Rodgers to make a decision tells me that they have no idea what direction they are taking the Packers. They're literally waiting for Rodgers to tell them what to do. How pathetic is that?
Rodger will get blamed for holding out again and causing misery for the fans. but yet it's OK for the FO to have no idea what needs to be done until Rodgers tells them. Whose fault is that? This situation makes less and less sense every day. For those fans who can't take this misery and being held hostage, you are doing it to yourselves. If it's that's bad move on to another team, another sport or some other pass time. It's ridiculous to feel misery over a team or sport that doesn't have any actual impact on your personal life.
GPG! Thanks, Since '61
MainePackFan
February 13, 2023 at 05:38 am
Well said '61!!
Coldworld
February 13, 2023 at 08:22 am
This situation was not created by Rodgers but by Mark Murphy and Russ Ball negotiating and agreeing the contract they did. That is now seemingly being exacerbated by how they are handling this off season.
Even if Rodgers departs, that’s just one facet addressed. It starts to heal the cap. It doesn’t address the coaching and culture directly. Even if Rodgers is part of that, he’s not responsible for a lot of what we have all found excruciating. It is, however, a necessary step to stabilization and forcing those other issues to the fore unmasked and thus to be addressed.
BirdDogUni
February 12, 2023 at 03:12 pm
Lol, I have faith they will make exactly the wrong decision, just like last year, doubling down on idiocy, and Joe Dingle Barry...
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 12:10 pm
Another season with the arrogant and domineering Rodgers would be so dreary as to be almost unendurable.
That our front office continues to pamper and pander to him is already almost sickening.
It seems our weird QB is dragging down the Packers to the brink of ruin on the field, and, even worse, the abyss of humiliation off the field.
It's a dark age in Green Bay.
***
After more than a half-century as a passionate Packers fan (including the 1970s and 1980s, most of that time living in Bears country) I'm beginning to think the unthinkable, whether I need a new hobby for a couple of years until Rodgers and Mark Murphy retire.
Winning isn't the only thing -- which is questionable with Rodgers, anyway -- but a certain integrity that comes from dedication to principles beyond ourselves.
I think Vince Lombardi would agree that even a Lombardi Trophy is too high a price to pay for the loss of dignity.
Packerpasty
February 12, 2023 at 12:21 pm
yes but without him Cheesehead TV will be boring as can be...until everyone turns on Love for having a poor game..
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 12:56 pm
I'll take the risk of boring -- and even hope that it will be much more exciting at CHTV to see a talented young team rally around a promising young quarterback in a quest for a Super Bowl, in an organization of integrity we can all again be proud of.
Hematite
February 12, 2023 at 01:55 pm
👍
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 01:46 pm
Oh, we can find new things to get into. Let’s face it, this franchise is currently well stocked with candidates for the issue du jour after Rodgers.
Alberta_Packer
February 12, 2023 at 05:13 pm
I must admit that I am a bit of soaps fan and other cheap dramas - so a part of me would miss the Rodgers Drama Hour. However, the greater part of me truly enjoys drafts, scouting reports, team building, management structures etc. So I am willing to sacrifice my short-term titillations for longer-term pleasures - to be shared with others.
Swisch
February 12, 2023 at 06:14 pm
Good stuff from Canada.
The soap operas of meaningless chatter and pointless action are all around us, but the stories of winners are few and far between, and much more satisfying.
Let the cautionary tales come from elsewhere, even as Green Bay returns to its stature as a paragon of winning ways on and off the field.
Alberta_Packer
February 12, 2023 at 12:24 pm
Trying to put the Rodgers "decision" in perspective - it took less time for Moses to receive the ten commandments.
TarynsEyes
February 12, 2023 at 12:26 pm
“Green Bay puts the ball firmly in Rodgers court”
LOL!!!
The ball has always been in Rodgers' court. The FO has always been waiting for Rodgers' to serve it back, which will likely be another ace for Rodgers and the FO and Coaching trailing. Rodgers is even serving Love-0 to Love, who doesn't even have a racket to play in the game, thanks to the FO.
Since'61
February 12, 2023 at 10:04 pm
Bingo!!! Cookie for Taryn. Thanks, Since '61
croatpackfan
February 13, 2023 at 02:13 am
"The ball has always been in Rodgers' court. The FO has always been waiting for Rodgers' to serve it back, which will likely be another ace for Rodgers and the FO and Coaching trailing."
