Cory's Corner: The NFL Needs To Clean Up Its Act

The Shield has some soul searching to do with the Super Bowl on deck. 

We have made it to Super Bowl week. Arguably the world’s biggest game accompanied by the world's biggest hoopla is finally here. 

And the NFL probably wishes it would just go away. 

Instead of chatting about parity throughout the league in its 102nd season, talking about how Tom Brady became the oldest player in NFL history to pass for 5,000 yards or noting that T.J. Watt tied Michael Strahan’s record for sacks in a season with 22.5; the NFL will be forced to talk about uglier things. 

First, Brian Flores is going up against the NFL with a class action lawsuit that takes aim at systemic racism against African-American head coaches. Many can argue about the Rooney Rule, which was introduced in 2003, but the only reason that rule was put in place was to check a box. I give Flores a lot of credit for doing this, because he knows full well that his NFL coaching career is likely over, but if it invokes positive change, then it’s a victory. Since 2011, only 18 percent of NFL head coaches have been people of color and were as low as 12.5 percent in 2013, 2019 and 2020. 

Second, there are reports that Flores was offered $100,000 by Dolphins owner Stephen Ross for each loss in 2019. The reason why this is detrimental to the core of the league is not just because it violates the federal Sports Bribery Act. It is simply because of trust. If a Miami Dolphins owner is willing to pay a coach six figures to lose, how do we know that this isn’t a systemic issue? You don’t have to look past the Bengals to understand how important a quarterback is and ironically enough, the reason Ross wanted to lose so badly was because he wanted the guarantee of getting Joe Burrow. And now former Browns coach Hue Jackson says Cleveland paid bonuses for losing. 

Finally, Washington Commanders owner Dan Snyder is now facing sexual misconduct allegations from employees and cheerleaders. And that doesn’t count the $1.9 million Snyder paid in 2009 to settle a sexual misconduct claim against a former employee. 

The Shield is bruised and battered right now. Will those things turn people away from the game? Obviously not, but it should make commissioner Roger Goodell take a step back and think about what exactly the NFL culture is. What kind of a workplace is the NFL allowing?

Now, you can say that the Rooney Rule is a great thing. And on paper, it is a good thing. But those are just words on a piece of paper. What NFL leadership needs now is action. They want reassurances that a systemic change can and will happen. 

As far as tanking, that will always be an issue. If a team starts 1-6, what is going to stop them from opting to play younger players? If the NFL Draft goes to a lottery like the NBA, why won’t teams tank to get more ping pong balls? That happens right now in the NBA and continues to be an issue, even though the three worst teams in the league have a 14 percent chance of getting the top pick. 

In terms of Snyder, that’s a tough one. But owners should be held to the same standard that players are. Owners need to realize that they are setting an example for the rest of the league and they need to know that people look up to the 31 other owners. 

Goodell can celebrate more revenue pouring in from network television, streaming services, apparel and merchandise but the NFL has an image problem that needs to be cleaned up. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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egbertsouse's picture

February 05, 2022 at 07:41 am

Uh-oh! Better disable the comments for this one. End of the world in 3,2,1…….

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dblbogey's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:24 pm

I come here to read about the Packers. If I wanted this stuff, I'd go to CNN.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:02 pm

Stick with your Epoch Times.

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Handsback's picture

February 05, 2022 at 07:59 am

Over the last three years I have watched less and less NFL games. I will check out what is printed, and review some highlights...haven't missed it at all.
I realize that every Sunday is now a day I can get things accomplished verses watching the boob tube all day.
So could care less about the NFL, only the Packers.
I realized that as I was raising two kids...didn't get to see a lot of Sunday games. Now I realize that spending maybe 10 hours a day on Sunday (maybe more) isn't the best use of my time.

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dblbogey's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:27 pm

We need equity. 70% of the league should be white players, and 7% Asians.

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Rossonero's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:51 am

Josh McCown has had two NFL interviews and is the leading candidate to coach the Texans. He coached high school football last year.

Do you believe that a black high school coach could get an interview to be a coach in the NFL?

Flores took a basement dwelling Dolphins team, went 5-11 his first year, then went 10-6 and 9-8 in back-to-back winning seasons. Him getting fired alone was bizarre. He joins a list of other black NFL coaches who were fired after winning seasons such as Tony Dungy, Jim Caldwell, Art Shell and Lovie Smith. What's going on here?

