Day 3 Recap: Packers 2020 Draft

The Packers bolsterd their offensive line on Day 3.

The hay is in the barn on the Packers 2020 draft class.

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Lphill's picture

April 25, 2020 at 08:57 pm

Runyan is Bhakteri’s replacement this is the new bargin basement Packers. Get ready for years futility, one Gute failed to fix the run defense in free agency , that was the signal it was over.

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PhantomII's picture

April 26, 2020 at 04:00 pm

Freeing up $$$ off the OL is the only logical move to spend new cap money from for the Defense. If that is what they do. Clark is young and due a new contract, King and both starting RB's. Adams contract next year. Cap was suppose to increase 40 mill next year but don't know how this pandemic stuff works out as far as the season yet??? Clark is the only one I would extend this year. Bahk contract due next year also. One thing pack never does is trade a good vet a year early for a high draft pick.

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JerseyAl's picture

April 26, 2020 at 04:21 pm

Which Sanitarium are you browsing the web from?

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Packerpasty's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:13 pm

I agree, no matter what the cheerleaders say, I doubt division championships much less a super bowl appearance in the next three or four years or more if Love in mediocre or worse...some teams went all in to help their QB (saints Vikings) Packers crapped on Rodgers...obvious LaFlower and Guts could care less about his last few years...

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ricky's picture

April 25, 2020 at 09:03 pm

No WR's taken in a draft that was considered extremely deep at that position. Add in that the Packers seem to need help at the position. Include them drafting a QB by moving up in the first round. What does it mean? That Rodgers time in Green Bay is fast coming to a close. At most, he'll be around for two more years. LaFleur and Gutekunst can say whatever they want. Actions speak louder than words, and their actions were clear.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:31 am

To miss out on a WR this year with their current WR room was epic level incompetence. Gute can spit out whatever BS he wants in the post-draft presser and he sure was shoveling it. I'm not buying. He messed up and messed up badly.

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Bure9620's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:32 am

Every team has played the Packers the same for years. Rush 4, drop 7. If you are a veteran QB trying to beat a 7 man zone, would you rather have a rookie WR, with no camp not knowing what he is doing? Or a 250 pound hammer and 3 headed rushing attack? Teams will not be able to play the Packers the same. A QBs best friend is a running game and protection. You seem to forget we added a vet WR in Funchess. Even if the Packers had taken a WR not named Jeudy, he would #4 on the depth chart with 2 WR sets.

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GVPacker's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:52 am

Great Post Bure9620! Your taking a thinking mans approach to what the Packer's GM and Coach did these past few days.

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Bure9620's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:07 pm

Thank you

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:35 am

"You seem to forget we added a vet WR in Funchess. Even if the Packers had taken a WR not named Jeudy, he would #4 on the depth chart with 2 WR sets."

Guess again, Kreskin. I just think Funchess sucks, along with MVS and Kumerow. And so does Gute. He may not say it. But the contract does. And that speaks louder than the BS he shovels in post draft pressers where he is trained to put on a happy face.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:01 am

My comp for Funchess is Jermichael Finley. That might not seem right (given that Finley did play in line some), but the hands, the size, and probably what they'll be asked to do seem to parallel. I expect Funchess to be a big slot in this offense a lot.

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Bure9620's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:05 am

Pretty good comparison dobber. I expect he splits time on the outside with Lazard. They may line him up in the "slot" on some occasions as he can block, good for WR screens.

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MWendlandt's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:12 pm

I was thinking Marques Colston a little bit, but Finley is also a solid comp.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:40 am

The scouts claimed there were four legitimate one picks at WR. Reagor going high to Philly screwed up the bottom of the first round. Aiyuk and Murray were the guys they probably targeted, but were jumped by the Chargers and Lynch. Round two WRs were nothing special. Shenault is an injury risk. They probably thought a guy would be there in round three, but the two best, Bowden and Edwards, were snatched with consecutive picks by Gruden. We all knew the Pack needed a power run game; too many 3 and outs on short yardage.
DeGuara is the guy you need on a team to work the flats out of the backfield or go FB in pass pro. LaFleur can iso the LB with him if they double A.Jones in a passing set up. The offense will be more fast-paced and Rodgers will thrive with more play-action. The three O linemen will upgrade the depth. Runyan can be a RT. He held his own against Young.

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Patrick's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:56 am

Our crop of receivers got us a good season, plus we signed 2 guys since. One guy that will be good is Reggie Begelton, mark my word, when you see him scoring, Alot!!

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Patrick's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:50 am

Keep on Eye on Reggie Begelton, WR signed by the Pack, under the radar, this guy is good.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

April 25, 2020 at 09:23 pm

Remember when everyone downvoted Leatherhead for saying run more pass less? Yeah...

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Bure9620's picture

April 25, 2020 at 10:08 pm

And me

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Samson's picture

April 25, 2020 at 10:21 pm

Running more is still not the bottom line answer. -- Any team has to be able to pass off of the run... In other words, you have to have an effective passing game, especially in a "one & done" playoff system.... Ask the Ravens. -- A fantastic running team through 16 regular season games only to fall behind to the Titans by 21-6 & then 28-6 in a one & done playoff game. --- As good as L. Jackson was in season 2019 he could not recover from the deficit in the most important game of the season for the Ravens.... He threw the ball 59 times & could only muster up 1 TD... His passing was ineffective.

Run the ball to set up the pass has always been a staple of NFL football... Even SB 1 & 2 were won with the passing of Starr.. I'm not sure there's ever been a strictly running team win a SB... Even the latest (KC) is not a running team & they're not an anomaly like some might like to say.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 25, 2020 at 11:17 pm

11 playoff teams were decent running teams. One was not. That’s an anomaly.

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Bure9620's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:34 am

How do you play a team dropping 7? Hammer them with rushing attack.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2020 at 12:19 pm

Baltimore was beaten by a team that ran more and passed less than they did. Baltimore had over 350 passing yards. Tennessee completed 8 passes. 8.

Green Bay, in the first two Super Bowls, won by passing less and running more than their opponents.

If your point is that you have to be able to complete some passes, then I’ll concede that. But it’s not more important than running and playing defense.

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MWendlandt's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:11 pm

And the Packers will do that. LaFleur is a Shanahan disciple, but it's more Mike than Kyle. He's building this team like Mike Shanahan did the Broncos during the late stages of Elway's career. Strong running game, solid tight end play, physical receivers who can go and get the ball.

The Packers will do a lot of zone runs with a very heavy dose of play action. Adams is the better version of Rod Smith, Lazard/Funchess/EQ more athletic versions of Ed McCaffrey. Sternberger they hope can be the Shannon Sharpe.

