Why The Packers Are A Playoff Team Without Aaron Rodgers

Aaron Rodgers hasn't reported yet, but even if he never shows up, the Packers should stll end up in the playoffs this year.

Let's start by saying quarterback is important position in the game.

And yes, Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the league.

But having the best quarterback doesn't mean you have the best team and will win the Super Bowl (otherwise Aaron Rodgers would have a dozen Lombardis).

Football is a team game. Last year teams quarterbacked by Mitch Trubisky, Jared Goff and Ryan Tannehill all went to the playoffs. Drew Brees, in such poor shape that he couldn't lob the ball much 20 yards with any mustard, even led his team to a 2 seed. Tyler Heinicke led a team that almost pulled off an upset against the eventual champs!

Quarterback is the most important position in the game, but it's not the sole determining factor of team success.

I know that some media chucklefaces like to spout nonsense like "the Packers are the worst team in the league without Aaron Rodgers."

I'm here to tell you that's simply not true.

The Packers, without Rodgers, could start Blake Bortles (who led a team to the AFCCC in a very similar offensive system) or Jordan Love (who has great talent and has been showing signs of improvement in OTAs).

Those guys won't play at Aaron Rodgers's level, but teams don't need a quarterback playing at an All Pro level to make the playoffs.

Drew Brees and Ryan Tannehill, for example, both had a lot of help from their respective running games.

The Packers have Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon, who might be the best tandem of running backs in the league.

They also have one of the deepest groups of tight ends in the league as well, with Pro Bowl snub Robert Tonyan and ageless wonder Marcedes Lewis grouped with young talents like Josiah Deguara and Jace Sternberger (even if he's suspended for the first two games).

The skill positions are rounded out with a receiving group that include the top receiver in the league in Davante Adams, along with an exciting rookie in Amari Rodgers, last season's leading deep threat in MVS, and some great big-bodied possession guys in Allen Lazard and Devin Funchess.

That's a lot of talent for any quarterback to work with, but let's not forget the key to any offense: the offensive line.

David Bakhtiari, the best lineman in the league, will be back at some point to man the blindside next to budding superstar Elgton Jenkins. Jon Runyan and Billy Turner are a solid duo penciled in on the right side and the Packers plugged their hole in the middle by drafting Josh Myers.

With average quarterback play, this offense can easily be in the top quarter of the league.

But don't forget about the defense.

Mitch Trubisky even made it to the playoffs with a good defense and the Packers unit looks like it's ready to take another step this offseason. 

The Packers defense played at a level good enough to get to the Super Bowl last year - change the outcome of a play or two on offense and defensive performance, including three second half takeaways, was plenty. They returned all their key contributors and added Eric Stokes (who could be the missing link to making the defense a truly elite unit) to upgrade the weak spot from the NFCCG and added a couple role players in TJ Slaton and Shemar Jean-Charles.

Kenny Clark anchors the line while the Smith Bros and Bane Gary are one of the better pass rush units in the league. With that front, an upgraded secondary featuring incredible speed, and a new coordinator with an aggressive mindset, there's no reason for this unit to underperform.

There are not a lot of team with a defense this talented, an offensive line this great, a run game this dynamic, a multi-faceted receiving group this diverse, and a head coach this brilliant. Without Aaron Rodgers, they still have one of the better rosters in the league.

This is a team game and the Packers have a very good team.

With a former playoff quarterback and a young, developing quarterback to choose from, the Packers should find themselves in the playoffs no matter what happens.

And once a team makes it to the dance, anything can happen...

 

 

Bruce Irons has played, coached, and studied football for decades. Author of books such as A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Draft, A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Salary Cap, and A Fan's Guide To NFL Free Agency Hits And Misses, Bruce contributes to CheeseHeadTV and PackersForTheWin.com.

Follow Bruce Irons on Twitter at @BruceIronsNFL.

 

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egbertsouse's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:17 am

In addition, this team will also go to Mars, cure cancer, and make the first cold fusion reactor.

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HarryHodag's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:28 am

The same thing was said when Favre was washed up.

(Sarcasm to follow, just so you know)

We all know that no one needs to block for Aaron Rodgers, no one needs to catch a pass from Aaron Rodgers, no one needs to run the ball for Aaron Rodgers, no one needs to tackle, break up passes or do any kicks.
The entire team is Aaron Rodgers and he's invincible.

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Since'61's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:22 pm

I certainly hope the part about cold fusion reactor is true.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Minniman's picture

June 14, 2021 at 12:45 am

yep - Sternberger's been road-testing the chemical concoction already, just to make sure.

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:01 pm

We can only hope.

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GBPDAN1's picture

June 15, 2021 at 08:37 pm

We have a hard schedule and Love will have growing pains in his first starting season. 12-13 wins and playoffs with Rodgers, 6-7 wins with Love and no playoffs

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JohnnyLogan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:28 am

Adams, Bakh, Jaire, Jenkins, Amos, Savage, Z., Tonyan, Jones... that's at least nine guys who are All-star players or close. Add in Gary, P. Smith, Lewis, and almost half your starting offense and defense are really good players. Hole at CB with King hopefully solved by a lightning-fast 1st round CB, and holes at LB and the DL aren't as serious as many think. This is a really good team, with depth.

Ground Hog Day with Rodgers is getting tiring. Win a lot of games, win the division lose in playoffs. Enough. Let's try something different. Get a King's ransom for Rodgers, put the kid in at QB, see what happens. Could be exciting. Certainly will be interesting.

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HarryHodag's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:29 am

Amen

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Fabio's picture

June 14, 2021 at 02:19 am

That's exactly what I've been saying for some time!
If Rodgers does not intend to meet the expiration of the contract he is an infamous (or any other adjective you prefer), but if it is Gute who does not want to reach the expiration instead it is fine !!!
The reality is that in these cases (with these differences) for both parties it becomes just business. So whoever is more able to frame the other wins. And in this case AR nailed Gute. he will probably retire .... and we will start from scratch (ZERO) ...... but with a lot of "love" for Gute

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Fabio's picture

June 14, 2021 at 02:21 am

I forgot ..... maybe without AR we will see even more in the field the "Dominant Defense that is coming" .... at least we will have fun

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:01 pm

Hear, hear!!

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Minniman's picture

June 14, 2021 at 12:58 am

The sad reality with Aaron Rodgers is that irrespective of how good he has been (and potentially still is) there's a stop-loss point in there that irrespective of events, the team has to prevail move on, isn't there.

