Welcome to the Jordan Love Era
Aaron Rodgers announced his intentions to play for the New York Jets next season. Jordan Love is now QB1.
By rex.sheild
The long-awaited saga is finally inching toward a resolution, meaning my screen time can now revert to normal levels. Aaron Rodgers, the four-time MVP, announced on the Pat McAfee Show on Wednesday that he intends to play for the New York Jets next season. It is déjà vu all over again for the Packers as the last disgruntled Green Bay quarterback, Brett Favre, played for the Jets immediately after the Packers. The Favre trade set the stage for Rodgers to take the reins as QB1 back in 2008. Now, the yet-to-be-finalized Rodgers trade sets the stage for Jordan Love, the team’s 2020 first-round selection, to take the reins as QB1 15 years later.
Over the years, I became frustrated with (1) Rodgers’ diva, look-at-me mentality and attitude; (2) the way he subtly threw teammates, coaches, and others under the bus; and, among other shananigans, (3) the quarterback contradicting himself recently. I will not miss any of that. But I will miss the player.
The future first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback made so many impossible, earth-shattering throws, I am not even sure you could highlight all of them in a small novel. The pass to Randall Cobb against the Bears late in the fourth quarter that clinched the division in 2013. The game-winning hail mary heave to Richard Rodgers against the Lions in 2015. The game-tying hail mary to Jeff Janis that same season against the Cardinals in the divisional round. The sorcery he used to connect with Jared Cook near the sideline to set up the game-winning field goal in the divisional round of the 2016-17 season. The darts he threw in Super Bowl XLV. The list goes on and on.
Was this the most important throw of Aaron Rodgers' career? pic.twitter.com/kIbb9niKtr
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) March 11, 2023
Again. Against the #1 scoring defense that year. pic.twitter.com/WcMbrqdGdL
— Dusty (@DustyEvely) July 10, 2018
Zero room for this pass. Absolute dime. On a line. pic.twitter.com/ru68ThbO8l
— Dusty (@DustyEvely) July 10, 2018
While Favre was the definition of “ah, f*ck it, I’m throwing it downfield and hoping for the best,” Rodgers was calculated beyond belief. Sure, he may have held onto the ball a bit too long from time to time, but he will leave Titletown with a 4.52 career touchdown to interception ratio and a career interception percentage of 1.4%, both of which are NFL records. He also threw the ball 402 consecutive times at one point without an interception, another NFL record.
Rodgers will depart 1265 Lombardi Ave. as the ninth-best quarterback in terms of career passing yards (59,055) and the fifth-best quarterback in terms of career passing touchdowns (475; 33 behind Brett Favre, fourth on the list). He also owns three of the 12 best single-season passer ratings in NFL history — his 122.5 passer rating (2011) is first; 121.5 passer rating (2020) is second; and his 111.9 passer rating (2021) is 12th.
Perhaps Rodgers’ greatest achievement: while he was under center season after season, the Packers were always in a position to compete for a championship, some years more than others. The team was 158-85-1 with Rodgers as QB1, made five NFC Championship Games in 11 playoff appearances, won eight NFC North crowns, and of course, won a Super Bowl title. Is it disappointing that Green Bay only won one Lombardi Trophy with Rodgers — and only two with Favre and Rodgers? You bet, but it is hard as hell to win multiple Lombardi trophies over any period of time.
Rodgers’ intention to play for the Jets next season marks a brand-new chapter in the history of the Packers, the winningest franchise in NFL history. After sitting for the first three years of his professional career, Love will be given the keys to the car. Some Packer fans think that he is going to total the car as he drives out of the lot (or at some point), based on what they have seen thus far from the Utah State product. Others think that he is going to be up to the task of driving the Ferrari and will do so very well, based on what they have seen thus far.
I think it's difficult to predict the outcome of the Love experiment and accurately project his future at the most important position in sports, due to the limited sample size. He has only started one NFL regular season game, and in total, per Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, has 157 snaps and 83 pass attempts under his belt.
The fact of the matter is that the only people that have an inside-and-out understanding of Love’s game and how he might project in the future are the people inside the building. Even then, they do not have a crystal ball.
General manager Brian Gutekunst put his plums on the table — just like the late Ted Thompson did when he drafted Rodgers with the 24th overall selection in the 2005 NFL Draft to eventually replace Favre, the three-time MVP — when he drafted Love in the first round of the 2020 NFL Draft. In the short term, the move backfired. Given that Rodgers won back-to-back MVPs, the 26th overall selection could have been used to bring in an immediate impact starter and potentially push the Packers closer to winning another Lombardi trophy.
