Cory's Corner: Tough Decisions For Brian Gutekunst

Davante Adams is the best receiver in football — again. What does that mean going forward for the Packers?

The Packers have no choice but to pay him. 

Through five games, Davante Adams leads the league in yards (579), receptions (42) and targets (61) while being Green Bay’s offensive fuel.

If Adams wants to reset the wide receiver market, Aaron Rodgers has gone to every one of Adams’ Ted Talks. Rodgers has thrown to Adams on 38 percent of the team’s targets as Adams has continually punished both zone and man-to-man coverage. 

But it’s not just that Adams is getting the ball, but when and how he’s getting it. Adams is fourth in the league with eight third down catches and he’s sixth in the league with five catches of 25 yards or more. 

​​“He’s got people draped all over him and it doesn’t matter,” said Green Bay coach Matt LaFleur after beating Cincinnati last week. “He finds a way to do it every time.”

And that’s the amazing part. Everyone in the stadium, heck everyone on the planet, knows that Rodgers is going to Adams in the crunchiest of crunch times and yet No. 17 still manages to shake his defender(s) and make a great catch. 

The only question is, does Adams roll the dice and wait to see if Rodgers comes back or does he just go out and try to get the best deal wherever that may be? 

Adams is third in the league this season with a cap hit of $16.7 million, which is behind Dallas’ Amari Cooper ($22 million) and Chicago’s Allen Robinson ($17.9 million). Next year, Arizona’s DeAndre Hopkins leads the way with a $25 million cap hit followed by New Orleans’ Michael Thomas ($24.7 million).

If Adams continues on this torrid pace, he will command north of $26 million. That’s a huge number — especially if Rodgers stays at his 2022 cap hit of $46.1 million. 

The argument could be made that if the Packers give Adams a blank check, perhaps that would behoove Rodgers to stay and take a cheaper deal. I mean, this is the eighth season that Rodgers and Adams have been together and it would be a shame to see that amazing duo split up. 

Adams leads the league in first downs with 28. That’s a huge stat. One of the first ways that quarterbacks are measured is if they can move the chains. Picking up a third-and-7 in the second half of a game you’re trailing in says a lot. The reason Rodgers has been so successful on third down is because of Adams. The next Packers receiver that has the most first downs is none other than Randall Cobb with nine. 

So what does Adams think about the future?

“I’m just catching balls now and just having fun,” Adams said after registering a career-high 206 receiving yards at Cincinnati. “I’m not really thinking about that. That’s typically how it goes, but that’s not really my main focus when I’m out there.”

So Adams may be focused on the present, but the Packers better be thinking about what’s next. Adams is the best receiver in the NFL and Rodgers is going to make sure Adams gets what he’s worth. 

The Packers are caught between a rock and a hard place. The toughest question that general manager Brian Gutekunst has to ask himself is, “Can Adams still put those numbers up with Jordan Love at quarterback?” I don’t think anyone knows the answer to that because we haven’t seen enough of Love and what we have seen was in the preseason, which is still a lot left to question because many notable players throughout the league never play.

The NFL is about acquiring the best talent. If the Packers are able to sign Adams, they have to sign him simply because he’s the best player at his position. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Rossonero's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:03 am

My main concern is that DeAndre Hopkins contract of $27M per year for 2 years. That was a crazy contract the Cardinals gave him (and because they have a QB on a rookie contract they could afford it), but unfortunately set the bar -- I think -- too high for the Packers to re-sign Adams.

Now, it's no secret that Adams wants to stay with Rodgers and Rodgers wants to stay with Adams. It's a symbiotic relationship and they feed off each other's greatness.

The problem is, I don't see any indication that either one would be willing to take a pay cut. As Corey mentioned, Rodgers would have to stay and take a cheaper deal. When has he ever done that?

So let's say for a minute the Packers want to bring both of them back...the question becomes, who should be cut or traded to alleviate some of the cap pressures?

Z'Darius Smith comes to mind. He'll be 30 and coming off a back injury and in the final year of his deal. He has a $28M cap hit in 2022 and a $12.3M dead money hit. There is no way he's going to play under that contract for the Packers....especially if they get a full season of watching Rashan Gary play -- who's far cheaper right now, but will need to get paid at some point himself.

The reality is, this team is similar to the Saints (from the past few years when they had Brees) -- where we've pushed all our chips to the table and kicked the can down the road on the salary cap. I like how Gutekunst is all-in, but the only way to get our salary cap position healthy again is to trade Rodgers and sell high after this season. If he's traded before June 1, the Packers would save $19.2M. If he's traded after June 1, they save $27M. That's hard to argue with.