As many have noted. 3 turnovers not capitalized on in the NFCCG and the final score was a 1-score game. That's not on the Defense, they did their job (or at least atoned for the "king of all stinkers play").

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:03 pm

Really good point - aside from a strong starting lineup, this team has some pretty solid depth, too.

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KMoe's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:40 am

Great article. Would love ARod back, but feel Love would still help lead this offense under LaFleur's watch. This is a great team! Go Pack!

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Savage57's picture

June 14, 2021 at 05:45 am

Great attitude.

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:08 pm

Right! We love having Hall of Fame quarterback play, but average quarterbacks go to the playoffs all the time when the rest of the roster is strong. The Packers can do that.

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PatrickGB's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:41 am

Like it or not that’s the way of the future with this team. #12 is missing out on a great team with huge potential. Jordan may not be near as good but the rest of the team is better than most pundits predict.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:29 pm

That's because the national media loves the narrative that somehow Rodgers is basically the whole team and the tiny town of GB is just so lucky to have him, they would be like the jets or Bengals without him......

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:03 am

So if the 49rs took Rodgers and the Pack landed Alex Smith all would be good in your world?

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:47 am

McCarthy would still get to ruin Rodgers attitude...

just sayin...

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Duneslick's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:42 am

Your kidding Right

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Minniman's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:18 am

Completely out of curiosity and without prejudice here, I'm keen to hear the counter-argument.

Are you saying that the Aaron Rodgers-less Packers are reduced to the equivalent of the Jets, or maybe a notch above (Lions)?

Thanks.

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wsn's picture

June 14, 2021 at 10:04 pm

I don't think we'll stoop to the jets level, but there will be a larger chasm between us and Tampa and that is what matters to me this year and next.

If we make the playoffs without Rodgers it will likely be a an intersection of lions, muh, bears working with their young qb, Vikings imploding, and our talented supporting cast

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Handsback's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:45 am

I've said this in previous post, this team isn't like the 70-80s. This team has talent at all positions. QB may be lacking, but the team is good enough for a non-HOF QB to take them to the play-offs.

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Rebecca's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:57 pm

We go to the playoffs with Rodgers, if that’s not enough with Rodgers, why would it be enough with JLove? I would prefer going home with the Lombardi T. With whomever at QB. Rodgers has the skills. Maybe an improved defense and LaFleur learning from past history will get us there.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:01 pm

It’s not been enough with Rodgers. If Rodgers isn’t along for the ride then it’s called building rather than rushing to get through the gap as the door closing.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:33 pm

The Packers have a quality roster up and down. Obviously with Rodgers they are SB contenders. Without him they still have a quality roster, but would Love be just good enough to make the playoffs? I think not as a 1st yr starter. Maybe wrong... hopefully wrong. But they certainly aren't SB contenders with Love.

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:13 pm

A lot of people don't subscribe to the following way of thinking, but I do:

The NFL playoffs are a crapshoot in many regards. It's not a 7 game series, it's one-and-done. A practice injury, a bad game by one player, or even one bad play can be the difference between winning and losing.

That's why just getting to the playoffs is the primary goal. Anything can happen. That's exciting. That's entertainment. That's why we're here, isn't it?

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CoachDino's picture

June 14, 2021 at 03:39 pm

Excellent point and why the Diva Basketball to Football comparisons don't work. Injuries alone determine outcome up there with talent.

That's why favre/Rodgers SB shortage being a travesty doesn't hold up. How many of those years were Favre and Rodgers playing hurt or out? around 35%. Then injuries to other players as well.

Its why IMO the GMs for GB have, for the most part (TT should of used FA more) do it right. The more chance you have by making the playoffs vs "All In" years. A mix is probably the best bet. Unfortunately last year was it, Gute committed again this year but w/o AR SB is a tough road to hoe. Hell it's near impossible with him.

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Minniman's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:37 am

FWIW I agree with you Handsback.

I see parallels here to the Eagles. The team clicked and Nick Foles and Pederson took them on a SB run.

Packers - 3rd year ascending HC and a predominantly stable team with plenty of pro-bowl or upper quartile players in most groups on offense. An ascending defense with similar (albeit slightly lower) traits.

summary - irrespective of what happens with ARod, the sun will come up tomorrow for the Packers.

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Fabio's picture

June 14, 2021 at 02:23 am

The sun will rise tomorrow. let's start again from 31 points suffered in the NFCCG ......

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Minniman's picture

June 14, 2021 at 04:15 pm

A good point, but since that time the Packers have not had any major defensive personnel losses and addressed the Defensive Coordinator, King's CB position and the ILB - as well as taking a flyer on help for Kenny Clark. I stand by my position.

Looking at the NFCCG........ TB also conceded 26 points.

These were 2 good offenses going at it.

TB's D just unlocked the method to neutralize the Packers offense (exploit the Ref's reluctance to call holding penalties in a championship game - Joe Barry do not forget this point, championship refereeing is FAR more lenient than regular season - as refs don't want to "spoil the optics of a big game" by being seen to over-penalize it).

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jhtobias's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:50 am

What ever we think if they are a playoff team without Rodgers is a personal opinion and everyone is entitled to this and know one knows.

Question, If Rodgers is truly not coming back why would you not trade him now instead of waiting till next season it seems like a terrible move :

1. Does Rodgers truly bring the same return (number of picks) plus players next season as he would this season . I find this hard to fathom for many reasons .
2. Distraction, how many times each day during training camp, season off days etc will they have to answer the Rodgers question ?
3. Development of Jordan Love and Confidence with Rodgers hanging over his head

I for one would love to have Rodgers back he is a hall of famer with rare ability, but lets deal in reality if Rodgers says pound sand murphy .

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:42 pm

If you trade him now, there are 1 or 2 teams in position to do it. Either way what you're getting is picks in next years draft and another player. If you wait till next offseason before the draft, you could have as many as 10 teams offering up packages for an MVP QB. I fail to see how that is difficult to understand?!

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greengold's picture

June 14, 2021 at 11:17 am

Teams are going to line up at our door for a chance to be in our cap hell with a QB 1 year older and 1 year removed from playing football, offering trade packages that are better than what DEN might be offering now?

OK.

Stroh, I just don't think that makes sense, with all due respect.

