What needs to change for Joe Barry and the defense in 2023?

The defense closed the season out on a strong note. Can they carry that over to the 2023 season? Joe Barry's job depends on it. 

In relation to a player’s longevity in the National Football League, a common phrase uttered by many is that the NFL stands for “Not For Long.” Could that also be true for Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Joe Barry as the team’s signal caller if he does not produce in 2023? 

There are no excuses at this point for the former Detroit Lions defensive coordinator. His unit has eight first-round selections, including 2023 first-round pick Lukas Van Ness. It features one of the best cornerbacks in the league in Jaire Alexander and, assuming there are no setbacks from his torn ACL, one of the best pass rushers in the league in Rashan Gary. Not to mention, Kenny Clark holds his own as a player near, or squarely in, the upper echelon of interior defensive linemen. 

I will admit that the outlook at safety entering the 2023 season does not exactly instill confidence, but Rudy Ford, though inconsistent, did finish last year with the second-best PFF coverage grade (77.8) on the team among defensive backs. 

So what needs to change in order for Barry to save his job? First, he needs to continue to make adjustments. The Packers have predominantly employed zone-coverage schemes when defending against the pass, but Barry incorporated different coverages after the bye week that led to some success. 

As Daire Carragher of 247 Sports’ Packer Report pointed out ahead of the team’s Week 18 matchup against the Detroit Lions, the defense only played man and zone Cover-2 less than four percent of the snaps before the bye week, but played that same coverage in 17.6% of defensive snaps after the bye week, the fourth-highest mark in the NFL. The defense also played Cover-6 on 28.1% of defensive snaps after the bye week, which led the entire NFL over that stretch. As a result, you saw an increase in the number of takeaways – 10 interceptions in the first 13 games and seven interceptions in the last four games – and sacks. 

For the season, the Packers' pass defense finished sixth in interceptions, seventh in total air yards allowed, ninth in Football Outsider’s Pass DVOA, and 11th in Expected Points Added, but they were 23rd in yards gained per completion and 28th in yards gained per attempt. 

In sum, Barry needs to utilize his personnel more effectively and put his players in positions to succeed. One of the best ways to do that is to continuously make adjustments. 

Most importantly, the run defense must improve. I cannot stress that enough. The Packers’ Rush DVOA in 2021 ranked 28th. It ranked 31st in 2022. They allowed five yards per carry last season, which ranked 28th. They allowed the 23rd-most rushing touchdowns (18) and the 26th-most rushing yards per game (139.5). In terms of Expected Points Added, the team’s rush defense finished 27th. And lest we forget the team’s abysmal performance against the Philadelphia Eagles in the Week 12 contest. The Packers surrendered 363 rushing yards in the loss. 

However, all hope is not lost for the prospects of the rush defense improving. De’Vondre Campbell finished with a PFF run defense grade of 82.0 in his All-Pro season. Last season, however, it dipped significantly to 60.3. Campbell’s fellow linebacker, Quay Walker, recorded the second-worst run-defense grade among first-year linebackers. Their production cannot get any worse, so their improvement will go a long way toward the improvement of the unit as a whole. 

While Devonte Wyatt only saw action in 113 run defense snaps, according to PFF, his performance was lackluster, to put it lightly, finishing with a run defense grade of 60.9 (compared to a pass rush grade of 71.0). If he can make the second-year leap, that will also go a long way toward improving the team’s rush defense. Another question is whether Kenny Clark’s run defense can return to the 2020 form after back-to-back subpar seasons. Finally, rookie edge rusher Lukas Van Ness is the wild card in this whole equation. Can he make an impact from the start, or will he fall in line with how Rashan Gary started off his NFL career by seeing minimal playing time? 

Barry is firmly on the hot seat entering his third year in Green Bay. If he can rally the troops and the defense can continue playing the way they played after last year’s bye week, that will help take the pressure off of the offense and first-year starter Jordan Love. If not, it’s pretty simple – head coach Matt LaFleur will be searching for his third defensive coordinator. 
 

 

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Lare's picture

June 30, 2023 at 12:59 pm

Throughout his career, Joe Barry's defenses have been consistent. I'm guessing that will continue this season.

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LLCHESTY's picture

June 30, 2023 at 03:34 pm

💯 Expecting a DC that's never had a defense finish in the top half of DVOA to suddenly field a top 10 D seems like a fool's errand.

