Year 3 Jump for Jonathan Garvin will Go a Long Way

With the unknowns surrounding the edge rusher depth, a Year 3 jump for Jonathan Garvin will go a long way for the Green Bay Packers.

On the Green Bay Packers roster are two of the more productive edge rushers in football during the 2021 season. Both Rashan Gary and Preston Smith would finish in the top-10 in pressures generated, according to PFF, with Gary also finishing second in pass-rush win rate and Smith 16th.

However, beyond those two, there are some question marks. Back in April, OLB coach Jason Rebrovich told reporters that he wants a rotation of four edge rushers each week that he can rely on. And right now, those roles are very much up for grabs.

Edge rusher -- and getting after the quarterback in general -- is one of the most important roles in all of football, but it's also a heavily rotated one as well. As good as Smith and Gary are, both were on the field for roughly 68% of the defensive snaps last season, which means having a reliable rotation is key, considering that about one-third of the defensive snaps each week will happen with those two on the sidelines.

When Smith and Gary weren't on the field in 2021, there was a noticeable lack of impact plays against both the pass and run. And while there is always going to be some dropoff going from these two to whoever the third and fourth options are, as Rebrovich also pointed out, the level of play from the depth players has to improve. After all, there is a reason why Green Bay felt the need to sign Whitney Mercilus after he was released by Houston.

Competing for those rotational roles this summer will be Tipa Galeai, Jonathan Garvin, Kingsley Enagbare, Randy Ramsey, La'Darius Hamilton, Chauncey Manac, and Kobe Jones.

Enagbare comes with plenty of upside as a pass rusher, but he is also a fifth-round rookie, so to some degree, expectations should be tempered. However, when it comes to Garvin, he brings upside as well, along with experience as he enters his third NFL season. 

As a former seventh-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, Garvin is still just 22 years old and played nearly 400 snaps in his second season. Given where he was selected, that in itself is a success.

Last season, Garvin would record 25 pressures and two sacks. In terms of pass rush win rate -- or simply, how often the pass rusher beats the blocker -- Garvin ranked 76th out of 121 eligible edge rushers. By PFF's run-stop rate, Garvin ranked 119th out of 133 edge rushers.

Again, there isn't much that leaped off the page or screen when looking at Garvin's 2022 season, but he is a former seventh-round pick who was in only his second season and saw his first bit of extended playing time. So it's not as if anyone should be smashing the panic button either--and I'll say again, he is a former seventh-round selection.

With that said, given the unknowns at the edge rusher position and that Garvin is entering his third NFL season and second in Joe Barry's defense, if he can take a decent sized step forward, which many successful NFL players do in their second and third seasons, it will go a long way in solidifying this position.

Garvin brings a blend of athleticism and power to the position, posting a RAS of 8.98 coming out of Miami, excelling specifically in the vertical and broad jumps. In an article by Bill Huber of SI from last summer, he would write that former OLB coach Mike Smith would call Garvin's power "grown man strength" and that David Bakhtiari had once told Smith that he struggles against Garvin's power.

Garvin has the physical tools needed to be a successful player, and as Smith notes below, he is also incredibly intelligent. Now, after last season, he has experience as well. The next step is that the Green Bay Packers need him to put it all together so that the upside he possesses shows up on the film and in the stat sheet, which will ultimately provide stability to a rotational position with question marks.

“Garvin’s a damn good football player,” Mike Smith said last August via SI. “The one thing I love about him is he knows who he is. He’s not going to go out there and try to be flashy and do all this finesse stuff. It’s his strength. You can ask any of those offensive linemen; they struggle with him. There’s a lot of things that we’ve got to clean up with him, and he’s still learning – a lot like Rashan was his first year – but he’s going to be a damn good football player. One of the smartest, if not the smartest, in the room. Picks up things very, very fast. He’s going to have a great career. Just love his demeanor. I want to see his birth certificate. I think he’s 35. He’s got an old soul. But he’s going to be a good player. He’s still got a lot of growing to do, but he’s going to be a special player in this league.”

