Why The Packers Should Move From Aaron Rodgers To Jordan Love

Is it time for the Packers to move on to Jordan Love? It’s not a simple answer. There's a lot that goes into it, but the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. Here's why...

In the second half of the season-ending loss to the Lions (with a chance at the playoffs after an incredible late-season run from 4-8 to controlling their own destiny), I remember thinking to myself “The Packers have the lead and the ball in the second half at home - they should win this.”

That thought was immediately followed by a tiny voice that said “But I don’t think they will.”

I have lost confidence in Aaron Rodger to do the things that Aaron Rodgers used to do.

But why?

This is the question I had to ask myself. This is what I wrestled with.

I don’t think “it doesn’t feel right” is a valid reason to make a franchise-shifting move. Also, saying “He isn’t getting it done” is a cop out. Football games are about more than just the quarterback. Aaron Jones fumbled, receivers dropped balls, defenders made multiple 15 yard penalties between plays.

It wasn’t all Aaron Rodgers’s fault.

But that doesn’t mean Aaron Rodgers blameless, or even good.

Did his thumb injury play a role? Probably, but do we expect Rodgers, who turns 40 this year, to start sustaining fewer injuries and heal quicker?

No, but how did he look before the injury? Was he productive when he was healthy? His stats weren’t much better pre-thumb injury than they were later in the season - and that’s saying a lot for a guy whose season high was 255 passing yards.

But this isn’t fantasy football, and stats aren’t the real measuring stick. The offensive line started the year in shambles. Their one star receiver was gone. Their one free agent receiver was a bust.

Lots of things impact stats. What was it about Rodgers specifically that had me feeling this way?

The more I thought about it, the more it came down to one thing.

What was the biggest difference between Rodgers this year and prime Rodgers from previous years?

One of the biggest changes I noticed in Aaron Rodgers was how he ran the red zone offense.

When the Packers got to the red zone in the past, I felt like it was a guaranteed touchdown. This year, I just hoped they could avoid turning it over and escape with a field goal.

Looking back, the difference was obvious.

In the past, Rodgers owned the red zone. If you let Prime Aaron Rodgers inside the 20, it was basically the same thing as conceding a touchdown. When they got withing striking distance, it was always a pass play and Rodgers would just dance around until a receiver got open. Then he'd throw a perfect dart, wrapping the ball around defenders at impossible angles to get the score.

He did the things that guys like Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen do now. You know, the highlights where the announcer says “no one has ever done this before” like they never saw Aaron Rodgers play?

This is what the best quarterbacks in the NFL do. The next big thing being hyped right now is Jalen Hurts, and he has a similar blend of mobility and arm talent.

Aaron Rodgers was doing this while these guys were in pee wee football. He was a man so far ahead of his time that defenses couldn’t imagine stopping him.

But time has marched on and things have changed. 

For one, teams have less practice time, meaning offenses have to be simplified. They can’t be filled with precision calls and 4th degree audibles like Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning thrived one. Teams (especially the Packers) can't let their QB and receivers practice endless hours to get the perfect unspoken chemistry for scramble drills that made Rodgers so deadly with guys like Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson. 

The rules have changed, too. In the name of safety, the NFL keeps making the game more and more like flag football. 

Defensive coverage schemes are now more about speed than physicality. Rushing the passer now is about twitch more than power.  Quarterbacks, as a result, have to be able to dance. They need to avoid rushers and let guys get open.

They have to do what Aaron Rodgers used to do.

The game has evolved more and more towards what Rodgers was.

However, at the same time (sadly), Rodgers has gotten farther and away from what he was. Age has taken its toll. He no longer has elite mobility. Making matters worse, his instincts haven’t realized that. He sits in the pocket, ready to make those quick escapes that he was famous for, but when the time comes… he can’t. The results are painful to watch.

He just can’t move like he used to.

But Jordan Love can.

Jordan Love will probably never be as good as Aaron Rodgers was. Rodgers was maybe the greatest quarterback talent of all time - few, if any will ever be that good. It’s not that Love is better than Rodgers or that Rodgers is washed. It’s just that, right now, Love is a better fit for what the came is evolving to.

Aaron Rodgers left his mark on the game of professional football. But, like every great player in the history of the game, he is starting to fade. 

It was a great run, but it’s time to say goodbye.

The next chapter is ready to be written.

 

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Bruce Irons has played, coached, and studied football for decades. Best-selling author of books such as A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Draft, A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Salary Cap, and A Fan's Guide To NFL Free Agency Hits And Misses, Bruce contributes to CheeseHeadTV and PackersForTheWin.com.

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Savage57's picture

January 15, 2023 at 06:22 am

Letting go of heroes is hard in any endeavor. Pro football QB's with first ballot HOF credentials are given longer leashes than most because we want to believe in our hearts they can catch lightning in a bottle again even though our eyes and our heads tell us it's probably not happening.

I've been involved in sales for a large chunk of my life. I always ask young bucks and buckettes who want to try selling as a means to earn their daily bread who's their biggest competitor? And they always say another competitor, another product, another provider.

That's when I tell them the biggest hurdle they have to overcome is the status quo. No matter how much we try to argue to the contrary, human's aren't good at accepting change.

I wish someone would have shared that thought with Murphy and Gute last March.

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Houndog's picture

January 15, 2023 at 06:52 am

Savage,
"I wish someone would have shared that thought with Murphy and Gute last March".
I strongly doubt that anyone sharing any ideas with Murphy would have gone anywhere, he's a clown. A hugely successful clown!

