Dueling Packers Mock Drafts

Two of us duked it out for four rounds. Vote for your favorite.

Welcome to our dueling 2023 Packers mock drafts. CHTV colleague Joseph Randolph and I each took swings at Packers’ picks for the first four rounds, focusing on what we think Brian Gutekunst & Co. are likely to do, though it’s hard not to let our own hopes seep into our thinking. For each pick we also chose an alternate, in case our original selection is off the board. We explain our thinking for each, or you can just check the charts for a quick view of the picks. 

At the bottom, you can vote for which of the mocks you think is smarter. Or just flame us in the comments. And remember to check out the CheeseheadTV draft guide!

Here we go, with Joseph’s mock first:

Round 1, pick 15: Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State

Basic stats: 6’6/313 lbs. RAS: n/a

If there was ever a player to break the Packers streak of going defense in the 1st round, it’s Paris Johnson Jr. The label of franchise left tackle is rare air for any NFL draft class, and Paris sits up there alone for 2023. From a size standpoint, he checks all the boxes standing at 6’6, 313 lbs with lengthy 36” arms. But what impresses me most about Johnson is how he moves that massive frame; you would think he was a Tight End or Linebacker with the athleticism he put on display at Ohio State’s Pro Day. Johnson has cut his teeth on the Buckeye’s offensive line since he arrived in Columbus as a freshman, seeing snaps early before becoming the starting right guard in 2021 as a sophomore and then being elevated to starting left tackle as a junior in 2022. In three years for the Buckeyes, Paris Johnson only surrendered 3 sacks and 1 hit on the quarterback, with an overall grade of 83.0 per PFF. With only 1 year of experience at left tackle, Paris Johnson has already shown so much, and he still has room to grow, both as a technician and physically as his frame can stand to see some more muscle. Paris Johnson Jr. brings to the Packers a ready replacement for David Bakhtiari while also providing the necessary versatility to bump inside when necessary due to injuries.

 

If he’s gone: Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson

Basic stats: 6’5/298 lbs.  RAS 9.61

The Tigers’ Bresee is scheme versatile and can play anywhere along the defensive line without any drop off in production. With a defensive line that doesn’t have much talent past the starters in 2023 Bresee could form a rotation of Kenny Clark, Devonte Wyatt, and himself that would be a terror on opposing offensive lines.

 

Round 2, pick 45: Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia

Basic stats: 6’7/264 lbs. RAS: 9.88

Washington may not have had the production in college that some might want, but he’s a perfect example of projecting what a player will do in the league, similar to what the Packers did with Rashan Gary. Washington is a mismatch nightmare, in both the passing and the running game. His 6’7, 264 lb frame has the power to negate edge players in the run game and when running routes downfield he’s typically towering over his assigned defender. While Washington does need some decent work on running precise routes, he has the size and athleticism to succeed early on against NFL linebackers and safeties.  Washington would make the perfect replacement for Marcedes Lewis on the Packers’ roster, but he’s more than just an extra offensive lineman in the run game (he could play OT if he wanted to); providing a serious downfield threat and an oversized target in the red zone.

 

If he’s gone: Kellee Ringo, S, Georgia

Basic stats: 6’2/207 lbs. RAS 8.30

Ringo is built like a rocked-up linebacker but played cornerback for the Bulldogs and was more than capable on the perimeter. However, he doesn’t have elite instincts which makes him susceptible to big plays in coverage. A move to Strong Safety I feel is in the cards for Ringo where he has a little bit more time to process and the Packers can take advantage of his large frame in the box against the run. Ringo’s range combined with his physicality will allow him to make plays all over the field and make this vaunted defense that much better.

 

Round 3, pick 78: Keion White, Edge, Georgia Tech

Basic stats: 6’5/285 lbs. RAS 9.92 

I’ve been waiting for a “Za’Darius Smith type” to come along in the draft, and the Yellow Jackets’ White fits that perfectly. At 6’5, 285 lbs it is just downright insane for a person that large to move so fast with fluidity. White is almost a positionless player along the front seven; and in a year where the Packers are without a number of mainstays on the defensive line along with questions about the Edge position he’s a very welcome addition. What I also love is that Keion’s best football is likely ahead of him, as he’s only been playing the position for just 2 years (33 TFL and 11 sacks). The light just flicked on for him this past year at Georgia Tech, with a full NFL offseason under his belt the sky’s the limit for this promising player.

 

If he’s gone: Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State

Basic stats:  6’4.5/254 lbs. RAS 9.68

If Kraft turns into another Jackrabbit in the NFL, one Dallas Goedert, this will be a homerun pick. Kraft was nearly unstoppable in the FCS, and if he can play up to the level of competition in the NFL Day 1, he’s a near complete player at TE.

 

Round 4, pick 116: Zack Kuntz, TE, Old Dominion

Basic stats: 6’7/255 lbs. RAS 10

Given the Packers gaping hole at tight end, Brian Gutekunst is required to double dip on the position early. Zach Kuntz went on a tear in 2021 with 692 receiving yards and 5 touchdowns. The world should have been his oyster in 2022 before his junior season was cut short due to injury. Zach recovered just in time for the NFL Combine and reminded the league that they shouldn’t forget about him. The 6’7, 255 Monarch did every drill in Indy, which included an uber quick 4.55 sec 40-yard dash, 40” vertical, 6.87 sec 3-cone, and 4.12 sec 20-yard shuttle(10.00 RAS)….that’s WR fast. Kuntz projects as a speedy downfield weapon with an amazing wingspan who should at least be serviceable in the running game with some polish. If he can completely bounce back from his injury and elevate his game once more, the Packers should have a stalwart in-line for years to come.

 

If he’s gone: Jaelyn Duncan, OT, Maryland

Basic stats: 6’6/306 lbs. RAS 9.02

Duncan has one of the better pass sets in the year’s Draft Class, he just needs to clean up his sloppy footwork, hand technique, and get stronger; he might have gone near the top of Day 2 otherwise. This pick gives the Packers the ability to walk away from Yosh Nijman in 2024 if his asking price is too high. However, if Duncan can start to put it together by mid-season and start demanding reps, they may decide to let him go anyway.

 

Now here’s Jonathan’s mock:

Round 1, Pick 15: Brian Branch, S, Alabama 

Basic stats: 6’0/194 lbs. RAS 5.27

I’d go with TE Dalton Kincaid here in an instant, but history says the Packers won’t. Too bad, because he has the potential to be the biggest difference-making pass catcher in this draft, including wideouts. So my greatest wish is that Gute can trade back a few slots, pick up some draft capital and Kincaid is still there for the taking. But he won’t last much beyond the mid-20s, and we’re not doing trades in this mock. Meanwhile, safety has quickly gone from major strength to mush, and is arguably the team’s greatest immediate need. Adrian Amos remains a free agent and unlikely to be re-signed. Darnell Savage, for whom Green Bay paid dearly, has played himself into a giant question mark. This is an ugly safety class, and Branch is head and shoulders above the rest of the group, despite not having the length many teams like to see at safety. Green Bay might feel the same way, but Branch has the kind of versatility that makes the Packers drool. He can play nickel, any safety position or slot corner, is a willing tackler and solid in coverage. His Relative Athletic Score is average, largely due to his height/weight for the position, and I still have PTSD from the last Alabama safety Green Bay drafted in round 1, the laughable Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. But Branch is a does-everything-well pick with a high floor and ceiling, and should be able to contribute early.