DEN is a willing trade partner, and I believe they are the only one, this year. I believe they want to make a trade for AR so that they can compete with their division foes for a chance at the SB. THIS YEAR, and next year. GB has the leverage to drive price because they do not have to trade him. I think multiple teams competing for his services is more of a pipe dream, especially when most of them are likely going to look to the draft, where 6 QBs are projected to go in the top 15 selections.

This is looking like a time where the Packers might be best served striking while the iron is hot. I really don't think AR will ever be more marketable. If DEN can get him into their TC, it would probably be reflected in the price they will pay.

They want to compete now, while Rodgers is in peak form. AFC team. This is probably the Packers best case scenario to get a reasonable return for the reigning MVP.

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:15 pm

I almost feel like they can;t trade him this year because:

1) Teams have already made their plans, had their draft, and started OTAs, making them less likely to want to change to a new QB.
2) If the Packers really do want him back, they will need to wait at least a year to see if he is truly serious about sitting out.

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Tedlyflyfisher's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:58 am

You sir, are delusional. If you were as old as I am, you would have suffered through almost 30 years of lousy Packer teams from the end of the Lombardi era to the Holmgren/Favre/Reggie era. Other than the Majik man and Lynn Dickey, our qb’s were not very good. During those years we had some very talented players like James Lofton, but they couldn’t go far without a good qb . If you seriously think this team is bound for glory without the league’s MVP, I think you should seek professional help.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:04 pm

Delusion keeps us going as sports fans. Winning is rare and never guaranteed.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 14, 2021 at 05:52 am

And for those 'misguided misfortune ' Viking fans!

We are talking since 1961.....

:)

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:10 pm

Two questions:

1. How many teams in the last 20 years or so had that years MVP on their team?

2. How many Lombardi's has the Rodgers led Packers won over the past 10 years? Or even
been in one for that matter?

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to try something new.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:09 pm

Something new as in a QB who sucks? Don't know about you but I lived thru the 70s and 80s and they SUCKED! If you really think spotty QB and a good D is the way to go your delusional. Love has potential to be that QB in a couple years, but that's to be determined and we know Bortles isn't! Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but an Elite QB is a must!

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:56 am

You are wrong.

see Dilfer, Trent
Foles, Nick
Williams, Doug
Johnson, Brad
Hostetler, Jeff

on and on, the flashy stats driven "superstar" QB's dont always win, actually they rarely do with a couple exceptions. The GBP have had 2 of those exceptions under center for th past 30 years and have how many SB titles?

Your argument is misplaced.

Also, the opening statements of this article are BS. Look where Rodgers ranks over the past 5 years in league QB rankings. He is NOT the best QB in the league by any measurement, either statistically or wins or championships. He is maybe top 3rd, NOT top 3, maybe top third.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:10 pm

Having the League's MVP did nothing much for us last year, nor the other 2 times he got the MVP (since most of you consider not winning the SB as "nothing").

Talking heads have already concluded that trading Rodgers to Denver would result in the Broncos winning the SB. However, to get Rodgers, Denver would probably have to give a superstar defensive player in return (as well as future picks). Talking heads have not factored that into their "ANALysis". If Rodgers is so good that the absence of that "superstar defensive player", would not matter, how is it that Green Bay does not have a dozen SBs with Rodgers?

I hope that you do go get professional help when Rodgers does leave (either this year or in a few years) and Packers still make it to the playoffs. Don't get it now, will not do you any good... you need to be willing to be helped.

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blacke00's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:48 am

TFF, I was there as well and I think your remembering is a bit flawed. Yes, the teams were generally not very good but lack of good QB play wasn't the most important. The defenses during that era were horrible! During that time they had offenses good enough to win, i.e. Lynn Dickey era offenses was very prolific but the defenses were miserable (and that's a nice word).

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Slim11's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:56 am

I was there in the 70-80s too. The lack of success wasn’t just the lack of a good QB. There was poor play, poor coaching (that includes Bart Starr.) and questionable drafts (choosing Tony Mandarich over Barry Sims.) and so on.

This roster has more overall talent than many of those 1970-1980s teams. Green Bay isn’t necessarily the Siberia it used to be.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:59 am

Thank you revenue sharing and salary cap.

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:24 pm

What do you consider "glory"? I'm talking about scrapping to the playoffs. Matt Flynn did it a few years ago. Mitch Trubisky did it last year.

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SanLobo's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:00 pm

When one considers that nearly half the league can make it into the playoffs now, sure, why not. I think the goal is deep playoff runs and a shot at the title. There were 28 other teams in the NFL that would have done anything to be in Green Bay’s position of reaching a conference championship the last two years.
The “rip the bandaid off” approach is less appealing to me then the leave the bandaid on and grow new tissue approach. I thought the three year bandaid of Favre-Rodgers worked out well.
Also, I am vain. I like having near perennial NFC bragging rights. I live in Kansas City and I like pointing out to my neighbors that the last time we met, we did indeed beat the Chiefs (yes, I know Mahomes was injured). I would like to see it happen again come Nov 7th…us winning, not Mahomes injury.
I also like positive outcomes and think that can still be achieved with GB and Rodgers. Alas, I am now less optimistic after yesterday’s comments by Mr Murphy.
So, sure, Green Bay has some extraordinary talent on the team, and they could make it to the playoffs. But it this is a QB centric league and without an exceptional and experienced QB under center one would need to be unusually optimistic to think we will make a deep run.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:10 pm

Rodgers has long been approaching the transition to history. At some point this ride was going to end, just as the ride with Favre did. Unfortunately it appears possible that the history stage is coming a little sooner than we expected, than the team did too. Your bragging rights were always going to have to address the post Rodgers era. Might as well enjoy the ride.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 14, 2021 at 05:28 am

Khm Khm - Nick Foles - Eagles? Unusable Manning - Denver?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:04 pm

First, I would like to suggest a small edit, from: "Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the league." To: "Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the league - up to but not including championship games." (Because Rodgers is the first quarterback in NFL history to lose four straight NFC Championship Games).

Secondly, "yes," the Packers could definitely be a playoff team this year. A SB contender, not as much. Still, my prediction is 10-7 - because - Bortles best year as a starting QB was in 2017 with a 10-6 record (with Nathaniel Hackett as the OC). This year's Packers team is every bit as good as the '17 Jaguars team - maybe better. I would expect Bortles to be the starter - with Love gradually worked-in when the opportunity arises. Also Bortles playoff record is 2-1. So still a good season for the Packers (and Love) - even without Rodgers.