Murphy has taken this organization to new heights in real estate holdings and profitability.
(Lest we forget, and please don't confuse, Bob Harlan is the man that got the new Lambeau Field built, and it rakes in piles of money for Murphy to spend).
Murphy stands in front of a BOD that is made up of Corporate presidents, Auto dealership moguls, lawyers, and CEO's. All are "Bottom Line" people, and Murphy has made (or kept) the Packers a 'Money Machine'.
Gutey, is Murphy's puppet, he accepted a watered down version of GM just to gain a title, the same position Ron Wolf turned down in the 80's.

To me it seems that the one thing all of the above people have forgotten or have failed to realize is: The Packers are a "Football Corporation".

Bob Harlan and Ron Wolf knew that, the present regime doesn't!

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croatpackfan's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:11 am

Right on spot Houndog. Cookie for you, or even 2.

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UdderApocowlipse's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:38 am

Are you writing the team that plays on Sundays is just PR for the "Football Corporation"?

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PeteK's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:30 am

Gute's recent positive comments about Rodger's future with the Packers are very worrisome for me. A comment, " he needs to make his own mind up" would have signaled that Love is ready to lead the team. They see Love in practice all the time and are aware of the cap ramifications tied to Rodgers, but Gute wanting Rodgers back signals to me that Love is not the future.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 12:12 pm

They're virtually always going to say good things. If you undersell the guy, you're shooting yourself in the foot with regard to any possible trade value...as hard as a trade might be, and as low as that value might be.

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greengold's picture

January 16, 2023 at 07:30 am

True. Trading Rodgers, even if GB pays half his salary, is an option they must keep open.

The FO failed to sell high. Now, we must pay. Maybe sucking for two more years, trading away what we can to stack picks for a total reset is something we should embrace.

Many top picks had enormous impact this weekend and throughout the regular season.

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Packers2020's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:14 am

The FO will not trade him unless they are forced to. AR has all the power. Murphy does not want to deal with a new QB or a rebuild. He does not want a new coaching staff. This is why he extended AR, ML and Gute for another 3 years. He is done in 2 more years in 2025. It all corelates together.

Nothing will change until Murphy is gone. And even then the Packers will promote someone internally. We are stuck with the same the next 2 years.

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greengold's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:48 am

Exactly. Guess my bigger point that I failed to communicate was we might as well embrace sucking and adding higher picks.

Looking at the teams contending this weekend, and sifting through how they were built, the impact of true gamers was apparent, as was solid coaching.

I’m all for them blowing the whole thing up and starting over. Have held Gutekunst in high esteem, but see some very big misses along the way.

Like yourself, I’m resigned to the fact that this leopard will not change its spots until Murphy leaves or is ousted. LaFleur caved to Rodgers, thereby losing command of his team. Murphy’s heavy meddling hand is destroying the Packers chances in front of our eyes, and many of us have seen it coming for years.

Time for us to put our helmets on & buckle in for what should prove to be a long, bumpy ride.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 15, 2023 at 06:58 am

Savage,
Well said!

IMO, the front office a year ago made the biggest player/draft mistake possibly in the history of the franchise. The enormity of the mistake will be felt for possibly the next 10-years. I'm hopeful they do not compound this mistake this offseason by standing by last seasons mistake. Own up to it and move on while trying to obtain whatever draft capital possible to help in the rebuild.

Change is difficult and inevitable. I keep reading posts from those who blindly believe Rodgers is still that elite player, but more importantly is the Packers best option to lead this young team in rebuild mode in 2023. The team currently isn't playoff worthy, or a Super Bowl contender meaning it is in a rebuild mode. There are multiple positions requiring an influx of talent, but none more than at WR, and TE. Trading Rodgers will not only provide a young talented Jordan Love the opportunity to lead the team, but the draft capital gleaned from the Rodgers trade would allow the Packers to replenish offensive talent benefiting Jordan and increasing the likelihood of him being successful.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 15, 2023 at 07:17 am

From my perspective both Rodgers and the Packers need to have many on going conversations in the coming months for everyone to amicably understand it is time. The divorce & separation will be hard for both sides as they eventually come to the same realization Rodgers staying with the Packers in 2023 isn't good for either side.

Packers: The Packers are a young team in rebuild and they do not offer Rodgers a realistic opportunity for a SB in 2023. The team needs to start Love as he needs game experience, or they risk losing him. The Packers have an opportunity to have the young (and yet undrafted players) skilled offensive players grow with Jordan Love these next couple of seasons in order to create an offensive to be afraid of again.

Rodgers: If he wants a SB opportunity in 2023, he needs to go to a highly talented team and lead them for the next couple of years. Personally, I'd like to see him secure another SB before retiring. I believe he deserves to win another SB.

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barutanseijin's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:39 am

Football doesn’t owe Rodgers anything. He had his chances for a second Super Bowl (e.g., 2014 &.2020) and he blew them.

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Houndog's picture

January 15, 2023 at 07:25 am

KTSOOY,
I couldn't agree more with everything you've said, you're dead-on.
My fear is that the FO will continue to make the same mistakes. Mark "we're not idiots" Murphy singing praises while Gutey the puppet does whatever Murphy 'approves'.
They consistently make players the highest paid at their position only to see them regress the following year, and their drafting, FAs, and poor coaching doesn't make up for that.
Will the watered down draft capital we'd get for Rodgers this year vs last year really make a difference with these two clowns in charge?
I'm just pissed!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 15, 2023 at 07:43 am

Houndog,
Thanks!