 

If he’s gone: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois

Basic stats: 5’11/180 lbs. RAS n/a

Wait, I meant Dalton Kin… never mind. Still not gonna happen. Meanwhile, the Packers’ issues in the secondary go beyond safety. Eric Stokes has begun to look like a slightly faster Kevin King. He’ll flash occasionally, fail to tackle consistently and spend a ton of time on the trainers’ table (if I’m a GM, one trait that knocks players off my board immediately is spindly legs.) By contrast, Witherspoon is the closest thing to Jaire in this draft. An aggressive, trash-talking disruptor, he has the versatility to play all over the secondary and last year earned one of the highest PFF grades ever for a corner in college. At 5’11/180, he’s at the edge of Green Bay’s size requirements, but he’s an impact player who energizes the team around him. And if Stokes starts playing up to first-round expectations, suddenly the Packers have a top three NFL cornerback room. Some crazy stuff has to happen for Witherspoon to fall to 15, which is why Branch is my prediction, but if he is still available, Gutekunst would likely run Witherspoon’s card up to the podium in record time.   

 

Round 2, pick 45. Tucker Kraft, TE, South Dakota State

Basic stats:  6’4.5/254 lbs. RAS 9.68

I hate the value/need ratio of this spot in this draft. The best players at need positions are gone, and the better value is in later rounds. So I will again be pulling hard for trading back. Failing that, Green Bay takes one of the remaining *receiving* tight ends here because there are only a couple of good ones left and the position is so critical to optimizing modern offenses. Mike Mayer will be gone. Iowa’s Sam LaPorta is the smoothest route runner and a Combine darling, but he’s only 6’3 and thus too much like Josiah Deguara. Tucker Kraft is the most well-rounded, difference-making pass catcher with size left on the board. He’s athletic, separates well despite an average 3-cone, and has more YAC juice than those that are left. His blocking needs some development, but the receiving value and ceiling are high. 

 

If he’s gone: Zack Kuntz, TE, Old Dominion.

Basic stats: 6’7/255 lbs. RAS 10. 

Zach Kuntz would be a consensus reach here, but this kid is worth the gamble and the Packers should be intrigued by a 6’7” traits freak (he blew away the Combine with a perfect 10 RAS) who is a skilled pass catcher. Kuntz has sky’s-the-limit potential based on his athleticism and production at ODU before an injury this past season. Kuntz began at Penn State but barely cracked their lineup, subsequently transferring to ODU, so his limited small-school experience and average blocking puts  him as a day 3 prospect on most mock boards. But at least a couple of other teams will fall in love with his size, numbers and upside, and the Packers should reach a bit here instead of having to trade away draft capital later to move up for  him when he’s the only difference-making TE left.

 

Round 3, pick 78. Nick Herbig, Edge, Wisconsin.

Basic stats: 6’2/240 lbs. RAS 7.75

The Packers whiffed on Vince Biegel, but drafting pass rushers who were Badgers is generally a good idea. At 6’2/240, Herbig is undersized for a traditional edge, and most see him as a hybrid edge/OLB. That will turn off some teams and perhaps allow him to still be available at this spot, where his scheme versatility should appeal to Green Bay, as should his high motor, athleticism and production. Though a bit smaller, his tape has some echoes of Clay Matthews. PFF says: “Herbig was arguably the best pure pass rusher in this draft class, as evidenced by his pass-rush grade that ranked first among all prospects in PFF's top 200. Wisconsin was wise to align Herbig wide to take advantage of his get-off (1.59-second 10-yard split; 86th percentile among EDGEs), upfield burst, bend and capable hand technique, leading to his 23.9% pass-rush win rate that ranked inside the 94th percentile among edge defenders.” Oh, and he was solid against the run and in coverage, where Green Bay’s linebacking corps could certainly use help. 

 

If he’s gone: Riley Moss, CB, Iowa.

Basic stats: 6’1/193 lbs. RAS 9.68

Neither the sexiest nor fastest corner in the class, Moss simply produced throughout his college career in a way that reminded me of Adrian Amos in his prime in the NFL. He never turned heads, but you could count on him to be in the right place at the right time, making the necessary plays. Moss’ strength isn’t press coverage, and you might not want to line him up against a WR with supersonic speed. But at 4.45/40 he stays with most, plays zone with superb awareness and anticipation, takes smart angles and would be the best tackler in Green Bay’s cornerback room. His size might also allow a move to safety. Here’s what Greg Cosell writes at thethirtythirdteam.com: “The more I watched Moss, the more I believed he could line up at outside corner and be a quality player who gives you consistent execution snap after snap. He has the length and the smooth athleticism to play man and zone coverage effectively, and he plays the game with physical and mental toughness.”  As mentioned above, the Packers should have concerns about Eric Stokes. The team needs quality depth at corner. 

 

Round 4, pick 116: Chandler Zavala, IOL, North Carolina State.

Basic stats: 6’3/316 lbs. RAS 9.49

Zavala was a deep sleeper for many in the draft’s chattering class, but he’s now steadily moving up people’s boards and might not even last this long. An intelligent guard with excellent short-area quickness, Zavala ran a 5.0 40 at his pro day, improving considerably from his Combine time. You wished he was an inch or two taller, and he’s guard only, but his play strength stands out. Somewhat reminiscent of T.J. Lang. The Packers’ O-line is in decent shape in the short run, but potential injuries and an uncertain 2024 makes depth a need. Zavala has the potential to be solid value in this spot.  

 

If he’s gone: Jayden Reed, WR, Michigan State

Basic stats: 5’11/187 lbs. RAS 6.75

This draft is overflowing with small receivers, and the Packers might stick to their usual insistence on the tall boys. But those are in short supply this year, and while Reed’s draft grades are all over the place, he’s stronger and more versatile than many of the other tiny dancers. Reed projects as a better version of Amari Rodgers (RAS 5.62), with superior route-running  skills and YAC ability who also was a top kick returner in college. The  Packers appear to have found something special in Keisean Nixon, but one injury and they are back to zeroes in the return game. That must not happen.     
 

 

Which Mock is Best?