The options the offense will have in 2020 will be different than in the McCarthy era. Formations involving Jones, Dillon, Sternberger, Adams, and Deguara could be common. Mix in the other receivers, Tonyan, Lewis, Jamaal Williams, and Ervin and the versatility will be on display.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:24 pm

Passing efficiency on offense and defense are historically the best predictor of W/L. If you want a yardage driven number, Yd/pass attempt is a good. Attempts are worthless because they are often the effect of winning, not the cause. That doesn't mean passing efficiency is always on the side of the winner. Just that it is the best predictor among stats. Studies have been done. The mathematics are pretty open and shut.

Bart Starr won the first two SB MVPs. In total, 37 QBs or WR have won SB MVP. 7 RBs have. Talk about an anomaly!

Speaking of Starr, I believe he still holds the record for career postseason QB Rating at 104. Sure those teams were famous for an awesome defense and the Power Sweep. That Bart Starr was one of the most efficient playoff passers ever is no small part of that dynasty.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 25, 2020 at 11:15 pm

It was pretty obvious to me we were headed in that direction. We’ve had awesome passing offenses over the past 30 years, but only two trophies, and those came when we had top defenses (1996 and 2010).

We’re going to protect our QB and keep our defense off the field. I think it’s a better strategy than counting on the passing game to carry us for 20 weeks.

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packergal's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:52 am

Hello Leatherhead (a/k/a OS),

You took a beating on most posts by your "run more/pass less" comments.
I believe I read that refrain on 90% of your posts.

While I stayed out of the fray; I have to say it publicly now: YOU WERE CORRECT!!!

Therefore...look into your crystal ball again: "Is JL's profile a "run more/pass less QB" or...is JL more apt to accept the "run more/pass less play call from the HC"?

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:50 am

Thank you packergal. Here’s what my crystal ball says:

We’re going to be good this year. We’ll win the turnover battle and we’ll execute in the red zone. We’ll protect Rodgers and keep the defense off the field. As far as Rodgers, he’ll do a great job of protecting the ball and executing the offense and he’ll make some great throws when the game is on the line (like the throw to Lazard in the Detroit game).

As regards Love, if he develops the way Gutekunst thinks and hopes, he’ll be our starter in two years.....on a running team. Adams will be gone and we’ll be rebuilding the WR set. Running games work best if you have enough of a passing game to keep people honest and Love is certainly capable of being a guy who can provide that.

Pendulums swing. For the last couple of years, teams that can run and play defense have had more success than teams that just rely on their Hero QB and that’ll continue for a while and then the pendulum will swing back.

I look at it this way: Khalil Mack is a fantastic pass rusher, but against us, he’s going to be an overpaid run defender. Anthony Barr isn’t going to get a chance to end our season. These $12/million CBS are going to be guarding minimum wage receivers who are mauling them in the run game.

It’s a new day in Green Bay. All the downvoting and negativity is from people who don’t want to see that.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:11 am

Well, we're still downvoting him for that, but looks like Gute upvoted him. LOL. And Gute's vote is the only one that counts!

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albert999's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:24 am

And that is scary

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:46 am

Wondering if a trade scenario takes place down the road for a veteran WR with some speed? Maybe they thought Goodwin would be cut, but Lynch managed to trade him to Miami.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:02 am

The Packers were apparently among the early suitors for Goodwin in trade, but fell out of the rumors a couple weeks ago.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:07 am

Thanks for clearing that up.

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optimisticfan's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:38 am

Leatherhead,
I think some of the downvotes were due to the repetitiveness and frequency of “run more pass less” being thrown out there. Maybe instead try to “post that catch phrase less and expand on other ideas more” (like mentioning personnel looks they might use more often to run from or are extra runs likely going to be higher percentages inside or outside, zone runs etc?)

Leatherhead and Bure I appreciate differing opinions that is how people find consensus ideas

For my part I will try to “type less and listen/read more” as I can get long-winded ;)

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:08 am

I was trying to keep it simple so people like Samson would have a chance to understand something they didn’t want to accept. I could have expanded on it, but as a former teacher I always think it’s better to let people figure it out for themselves....if they want to.

The downvote feature is counterproductive to a discussion board. You don’t have to give a reason or make an argument....you just click a button. Some people, like Samson, have multiple accounts and they use this like a weapon against people they don’t like. Not ideas, posters. IMO, if you disagree with an idea, then explain why instead of just using a chickenshit downvote.

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Samson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 02:12 pm

OS doesn't like being downvoted... In his eyes he's right about everything. He doesn't appreciate me because I'm NOT afraid to challenge him & his "PFR Analytics"...
One account --- that's it... Samson. That's all it's ever been.

Now on to football --- Here's a repost, OS, for your scrutiny.

Anomaly or not.. KC is still the SB Champ.... You never did respond (for obvious reasons)... Who was the last team to lead the NFL in rushing & go on to win the SB? --- Has there ever been a team to lead the NFL in rushing & go on to win the SB?

There have been 50+ SBs ... Per your reasoning, all SB winners are then anomalies?? --- Makes no sense.... You're skipping past all the other factors that decide a winning NFL team.... (defense, special teams, coaching, schedule, injuries, etc.) --- Try again...OS.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2020 at 04:05 pm

No, stupid. If you disagree, I like to know why. Your chickenshit downvotes don’t do that.

To win the Super Bowl, you have to make the playoffs. And teams that run a lot make the playoffs, and teams that throw a lot don’t, generally speaking

And I don’t appreciate you because you’re a stupid asshole. It doesn’t get any more complicated than that.

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RickInCali's picture

April 25, 2020 at 09:32 pm

People are so myopic. Ok...Andy Reid takes like the 10th best RB in the first round. Why? Because he fits the system. We take a physical monster in the second, who fits exactly what LaFleur wants to do. Of course....the dopes in here are outraged.

Next - We have a mid-thirties QB who has missed time before and likes to hold the ball too long, despite being asked to be on-time in a relatively new system that he doesn’t exactly master at this point. Despite that....our coach leads us to a miracle 13-3 season and a playoff win. We don’t need a QB of the future? Uhhh...yes we do. Their futures are riding on that decision.....I expect they gave that a hell of a lot more thought and study than any of us.

WR? I think we needed one IF IT FELL THE RIGHT WAY. Point is it didn’t. Another point is that we’re not gonna be playing 5-wide with how they’re roster building. It seems pretty clear they want to play bigger personnel to take advantage of smaller defenses. The RB certainly shows that...the investment in the TE position shows that, and them standing pat with our stable of big WR’s shows that.

So now we’ll regress from 13-3 without benefit of a soft schedule and you’ll all point to that as a failure. I won’t. If they can get Rodgers to master the system this year and we control the clock, thus taking pressure off our D, then I will be satisfied. Go get us a quality run defender for our line, and I think this can happen. Or maybe Adams can actually play? Maybe Burks will play? We’ll see.