If Flores, Hue Jackson and others can prove the bribery claims, then they'd better bring the receipts to court. It had better be in writing....a text, an e-mail (even if it's an e-mail to himself as a memo to the record of a conversation that was had) -- otherwise, it's just their word vs. the owners. Lots of people nowadays like to make accusations and claims, but in court is where the rubber meets the road.

Flores is risking everything here. This isn't for money. He's already made millions. This could end his career (which is a shame because he's taking a stand and he's clearly not alone as this has become a class action lawsuit). He's challenging a wealthy white power structure (last time I checked there aren't any black owners) that has a stranglehold on the NFL. We're talking about possibly FIXING GAMES here. The integrity of the NFL is at stake.

I'm interested to hear the outcome of this lawsuit. Change and progress never happens without some sort of struggle.

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:08 am

McCowan has, unusually for a QB, been talked about as a potential HC for a long time based on his apparent knowledge of and interest in the game and mental acuity. Whether that is justified I have no idea, not knowing him, but it’s highly unusual in itself. Enough that I’m far from convinced it’s a result of an “ism”.

As to Flores, the idea that he was especially demeaned going for an interview is a little hard to credit. Plenty of would be head coaches have done the rounds over the years. It used to be cited as valuable learning experience.

Flores may have been wronged by his employer, but that same employer also gave him a shot for 3 years. Personally, I thought it really surprising that he was let go and not snapped up. It’s interesting that his principles against the league and former team didn’t prevent him wanting to get the job in NY. He also seems to be throwing his former mentor BB under the bus, which always makes me look twice (though I enjoy the thought of BB discomforted).

Let’s not leap to conclusions here. If things proceed I would expect a lot of things to emerge on both sides. Clearly there’s a lot wrong in that organization. There were plenty of rumors of discord among the coaching and front offices before the break up.

If the league wants to get more minorities in coaching it needs to do more to support a living wage for young coaches who may not have the resources and family support to survive the early years when pay is pathetic or non existent. Some good initiatives are there but not enough on the part of the NFL or NCAA. I’d include the NFLPA too: where is the coaching training scholarship program to look after players who want to move into coaching and haven’t made millions?

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:38 am

The league didn't even investigate Flores' claims - it took all of two hours to say that they were "without merit". Now, that's obviously lawyer-speak for "we're not going to comment because we're getting sued and don't want to give the plaintiff any ammo", but the "without merit" is a VERY bad look. The connotation (and yes, lawyers are mostly BAs in English, so they knew very well what they were doing) is "this is a ridiculous claim and we're not even going to look into it." A CORRECT response from a PR perspective would've been "No Comment" or "We will not comment on ongoing litigation."

The NFL's response to Flores' lawsuit is telling - these old, extremely rich white guys see nothing wrong with the current climate and will do nothing to change it. I don't know if Flores' suit has merit, but I hope it goes to court.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 05, 2022 at 06:03 pm

LOL. I checked below and see I wrote "no obvious merit" rather than the dreaded "without merit." I should note that I meant with regard to the NFL rather than the Dolphins.

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Littlejim51's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:07 pm

Well said! I to hoe he has written receipts, taped conversations etc,
Certainly glad it’s a class action suit and hearing about Flores’ integrity, I can only hope for a jury trial vs a settlement

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King_James's picture

February 05, 2022 at 08:10 am

The Rooney Rule is literally the definition of racism! Why is it that we only apply diversification to areas where whites are successful? Why don't we do the same thing with the players as the player base isn't diverse at all?

Or why don't we let diversification handle itself and just worry about picking the best person for the job? Is it so hard to believe that white people may make for better HCs then black people, just like black people may make for better players? The proof is in the pudding as the best HCs and the best teams are all coached by white men.

28 out of 64 teams have made the playoffs the last two years (so almost half), and only one was coached by a black man (and his team lost embarrassingly in the first round). The minority HCs that have been hired since the Rooney Rule came into effect have a combined record of 729-789! Meaning white HCs have 60 more wins then loses during that same period. You would think that if minorities were being discrimated against we would see a Jackie Robinson effect, ie much better then average outcome/record because the ones that do make it would be over qualified. But thats not the case, it's actually the opposite!

In the end, the reason there aren't more minority HCs isn't because teams aren't hiring minority HCs, but because the minority HCs that are hired aren't proforming good enough and are getting fired for better options. It's that simple. It has nothing to do with racism! So lets get rid of the Rooney Rule and stop treating people different because of the color of their skin!

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Guam's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:26 am

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics. Your argument about won-loss records falls apart if you remove the results of one highly successful white coach - Bill Belichick. From 2003 to the present Belichick's record is 229 wins and 76 losses. If you remove the accomplishments of that one extraordinary white person from your numbers, minority head coaches have a better won-loss record than white head coaches.