Ever since the Packers passed up on the trade opportunity last year I have been sick to my stomach knowing they had the best opportunity to rebuild the team quickly. Will always be a Packer fan forever but the massive screw up by the FO has made watching the games difficult all last season very because I knew the product on the field would be significantly better. Instead, Seattle benefitted from Denvers trade & made the playoffs even with all the rookies instead of the Packers. Also, I found it frustrated Love wasn't allowed to play and gain much needed game experience in a season that didn't matter. Even if Jordan starts in 2023 there is going to be an unnecessary learning curve before he gets his feet fully under him.

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PeteK's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:46 am

When the Niners' turn came up in the 2021 draft, I was a bit surprised it wasn't traded for Rodgers.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:45 am

"... but the draft capital gleaned from the Rodgers trade would allow the Packers to replenish offensive talent benefiting Jordan and increasing the likelihood of him being successful."

Realistically, what type of draft capital would you expect to glean for a 40 year old QB coming off the worst statistical year of his career and showing definite signs of decline? Favre, coming off a 13-3 season and a couple years younger, only garnered a 3rd round pick.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that "boatload of draft picks" ship sailed last offseason. I have no issues with moving on. I too believe it is time. I just think folks need to have more realistic expectations on what can be received in a trade.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:08 am

A partially-used cup and a broken tablet? Anything in addition to the cap relief is good if the decision is made to move on. But the poor showing by vets in 2022 (Ryan, Wilson) is crowing "buyer beware" to those shopping in the used section in 2023.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:24 am

"Anything in addition to the cap relief is good if the decision is made to move on."

Agree 100%. I also agree the Denver/Wilson debacle this past year will give teams serious reason to pause on giving up valuable draft picks for an aging player.

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Coldworld's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:06 am

The Raiders and Jets don’t appear to see it that way. The Denver experience can be explained away plenty of ways. It only takes one to trade him, though his price won’t be high, I agree, but the cap is the payback along with a desperately needed accounting with reality. Yet again, I think this team wouldn’t let him go even if offered, unless he forces it. Murphy seems that deluded.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:05 am

13Times,
Yes, they missed the golden opportunity last year!

I believe the Packers can still get a #1 for him from say a team like the Jets (#13), Titans (#11), Raiders (#7), New Orleans (#10), or Colts (#4). For example, the Raiders have the 7th pick in round 1, which may be a little rich for Rodgers, but how about the Raiders swapping the #7th pick for the Packers #15th pick in round 1. Then the Packers get the Raiders #2 pick out right?

This would allow the Packers to draft one of the best WR's like Quentin Johnston, TCU, or a Jordan Addison, USC. Then they would be able to pick-up one of the best TE's in the draft, while still having their second #2 to go after a another TE, or a big body on one of the interior lines should they want.

I believe my Raider scenario not only is do able, but good for both teams. Adding that type of talent on offense is sorely needed. It would also generate a lot of excitement next from fans.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:28 am

As Dobber said above, anything the Packers could get in trade, in addition to whatever cap relief they would get, is something Green Bay should seriously consider.

As far as any of the specific scenarios you outlined, I'm fine with any of them if GB could pull it off, although Indy giving up the 4th pick in the draft for a 1 or 2 year rental is pretty much a pipe dream I'm afraid.

Maybe some team will hire Bill O'Brien as their GM this offseason....

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stockholder's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:08 am

Move on? Absolutely Not!
You owe me! Thats the view I see.
You owe ACR money. No matter what.
You couldn’t keep your staff together.
You drafted a QB that will never be his equal.
You let his Wrs leave. The chemistry was gone.
He didn’t want to be part of a Rebuild.
And You put him behind the eight ball from the start.
And then you tell the world, we’re a super-bowl team.
Yet the development went to Jordan Love from the start.
They put together a bunch of OL who were never ready.
To keep him upright. And expect miracles.
Damn straight ACR has to think about it. He got hurt.
His patience is shot; with expectations, and over achievement.
We’ve seen MLF teams not be ready for Games.
Why should he be coach, GM, and cheerleader?
It’s much easier to go golfing and let the blind lead the blind.
(The escape to sanity and a quiet place with No interference. )
I support Rodgers decision whatever it maybe.
But I’ll give him 1 more year because he’s earned it.
And unless he is the QB. Forget about the All-in.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:05 am

"You couldn’t keep your staff together."

Hackett and Getsy left, but the playcaller remained and 12 got his handpicked QB coach. Teams always poach assistants from winning programs, and head coaches want to mentor their assistants. It's the way of the NFL. Lousy argument.

"You drafted a QB that will never be his equal."

It's very possible he will...but you're talking ARod from 2011-2016, not ARod of 2023--which is what the Packers need to deal with. It's very possible that 12 has regressed sharply to near the mean...and Love might very well be at least the mean now. We don't know. Your mind is staked to the notion that anything less than a generational talent is not worthy of playing under center in GB. How many playoff teams are playing now with generational talents at QB?

"Yet the development went to Jordan Love from the start."

When was the last time 12 CHOSE to come to OTAs?...or play in preseason games?...to participate in the optional parts that would have developed the pieces he was being paid to elevate to a highly competitive level? The "development went to Jordan Love" because QB1 gave it away. Don't kid yourself: the Packers gambled that 12 still had it in him to make everyone around him better...8-9, man. 8-9. There are many who say that without 12, the Packers are a 6-win team. With him, they were a cash-strapped 8-win team.

"And unless he is the QB. Forget about the All-in."

2022 was the alarm bell ringing, telling the Packers that the all-in has passed them by, even with 12 under center.

