It’s OK to Date at the Combine, Just Don’t Fall in Love

Ignore the hype, and the canceling, of athleticism scores.

Pop quiz: What was the Relative Athletic Score for Puka Nacua, the Rams receiver who in 2023 broke the NFL’s records for most receiving yards and receptions by a rookie?

Answer: 5.17. Now, hold that thought. 

It’s that time of year again, when the Packers and 31 other teams hope to find their perfect match by measuring every inch of 320 young men, down to the fat content of their ear lobes. Also by talking to them for a few minutes. Ever wonder why the NFL Combine is called a Combine? Because it’s speed dating and getting a physical rolled into one. 

Inevitably, some random guy will run two-fifths of a second faster than expected and suddenly be a round higher on all the draft boards, as pundits, fans, media and podcasters fall in love faster than Taylor and Travis. Meanwhile, another guy’s left pinky will measure three-sixteenths of an inch shorter than the average for his position, and he’ll be zapped from half the teams’ boards altogether. 

I’m an analytics proponent, and measurables are important as a baseline of information on a prospect. But they should not be the overriding factor when deciding to draft or eliminate a player, yet many teams, often including the Packers, have thresholds that do exactly that.

This is not the fault of the RAS, a useful metric that blends basic height/weight/speed numbers with various agility measurements to give an empirical snapshot of a prospect’s athleticism. The problem is how RAS is used.  

Take Mr. Nacua, who had a dreadful Combine last year, posting a 4.57 40-yard dash, good for 34th among receivers tested and more in line with edge rushers and linebackers. Top wideouts typically have RAS scores in the high eights and nines. And it’s not like the Rams unearthed him at some Division 12 school like the Akron College of Dentistry (I believe they are the Fighting Root Canals), where no one else was looking. Nacua played his college ball at BYU and the University of Washington before the Rams plucked him in the 5th round. I doubt any other team would have touched him. 

Obviously not all players with low RAS scores succeed in the NFL, if they are lucky enough to get drafted or signed at all. Athleticism is important in football; you can’t teach speed and all that, which is why most good NFL players have good RAS scores. But what makes football special is that it requires more than these numbers to be a difference-maker. And that ‘more’ usually involves intangibles, which is why they can’t be quantified despite the nerds’ best efforts. Tom Brady’s RAS was 2.74, the lowest score for a great player ever. Davante Adams was 6.53.

What separates players like Brady, Mark Andrews and a host of other top players with middling RAS scores is the old “being good at football” thing. It involves some physical techniques (how a receiver catches the ball, or rushes the passer, for example), attitude and leadership qualities, and elements of instinct and football IQ that enable a level of anticipation that put players a step ahead of the opposition. Teams often convince themselves that these are traits that can be coached up, which is why raw but excellent athletes will get drafted ahead of players that are good athletes and better at football. It doesn’t always work. 

Thankfully, under GM Brian Gutekunst the Packers are showing signs of loosening up on the RAS rigidity that, with rare exception, marked Ted Thompson’s regime. And guess what happened? The best draft pick on offense this past season, Jayden Reed, had an RAS of 6.74. Karl Brooks, arguably the best pick on D so far, had an RAS of 5.87. 

It’s interesting that the position we hear about the least when it comes to RAS is quarterback, the most important position in the game. But it makes sense RAS should be less important for positions that require the highest levels of football IQ. I would argue, however, that football is evolving in ways that make being good at football increasingly important at every position. All of these players are generally top athletes. It’s the mental aspect that is increasing critical, and those are things you see on game tape, and learn about in in-depth interviews.  Not so much in Indianapolis. Yet what comes out of the Combine tends to dominate the news and remain a top focus of the draft industrial complex right up to the draft. 

My advice: Ignore the herd mentality, the hype and the canceling that will result from this week’s festivities. Instead, if you really want to get a feel for athleticism in football, watch this instead:

 

 

I'll be off in March. See you all in a month. 

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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child.  He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.

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splitpea1's picture

February 27, 2024 at 03:25 pm

Brian Branch is another good example.

I really do hope you're right that the Packers are finally loosening up on the R.A.S. infatuation--I read somewhere years ago that they are wedded to this philosophy more than any other NFL organization. What is the reasoning? Does it go something like, "Okay, I have done my job by handing you, the coaching staff, the most physically gifted athletes. Now it's solely up to you to turn them into quality NFL players regardless of the projected development that is going to be needed at this level."?....I've always been suspicious of this logic, and with good reason because of the intangibles you mentioned can't be measured.