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Qoojo's picture

April 25, 2020 at 09:49 pm

Then don't forget about ESB coming back too.

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CheesyTex's picture

April 25, 2020 at 10:03 pm

Excellent, RickInCali.

I might add that Gute & Co. have a clear view of what will make the roster stronger by virtue of who they expect to make the "jump".

IMO Dillon and Deguara look like a great fit in MLF offense and should see a lot of playing time very quickly.

Now let's see how Gute fills out the roster this year.

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Bure9620's picture

April 25, 2020 at 10:10 pm

They will not even be in 3 wide much (11 personnel). The base is 12 personnel. 2 WR set.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:04 am

Last year, already, the Packers ran more 12 personnel (well above league average) than 11 (well below league average). With shifting fronts and variable personnel usage, I think the traditional grouping labels mean less and less.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 06:36 am

"If they can get Rodgers to master the system this year and we control the clock, thus taking pressure off our D, then I will be satisfied. "

The Packers were already 6th in TOP in 2019. They aren't likely to improve much on that. They were 8th in the league in points per possession. Even the defense, as we malign it, was pretty efficient in aggregate. When you're 13-3, most of the statistical analysis is going to go your way.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:20 am

I wrote something about fit a few minutes ago in Tim Backes wrap-up article.

Now, as to WR not falling the right way, that is probably so, but Gute took it to an extreme. For example, Peoples-Jones fell all the way to 187th. I didn't like Peoples-Jones, not in the 2nd or 3rd anyway because I didn't want another under-achieving player (see Montravius and Gary), but the 6th round, this guy is worth a flyer! Not sure why he fell, but unless he is a criminal or unmotivated, he has too much talent, is too good of a fit, and is too needed, to pass up.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:52 am

That commentary on DJP make a ton of sense. They would have had to use the Kamal Martin pick on him. Best case, which may be a remote possibility, he is everything they need. Worst case, they have blown a 5th that was used on a ILB of questionable pedigree.

For the people that just want to wail and scream that DJP sucks---I agree. He does. I would not have taken him in anything but an extreme circumstance and certainly not with a 1-4 rounder. But with no WRs added and him there in the 5th, extreme circumstance was engaged. It was General Stupidity to not take a chance that the reasons not to like him are wrong. Because there were reasons to like him. And the draft is a crapshoot.

Wolf used to always take chances on greatness in that manner with his late rounders. Most missed. Some hit. Like any late rounder.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:56 am

If they wanted a WR, it would have happened in round two and they would have selected a round three talent.
Dillon is a solid RB. I wanted to see Proche come on board, but no move up into the fourth round, nor a DT picked up?

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April 26, 2020 at 10:16 am

They definitely showed no signs of wanting a WR. Which was a mistake of firing level incompetence, in my book. It's a good thing for Gute that I don't get to make that decision. Because he's be looking for a job today if I did. And it's a pretty rough economy out there right now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:37 am

I have to agree with you on some of that stuff. Maybe Brandin Cooks was talked about, but his concussions can scare people off. I wanted Reagor who would have been a valid trade to #26, but Philly wanted to reclaim DeSean Jackson for their offense. The Lynch move was a bitter pill to swallow. The Wides in round two like Higgins and Pittman match profiles on the existing roster. Hamler and Shenault have injury histories. Mims is the question mark. Maybe they thought he would fall to them, but the Jets went WR, after going for Becton instead of choosing any of the top WRs in this draft. Jeudy, Lamb, Reagor and Jefferson were the only guys I would have bagged in round one, maybe Aiyuk?? The name of the game is move the chains, less three and outs. With Pettine's finesse defense they have to be kept off the field. No DTs taken in free agency nor the draft? Willis brought on board to revive his career.

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April 26, 2020 at 07:25 am

Good points rick....I’d add our 13-3 record also happened because we had few key injuries and won close games. I expect our team will make the playoffs and then who knows how far they go, but whether they match 13 wins or not won’t be my determining factor of grading their success for 2020.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:40 am

I'd be careful about throwing around the word "dopes" in front of that.

KC had the luxury of drafting a RB early because their passing game was in order. Mike Pettine said it very succinctly. It is easier to fly to the Lombardi than run to it. There is 30 years of NFL rule changes behind that. And a whole lot of on-field evidence to back it.

If you cannot pass, you cannot win. SF found that out the hard way. They were really good on defense and had a really solid run game. Much better in both areas than the Packers. Since their QB stinks, they were no better in the pass, despite a heavy investment in weapons. So they suffered the same fate. They were left in the dust when KC put the pedal down in the SB, just like the Packers the round before.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:04 am

Belichick won his last two SBs with a short passing game with a White and Edelman focus and a strong TE.
Their defense was aggressive. When he had deep speed with Cooks and Cordarrell he traded or let them move on. The KC superbowl was fast strikes by Reid, but their defense got them the 3 and outs when they needed them. I'm more concerned about the Pettine defense.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 12:55 pm

"Belichick won ..."

That's the important part there. If you can clone him, you're onto something. Because you cannot clone what he does. Plenty of teams have tried. His coaching tree has many branches but most are dead or dying.

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Bure9620's picture

April 26, 2020 at 01:04 pm

The formula is take care of the football, win the turnover battle, be efficient in the red zone, keep their offense out of the end zone and great special teams. Blocking, tackling, and run the ball.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:40 pm

That's more like a set of goals. Goals that every single team knows. Achieving those goals is the trick.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:14 am

KC trailed at the start of the 4th quarter. If SF doesn’t fold, this entire narrative crumbles. The vast, overwhelming majority of playoff teams were good on the ground and KC was an anomaly.

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Samson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 02:35 pm

Anomaly or not.. KC is still the SB Champ.... You never did respond (for obvious reasons)... Who was the last team to lead the NFL in rushing & go on to win the SB? --- Has there ever been a team to lead the NFL in rushing & go on to win the SB?

There have been 50+ SBs ... Per your reasoning, all SB winners are then anomalies?? --- Makes no sense.... You're skipping past all the other factors that decide a winning NFL team.... (defense, special teams, coaching, schedule, injuries, etc.)

Your approach is myopic (lacking imagination, foresight, or intellectual insight)..... The 'whole picture' approach will help you to understand where you fall short. ---- Try again... OS.

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stockholder's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:49 am

If they can get Rodgers to master the system this year ???? Rodgers has been shown the door. He doesn't have to master anything! He's a professional that CAN PLAY ANYWHERE! The Honey moon is over!

