Sounds GREAT!!!

oops, gotta find someone to take 'em...

Thank you

JSN was damaged goods last season. That dang hamstring kept him sidelined. Those things linger and even small tweaks shut down a player because a tear can be a death knell to a career.

I do not see JSN worthy of a #13 selection.

I am still a trade down advocate, unless better value than JSN falls...Edge, OL, DL.

If he thinks Smith-Njigba is the best WR in this draft, it would be best to snag one of the top OTs , or trade down. Marvin Harrison,Jr and Egbuka were the OSU top guys. Smith was the third look behind Olave and Garrett Wilson.

This is well played RC, and I agree!

Doubs & Watson alone cannot do it and get shut down by defenses. They need that talented 3rd WR, and some talent at the TE position to loosen up the defense and the double teaming.

There are some very good WR's in Mims, Mingo, Perry, Tillman, and others in round 2 - 4. I do not think the Packers necessarily need JSN, or even Johnston. Zay is a little small but even he could conceivably fall into high round 2. With the WR's aside, the receiver who I think provides the biggest difference maker for the Packers is Dalton Kincaid. Identified as a TE, but I think he would best play a big/power slot WR. Then draft a true in-line blocking TE like a Darnell Washington.

Ideally, unless some true blue chipper fell down to #13, I'd prefer the Packers trade back to around #19 and pick-up a 3rd round pick. At this point, they will most likely have a choice of Dalton Kincaid, or Quentin Johnston. I like either of these guys and the impact they will have on the offense at minimum equal to the value of JSN at #13. I believe Kincaid is the skilled player in round 1 who can make the biggest difference. With that said, if Paris Johnson, or Broderick Jones fall to #13 that is my draft choice. I feel very comfortable the Packers can still pick a high quality WR & TE in round 2 & round 3.

I can very easily see Quentin Johnston being our pick if opportunity presents.

That would be a fun start. Getting Love his weapons first. Gutekunst seems pretty good at finding OL talent. Can’t wait to see how Rhyan and Walker develop. Tom is dynamite. Elgton. Much left to see, but…

Slot WR is covered with Melton & Toure. I firmly believe Gutekunst looks at it the same way.

Hes also about 20 pounds lighter than Adams too.

I see what you did...

“Next question.”

At worst the 13th pick is worth more than the 15th in a trade down scenario. Or say a top player starts falling in the top 10 then you could trade up to 9 with your R3. Another thing is stay pat and take the best player on your board. I personally would stay pat and see if a top player falls and take him or trade back for more picks. Personally I don't think than any of the OTs, WRs, or TEs are worth the 13th pick. Therefore getting more for your money on a trade back for someone who might really like JSN or say Levis.

Those 2 spots are a surprising amount of draft capital and the Jets only have so much to give. Any GM would take that. I’m some ways I’d rather have stayed at 15 and taken their other second, but this gives a better shot at a player they see as elite elite who slips and also to get a better deal from a trade back. Any GM would want that.

Don't massage the facts.

I dont think it was obsession with the pick as much as it was trying to get as much value as possible. They were never getting #13 outright so they swapped picks to sweeten the pot. With that being said, I am now fully aboard the trade up train. Will Anderson is within reach without gutting the future. They could give up #13, their 1st next year, and a 3rd rounder and still have 2 2nd rounders next year at the very worst (possibly even the Jets 1st if Rodgers meets the playing threshold). Small price to pay for the next Derrick Thomas. This is their first chance for a true blue chip impact position player since I can remember. Lets do it Gute.

OT is what I have read. They are gonna have to say goodbye to All-Pro LT D. Bakh next year. Plus the RT is on a one-year deal.

A top flight, consistently successful DC will put the Packers over the top.

Barry had 7 first rounders on his defense last year and they were not even close to clearing the bar.

Increasing the mix to 8 first rounders with Barry coaching them has me skeptical his below average defense will vault to the top.

My sincere hope is MLF has been convinced, that if he has to keep Barry for consistency over competence, he agreed to let Rich Bicassia "help" on D. He better hope the D plays a lot better this season.