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crayzpackfan's picture

February 27, 2024 at 03:50 pm

IMO- Youtubers, Draftniks, Mock Draft Enthusiasts and yes, unfortunately NFL teams who lean heavily on RAS appear to me as being extremely lazy. Instead of watching lots of film, painfully gathering interviews, articles, and spending weeks on end reading and sifting through it all, they simply log into PFF for an hour to gather some numbers for their spread sheets and 2-3 takes later, they post a YouTube video acting like they have actually seen or heard of the guy with a 9.36 RAS. Even worse than that, some simply regurgitate what another lazy dude posts pawning it off as their own. IMO, RAS should be only be one of many metrics when measuring a player.

Imagine, Tom Brady throwing the ball to Puka and their collective RAS is still less than some 9.86 guys who end up being nothing more than a 4.29 project that some GM falls in love with who's egos tell them they can coach them how to make a cut or catch a ball. Anyway......I'll take smart, hardworking, ass grinding, mean, skilled, chip on the shoulder guys over RAS.
If I had those other qualities and RAS? Um, Duh! Draft them. ;)

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:04 pm

Reed/Wicks/Brooks>>>Branch. I'm not shedding any tears over that one.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:20 pm

I'd argue that Wicks will be judged a better pick than Nacua by the end of their careers. Both 5th rounders. I never shake my head and go, damn that Wicks, he had too high of a RAS score, we should have taken someone slower and less athletic. Also, Reed's testing was rumored to be much better than those numbers quoted.

You can dredge up bad testing scores on decent players, but by and large great test scores indicate the ability to play with speed at the pro level. Tucker Kraft running a 4.8 forty doesn't get picked (nor should he).

I have complete confidence in how we use analytics. It is not the be all, end all, but it's a valuable tool.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:27 pm

Yeah there's always going to be outliers but there's certain quantifiable traits at different positions that will tell you they are likely to be more productive than guys that fall outside of the range. Nacua is the outlier of outliers, the most receiving yards he had in a season at BYU was 805, so he almost doubled his biggest college year. His Momma probably didn't even expect that!

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Turophile's picture

February 28, 2024 at 05:01 am

It is (relatively) easy to check out the physical abilities of players, even easier now that you can have devices worn by the players that can tell you (for example) heart rate and top speed).

Most mistakes that are made, are mis-evaluating the mental part of a players makeup.

Perhaps the most important aspect of the combine is the gathering of all the teams GM, scouts, head coaches etc and business gets done when front office personnel meet.

Possibly even more important is the medical testing for each player. Maybe the joint third most important thing is the interviews of players - you can learn a lot from talking to a player for 15-20 minutes and that applies even if they have been coached on what to say beforehand.

The actual performance of players on the field is the other joint third most important reason for players to be here, but it is the one all the media gets hyper-focused on, because you cannot film mental ability or GMs chatting about deals.

However, there are still elements of real importance that determine a teams strategy in the draft. Teams have thresholds on what they require at certain positions, so as a Packers fan I will be paying particular attention to 3 cone times for DBs (and WRs) - you want to be sub 7.

One example of 'he gets football' is the Safeties Nubin vs Kinchens question. Kinchens is the better and faster athlete, Nubin is the one that 'gets football' more. If it is between those two guys, who are you going to choose ?

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stockholder's picture

February 27, 2024 at 04:13 pm

Wolf’s son, Eliot — a former Packers personnel exec and now the general manager of the New England Patriots — jokingly attributed the Packers’ string of success to “luck” at the 2024 NFL combine.

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 27, 2024 at 05:31 pm

Ask him about the King pick...

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Oppy's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:02 pm

To be fair, they drafted a press coverage guy, who blew out his shoulders badly and never was able to play to his strength again.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:45 pm

Who was 6'2" with speed, and really good ball skills. It was such a shame he got hurt. Kevin King balled out at Washington, he earned his selection spot.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:03 pm

Yeah, well, if we need any sh*t out of Eliot, we'll squeeze his head.

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Oppy's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:00 pm

Well, it IS a great deal on luck.
Always is.
For everyone.

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BruceC1960's picture

February 27, 2024 at 04:46 pm

Whichever strategy they use, I hope it’s the one from 2022 & 2023, not 2020 & 2021.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:11 pm

Didn't we draft Jordan Love in 2020? I mean, most teams would consider getting a top QB as a successful draft by itself. We also got Dillon, a reliable #2 who averaged 800 yards of offense/per season for us.

Also, on Day 3, we took a lineman who started 50 games for us and rarely missed time with injury, Jon Runyan.