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optimisticfan's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:06 am

I highly doubt they move on from Rodgers before 2-3 years. Even if Love lives up to his promise, he needs at least 2 years to develop. Rodgers is a team guy who respects his coaches but also plays for his teammates around him. He will likely try to stay (mostly) in the system though obviously his tendency to improvise will still come out some. He publicly last year spoke of supporting running more and trying to play within the new system. I don’t think that there are going to be huge tensions (some constructive discussions between Rodgers and MLF on ideas during offensive installations yes). Click bait articles about “how will Rodgers take this”, “will he accept being a mentor”, and “will Rodgers buy into MLFs scheme changes” are building up a conflict bigger than it is.

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Since'61's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:15 am

I agree that Rodgers will work with the system but his days in GB are numbered. It is just a matter of how the Packers handle it.

I think the Packers want to get through 2020 with Rodgers. Love needs at least one season of watching and learning. The Packers also need this draft class to have a season of NFL development. Dillon is the only pick who might be able to contribute this season. The rest, who actually make the team, will see limited numbers of snaps unless the Packers have an injury plague.

Also, players like Gary, Alexander, Savage, King, Green, Jenkins, ESB, MVS, Sternberger and others need to step up to another level of play. We still don’t know what we have with many of our 2nd and 3rd year players. We’ll find out if we have a 2020 season.

Assuming that we play in 2020, 2021 will likely be the season that the Packers move on Rodgers assuming Love shows that he could be the next franchise QBs. Why? Because this regime wants their guys and their system. They want to clear out what is left of the TT/MM era, including Rodgers.
Why pay Rodgers all that money to throw 12-15 passes per game? Why resign Adams in a run first offense? Love will happy to hand off the ball and throw a limited # of passes just to have the chance to play. Plus he costs a lot less than Rodgers. With Rodgers moved either via trade or release there will be cap space to fill in the gaps needed to “complete” the team.

Also waiting to 2022 or 2023 to move out Rodgers means 2-3 years of waiting for Love to develop so we’re talking 2025-26 before Love is ready to lead an SB run. Move Rodgers in 2021 and maybe the Packers get on track for a run in 2023/24.

So Rodgers will deal with it but the Packers will make their move in 2021 unless Love is not progressing. If Rodgers gets injured, even a minor injury causing him to miss game time in 2021 and he’s done. New regimes want their guys. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:44 am

Rodgers is a guy that will play through his contract barring injury. If Love does pick up the pieces it may come down to a Garappollo moment and you have value in return for the guy. Hassellbach and Brooks rendered some picks when Favre endured. The earliest Rodgers bails is in 4 years.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:08 am

Rodgers contract will make it very difficult to keep him more than two years.

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stockholder's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:26 am

If he's gets to make his own deal. He will take less.

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Since'61's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:13 pm

I agree Leatherhead. The only way I see Rodgers sticking beyond 2 years is if Love doesn’t progress as expected or if Love has a significant injury or health issue.

The Packers will want to free up the cap space as soon as they can and still get some decent picks in a trade for Rodgers. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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April 26, 2020 at 03:59 pm

If I was a GM looking to dump a legend like Rodgers in two years, I'd want to frustrate Rodgers into wanting out. Getting the fanbase to believe he is in decline would not be a bad move either. Starving Rodgers of viable pass catcher would move toward both goals.

That would certainly be a wacky conspiracy theory that fits the facts of this ridiculous draft. Good thing I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I think the explanation is more likely to be simple incompetence.

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April 25, 2020 at 09:50 pm

Still concerned about RT, but nice to see all those OL picks.

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April 26, 2020 at 09:52 am

Seconded.

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April 25, 2020 at 10:54 pm

I feel like people really over-estimate the impact most drafted receivers could have had? There were a couple of top-tier receivers this year that were both athletic marvels and showed the ability to run an NFL-level route tree. Otherwise it takes 2-3 years to adapt. Jordy Nelson said it took until his 3rd year to be able to play fast without thinking about the calls, and obviously Adams took 3 years to hit his stride. So if we couldn't get high enough to snag one of those upper-tier receivers, how does it help us "win now" to draft a promising receiver that won't be productive for years? For winning now we're much more likely to get a jump from our receivers hitting their 3rd years now (MVS, EQ) who know the system, and/or veteran signings (like Funchess).

Now, if you want to complain that we should have drafted a higher-level receiver a few years ago...I agree! But I don't think our not drafting a receiver this year says anything about whether or not we are in win-now mode.

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pack1487's picture

April 25, 2020 at 11:59 pm

If your drafting a QB in round 1 who most likely play until year 3 at the earliest, why not draft a WR to pair with him if it takes 2-3 years for a WR to "adapt"?

Best case scenario, WR "adapts" early and could help out the current starting QB. Just a thought

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April 26, 2020 at 12:54 am

Clearly Gutey thinks Love is the QB of the future, which if true is worth more than half a dozen receivers. I have no idea if he's right - honestly I was hoping for Queen to shore up the middle of our defense. Drafting QBs is its own special issue, and I don't have a useful opinion either way on Love. All I'm saying is that if the WRs that could help us this year were already gone by the time we picked in the 1st round (and they were) then the lack of a WR in our draft does not in and of itself say anything about whether we are in win now mode.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:59 am

My thinking was that this would be the opportunity to find the next really good WR so that when Adams' contract runs out after 2021, the Packers had options as to whether to commit to a 29-year-old WR or let him walk knowing what they had developing behind him.

As it stands, it probably makes sense to extend Adams now to keep him in-house and to create a little cap room for 2020 and 2021.

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April 26, 2020 at 05:19 pm

I think it would be wise to see if a season happens in 2020 first before extending/restructuring any contracts. If no season or severely limited season, 2020 could be a year to sink money when restructuring contracts to open cap space for 2021 and beyond. But yes extend/resign Adams at some point in the next yr. Also would there be cuts in 2020 of lesser players and 2021 FAs that they are not going to resign just to save “dead” money if no season?

I hope all this doesn’t happen and it is more likely that a shortened season happens but no contract changes until closer to the season.

If you had to choose between signing/extending 3 of these 6 players in 2021 who would you choose?:
Bahk, Linsley, Clark, Adams, Jones, King

GB could use Clark’s 5th yr option then resign him, wait on extending Adams but eventually resign him in the fall sometime, and sign Jones or King after next yr’s draft depending on whether they draft a quality cover corner replacement or receiving RB (and also would need a cheaper vet FA/waiver wire player RB while the draftee learns)

Seems draft priorities next yr for day 1-2 picks might be:
OT, WR, cover CB, RB
Assuming they have resigned Clark and signed some FA other DL or DL players developed
But who knows how any of the current developing players are going to turn out right?

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April 26, 2020 at 07:33 am

Screw this year. What happens in near future when Adams rides off into the sunset? It's getting closer. Is it really a good idea to ask Jordan Love to succeed with the talent they have without Adams? To me, that's setting him up to fail.