The past is the past, though. Going forward, I believe the future can be broken down very simply — and it has nothing to do with how Rodgers performs with the Jets. If Love turns out to be a top-ten(ish) quarterback year-in, year-out, with years bordering on elite (Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan are two names that come to mind, but obviously not the current version of those players), then Gutekunst is a Harry Potter-level wizard, and because of that, the Packers will continue to enjoy quarterback success that stretches four consecutive decades.
However, if Love struggles and is not an adequate starting quarterback, then Gutekunst — and likely others — will join the unemployment line, and the decision to draft Love, with Rodgers still under contract, can be only categorized as a colossal mistake. The Packers may then face the reality of having a merry-go-round of quarterbacks, a situation that nearly every other team in the league has dealt with the past two-plus decades.
I think it is prudent, from a fan perspective, to give some time before deciding whether Love is the guy or not, since the Packers are entering a slight rebuild, but the clock is slowly but surely ticking. In the same vein, I won’t tell you how to be a fan, so you do you.
All of Jordan Love's throws from the 2022 regular season pic.twitter.com/E57mUt6qWt
— Justis Mosqueda 💎🤲 (@JuMosq) January 24, 2023
At the end of the day, some may be happy that Rodgers is leaving the organization, but I do not take pleasure in 12’s departure because, among other reasons, it would have been special to have him spend his entire career in Green Bay. Alas, all great things must come to an end. That does not mean a great thing cannot start again, however unlikely it may be.
Welcome to the Jordan Love era.
PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHEESEHEAD NATION WEEKLY NEWSLETTER HERE.
__________________________
Rex is a lifelong Packers fan but was sick of the cold, so he moved to the heart of Cowboys country. Follow him on Twitter (@Sheild92) and Instagram (@rex.sheild).
__________________________
Comments (114)
PatrickGB
March 17, 2023 at 12:09 pm
Rodgers has been often a “Wow” type QB for much of his career. Great throws that often broke the back of many good defenses. And he done it often with very very few interceptions. And early in his career he had the mobility to accurately throw on the run or jump that was unknown at the time,
From that short clip, I see Love making quick decisions and throwing with authority. He may not be quite as accurate and a tad slower in his release but he looks a lot better than he did early in his career.
T7Steve
March 17, 2023 at 12:29 pm
Good one Pat! "throw on the run or jump that was unknown at the time," even though its now known, the only one close to doing anything like it MIGHT be Patrick Maholmes. Maholmes still calls out some of the passes he's seen Rodgers throw as impossible for anyone else. He might have been stoking the AllStates fire, but it's true.
wildbill
March 17, 2023 at 01:17 pm
Favre taught Rodgers to jump throw as it protects your legs if hit while throwing.
T7Steve
March 17, 2023 at 01:25 pm
I remember that Rodgers talked about that.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 17, 2023 at 06:23 pm
Love isnt going to be the assassin type Rodgers was. He'll never have that kind of pinpoint accuracy. But he is going to be a big play machine. A more athletic Jared Goff with a much better arm. Im more than ok with that.
croatpackfan
March 17, 2023 at 06:36 pm
He already showed that he can throw in very tight windows.
Sorry guys, you all talk with not invest some time to search and see all possibilities and talent Jordan Love posses.
BTW, Jordan Love release is pne of the fastest, under 2 seconds. Not even ACR was that fast.
You can find all info on the internet. Just short search of it.
Packerpasty
March 17, 2023 at 07:08 pm
you mean like his last year in school where he took a massive step back?? Oh yah blame it on losing WR's to graduation, etc...people better pump the brakes with the unrealistic expectations for the kid...a few throws here and there in real games and thats some kind of proving grounds??
Oppy
March 17, 2023 at 09:17 pm
don't hesitate to buy your #12 Jets jersey.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 18, 2023 at 11:03 am
Pasty that was 4 years ago. Lets talk about the player he is now because thats all that matters.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 18, 2023 at 11:07 am
Croat, I was in no way slighting Love by saying he wont be an assassin like Rodgers. What I'm saying is he wont be asked to be. I mentioned Goff as the comparison because thats the kind of offense Love is going to run. If you remember what Goff looked like on the Rams when they had the best offense in football, add athletic ability and a rifle arm and thats what were gonna see with Jordan Love. Im pretty damn excited about it.
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 12:26 pm
Love is the cleansing breath we all need. I cannot wait to see this offense lighting it up with him at QB1. There's hope in Green Bay again with Love. To me, it's exciting thinking about all the new positive aspects of Packers football we will witness moving forward.