Joseph’s
78% (29 votes)
Jonathan’s
5% (2 votes)
What are these guys smoking?
16% (6 votes)
Total votes: 37
 

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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child.  He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 20, 2023 at 03:31 pm

This is excellent—
My perfect draft —not necessarily in any particular order is:
Two Edge Rushers
Two Tight Ends
One Safety
One/two Offensive Lineman
One/Two wide receivers.
Personally I would go with an edge first. In my dreams I would take Bijan Robinson—they say he’s the best we’ve seen in 10 years.
Go Packers!!!

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MooPack's picture

April 20, 2023 at 03:32 pm

Hands down Joseph’s first mock.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 05:58 am

Can we EMPHASIZE Joseph's first mock....YES!!!

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 20, 2023 at 03:41 pm

15 is too early for Branch.
(By saying that, I am nearly guaranteeing him to be the next Polamalu.)

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DoubleJ's picture

April 20, 2023 at 04:23 pm

Branch is nowhere near as athletic as Polamalu. He is likely to be Clinton-Dix 2.0

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stockholder's picture

April 20, 2023 at 05:55 pm

Polamalu.ran a 4.34.

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Coldworld's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:21 pm

I agree on the athleticism, but the comparison ends at that point. I think Branch is a particularly bad fit for what Barry expects due to the physical testing.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:58 pm

Maybe!

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:24 am

Oh no! DubJ, you’re saying it too!

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 04:15 pm

Jonathan - Did you try to pick the absolute worst case scenario picks? Sure seems like it. Maybe get stockholder to be your assistant GM to get you back on track? ;P

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Jonathan.Krim's picture

April 20, 2023 at 05:27 pm

Hi Birddog ... No, I tried to pick players who are likely to be available when the Packers pick, and who are difference-makers. Like it or not, the best players at various positions won't be there unless strange things happen. You likely have a different roster-building strategy, which is fine. Just be realistic about it.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:08 pm

No doubt.

"You likely have a different roster-building strategy, which is fine. Just be realistic about it."

Pre-draft is when miracles happen. We'll all be depressed enough after the first round this year, so now is the time when we dream, not dash everyone's hopes and dreams.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:31 pm

I can only go by who is available on the simulator, but I did my best to take guys I knew would be available when we picked. I guess you could argue Jahmyr Gibbs won't be there, because I have heard rumors he's going in the 1st round or very early second round.

15: R1 P15 TE Darnell Washington - Georgia
45: R2 P14 RB Jahmyr Gibbs - Alabama
78: R3 P15 WR Jonathan Mingo - Ole Miss
116: R4 P14 TE Zack Kuntz - Old Dominion
149: R5 P14 CB Darius Rush - South Carolina
170: R5 P35 WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton - West Virginia
232: R7 P15 EDGE Tavius Robinson - Ole Miss
235: R7 P18 EDGE Ochaun Mathis - Nebraska
242: R7 P25 DL Kobie Turner - Wake Forest
256: R7 P39 S Rashad Torrence II - Florida

We both know the draft will be crazy and there will be some guys fall for reasons we may never know and there will be guys who are taken 2 or 3 rounds ahead of where they're currently projected. No way for us to know who those guys are.

Tavius Robinson - If he's drafted on physical potential, he could go as high as the 3rd round, yet every simulator I've used has him as 7th/UDFA ranking. All it takes is one scout to pound the table for a guy.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 20, 2023 at 07:00 pm

And now, with a week to go, is when teams really try to blow smoke about who they like and dislike.

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 20, 2023 at 08:39 pm

PFN is showing some players that can be traded, including Rodgers. I've traded him for a 4th this year and a 1st and 4th next year but went differently this time. Traded Rodgers for two 2nds, two 4ths and Corey Davis. Missed out on Jordan Battle in the 3rd but maybe Rice can break the curse!

31.
Darnell Washington
TE Georgia
42.
Mazi Smith
DT Michigan
45.
Adetomiwa Adebawore
EDGE Northwestern
76.
Rashee Rice
WR SMU
112.
Tyler Steen
OT Alabama
115.
Zack Kuntz
TE Old Dominion
116.
Dontayvion Wicks
WR Virginia
122.
Moro Ojomo
DT Texas
149.
Colby Wooden
DT Auburn
170.
Anthony Johnson Jr.
S Iowa State
192.
DeMarcco Hellams
S Alabama
232.
Josh Whyle
TE Cincinnati
235.
Gervarrius Owens
S Houston
242.
Viliami Fehoko
EDGE San Jose State
256.
Cory Durden
DT NC State
2024 NO 4th
2024 KC 5th
2024 NYJ 2nd
2024 DEN 4th
WR C.Davis
2024 NE 2nd

I've been trading down for extra picks this year but also for some next year. That way if things go very wrong they have lots of ammo to clear the shelf(contracts) and restock.

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murf7777's picture

April 21, 2023 at 11:15 am

I like your picks... I did the same and traded Rodgers for a 2nd this year and next. I traded out of 42 & 43 and to 46 & 51 and received an extra 3rd and 4th. Only did a 4 round draft.

15 - Peter Skoronski, OT Northwestern
46 - Adetomiwa Adebawore Edge/DT Northwestern
51 Luke Musgrave TE Oregon St.
78 Sydney Brown S Illinois
79 Sam LaPorta TE Iowa
107 Sean Tucker RB Syracuse
116 Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss

I looked to build the trenches and provide offensive weapons in this draft. Didn't take any WR in the 2nd or 3rd because nobody was there that I felt was worth the pick.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:39 pm

Murf, was Darnell Wright available when you picked @ #15? I like him better than Skoronski who got knocked on his can by Van Ness.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 21, 2023 at 02:31 pm

I absolutely love your picks LL. I have been going a different route with Rodgers by trading him to the Niners. I give up Rodgers and pick 256 and get back 2023 #s 99, 101, 102, 155, 164 and 173. I also get Brandon Aiyuk and 2024 3rd and 4th.

There are no 1sts or 2nds but a lot of good draft capitol and a starting WR in Aiyuk. He could be our #1 or #2.

I also trade Savage right away strait up for Broncos TE Albert Okwuegbunam. He becomes our best TE right away; we have a starter who would be a weapon.

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ShooterMcGee's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:36 am

I would be so happy with an offensive early round draft like yours. Give Jordan some weapons to succeed!

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golfpacker1's picture

April 20, 2023 at 08:17 pm

Nick Herbig??? I haven't even seen him in a mock. There are way better options than Jaden Reed. But I do love Tucker Kraft, he would be a perfect fit in GB.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 05:59 am

Funny....but true!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 04:35 pm

Fanspeak:

Granted Gonzalez is likely gone, but he wasn't and was the BPA.

15: R1 P15 CB Christian Gonzalez - Oregon
45: R2 P14 TE Darnell Washington - Georgia
78: R3 P15 S Jordan Battle - Alabama
116: R4 P14 WR Jonathan Mingo - Ole Miss

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Coldworld's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:29 pm

I have a hard time seeing the first two being available, but this draft has so few consensus blue chips and so many second tier types that this year it could happen.