That might also mean letting Adams walk and get paid a mega deal elsewhere....and get a 2nd rd comp pick for the money he'll command.

At a certain point, the music stops and the party's over. For now, I'm going to sit back and enjoy Adams' wearing green and gold, but I wouldn't count on the Packers giving a 3rd contract to a guy who might not have Rodgers throwing to him next season.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

October 16, 2021 at 10:50 am

Rossonero, a second round pick for Adams seems too low and unfortunately the highest comp pick the NFL awards is a third round pick.

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Rossonero's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:17 am

Thanks for mentioning that Ferrari Driver. I agree with you that a 3rd rounder feels completely inadequate.

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ivo610's picture

October 16, 2021 at 07:00 am

Are we not able to tag him for 1-2 years? If he would rather play on the tag then so be it.

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CoryJennerjohn's picture

October 16, 2021 at 07:15 am

The tag is available, but whenever a player gets tagged, the relationship between the team and him is usually toast.

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blacke00's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:00 am

There is a point in time when "you" just have to say no.

Adams's numbers look the way they do because of Rodgers (their 'special relationship "). There is just not enough money for everyone and Packer fans have to understand and get use to it.

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PatrickGB's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:28 am

And the Tag would not be cheap. 19+ million that’s hard to roll into another contract.

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CoachDino's picture

October 17, 2021 at 04:57 am

its alot less than 27

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CoachDino's picture

October 17, 2021 at 05:15 am

true, but whats that mean? he isnt going to sign a long term deal with gb? but he is still going to give 100%as in his best interest for 2023 fa. cant ateam ft aguy twice? if he leaves or holds is the same for thepack, so why not if da forces the packers hand. id keep him, pay him over 25 for 4years with an out after 3. hes special, peaking and the cap limit goes way up in 2023.

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Michael Nault's picture

October 18, 2021 at 11:36 am

How do you pay him?, Rodgers would need to cut his deal in half at least, I have always been a believer in these dudes make too much money. Priced me right out of ever going to a game again

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packer132's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:26 am

Corey is right about the tag. Its less than market value and the player is not happy. What player would rather play on a tag for $19 million when he can make $28 million with another team? A possibilty is to tag and trade, when you talk with a team ahead of time that wants him. Adams is gone after this season along with Rodgers, Z Smith, Preston, Patrick, King, Lewis, Turner, Lancaster, Burks. Teams usually turn their roster about 25% every year, and Packers will get rid of a huge salary hit. That means drafting well again, but money to sign some free agents.

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CoachDino's picture

October 18, 2021 at 05:23 pm

I don't get that thinking, maybe because I see it as a negotiation of a Business Contract. FT is part of the Unions Players agreement. It is binding and everyone agreed to it. So when DA is looking to see what he should be paid its not as simple as just oh I want the highest price contract. Its a negotiation between that and the FT. Teams would be fools to just accespt that players get "mad" about teams using som,ething that the players themselves agreed to. Not saying it doesn't sour the relationship but its a 1-2 year solution. The players own interest is to still play well for when he does hit FA w/o FT. Thats why you often see players sign with their old team to avoid that issue, another option is to sign early before FA and get that bonus early. DA is playing hardball, I suggest the Packers do the same. The Packers avoid FT for the simple reason that they resign the top players usually before the FA period and only let go the ones they don't want and would be financially foolish to FT.

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Pilprin's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:02 am

This is certainly a challenge. It would be less of one if you were keeping AR. If AR was staying- I don’t believe he is- I would let Adam’s walk. AR can make magic happen with other WRs. However, if they are moving on…I believe it would be best to keep Adam’s and provide Love and company a solid WR unit so he can be most effective when given his opportunity. I think Adam’s has 3 amazing years left and then will start to drop off. I give him 25-26 a year with structure pushing him to the cap expansive years.

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Duneslick's picture

October 16, 2021 at 02:52 pm

They dont have 25 million. they are 50 million in the hole. If rodgers leaves they make up a small part of that but are still way in the hole.

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Bear's picture

October 16, 2021 at 05:29 pm

If they release Rodgers & Z after June 1st the save around 43 million.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 17, 2021 at 02:54 am

That's great, but the Packers need to fill the $50M hole by March 17, and they have to do it likely with AR having a $46M cap number. Unless he stays and signs a restructured deal.