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Coldworld's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:14 am

I agree with your skepticism. However, has Barry ever had a D with this much on paper talent? I don’t think so. As I see it, he’s got no excuse not to be better and LaFleur has to have been right about his reasons for believing he will be.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 01, 2023 at 11:58 am

Last year? The 2nd year jumps of Wyatt and Walker and the addition of LVN could offset the losses of Amos, Reed and Lowry but talent wise they look about the same to me. The depth at DL looks very thin and could haunt them at some point this year. Still hoping for a cheap vet add like Wormley but I doubt it happens.

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cdoemel's picture

June 30, 2023 at 10:43 pm

Consistently what?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:03 pm

Piss poor.

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Packer_Fan's picture

June 30, 2023 at 01:06 pm

To answer the question of the title: a lot!

Ok. He made adjustments after the bye and did better. That means he missed big time creating a plan and executing it through last year's off season and training camp.

And last year, how many times did Lafleur said they were going to fix the defense.

So he planned poorly. Didn't instruct his players well. He reacted slowly. The result, he was a major contributor to missing the playoffs.

There is nothing to say it will be different this year. And that is the rub.

We need a defense to be aggressive and win a few games. Because we know the offense will struggle. But those statements and a quarter won't buy you a cup of coffee at McDonald's.

We know nothing until Barry proves the defense is good. My gut feeling says Barry won't be in Green Bay next year

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 30, 2023 at 01:23 pm

Indeed, expect more of the same. They had their chance to replace this guy, but stayed in the Safe-Room, exuding fear.

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Coldworld's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:18 am

My problem with the “better after the bye” argument is that by quirk of schedule and key opponent injuries, the offenses we played were mostly worse, in some cases considerably hamstrung or just bad. Try as I might, I remain unable to convince myself that we were noticeably better in real terms rather than being slightly less bad than we’d looked to be earlier when facing better/healthier offenses.

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blacke00's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:28 am

I'm going to make a "Bold Prediction". Barry will be replaced by Rick B (can't spell his name) as interim DC by mid year.

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croatpackfan's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:25 am

To help you - BISACCIA, Rich Bisaccia!

He is Italian and his family name in English means "Saddlebag".

Just for information

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TKWorldWide's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:37 pm

My motorcycle has those!

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:57 am

That's a very bold prediction. The last time Bisaccia was a defensive coach was in 1989 at the University of South Carolina, coaching DBs. So that won't be happening.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:07 pm

I'm hoping RB keeps JB from ruining another season and as fans we can't even tell. Hopefully MLF gives RB the choice of whether to keep JB as an assistant or if RB feels he can transition from D to ST well enough without him.

Or even better, the 3 are a winning combination?

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splitpea1's picture

June 30, 2023 at 01:14 pm

First and foremost Barry needs to trust his secondary to defend the pass in obvious passing situations and give them a chance to tip the ball away or create a turnover. Please, no more letting the opposing offense waltz down the field with soft coverage or poor communication between defenders (especially on crossing routes).

Find the right safety combinations for the right circumstances. Both Ford and T. Moore are good with stopping the run. Don't be afraid to sit anyone who consistently struggles with tackling.

Hope for a bounceback season from Campbell and a big second-year leap from Walker; I think we'll get them. Hope Nixon stays healthy.

Slaton and Wyatt can't help but get better with more experience, which they will get immediately. And they will need to get better on those early downs to create choice opportunities for our pass rush on third down. Maybe Ford will get a chance to contribute here and there.

Do whatever it takes in preseason to have the guys ready to play effectively on the season opener; no duds again, please. And take it from there on an upward trajectory.

If things don't work out, hope MLF doesn't remain overly loyal or patient and has a credible preplanned alternative for Barry.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:11 pm

Split pea, those in game adjustments will be key! Quite a different coaching skill from individual player development, and evaluation that we need to see before week 1.