Yes, we had a lot of misses in that draft, but we got a potential star QB and two guys on your gameday roster. I've seen worse. Like in 2021. I hadn't remembered how bad that was, and now I look back on it after 3 years, Stokes has been hurt most of the time, Newman has been terrible, Amari Rodgers didn't last two years. Myers and Slaton are really the only two guys who've helped the team very much. Stokes helped his rookie year. Some of the Day 3 guys are already out of the league.

So, to me, that looks like 5 guys who helped the team in those two drafts, and that's not very good, but if Love delivers a Super Bowl trophy, that counts for a lot.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:01 pm

Discounting QB, WR surprisingly correlates the least with RAS scores. What's interesting about Nacua is he had no test he was elite in. The top WRs aren't usually those that have the highest RAS scores but the common thread between them is they are usually elite in at least one thing. The only elite score Nacua had was for his weight. For actual athletic testing was a 7 for the BP and after that 5.92 for his 20 yard split. He's an outlier.

Does he have solid football skills? What's his RAS? Does he overachieve or underachieve relative to his RAS score? Stay away from the underachievers unless it's a weakness that can be easily corrected.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:10 pm

Chuck Knoll once said "Never fall in love with a player before you draft them." Nice paraphrasing by Jonathan there.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:52 pm

My understanding is that teams have already focused on who they want, and why, and mostly use the combine to validate their opinions. It is an opportunity to see many of the top guys doing the same drills right after each other. If somebody does poorly, he can still maybe make up for it at his pro-day.

By now, every player the Packers might draft has every one of his plays in college on tape at 1265, along with hundreds that we won't. So they're looking at some guys specifically, not just as a first rounder, but maybe even as a Day 3 guy, and if they see something at the combine, they'll go back and review the tape.

We know the Packers look for people with exceptional RAS scores. We'll see who is on that list after the combine.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:38 pm

The combine influences meddling owners who insert themselves into front office decisions.

Good front offices have already completed their work, I suppose the combine is useful if you're trying to throw people off the scent of players you'd like to see drop. God I hope five quarterbacks come off the board before pick 25, or if not that, that a player drops far enough that someone to is willing to overpay for pick 25.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 28, 2024 at 09:24 am

That would be my preference, too. I think that the higher you draft, the more risk is involved,and that you want to get as many of those premium picks as you can. It would be great if we could trade down from #25 a little, but on the other hand, if your starting LT, or CB, is on the board at #25, you might as well go for it.

Hey....we have 5 picks between #25 and #91. Most teams have two or less. I don't want to be greedy. If we could come away with 5 premium players, I'd be doing the dance of joy. But our recent track history suggests we're not going to get 5 good players. Something will happen, like they'll get hurt, and they'll end up like Deguara or Alex Green or Spriggs and never really contribute.

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JQ's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:19 pm

Thanks Jonathan, for the thoughtful and well-written editorial. I agree there needs to be a balance athletic measurables and 'footballplayerness."
I hope you are correct in your theory that the Packers may be moving in that direction.
-JQ

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

February 28, 2024 at 04:02 am

Not only is RAS given too much weight, IMHO, fans underestimate the concept of "fit in the locker room." In recent years, certainly, we've heard Gute and LaFleur both repeatedly mention "fit" and how they want players who "love the game."

I think they're on target, especially with today's college players. I'm wondering what the pay-to-play stuff in college is doing to managers' analysis? The guy who really seems to be intent on the fame and money is only going to be worse when he becomes a pro. You'd think that all of the hard work they've done proves every prospect is someone with "a good attitude," but that is not what I've experienced in life. Guys who love being "part of a team," the camaraderie, "having your buddy's back," etc. are going to work harder at the little things--and the little things become big things when you're a professional.

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T7Steve's picture

February 28, 2024 at 08:19 am

Have a good month off Jonathan. I'll be looking for you in April. Do you get a month off your real job too?

I'd be afraid to take that much time off. As my dad used to say, "Don't take too much time off at once. They'll find out how well they can do without you."

Sort of like some of the players we've done without lately. Bahk, Stokes, Dillan. That's not even mentioning former QBs and wide receivers.

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WD's picture

February 28, 2024 at 09:48 am

The combine data is just that. Data. And, it is important data. For example, speed can not be coached. So all things being equal; why would you want a slower player? For certain positions the shuttle may be more important that forty times. Particularly with linemen. For the secondary and WRs quickness and good rout running may even be more important as Devante Adams proved. He is a rare exception. So yes, the combine is a lot more than just forty times but it is a really great way to assess each of the prospects. I don't think it should be overrated but neither should it be minimized.

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