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mrtundra's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:25 am

I think it is foolhardy to think that Rodgers is in GB, next season. I also think that if the Packers wanted to sign Davante, they would have done it before training camp ended, this summer. It would not surprise me to see Rodgers get traded to some other team, for next season, and Davante following him to that new team. This is all on Gute and Ball, who will have to manipulate a tight cap, in order to even think of re-signing either of these guys. I see big changes, coming, to next season's roster, just due to the cap issues the Packers are facing. Welcome to the Jordan Love era.

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packer132's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:33 am

I think Gute did a great job of bringing back 20 of 22 starters from a 13-3 season and still getting under the salary cap. With Rodgers, Bakh, Clark, and Z Smith eating up $95 million, how could he sign any big free agents? Packers have other star players like Alexander, Adams, Jones, Tonyan, who will take up a chunk of money. Teams that have the money are the bottom feeders (Jacksonville, Detroit, Houston).

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egbertsouse's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:39 am

Not improving the team does not qualify as doing a “great “ job. It barely qualifies as an “adequate” job.

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PeteK's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:09 am

I guess you forgot about Campbell and Smith might give us something. Stokes, Newman, Myers , Slaton.

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Bear's picture

October 16, 2021 at 05:33 pm

It would be very hard for Adams to follow Rodgers to a new team. When you look at teams 2022 salary cap it’s hard to find anyone having the cap room for both.

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dblbogey's picture

October 17, 2021 at 01:14 am

There aren't too many teams who could afford take on Rodgers and Adams both. That's $46 + $26 million = $72

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Turophile's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:46 pm

Aaron Rodgers is gone after 2021. It would be difficult for any other scenario, due to the cap hole the Packers are in in 2022. Likewise, Davante Adams will also be gone because the Packers just cannot afford around $24m pa for him. They might possibly tag and trade Adams, but they haven't tagged any player for many years.

In many ways the covid crisis, the impact it had on a cap that shrank when it was planned to expand, along with the awkward position the Packers were in with some truly elite players wanting truly elite money, all combined to create this perfect storm. To deal with it, the Packers had to push a ton of money into next year, which is why they are in such an awkward position in 2022.

This makes for a very different team in 2022. While the Packers might lose Z.Smith/Rodgers/Cobb/Adams, they might keep (for example) Preston Smith. Jaire Alexander, Elgton Jenkins, Kenny Clark and (at least for a while) Aaron Jones. Jordan Love is the new QB for years (if he works out) or as a transition to another QB (if he doesn't). It's all scary and new and a big unknown after the relative certainty/security of decades with Favre/Rodgers.

I don't know what the Packers will be like for the next few years beyond this year, maybe they dip down to be an average or worse team for a while, maybe they stay at a very competitive level, it could go either way. No matter how you think it all plays out, it is interesting times ahead and rather different to how things are now.

For myself, I'm going to enjoy what I believe is the swansong of Rodgers/Adams in Green Bay in 2021 and just wait and see what unfolds after that.

For those that think everything is going to be horrible, I will add that the Packers could see some very good extra draft picks coming their way from the trade of Rodgers (and possibly Adams if tagged), so there is at least a chance that some of their losses can be recouped with good draft picks.

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Swisch's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:51 am

Second contracts are good; third contracts are bad.
That seems the general rule with wide receivers and running backs.
With the third contract, at about age 30, the player usually wants a ton of money just as his skills are beginning to decline.
Davante's one of the very best at his position now, maybe for another season or two, but probably not beyond.
I'd like to keep Davante until he retires, but the player has to want to stay with the Packers enough to take a realistic salary for the good of the other guys on the team.
If that player wants to move on for what he considers a better deal, all the best to him.

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Since'61's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:12 am

The Packers have given Rodgers the option to ask for a trade at the end of this season. To me that means if the Packers resign Adams Rodgers will most likely decide to stay for 2022. If the Packers can't work out a deal for Adams Rodgers will probably ask to be traded.

Free agency period is in early March so if the Packers don't make a deal by then Adams will go to the highest bidder in FA. Rodgers will probably ask to be traded at that point which the Packers should get done prior to the draft in April.

In a scenario where the Packers do resign Adams the question now becomes do they keep Rodgers for 2022 at his current contract or do they extend him beyond 2022? It is possible that an extension could reduce Rodgers cap hit for '22 and '23 and enable the Packers to create some cap space. TGR is in a much better position to discuss those possibilities than I am.