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Swisch's picture

June 30, 2023 at 01:40 pm

If memory serves, I called for Barry (here at CHTV) to be fired before the end of last season.
However, as long as he is still here, I'm rooting for him to succeed.
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Whatever the statistics, it seems obvious our defensive backs played too soft on third down. If the offense needed four yards to move the sticks, it would get five; if it needed eight, it would get nine.
So, it's much more to being a defensive coordinator than playing the percentages according to some formula.
Barry has to show creativity and adaptability in putting his guys into positions to make plays.
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It seems to me football players need to be allowed to be dashing and daring at times.
They need to be able to be aggressive.
Not all the time, but at least some of the time -- preferably more often than not.
There's a time to be passive, but that has to be mixed in with being aggressive. Even on the same play, different defenders may be some of both.
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Predictability loses.
If a defense blitzes every down, the offense will almost always figure it out and burn it.
May Barry show some mental agility this season, as well as a good understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel.
It's about time for a dominant defense in Green Bay, doing the job physically and mentally.

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TKWorldWide's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:40 pm

Are you suggesting “passive aggressive”? I think he’s someone else’s problem now.

(Forgive me, CHTV!)

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jhtobias's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:10 pm

I as a fan really dont have any great expectations for this defense.

Joe berry has proved his not capable of adjusting on a consistent basis to get the most out of his players . Lafluer refusues to make any change on the defensive side meaning coaches so blame who you want.

Im kind of dumfounded by gute he has done a nice j9b getting talent but doesnt hold lafluer accountable for the crappy defense especially with all the resources he has put in on thst side of the ball.

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Packers2020's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:17 pm

jhtobias,

Gute does not control if ML is fired or not. Murphy holds all the cards and he will not fire ML since he is forced to retire in the next two years. That is why Murphy extended ML and Gute. He did not want to hire a brand new HC and a new GM again.

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Untylu1968's picture

June 30, 2023 at 04:20 pm

Well, there's that, and I guess the fact that they have had a little success the last four years? I know, i know they haven't won the superbowl, but it's still considered a success.

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Packers2020's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:15 pm

IMO, It is not just Barry that should be on the hot seat. Matt LeFluer's hands are all over this defense now that he has stuck up for Barry even after the horrible showing the last two years.

Do we all remember the exact same thing happening in 2021 with this defense? Barry was playing soft then and the defense was having the same issues. Then they adjusted later in the season to more aggressive man to man and the defense got better. Of course, this was only after ML called Barry out in the media. Then last year we again went back to the same soft coverage and the defense went back to its old ways. Again, ML calls out Barry about playing too soft of coverage and the adjustments are made. The defense improves.

How do you keep a guy that you have to tell what to do for the defense to improve? And you had to do it two years in a row. I just do not get why ML kept this guy. It makes no sense at all.

IMO, Matt Lefluer should be on the hot seat as well as Barry. If this defense fails miserably again this season, maybe they both should be out of Green Bay.

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vin0770's picture

June 30, 2023 at 03:17 pm

Saw your post so I didn’t have to repeat it, I agree totally. Does a leopard change his spots? Barry is what he is philosophically and will revert to that under pressure. So then we have to rely on MLF growing a pair and being a badass strong leader to get things going? I’m NOT optimistic 😢

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CoachJV's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:20 pm

I expect Barry will be gone at the Bye... I don't know who they'd hire, and maybe Bisaccia gets double duty with ST and D... but either way, I'll bet he's gone at the Bye.

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LGDaub's picture

June 30, 2023 at 04:30 pm

No bet here. I had predicted this myself earlier, though I forget where. The offense will be ragged until the Bye week and improve after that. Without a sound defense, the season may well be over by then. So the DEE must carry the team until Love and Co. gel, and Barry has shown no willingness to change his scheme the way it needs to be changed. And LaF won't make him do it. Changing DCs at the Bye is the last chance for 2023, and for LaFleur.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:18 pm

LG, Rich Bisaccia as assistant HC hopefully keeps this from sinking the season. Will we see what happens behind the scenes? Will RB take over as DC? Will he keep JB as an assistant just to transition from D to ST better?

Kind of a soap opera, I just hope they figure it out and win some games ...

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cdoemel's picture

June 30, 2023 at 10:56 pm

I’m not so sure he’ll get to the bye. I was thing when they’re 2-2, but I do agree that the bye would be a good time to do it with the extra time to make the change.

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TxFred's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:26 pm

I want to see the fastest, most talented, aggressive, hard hitting, gang tackling 11 Barry can field. Play with reckless abandon! Play hard, play cool, play smart. No immature, childish crap.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:19 pm

Man is there ever the talent to do that!