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BJP's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:29 pm

Fair argument. Furthermore this offense might be more quarterback friendly than Aaron Rodgers makes it. In other words, it might upgrade the play of someone like Bortles or Jordan Love even more than it does Aaron.

The caveat to your argument is the schedule this year. The Packers have a bear have a schedule. Two years ago what were they, 8-1 in one-score games? Despite all the improvements you mention, lesser quarterback play could flip that against this schedule.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:28 pm

Luck could flip that alone with Rodgers. The good news is other teams don’t have Pettine to ensure it stays close, so we might actually not see so many one score nail biters if we get ahead.

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Spock's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:31 am

"...other teams don’t have Pettine to ensure it stays close." Actually Da Bears hired Pettine as an assistant on their defense. :)

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 09:43 am

He’s a consultant I believe. He’s certainly not a coordinator. He jumped on that rather than look for a better position.

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BruceIrons's picture

June 14, 2021 at 01:31 pm

This is a brilliant point: "this offense might be more quarterback friendly than Aaron Rodgers makes it."

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PatrickGB's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:32 pm

No QB in the NFL is as good as our #12. Yet I have seen improvements from the rest of the squad. So the question is, can the rest of the team with Jordan be good enough to get us into the playoffs? Of course we don’t know for sure. Yet if Jordan can live up to the potential that the front office saw in him I believe that winning a lot of games is a real possibility. It’s all speculation at this point in time but that’s true of any offseason. I have decided that instead of complaining about what if’s I will just have to settle for what is.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:19 pm

"No QB in the NFL is as good as our #12."

Remind me of just one of the 4 NFCC games after 2010 that #12 played like the best QB in the league.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:17 pm

"No QB in the NFL is as good as our #12 in the regular season"

There: fixed it!

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:06 am

Thats simply not true either.

Rodgers being the "best" is a creation of a few stellar seasons and overhype by GBP fanboys.

Check the league statistics and rankings of QB's.

Check the playoff records of other QB's, consider Roethlisberger without all of the losses to Brady. AR lost to Eli... and almost stubbed his toe vs Caleb Haney for chrissakes.

Please just stop with the AR adulation. He was pretty good, actually well above average for the GBP in most of his seasons, but really, where does all this GOAT shit come from?

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 09:46 am

Physical gifts and discipline on the field will always put him in The conversation, but I’m not by any means blind to your point. Ultimately what are the criteria? That is a debate in itself that likely never hits consensus.

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barutanseijin's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:16 pm

He didn’t play very well in the Bear game either. His best play was that shoestring tackle on Urlacher.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:31 pm

Ummm, Brady disagrees....Rodgers had the opportunity at home.......

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Since'61's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:40 pm

Ok, so first we spend the last 8 weeks blaming Rodgers for how much salary cap he takes up ($$$ which the team gave him) for not signing FAs to get us to the SB.

Now we’re saying that we can win without him and the alleged FAs that we have not signed.

Where will the hype/propaganda train take us to next? Fantasyland!!!

Yes, it is possible given the QB status of our division opponents that we could win our division with an 8 or 9 win season or sneak in with an expanded wild card. Woopee! Another season without an SB appearance.

We haven’t even made it to TC yet and we’re talking about the playoffs! Even if Rodgers were in the OTAs and all was well there would still be way too many variables to assume a playoff run; injuries, bad officiating, young players failing to make their hoped for leaps, and on and on.

It’s enough to overcome the usual adversity with Rodgers healthy, suddenly we’re going to overcome them without Rodgers. I hope so, I really do. But let’s get through the first 4-6 regular season games before we jump into playoff mode. It’s premature and quite frankly it’s unfair to lay that pressure on Love if he is in fact our starting QB.

Leave the propaganda for Packers.com. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Cwilly's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:01 pm

Great points tired of reading this is a playoff team without arod which I for one think were not. We may only be a playoff team without arod cuz of our weak division which doesn’t say much at all about this team. If somehow arod is done the extra cap we get back won’t matter when free agents see how this organization is ran. It’s not a place that free agents would chose to go to begin with. Plus add on to the alienation of your franchise star won’t sit well to any big name free agent. I think this arod situation only makes it even harder to attract free agents. That is why the extra cap space for me makes no difference in helping the packer franchise. It comes down to is the draft and developing of the young players actually becoming stars and Jordan love a franchise qb. Here’s to hoping it works out when the season starts but to think in any way the extra cap space will bring more talent i think is a long shot.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:34 pm

So in your opinion who wins the North? Fields is just as unproven as Love, Goff is limited and Cousins is Cousins..... winning the division makes you a playoff team....

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Demon's picture

June 13, 2021 at 07:08 pm

61. Most here like to make these bold and asanine predictions then tell those of us who know better that we don't know what we are talking about. It is a rarity when you can get any of them to admit when they are wrong strangely enough.

The packers best chance at the playoffs and SB is with AR this year. If he is no longer a Packer, it will be a minimum 3 years.

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Since'61's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:02 pm

Demon, Rodgers took over a 13-3 team and it took 3 years to win the SB. That team had better WRs, a better DL, better ILBs, Charles Woodson and Nick Collins. If Love follows the same trajectory as Rodgers, then I agree with you we're 3 years out from the SB at best.

If Love follows Favre trajectory we're 5 seasons away. And the Holmgren Packers from 95 -98 were a better team than either the 2010 team or the current edition. On the other hand if Love doesn't follow Favre's trajectory he'll probably be gone and we'll be on the HC and QB carousels and maybe the GM carousel also for who knows how long.

If Rodgers does not return for 2021 it's Love or bust. Thanks, Since '61

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:13 am

"If he is no longer a Packer, it will be a minimum of 3 years".

Great crystal ball Demon! Must be a translucent crystal ball as mine is somewhat more opaque.

How your crystal ball saying it will be it will be a minimum of 3 years before the Packers make it to the playoffs without Rodger's is more accurate than someone claiming the Packers will make the playoffs this year without him is ridiculous.

Everyone here at CHTV at the end of 2018 claimed it would be a minimum of 3 years before the Packers make it to the playoffs with the lack of talent on the roster. Yes, Rodger's was on the team at that time and it was a 6 win, 9 loss, and 1 tie record. Yet somehow the Packers the next 2 years made it to the NFC Championship game two years in a row.