In any case I think the probability of retaining Adams and Rodgers is very low given our overall cap situation. Keeping Rodgers and Adams would mean that we're going to go all in again in 2022. But how can we be all in if we need to cut numerous current players to keep Rodgers and Adams? They can't win an SB by themselves.
I don't know how this will play out but Gute and Ball, maybe Murphy also, got us into this mess, so they need to get us out of it. For now, Beat the Bears and GPG!
Thanks, Since '61

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 16, 2021 at 10:52 am

As far as keeping both Rodgers and Adams on the team next year:

If GB fails to make it to the SB this year, it will be the 8th straight year that the team with the Rodgers/Adams combo has failed to do so. Why would they want to give it a 9th try when the team will have less talent around them due to players having to be cut to fit them both under the 2022 cap? Now, if they were to win the SB, possibly they would want to keep them to go back2back? But, again, they would have less talent around them, making that unlikely.

There just doesn't seem to be any realistic scenario where I see AR12 and DA17 both on the team next year. Which one, if either, do they keep? I have no idea. But it's definitely going to be an interesting offseason.

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Since'61's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:01 pm

13Times I agree. We’ll see, but it’s unlikely. Thanks, Since ‘61

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SanLobo's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:08 pm

The Bengals, Broncos, Patriots and Steelers are all among the top 7 defenses. I see an Adams and Rodgers package deal going to one of these teams. The actual deal itself will probably include three or four teams swapping draft picks and players and GB will reap several high draft picks and a couple quality players. I do not see the massive payout some folks are hoping for, but it will be lucrative. The Broncos in particular have shown a willingness to sacrifice the future to win today and bear watching. The days following our last game of the season will be interesting.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 16, 2021 at 10:23 pm

The Bengals are going to give up on the overall No. 1 pick from last year, Joe Burrow, who is on a rookie contract, and is a legitimate franchise QB for the next 12-15 years for a QB closing in on 40? I got a chuckle out of that one.

ANY scenario where we could swap Burrow for Rodgers...at this point in their careers....I'd be all over that like stink on a skunk.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:12 am

"But how can we be all in if we need to cut numerous current players to keep Rodgers and Adams? They can't win an SB by themselves."

There it is.

We can't replace 2/3 of our starting OLB rotation, a TE, multiple WRs, multiple starting DBs, multiple OL/DL, etc. in one draft, and while the Packers have some good depth players, there isn't enough there to field a competitive team, even if you have one of the best QBs in football and maybe the best WR.

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Savage57's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:13 am

As it stands today, the Packers are $28M in the hole for the '22 cap, about the same amount as what Adams will expect annually.

No way it happens.

Have a good season, Davante, and then best of success with whatever team can afford to pay you.

Seems Rodgers, Bakhtiari, the Smiths and Clark have taken all the cookies.

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TheBigCheeze's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:18 am

Get ready for competing with the vikings for the basement for years to come....FIRE GOOFYNUTZ NOW!!!!

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Wrongbayfeldlman's picture

October 16, 2021 at 10:16 pm

What?

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Packer_Fan's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:25 am

If you want to keep Adams, you will have to pay big and pay to keep Rodgers. If you want to keep Rodgers, you will have to pay big and pay to keep Adams. These two players will be going hand in hand with the Packers. There is no reason for either of them to sign alone and not have the other signed. Better get used to this. IF they don't sign with the Packers, they may go their separate ways. But for them to stay in Green Bay, they will have to be signed together.

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Archie's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:58 am

Interesting. However, no way can the Pack afford to give all that money to 12 & 17. So, my money is on:

1 - going with JLove at QB;
2 - trading ARod; and,
3 - tagging/trading Tae.

We could be looking at 5 #1 picks in addition to our own. 7 #1 picks over next 2 years plus money to buy some FA. If that's not enough for this team to remain competitive, something is rotten in Denmark. Three years from now, Packer fans will be very happy we moved on from Rodgers/Tae when we did.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:14 am

What would be the breakdown for these 5 extra #1 picks?

I'm assuming a #1 in the proposed Adams sign/trade? That still leaves 4 extra #1s for Rodgers? He'll turn 39 next year. I may be in the minority here, but I just don't see this "King's ransom" coming our way for a QB close to 40.

Maybe if Bill O'Brien was still in the league.....

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HawkPacker's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:31 am

Archie, I agree with what you are saying but I hope we can somehow keep both Rodgers and Tae but don't know how we get that accomplished.

Instead of or in addition to the draft picks, I would like for us to get a few young players from the team we trade with such as a past year rookie or 1st year player. This will better help our immediate needs, they will be on cheaper contracts and the first round picks we acquire will be late round picks.