I agree with your "assesment", but that just confirms how deep inside those who runs Green Bay Packers are true IDIOTS (you know IQ lower than 0.20 or 20 - depends how you'll express that qoutient).
Duneslick
February 12, 2023 at 12:33 pm
Here is an angle no one has thought about but would not surprise any one who knows rodgers. What if he gets into the negotiations of the trade and is able to reduce what GB gets for him or he wont go to the team. After all he is going to play for that team and wants them to have more talent, picks ETC ETC
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 01:41 pm
He does not have the power to ensure such a trade would happen because of his absence of a no trade clause
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 03:59 pm
Which is perhaps the oddest thing about that contract. It seems as if neither party anticipated anything other than huge success for both Rodgers and the team. Having negotiated major agreements for years, I have to say it screams mutual delusion to me. No sane negotiator doesn’t protect their position in the event of things not going to plan. It has occurred to me that Rodgers and Murphy may be the worst thing for each other.
GaryC
February 12, 2023 at 02:39 pm
Could be totally wrong but I really don’t think Rodger’s can be arsed with a trade and not sure he’s ready to stop playing. When you get ‘older’ you do crave familiarity and some semblance of routine - that’s not a lack of hunger or ambition it’s just a reality (or just me!). Going into a new team/environment/City and all that entails is a complete wrench. However I think it’s reasonably clear what needs to happen. That’s not to say when that day comes it won’t be sad.
stockholder
February 12, 2023 at 12:39 pm
Is that what's best for the Packers?
Let's Cross off the, "IS THAT".
AND put this in the win / Lost column.
Rodgers will win. The whole NFL knows that.
He has enough left in him.
Point: he still kept the packers in the playoff race.
Love can be a starter. So what. Anybody can start.
It's where you finish that counts.
And regardless what Love wants. Any QB can get hurt!
A starter is different from a Franchise QB.
And thats why I wouldn't pay Love.
The packers put everything, down the road.
Rodgers, Love, A roster full of cap problems.
But where's the franchise at?
While Gutey patched, the Eagles and KC reloaded.
The packers would give away their best players.
And thats the mistake.
Veterans know when a guy is drafted. (Bust /Help.)
Is Love one of their best players?
We never saw what Gutey saw.
But to let Gutey prove he's right.
Could wreck this franchise for years.
Blood ,sweat, Tears. Love isn't a franchise QB.
Love is the nightmare we expected after #4.
jannesbjornson
February 12, 2023 at 01:36 pm
Deep Thoughts:
pkrlvr says:
February 9, 2023 at 10:24 am
Goes to show you that just because someone looks like Pat Mahomes doesn’t mean they play like him.
There was a run on PM clones after he lit up the NFL and teams are now paying for their judgements.
Fields, Lance, and Love were all drafted at least partially for that reason imo.
dryzzt23 says:
February 9, 2023 at 10:05 am
The 49ers were warned before the draft, to not go after the media’s annual overhyped QB. In the 2021 NFL draft, the media overhyped Lance and the 49ers fell for it. In 2022, the media did the exact same thing to Malik Willis and NFL teams did not fall for it and Willis fell to the 3rd round. The 2020 NFL draft, the media’s fav QB was Jordan Love, and the Packers regret wasting that pick on him.In 2019, it was Kyler Murray, the Cardinals wish they hadn’t fell for the hype. In 2018, it was Lamar Jackson who was favored by the media. See a trend here? In 2023 the media is hyping Bryce Young…watch out Texans, do NOT fall for it!
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 01:45 pm
To put Jordan Love in that column is irresponsible when we've seen such little from him. What evidence do you have that the Packers regret drafting Love?
jannesbjornson
February 12, 2023 at 03:23 pm
These are random, Fan comments from across the blogosphere. I watched Love three years at Utah State in the Mountain West. I liked his deep out. These Fans bring up a point about group think, or herd mentality. I have presented a very reasonable argument for the brain trust to ponder. If Love is your guy, why isn't he starting year three? If he was worth the #1+#4 he better be on the field. The Fans whine constantly about One, passing play vs the 49rs. Tee Higgins would have made a difference as the #2 WR, just as he did in last season's and this year's Divisional and AFCCH games, setting the tone from Quarter one, onward. His extension and snatch for the TD on the high ball to the first pylon was an All Star highlight. The only regret of their decision to draft Love, I read in the eyes of "management," was when they Extended Rodgers. The sparks will fly next week.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 04:01 pm
Love hasn't started for 3 years because he was a very raw prospect coming out of college, and we already had one of the greatest to play the game in Rodgers who won 2 MVPs from 2020-2021. With Rodgers declining and Love ascending from all those years of learning, now seems like the perfect time to pass the torch.