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April 26, 2020 at 10:07 am

I made it to ottscay's comment above before getting to yours.

As I said, they're probably forced now to extend Adams by a couple years.

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April 26, 2020 at 12:51 pm

I'm not worried about the contract angle. I'm concerned about what happens when he cannot play anymore. Remember in 2015 when Jordy blew out his knee in preseason? They stunk all year because Adams was not ready, Cobb was banged up all year and they had nobody else. And Adams is working on year 7 next. He may have 2 more years in him or he may have 8. It's different with each guy. But they need to be ready when it happens. They were not ready for it happening to Jordy and they are still trying to recover.

They're playing with fire by having him as their only legit WR. It's going to burn them unless they stop playing with fire. This draft was a fire extinguisher. Gute said "no thanks:

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April 26, 2020 at 11:29 am

He's gone!

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April 28, 2020 at 07:19 am

Packers lead the league in most consecutive drafts without taking a wr in first 3 rounds at 5 years, 2015 Ty Montgomery. They also lead the NFL with most consecutive years without taking a wr in round 1, 18 years, 2002 Javon Walker

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April 25, 2020 at 11:08 pm

Pack sign OG Zack Johnson NDSU as UDFA. Watch film of him. He dominates lesser competition, but very strong in even their championship series. Reminds me of Adam Timmerman. Coach him up!

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April 25, 2020 at 11:29 pm

a few final thoughts to share:

1) Now that the draft is over, it's 100% clear that they executed their plan and that BG and MLF viewed the personnel as a poor fit last year.

2) I REALLY wanted a dynamic WR for AR; but I understand the rationale- Why draft 3 WR when you're playing "12" all day?

3) I, for one, am dreading watching the Tennessee offense come to GB. Am hoping that MLF has a bit more dynamic wrinkles in mind to make it more fun to watch...

4) loved our 6th round, but shocked we didn't grab an OT earlier. Banking an awful lot on Wagner to hold up.

5) I suspect we'll be seeing FA activity pretty soon for DL.

6) I have every expectation AR will be an excellent mentor... he recalls Favre and how he felt. Also, am guessing he's betting on himself that can do whatBrady did to Jimmy G through high level play.

7). BG really loves the guys on roster, am hoping it's because he took an internal/external conparison to the rookies.

And finally...

I don't understand the fans who were saying this is giving up on the season? If anything, they drafted two starters in the first three rounds who will play immediately this year in the system they want to implement to get to the super bowl. And counting on AR12 to still be able to sling it when it counts, just not 50/game

Disappointed, hopeful, intrigued, angry, trusting ..

it's a great day to be a fan.

GO PACK GO!

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 05:49 am

"3) I, for one, am dreading watching the Tennessee offense come to GB. Am hoping that MLF has a bit more dynamic wrinkles in mind to make it more fun to watch..."

If you like watching the Badgers steamroll opponents...this will not quite be that. But there's something very satisfying about watching a team you like methodically take another team apart.

"5) I suspect we'll be seeing FA activity pretty soon for DL."

I think this is a must. Players will be coming available by trade or post-draft cuts. Packers need to manufacture a little cap room.

"6) I have every expectation AR will be an excellent mentor... he recalls Favre and how he felt. Also, am guessing he's betting on himself that can do whatBrady did to Jimmy G through high level play."

He's smart enough to know he has a brand he will want to take advantage of after football. He won't do anything to damage his brand.

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marpag1's picture

April 26, 2020 at 06:10 am

"...there's something very satisfying about watching a team you like methodically take another team apart."

Yup. Just ask the Niner fans who watched the NFC championship game...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:36 am

35 WRs were selected, including 16 by the end of the 3rd, and 2 more in the 4th, and 8 more in the 5th.

All lot of them are going to make their team (probably all of the 1st - 4th rounders. I expect some teams will cut name WRs in favor of rookies either due to talent or cap issues.

I agree that GB needs to find DL help. 9 DEs taken in the first 3 rounds. 9 DT also in the first three rounds. Not as promising since teams have 3 or 4 starters for DL (and need some rotational guys to keep the bigs fresh) whereas WRs have 2.5 starters and play the bulk of the snaps each game.

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MWendlandt's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:26 pm

Still some solid veteran DL out there, and not just Snacks. Brandon Mebane, Corey Liuget, Domato Peko, and of course Everson Griffin.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:55 am

But, Im not a Titans fan...

Im gonna hate that game...

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:13 am

I love Badgers football. I remember being chastised by John Kirk because he said it was too boring to watch. I love lining it up and knocking opponents off the ball. Admittedly, the Badgers are frequently doing this against lesser opponents. That said, I don't think the Packers become a team that will throw 15 times per game or less.

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marpag1's picture

April 26, 2020 at 02:24 pm

Hey Dobber, do you remember November 16, 2003?

One of my most memorable Packer games ever. The GB/TB game BEFORE this one was the game when Warren Sapp nearly ended Clifton's life with a cheap shot. But this game was mostly a defensive struggle. Late in the 3rd quarter, the Packers take over on their own 3. The score is tied 13-13, and mild mannered Mike Sherman is still breathing fire from his postgame confrontation with Sapp one year earlier. So Sherman calls together his offense and dials up a 97 yard, 17-play, 12-run, 9 minute and 42 second humiliation of a touchdown drive that ultimately traveled directly over the crushed and shattered bones of Warren Sapp.

It was glorious. Glorious, I say.

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The_Justicar's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:27 am

What two starters? I would not expect a single player from this draft to start a single game this year.

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optimisticfan's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:44 am

Dillon will probably start as a complimentary back by mid season. He will be used in 21 personnel looks where they start with Jones in the backfield and then pre-snap shift Jones out to the slot or do some sweeps. Or at least start against lesser competitive teams. If they are moving on from Williams (likely) they need Dillon to gain significant in game experience this year. But you are right that obviously Love and Deguara are not going to see much playing time (hopefully). Just knocked on some wood.

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April 26, 2020 at 09:45 am

If I was betting right now, my money is on Dillon getting more touches than Jones in 2020. While Jones is a primary weapon, I don't necessarily think it is a bad thing.

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Packerpasty's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:17 pm

another guy who assumes all the draft choices are going to play and play well next season...every one of them was a reach in the round they were taken...but according to you guys, the Rb will crank out the yardage all year and probably be an all pro like Henry, the TE is just an awesome beast who will shred defenses when not being an all pro blocking back, on and on...sorry but I don't like the way they crapped on Rodgers...

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jh9's picture

April 26, 2020 at 05:50 am

Day 1 - Bad timing
Day 2 - Bad value
Day 3 - Table scraps

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Since'61's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:29 am

Good summary. Although I think Runyon can evolve into a solid OL. Thanks, Since ‘61

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jh9's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:57 am

And one could make a meal out of table scraps. However, you're still eating table scraps.