It had to happen at some point and last year showed us that this roster was no longer an adequate vehicle for Rodgers. Something some of us saw coming before his extension. Now Rodgers gets a good roster and a different coach. If you are right he may have a career swan song. We, cap denuded after multiple last dances, get to free up our cap and retool. With Rodgers that would have been a very long process unsuited to him. Sometimes the window of opportunity closes. It did for us after 2021.

A year late for both parties, we are now moving in into an unknown that was inevitably coming. Remember Favre was lighting it up till he tore his bicep in 2008. That still didn’t make moving in the wrong move, as the Vikings came to discover. There was always going to be a time post Rodgers. That time has come and it’s overdue here. Best thing for both him and the team.

I hope he plays great, has great stats, and tremendous health, along with a 4-13 season! GO PACK GO❤️

What Rodgers does this year or next year with the Jets is irrelevant now. They didnt move on to Love for this year. They're moving on to him for the next 10+ years when Rodgers will be long gone from the NFL.

None of the OTs in this draft are worth the #13 pick. This is a very weak R1 OT class as the top ones are at best late R1 picks in most drafts but most likely these are R2 OTs in most drafts.

Got to agree with Dj here jb.
PJ only has the long arms.
Hutchinson owned him.
BJ works; but not at 13.
I still prefer the combine winner N. Smith.
We need somebody behind P. Smith.
But I wouldn't bet against Branch/VanEss
(If he and Murphy are gone)

If I was in that room.
Robinson RB Tex, would be on top

That’s the problem with sone of these hobbyist draftniks, they think their mock drafts- conducted by other hobbyist draftniks- and sspeculative articles about NFL teams’ big boards written by draft industry “insiders” who don’t have any inside connections to these NFL war rooms- are the end all be all.

It’s a huge circle jerk of draftniks opinions and there’s a draft profile, mock draft, or projected big board to suit every varying opinion.

None of it means anything. The pros make their moves based on their scouting department’s own assessments, which they keep tight to the vest for obvious reasons.

Too good. Style points awarded.

He just bought a #8 jersey!

"Was disappointed they gave up the #170 even."

But now Gute has an early 6 to take his kicker (Moody?).

I think Van Ness is a huge reach at 13. Too much hype surrounds him for a rather thin college resume. Not that many tackles or sacks when he did play.

Sure, he's a high RAS workout warrior nicknamed Hercules, but he didn't impress at Iowa as a freshman and was redshirted.

He played his second year but didn't start...spot duty and some splash plays.

His third year at IA he didn't start either and again had some splash plays. He was voted 2nd team All B1G which is ok but he never dominated games the way TJ Watt did his third year... and TJ lasted to the end of the first round.

If he is so good, why was he on the bench for so many snaps? I read he a solid bull rusher but not much else. And while has excellent straight line speed for a guy his size, he is not very quick, slow feet, and is slow to react.

Is he so muscled up he fatigues quickly? IDK. He is a prototypical boom bust pick...I see more bust potential right now.

Given that minimum wage is close to a million, $2.65 million for a veteran isn't a vast sum. More on that later.

There is more to a TE, or any player. Showing up, being available, staying out of the headlines for the wrong things, working hard, getting stronger, learning, getting along with your teammates, etc.

I need some people to explain to me why the same team that let Tonyan go over a relatively small amount of money is going to spend a high draft pick on his replacement. I'm kind of doubtful that's going to happen, and I don't think we're going to get any of the "Top TEs". I think we'll get a TE on Day 3.

I'm with you dobber, as usual. This team, this offense, has a well-defined role for a TE that functions as a 6th offensive lineman. Schoonmaker, Latu, Kuntz.....these are all guys that could be available on Day 3 as well.

When I look in the TE room, we've got Deguara, who'll probably get more snaps this year than previous seasons, but he's more of a 2nd TE, and not the 6th offensive lineman type. We've got Austin Allen, Tyler Davis, and Nick Guggemos .

Do I WANT a really talented TE in the passing game? Sure. Do we NEED to spend a high pick on one? I'm not so sure.

Averett, or Ben Sims...