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PeteK's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:54 am

I'll take a future with draft picks and cap room.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:19 am

Everyone will give him one more year, because they don't have any choice...

Moving on from AR12 is a fantasy.

The only way we're moving on from AR12 is if he deems it so.

The spineless have given AR12 all the power and make no mistake, he'll wield that power right up until the point where he announces his return for at least one more year and we'll be right back here next year waiting for his decision yet again. (No matter what writers write, no matter what fans do or don't want.)

When AR12 finally has his Press Conference, I hope he comes out dressed as King Xerxes and closes his statement with arms spread wide asking, "Am I not a generous God..."

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Oppy's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:47 pm

You and 7 other readers here are the biggest Rodgers simps on the planet.

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:30 am

To me it’s not really about Love. He just the man up first. To me it’s not really even about Rodgers the player. It’s about accepting the fact that we don’t have the resources to make Rodgers make sense any more. As such, pouring resources into the QB position makes no sense. That our leaders thought otherwise last year was baffling. That that seems to still be their only strategy is pathetic. I have no faith in the packers leadership at this point.

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frankthefork's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:33 am

IMO the Packers need to move on from AR12...Will they? I bet not. A 90% chance he's a Packer.
Come on folks...did you see Brock Prudy, a 7th rounder for the 49ers-Mr Irrelivant- tear it up yesterday.
Kids today are faster, stronger, better trained, coached, have the desire, and have fewer injuries.
If I could afford to buy any team in the NFL, IMO, I would trade most of the old cars in for newer editions...and as many new ones as I could get.
Draft wisely, and get youth with the speed and desire that these OLD guys with bloated salaries and egos have lost with time and injuries.

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PeteK's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:57 am

Frank your ID pic is sick!!!! hahahahaha

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HarryHodag's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:41 am

Sorry but I soured on Rodgers years ago. Not his skills, but his attitude. An attitude that has contributed to the unholy mess this team is in. He's at the core of the problem.

At some point a team has to say good-bye. I remember the 'so longs' to Bart Starr, Ray Nitschke, etc. It has to be done. Sadly, because Rodgers held the team hostage, they have largely tied themselves to a goalpost from a financial standpoint.

On another site I said if Rodgers won't retire this year the team should look for a trade(Jets?) and failing that, simply cut him. Financially it's suicide, but how else do you move forward? Consider this: Rodgers returns as does Jordan Love. Love sits on the bench another year. Both Rodgers and Love become free agents in 2025. I doubt Love will want to wait that long and likely would force a trade. Then 40+ year old Rodgers retires and the team has a practice squad dude to lead the team or a washed up retread. The Packers have invested heavily to train Love, and from a limited sample, it appears he's come around.

If the Packers bring back Rodgers, they should consider trading Love this off season and use the extra top pick to find the next QB candidate. That's a bit counter productive but Rodgers would likely feel less threatened this time around.

I guess as fans we shouldn't worry about this, but the team is literally being held hostage by all the contracts they have and they have no one to blame for that except themselves.

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PackyCheese500's picture

January 15, 2023 at 07:56 pm

I could not care less what Rodgers is smoking. I think it doesn't make sense for the team to bring him back. Agree that Jets could be a foremost trade destination

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:49 pm

It may not make sense, but Murphy, Gutey, and MaLF all want him back, and even if they didn't, he has all the power. Unless he asks for a trade, he's not going anywhere soon. In fact, we could be in the exact same boat this time next year.

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Coldworld's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:11 am

Actually we will be worse off, and that’s the point.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:59 am

Oh, I get it Cw... I don't like it. I can't control it. There's nothing we can do about it.

This isn't 1025 AD, so we can't storm the castle.

I would definitely support a Gutey coup attempt though.

Murphy should've been fired for the way he handled the TT situation. He should've been fired for implementing his BS organizational structure. He should've been fired for meddling in Football Operations, period.

"We're not idiots." is probably Murphy's most memorable quote, and yet, probably the least true quote in Packer history! SMH

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:46 am

It is instructional to see what a playoff team can do with Mr. Irrelevant, the 3rd stringer playing with a productive run game, solid O line, attacking D, solid STs and effective, imaginative, inspired coaching.

How would Jordan Love perform as QB of the Niners?

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:08 am

Deebo, Aiyuk and Kittle make that offense move. The Packer O line is questionable at best with the draft selections. Will Jenkins earn his Contract? OT is a draft priority in Rd one or two.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:45 am

Kyle Shanahan makes that offense move. Kittle was a 5th round pick, Deebo is a gadget player who mostly catches screens and takes handoffs, and Aiyuk is a srcondary player on that offense. Shanahan is an absolute guru. If only Rodgers had bought into Lafleur's offense from day 1, the Packers couldve had an offense like that which is probly the biggest reason I despise him now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 15, 2023 at 02:39 pm

LaFleur may have the Playsheet, but he doesn't know how to use it. When the 49rs want all-n they get playmakers onboard. McCafferty is a spark plug.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 15, 2023 at 05:44 pm

Sure he does. We know it cuz weve seen it back in 2019 and 2020. But now hes only allowed to call plays that Rodgers approves of after he got neutered by Murphy. That was the real result of Rodgers' holdout. It was all about control over the offense and 12 got it. And the offense has only gone downhill since then. Dont take this as a defense of Lafleur's job overall as a head coach cuz thats not what this is. Im simply defending his scheme and his ability as a playcaller. We were promised an illusion of complexity and thanks to Rodgers all we got for our money was an illusion of competency.