I’m curious, what role do you see for Mingo? I’m not sure he’s an X or a particularly obvious slot. He looks to me like a classic WR 3 in a MM offense. A bit of everything but not projecting as dominant in any?

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:58 pm

Mingo could play big slot or Lazard role easy enough. I see him as a big Deebo Samuel. Just put him on the field and let him make plays. Putting him in a position to succeed is MaLF responsibility.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:02 am

Bird,
I agree with Mingo, however I am going to be watching closely to see if the Pack select either Kincaid, or Musgrave and whether they are used in the big/power Slot WR doing exactly what you describe for Mingo.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 20, 2023 at 08:22 pm

I will take yours Bird, over both of the others. Those are like giving picks away. I did a Pro Football Network mock where they picked for GB and that was even worse. They gave us Will Levis @ 15 and 4 WRs later with 4 picks in a row.. And none were any I would pick. Terrible.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 05:03 pm

Think the key, as with any draft is who is available when you're on the clock and what your overall strategy is regarding your goals, cap, and the future of your roster is...

15: R1 P15 EDGE Nolan Smith - Georgia
45: R2 P14 TE Darnell Washington - Georgia
78: R3 P15 S Jordan Battle - Alabama
116: R4 P14 WR Jonathan Mingo - Ole Miss

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Turophile's picture

April 20, 2023 at 05:15 pm

Nolan Smith must surely be too small for a Packers Edge guy ?

The other picks make good sense though. Washington would be a perfect Marcedes Lewis replacement. Battle is more a Packer choice than the 5'9" safety Sydney Brown (even though I like Brown, he is a poor tackler). Mingo has that burly Davante Adams build at 220lbs.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 07:11 pm

Oh, you misunderstand... Packers are notorious for drafting a guy and switching their position. Nolan Smith would likely be an off-the-ball LBer or Safety for the shit-show that is Joe Barry's defense... ;P JK...

I would assume Nolan would be a speed rusher specialist his first season, because we need more pass rush. Maybe he's not even on Gutey's board? IDK. He was the BPA when I was on the clock though.

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stockholder's picture

April 20, 2023 at 06:28 pm

Micah Parsons 6’2 248. SLB
Quay Walker. 6’4” 241 ILB
Nolan Smith 6”’2. 238 edge
Heaviest player with 40-plus-inch vertical jump
and sub-4.40-second 40-yard-dash time
at NFL Combine since 2003 (238 pounds)

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 21, 2023 at 01:56 am

Stockholder:

Are you looking for Nolan Smith to accumulate tackles in run support or purely as a pass rusher or both?

Nolan had only 18 total tackles and 3 sacks and 7 tackles for a loss, 1 forced fumble and 1 pass defensed thru 8 games when he tore his pec muscle against Florida and was out for the season. Georgia had 2 junior linebackers, Mondon Jr.(76 tackles, 8 tackles for a loss, 1 sack, 1 interception, 1 pass defensed, 13 games) and Dumas Johnson (70 total tackles, 9 tackles for a loss, 4 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 15 games) with what seems like better run support numbers.

As for an edge rusher, how about Tuli Tuipulotu out of USC?

Tuli is the younger brother of Eagles lineman Marlon Tuipulotu and plays for USC in the Pac 12.

Tuli led all of college football with 13.5 sacks last year and had 21 tackles for a loss and 2 forced fumbles and 3 pass defenses.

Looked dominant against Pac 12 competition and Notre Dame too - see his video:

Tuli Tuipulotu 2022 Highlights | USC EDGE | 2023 NFL Draft Prospect

College Football Player Stats - Tackles For Loss
Please be aware that non-FBS players may show for some stats, due to a technical issue.
1 Durrell Johnson Liberty Flames DE 28
2 Tuli Tuipulotu Southern California Trojans DL 22
3 Ivan Pace Jr. Cincinnati Bearcats LB 21
4 Jose Ramirez Eastern Michigan Eagles DL 20
5 Thomas Incoom Central Michigan Chippewas DL 19
5 Viliami Fehoko San Jose State Spartans DL 19
5 Drake Thomas NC State Wolfpack LB 19
8 Layton Jordan Temple Owls LB 19
8 John Marshall Navy Midshipmen LB 19
10 Karl Brooks Bowling Green Falcons DL 18
11 Will Anderson Jr. Alabama Crimson Tide LB 17
12 Desjuan Johnson Toledo Rockets DT 17
12 Jared Verse Florida State Seminoles DE 17
12 Jordan Ferguson Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders DE 17
15 David Perales Fresno State Bulldogs DE 16
16 Mohamed Kamara Colorado State Rams DL 16
16 Nick Herbig Wisconsin Badgers LB 16
16 Trey Moore Texas-San Antonio Roadrunners LB 16
19 Isaiah Moore NC State Wolfpack LB 15
19 Owen Porter Marshall Thundering Herd DL 15
21 Yasir Abdullah Louisville Cardinals LB 15
21 T.J. Jackson Troy Trojans DE 15
21 Donovan Ezeiruaku Boston College Eagles DE 15
21 Cal Wallerstedt Texas El Paso Miners LB 15
21 Dee Winters Texas Christian Horned Frogs LB 15
21 Zi'Yon Hill-Green UL Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns DL 15
21 Dylan Horton Texas Christian Horned Frogs DL 15
28 Drew Sanders Arkansas Razorbacks LB 14
28 Cole Pearce Ball State Cardinals LB 14
28 Brian Branch Alabama Crimson Tide DB 14
28 Vonnie Watkins Ohio Bobcats DE 14
28 Calijah Kancey Pittsburgh Panthers DL 14
28 Jonah Tavai San Diego State Aztecs DL 14
28 Jalen Mackie Massachusetts Minutemen LB 14
28 Jaques Evans Western Kentucky Hilltoppers LB 14
28 Ty'ron Hopper Missouri Tigers LB 14
28 Jasheen Davis Wake Forest Demon Deacons DL 14
38 Mohamoud Diabate Utah Utes LB 14
38 DeVonne Harris Wyoming Cowboys DE 14
38 Braden Siders Wyoming Cowboys DE 14
38 Tyree Wilson Texas Tech Red Raiders LB 14
38 Levi Bell Texas State Bobcats DL 14
38 Harold Perkins Jr. Louisiana State Tigers LB 14
38 Shaun Dolac Buffalo Bulls LB 14
38 Isaiah Foskey Notre Dame Fighting Irish DL 14
38 Adam Plant Jr. UNLV Rebels DL 14
47 Isaiah McGuire Missouri Tigers DL 13
47 Marcus Cushnie Massachusetts Minutemen DL 13
47 Dom Peterson Nevada Wolf Pack DT 13
47 Tre'mon Morris-Brash Central Florida Knights DL 13
47 Yaya Diaby Louisville Cardinals DL 13
47 Bralen Trice Washington Huskies DE 13
47 Aaron Beasley Tennessee Volunteers LB 13
47 Keith Randolph Jr. Illinois Fighting Illini DL 13
47 Marquis Waters Texas Tech Red Raiders DB 13
47 Michael Shawcroft San Diego State Aztecs LB 13
57 D'Anthony Jones Houston Cougars DL 13
57 Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Clemson Tigers LB 13
57 Mazin Richards North Texas Mean Green LB 13
57 Josh Chandler-Semedo Colorado Buffaloes LB 13
57 Maema Njongmeta Wisconsin Badgers LB 13
57 Jer'Zhan Newton Illinois Fighting Illini DL 13
57 Andre Carter Western Michigan Broncos DL 13
57 Brock Martin Oklahoma State Cowboys DE 13
57 Jamare Edwards James Madison Dukes DL 13
57 Cade Hall San Jose State Spartans DL 13
57 Laiatu Latu UCLA Bruins LB 13
57 Dennis Osagiede Liberty Flames DL 13
57 Ethan Downs Oklahoma Sooners DL 13
57 Darian Varner Temple Owls DT 13
57 Payton Wilson NC State Wolfpack LB 13
57 Mason Cobb Oklahoma State Cowboys LB 13
73 TyJuan Garbutt Virginia Tech Hokies DL 12
73 Tommy Eichenberg Ohio State Buckeyes LB 12
73 Cedric Gray North Carolina Tar Heels LB 12
73 Daiyan Henley Washington State Cougars LB 12
73 Keion White Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets DL 12
73 Brennan Jackson Washington State Cougars DE 12
73 Averie Habas Southern Miss Golden Eagles LB 12
73 Nathaniel Watson Mississippi State Bulldogs LB 12
73 Chris Ojoh New Mexico State Aggies LB 12
73 Byron Young Tennessee Volunteers DL 12
83 Daniel Grzesiak Utah State Aggies DE 12
83 Jadrian Taylor Texas El Paso Miners DE 12
83 DJ Schramm Boise State Broncos LB 12
83 Marlowe Wax Syracuse Orange LB 12
83 SirVocea Dennis Pittsburgh Panthers LB 12
83 Keshawn Banks San Diego State Aztecs DL 12
83 Zayin West Kent State Golden Flashes DE 12
83 James Carpenter James Madison Dukes DL 12
83 Lonnie Phelps Kansas Jayhawks DE 12
83 Derick Hall Auburn Tigers LB 12
83 Victor Jones Akron Zips DL 12
83 Marshawn Kneeland Western Michigan Broncos DL 12
95 Dominic Quewon Southern Miss Golden Eagles DL 11
95 CJ Rias South Alabama Jaguars LB 11
95 Deontae Craig Iowa Hawkeyes DL 11
95 Corvin Moment Western Michigan Broncos LB 11
95 Bryce Houston Ohio Bobcats LB 11
95 Xander Mueller Northwestern Wildcats LB 11
* All Games qualifier is any player
* Home Games qualifier is any player
* Away/Neutral Games qualifier is any player
* Conference Games qualifier is any player
* Last 2 Weeks qualifier is any player
* Last 4 Weeks qualifier is any player
* Vs. TR Top 40 qualifier is any player