Also, if you recall, on that passing play vs the 49ers, the reason everyone raised such a ruckus about it is because Lazard beat his man and was WIDE OPEN. If Lazard was Tee Higgins, same result - Rodgers' pass is broken up in double coverage. Another WR would not have changed much in the game.
jannesbjornson
February 12, 2023 at 04:24 pm
Watched that play over and over. Yes Lazard was open as the crosser, but there was no doubt the scheme was drive it deep and Hope for the snag or PI. I don't think they even considered the check down to be part of the design. The point of fan obsession is ludicrous. The Pack was up 10-3, could have been 14-3 , but fumble by Big Dog kills the drive. They Imploded with a blocked FG and had a Punt Blocked for a 49r TD. The D couldn't stop the 3rd and 8 to get the ball back for the offense. Key 3rd downs and Rodgers is sacked almost Immediately. Quite a few Mistakes had by ALL.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 13, 2023 at 12:30 am
The scheme is to throw it to the open guy.
barutanseijin
February 12, 2023 at 02:55 pm
The media hyped Aaron Rodgers plenty before the 2005 draft.
jannesbjornson
February 12, 2023 at 03:48 pm
Relevance? Rodgers was Projected to be the #one overall pick of the 2005 draft. His falling down the board was a blessing for Ted and following his Green Room banter, I could detect a shrewd sense of humor from the Aroj. Playing the Fans may be one of his Hobbies?
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 13, 2023 at 12:28 am
How do you know the Packers regret drafting Love? Love isnt the one crippling the salary cap and driving the team off the cliff. Love isnt the one holding this team hostage year after year. Love isnt the one whos been outplayed at home in season ending losses 3 fricken years in a row. Love is literally their only hope at fixing this mess, if they ever give him a chance.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 01:37 pm
“Rodgers will win”
When and with whom?
Not with these enablers
Not with this cap
Not with this “coach”
We’ve proved it time after time.
stockholder
February 12, 2023 at 05:24 pm
And not with Love.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 07:47 pm
Now that you have accepted that it won’t be with Rodgers, the next step is to accept that there has to be a Love before we do win.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 01:46 pm
"Love can be a starter. So what. Anybody can start.
It's where you finish that counts."
No matter what this is supposed to mean, the equivocation of the word "start" in these sentences is obvious.
barutanseijin
February 12, 2023 at 02:57 pm
It’s where you finish that counts.
Like 3rd in a weak division and out of the playoffs?
stockholder
February 12, 2023 at 05:25 pm
Yep- TEAM Gutey,
canadapacker
February 12, 2023 at 12:48 pm
Just read the PFT article by Florio - and I posted that the Florio Hate bug was back in business - Dont know why this guy has such a negative view - AR must have declined an interview request with him. Now one can not have a positive opinion of a guy but to spew such hate - I wonder? In any case we all know that AR is AR - some type of mind game guru in his own mind. I am not a fan of his more recent bs especially the Covid thingy that he did. But when a mike is in your face and when these click bait monsters ( aka sports reporters) are always trying to make mountains out of molehills and parse words into whatever they think. I think that AR likes to put things out there and sits back and does his little laugh like Muttley the dog from that old cartoon.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 12, 2023 at 01:30 pm
Mark Murphy and anyone else involved in the decisions are effectively committing organizational suicide. There's nothing else left to say.
canadapacker
February 12, 2023 at 02:02 pm
One needs to wait until the decisions need to happen - which is not on Super Sunday - it is not until the decisions NEED to be made. 5th year option May 1st. Free agency March 15th and meeting salary Cap same day. Now if Cobb and other " friends" of 12 are gone??????
Alberta_Packer
February 12, 2023 at 04:54 pm
"One needs to wait until the decisions need to happen." We're still waiting for the appropriate decisions from last year. Also late or non-decisions can be just as injurious as bad decisions.
ricky
February 12, 2023 at 02:01 pm
The Packers effectively turned the team over to Rodgers when they signed him to his present contract, rather than trading him to Denver. So, what choice do the Packers have? Effectively, Rodgers has a "no trade clause"; it's called retirement. If he would decide to hang them up, the Packers would have an extra $40 million in dead cap. They could spread it out over two years, but it would still be the same cap hit the team would take if they traded him. And if Rodgers was traded, they would get something back for him, rather than just the cap hit. The team should approach Rodgers, tell him that, like Favre, it is time for them to move on, and with all due respect, send him to a team that he would be willing to join. Otherwise, let him retire, take the cap hit, and move on.