It would appear that without Belichick, minority head coaches produce better results than white head coaches. So why does the NFL have only one minority head coach now? The imbalance is striking. I wouldn't be concerned with this issue if the league had a dozen or more minority head coaches, but one????

Even using your numbers, white head coaches win 52% of their games and lose 48%. Minority coaches reverse those percentages (48% win, 52% lose). Yet whites make up 97% of the head coaches in the NFL and minorities 3%.

I tend to agree with your last paragraph - let the most qualified, best performing person get the job regardless of skin color. The statistics argue that is NOT happening.

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Renllaw's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:56 am

Your argument would require that you remove the top minority head coach from the numbers. If you pull Belichicks .670% out then you have to Pull Mike Tomlin's 154-85 .643% out and compare the numbers after that.

Plus, it's more than numbers. Is the coach losing the locker room? Have there been off the field issues? Coaches of every background that are good with XO's may not be good head coaches. As a packer fan Dom Capers and Ray Rhodes come to mind. Both incredible D coordinators, but both failed as head coaches and didnt adjust to league changes. Good HCs are hard to find thats why they get recycled.

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Guam's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:03 am

Agreed Renllaw. And did you do the math? The minority head coaches still wind up with a winning record and the white head coaches with a losing record if you remove the best head coach from either side. The point still stands. Minority head coaches have slightly outperformed white head coaches since the Rooney Rule was implemented, yet there is only one minority head coach currently in the league.

My primary point was that the results were skewed by one outlier. And King James was making conclusions without any examination of the details of the data. Bad analysis.

And yes, there is much more to being a head coach than being black or white. But 31 white head coaches and one black head coach? I think that is going to be a very interesting lawsuit.

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Renllaw's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:39 pm

Yeah, I wasnt arguing against your point. Just saying that if you want it to be a statistically acceptable point, you cant remove a variable that moves the numbers one way or another. Another, more viable way IMO, to look at it... Is to take the stats from 1989 to today (Art Shell, 1st modern era Minority HC) That, I did not do the math on, but I would guess that by removing Shula, Halas, Landry, Lambeau, Brown, etc... that would make an even stronger argument that once there was a real opportunity for minority HC's to acquire positions, they do just as well or better. Stats aside, my take on it the subject is simple. Hire the best available candidate or do your team a disservice. .

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Guam's picture

February 05, 2022 at 04:33 pm

Actually statisticians remove outliers from their data all the time as long as they are truly outliers. Belichick certainly qualifies due to his tenure and considerable success. Tomlin is getting close to an outlier status for the same reasons.

I actually prefer the data from the Rooney Rule forward because the Rooney Rule was a tacit admission by the NFL that they needed to do better in providing a level playing field. Adding data prior to the Rooney Rule almost by definition would skew the result further in favor discrimination.

I agree with your final take - best candidate available.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:46 am

"Is it so hard to believe that white people may make for better HCs then black people, just like black people may make for better players?"

In short, Yes, it is hard to believe because it's not true. You're implying that whites are smarter than minorities, which is why they're better at being head coaches. Many studies over the years have shown that race is not a determinant of intelligence. Those who believe otherwise are racists.

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February 05, 2022 at 10:51 am

It's the same thought process that for years it was just assumed that white football players made better QBs than black football players because they couldn't read defenses as well as the white players (i.e not "smart" enough). How many times did we see in the 60's and 70's successful black college QBs get converted to DBs or WRs when they came into the NFL?

Thankfully, because of all the great black QBs currently in the league, that thinking has changed. For some reason it hasn't with head coaches unfortunately.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:39 pm

"Many studies over the years have shown that race is not a determinant of intelligence."

I can personally attest to that. My lovely wife of many years is a woman of color...a minority...whatever label anyone wants to attach to her. And I have no problem acknowledging she is smarter and more wise than myself. She is definitely my "better half".

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 01:57 pm

Lol, wifely wisdom knows no color bar.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:26 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Wasn't it our President who said, "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids..."

SMH...

Old white guys see nothing wrong with a statement like that...

Hint: I'm old and white and I see a problem with statements like that...

Each individual needs to be evaluated on their merits, not the color of their skin, or anything else, but their merits...

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:56 pm

Presidents say stupid shit all the time.

Like disrespecting gold star families, mocking disabled people, saying it's ok to grab women by their pu**y.