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justjan's picture

April 26, 2020 at 02:36 pm

Again. Two days ago you said you are done with the pack. Why do you keep posting< Georgiacheesehead?

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Ovent1965's picture

April 26, 2020 at 01:17 am

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Flow49's picture

April 26, 2020 at 12:27 pm

Hank, most of the criticism is based on the Packers being one game away from the Super Bowl and not getting Rodgers help now.

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April 26, 2020 at 03:21 am

Not sure many of the WR’s we could have had at 30 or 26 would have been year one contributors. And the rest were pretty much gone by 62. Queen would have been interesting but we all new that wasn’t happening... hopefully Love is the right guy in 3 to 5 years.

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April 26, 2020 at 08:00 am

If your standard for drafting a player is year one contribution, you'd probably trade every pick for veterans and just sit out the draft. Rounds 1-7 will not contribute much in year 1 as a general rule. There are exceptions, of course. But very few hit the NFL as a ready-contributors. By passing on WR again, the Packers have delayed the develop curve they will face starting next year---if they come to their senses next year and start to add weapons for Jordan Love.

That was their BS excuse for not drafting one this year. They didn't want to halt that investment with Lazard, MVS, ESB and Kumerow and start over with someone else. It was a bunch of BS. Kumerow is long past a developmental stage and MVS was benched by them. They had some clown in the WR room whose name escapes me that they never even let suit up. So there was room to begin that process with someone. But they had to put a brave face on their epic screw up.

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April 26, 2020 at 10:24 am

Their only trading partner in round one would have been NOLA @ #24. They probably wanted more than Gutedkunst was willing to give up for Aiyuk. Mims was the only other guy with low 1-2 rd grade and apparently some feel he's a guy that needs to learn the route tree and has drops. Everyone was claiming BPA @ #30. With Murray and Aiyuk taken he went with the second best QB in the draft. He obviously stated his desire to trade down to the second round all the way to #40, but no takers.

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April 26, 2020 at 07:15 pm

I just read Ian Rapoport report that said the Packer had lined up a trade with Seattle at 27. Seattle had no fallback offers for a trade back, as evidenced by the fact they did make the pick. Rapoport also said he know of no attempt by Indy to jump up for Love. So Gute was bidding against himself. He had his pre-conceived notion that he had to move up for Love when he really didn't. He made the move up anyways, even when the board was screaming at him to stay patient and get his guy. It's like he saw a pair of shoes for $75 and said he'd pay $100.

And it cost him the ammo he needed to jump up for the last of the elite WRs when Mims slid to 59, just 3 picks away from the Packers. Or even Duvernay, who went 2 picks ahead of the Packers in the 3rd.

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Harold Drake's picture

April 26, 2020 at 06:51 am

Virtually every major sports network and media sports desk is slaughtering the Packers' draft. Perhaps the outside world is delusional when it comes to ridiculing the decision to draft Love et al instead of a WR and ILB with our top picks. Perhaps Gutekunst has divine foresight or is about to sign or trade for an elite wideout. Or... maybe we have the wrong man as GM and this draft is an absolute bust.

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murf7777's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:37 am

And maybe we have the right man and he proves out to be a genius!

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Bure9620's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:04 am

Maybe they know it is fantastic click bait to make assessments, overwhelming positive or negative about players that have not stepped on the field yet......

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Since&#039;61's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:18 pm

Harold - The pundits are usually wrong on the front end in terms of who gets picked and where they go. Then they are usually wrong on which teams have good drafts and which teams don’t.

Then the pundits are usually wrong on who makes the playoffs and who wins the SB. For example I don’t think anyone picked the Packers to go 13-3 and make it to the NFCCG in 2019. I haven’t paid attention to any of them for decades. They are airheads trying to create ratings. They could care less about being accurate or realistic.

As for the Packers draft, I don’t know much about any of their selections. From what I have seen and read so far I think Dillon can contribute in 2020. As for the rest we will see what we have in this class in 2021 and 2022.

The message here is that the Packers are restructuring their offense to run the ball more effectively. In 2 seasons we’ll know if this draft class is helping the Packers achieve that goal. If not, we’ll probably be starting over with a new GM and HC. Stay well. Thanks, Since ‘61

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fastmoving's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:55 am

There is clearly no need for WR. We have enough one who can play. Love was the best pick at that spot.
This draft could be turn out great in the rear mirror.

Normally the experts all bad but if they write (if they do???) we had a worse draft, they know the future???

Noting to cry about, but if you want feel free to do it. You will always find something

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tincada's picture

April 26, 2020 at 07:59 am

I nearly fell out of bed when I heard the #1 was a QB and then actually fell out when #2 was a RB. I've been bitching about a lack of a running game since last years draft. Will be an interesting to see how AR responds.

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Lphill's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:23 am

Not one player drafted that can play this season , no way to sugarcoat this draft, almost every pick was taken too early , starting caliber like Patrick Queen passed up , most of the Packers competition got better , we are looking if lucky at a 5 or 6 win team .

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Dzehren's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:49 am

2 of the first 3 picks will be playing half the snaps.
Your ILB buddy from the Minnesota Gophers will also be playing meaningful snaps in sub packages In the Goodson role.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:20 am

We lose track of the fact that Curtis Bolton was all set to start at ILB last season before he mashed up his knee at the end of camp. Packers then went and got Goodson. We've not seen him play meaningful snaps...but maybe they really like Bolton.

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April 26, 2020 at 10:53 am

I'm curious to see if Bolton comes back 100%. Watching him at Oklahoma, I see a guy no different than Queen and definitely more instinctive than Queen. Martin made plays for Gopher and Barber is the other guy coming through next year.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:43 pm

GB waived-injured Bolton. They could have just put him directly on IR. Instead, no one claimed Bolton and he reverted to IR anyway.

I don't know, but I thought it odd at the time. Certainly led me to believe they didn't like Bolton as much as the fans did. Oh well, it is Spring, so hope can spring eternal.

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ReaganRulz's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:23 am

The impact of this virus stuff may totally upend the contributions that the majority of rookies make this year. Their practice time will probably be limited along with many other normal preparations. So the reality is, most of these rookies are gonna be much more limited this year compared to a normal non-virus environment. I see this as positive since the Packers had a pretty decent core team last year and they’ll be playing in the 2nd year of a new coaches system.

So yes......we needed some help from the draft, but we still have a lot of good talent to build off of.

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fthisJack's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:27 am

You have to remember they lost more than they gained in FA!