I knew when we paid all the money to Bach and Kenny Clark we were hurting ourselves down the road for the next 2-3 years with Cap Space.

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Gee's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:08 pm

hmm no way I see 5 first coming back for Rodgers and Adams, sorry when you add the money involved. I think people who think we are going to get the farm for Rodgers are wishing. I can see 2 and maybe 2 seconds, but his cap hit and his age will lessen the return. Same goes for Adams return especially if the team agrees to 28 million dollar contract. funny people how people expect top value when trading, these guys like no one else can see what's going here with Adams and Rodgers. If anything the Pack, may be in position of weakness by the end of the season who knows.

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Gee's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:08 pm

hmm no way I see 5 first coming back for Rodgers and Adams, sorry when you add the money involved. I think people who think we are going to get the farm for Rodgers are wishing. I can see 2 and maybe 2 seconds, but his cap hit and his age will lessen the return. Same goes for Adams return especially if the team agrees to 28 million dollar contract. funny people how people expect top value when trading, these guys like no one else can see what's going here with Adams and Rodgers. If anything the Pack, may be in position of weakness by the end of the season who knows.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 18, 2021 at 02:25 pm

I think 2 ones, a mix of 2-6 rounders totaling about 4-5 picks along with a couple depth players. Or, everything above accept maybe not so many 2nd and 3rd round pics and getting a couple promising young players or one massive in his prime stud is more realistic. 5 first round pics?! Good Lord! Would be awesome if u are right. I for one would poop myself if so.

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ImaPayne's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:05 am

The Pack dont have the money to do this, and Bactiari is up also next year and someone else who is prominent as well.
I think the Rodgers deal is done, he is gone and they all know this. I think Adams will wait to see for sure that Rodgers is done and want to move. I think the pack lose both, get some valuable draft picks and start to rebuild.

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Bear's picture

October 16, 2021 at 05:45 pm

Bakhtiari has a four year contract and doesn’t become a free agent until 2025.

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PatrickGB's picture

October 16, 2021 at 09:45 am

In about two years the cap will go up. And it, probably, will go up a lot. Next year we are 20 some million in the hole. So, if that’s the case, then someone has to go and key players will have to have much of their salary cap hits due two-three years from now. To me that means letting older players go and extend key younger ones. While I am not as worried about Adams age because his skills are not all based on speed, I do think that he can be replaced by a committee of younger cheaper players. That cap savings could be used for other players. The team has a ton of other players coming up for new contracts.

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ricky's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:00 am

Doesn't really matter what the Packers want. It depends a lot on what Rodgers and Adams want. Rodgers and the team have already prepared the way for Rodgers exit. Adams could then be signed IF this is about the money. And when isn't it about the money? With Gary, Alexander and Jenkins all getting ready for their first real NFL contract, the team is going to need a lot of cap space to bring back their young, developing players. And those guys have earned a bigger paycheck. So, expect a different team next year, but not drastically different. The OL might change a bit, with Turner likely gone, unless he can't get more money elsewhere. But, the Packers have shown that they can seemingly always call on the "next man up", and so far, it's worked just fine.

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ImaPayne's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:02 am

If I try and put myself in Adams place I must keep in mind, he has an agent who wants max commission and is pinging in his ear: hold out for mo money or seek a trade for mo money. The later my be he see's Rodgers departing and he two may want to move on to another QB rather then stick with Love.
My choice would be to bolt. Adios suckers, I'm moving on. No hometown discount here.
Maybe I'm wrong but I beleive you cant franchise tag someone and low ball them at the same time. I think your required to pay the person the max they are worth per value or you lose the person to those that can?

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HawkPacker's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:35 am

ImaPayne, I believe you have to pay a tagged player the average of the top five players at that position for the next year.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:37 am

I don't see Rodgers redoing a deal that could be, in part, on trusting the FO to do what Rodgers would want with the money saved in regard to personnel, and I don't see the FO agreeing to pay $75 million to two players to have another go at what has been a failure 8 times if no SB appearance or win comes to fruition this season, or even if it does.

What Rodgers and Adams are doing this season is setting up the scenario for both to go elsewhere, for big money for Adams, and the Rodgers input they know GB can't afford or is willing to allow, even if able, to a team that will and would become top contenders day one of their signings with the same team.

As so many often say, sit back and enjoy the last of whatever comes or doesn't with Rodgers and Adams on this team.