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frankohodge's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:56 am

Proposition: There's no racism in NFL head coaching. "The proof is in the pudding as the best HCs and the best teams are all coached by white men." Double circularity, pretty nice. s/

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Crankbait's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:07 am

Finally a post of sense and reason about this racism obsession. Thank you.

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jcod3's picture

February 05, 2022 at 08:15 am

This issue will take some time to resolve itself. Like many parallel situations in other Professsional sports leagues and business in general, the NFL needs to look at policy and corporate culture and make the necessary adjustments to create balance and fairness in the hiring process. NFL ownership needs to own this issue and do something. As you point out, paying bonuses to lose games is unethical and contrary to the values of fair play. This lawsuit will hopefully bring about some change.

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:16 am

If you want more diverse coaches you have to be willing to make the career more accessible. Once resources and background aren’t barriers to entry then we will see both more diverse coaches and, I think, better ones. To do that the league and colleges need to work together to establish a trading and career path. Without that, things like the Rooney rule are just gestured (and inherently flawed ones at that). Goodall talks the talk but seldom walks the walk except to his and the owners bank.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:55 am

I think Eric Bienemy would disagree with your first sentence. He's been tapped as an HC candidate for years, has interviewed repeatedly, and now has the label that as an OC, he wouldn't be a good HC. The Broncos apparently would disagree with this, since they just hired Hackett as their HC.

The only barrier to Bienemy becoming an HC appears to be the owners. BB's "oops" text to Flores very much indicates the way the NFL works and probably spurred Flores to file the lawsuit.

What I'd be curious to learn is - are there other OCs with 12 years experience, with excellent references from their HCs, with years of interviews under their belts, who have also not been hired? If so, who?

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:54 am

Eric Bienemy is more than a black man.

He is as deep, interesting, complicated, likeable, difficult, and individual as any other man.

The NFL owners are not only barrier to Bienemy becoming an HC.

Like everyone vying for an important job, he must fit into the organization and the decision makers' vision for it. It might be the fit hasn't been there in the interviews he's had-- 4-5 interviews a very small sample after all-- or (blasphemy coming) it might be him. Not every good OC makes a good HC.

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BruceC1960's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:24 pm

The Bears hired their GM (a black man) from the Chiefs. He didn’t even interview Bienemy before hiring a white 1st time head coach. Maybe the problem here is Bienemy?

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 02:24 pm

You could be correct, but I find it interesting that Andy Reid absolutely thinks Bienemy has the talent to be a head coach and can't speak more highly of him. Perhaps the issue is Chicago's new GM is the one with the issue? (being that he's now a Bear, I'm hoping this new guy has all the talent of Pace).

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 01:55 pm

It’s numbers not individuals. I don’t know enough about that individual or others to determine if there is a reason in his individual case. There are many good positional coaches that aren’t HC material. The fact is that the candidate pool is overwhelmingly white, and that’s the real problem.

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Crankbait's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:15 am

Baloney. If I'm running a business I want to hire the people that I want to hire. Any race I want, any gender I want, any political view, etc. and if there's fallout from my choices then I deal with it in a way that I chose. My responsibility.
Nobody's business but my own who I hire...this is free market capitalism ....America.....not some third world dictatorship.
(for now anyway)

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Guam's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:09 am

You have heard America has a Constitution, right?

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

February 06, 2022 at 03:44 am

You? Running a business?

I'm sorry, picturing it just makes me laugh.

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Guam's picture

February 05, 2022 at 08:24 am

With one beautiful exception, the NFL prefers ownership by an individual or a very small group of individuals. This is a predilection I have never fully understood since the league's reputation is then subject to the quirks and flaws of these few people. Dan Synder being the current exhibit A of why that ownership structure can cause problems (there have been others - Al Davis and Alex Spanos come immediately to mind).

With the Packers as a shining example of what a more public ownership structure could look like (have the Packers ever embarrassed the league?), why the league doesn't embrace this more I will never understand.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:11 am

The German model for their futball clubs is fan representation - for any club that is set up to be for-profit (which in the NFL is all of them except GB), the majority of shares in the club must be controlled by a member (i.e. fan) - controlled association.

See here for more details (although it ends at a paywall): https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/football-club-ownership-in-german...

Imagine if the NFL were set up that way, and with the member-controlled associations being the only entities that hired the commissioner - a league controlled by the fans...

Of course, the Packers are essentially 100% owned by the fans and we still have little to no say over the Board elections, so there would have to be some changes in GB as well. The first change I would recommend is that the majority of the Board NOT come from the corporate world.