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April 26, 2020 at 08:25 am

I think Gute sacrificed the next 3 years by drafting the QB of the future( which is not guaranteed). They were one game away from the SB and got blown out in the Championship game getting beat like a drum on the ground. Did they do anything to fix that and get better...no. Did they add another weapon for our Hall of Fame QB....no. What did they accomplish? They sure as hell disrespected their QB and lost ground in their quest for a SB. And you all thought TT was bad....this draft will go down as one of the worst in Packer history.

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clarity007's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:33 am

How does a team sacrafice 3 years because of one pick?

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:27 am

"And you all thought TT was bad....this draft will go down as one of the worst in Packer history."

I disagree, in the sense that drafts are usually measured by how many starters they produce. A lot of these guys are going to play...maybe not so much in 2020, but down the road.

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Patrick's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:53 am

Like I say, keep and eye on Reggie Begelton, WR, he is good, remember, I told you when you see him scoring alot!

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Patrick's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:01 am

Keep an eye on Reggie Begelton, signed under the radar, He will be good, and when you see him catching every pass that comes to him, and then scoring, remember that Patrick told you!!

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April 26, 2020 at 08:54 am

What if there isn't a season? Gute will look smart because AR will be another year older and there won't be a QB with tape coming out of college next year. If AR gets injured and misses time and Love actually wins a game or 2, then his draft grade moves up to an A. Also I think we have 3 WR's that will have a lot of success. Adams, Funchess, Lazard. Also Jace S makes a year 2 jump. Safeties will have to come to the line and the passing game opens up. I wouldn't want to be todays small LBer and have a 250 RB coming at me with a full head of steam. The Pack should have a great running attack with AR eating em up with play action. We may all look dumb for all the pissing and moaning. I hope we look like total mental cases by the end of the year.

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egbertsouse's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:58 am

OK, I get it. They are getting players that fit La Fleur’s ground-and-pound type offense. But why have a $35 mil QB handing the ball off 40 times a game? They rushed to extend Rodgers then got a coach with a system that doesn’t fit his style. That seems a bit dysfunctional.

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April 26, 2020 at 11:00 am

60/40 passing to run ration should still be the norm. Rodgers isn't going away despite the panic room crowd trying to figure out their fantasy draft boards. I expect a trade for another defensive guy for the D line.

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blacke00's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:04 am

Oh stop it!

Get a grip!

We won't know how good this draft class will be for 2-3 years.

La Fleur's comments were exactly right. If you weren't going to get one of the elite WR, it will take 2-3 years for most young WRs to come around. Those are the facts whether you want to agree or not. You have to give your current stable of guys time to come around. Plus this team is not going to be a constant 5 wide-out schemes. This team is changing. Get with it.

The RB will be contributing bar injury, I guarantee it.

Runyan could be the real sleeper based on his pedigree. I would love to see him at right guard or if we're really lucky right tackle.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:16 am

C'mon folks, get a grip. All of those pundits out there base their opinions on the games they've watched and the same resources that we amateurs rely on. You know what they don't base their comments on? Knowledge of what happens during NFL team practices. Interviews and personal workouts of prospects. Future scheme plans of coaches.
To whit: almost none of the pundits have mentioned Devin Funchess, Equanimious St. Brown, or Reggie Begelton in their lamenting. All three of those guys are likely to be superior to all but the top two round WRs of this draft. Begelton was the top WR in the Canadian league last year, and Funchess was a second round pick who is still very young and has already made GREAT plays in the NFL.
What about OT? Who, other than the Packer coaches, knows how good Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, and Gerhard de Beer have been looking? Maybe the staff thinks one of them is better than the 2nd-and-later picks this year.
What we DO know is that Gute and LaFleur are perfectly aware of the importance of their draft choices, and they felt Love, Dillon, and Deguara were the best choices. I will always say "Here's who I would have picked" but I'll ALSO always say "but the coaches/managers know way more than I do."

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Tabin's picture

April 26, 2020 at 04:27 pm

I know de Beer is not good enough because is nt in the team anymore

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:48 pm

ESB, Begelton and Lazard will be better than all but the top two WRs.

I will have whatever it is that you're having.

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ImaPayne's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:17 am

Everything they did makes sence if you view their mindset from a cheap ball standpoint. I once read an interesting quip by a well known Milwaukee Sports writer when asked why the Packers dont do to a 4 3. It said DE's the good ones and you need several costs to much.
You get the good ones in the early draft and they want bucoo bucks for their services.
The packers figured a 3 4 using cheaper linebackers to rush the QB was a cost saving play and you can get them in any round.

Looking at what the Pack did, they are going to a run game. One, if it keeps the other teams offense off the field thats good. 2. If your receivers are so so, not the high priced expensive early picks, you dont have to rely on them as much.

If your own d backs are so so, late round inexpensive picks, they stay off the field a lot because your tying up the clock.
TShus, you build and o line to run block not pass block, and you load up on running backs. Hence cheap ball. You make a ton of money for the owners.

This is the only rational explanation. Its all about trying to make the most benjamins.

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MITM's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:04 am

Your point about not playing a 43 goes out the window when you realize that we are literally paying 2 guys that rush the passer (like a defensive end does) top dollar anyway.

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 26, 2020 at 12:38 pm

If the Packers are so cheap, why do they have so little left against the cap?

And GB doesn't have an owner.

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dobber's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:30 am

Most of the money arguments go out the window given the Packers are a not-for-profit that operates firmly in the black year after year.

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clarity007's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:36 am

Ok. what would have been your first 4 picks?

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4thand1's picture

April 26, 2020 at 09:44 am

president, GM, coach, scouts.

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MITM's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:59 am

Brian Gutekunst is a GM and nobody in here ever has been or ever will be. The guy "knows" football. The problem with saying that is this - there are plenty of other guys that "know" football - guys that WERE also former GMs that WON SBs from a front office, and players who are now Hall of Famers with SB rings - who forgot more about the game than Gutekunst will ever know, saying you did a BS job with this draft.

When all of those people combined are telling you you did a shit job - you probably did a shit job - at the very least from a 'who was picked where' / value standpoint.

Point is...If ALL of your friends and family are telling you she's cheating on you - she most likely is.

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Slim11's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:43 am

I like both your observations.

Your last point...they were and she was!

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MWendlandt's picture

April 26, 2020 at 04:07 pm

Maybe, but there are also Hall of Fame GMs who said that the reigning MVP couldn't play quarterback as well. For some of these guys, there's a reason why they're in the media and in a front office anymore.

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SteelyPhil's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:15 am

Change is hard. If there's anything we've learned from this draft, it's that Gute and MLF have a specific plan to transition GB into a different kind of team than they have been in years past. Rodgers doesn't likely finish out his career in GB, barring a major injury, and that's very sad.