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TXCHEESE's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:29 pm

I still argue, the improvement was due to the level of competition and Tua probably being concussed the 2nd half of the Miami game. The only game they actually looked good in at the end was against Minny, and that was more of the Vikings playing like the Vikings. I hope like hell they fix the run D.

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stockholder's picture

June 30, 2023 at 02:58 pm

Barry didn't have the worst defense in the league.
But what he did have is a DL, that can't overwhelm
anyone.
The best teams can.
The new guys must have a Much larger roll.
And that 2 Lone rusher frt.; Lowrey and Reed are Gone.
Until Barry gets these guys to perform together.
You can forget any names and high praise.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 30, 2023 at 03:46 pm

I think we can all get behind a Much larger roll. Enjoy every sandwich.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 30, 2023 at 04:32 pm

A lot of supposed talent not playing to their draft status, or just clueless. If he doesn't show more four man fronts, expect to be bulldozed. The ILBs are chasers, not pluggers. When Wolf whiffed , he brought in free agents for the D line. Gutey's guys are soft.

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stockholder's picture

June 30, 2023 at 04:42 pm

Been wanting the 4 front since Capers left.
The ILBs are chasers.
But the pluggers couldn't stop a running QB anyway.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 01, 2023 at 11:35 am

How many of his guys made the top NFL players under 25 list? Washington and the Giants shut Hurts down with 4-3 sets. The only team which gave up over 90 yards to him was the Packers, yielding 157 yards through wide gaps and the whiffing ILBs.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 01, 2023 at 12:10 pm

The Eagles went 3-1 against them and outscored them 115-78. That's why you want to run a 4-3 defense? Teams are in nickel more than 50% of the time but I guess there's a big difference between a 4-2 and 2-4 front?

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 01, 2023 at 05:23 pm

A solid 4-3 stops the run and brings the heat`.The best pass rush groups have been 4-3/4-2 sets. When you go light, the QB audibles inside zone/trap and off to the races unless you have a guy like Budda Baker patrolling the middle.

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greengold's picture

July 01, 2023 at 12:20 pm

The Packers have relied solely on the draft to upgrade DL talent while fighting cap woes. 2 of the last 4 drafts were very weak DL classes, 2020 & 2021.

TJ Slaton was an R5 steal in 2021. GB drafted both DE/DT Devonte Wyatt & NT Jonathan Ford in 2021, followed by LVN, Wooden & Brooks this year. 2021 & 2022 were much deeper DL classes.

Can’t take what’s not there.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:23 pm

The whole team has been soft, and has a reputation for that. Is that on MLF? Can RB change that?

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Untylu1968's picture

June 30, 2023 at 05:12 pm

I'm not going to miss Dean Lowery! I'm sure he was an upstanding guy, just really mediocre at football, but better than I...

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Since'61's picture

June 30, 2023 at 03:38 pm

First and foremost the defense needs to be better, much better at stopping the run. 28th in the league and 31st in DVOA against the run is just not good defense.

Part of getting better at stopping the run requires improved tackling plus winning at the LOS. The Packers consistently get blown off the LOS and as correctly covered by the author our ILBS were not good against the run in 2022. Both DLs and ILBs must improve against the run in order for the defense to improve in 2023.

Our pass defense numbers look good but that is because teams know that they don't need to pass to move the ball against the Packers defense. Also playing our DBs 7 - 10 yards off the LOS prevents the big plays but enables the offense to nickel and dime their way down the field. 5 yards on a first down run combined with 7 yards gained on a second down pass will gain a first down every time. Plus poor run defense sets the defense up for successful play action passes which gain 10 or more yards.

Another issue is that the defense rarely shows up and plays for a full 60 minutes. They have played strong first halves only to forget to return to the field for the second half or they are dominated in the first half and then play a tough second half but unfortunately the game is already over because of their poor play during the first half.

Same mistakes are repeated game after game and at this point season after season; such as no sense of urgency, poor tackling, miscommunications, stupid penalties, players out of position and poor situational football. These are all coachable and fixable errors but they go on and on for years. At this point with rare game exceptions it seems as though they have gone on since the 2010 SB season which was the last season the Packers had a top 5 ranked defense.

The defense is in desperate need of leadership both on the sidelines and on the field. Preferably leadership that enables a more aggressive and nasty attitude.