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Crankbait's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:23 am

I think board members would mostly come from the corporate world except for the coaches scouts and GM's Inevitable. Do you think that there is corruption now?
Imagine.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 02:27 pm

I don't think that the Packers are corrupt, it's just a case of too much hand's off management by the Board because of too much glad-handing to get, effectively, appointed. But I agree that Board elections could become very corrupt if, say, two members were mandated to be fans and not "suits". How to choose which two fans to be included? And who would do that choosing?

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Guam's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:10 am

Did not know that Jurp! Very interesting. Thanks!

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:15 pm

Damn Socialists.

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:50 pm

It’s not all sunshine and roses in the bundesliga. That structure means all sorts of interest groups and motivations and is part of the reason why German clubs are no longer truly elite. It’s worked well in some ways certainly, but it’s far from perfect.

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jurp's picture

February 06, 2022 at 10:21 am

Not saying it's perfect, but to say it's causing the clubs to not be elite is ignoring the gigashit-tons of money the REST of European soccer has to scoop up German stars. And weren't two of the German clubs invited to the quickly shot down Super League? (I could be mis-remembering here...)

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:14 pm

Stephen Ross made his money as a Slum Lord.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 05, 2022 at 08:29 am

I don't know how to change hiring practices using policy. The NFL requires teams to interview minorities. The NFL gives draft picks to teams that hire minorities. The Browns will receive a third round draft pick in 2022 and another 3rd in 2023 because they hired and promoted Odofo-Mensah for their front office; Cleveland gets the picks because MN hired Mensah as their GM.

I don't see any obvious merit in Flores' lawsuit on its face. Maybe Flores can produce some additional interesting evidence. Lots of fans have decided that Rodgers just doesn't have "it" in the playoffs, so he should be replaced. I can adduce reams of evidence, mostly statistics, that suggest Rodgers is a great QB and has good stats in the playoffs. Does that mean the AR-haters are wrong? Does it mean those fans have a religion test or a politics test? The Miami owner might have just concluded that Flores, who has a 24-25 record, is at best an average coach or isn't a QB whisperer.

I don't know how the NFL can stop teams from throwing games for draft considerations. I openly advocated for throwing the Detroit game a couple of years ago. I don't give a damn about the gamblers.

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:30 am

The only reason throwing is a real issue now is the tie in with gambling. When leagues did that I thought they might find that, along with the lucre, they would be some unpleasant consequences. It will be interesting to see how that plays out if substantiated. I can’t see much anyone can do or really complain about for anything prior to that tie-in in a privately owned and operated league.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:35 pm

The FBI can investigate Racketeering.

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Lphill's picture

February 05, 2022 at 08:47 am

Joe Biden said he’s picking a black women for the supreme court so that eliminates qualified black men for that position , is that fair?

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:08 am

When RBG died, Trump said he was going to pick a white woman for that seat on the Court - was that fair?

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February 05, 2022 at 10:18 am

Lphill should thank you for proving his point. It wasn't right under Trump, isnt right under Biden. Isnt right in the NFL. You own a team you should be left alone to hire who you want. If you hire a lesser coach because of skin color, height, weight, what they prefer for lunch vs the better qualified coach, you are just screwing yourself. ANY hiring requirement based on ANY skin color is racism.

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February 05, 2022 at 10:31 am

Baloney.
Don't even go there.
False racism claims have always been used by the Democrat party to spread hate, shame, division and attack political rivals. Pathetic.
As obvious as our crappy special teams.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 02:29 pm

How is telling the truth a "false rascism claim"? You might also want to see which media sources are spreading hate, shame, and division. Hint: it's those who call a coup attempt "patriotism". Goebbels would be proud of them.

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:22 am

"When RBG died, Trump said he was going to pick a white woman for that seat on the Court"

My memory and google are failing. Could you please find a source for Trump's quote for me.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 02:31 pm

"Trump vowed to choose a woman to replace Ginsburg..." Yahoo News, September 22, 2020 (can't post the link because I've already posted one link and you cannot have two links in a thread). It was an extremely easy Google search , keywords: trump coney bryant

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February 05, 2022 at 07:00 pm

OK, call me internet incapable, but I'm not finding it.

There are the reports of Trump saying he'd appoint a woman, but I found nothing about him saying she had to be white.

I take your point about superficial categories in your reply to Lphill, and I am not trying to be pedantic or argumentative. As I written before, people play fast and loose with accusations of racism and it is never helpful. And in a mixed marriage myself I am, perhaps, overly sensitive to such things.