PackyCheese500
February 12, 2023 at 02:42 pm
So what? As long as the Packers don't owe him anything in 2024 and beyond, I am fine with taking the 40 million this year
ricky
February 12, 2023 at 09:19 pm
The $40 million cap hit could also be spread out over two years. Bad, but better than taking it all in one year. Imagine how different things could have been had the Packers decided to re-sign Favre, get rid of Rodgers, and gone "all in" for another SB.
4thand10
February 13, 2023 at 08:38 am
They could do what other teams in the past have done yrs and yrs ago with an aging QB. No retirement…OK, ride the pine as a back up your last yr then. His ego would never allow it.
Tamps77
February 12, 2023 at 02:08 pm
The contract makes it obvious he has to be traded. Anything to the contrary in the media is simply a pr ploy
Heyward
February 12, 2023 at 02:10 pm
But he can't be traded unless he agrees to be traded. That's what makes the contract so onerous.
BirdDogUni
February 12, 2023 at 03:24 pm
That is incorrect. Packers can trade him to any team they wish. Nothing says AR12 will play, but to say he has to agree is a false statement.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 13, 2023 at 12:45 am
Youre missing the point. No team is going to agree to trade for him without assurances hes going to play for them. If they trade him to some scrub team he'll just retire. He may not have a no-trade clause but he effectively has all the power to dictate his outcome.
MooPack
February 12, 2023 at 02:38 pm
If Rodgers decides to retire or stay with the Packers, he's not as smart as people give him credit for. His legacy is what matters to him at this point. He has to go out a winner and not just another QB with mad skills that could not get the team back to the big show. The Jets give him that opportunity more than any other. For him to choose anything else would be bullheaded stupidity.
jannesbjornson
February 12, 2023 at 04:16 pm
Packertown,LLC. may want 2023 to be his swan song. They need the Legacy, future HOF, QB to be a Marketing Component, down the road. They cannot rely on the embezzler with the not so family-friendly dick pics to carry the G. There is more going on than what the eyes witness.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 05:17 pm
A couple of years ago that might have made sense. I don’t know that it will have that effect now. The football world has moved on.
Packers0808
February 12, 2023 at 02:44 pm
Goddamn just come out of the dark hole, house, mind and just decide!
barutanseijin
February 12, 2023 at 03:02 pm
Super Bowl Sunday with Rodgers sitting in the dark is a perfect time to announce that Love will start at QB next season
BirdDogUni
February 12, 2023 at 04:08 pm
The ball has been in AR12's court since Feb '11.
Advantage Rodgers. No doubt about it.
Since the Favre situation was managed so poorly, the last thing Murphy and Gutey want is to mismanage AR12.
(Well they've screwed it up so far.)
They are so scared of making a mistake, they're willing to allow AR12 to dictate whatever he wants to the Packers.
In my minds eye, I see AR12 at 1265, and him reenacting the scene in "Coming to America" where Eddie Murphy has the girl he's supposed to marry, jump up and down on one leg and bark like a dog... I can so see Murphy and Gutey doing the exact same thing to please AR12 and AR12 looks into the camera, just like Eddie Murphy.
AR12 has all the power. I don't think he's going to let Murphy or Gutey off the hook by saying publicly he wants a trade. I think he's going to force them to trade him. Much like Favre did before him.
Publicly, I think they may say whatever was decided was mutual, but I think AR12 is fine with knowing he has them over the proverbial barrel of scotch and will do whatever he tells them to do.
stockholder
February 12, 2023 at 05:12 pm
We're only 2 days away from Valentine's day.
And while everyone points to choice.
I'm going to point to Rodger's Love.
The Love of being a NFL football player.
The love of competition.
The Love to succeed.
The love to bond with teammates.
IMO Rodgers Loves the packers.
And would Love to come back.
Let's share that Love and pass it on.
Love can be blind. But Truthfully;
No player Loved the packers more.
Coldworld
February 12, 2023 at 05:20 pm
Sounds like an epitaph to a hero lost.
stockholder
February 12, 2023 at 05:48 pm
Your illusions are pathetic..
I see building all around Lambeau.
Instead of cemeteries or Tombstones.