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Born and raised in Green Bay, WI and I still call it home. After my family, watching the Packers, sharing my opinions on the team through my writing and interacting with other fans is my greatest passion. You can find me on Twitter at @Paul_Bretl. 
 

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PeteK's picture

May 27, 2022 at 11:51 am

Garvin is a keeper in the reserve role. If Tipa could beef up a bit, he might also eat up some snaps. However, I think with all the talent that we have at DT; we could see some of those players being used as DEs ( 5 scheme) especially on running downs and vs teams that like to do the same.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 27, 2022 at 02:41 pm

Do not be surprised to see Barry go with 4-2 heavy looks and some 4-3 with DE/Elephants. Garvin can be an elephant in their scheme and he seemed to be picking up his game before injury. Clark and Reed can move around inside and they have the heavy sets with Slaton and Ford inside. Gary and P.Smith can go hand-in-ground as DEs or stand up and Lowry. Montgomery has the personnel to run his stunt schemes now and give the defense the flexibility to go multiple with Walker as an additional blitzer off the SLB/MLB. Engabare seems to fit the elephant mode as well. Tipa at around 235-240 LB will be fine as a Pass Rusher for the long downs. You don't want to slow him down. Why stay the same, be dynamic. Should be a lot of fun for the D.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 27, 2022 at 08:44 pm

It's semantics but in a 3-4 base the nickel is considered a 2-4-5, in a 4-3 it's a 4-2-5. Last year the 2-4-5 was the most used formation by far for the Packers. They played no snaps in 4-2-5 and under 50 in a 4-3-4(probably short yardage). There's a good breakdown here:

http://thekneeldown.westus.cloudapp.azure.com/

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:09 pm

With Gary, Smith, Garvin or Lowry/Engbare hand-on-ground it becomes a 4-2. On run sets he showed some 5-2/heavy sets. He can run true 4-3 with this group of players: Gary-Clark-Reed-Lowry on the turf with Barnes, Campbell and Walker/P.Smith as the LBs. He could show 4-4-3 with Amos in the box or Carpenter; Trips zone for the CBs. He should be scheming in his dreams.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 28, 2022 at 09:31 pm

That's why I said semantics, those guys are listed as OLBs. So when snaps are counted that's where they're counted. There's no difference real difference between a 3-4 2-4-5 and a 4-3 4-2-5 except where the Edge guys are counted. A 4-3-4 would be a short yardage set because there's actually 6 guys at the LOS.

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PatrickGB's picture

May 27, 2022 at 03:10 pm

“” If Tipa could beef up a bit, he might also eat up some snaps.” I saw what you did there. 😉 I like the idea of including him as a DT in certain situations. He sure seems to have the strength for it.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:47 pm

All those DTs besides maybe Slaton and Ford will play DE, it's an IDL spot. I think maybe you meant we might see Garvin or Enagbare playing inside like Z did.

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mnbadger's picture

May 27, 2022 at 12:27 pm

If what you're saying is true, he may really break out this year with all of the other potential playmakers in the mix. Damn, I can't wait! GPG!

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mnbadger's picture

May 27, 2022 at 12:28 pm

sorry, fat finger duplicate.
GPG!

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Leatherhead's picture

May 27, 2022 at 01:21 pm

Garvin played over 20 snaps/game on defense....about 1/3 of the snaps. I thought he played well and helped the team, and I distinctly remember him foiling a fake punt....... and that's something I haven't seen a lot of Packers do.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 30, 2022 at 01:25 am

Garvin was somewhat below average, imo. I like what Coach Smith said about him, though.

I thought it was interesting that Andy Herman listed letting Coach Smith leave for Minnesota as one of the off season mistakes made by the Packers, though he rightly noted that letting Smith leave might mean being able to recruit another good coach in the future. Teams need to think long-term, not just short-term.