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February 06, 2022 at 10:22 am

The "white" part is a given - there is no way in hell a GOP Senate would appoint a black woman to the Court. Evidence? The hand-wringing about Biden's statement.

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February 05, 2022 at 10:25 am

No.
It is racist.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:16 pm

Ask Anita Hill.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 05, 2022 at 08:50 am

We’re one race, all made out of the same mud. The sooner we quit pretending differently, the happier we’re all going to be.

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February 05, 2022 at 08:54 am

Thank you for that bit of sanity LH!

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:30 am

"We’re one race, all made out of the same mud. The sooner we quit pretending differently, the happier we’re all going to be."

Old school football guy and a theologian too!

You're channeling your inner Kant: “Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.”

"All truly wise thoughts have been thought already thousands of times; but to make them truly ours, we must think them over again honestly, till they take root in our personal experience."
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Since'61's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:18 am

Chuck Goodell and hire a person of color as the commissioner. That would set the example of leading from the top and send a message to the teams. It might also slow down the endless money grabs and stupid rule changes which are ruining the level of play on the field. The league also needs a commissioner who actually works to improve player safety rather than just speaking about it.

There is plenty that the league needs to clean up but the current ownership group and their "yes man" commissioner have demonstrated repeatedly that they have no interest in or are incapable of addressing issues that concern the players, coaches or the fans. It's all money, money, money and greed, greed, greed.

I wonder what Coach Lombardi would think about the 3+ ring circus that the NFL has become. I'm been down to just watching Packers games for about 10 seasons now and I'm not even sure that I will be sticking with that very much in the future. The reality is that there are numerous better choices and uses for my time. Moving on. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:26 pm

When a safety/LB cannot control the middle and a team can score in the Final 6-13 seconds and the opposition presents a 20 yard deep picket line of a "prevent defense", it all smells too much like Vegas. Take a walk, ride the bike, pound plate with Old School. We need the exercise as we move on in the years, anyway. The Volunteers of America: Help the Elderly, Teach the kids, watch the birds, watch the girls @ the Beach, support Community Gardens...lots to do...

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PeteK's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:44 am

I don't know if anyone else felt this way , but when Flores was let go I was very surprised and then hoped that the Bears and Vikings would not hire him. A 24-25 record with QBs that almost threw as many INTs than TDs is enough of a resume of success for me. Very surprised he wasn't one of the first to get hired.

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Crankbait's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:37 am

He's got a crappy personality. Why can't people just accept that? But nope, here comes the race card.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 02:32 pm

You have evidence for your assertion, or are you comfortable with libel? Post a link.

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 04:00 pm

I’ve heard similar rumors about his relationship with his coaches and the FO personnel and Tua. That’s not to say I generally put a lot of faith in such chatter, but people in the league likely know if there are legitimate questions.

According to ESPN's Jeff Darlington, the move to fire Flores “was made due to deteriorating relationships between Flores and two of the most important people in the franchise: general manager Chris Grier and quarterback Tua Tagovailoa. … Stephen Ross no longer saw Flores as a healthy fit in Miami, due to things getting to “a pretty bad place” with both Grier and Tagovailoa.” ESPN credibility is open to caution, of course.

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PeteK's picture

February 05, 2022 at 05:31 pm

Belichick is all warm and fussy. LOL

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:30 pm

He exposed and Threatened the Old Boys Club, again. Ask Tony Dungy .

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Crankbait's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:58 am

When your multi- million dollar ego gets butt hurt, and you have absolutely convinced yourself it's not your fault whatsoever, pull the race card. Works every time in Wokesville, USA.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:39 am

you're working awfully hard to troll racism. what's the point. are you that desperate for attention?

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Johnblood27's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:15 am

If you want to have a frank discussion, put all of the cards on the table.

Here you are trying to set the agenda of topics allowable for discussion, kinda narrow-minded of you isnt it?

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 05, 2022 at 03:40 pm

Especially those from the marked decks.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 05, 2022 at 06:14 pm

No one lifted an eyebrow when Denver hired Hackett. He has experience but I'd give credit for GB's offensive prowess to LaFleur, then Aaron Rodgers, and only then to Hackett.

No one lifted their brow when Denver hired Outten as OC.

No one lifted their brow when Chicago hired Luke Getsy.

I did make a note because it seemed to happen very fast while not really lifting a brow only because I have no idea whether these guys have any coaching chops.

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gkarl's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:21 am

With all major sports having ties to gambling it will become a LARGE problem for leagues/teams if there are any rumors/truth of game fixing, especially if a owner of the team is involved. That is the problem the NFL now faces, game outcome integrity, not the fact Miami let Flores go.