I see life , Happiness, and pride in a team.
You only see failure.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 13, 2023 at 12:40 am
Rodgers loves the packers so much, he won 2 mvp's just to spite them then forced them into a salary cap crippling extension when his contract wasnt even up just so he could have more control. Yeah he loves this team alright. He loves this team like a man who abuses his wife.
Tundraboy
February 12, 2023 at 06:59 pm
I have this feeling he's going to want to stay. And I don't think I like it.
Ritzy
February 12, 2023 at 10:23 pm
After watching the Super Bowl qbs, the main reason I'd like Rodgers to be traded is how slow in the pocket he looks compared to Mahomes and Hurts. Aaron just is not up to the task physically anymore. When the legs go, you can't function in a modern offense. I'd urge Rodgers to retire but since he probably still wants to play, it's time to trade him and get something back.
Ritzy
February 12, 2023 at 10:23 pm
After watching the Super Bowl qbs, the main reason I'd like Rodgers to be traded is how slow in the pocket he looks compared to Mahomes and Hurts. Aaron just is not up to the task physically anymore. When the legs go, you can't function in a modern offense. I'd urge Rodgers to retire but since he probably still wants to play, it's time to trade him and get something back.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
February 13, 2023 at 12:35 am
What you also saw were two qb's expertly executing the offenses their coaches design for them. Mahomes wasnt out there playing heroball and throwing bombs all day even tho he obviously can do it. They won that game with scheme and execution. This team will never win with scheme because 12 wont allow the coach to shine, ever. The coach can only call plays 12 approves. Could you imagine Andy Reid having to shrink his playbook to appease Mahomes? Yeah me neither. The only way forward in Green Bay is by subtraction. Anything else is a bandaid on an arterial bleed.
SinceLombardi
February 13, 2023 at 05:10 am
Aaron Rodgers is well aware that the Packers aren’t even good enough to compete for the NFC North let alone a Super Bowl.
No matter the starting QB the Packers will still be coached by MLF and Joe Barry. Their biggest weapon is a WR with about five good games to his career and is easily injured.
There is no doubt in my mind he will be somewhere else. I still think the NYJ will be his destination. Miami may be in the mix and they just got a lot better with the addition of Vic Fangio ( image him running the Packers D?) The Raiders obviously have Davante . All three teams should have the ability to compensate GB well enough, considering this trade is a year late.
It’s going to be interesting to see how Matt LaFluer does without his coach on the field. It would be a pleasant surprise to see the Packers finish .500 with or without Rodgers
4thand10
February 13, 2023 at 09:02 am
LaFluer did just fine until this yr when coach Rodgers decided to take over the team. 13-3 a couple of times. Rodgers was one game away from a SB with green grass in front of him and still forced a throw rather than run it . That was all on ACR. In fact , that particular year they had bested both SB teams earlier in the year. LaFluer fixed special teams. They finally drafted more IDL. So what changed?? They got rid of his favorite toy and he was pissed and decided to stick it to management by playing hero ball instead of running it the majority of the year. He refused to play the system and that was obvious . He also didn’t want a possible deja vu moment by insisting on playing with a broken thumb and potentially getting unseated. That’s speculation, but he is a history buff.If Barry doesn’t fix things this year…he’ll be gone. They Get a TE, a fast slot WR an OL and maybe another DL. Another RB with potential they’ll be fine with out Rodgers.
Leatherhead
February 13, 2023 at 09:11 am
" the Packers aren’t even good enough to compete for the NFC North "
Yeah, that's bullshit. We have the best defense in the division, and plenty enough talent on offense to be better than the 3rd best offensive team.
canadapacker
February 13, 2023 at 10:44 am
I agree - but we know that it will take a year for Love to get settled behind center. It took AR his first year and of course they lost some games that they could have won that year. But this team has something that AR didnt have and that is a better defense. Love will have a chance for sure to make the team more than a last place team - but they whole issue rests on whether or not Lafleur is the Offensive guru or whether AR was the offensive guru behind Lafleur's 39-10 record his first 3 years.
Lphill
February 13, 2023 at 05:13 am
Stupid report , staying , trading or retiring, what great sports journalism
ReaganRulz
February 13, 2023 at 07:56 am
If he is traded, the team should not expect to see major windfalls of success in year one. Rodgers has proven that he has to fully trust his teammates before throwing them the ball. We’ve seen this over and over. Yes, trust is always needed, but not at the level of what Rodgers has demonstrated over the years.