There's truth to this, but there's also more to the story. When you watch Washington in the receiving game, he looks clunky and unnatural. Reminds me so much of OJ Howard, who by and large became a bust despite being a size/speed freak and having a productive college career. He was a great blocker but was too akward in the receiving game and never overcame it. Im all out on Washington.

Thanks for the good response, Coldworld.
The appearance of burst and agility in Washington to go along with his height and weight seem to make him a tantalizing prospect. With good hands, he can make contested catches in traffic.
It may be a maverick move to take him at #13, but a good move if the Packers think he is likely to be a superstar.
A good thing about Washington is that he seems to be at least solid (little chance of being a bust) and could be much better (truly a boom). Plus, he seems ready to contribute significantly as a rookie to grow with Love.
I wonder if there are any other guys in this draft at tight end, or even other positions, who have his upside in terms of athleticism and skills. It's just that we don't know how that will transfer to the NFL (which is more or less true of all college players), largely because of his seeming underutilization at Georgia.
As a question to you, and anyone else: If the Packers traded down in the draft, at what point would you take Washington?

First read: “I ran the 100 meters in 8 years…”

Adjusts glasses.

You had me at "I ran the 100 for 8 years in high school"! We'd have been good friends, was always looking for a buyer of 🍺

I was active in sports in high school, but unremarkable, and so genuinely figured I wasn't a good enough athlete to pull a hamstring.
It wasn't until I was in my 30s that I pulled a hamstring, which I genuinely figured was a matter of age.

I ran track in HS. 440 relay, 880 relay, and mile relay. My track coach entered me in the 100 yard dash. (Yes, I'm old.) I false started twice on purpose, so my best friend would win. I never ran individual events and Idk why my coach entered me, but he wasn't happy with me and never entered me again. Lol.

Growing up we spent every available moment at the Lake. Water skiing. I played college FB and Baseball. Overseas I played FB, Baseball, and Rugby. Never pulled a hammy. I went home for my 25th HS Reunion and the guys I hung out with, one had a wicked ski boat, so we went out. I loved to slalom ski.

Always started with two feet in, was just good enough to easily jump the whole wake and show off. Not good enough to go Pro. On my third turn, after too much to drink, I snapped my right hamstring like an empty compound bow. My leg was instantly black. I couldn't walk without crutches for at least two weeks. Served me right for acting like a 20 year old at 43.

One and only time I pulled a hammy. Very painful lesson.

I do not shed picks this draft, I want to acquire more. The depth of this draft at Packer positions of need has the table set for Gutey. This can be the best draft banquet he has ever enjoyed.

The roster needs an infusion of talent...and infused with younger players on rookie contracts to attack Murphy and Ball's cap monster.

Trading for a future 1st has validity...but not for the Packers this draft, at this time.

I think this is the most consequential draft Gutey has faced.

Trading down is my preference. Again I’m no draft guru, can’t even tell you the mascots for the college teams outside of the Badgers and the local U. However, TE or WR at 13 is a bit rich and if we can trade down, get more shots at the apple and acquire picks to move back up into the first or high second round or hedge our bets on a different QB in 2024 that seems wise. Stay away from WR with hammies.

Micah Parsons is also a lot better football player. Be weary of combine warriors. This is football, not a triathalon.

That would be very solid! What other Wrs were available at Tillmans slot?

I love that mock! Make it happen.

"Nolan Smith is definitely a guy to keep an eye on imo. "

He's nowhere near as refined as Von Miller coming out, but he's reminiscent of Miller. The kind of guy you move around a lot and make the offense find and adjust to on every play.

Murf, That's the price you pay to make the deal happen. I do like the fact that we now have a 6th rd. pick. Now I can mock draft Max Duggan : )

I think the trade compensation we got is as good as we could have hoped for considering the circumstances.

Thank you, Harry Potter.

Lynn Dickey, Loften, Jefferson, and Coffman put on a great show. Too bad the D perennially sucked.

I will miss Rodgers' sublime passing. He's 40 and even he was 90% certain it was time to call it a career.

I truly wish his 18 years would have been paired with a top defense the majority of the time. Capers Ds kept another Lombardi....or 4 from gracing the Halls at Lambeau field.

For the good of the Franchise, have to see what Love has. And I hope Barry does not become MLF's Capers.