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Rhiller's picture

January 15, 2023 at 03:00 pm

Could you just imagine how Rodgers would perform on the 49ers.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 15, 2023 at 05:47 pm

It would be the same bs weve dealt with here. Running game becomes an afterthought and player/coach jockeying for control over the offense. Hiring Lafleur was supposed to be our version of the San Fran offense. 5 minutes after they hired him, Rodgers took to Kenny Mayne's show to publicly bitch about the lack of audibles and not wanting to feel like a game manager. Hasnt stopped fighting for more control over said offense ever since. Weve already lived that nightmare. Rodgers going to San Fran wouldnt be any different.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:47 am

Bruce, nice questions you raised here.

The bigger the ego, the greater the fear of failure within the person. Ego is nothing else than defense mechanism vs fears inside the person. He tells you that you are near or completely perfect and all your failures are really the failures of others, not yours.

"I have a lot of pride in what I've accomplished in this league, but I'm also a realist and I understand where we are as a team.", he said on press conference. Why? We all knows that. He didn't need to say that. Who he is trying to convince in that fact (because this is the fact!). If you'll think about that statement little deeper, you'll find out that it was his need to say that to himself, to justify to himself, not to others.

Same you can take on his statement about money he would left if he retires.

What fear can produce in person? Complete block on your capabilities and doubt in yourself (like should I toss the ball harder or lighter, should I toss the ball to this or to that receiver, what will D do, etc. To translate better - will I throw the ball to Allen Lazard or ESB or to DA, AL & ESB might drop it, so I should throw to Davante, he will find a way to catch it!)

This is basic psychology. Nothing complicated. My own life experience comes to that solution. I had huge Ego when I was young. I achieved a lot, but never on top. Because of that I was punished by life a lot. Losing perspective and making crucial mistakes. And one day I stood in front of the mirror. And start to talk to myself, using logic, not emotion and slowly I started to understand what my Ego did to me. It was slow and painfull process, lasted at least one year if not longer. I started to listen to others about myself. And I was surprised. All of them saying what I felt in myself, about my fear of be mistaken and how my mistakes makes anyone friendship hard to sustain. I had few friends who sticks with me during my Ego period. They were first to fire a lot of criticism on me.

Today, I am a person who is confident in himself, ready to admit a mistake or ignorance in an area that I have not studied or dealt with. It helps a lot for me to avoid crucial mistakes.

I established my company, have 16 employees and listen and learn from them in every aspect of their expertise which I do not know enough of it, refusing to listen others only when their opinion is in colision with my view what and how my company needs to work on the market.

We are receiving few offers monthly from people who wants to work for my company and that is the highest confirmation for me that I'm on the right path.

Thanks and apology for this long post.

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Guam's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:52 am

Point well made Croat and no apology necessary.

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Guam's picture

January 15, 2023 at 08:49 am

I think the author summed up Rodgers physical decline very well, but failed to tie it to the other half of the issue - his contract. Managing a salary cap is all about value - performance versus pay. Rodgers is the highest paid player in the league but performed at an average NFL QB level in 2022. And that value proposition won't get better in 2023 as his contract continues to escalate and he will be another year older and another year in decline.

If Rodgers were paid significantly less it might make sense to "play it again" as the additional cap space could build a stronger team around him. But the Packers are stuck with the highest paid player in the league and he is no longer elite. Rodgers is the reason the Packers will not contend for a Super Bowl for the remainder of his contract - too large a percentage of the cap invested in a guy who can no longer play at an elite level.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:11 am

"If Rodgers were paid significantly less it might make sense to "play it again" as the additional cap space could build a stronger team around him. "

And that's just it. The confluence of a QB who regularly needs to have his standing propped up and validated by having his contract at the top of his position and a team unwilling to make the hard business decisions has put the Packers in this spot.

Many think that those who want to see change do so because they "hate Aaron Rodgers". I don't hate Aaron Rodgers. I hate the nature of the relationship between the organization and the player and what it's doing to the competitiveness of the team now. There's no place for 'loyalty' in sports--the Packers have shown their loyalty repeatedly by choosing 12 over other options or in his conflicts time and again, and by paying him handsomely. Loyalty does nothing but give you an old, underperforming, and expensive roster.

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Guam's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:29 am

Precisely Dobber. I have been labeled a "Rodgers hater" as well and that is simply not the case. This is a business decision about value to the organization and Murphy blew it last year when he could have exchanged an aging and expensive asset for a host of younger, developing assets that would have greatly strengthened the Packer's future.

Murphy failed to learn from Wolf and Thompson - move them a year too early rather than a year too late. And now the Packers and their fans pay the price.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:09 am

Sadly, Murphy is in a different position and in a different power structure from Wolf and Thompson. The accountability is hazy and diffuse. He gets to play, but who is going to fire him when his decisions go to poop?

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Coldworld's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:13 am

Clearly no one because they have

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:43 am

Well said dobber.
The Packers have the second highest payroll in the NFL and in a business sense, we are not getting a bang for the buck.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:47 am

I hate Aaron Rodgers. Not blindly tho. He's more than earned it and continues to do so every time he steps on a football field or talks publicly.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:15 am

Guam,
Perfectly explained & unfortunately extraordinarily true!

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PeteK's picture

January 15, 2023 at 12:31 pm

If Rod took 10 million less per year, we would have kept Adams and his 1500 yds, 65 FDs, and 14 TDS. That type of production might have kept Pack home resting this week. However, it's a tough decision for Rodgers since he only made 300 mill already. Blame falls squarely on front office for letting Rogers dictate that absurd contract.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:17 am

I think every writer here has now had their chance to write a "move on" article.