I don't have much confidence that either Barry or MLF can bring what's necessary for the defense to improve. And at this point I'm not sure if it will be part of Bisaccia's role to fire up the defense. Maybe more arm flapping by MLF will do the trick. We'll see. Thanks, Since '61

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Bitternotsour's picture

June 30, 2023 at 10:16 pm

I don't see Barry on the hot seat. He is what he is. I think the only thing that saves the coaching staff is if LaFleur runs an offense that controls the clock, and actually scores touchdowns. The defense needs help. It needs crucial conversions on third downs, and it needs a running game that works. All that is on LaFleur.

Improve the defense by taking the ball out of the opponents hands.

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Since'61's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:58 am

Bitternotsour - I think that is a fair point about the offense. However I do not see what you are describing for the offense happening until midseason at best. We have an inexperienced QB combined with inexperienced WRs.

You are correct that the defense needs help I just the see the offense providing the help early in the season.

Having said that the early season schedule, on paper, favors the Packers. The Bears and the Falcons are not juggernauts by any stretch. Fortunately the home opener is against the Saints who have a decent defense but Derek Carr, their QB, will be in his first year in a new offense.

After the first 3 games the schedule begins to get tougher and opponents will have film on Love and the offense. Of course Love and the WRs will be gaining experience as well.

IMO the best scenario is that the defense keeps the Packers in the games early in the season until Love and the WRs get in sync. If and when that happens and if the team remains relatively healthy the Packers will have a chance to make some noise in 2023. But at this point we have numerous variables .

The first key point is for the team to get through the preseason intact. Second is for the defense to show improvement early in the season so that offense can build up their consistency and their confidence.
Thanks, Since '61

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 01, 2023 at 01:05 pm

Derek Carr

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Since'61's picture

July 02, 2023 at 09:29 am

Corrected! Thanks, Since '61

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:30 pm

61, this is exactly what I see! I don't look for MLF or JN to be the answer. Maybe RB steps up, fills that void, and sweeps them both out?

I dunno what the winning combination is but I hear football players are supposed to be tough. We have the reputation of being soft. On the frozen tundra?!?

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 30, 2023 at 03:52 pm

Joe Barry needs to have an awakening and transform into someone he's not. Perhaps a magic spell will be cast, or some good old-fashioned voodoo will take hold.

I can't find the exact quote, but after one of his D's less than impressive games last season, he was asked what he needs to do to fix the D. His reply was something like "I don't know. That's the question that keeps me up at night."

I agree with those who think Coach Barry will be moving on to his next job before the conclusion of this season. He has a lot of enthusiasm.

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LGDaub's picture

June 30, 2023 at 04:33 pm

The magic spell you seek may be LaFleur realizing that 2023 puts his job on the line. He has to make the transition to Love10 work, and that will take half a season. LaF must make Barry field an effective DEE until the Offense is acting like, well, a team. If LaF does not demand performance from his coaches, he and all of them should depart.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:35 pm

LG, too much turnover all at once can be a problem. I hope RV is given the option of axing JB, or keeping him as an assistant. Better yet if they work well with MLF, somehow ...

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 30, 2023 at 03:52 pm

duplicate

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Johnblood27's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:17 am

some of your best work Leotis...

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Johnblood27's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:07 pm

wow, just wow... the hate is palpable...

bring it on suckas!!!

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CanPackFan's picture

June 30, 2023 at 04:20 pm

As many of us have commented, I do not believe Barry has what it takes to be a competent and innovative DC. He seems to fight change and cannot adjust quickly enough during a game. When MLF calls his soft defensive tactics out, he suddenly gets aggressive? For the money these men make, he shouldn't need his boss to light a fire under him. These men are supposed to pros. The best of the best. They should know immediately when to change the things that aren't working. Especially during a game when it counts. Not a post mortem after the game blaming players for their inconsistency. Could watching every game from high above the field help him see the urgency of changes during a game? Maybe?

And I agree with everyone who says that MLF should FINALLY have some serious accountability here. MLF did not have to grow into a true HC as he had Rodgers and Adams to bail him out every game. The training wheels are gone Matt. Time to become a true HC that is concerned with every facet of the team, not just the offense.