I agree that it seems the NFL should have more coaches of color but hiring/firing is very subjective and the NFL owners are all white, even the GBP. Minority coaches in all sports may always be under represented until leagues have more minority owners IMHO.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 05, 2022 at 10:47 am

If Flores was in fact offered $100,000 to lose games two years ago, isn't it curious that he waited two years until now after he was terminated to expose it?

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:55 am

Yes. 100 times yes.

Think of the power of this accusation if he had resigned on the spot. Think of the perception of his integrity and credibility. Contrast these with what is being said about him now.

And race? Irrelevant in a discussion of corrupting the sport and throwing games but front and center today and distracting from this damning charge. His silence then gives ammo now to those who would dismiss his other assertions.

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BruceC1960's picture

February 05, 2022 at 12:33 pm

If he had agreed and lost the games would he have been fired sooner for his terrible record? He was in a no win situation.

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gkarl's picture

February 05, 2022 at 01:49 pm

No. It was reportedly offered, but he didn't accept. He did still have his job at the time and most people would probably react just like Flores. I'm still working and not being forced to do due something I don't agree with, best keep quite. All bets are off once he's let go.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 05, 2022 at 04:58 pm

Reportedly offered by whom? Do you have a link or source?
If such an allegation is true and verifiable, the owner of the team should be forced to sell his team for actions which are detrimental to the team, the NFL, and sports in general.

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jurp's picture

February 05, 2022 at 02:35 pm

Not curious if you're aware that a voluntary resignation means he forfeits his pay which (as far as I understand) he gets if he's fired.

Would you quit your job with no income to preserve your integrity? Perhaps yes, perhaps no - it's a difficult call and you'd have to live with either decision.

Flores was in a lose/lose position. Don't know what I would've done in his place.

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 06:33 pm

It's easy for me to say, but yes, I would've quit and been very open about the reason. Interviews with anybody who asked. Not that I'm a paragon (though I do want to live with myself), but I am also 100% convinced that I'd have no trouble getting a coaching job with a good organization. There are good ones.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 05, 2022 at 06:55 pm

You're assuming it is true. What we do know is that Miami was 3-11 and won their last two games in 2019. That did cause them to slip down in the draft. So, apparently Flores did not earn $200,000 and did not get fired, at least immediately. That took 2 additional seasons to not pass go.

I don't know if Flores was fired because of his race. He was 24-25. Miami is in the AFC South with NE, Buffalo and the Jets, so a fairly tough division from Miami's standpoint because they play 4 tough games and 2 easy ones against the Jets.

Miami was 10-6, 6-10 and 7-9 from 2016 - 2018, a 23-25 record that got Adam Gase fired. Why does Flores' 24-25 record save him from the same treatment Gase got? Gase had a mediocre record and got fired by billionaire owner (since 2009) Stephen Ross. Flores had a mediocre record and got fired by Stephen Ross. Gase got hired almost immediately as a HC by the Jets, so some people thought he was a good coach.

Joe Philbin went 24-28 in his three years (and 4 games in his fourth year) as HC in Miami. Ross fired Philbin for mediocrity but Philbin still got coaching jobs, as we know.

Ross fired Tony Sparano for going 29 - 32 as a HC.

Is Flores a good Head Coach? IDK. Can an owner fire an HC who has a mediocre record if the HC is well regarded by other teams? If it is Gase, yes, if it is Flores then no?

I am not at all sure that this promotes the policy of getting more minorities in as coaches and front office personnel. Ross fires people if they don't produce winning records. Ross hired Flores in the first place.

That email from Belichick should have to be evidence of Ross' racial animus, in my opinion.

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jurp's picture

February 06, 2022 at 10:29 am

We're dealing in hypotheticals here, which I thought was obvious.

As I understand it, Belicheck's text/email (whatever) was congratulating a white guy for landing a job that a black guy hadn't interviewed for yet. If I'm correct in my understanding, then this showed that the Rooney Rule is a sham and that the Old Rich White Boys Club is gaming the system; this would've been the straw that broke the camel's back and led to the lawsuit.

Please let me know if I'm understanding BB's communication incorrectly. TIA.

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 11:59 am

As an aside, whether you credit Flores' claims or not, he deserves credit for naming names. He's not claiming to be a victim, he's pointing to specific people who have intentionally wronged him. In today's climate of passion and posturing, it's refreshing to see a guy stand up and look them in the eye.