One thing that seems a bit weird to me, though, is the strategy behind picking Jordan Love if the rest of the scheme now and into the future seems to be ground 'n pound? If he's the next coming of Patrick Mahomes, why not invest in the air offensive? WRs take years to develop and our current corp just doesn't have the speed and talent of, say, KC's roster. You don't need a superstar QB to hand the ball off 50 times.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 26, 2020 at 10:22 am

That's a real puzzler, isn't it?

Trade up for a QB then spend the next day making sure he's de-emphasized by the run game.

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Patrick's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:06 am

Have some faith in our team! Everyone is down on the Pack, did you know that they signed a guy named Reggie Begelton, WR, around the first of the year, under the radar, I have good reason to Believe that this guy will good!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 26, 2020 at 01:57 pm

Living in Calgary - I've seen Begelton for the last 2 years. He's a strong and smart WR who knows how to get open - with YAC ability. He's not a burner - but he's not slow. I fully expect him to make the Packers this year, and, contribute.

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Slim11's picture

April 26, 2020 at 11:39 am

There's a lot to digest here.

#1. Jordan Love...I don't mind the fact he was drafted as the heir apparent, but would have been happier if he was taken at #30 than spending a #4 to move up. For the past 2-3 seasons, I've said the Packers need to prepare for the day Rodgers calls it a career. Should the Packers win another SB with Rodgers, I won't be one bit surprised if he retires then and there.

#2. AJ Dillon...say goodbye to Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones after this season. This choice is sensible given the direction the Packers are going and salary cap issues and the number of free agents after the 2020 season, David Bahktiari among them.

#3. Josiah Deguara...I think we may see 10 WRs/TEs on the roster. Following this season, Marcedes Lewis will likely be gone.

#4. GONE!

#5. Kamal Martin...Maybe! Is he better than Oren Burks and Ty Summers?

#6. Jon Runyan/Jake Hanson & Simon Stepaniak...the Packers have had some success with linemen in later rounds. From what I've read elsewhere, Stepaniak might be PUP all next season so he was really a future choice for 2021. Drafting Hanson might mean Corey Linsley will be allowed to test free agency.

#7. Vernon Scott & Jonathan Garvin...I am not all that high on TCU and Gary Patterson products. Andy Dalton and Marshall Newhouse are all products of a TCU offense. Spare the LaDanian Tomlinson argument...he only played one year for Patterson at TCU and Patterson was the DC at TCU before becoming the HC which was Tomlinon's last season. Garvin...JAG?

Not taking a WR was not their best decision. I believe they're depending too much on MVS making a big leap in his third year. I've seen some of Begelton's tape from the CFL. My biggest concern is him adjusting to the smaller NFL field and the different in-motion rules. Kumerow didn't show enough last season. At best, he's #6 and MIGHT make the team.

At LB, I honestly forgot about Curtis Bolton. Burks might be too injury prone and Summers remains unproven.

I've seen one post draft grade at D. That is generous at the moment. I do see potential for this draft being as high as B+ but time will will always tell.

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leche's picture

April 26, 2020 at 03:10 pm

There's a lot to unpack here...

1. I completely disagree on preparing for post-Rodgers right now. The odds of us winning a Super Bowl with Rodgers took a massive blow from this weekend's draft, and the pick to get Love is the biggest contributor. We could have used it to make the team better now; which would have improved Super Bowl odds, but instead we punted on it for the future which doesn't help us. Sure an Eagles situation COULD happen. But the odds are so far against if that's what you're banking on, you're just doing it all wrong

2. Running backs are a dime a dozen. Jones was a 5th round pick. Williams was a 4th round pick. Unless Dillon is going to be a long term bellcow who is happy to be underpaid, there's just no value here. RBs can be plug and played constantly without it really changing a ton.

3. Agreed on Lewis being gone but Deguara is an undersized block-first TE. I don't hate the decision or the pick but it probably isn't my preference either

4. If this was given up to get us Patrick Queen, I'm very happy. Since it was used to get us Love, it just hurts a little bit more. But overall it's irrelevant relative to the cost of wasting first round pick on Love in the first place

5. Seems fine all things considered but should have been addressed earlier and then this pick can be used on whatever RB or WR we find most acceptable

6. Any of these picks is fine. All 3 being linemen is overkill

7. At best these guys are special teamers anyway. I would have gone a different direction but I don't really care.

This draft is a massive F in my book, and it's unlikely to ever change, even if Love is the next GOAT. We seemed to have punted on too much of the now for the later, and given the current state of the team that's just a massive mistake in evaluation.

Going into last draft, I wanted us to start focusing more short term as Rodgers career winds down, and then we drafted Rashan Gary for who knows what reason (other than Gute is very Al Davis-like and is obsessed with pure athleticism even if the player has little football skill), but I could accept looking longer term last year. This needed to be the first year we start pushing chips into the middle to win now... And we just didn't. And it's massively disappointing.

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AgrippaLII's picture

April 26, 2020 at 12:16 pm

IMO...Gutekunst jumping the gun and trading up in the first round instead of waiting for his man to drop to him at #30 set off an unfortunate series of events. I have no problem with the players he drafted...just the rounds he took them in. Had he not given up that fourth round pick I think he would've taken his RB and TE a round later than he did. Trading up in those rounds to get his guy if necessary. My takeaway from the 2020 draft is I'll always wonder who Gute passed on by trading away that fourth round pick. I like what Gutekunst has done for the Packers so far. I think he will come away with some lessons learned from the 2020 draft.

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Crazedcamel's picture

April 26, 2020 at 06:00 pm

The Gary pick the year before had harsher consequences, forcing an impatient Gutekunst to trade both 4th rounders in addition to his 30 for Savage. Gute has excelled at squandering draft capital.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

April 26, 2020 at 01:49 pm

I wish I was as sure about one thing as many people seem to be about everything. The reality is that the actual results of this draft will not be known for months or even years from now. Anything prior to that time is pure speculation. Nevertheless I applaud Gutekunst and LaFleur for their design-build approach for re-structuring the team - especially the offence. It makes for a most interesting year ahead of us.

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Packfangirl's picture

April 26, 2020 at 08:41 pm

I really had a hard time when Aaron took over from Brett.. but my dad (rest in peace) always reminded me that time marches on whether I'm ready or not.. I hate thinking of the Packers without Rogers.. But that time is inevitable.. Another thing my dad always said is A strong run game Always opens up the pass game. I'm hoping that's the case here. I remember Wes Hod saying he was most excited to see how EQ advanced last year.. Then the injury... Maybe our receivers are deeper than we realize. That's my hope anyways ...Im so not remotely a football guru... Just a loyal fan. I'm really optimistic we can go far this year!!! Always an optimistic person!! GO Pack GO!!! Stay healthy everyone! Pack Fan Girl

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