It's time CHTV moved on.

How about the old, "2022 positional review" articles we used to have? I would like to see those over this self-flagellation.

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Since'61's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:28 am

Ding, ding, ding, Case of Cookies for Dobber!!! Finally we have a winner!!!
Until what you suggest happens I'm going to remain on sabbatical.
I just jumped in now because you are spot on Dobber as usual!
Thanks, Since '61

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Minniman's picture

January 16, 2023 at 02:34 am

I’d like to see articles on tactics that the successful playoff teams are employing that the Packers aren’t (or forgot this season).

Having had the time to catch most of the wildcard games, here’s a couple of observations:

The shovel pass is a legitimate weapon now.

Fullbacks are coming back into vogue.

Rugby ruck and maul is effective as a short yardage earner.

Direct snaps to RB’s and players in motion is effective.

Kirk Cousins is good for 3 brain-farts per game (sorry, I couldn’t resist that one!)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 16, 2023 at 04:38 am

Sorry, but I have at least one more article coming regarding what should and/or is likely to happen in 2023 and why. It will have lots of numbers and few opinions as to AR's quality of play in 2022.

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Coldworld's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:25 am

Good, because that reality is unfortunately critical to any understanding of the current situation.

This year we have been analyzing positions and players all season. What position group remains to be dissected? As a result if the way the season played out, we didn’t get to see a lot of new faces late and most that we did were clearly overdue.

The other difference this year is that I suspect that the real issue for the majority is a lack of faith in the coaches, individually and collectively, outside of Bissacia probably. How much of any position group has not been dissected and, truthfully, which do we we feel were clearly more players than coaching? That’s not a question I have asked team wide in a very long time and one I hoped not to have to.

Everything else comes back to the direction the leadership is going and that starts with Rodgers and a small group of players and what happens regarding them. The rookie class looks promising, but it’s still too early to be certain. Everything pivots in what Murphy intends to do at this point. Even the draft appraisal process is going to be heavily driven by that.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:24 am

Bring on the draft articles.

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dobber's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:55 am

Player grades?

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:16 am

Why? We all know who played like crap and who didn't. We all know our young guys are going to step up and make a jump or they won't. (Only time will tell...)

Free Agency articles aren't necessary either, since we can't afford a popcorn fart...

The only thing this fanbase has to look forward to is the draft. I would rather see 400 individual articles on every player in the draft than rehash a BS season or look at FAs we can't afford, but that's just me...

;P

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4thdown's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:45 am

I guess I dont understand why the Packers drafted JL. Not only drafted him but MOVED UP to do so. They had just signed AR to a contract extension and at that time I thought getting him some help would be the thing to do. What that did was stir up a hornets nest, Also IMHO thats what drove AR to refocus and lite up the league again. (At least in the regular season). If any of you have ever been replaced by a younger version you know how that feels. Nobody is immune to that feeling. But anyway here we are. I will answer my own question with the reason they drafted JL is to take the time to develop him. How many Rookies have we seen crash and burn getting thrown to the wolves right away? The Covid year (2020) he got 0 experience. No preseason and he didn't even suit up. In 2021 after AR had his hissy fit with the team JL did get some snaps in preseason with the back ups and he wasnt ready. No surprise there. But then in the offseason AR stayed away. This is when the tide turned for JL . Now hes running with the ones all the time until AR decided to come in. He also got a ton of snaps during the week when AR was hurting. Now what I was hearing from the players that are with him every day is that the kid can play. Then came the Philly game. Yes a short sample size but this wasnt the guy I had seen before. This was a guy that had been practicing with the ones and gaining there trust. Isnt this how you develop a player? (See Rashan Gary) Will JL be AR at his best? No I dont think so. Who will? Can JL be AR that we see today? Yes. Its time to rip the band aid off and move on. Will there be growing pains? For sure. Just remember. AR won 6 game his first year. BF won 8. It takes time and the time is now.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 15, 2023 at 12:11 pm

"What that did was stir up a hornets nest, Also IMHO thats what drove AR to refocus and lite up the league again. (At least in the regular season). If any of you have ever been replaced by a younger version you know how that feels. Nobody is immune to that feeling."

No, drafting Jordan Love did not stir up hornets nest. As I can recolect, Jordan Love was drafted in the 2020 draft. "Hornets nest" was stirred up before 2021 draft. The answer why that happened is the reason I believe Jordan Love may have successful career in NFL. "Hornets nest" found out that Jordan Love have a lot of talent and that in 2-3 years he might replace "Hornets nest" at the position. If that was not the case.. "Hornets nest" would be uniterested and calm. All this shit is because of the fear of real posibility "Hornets nest" might be replaced with posibly more talented younger player.

That was the reason why "Hornet nest" are so keen to play injured and do not allow Jordan Love to show what he can.

Fear is ugly thing. Fear can make the best one wimp in a second.

After all that was Vince Lombardi was preaching from the first day he become Packers coach - start to believe in yourself that you can do whatever is necessary and work hard to achieve that what you believe...

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Hannahrm's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:10 am

I want to see Love run a MLF offense, since Rodgers won’t. Then and only then, will we truly see what this offense can do. Right now, Rodgers Is holding this team hostage, running his offense.

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 15, 2023 at 10:19 am

I want to see Love run a Shanahan offense. MaLF sucks as a play designer/play caller... ;P

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Hannahrm's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:05 am

MLF’s offense is a strong variation of Shanahan’s.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 15, 2023 at 12:14 pm

No, judging by MLF personality his offense is weak variation of Shanahan's...