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Coldworld's picture

February 05, 2022 at 04:06 pm

Whether that deserves merit depends on the merit of his claims. Perhaps he is standing up for good reasons, but often it’s just bruised ego in these circumstances. Ross may not be a very sympathetic character, but he was happy to appoint a minority coach, so he’s hardly a poster child for the central hiring claim at least. I suspect this will prove a lot less clear and unsavory on both sides.

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jont's picture

February 05, 2022 at 06:35 pm

"Whether that deserves merit depends on the merit of his claims. Perhaps he is standing up for good reasons, but often it’s just bruised ego in these circumstances."

Very true.

I am assuming he's telling the truth. So far it's he said she said. We'll see.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 05, 2022 at 07:00 pm

Flores is claiming he's a victim by definition, whether it is true or not, but at least it is not some amorphous claim of an atmosphere of racism in general since he apparently is naming names.

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barutanseijin's picture

February 05, 2022 at 04:15 pm

Goodell and the league office have been covering up the Snyder affair by sitting on the report from their investigation. The only thing to come of the league investigation was the Gruden emails, which as bad they were, were red herrings with only an indirect connection to the WFT* harassment issues. It looks like their cover-up might have made everything worse, even for Snyder. Way to go Rog!

*"Commanders" is ridiculously lame. I'm sticking with WFT.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 05, 2022 at 05:52 pm

Commies..

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jurp's picture

February 06, 2022 at 10:32 am

Reminds me of the punchline to an old baseball joke where the Soviet Ambassador went to a baseball game between the Cincinnati Reds and the New York Giants. The Ambassador was quite enthusiastic in cheering for Cincinnati. When one of his hosts said "Mr. Ambassador, I didn't know you were so interested in our National Pastime," the Ambassador replied "National Pastime? What National Pastime? I'm cheering for my fellow comrades!"

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 05, 2022 at 04:46 pm

If you're an old white guy like me (and especially if you're not), and you'd like to examine your thoughts about race, Robin DiAngelo's book White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism is an exceptional read.

As far as Captain Touchback and how far he'll go as Commish to unearth the truth in order to do the right thing, Since '61 has nailed it. Greed will carry the day. It always has.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 05, 2022 at 05:09 pm

There are probably a goodly number of old white guys on this forum with varying backgrounds.

I think of myself not being a racists, but I do notice when a Black man, for example, enters the area, especially on the golf course since I spend much of my free time golfing. I notice that I will often try to strike up a conversation and depending if we have an opening in our group, I will periodically invite him to play along.

If I'm truly not race conscious perhaps I shouldn't notice that the man is of a different race?

In my work I interviewed engineers from various races, but admittedly most (around 95 percent) were white. Granted that most all the young guys I interview during my working days were able to do the job, what I was looking for in an interview is "how well the applicant will work as a team member and get along with others". I think I hit on most, but do admit that I missed on some. I tried to leave race, religion, out of the equation and that includes gender.

Do I sound like a nice guy? Certainly not universally: If the person does the job I think so, if not he and others may refer to me as an asshole.

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Starrbrite's picture

February 05, 2022 at 09:58 pm

I was a federal agent for nearly 40 years and and worked with many people from various ethnic backgrounds. Some of them I liked and some I did not…much like some of my relatives.
The question I have concerning the racial strife in sports is: how/where does it end…?
How do we determine the levels of discrimination of each ethnic group? Should we have a representative for each and every ethnic group for owners, coaches, assistant coaches, players, officials, administrative personnel,
maintenance crews etc etc.
What about officiating and penalties? Should we determine the severity of the penalty based on skin color, e.g., if a Native American is called for “roughing the passer” on an Asian QB, it may require more or fewer penalty yards. A diverse NFL panel in NY would determine this based on which group suffered the most discrimination.
Maybe the NFL can incorporate a reparation schedule into player salaries. It would based on the the amount of pigmentation within your skin profile.
How/where/when does it end folks?
Can’t we all just get along?

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marpag1's picture

February 06, 2022 at 05:47 am

So much blather. What does anyone know about how Eric Bieniemy coaches on the practice field or in the meeting room? Yet people have been crying for years that he doesn't get a HC job. Or what about Flores? What do you like about his coaching style that makes you think he's better than... oh, I don't know... maybe Nathanael Hackett? Seems like a bunch of black Packer players were lining up on Twitter saying that Hackett was a hell of a coach. I guess they're racists. Don't tell me about some dude's skin color, because I'm not interested. What does anyone know about a specific person's ability to coach? I'm guessing the answer for most people is, "Not a damn thing."

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