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stockholder's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:10 am

I see CM3. A guy with speed and Twitch.
What you see is bull rushing, with No Bend.
Georgia was a Top Defense because of the speed.
You want guys who can't get off NFL blocks?
Very Nice Post of players.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:13 pm

SH: I see CM3. A guy with speed and Twitch.

STR: Well Clay Matthews would be good.

SH: What you see is bull rushing, with No Bend.

STR: I think there is a lot more than bull rush, there is quickness too, but Reggie White type bull rush would not be bad. His brother is on the Eagles, drafted as a defensive tackle in 2021, 6th round. Good genes.

SH: Georgia was a Top Defense because of the speed.

STR: Certainly true. I just thought with that speed I would see a lot more tackles from Smith. 18 total tackles on the season in 8 games - I suppose if he is a pure edge rusher, one is not expecting him to make tackles, just sacks - he had 3 sacks over 8 games.

SH: You want guys who can't get off NFL blocks?

STR: True.

SH: Very Nice Post of players.

STR: Thanks.

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 20, 2023 at 07:51 pm

BDU,

Are you looking for Nolan Smith to accumulate tackles in run support or purely as a pass rusher or both?

Nolan had only 18 total tackles and 3 sacks and 7 tackles for a loss, 1 forced fumble and 1 pass defensed thru 8 games when he tore his pec muscle against Florida and was out for the season. Georgia had 2 junior linebackers, Mondon Jr.(76 tackles, 8 tackles for a loss, 1 sack, 1 interception, 1 pass defensed, 13 games) and Dumas Johnson (70 total tackles, 9 tackles for a loss, 4 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 forced fumble, 15 games) with what seems like better run support numbers.

As for an edge rusher, how about Tuli Tuipulotu out of USC?

Tuli is the younger brother of Eagles lineman Marlon Tuipulotu and plays for USC in the Pac 12.

Tuli led all of college football with 13.5 sacks last year and had 21 tackles for a loss and 2 forced fumbles and 3 pass defenses.

Looked dominant against Pac 12 competition and Notre Dame too - see his video:

Tuli Tuipulotu 2022 Highlights | USC EDGE | 2023 NFL Draft Prospect

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:04 am

Just do not see Nolan Smith for the Packers. Sure he is quick & fast but light in the shorts. There are better Edge rushers who can rush but set the edge. The rest of your selections I like.

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WD's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:15 am

Birddoguni: Great choices. Look at the film of Nolan Smith. He is a play maker and his lack of wt does not interfere with his ability to destroy the opposition's backfield. He can also cover passes. Think Clay Matthews only much faster! Just a great player and freak athlete. He is desperately needed to energize the Packer defense. If gone in the first take Miles Murphy. But, preferably trade up for Smith. He is the best defensive player in the draft. Period.

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WD's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:07 am

In fact, it would be worth trading up to get Nolan Smith and Darnell Washington. NOLAN SMITH is a fantastic playmaker who would energize the entire defense on arrival. Probably one of the best players in the draft. Washington is the best all round TE in the draft and both would be steals if the Packers could land both. Hopefully we will get the Jets second round pick to strengthen this years draft. If we just get Nolan Smith alone it will be a great draft.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:52 am

We all have opinions and one is no more right than another, but while Nolan is an interesting player he seems more like a defensive luxury gadget type player to me....and I just do not see the Packers being in a position to draft such a player. Smith is sort of like these offensive luxury gadget type players in Jahmyr Gibbs, Tyjae Spears, Zay Flowers, or a Derius Davis.

So who does Smith beat out? Gary or Preston Smith? The answer is he doesn't beat out either in 2023, and most likely would play maybe 20 - 30% of the defensive snaps assuming he has more upside as a rookie taking snaps away from Kingsley Enagbare. Get me guys with size, power, and speed like Myles Murphy, Keion White, a Felix Anudike - Uzomah, Adetomiwa Adebawore, or even a similar sized Will McDonald who one could draft a full round later than Nolan Smith.