Respectfully your argument is silly and absurd! You do not give the current team, LF, Gutey, or Love/Bortles enough credit, and you over estimate Rodger's abilities. Something changed after the 2018 season and it wasnt Rodgers. What was it? Answer that question!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:36 pm

In fairness, back in 2018, we were used to TT. No one figured that Gute would buy or try to buy 3 starters in free agency in Graham, Tramon, and Wilkerson. That having happened, no one figured the Green Bay Packers would squeeze in four more starters in the 2019 free agency market. Gute even made two more attempts to buy starters in 2020 when he signed Kirksey and Wagner.

Finding four to five starters generally takes 2 good draft years and a third year of playing for those draft picks to develop. The 2018 draft brought 2 starters, and the 2019 draft brought two more plus 2 more players who should become starters in their third year (Gary and Keke).

I don't think that prognosis was unreasonable.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:13 am

Only Q knows.

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Nate-1980's picture

June 15, 2021 at 01:12 pm

Exactly 61, this article is horse shite,and the delusion of posters is incredible.. Even if we made the playoffs which I don’t how we would with love, we’d be one and done.. I guess people can lie to themselves and live in a world of bs..

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Nate-1980's picture

June 15, 2021 at 01:12 pm

Exactly 61, this article is horse shite,and the delusion of posters is incredible.. Even if we made the playoffs which I don’t how we would with love, we’d be one and done.. I guess people can lie to themselves and live in a world of bs..

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Lare's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:53 pm

Even though the author has pre-ordained the Packers in the playoffs, I think I'll wait until later in the season before making any predictions.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:15 pm

Just to be tangential, I haven’t seen a Barry defense yet. I’d not predict anything until I have at least some idea of the shape of our D, regardless of who is at QB.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 13, 2021 at 07:17 pm

An up-vote Cw - just for using one of my favorite words "tangential."

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:20 pm

Lets go one better!

I'll leave the predictions aside. Just watch the games each week and then I'll know the outcome.

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splitpea1's picture

June 13, 2021 at 01:17 pm

There's probably some truth here, to go along with a serving of wishful thinking and a teaspoon of exaggerated claims ( "a head coach this brilliant"--what is he, Belichick?, "Jordan Love showing signs of improvement in OTAs"--so he's now ready to lead us into the playoffs?).

I'm not going to write this article off entirely, because it is quite possible that a combination of Bortles and Love could net us a lower playoff seed. But the running game would have to be truly dominant and the defense would need to play at a level we haven't seen for a long time. Once in the playoffs, I think we would still need more than a game manager or someone with only a year of playing experience to advance, anyway. Winning multiple road games in the playoffs is tough, even with accomplished QBs. If MLF can find a way to achieve a deep playoff run with either Bortles or Love at the helm, then maybe he does deserve to be called "brilliant."

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:17 pm

When MLF out prepares and trounces his opposing coach during a playoff game I will start to have faith that we might win it all at some point. Until then, he’s got a good system and he’s got potential.

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splitpea1's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:32 pm

We'll have to see how the Barry hiring works out, too.

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TarynsEyes's picture

June 13, 2021 at 01:35 pm

Whether this team is as good or better than last year is moot when compared to what the article claims isn't as valuable as many claims, the level of evaporation of needed and seen play between Rodgers to Love and Rodgers to Bortles, both are of a huge degree, and the writer knows it, many here know it, I know it, and every team on the schedule knows it or will the moment the games begin.

Can the Packers again reach the goal of Division Champion, sure, but it won't be an easy walk, with or without Rodgers and certainly not with either of Love or Bortles. Can the Packers again reach the NFCCG, sure, if all things go well and things go badly for others, but the QB play from anyone other than Rodgers this season essentially spells doom, though to what level is unknown but doom nonetheless.

I await all who scream that a below .500 or a game above will be a success while silently screaming failure and try to find solace in where the team as a whole will be after this season with many needing to be retained or released and coming years being irrelevance.

I do hope that this transition is successful, but belief will need to be won week by week and result in more than the usual because after all, the writer and others believe this team to be better and would need some serious bad play from the now less dependent upon the play of an MVP QB team to not achieve the usual, which the fans of the Packers scream convinced as being an evil luxury.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:26 pm

By your measuring scale, the last 10 years have been failures.

By the way, screaming that a 13-3 team (2 years in a row) is a failure, as you do, makes me very concerned for you. Your throat must be extremely sore from that, let alone the 2 years before that when the Packers failed to make the playoffs.

I've heard that warm water with honey helps.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:34 pm

Taryn, is there any way this transition may be facilitated toward a positive outcome if "the level of evaporation of needed and seen play" is bolstered by "some serious bad play from the now less dependent upon the play of an MVP QB team to not achieve the usual?"

Also, reading your closing paragraph aloud in a British accent, or like Elmer Fudd, is an enjoyable endeavor in which many experience extreme delight!

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TarynsEyes's picture

June 14, 2021 at 12:46 pm

Society today favors mocking that which they know to be true, and why society is in the crapper, as will the Packers SB possibility without Rodgers.

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marpag1's picture

June 13, 2021 at 01:46 pm

The 8-8 Chicago Bears were a playoff team last year. They had one first team all pro - a kick return specialist. They had only two pro bowlers, and one of them was the kick returner. And they couldn't decide if they wanted to ride with Mitch Trubisky or Nick Foles.

Think about that for a moment.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:18 pm

I do. I don’t like it one bit, but it’s another great Goodall innovation.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:17 am

Great point!

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fastmoving's picture

June 13, 2021 at 01:56 pm

They have to be to be a playoff team even without AR. Maybe more, even without AR.

The wastinghisprime crybabies complain aniway that we do not have a Lombardi trophy the last ten years. Some from there point of you we can do worse.
Other than that, we have to replace AR anyway and like always, I rather would do it 1 or 2 years to early than the othe way around.

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Lphill's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:01 pm

The Packers will not make the playoffs without Rodgers , sorry but its the truth let alone the Packers have one if the toughest schedules , its mind boggling that people here think Love can guide the Packers to 9 and 7 and get a wild card spot, lets please stop the insanity .

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Cwilly's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:14 pm

Agreed but we play in a bad division so that’s why I don’t think far fetched to make play offs but do go far that’s a dream and the reality of this team. And the front office keeps spilling stupid comments to the media only makes it easier to see no arod and a free agent taking his cap space a dream as well. Everyone in the front office should be keeping their lips sealed if they really do want to hoist another Lombardi trophy. Arod has an ego but I’m starting to think Murphy may have a bigger one which spells trouble for attracting any outside talent.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:29 pm

Packers 15-2 in regular season, and then win the next 20 games.