There's a lot to fix, and many unknowns to address from a personnel standpoint. I trust those roster holes will be filled with the best talents Gutekunst can procure. Again. I think his performance, and that of his Personnel Department has improved significantly over the years.
Even detractors have to admit he did a pretty damn good job bringing the Packers back from the brink after Ted's downfall. Those cupboards were pretty dry at the time. Gutekunst worked his best magic to help us contend again, under duress.
All GMs have their misses. Life happens. The human quality of the game of football. Gutekunst appears - to me - to be "an ascending talent."
__
"General manager Brian Gutekunst put his plums on the table — just like the late Ted Thompson did when he drafted Rodgers with the 24th overall selection in the 2005 NFL Draft to eventually replace Favre, the three-time MVP — when he drafted Love in the first round of the 2020 NFL Draft."
I do find both situations quite dissimilar. Aaron Rodgers was a projected #1 overall pick, and literally dropped 24 spots into -new- GM Ted Thompson's freaking lap, and became his 1st NFL Draft pick ever.
You know that ghost face? That's where he got it! Jaw, agape...!!! Eyes wide open...
How is that putting his plums on the table? That's more like striking gold and screaming "Eureka!" Let's add to that Brett Favre's annual nausea inducing threats of retirement to that situation. Hardly a gutsy move by Ted Thompson. It was a gift, akin to manna falling from Heaven.
Gutekunst, OTOH, definitely had some stones in trading up to select Jordan Love, after the projection 10 slot free-fall Gutekunst & his staff witnessed in real time, and traded up four spaces to steal him away from the other NFL teams who wanted Love. That was gutsy. That was Gutey.
__
Can't wait to see the kid playing within LaFleur's system, while zipping it to victory.
You know who WAS in all the minicamps last year, throwing to our new WRs? Like, all the throws? Building rapport, understanding, learning all the nuances, and the system LaFleur wanted to run, minus AR? Jordan Love.
Onward.
GPG
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 17, 2023 at 12:42 pm
Right on!
"Love is the cleansing breath we all need."
The start of a new era!
JohnnyLogan
March 17, 2023 at 12:52 pm
Agree that Love starting has excitement and potential built in, but that last line, within LaFleurs system” is what bothers me. LaFleur may not have a system based on his putrid play calling. Can’t put all the blame on Rodgers disobeying orders. LaFleur was the coach. There’s accountability.
Coldworld
March 17, 2023 at 04:13 pm
Well now we find out what LaFleur is. We need to. Either he’s a revelation or shortly will be gone now Rodgers can’t be blamed. That’s something as necessary as letting go of the past. It will be enlightening.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 17, 2023 at 06:26 pm
To be fair, Lafleur has never pointed a finger at anyone besides himself even when he probably wouldve been justified in doing so. I respect that about him.
BirdDogUni
March 18, 2023 at 12:22 am
Agreed, but that was because many times it was his %'in fault... ; )
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 08:18 am
Owning it is mere words if not backed by evidence of a willingness to address it. LaFleur has certainly been willing to accept responsibility but there has rarely been evidence of him addressing the causes. Indeed, we’ve regularly seen repetition of failings and admissions of responsibility. Collegiate yes, but futile.
wildbill
March 17, 2023 at 01:17 pm
Kizer 2.0
Untylu1968
March 17, 2023 at 01:29 pm
^^^^^^^
Stockholder 2.0
Packerpasty
March 17, 2023 at 07:11 pm
yes I do know who was in mini camps and training camp, I went and watched...he's o.k., it will be a huge surprise to me if he turns into anything but mediocre starter/career backup...hope I'm wrong cuz that will mean more than a few years of bottom dwelling in the div...
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 18, 2023 at 07:30 pm
Guess you saw something much different than everyone else!
stockholder
March 17, 2023 at 12:27 pm
Wait a minute.
Your going about this all wrong.
Sorry- but I don’t see the packers
putting their money to work.
I see a patch given a job, out of stupidity.
Everyone points to Rodgers Contract
as a colossal mistake. STUPIDITY?
Yet- You now trust these idiots.
But the biggest mistake is comparing Gutey to TT.
Thats just another point that has yet to be determined.
What really did Rodgers do wrong?
It's time to compare the FO negatives.To skunks.
And I don't like the smell of the perfume.
dblbogey
March 17, 2023 at 12:38 pm
I bet you're fun at parties.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 12:42 pm
That is a hot take, if I ever heard one...