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WD's picture

April 22, 2023 at 08:38 am

Of course the draft will be dictated by who is on the board. I doubt if Nolan Smith will be there at #15 . That said, I think he has the most upside. You can not coach 4.39 speed. That is why I feel the DL A Adebaware might be my second choice who is big and runs a 4.49. In addition he has played inside and outside on the front four. Frankly I will be happy if the Packers can walk away with Miles Murphy. The rest will likely go early in the second round. Again, to a large extent the draft is a game in progress itself. Hopefully, Gute has a good day. Oh, and with all due respect to suggest that Nolan Smith and Jaymyr Gibbs are gadget players is like saying Jiannis Anetonkumko is a gadget player. Freaks can be great! Packers could use a few. I call them game changers.

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Turophile's picture

April 20, 2023 at 05:09 pm

I'd take Josephs mock over Jonathan's because Herbig isn't a Packer-sized edge guy. Both mocks are ok, but I don't love either one.

With pick 42 from the Jets (a pretty likely option) I'd go:
15) Edge Lukas Van Ness
42) TE Darnell Washington (some sites have him going earlier, but I think he'll be there- if not one of Mayer, Musgrave should be).
45) DT Mazi Smith
78) WR A.T.Perry
If you're wondering where the Safety is, It would be Jammie Robinson in round 4 (and he was in as one of the Packers 30 draft visitors).

If Van Ness is gone (which is fairly likely) then it changes things a bit:

15) S Bryan Branch
42) TE Washington
45) Edge Anudike Uzomah
78 WR A.T.Perry (Marvin Mims Jr would be a nice receiver to pick up, but I think he's taken by now).

Also, if you want to help Love in the future you could go completely left field, ignore Branch and take RB Bijan Robinson at 15 (I wouldn't hate it, Robinson is that good).

That's my 2cents.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 20, 2023 at 07:32 pm

I like those 2 cents, but love the first!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:08 am

Turo,
Like what you did here with exception of Branch. Absolutely would be all for Bijan. Getting that #13 is a game changer for the Packers because with that extra pick it allows you to consider selecting one of the BPA in the draft that isn't necessarily one of your biggest roster spot needs. With two first round picks guys like Bijan, Broderick Jones, Darnell Wright, or even a Gonzalez, Porter, or Witherspoon are luxury options.

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Turophile's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:39 am

Branch just does it on the field.............BUT, his RAS is not high and that is kind of outside Gute's wheelhouse, as he loves high RAS guys more than almost any GM.

Nevertheless, he will take a lower RAS guy, but it's rare. I guess the bottom line is how much weight you assign to his college tape (which is very good), compared to his measurables (which are pretty underwhelming).

Aaron Jones is probably here until the end of the 2024 season, but RB Bijan would definitely help Love be the best version of Love, that he can be.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:10 am

I was actually the first one on here to start talking about drafting Bijan to the dismay of many with just a few down votes. The thing is by drafting him they could stick him heavily into the slot WR position for this year as he is a great receiver. This way they could have Bijan and AJ on the field at the same time, while eliminating the need for one of the WR draft selections this year. Do you think that would scare defenses somewhat? LOL!

Bijan could also spell AJ in the backfield, and next year could completely take over for AJ if need be. Read last night that Barry Sanders is Bijan's favorite player and Bijan watches a lot of the old Barry Sanders tape modeling his game after Barry. Now that is some heavy stuff right there. We screwed up with Mandarich over Sanders, so let's not screw up in 2023 and not select Bijan.

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Starrbrite's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:05 am

I’m with ya Knock—and Turophile.

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splitpea1's picture

April 20, 2023 at 05:59 pm

Gotta find a way to get a WR in the first three rounds, guys.

Washington would be the preferred TE pick, but I would be content with three or four others--as long as one of them isn't Musgrave.

It would be wise to choose a more experienced safety that would hopefully be able to step right in and contribute; for this reason, Branch, Battle, or Robinson would be good choices. Ringo is going to need more time to develop, and his very physical style is a penalty waiting to happen.

There seems to be a focus on highly-rated CBs here, but we shouldn't give up on Stokes yet. Jartavius Martin might be available in the fourth round and would be ideal for the slot. Like other Illinois DBs, he's a solid tackler.... Both Robinson and Martin have been in for visits.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 20, 2023 at 08:28 pm

No to branch, he doesn't fit what we need.

Trade back for a 2nd and a 5th. Buffalo wants Bijan so we are their partner. #27 is perfect for a TE.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 20, 2023 at 10:54 pm

We don't want to trade back that far, IMO... Trade with the Chargers at 21 and make them pay a premium, because they'll likely be in the Bijan sweepstakes. I could see the Ravens or Jags, or Giants all picking Washington if we trade back to 27.

Just a thought.

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Turophile's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:48 am

I'd say Branch is exactly what the Packers need, being the best safety in a very poor year for them, but there is a strong chance they get their safety in round three or four instead.

I do like the idea of a trade back though (and I usually like trade backs in round one as the compensation is pretty good). This year, like every year (for me) I love players at the top of round two, and with most of Washington, Mayer, Kincaid, Musgrave probably sitting in that area, a TE in round two (or late round one in your example) could work out very well.

The value of going back to 27 from 15 should net an extra 2nd round pick in the 53 area, but you are taking someone a tier lower at 27.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:33 pm

Here is the problem. We have one first round pick, and no matter how we slice it, we can't draft a WR, Safety, TE, Edge, DT, OT, RB, and a CB with only one pick.
So, either we are drafting the :
Biggest need.
Best Player Available,
A player to replace a player next year.
Our second biggest need .
Our 3rd,4th,5th, etc. biggest need. Whatever.

I am guessing GB has a draft plan and they know which position groups are the strongest and weakest. They also have a good idea where the best players in each group will start to come off the board. And a general idea of the order of player groups they want to address 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on.

If we can't trade back and score some extra picks, which is crucial, we will only have 3 picks in the first 3 rounds. If we slide some other position group ahead of the biggest needs, we screw ourselves out of the best players available at the position group we really need and run out of players in weak groups like Safety.. The worst scenario would be if we drafted someone at #15 and he doesn't even start. Like Wyatt. First round picks better be starting or someone messed up that pick. Yes QBs usually don't start right away but we won't be picking a QB early because we already have one.

Very few draft evaluators pick Branch as the best Safety for Green Bays needs. Early on some did but that opinion is not recommended much lately. We should not waste our #1 pick on a Safety when we could get a better fit player in the 3rd round. Picking Branch first will limit our chances to fill our needs with the best players.

And if we pick a TE @ #27 we will be choosing from at least 9 of the 10 best players @ that position because only Mayer will probably be gone by then.