I am glad Rich B is around. I could see him taking over from Barry if Barry is let go during the season. I also believe at the same time that making him Assistant HC should light a light a little fire under MLF's butt as he could conceivably replace him. Whoever made the decision to hire Rich B in GB made a wise, useful move.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 01, 2023 at 10:04 am

The last time Bisaccia was a defensive coach was in 1989 at the University of South Carolina, coaching DBs. So that won't be happening.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:40 pm

CPF, this is what I've been saying! Maybe the winning combination is to take MLF off the sideline to put him up in a box, and put RB on the sideline with the whistle and calling plays?

I dunno but last season's lack of in game adjustments can't be repeated.

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BruceC1960's picture

June 30, 2023 at 05:29 pm

Why is Quay Walker so bad against the run? Is he unable to read and react or is he having trouble getting off blocks? With his athleticism, shouldn’t he have been better?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:41 pm

Second year improvement?

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Tundraboy's picture

June 30, 2023 at 07:15 pm

A lot ,and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but I expect Bisaccia to take over at some point. just don't envision any epiphany from him or MLF.

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PatrickGB's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:12 am

I don’t see Rich as a DC. But if he gets put there and does well, some team will snatch him up as HC.

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Coldworld's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:31 am

If Bissacia is running 2/3 units, LaFleur is effectively OC in all but name. That situation would likely force a change at HC even if it’s behind the scenes. We’d need to protect against losing our de facto HC, as you suggest. We’d also need to face the fact that the players would know that LaFleur wasn’t really the man and the team dynamic would change off field markedly.

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CoachJV's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:50 am

That's not entirely accurate. HC's have far more responsibilities than just calling plays, or being basically an OC... even if Bisaccia led 2/3 of the units. That's not how it works. HC's have administrative and organizational duties that we fans never see, nor imagine. One thing LaF has, as a HC is the ability to get the buy in from his team. He waffled to Rodgers, but the rest of the team certainly buys in to his philosophy, his design, and his leadership. And nobody EVER (except the primadonna ex-QB) ever has thrown him under the bus.

LaF is NOT the problem and never has been, except for the fact he gives his staff too many chances to get it right. And that's his only real flaw. Any doubts about his play calling mainly fall on our Ex-QB who just did what he wanted anyway.

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Coldworld's picture

July 01, 2023 at 12:40 pm

We will see if LaFleur is the problem. In his case, his involvement in other phases seems more limited than typical. Now he’s got his choices in place and no Rodgers, we will see his strategic and tactical credentials with no smokescreen, real or imagined. This where we see if he’s real or an imposter.

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croatpackfan's picture

July 01, 2023 at 11:33 am

Coldworld, I already mention that Rich Bisaccia (not Bissacia) was promoted to HC assistant to take over some duties MLF are obviously not paying much attention on. He is trully acting as OC and take care only of offensive side of the ball. You wrote that Packers did that promotion to prevent other teams to snitch Rich Bisaccia for HC interviews. As I understand NFL rule on asking for interviews team can prevent that only if it is side position - HC for HC, coordinator job for coordinator job etc. If it is promotion any team can do nothing to prevent that. As HC job is higher position than HC assistant, just the position Packers promote Rich Bisaccia to is not sufficient to prevent other teams to offr him HC job, as full HC position is higher than HC assistant position. As coaches shuffling positions are rare open to public, I can conclude that, with MLF acceptance (because he has now 1st year starter and lot of rookies on offense to deal with) Packers decided to hand over those others duties to Rich as he has some experience (at least as interim coach) how and what to do.

They kept titles and contracts, but that is what they have for public.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:44 pm

Patrick, I've said before that I won't cry if RB replaces both JB and MLF. I'm not sure that can happen smoothly both at once? I hope the 3 of them work together as a successful team, somehow ...

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 01, 2023 at 10:05 am

The last time Bisaccia was a defensive coach was in 1989 at the University of South Carolina, coaching DBs. So that won't be happening.

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Coldworld's picture

July 01, 2023 at 12:41 pm

Seems rather unlikely unless as a bridge to a new regime.

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LeotisHarris's picture

July 01, 2023 at 02:49 pm

Ya never know, CW. Russ Ball went from assistant strength coach to Cap Wizard just by hanging around long enough that people thought he should be there. I'll bet Coach Rich can fake competent DC a helluva lot better than Coach Joe can.