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greengold's picture

May 30, 2022 at 01:59 am

I like that. Players & coaches make note of how teams have treated predecessors. Take care of your people, and they’ll take care of you. Found that an unexpected, positive spin. He was great here, and I’ll miss his pressers.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 27, 2022 at 02:23 pm

I have hope for Garvin to bring more to the table this season.

I also am looking forward to Randy Ramsey getting healthy and contributing.

I believe that Enagbare may contribute as well.

I have much less faith in Tipa - just too light in the loafers - or Alexander Hamilton Burr Washington-or whatever.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 27, 2022 at 08:52 pm

Leonard Floyd played 932 snaps for the Rams last year at 240 lbs. The question with Tipa isn't weight it's whether he's explosive enough to consistently beat the OT to the edge.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 28, 2022 at 07:05 am

Tipa listed at 6'5" and 229.

The guy is a beanpole and gets pushed around, I don't care how "explosive" he is, lacking GREAT gains in weight and strength while maintaining his speed and agility it is time to "explode" him off the roster and make room for better developmental prospects.

He has had a couple years to build his physique to NFL standards based upon the opponents he has to face in order to succeed at his position. Tick Tock...

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:25 pm

They don't change those listings yearly like they should. They said he was at 238 in training camp last year.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:00 pm

That would be his current weight. I like his lean and get to. He just has to be aware of the RB on the set and release to the flats he needs to Check/ push them into the QB. I liked him at Utah State.

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NickPerry's picture

May 28, 2022 at 06:16 am

I think Enagbare contributes too, I mean the kid did pretty well in the SEC against some pretty good tackles the last 2 seasons. He's strong and has violent hands, that's what I read about him on every site it seems.

Personally I think he was a steal in the 5th and it would surprise me a bit if Garvin and Enagbare make up Pass Rush Duo #2, and actually have some success.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 27, 2022 at 02:43 pm

Thanks for that info Paul!

I have had interest in Garvin since the Packers have had him. Well aware there is talent and he is unusually young with upside. Had no idea of Smiths comments, or his unusual strength. If Bachtiari says he struggles with Garvins strength man that is an endorsement. Love it!

Sounds to me that Kingsley & Garvin are clones of one another. Both 22 years old and known for their strength vs speed & speed getting around the corner. Both 6'4" and 258 lbs. Only difference is Garvin is entering year 3 with experience vs Kingsley as a rookie. Hopefully, we have something with both of these players. My main reason at the time with the Packers using the #53 & 59 in round 2 for Watson was the Packers missed using one of those picks for a talented Rdge rusher. Just maybe they got an elite WR in Watson, and upcoming ER's in Garvin & Kingsley. Hoping!

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bjkdad44's picture

May 27, 2022 at 04:18 pm

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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PatrickGB's picture

May 27, 2022 at 03:05 pm

Thanks for the write up. I must rewatch some of the Packers games that I recorded. I did not note anything special from Gavin while watching the game the first time. This player is one of those I ignored. My eyes were drawn to the ball, not the players who were rushing unless they got a sack, TFL or missed a tackle. That’s on me. I love these articles that go further in depth and comments from coaches and people who do evaluations as well as my fellow fans on this site.

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greengold's picture

May 27, 2022 at 11:07 pm

OLB Jonathan Garvin - Miami 6-4 263 34” arms

(2017-2019) 106 TACKLES 29 TFL 12.5 SACKS 5 PD 4 FR 3FF

In 2018 alone, he had 60 TACKLES 17 TFL 5.5 SACKS 5 PD 2 FR 1 TD

In Garvin’s advanced metrics, his speed scores are nothing special, mid 40s percentile. But, 83rd percentile in Burst Score. The Packers love BURST, EXPLOSION off the line. How many of our DL are talent rich in this quality? All of them.

Last year for the Packers he had 16 solo tackles, 1.5 sacks, 15 QB Pressures and 1 TFL a new only 1 missed tackles.

I like him to build on that this year. I like Ramsey if he can prove available. I like Tipa too. All 3 are entering Year 3 in there development?