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

January 15, 2023 at 05:50 pm

Lafleur was fine in 2019 and 2020. Team played hard and disciplined. MLF yelled at Rodgers regularly. Then 12 heldout and MLF got neutered by Murphy. Its all been downhill ever since. Thanks Mark Murphy.

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Coldworld's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:44 am

I would like to buy into that, but MLF has been out prepared and out coached consistently thorough out his tenure and has proved to be an abysmal evaluator and manager of talent off the field and on. While once I would have supported that notion, I no longer believe that he can lead any team to success it otherwise wouldn’t have achieved despite him. No settling for third and fourth chances, that’s what he does and it’s not a recipe for success.

Clean house and get a coach with belief—that apparently means no Murphy. We talk a lot about the confidence in Love or lack thereof illustrated by what this team does. What does Murphy’s treatment of LaFleur tell you about his faith in LaFleur’s system and abilities to deliver? What does LaFleur accepting the scenario that you paint tell you about his faith in himself? Do you think players don’t pick up on such things?

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Packerpasty's picture

January 16, 2023 at 06:11 pm

zero proof your opinion only...many times he runs the plays called and then bitches about them..MLF is not a quality HQ...soft and the team sees that and plays with not much heart..

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MEO73's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:17 am

Giving a 4 year deal to the back to back MVP with 3 straight 13 win seasons was not a surprise--especially when the QB is the most important position in football, if not all of sports. I suspect they know what they have in Love, which is why they were willing to go "all in" with Rodgers, just like they knew what they had in Rodgers when they allowed Favre to walk. Rodgers, playing with a broken throwing hand thumb, a cracked rib (tho later in the season), a new offensive coordinator, the loss of his WR1, mostly rookies to throw to, and a rotating O line, still managed a statistically average season and was one win away from a play off berth. The NFL is a win now league. The FO knows that. If Rodgers has another declining season next year, that will be a different story. But with everything that happened this year, to cut him loose now would probably be a bad idea and certainly makes little sense.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 15, 2023 at 12:24 pm

You forgot Salary cap issue. If they trade ACR this coming trade period they can save more than 20 mill $. If he will be on the team this season he will cost 31 mill $, and if he will be traded after June 1st, dead money will be 60-65 mill $, but than if he retires 2024, trade him next off season or cut him, dead money SC hit is more than 90 mill $. That hit they can split over 2 years (2024 & 2025).

If they trade ACR this off season, cap hit is 40 mill $ and that is all. No more dead money, except those 40 mill $.

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Qoojo's picture

January 15, 2023 at 12:38 pm

I was ready to move on after loss in playoffs last season. As mentioned, this year was subpar even before the thumb injury. Most notable is many balls fall short or off target drastically. AR looks slow and indecisive in the pocket. Then it's clear he has lost a lot of his mobility. A lot of his past success was based on his mobility to extend plays, and he simply doesn't have that ability any more.

To properly utilize a less mobile aging QB, you need a running game, good OL to keep him clean, and good defense. You also need a QB that recognizes that he is not the rock star of the offense. A team wants the experience and fewer mistakes from old QBs. I don't think AR will ever accept that he is not the entire offense, and will continue to walk all over MLF and the entire organization. With AR as the QB, the dysfunction will continue, and there is zero chance of success, because eventually it will come down to AR thinking he is 10 years younger.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 15, 2023 at 02:33 pm

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Tundraboy's picture

January 15, 2023 at 02:33 pm

Sobering to accept but the reality is he's 40 and there's a lot of wasted years but he had his final Swan song over the last couple of seasons. Even management squandering that for many years it was he that didn't take advantage of it when it counted. It is what it is.

Now if there's anyone like Brady that can have another great year he can, but we can't pay him $60 million to do that. It makes no sense. Love needs to play and we can't afford to pay Rogers that type of money to be a part tiime player so I guess he's going to be like Favre then move on to the Jets or someone else.

Now with all that said and given who we have running the show that almost assures us that he's going to be playing one more year in GB.

It was up to me given the roster we have I would draft a whole ton of offensive lineman very large fast ones and start Love next year keep Jones and see what happens. Yeah I know it's a pipe dream but it does seem to be a logical thing to do.

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SinceLombardi's picture

January 15, 2023 at 05:59 pm

I think the biggest change in Rodgers was Davante Adams .

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Coldworld's picture

January 16, 2023 at 09:50 am

The problem with that, and there’s considerable merit to it, is that Adams and Rodgers was repeatedly shown not to be the answer when it matters and before the cap started to truly bite into what is around them. In the regular season, yes, but Rodgers isn’t paid that much for that: he’s paid at a level that demands real contention. What Adams did was make our coaching look competent beyond what was really apparent.

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jont's picture

January 17, 2023 at 09:51 am

Yes, but not just Adams. Going into the season GB had a bottom of the league receiver room, and it really didn't get a whole lot better as the season went on. Watson certainly had a very good second half but beyond that, what? Which receiver made a difference in any game?

Last year we all lamented that there was no #2 behind Devante, and this past season the Pack tried to go without even a #1. Disaster.

Next year, what do you see? I see hope (and not much more than hope) that Watson and Doubs grow. Still a below average room.

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Rossonero's picture

January 15, 2023 at 09:12 pm

I was here a year ago saying trade him and sell high for a boatload of picks.

Here we are a year later hoping the same thing. Will Gutey do it? MLF won't, I think most of us can agree on that. MLF just looks at next season, but Gutey has to look at the next 10 years for the franchise itself.