Also if we only get 1 pick in return for trading down 12 spots in the first round, then someone is a piss poor negotiator and should be fired. If a team falls in love with a certain player and views them as the missing piece for their team, in this case Buffalo wanting Bijan, they will undoubtably pay more than one 2nd round pick to get him. The trade chart is like the Constitution, its a guideline. Teams will also come for Hooker.

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Turophile's picture

April 23, 2023 at 01:51 pm

Teams manage with one pick per round and so can the Packers. The cupboard is not bare in Green Bay and picks other than first rounders can fill needs.

I'm guessing four needs are addressed (1x rd1, 2x rd2, 1x rd3) and that is if the Packers don't trade back (I'm assuming the Packers get the Jets pick at 42 or 43).
Edge, TE with the first two picks, then maybe DT and WR or Safety
Putting names to these positions, how about:

1) Edge Lukas Van Ness or Myles Murphy
2a) TE Washington or Mayer or Kincaid or even Musgrave
2b) DT Gervon Dexter (6'5", 310, RAS of 9.52, should look good to Gute)
3) Cannot decide between WR A.T.Perry or take CB Tyrique Stevenson who is a CB but in a poor year for safeties his 6'0", 198, RAS 8.93 could warrant a move there.

That is a lot of needs addressed with guys who could get meaningful snaps a be key backups early.

For sure a trade back in round one is attractive for the extra 2nd or 3rd round pick, but there has to be a team willing to trade up and that might not be easy to find.

As for Mayer being the first TE off the board, he may be, but equally Washington or Kincaid could jump him to be the first TE taken.

As for compensation for moving from pick 15 to 27, the difference in value is equivalent to the value of pick 53. Should the Packers get more than one pick, sure, if (for example) the trade down is for a round three pick plus extra, rather than just one pick in round 2.

Buffalo (at pick 27) would be not impossible, but awkward, given where their picks lie*. Dallas (at pick 26) would be easier as their 26th, 58th and rd 5 pick at 169, are roughly equal to the value of pick 15 (1042 vs 1050, on the JJ trade value chart).

* A trade with Buffalo could be done with some fiddling, for example the Packers give up picks 15 and 170 (their late 5th) for Buffalo's 27, 59, and a swap of Buffalo's 3rd for the Packers 4th

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Johnedrama's picture

April 20, 2023 at 07:38 pm

Branch won’t go in 1st rd that would be a reach

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Turophile's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:51 am

Only if you base that on RAS, rather than his play on the field in college.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:15 am

On a college defense that was so dominating how much might the overall talent level attribute to Branch being able to show as well as he did, particularly with that RAS? One has to at least think about it! Pressure the passer & press coverage can make a Safety look pretty damn good! Unfortunately the Packers do not have that level of overall talent on a professional level.

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Turophile's picture

April 23, 2023 at 02:17 pm

That's what the talent evaluators get paid the money for, to take all circumstances into account.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 20, 2023 at 08:32 pm

I hope his name falls on the floor when our pick comes up. Other than a QB, picking Branch would be the next worst pick @ 15. I would pick him in the 4th round.

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pantz_bURp's picture

April 20, 2023 at 09:37 pm

What"z with all the shade on Branch? Sure, he is s-l-o-w but player's like him don't grow on trees. If he is a Packer, I will root for him....

The Pack, at #15.......select Bijan. Book it!

{mic drop}

😁

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:56 am

Joseph’s first four picks would be a dream come true for me, and match exactly who I’ve picked multiple times using simulators. That said, I will be shocked if Keion White makes it out of the second round, and I also will be shocked if Darnell Washington makes it to 45.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:29 am

PEO,
Agreed!

While I love Washington and would like to see him in a Packer uniform it really depends on the draft and how it falls. More and more I am not sure Washington is the Packers best option at 45 even if he is available. He will never be that fluid receiving move TE even though many on here like to fantasize he will be. Washington is what he is as a receiver and route runner no matter what many like to think. He will always be somewhat a lumbering receiver, which was confirmed with the NFC Scouts opinion I discussed last weekend with him. Sure he has red zone potential as a receiver. As I get closer to the draft more and more I think there very well be better options than Washington. The Packers need a TE1, and a TE2. There are many options for a blocking TE later in the draft for value, and if you end up taking Washington at #45 it means you are passing up players like:

Possibly Branch (yea, everyone thinks he will go high in round 1, but.....)
Keion White (good player)
Adtomiwa Adebawore (huge upside potential at Edge)
Luke Musgrave (at either TE, or a big/power Slot WR)
Cedric Tillman (improved Lazard tough WR)
Kayshon Boutte (20-year old talent with lots of upside coming off a bad ankle injury last year)
Possibly a Darnell Wright (probably gone but if there he is my guy for sure over Washington)
Calijah Kancey (either Calijah or Mazi would be tough to pass up over Washington)
Mazi Smith

I am just going to watch and see if Gutey snags #13 or not, and then how the draft is falling when #45 comes around. The Packers could never do wrong drafting Washington at #45 but there may be better and more important options sitting there is my point.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:42 am

I heard yesterday that the Jets are going to have a Make a Wish kid help announce their choice at #13.

Interesting to hear that a scout says Washington is a lumbering receiver. I woulda thought that’s definitely coachable. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think GB favors a true in-line tight end (like Kittle or Hockenson) vs a big slot like Kelce. OR one of each would be nice!

Re: Branch: he appears to be the #1 safety, but how does GB view him? Is 15 too early?

It’s gonna be the most interesting draft in many years.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 08:58 am

TK,
Lumbering may not be the exact/best interpretation from the Scout. More that "he is what he is and he will never be a smooth running receiver". This had been my take on Washington as well! Don't get me wrong.....he will be a very good TE! He just will never be a dominating receiving TE. As you know much will be dependent on how the Packers utilize him. I have to believe that ML could use him in those short passing situations a lot where he uses that big body to shield off the defender. I just don't see Washington as the receiver who consistently is going to be running open down the middle of the field for those 20 or 30 yard gains.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:55 am

The thing about Washington is I don't much CARE whether he is a fluid receiver. I would love to have Kincaid playing the Kelce role, but I'm not sure that's what this offense does. I think a great blocking TE who is a true red-zone/first down threat is what LaFleur wants. With his speed, Washington has to be accounted for on deeper routes--that's enough.
Doubs has the ability to be a slant/slot threat, but I'd feel a lot better if we added someone else to vie for that role (Mingo, please please please!)
I love White, but Gute has to get past his ageism to make that choice earlier than 45.
I think Boutte has more of an injury past than Gute will tolerate before 45, and maybe even then.
I dislike Musgrave as a TE, but I think he'd be an ideal "big slot."
"Tomi" is a really interesting guy, but he doesn't seem to fit the Packers' scheme. Some think he'd be best bulking up as a 3-tech. I'll be following his career.