So there!

(By the way, why do you think that the Packers will forfeit one game? Even then, I think forfeiting the game amounts to losing, so it would be 9 and 8. Or are you still soooo last year?)

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 13, 2021 at 07:19 pm

I don't think that you (Lphill) fully understand the meaning of truth - which is synonymous to a fact or a reality. Now the Packers making / not making the playoffs is neither a fact or a reality - because it has not yet occurred. So a truth cannot be based on something that has not happened. Therefore a 9-7 Packers season is as much a possibility , at this stage, as any other record, because it can neither be proved or disproved.

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 09:50 am

In some ways, having a year where we didn’t make the playoffs with a rookie would help by getting us better draft position.

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Guam's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:05 pm

Umm....no. I am an optimist by nature, but even I don't believe the Packers are making the playoffs with Bortles/Love - at least not this year. Not unless they absolutely fleece somebody for lots of current players as part of a Rodgers trade.

I like the Packers roster and think it has real potential, but the differential between Rodgers and Bortles/Love is significant in a QB driven league. If the Packers were to acquire even a middling veteran QB in place of Rodgers this might well be a playoff team. But Bortles/Love - no. Not this year. Love is for all practical purposes a rookie and will need time to develop. Even Rodgers after three years on the bench needed one year with a losing record to learn the ropes of being a starting QB in the NFL.

I am resigned to the Rodgers era ending soon, whether it is this year or in a few years. I would love to see the Packers take one more shot at a title with Rodgers at the helm, but I am also okay with beginning the rebuilding process now with a boatload of draft picks over the next couple of years from a Rodgers trade. Even if it means a tough 2021 season with a near rookie QB against a brutal schedule.

Go Pack Go!

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jurp's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:57 pm

I think this whole "QB-driven league" stuff is BS. KC has a dominant QB - and LOST to Brady and the strong DEFENSE of TB. If (and it's a big IF) our defense is in the top 5 of the league, we have a chance to go a long ways in the playoffs, as long as AR is NOT our QB.

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Guam's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:12 am

Brady is not exactly chopped liver.... While not at the peak of his career anymore, no one would argue Brady is a below average QB.

Would Tampa Bay have won the SB last year with Bortles or Love at QB? I certainly don't think so, despite their very good defense.

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EricinGB's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:19 pm

Let's get head of our selves...there are question marks on the offensive line we (lost best center in the league and the best left tackle is rehabbing a torn ACL and right tackle was a weakness last year too). Mike linebacker and TE coverage is a huge qustion mark with the Packer PR mysteriously hyping a veteran as savior with a history of coverage issues...two out of three corners last year we questionable as well despite the rookie hype again this year...there were 5 QB's selected in the 1st round this year higher than Love and 4 last year...that's 9 first round qb's weith equal or more NFL experience selected higher than Love...what is the history of 1st round QB success in year 1 or 2? Let's be fair to Love and recognize the challenges ahead and temper expectations. This is a team that needs a passing gave to make the runing game go and vice versa...if the Packers start the season with their two best linemen at guard now playing tackle and thier all-NFL center gone, how could we possibly have the between the tackles running game that we had last year necessary to keep the defense honest? Jenkins was probably the strogest guard in the league last year and with Lindsley at center and Bak at tackle, the left side of the line was the best in the league in both the run game and in pass protection...not so this year, no matter how good Jenkins plays with the replacement's. Love better be able to make quick reads and how will the outside zone run game work if we can't run between the tackles? Get real.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:32 pm

If you don't mind, can you please correct the myriad mistakes and format your comment so that it is readable?

Or not...
I'm not going to be scrolling through again, so it does not make a difference to me. Maybe you could do it next time you grace this site with your comments...?

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:17 am

Let's get head of our selves...

Im not that limber...

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jyros's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:42 pm

It takes a team to make an MVP.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:33 pm

Someone sensible! Thanks jyros!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:24 am

What was the difference between the Packers 6-9-1 record in 2018, and the 13-3 record the past two years? It sure as hell wasnt Rodger's!

It was the talent of the team and an improved coach/system.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:45 pm

An average QB, on an average team, with an average coach and an average defense, should have an average record, right? Factor in the bounce of the ball and one bad call and that’s going to leave you somewhere between 7-10 and10-7.

I think the Packers are above average in quite a few regards and if Love is average then we’ll probably win 11 or more games and win the division.

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Guam's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:50 pm

The operative condition being "if Love is average". In the long run I hope he will be much better than average, but next season I expect him to struggle. Rarely do rookie QBs (which is effectively what he is) far well in the NFL.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:44 pm

Hey Guam! Just to offer another perspective:
Love’s likely to be far more than average this season. Rarely do rookie QBs (which is effectively what he is) have:

1. A full season sitting in an offensive mastermind’s system to observe the system he is expected to run, working out in team facilities, studying scheme specific film, training per that HC’s targeted instruction.

2. A full season watching a 2-time MVP work his way to winning a 3rd, in the very same QB room, same system.

3. A HC who has guided two QBs to NFL MVP seasons.

4. A supporting cast at nearly every position on the team built to win a Super Bowl.

This is a highly unique set of circumstances in play in Green Bay which point to positive aspects, not negative, with respect to Jordan Love taking over as starter to begin the 2021 season. I’m thinking there may be more success realized this year, as a result, than many could possibly imagine.

Kind of a perfect storm of goodness... no joke. Especially if a trade happens, and the Packers gain some real players who can help the team further.

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Guam's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:31 am

GG: My comment about Rodgers applies to points #1 and #2. Rodgers had three full seasons to watch Favre and learn MM's system and still managed to have a losing season his first year out. I do think your points #3 and #4 are legit as this Packer team is better than the one Rodgers inherited, but I just think a young QB needs to play a while before he can lead a team to many victories.

I would rather you be right than me and Love has a great season, but I just don't believe it. Hopefully you and Love prove me wrong.

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greengold's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:51 am

Great points, Guam. They certainly lend temperance. My thinking is given LaFleur is a run heavy offensive mind, we spent two years collecting road graders up front, and have a 3-4 headed attack at RB that is arguably unparalleled, Love won’t have to play with much undo pressure.