Say what you will about Ted Thompson (RIP), but he had the balls the trade Favre away after Rodgers sat for 3 years. He was looking out for the Packers from a long-term perspective. And oh by the way, Thompson traded Favre away after Favre led the Packers to the 2007 NFC Championship game.

We just missed the playoffs. There is NO comparison.

It's time. Rip the band-aid off. Otherwise this team will go down in flames, just like the Saints did when they held onto Brees for too long.

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jwolfie's picture

January 16, 2023 at 01:33 am

Uh, you don't have an accurate read of what went down with Favre, buddy. If Favre had not waffled about retiring, Ted Thompson would have had Favre in the starting slot - at least until Brett showed enough of a decline that Rodgers would look like the better option. When Favre gave the team the impression that he was actually done they had no choice but to go with Rodgers. Then Favre, late in the year, decided to come back. Well Ted then said that Favre could compete for the job. Favre wasn't going to settle for that. Brett then said "release me". The Packers weren't going to do that because they wouldn't get anything in return. THAT"S when they traded him. So the current situation with Rodgers is not similar to the Favre situation. Rodgers had one down year - a year which saw a lot of challenges, including the loss of an elite receiver, the introduction of rookie receivers, a mess of an offensive line, a terrible kickoff returner, a defense that did not consistently perform to considerably higher expectations, and yes, an injured thunb (let's see how well you or anyone throws with an injured thumb).

Why is it that people seem to so easily forget that previous to this season (a season with so much upheaval) Aaron was the TWO-TIME DEFENDING MVP??? What do you think would have happened this year if Davante stayed, the offensive line had as good a year as last year, and Aaron had not been injured? Can you honestly say that Aaron definitely wouldn't have had another great season?? If you say "yes", what's your evidence?

By the way, prior to Tom Brady winning the Super bowl with the Buccaneers, he had a bad season or two as well. I can remember people , including sportscasters, saying Brady was done.

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Rossonero's picture

January 16, 2023 at 05:46 am

Fair enough, Favre forced Ted's hand. Either way, he's not playing at an MVP level anymore. He never passed for over 300 yds this past season, and he's not nearly as mobile either. He's also clearly not running MLF's offense anymore and has too much sway over what MLF wants to do (and MLF deserves blame for letting him do that).

He's holding this franchise back with this massive contract. We can't sign anyone else when
you're paying one guy $58M in 2023. We need to stop going "all in" and losing. You have to look at things long-term. .Trade now while he still has value, or go down with the ship.

Btw, Tom Brady is an outlier. Rodgers is not Brady.

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vin0770's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm

17 games and AR never showed the magic of what we grew accustomed too, dropping 3-5 of those game changing dimes, never happened. So I think that’s the answer going forward, what we saw for the entire year is what it is. Is it that hard to call it what it is? He’s lost that part of special.

So if you want more of AR you are totally believing this entire year was the one off and he’ll be 40 next year and back to special….because?

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 15, 2023 at 11:18 pm

Because we don't have a damn choice. If he shows up, he's getting almost $60 million next year to play for the Packers and there's no way to stop him unless he retires or requests a trade. Murphy has made it plain he's "not an idiot" even though I personally think otherwise.

Gutey could go rouge and trade him I guess, but Murphy would have a conniption fit if he did.

We're just waiting to hear AR12 is coming back next season, and the chances of that not happening are slim to none. AR12 will be our QB until he says he's not. Facts of life as a Packer fan the season or two, all depending on AR12.

This is his world and organization. We're just living in it and rooting for the Packers...

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jwolfie's picture

January 16, 2023 at 01:46 am

...of what we grew accustomed TO, ...

Its' simple, Vin.... you don't get rid of a guy that was the MVP OF THE LEAGUE in 2020 AND 2021 just because he had one down year. When you consider all the challenges he faced -losing his number one receiver who is widely considered the best in the league, an offensive line that was a mess, a terrible kick returner, a thumb injury on his throwing hand (let's see how well YOU or anyone throws with an injured thunb), having to throw a lot to ROOKIES and no stars, and a defense that performed WELL below expectations... it shouldn't be surprising that he didn't have a good season.

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jwolfie's picture

January 16, 2023 at 01:05 am

The guy that wrote this needs a proofreader. Somebody help him!

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Lphill's picture

January 16, 2023 at 05:43 am

Watching other teams we see plays run and wonder why the Packers don’t do that , a lot of motion , why not line up Watson in the backfield with Jones to confuse the defense , jumbo package on the goal line , do the packers have a jumbo package or is it just Jones running into the middle for a loss , it’s not so much Brock Purdy as it is I believe solid coaching on SF at every level they can plug and play , the Packers can’t , how many times do we have to say MLF was out coached ?

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BirdDogUni's picture

January 16, 2023 at 10:03 am

"... how many times do we have to say MLF was out coached ?"

Apparently, every %'in time...

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Tundraboy's picture

January 18, 2023 at 12:43 am

How many games have there been where MLF has out coached the opposition? Has to be a rarity. Anyone tracking that record?

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Leatherhead's picture

January 16, 2023 at 10:26 am

We drafted Love to be the starting QB of the Packers. He's done his apprenticeship. It's time to move forward with the plan the organization has been working on for years.

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TXCHEESE's picture

January 17, 2023 at 09:47 am

I sometimes ask myself if Rodgers' tea sipping had anything to do with his decline. Realizing he did have a hand injury and that had obviously played a part. But does the ayahuasca have any long term effects....maybe causing some debilitation of reflexes, both mental and physical. It seems like this year he didn't see the field as efficiently as in the past.

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