Extra Cheese: Don't expect a Wolf/Highsmith/Green Bay reunion

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CAG123's picture

January 29, 2020 at 06:17 pm

Not that I have anything against Wolf or Highsmith but I must chuckle a bit at this lol they followed a guy like Dorsey to an organization like the Browns and now all three of them are out of a job smh. If the Texans had anyone with a brain in their FO they would hire one of them maybe even both because Bill O'Brian is completely clueless and is wasting Deshaun Watson.

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packerbackerjim's picture

January 29, 2020 at 06:56 pm

After the debacle against the Chiefs, Houston doubled down on O’Brien. One born every minute.

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CAG123's picture

January 29, 2020 at 07:16 pm

Hopefully they wise up before its too late I mean the guy has to create magic on the weekly basis for this team to win he threw a freaking TD while getting kicked in the eye for f*cks sake.

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Lphill's picture

January 29, 2020 at 05:51 pm

The Dolphins are in need of a front office overhaul.

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wildbill's picture

January 29, 2020 at 07:57 pm

You would think with Dorsey, Wolfe, and Highsmith having all those high end draft picks at Cleveland that was their chance to show what they were capable of. You can only pick who is available but results are what your graded on. I guess the allure of those draft choices outweighed the poor ownership of the Browns.

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HankScorpio's picture

January 29, 2020 at 08:14 pm

Lots of hot takes around these parts about how Highsmith and Wolf were making savvy career moves. They must have ignored Cleveland's overwhelming history as the NFL equivalent of the Pit of Despair. Obviously Highsmith and Wolf did, too. May they choose more wisely after the job hunt concludes.

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canadapacker's picture

January 29, 2020 at 09:20 pm

I see people on this site dumping on Bill OBrien - but if anybody off of the Bellchick tree has done quite well it has been him. Name another - Not Mangini, Crennel, Weis, McDaniels, Flores, Kingsbury, Vrabel (player with the Pats but coach under OBrien) and from Patricia's tenure with the Lions - he seems like a bust.

The Packers have had somewhat of a storied past as well - the Holmgren tree did quite well including Andy Reid - but after wearing out in Seattle - Holmgren was a failure in Cleveland. So was Dorsey but why did Reid kick him out of KC.

The Packers organization has lost a lot of good people under the TT era - did that effect the draft - Reggie Mack, Dorsey, Schneider and these guys as well as others. Who knows but some guys cant go elsewhere - but can they come back - dont think so but if you are good you are good. But sometimes things get old - like Holmgren, like Parcells in Dallas etc. Bet it is that way with Gruden in LV

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CAG123's picture

January 29, 2020 at 10:48 pm

Doesn't make him a good coach or explain him being made GM. The guy is supposed to be an offensive coach and hasn't coached a top ten unit yet. He's in a division ripe for the taking and has failed to really establish his team as the one to beat he's mostly won that division from being slightly less mediocre than everyone else. He's caught some lucky breaks in both his playoff wins and is one Carr injury from being 1-5 and some Watson magic mixed with some Josh Allen ineptitude from being 0-6. A more competent coach could get more out of this roster. Also Parcells didn't get old in Dallas they were improving every year and he turned Romo into a pro-bowler he retired because he couldn't work with JJ and his meddling ways.

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canadapacker's picture

January 30, 2020 at 03:12 am

Come on man - O'Brien's three division titles are tied for the most by any active head coach in their first five years and his 42 career victories stand as the most by any head coach in franchise history through their first five years. Under O'Brien (2014-19), the Texans are 32-2 when leading at halftime of a regular season game.

Nuff said - but if you want to hate you can hate - same as you are probably a generational hater and think that it was MM's fault that the Packers lost 3 playoff games - one to Seattle on the botched 2 point conversion and onside kick fiasco- one to Arizona ( when the D didnt stop in OT), and Farve's bad INT against the Giants.
I am not saying that MM didnt deserve to get fired at the end of his tenure but come on man.

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CAG123's picture

January 30, 2020 at 07:56 am

Was does MM have to do with this conversation? You didn't touch on anything Ive said but listed things that don't really prove his ability as a coach what about his lack of an offense? What about his negative point differential has a playoff team? His terrible clock management? His play calling or lack there of? If he didn't have Watson saving his bacon this team would finish 9-7 every year. He's a slightly better Jeff Fisher. This isn't hate its facts quit d*ck riding O'Brien and know the difference.

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canadapacker's picture

January 30, 2020 at 10:48 pm

You must really have a hate on for him - but you logic is really kind of dumb - Obrien is simply just a bad coach that only his quarterback is saving his bacon ???- There is not many people /organizations/coaches who are successful (winning record) over the longer term - 5 years or so ie if they dont have a QB. Except maybe a few Baltimore teams - but tell me would Dungy's record be so great if he didnt have P Manning - MM if he didnt have Favre and then AR, Bud Grant if he didnt have Fran - come on a winning record is a winning record and if people question not winning the big games and how they manage games that is one thing but when you are winning enough games to get into the dance - that is something that 25 or so teams wish that they could do more regularly - and if you are the Browns - maybe just once a decade or two.