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PhantomII's picture

June 30, 2023 at 09:14 pm

Barry is still here, because he's still under contract and our Management is not going to fire him and pay him and his replacement at the same time. That being said, without a premier pass rusher on the edge, we were not going to disrupt the passer. We miss having a Z. Smith to go along with Preston. We were not deep enough when Gary went down. I want the standard Defense as Nose and 2 DL on 1-2nd down. We also don't use Corner or Safety or LB Blitz enough. We play way too soft in the Secondary....Every play. The 1st Vikings game with Jefferson having a field day and zero adjustment makes one wonder. All that being said our Defense did not lose the 2021 Playoff game to SF and played as well as anyone could ask of them with such a poor offensive performance. If our offense can get their part done and rest the defense a bit, maybe they play better also. Our offense has put a lot of weight on the defense with a lot of 3 and outs and not putting points on the board. I think LVN plays quite a few snaps this season, If he doesn't, the more I will like the DC gone. Really looking forward to P.Smith/ Gary and LVN on the field at the same time. Also looking forward to Wyatt playing more as well as Slayton.... GPG

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:46 pm

Our edge rushers might be a real strength? Obviously we don't know yet, but the potential is sure exciting ...

GPG!

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cdoemel's picture

June 30, 2023 at 10:41 pm

Build a scheme around the talent you have. Don’t force the talent you have to fit your fantasy scheme

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Dagger's picture

June 30, 2023 at 11:30 pm

Not feeling it with Joe Barry. Head scratcher that he was hired in the first place and is still the Defensive Coordinator. My guess is that this is Joe's swan song as the entire team goes thru the ARODless transition. Hoping he plays more to the strength of his players in the secondary. More man to man. Joe Barry is on a slow walk off the plank.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:49 pm

Aar, the lilly livered landlubber shivers me timbers!

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greengold's picture

July 01, 2023 at 05:24 am

His address?

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greengold's picture

July 01, 2023 at 05:36 am

Seriously though, I think we will be better on D this season than we’ve been in years, and that the Packers defense will continue to improve.

It all starts up front. Gutekunst has given our DL a complete makeover in the last 2-3 years.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:50 pm

Hope so! GPG ...

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PatrickGB's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:14 am

I also wonder if the change at DB coach makes a difference this year?

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greengold's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:09 am

Patrick, I've been wondering the same thing. Something was really wrong with the way Jerry Gray handled the players in our secondary. Either Gray was wrong, or Barry. One of the two.

We'll find out.

On that though, I know the coverages we ran were new, and difficult to play, requiring solid players at all 3 levels of any defense running Quarters, Quarter/Quarter/Half and Cover 3. That accounted for almost 70% of what we saw between the 20s. Vic Fangioesque.

One or two key players go down, and any team trying to run that will get run on incessantly without proper backups. That was what we saw, in combination with Barry calling one thing, and Gray calling another in our secondary. That's a whole lotta messed up right there.

Now, Barry has a much deeper roster of players with run stop strengths at all 3 levels. Young, for sure, but we all know how a good pass rush and top DL play can make LBs and DBs look really, really good.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Greg Williams can do with our DBs.

Adding LVN, Cox Jr.,Wooden, Brooks and now Ford & Wyatt with a full season of development should help our ILBs Campbell, Walker, McDuffie & Carpenter, and all the DBs in 2023. Enagbare should be further developed along with Slaton too. Gary returning healthy & ready mid season would be a big help as well. Hoping for that anyway...

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DragonSilk's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:27 am

There's no guarantee Barry will get fired after another bad year. LaFleur has bad history of hanging on to people waaay too long. I mean what the hell was he thinking with Amari Rodgers???
Barry flopped everywhere he went before he got here. Just because he went from terrible to average the second half of last year is no reason to think he won't revert back to terrible this year. He should be given 2 or 3 games max to prove himself. Problem is LaFleur will probably wait until we're out of the playoffs, then fire him.
I'm not usually so negative, but I was more optimistic starting off last year then I had been since 1996. If they let me down again I'm going to quit being a Packer f..... Well, of course I'm not but, I WILL NOT BE HAPPY!!!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:54 pm

DS, we are not amused! We need a Lombardi, "what the hell's going on out there? Everybody's hitting, nobody's tackling"

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