OLB Kingsley Enagbare - South Carolina 6-4 258 35” arms with a 83 5/8” wingspan posted a low 40 time, resulting in a drop from a firm R2-R3 projection to our R5 Pick #179. I think he’ll be a steal, with that great size, burst to play Edge or 5T just like Z. He’s got violent hands.

120 TACKLES 24 TFL 15 SACKS 4 PD 1 FR 3 FF

Enagbare was one of the highest graded pass rushers in all of college football last year according to PFF. He generated pressure on 15.7% of opponent drop backs last year, ranking #9 overall in FBS, and #2 in the SEC.

While his 40 wasn’t tops, it still ranked in the 87th percentile at 4.87. His BURST? 98th percentile. Agility 70th percentile.

He also already has a wide array of pass rushing moves. Hot motor ALL DAY. Enagbare never takes a play off. EXPLOSIVE with great closing speed.

Enagbare’s PASS RUSH in the 100th percentile. He had 45 QB Pressures in 2021.

He looks 100% NFL ready. I’m confident he’ll prove to be another R5 steal by Gutekunst.

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NickPerry's picture

May 28, 2022 at 06:28 am

"OLB Kingsley Enagbare - South Carolina 6-4 258 35” arms with a 83 5/8” wingspan posted a low 40 time, resulting in a drop from a firm R2-R3 projection to our R5 Pick #179. I think he’ll be a steal, with that great size, burst to play Edge or 5T just like Z. He’s got violent hands."

I think Engabare will be a lot like like Z as well greengold. The dude is strong, has great burst, and those violent hands. Pair him with Garvin and maybe Jarron Reed and Devonte Wyatt, and you have a 2nd line that is probably better than several starting 4-somes, and 4 guys who will literally push the o-line into the QB's face in 2 seconds.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:12 pm

All- SEC in 2020.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:54 pm

Like that scenario NP. My god we may have a top 5 defense! When was the last time that happened?

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greengold's picture

May 29, 2022 at 12:23 am

#5 overall in 2010.

#1 overall in 1996.

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PeteK's picture

May 28, 2022 at 08:42 am

Thanks for the breakdown. I'm comfortable in that position as we have some viable options as backups while some teams are looking at similar players as starters.

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greengold's picture

May 29, 2022 at 12:25 am

No kidding. Some good talent there.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 28, 2022 at 12:45 pm

Enagbare's agilities were poor, that's why he fell. The most telling testing numbers for Edge guys are the 3-cone and SS and his 7.51 3-cone was bad. Really bad. The DT they picked up this week, Slayton, had a better 3-cone and outweighs him by 50 lbs.

Maybe he's an outlier like Za'darius but I wouldn't bet on it. Hopefully he can become a decent backup. Jeffrey Gunter made more sense to me there. Strong as an ox, could come in and be a plus vs the run right off the bat with the plus athleticism to build on.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:17 pm

They had three chances for Gunter, but passed?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 28, 2022 at 01:25 pm

Thanks GG & NIck!

I did find the comparisons in age, height, weight like exact from Packers.com. Be very interesting to watch how these two develop. GG's information was very interesting! LLCHESTY, i hear you and those numbers are why Kingsley fell in the draft.

A guy like Chauncey Manac at Edge when you watch him he moves better and more fluid around the edge than guys like Kingsley & Garvin. However, when you look closer he is 6'3" and only 246 lbs, however the major downside is he is 24 years of age (same age as Wyatt) but Chauncey is a project and needs to develop further. Meaning he is already 2-years older than Garvin & Kingsley and likely has no where the strength. I do like his mobility though even though as I recall he is not overly fast in the 40.

Let's just hope we have at least one very good #3 Edge Rusher out of these three guys and a guy like Ramsey. We need at least one more very good Edge Rusher and will for sure need that player to step up this year.

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Vforrest's picture

May 30, 2022 at 10:53 am

I love little inside stories like this…Don’t even remember this guy, now I’ll be watching 👍🏼

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