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SterlingSharpe's picture

January 29, 2020 at 10:01 pm

Lotta luck involved.
Freddie Kitchens basically wasn't the right coach to handle those personalities in Cleveland.

Gutenkunst hit huge with the 3 defensive FA's. But his 2 drafts are, so far, a B- at best. Gary does have the potential to make it a lot better though.
But 3 WRs who were 100% worthless (check post-season stats), and a #12 overall pick who didn't make the team one bit better, a 2nd & 3rd round pick who don't play other than special teams, and that's subpar.

Jenkins is a hit and Savage is going to be a superstar if he stays healthy. He's not there yet, but it took Nick Collins a few years to become great. Darnell has that same ability.

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4thand1's picture

January 30, 2020 at 04:08 pm

Receivers are late round picks. I think Jake S will make some noise this year, he has a lot of grit.

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albert999's picture

January 29, 2020 at 10:36 pm

They picked the wrong coach that’s why they got canned with their coach

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dobber's picture

January 30, 2020 at 05:03 am

They might have been doing great work, but when the top guy goes (Dorsey) and they bring in someone new, frequently the new guy wants his own lieutenants.

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flackcatcher's picture

January 30, 2020 at 07:01 am

Owner loves analysis over the eye test. As long the number guys sit next to the crazy guy. Cleveland front office has no chance. This guy is Jerry Jones on steroids. The sad point is the Browns will have great draft position, which they will throw away on players not fit for whatever system they are running on both sides of the ball. I would not be surprised if Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith end up with the Texans. Owner took a pass after losing Gute to Green Bay and made clear that remaking the front office would be no.1 on his agenda after the season ended.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 30, 2020 at 06:36 am

I remember this time last year everyone was talking about how much better of an orangization Cleveland was then Green Bay. How much better of a coaching job Cleveland was then Green Bay. How Kitchens was going to do a better job then LaFLeur. How Cleveland was a favorite to go to the Super Bowl.

A lot has happened since then.

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dobber's picture

January 30, 2020 at 08:11 am

Yeah, we might see John Kirk and Dash resurfacing before too long to regale us with long stories that do nothing but tell everyone else that they aren't as smart as them and that embracing conspiracy theories is good.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 30, 2020 at 08:12 am

lol right.

I'm sure they will be back, but under different names.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 30, 2020 at 12:00 pm

Tray of cookies.

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Demon's picture

January 30, 2020 at 01:17 pm

Damn dobber, you beat me to that same idea.

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Houndog's picture

January 30, 2020 at 08:47 am

There's a lot of different colored glasses that can be looked through here, and none of us know the entire story.
From articles I've read over the years I've gotten the impression that Dorsey's personality made him not an easy guy to work with. People that knew him best had the best chance to succeed as they understood him and therefore didn't take things personal. Furthermore, Dorsey is a Ron Wolf disciple, and I strongly doubt Wolf would have sat back and watched his son make a huge career mistake, there had to be some communication there.
Another thing is Not-so Magic Mark's restructuring of the GB front office. Let's not forget that Ron Wolf turned down the Packers before they hired Tom Braatz in 1987 because they wouldn't give up full control over the football operations. Five years (and the same ol' $hit) later they realized their mistake and went and got Wolf. Thank you Bob Harlan.
On the Freddie Kitchens thing, does the name Ray Rhodes ring any bells? Wolf did the same with Rhodes as Dorsey did with Kitchens, one and done, The good managers admit their mistakes, and fix them fast.
Cleveland is a sinking ship torpedoed by it's ownership and business structure. Dorsey, Highsmith, and Wolf will all land on their feet.

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Archie's picture

January 30, 2020 at 12:01 pm

Dorsey did a helluva job in KC. He traded up for Mahomes etc. His big draft in CLE was lauded by most. So GB, KC and CLE all let him go, the last two fairly quickly. It would seem that he probably does not suffer fools well (a Ron Wolf trait). Will be interesting to see if he gets another chance. He seems to do better scouting players than HCs. Freddie Kitchens?!

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egbertsouse's picture

January 30, 2020 at 08:21 am

Sounds like old Ron is getting to be Lavar Ball. If you hire Eliot, you have to listen to the old man spout off. Not doing his career any good.

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Houndog's picture

January 30, 2020 at 08:52 am

egbert,
In actuality, I thought Wolf was more than gracious when the Packers chose Gutekunst over his son.
And then, I haven't read any articles about 'the old man' spouting off or interfering in any way with Elliot's employers. Maybe you could post a few links to your information sources.

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January 30, 2020 at 08:35 am

All I needed to see was Kitchens intro video to know that wasn't going to work out.

“I’m your new head coach, Freddie Kitchens. Let’s roll.”

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