That helps open all the play action, the deep and intermediate passing games immensely. Love will realize more benefits in his passing game with the strong run game LaFleur will call for. Should help his confidence early as he progresses forward in his learning curve.

One last thing I'll add on this goes to that 3rd point, being guidance. We're talking about those rare situations where a young QB is dropped into an optimal setting. The examples are few. One that begs to be considered in comparison is Patrick Mahomes being paired with Andy Reid. Very similar situation to where Love finds himself now with Matt LaFleur, whose ability to guide a QB successfully to his highest potential has been twice proven. Reid is no slouch either. Maybe the comparisons are apt. As far off as some may wish to allow, this might be the closest comparison we have to projecting what might be in store for the Packers with Jordan Love taking over in his Year 2.

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Guam's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:50 am

The running game will have to be strong to help Love as I think he has a lot to learn (as every rookie QB does). Rodgers is so good not only because of his physical talents, but because of his mental acuity and experience. Rodgers: (1) reads defenses really well at pre-snap, (2) looks off defenders and frees receivers during a play through his "eye discipline", (3) has a great discipline not to force a throw into tight windows but rather throw it away (minimal turnovers), (4) has a excellent internal clock regarding the pass rush, and (5) sees the whole field and knows when the defense has 12 players on the field (i.e. a free play). Many of these characteristics separate the great quarterbacks from the physically talented ones.

Love has great physical talent and he seems to be a bright and hard working kid, but the above things are only gained through experience. I hope he picks them all up quickly, but I think this year against a tough schedule will be a bumpy ride for him. I am okay with that as long as he learns and doesn't lose confidence. I just don't want to see the young man overburdened with expectations that not even Aaron Rodgers could meet after preparing for three years. Tough position in a tough league.

Post Script: As an avid Badger fan, I also know Gary Anderson did Love no favors during Love's senior year. Anderson was a lousy quarterbacks coach. Had Love played at Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley, I would have more confidence about how ready he is for this challenge.

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greengold's picture

June 14, 2021 at 10:46 am

All of those things you point to with the 3-time MVP QB come with experience. No question. Love has none.

Those are a given. We really won't know anything until the games are played, and we see what the kid can do. With all the stuff going on, I believe we'll be seeing him as our Week 1 starter.

Those first 9 games should tell us a lot.
@NO
DET
@SF
PIT
@CIN
@CHI
WAS
@AZ
@KC

In a league built to stop the pass, our rushing attack could prove to be effective, especially with Jones & Dillon.

1-4, our RBs are arguably as good or better than any in the NFL. It's kind of the right time to have a team ready to open up the run game more offensively. Those are good teams we will be facing to start this season, no doubt, and it won't get easier until late in the schedule, after our Week 13 BYE.

Right now, it is all conjecture. We'll have to wait and see, but it will really come down to the HC with an .813 winning percentage, Matt LaFleur, guiding the Packers successfully through that gauntlet. Not a bad guy to roll with given the circumstances.

Put LaFleur's record aside. I think now is his ultimate test. The beautiful part about it is we will see more of what he wants run offensively, with Jordan Love being more compliant in allowing him to lead the way. I have no questions about that. I think this year will be a ton of fun to watch. I can't wait to see AJ Dillon make a name for himself in today's NFL.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:19 am

Justin Fields also joins a playoff team with a pretty good defense...

Maybe his team is a SB contender now...

just sayin...

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 09:54 am

Maybe it is if one views the playoffs as contention. The Bears fans seem to think that he’s already won the Lombardi for them. Reminds me of the day the great Cutler was brought in.

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greengold's picture

June 14, 2021 at 10:49 am

The Bears will fuck that up.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:34 am

I dont see him as a rookie QB. Love's physical talent has not changed since being drafted in round 1 though if anything hopefully it has improved, but his understanding of the offense and his reads are the key. Unless he has been asleep this past 14 plus months he has a huge advantage over any rookie QB trying to learn an NFL offense. The number of passes he threw or didnt throw last year in camp will not have an impact on his 2021 play. The arm talent and physical traits are all there. 2nd year in the offensive system is key! The processing ability and poise under fire will be the difference.

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Guam's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:30 am

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou: Same observation as I made to GG. Love has had a year to watch and learn - Rodgers had three years to watch Favre and learn MM's system and still had a losing season his first year out. Rodgers has as much talent as Love and still struggled his first year as a starter. I think expecting Love to be much better than Rodgers in his first year as a starter despite even less preparation is a stretch. Would love to be wrong, but........

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 09:59 am

Watch yes, but he did not get reps in what counted as pre season, by design. They focused on the number 2. He had more passing attempts in mini-camp this year than he had during the whole of last season. That is pretty close to a rookie in my book.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 14, 2021 at 06:46 pm

Fans are walking a very delicate line here. Point A is that Love got no reps in TC, had no OTAs or pre-season games, so if he stinks it is just due to being a rookie QB. Point B is that he has had time to study the playbook, study how professionals go about their business, the ability to devote himself to being a pro instead of going to class, and perhaps gotten a taste of the speed in the NFL.

The truth likely is somewhere in the middle. I probably would put Love closer to CW's take on the spectrum, so I think he is closer to being a rookie QB with all that means that he is to being a 2nd year QB.

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Swisch's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:25 pm

In 2018, the Bears were 12-4 with Mitch Trubisky at QB, while the Packers were 6-9-1 with Rodgers at QB.
Sports is a funny thing.

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Since'61's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:09 pm

Especially when Rodgers is playing on a broken leg and a sprained MCL. Not mention MM and his staff were just going through the motions until he was fired. Plus 19 players went on IR over the course of the season.

As for the Bears, do they still have a team? And who is Trubisky? Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 10:02 am

Be fair, it takes at least a year to Chicago a high draft pick QB.

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stockholder's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:32 pm

Right, they don't need Rodgers. They need his money. "Defense wins championships." And if they don't get Rodgers off the books. They can't keep what they got. Not to mention; buy the players they should have drafted in the first place. The more Murphy weighs in. The more Rodgers value goes down. They could of done this easy. The class is gone. It's down and dirty. If a guy doesn't want to play for you. Why Force him? Thank him, and let him do better. But that doesn't seem to be the packer way anymore. It's no longer about evaluating their players correctly. It's the criticism that they must go through before they pay them..

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Qoojo's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:39 pm

I would think a QB actually running the MLF system and taking check downs would get the packers offense to mediocrity. The defense is mediocre at best, but without Rodger playing QB, perhaps they know that they must always play better.