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Bear's picture

October 16, 2021 at 05:57 pm

T, what teams are out there that can afford a 2022 cap hit of 75 million to have both Adams & Rodgers.

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2021 at 07:26 pm

Any team that brought in ARod and Adams with a combined $75M against the 2022 cap must have no idea how to manage the cap.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:56 pm

Rodgers gets traded and redoes a deal and Adams gets his money that averages what he wants, but we know how that works. It can be done, and there are teams that can make it work, as there always is.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:40 am

I have no problem with this season try. Let's see if Packers will be able to win all.

Regarding 2022 and further, I'm for cleaning the roster and start from beginning. Packers have good foundation in Kenny, Jaire, AJ, Kylen, Rashan, Savage, Eric, Malik, Big Bob, Alen, MVS etc... Add to this group Campbell, Preston, Smith (ILB) and very good group of young OL. This is the foundatin on which you can build new team capable to win North if you'll add 3 excellent draft pick and few capable FA.

Despite Jordan Love showed lot of promise I doubt any can predict his level (good or bad) until he will play games for the record. I believe that he will be at least very good, but I will not bet on that.

As some informed people said, reconstruction will last less if you start it earlier than later...

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:37 pm

"I believe that he will be at least very good, but I will not bet on that."

If you cannot support your beliefs, not betting on them, then your beliefs are not worthy of mentioning, as you have serious doubts that forbid you from standing with them and are willing to lose something.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:41 pm

Even for you, that's utter BS.... (Trolling on a Saturday, a slow day huh)

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 16, 2021 at 01:06 pm

While holding a paddle of your own.

This person on numerous occasions has done the same to me and those that have so deserve equal at unexpected times.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 17, 2021 at 03:01 am

"This person on numerous occasions has done the same to me and those that have so deserve equal at unexpected times."

All negativities you were sharing here are something I was opposed in my replies on your posts.

Nothing more, nothing less.

W/L record confirmed I was right. Contrary to your statements in the past. But that is you.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 17, 2021 at 02:55 am

Well, I have no problems to admit I'm not football expert.

That is why I will not bat on my view, hope, judgement etc. I already stated that many small facts I read, hear, see, understand shows me Jordan Love can be, at least very good QB for the Packers. What I take into the consideration is my football knowledge, what is the reason I'm careful with the prediction.

That is all.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:28 pm

Big fan of that 70's show, right?

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 16, 2021 at 08:30 pm

the horror...the horror

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Leatherhead's picture

October 16, 2021 at 11:40 am

No, no, no. Embrace the future and let go of the past.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:30 pm

Yup...

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flackcatcher's picture

October 16, 2021 at 12:40 pm

The reality is the Packers have no choice. They have been on this path since 2018. Gute and Ball have done a fine job in squeezing an ever shrinking Cap over the past three years. And Gute's front office has hit on a very high rate of draft choices and signed free agents. Proving he is one of the best, if not the best GM in the league. Too many elite players, not enough Cap space and not enough money period. Enjoy Rodgers and Adams and let's cheer on this year's team. Next year... is next year.

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dobber's picture

October 16, 2021 at 07:35 pm

Well, when they signed those players back in 2018, nobody expected a cap contraction. 2020-2021 accelerated this process dramatically.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 17, 2021 at 03:32 pm

Same ending dobber, only a year or two later giving the Cap reality with the TV contract. Maybe the Cap deficit is lower, but it is the same problem Gute and Ball would still have overcome.

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Gman1976's picture

October 16, 2021 at 01:28 pm

I got to believe that Gute has a plan with his brain trust that has several scenarios. Relax. It’s going to be very entertaining. I bet that our best guesses will only turn out half right.

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joejetson's picture

October 16, 2021 at 10:13 pm

The cap numbers simply do not allow GB to keep both 12 and 17. The future of this team is the young, ascending players - Alexander, Jenkins, Clark, Gary, Savage, etc. They have no choice but to pay the Salary Cap piper. So the obvious strategy must be to milk as many draft choices as they can from whatever sucker they can fleece for #12. Give Love a couple years to develop with a solid core around him. Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a.starter, so don expect any miracles right away, but it should be.fun to have a bunch of good young talent.

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CoachDino's picture

October 17, 2021 at 05:29 am

im on board with theres noway ar is back. the cap issue alone makes it imprudent. id keep da instead anyway........is there really ateam that could even mange their cap to give ar and da max contracts? plus be in the afc? then does anyone think ar will give a discount, he already stated he deserves mvp money.

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