I'll be floored if the Jets give up a first, unless Bakhtiari becomes part of the trade, and then we almost HAVE to take an OT first.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:02 am

Trading down from 15 is easily the best move for the Packers in this draft, IF they get good value on the trade—and there’s the sticking point. I don’t think anyone will be willing to give them a good return unless a top QB drops to 15.
I salivate at getting the Jets two 2nds for Rodgers plus trading #15 for two more 2nds, but that’s a pipe dream.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:03 am

To get good value on the trade almost assuredly another team needs to reach out to us who want to move up. Then there is a good chance for a win-win with a trade back.

I think you capitulate too easily! :)

Silly or not, I still have hopes for that #13 spot, or if the trade is not with the Jet's someone else's #1 draft choice. Maybe Tennessee's #11? How big of a difference would that make? Now we are talking about a whole new level of player talent being available. Fantasy? If this crazy event happened would you still want to trade back with the Paris Johnson's, Myles Murphy, Broderick Jones, Peter Skoronski, Tyree Wilson's of the draft being available? If this happened, I'd likely say absolutely no trade back. Anyone of these guys are true difference makers who would be a force for a lot of years.

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TacoTuesday's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:13 am

Can we trade down up to 5 spots and still have Branch or Banks there for the taking?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 21, 2023 at 07:52 am

That would be great, but I tell myself all it takes is ONE TEAM to mess up any plan.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 21, 2023 at 04:16 pm

I wouldn't call Gronk a fluid or lumbering TE, but I would sure take one like him. Washington is his comp, only faster.
I haven't been as keen on Musgrave either but watching his highlights are impressive too. Kuntz and Musgrave seem very similar except Musgrave is a little more stout, especially in the legs. They are the two fastest TEs in this draft and Musgrave blocks better, coming from a run first team.

I still think #15 is too high for Branch and we have other needs that we should use there, TE & Edge. If we can get one of Battle, Skinner, or Johnson with a later pick, it opens up the draft for TE, Edge, & WR. The Safety we got from the Niners could be a wildcard if he is as good as GreenGold says he is and I will take his word for it.

We can find a trade partner. Teams don't trade up because another team wants to trade back. They trade up because there is a player they think is a difference maker for them. So the advantage lies with the team with the earlier pick as far as compensation in picks coming back. Who saw the Saints trade coming. If a team wants to trade up, they will give up multiple picks to someone. Why not us? Teams will come up for Bijan and Hooker, etc.

Mazi or Dexter over Kancey all day long. Kancey will get the crap beat out of him from day one by much bigger O-linemen. This is the NFL, not college football.

Josh Whyle could play the Kelce role for GB and play it well. And we can get him in the 4th. This guy is an underrated athletic TE with great hands. He was underused @ Cincinatti. Maybe the best draft plan for TE is, if we can't trade back, draft Kraft in the 2nd, and Whyle or Schoonmaker in the 4th. With a late pick of either Mallory, Durham, Averett, Sims or Allen. Add in Austin Allen and a trade of Ruckert or Okwuegbunam and our TE room is rebuilt and strong with young, cheap talent

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Jonathan.Krim's picture

April 21, 2023 at 06:58 pm

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, golf. As I said in my mock, I would draft Kincaid at 15 but doubt
Gute would, which is why I went Branch. Unless we can trade back a few spots, Kincaid is gone, and the next biggest need is safety and no other safety is close to Branch in this draft. I am not a Darnell Washington fan; limited in ways that Kraft and especially Kuntz are not. This would be easier if we could be sure Kuntz would still be there in round 3, but I doubt he will be.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 21, 2023 at 09:38 pm

I read a story tonite about Darnell Wright and his work habits or lack thereof. Scouts and evaluators saying he is lazy also. Could be smoke, but a team sure better do their homework if they are picking him in the first.

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golfpacker1's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:00 pm

Hey JK, 90% of the info I am reading and hearing from draft gurus on the huge need at Safety for GB, are not touting Branch as the best fit for us. Battle and Skinner are the two they mention the most as best fit for what we need. Both are bigger and faster than Branch. As someone said earlier, Branch could be a product of playing with NFL talent at Alabama. Well we could use that argument with Battle then too, but the big names that evaluate talent keep saying Battle , Skinner, and Johnson are best for the Packers. And we can get one of the 3 in the 3rd round.

As far as Kinkaid goes, if his back is cleared, he would be a great pick. I have stated before I will value him catching 80 passes for Green Bay next year, over him being the best blocker. At 6'4 and 250 pounds, if he just gets in the way of a defender I will be thrilled. Back injuries, depending on what kind and how severe can resurface and we need a 10 year starter sort of TE. Mayer, Kraft, and Washington would fit that description. And they are complete TEs. But Kinkaid is a level above in catching and would be Loves best friend right away.

It will be interesting to see what happens at #15. If we can trade back and get the extra picks we need, or if we pick a certain position and how that will affect our next 4 picks. This would have been somewhat easier if the Rodgers trade was done and we were sitting here with #42 & #43 in our pockets. That would really open some doors for us.

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Jonathan.Krim's picture

April 21, 2023 at 10:06 pm

Branch is definitely polarizing. I’m a PFF guy, and they have little regard for any other safety (Renner especially).

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golfpacker1's picture

April 22, 2023 at 09:12 am

Ask the question will drafting Branch in the first round be that much better than picking one of Battle, Skinner or Johnson in the 3rd and using #15 for a much needed trade back to gain an extra 2nd and a 4th or 5th to boot. We at least have Safeties on our roster who have played meaningful minutes in NFL games. And we have Moore from the Niners who fits what we need on the team already. We don't have any starting caliber TEs on our team. Tell me which is the bigger need and why we should spend #15 on a player that experts say is not the right fit for what GB needs at Safety, and we can save the Safety pick for the 3rd round. If we don't pick Branch with our 1st pick, I really don't think he comes off the board until later 2nd round if then.

Wouldn't it make more sense using #15 on a top 3, immediate 10 year starter, at TE, our biggest need? Or picking a top Edge player @ #15 that can put pressure on the QB and thus make our secondary better immediately. Taking a Safety, who is the best fit for our team, earlier than we should pushes the biggest needs of our team down to where we get a lower quality player. We can get a really good safety in the late 2nd or 3rd. We can get THE TOP TE or a top 5 or 6 Edge at # 15 or later in the first round if we trade back. Branch is not a difference maker @ Safety. But anyone we would pick as early as #15 better be a starter and difference maker from Day one.

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samuelschoon's picture

April 23, 2023 at 04:02 pm

I made an account just to let you guys know how glad I am that neither of you are running our front office <3

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Jonathan.Krim's picture

April 23, 2023 at 06:11 pm

Welcome aboard! Now perhaps you’ll share with us your version of the same exercise. Remember, the rules were that this was a mock predicting what the Pack might do, not what we would do if we were running the show. So that means your picks need to reflect some realism about what players would be available in each of the spots where you pick, through four rounds. No trades.

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