Maybe with some luck, they could be a one and done team.

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Since'61's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:11 pm

We may hear a lot about adjusting pad levels this season. Thanks, Since '61

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Slim11's picture

June 14, 2021 at 09:41 am

In Dallas?

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salsilv209's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:46 pm

Is this article real? This team is no playoff team without Rodgers. With Rodgers they couldn’t beat TB in the playoffs. It wasn’t Rodgers the one that cost them the game. It was everyone not named Rodgers and according to the draft and what they have signed in FA isn’t. Who is going to lead them to the playoffs as the QB. Our great QB in Aaron Rodgers had a hard time finding open receivers in a nfc championship game. In part because they had no other but adams.
Also in part because of the absence of Its left tackle.
The left tackle will not be their in the beginning. They do not have a line that is good at Run blocking. It’s not their bread and butter. They also have to find a center that can handle the job linsley did. Whoever wrote this article isn’t thinking really well. And what these guys do in ota doesn’t necessarily transfer to the regular season at all. I would like to think they will be fine but it won’t. Good is not going to cut it. It’s called consistency. Not up and down.

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jurp's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:00 pm

First and goal from the 8 - and no TD. Three turnovers and three punts. Yes, it WAS Rodgers who cost them the game

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:11 pm

Well certainly Rodgers didn't win them the game. What it really came down to who was going to blink first - Rodgers or Brady? So another Rodgers loss to Brady.

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Packer_Fan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:15 pm

Remember when Hundley led the team. Outmoded offensive scheme with McCarthy and an average at best defense. They had a hard time winning. And then take the 49ers. Average QB, good scheme, good running game and a great defense led them to the Super Bowl.

There is no way we can say the Packers have a great defense with King and Sullivan as CB's and weak DL. And we have no idea if Love or Bortles will be an average QB.

Look, our best shot to win the Super Bowl is with Rodgers, a known quantity. And I say a draft class that may be able to make a significant contribution this year. The time to win a Super Bowl with an average QB is so remote.

Let's get Rodgers back. The Pack will have to bend to make this happen. For this stock holder, I say bring him back before camp and the sooner the better.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:25 am

This stockholder has seen enough of Aaron Charles Rodgers in a GBP uniform.

I say trade him the sooner the better. Or if he is not traded, place his ass on the end of the bench and let him watch as he wastes his portion of the salary cap until it is expeditious for the GBP to trade him.

Enough already!

My vote cancels yours... nice cancel culture move, eh?

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 14, 2021 at 04:28 pm

Just lose for a few more years to stack five # one picks on the front seven.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:38 pm

Rodgers WILL be back this year. He’s not taking the financial hit or wasting a year of what’s left of his few remaining years. I believe the trade comes before the next draft. Rodgers only control is to retire. He won’t.

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Archie's picture

June 14, 2021 at 11:56 am

You sir, don't know Aaron Rodgers very well.

He was stabbed in the back by the GBP when they traded up for JL in r1. One year to the date later, he evened the score. Concidence? Nope - well thought out strategy. Do you really think AR did not think through the what if GB refuses to trade him scenario? Or do you think his answer is to give up at that point and let the organization win? Really? If so grasshopper, you have no idea what the GBP are up against. AR will never again take the field as a GBP player. If that means he sits a year then he will sit a year. He is going to deprive GB of his services AND he is going to force GB to use JL at QB well before he is ready for the job. This will blow up in the face of Murphy and Gute and get them fired. It may also ruin any chance Love has of having a great career. meanwhile, #12 gets a year off and comes back refreshed and energized in 2022 to show the GBP how stupid they were to piss him off. That's where Rodgers' head is at.

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Coldworld's picture

June 14, 2021 at 12:27 pm

This “stabbed in the back” fiction is threadbare. If Rodgers has the same mindset you do he will be pouting his way out of his best shot at another Super Bowl and, at the same time, justifying the willingness to take a QB who dropped within reach as Rodgers did himself. It’s a phrase that abounded when he was picked.

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Archie's picture

June 14, 2021 at 12:39 pm

If you say so. But you are wrong. Time will tell.

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francheslove19's picture

June 14, 2021 at 04:05 am

Cool!

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Packers0808's picture

June 14, 2021 at 07:25 am

Just might be time to be JUST LaFluers time to fully take control of Packers with mostly his people!

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

June 14, 2021 at 10:15 am

Roger's can POUND SAND !

I don't care if we go 6 and 10 without him.

He rose from the ashes of #4 who also spit on the team and the fans. You would think Roger's would be smart enough not to go down the same path, yet he is.

Let him ROT on the bench next to Kampernic !!!

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Jgilmor08's picture

June 14, 2021 at 11:42 pm

I’m not sure how it’s ‘ground hogs day’ with A Rod and the NFC title game? Let’s look at the factors here....
TB #6 D
SF #2 D
ATL #9 D

Packers D has allowed 31 points, 37 and 44.
TB 9-14 on 3rd down, SF 285 yards rushing, ATL 10-13 3rd down

Rodgers has gone 91-132 (69%) 959 yds (319) 8 TD (2.66)
Jones had 6 carries 27yds and 12 for 56yds

How does this translate to him getting the brunt of the playoff losses? I do think he hasn’t played amazingly. But keep in mind he played against the top Defenses every time. He was also sacked 13 times in all three games. Two of the interceptions, one against ATL and one against SF were tipped out of the receivers hands for INT.

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Difer's picture

June 15, 2021 at 03:31 pm

According to statmuse, the Packers record without Rodgers, all-time, is 28-30-1 for a .483 winning percentage (I assume that includes Rodgers' first 3 years when Favre was still with the Packers. After suffering a broken collar-bone in 2013, Rodgers missed 8 games, during which the Packers went 2-5-1. After a 2d collar-bone injury in 2016, Rodgers missed 9 games during which the Packers went 3-6. If the past is any indication, the Packers will really have to improve their lineup and depth if they're going to remain a regular playoff contender.

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Rory Austin's picture

June 15, 2021 at 09:05 pm

The Packer hierarchy have really screwed up a good thing.. They are a playoff bound team if Aaron Rodgers doesn’t play?...... since when does a sub 500 team make the playoffs...the Pack needed the urgency to win an owner would have brought.... The organizations all full of itself sadly… A lot of fans here are drinking the Kool-Aid... I hope Aaron comes back ... or we are screwed...

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