; P
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 01:33 pm
"hot take..." LOL
Packerpasty
March 17, 2023 at 07:12 pm
bet your not..
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 12:43 pm
What did Mr. Miyagi say? I think we all know it wasn't: "Whack on. Whack off."
Wow, sh. Get a grip...! ...NO! Not that kind!!!!
The Ted Thompson myth that he could do no wrong in drafting players... my god, man!!!
Do you remember Justin Harrell? Brian Brohm? Derek Sherrod? Jerel Worthy? ... Khyri Thornton? Damarious Randall? Quinten Rollins? Jason Spriggs???
Whoosh.
stockholder
March 17, 2023 at 01:43 pm
The Ted Thompson myth that he could do no wrong
in drafting players... my god, man!!!
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Where did I say this.
Of Course TT drafted some players that didn't turn out.
The Comparison between Love and Rodgers is Bonkers.
To say Gutey followed TTs lead is pathetic.
It makes the case that Love is Rodgers.
And that is just plain HS.
It saying that the next GM is Gutey.
When we only need the next GM to be Lombardi.
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 03:21 pm
I didn't say Gutekunst followed TT's lead. Nothing close to it. I said they were dissimilar, like, not similar. And, um... that was not the complete list of Ted Thompson duds. Just a handful of his Day 1 & Day 2 misses.
I was being kind because I know all GMs miss. I met Ted, talked with him about his most recent draft at the time, shook his gigantic LB paw of a hand, thanked him for the chat and respected the hell out of him through his entire tenure with the Packers.
That was an experience I'll never forget. Gorgeous 70+ degree May morning around 11am, just after the 2010 draft where he took Brian Bulaga R1, Morgan Burnett R3, Andrew Quarless R4, Marshall Newhouse R5, James Starks R6. I was driving past the Pfister Hotel. He was standing there in an all white running suit leaning against the facade. I hit the brakes, whipped a shitty, rolled down the window of my XTERRA, and yelled, "Hey, Ted!" He walked up leaned through the window and I introduced myself, thanked him for his great work with the Packers, and told him what a nice job he did with the draft. He was very humble, affable, and had the very same kind of affect post draft that my friend John Hammond had as GM of the Bucks, and the man who selected Giannis... "Well, we'll see." In that big southern drawl too.
Hammy used to say the same to me, every draft. Even after he took Giannis. Hammy used to hang out in my painting studio in the mornings before shoot arounds. He'd bring coffee, and we'd just hang out, talk about the team, players, draft prospects. He invited me to practices at the Cousins Center....
No shit.
What are YOU talking about then? Because, all I read is bitch, bitch, bitch... There's not a GM on the planet that gets them all right. Nor half of them right.
Lombardi would have tossed your boy Rodgers out of Green Bay on his ass two years ago.
I think Gutey would have too, if Brian had been given the Head of Football Operations title Bob Harlan had initiated systematically for his GMs as Team President.
But, Mark McImnotanidiot Murphypants...
I happen to believe Love will be better than Rodgers, in less time than it took Rodgers to get up to speed in this NFL.
Both players getting their first real starts leading the Packers as QB1, 4 years after being drafted R1. Rodgers led the Packers to a 6-10 record in 2008.
Rodgers threw for 28 TDs and 13 INTs, 341 Cmp, 536 Att, 63.6% Comp%, 4038 yds and a 93.8 QB Rating.
Rodgers had seasoned veterans Donald Driver 74 rec 1203 yds 5 TD, and Greg Jennings 80 rec 1292 yds 9 TD to throw to, with an OL of Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz and Tauscher in front protecting him.
I have no problem betting that Jordan Love will outpace those numbers, with less proven talent around him.
jannesbjornson
March 17, 2023 at 05:14 pm
Vox Populi: Fan's Worldview...No Choir Practice, Today.
The Packers want more than a first-round pick as part of the base deal. They want protection in 2025, in the event Rodgers plays in 2024. And that’s more than the Jets believe they should surrender for a player the Packers no longer want.
These guys all need to stop talking. It’s like being at a car lot and letting the salesman know you walked there and your current car is on blocks in your driveway.
Frankly, it feels personal at this point, and that’s no surprise. Rodgers reportedly wanted Packers G.M. Brian Gutekunst to be fired a couple of years ago, something Rodgers never really tried to refute. Now, two years later, Gutekunst has a chance to exact a little revenge — and so he is.
If Gute says yes to anything short of a first round pick and at least one quality starter, he should be sued for malpractice.
What I’d like to know is that once Rodgers has left the Packers, do the Packers’ fans start holding the management accountable? Or do they find a new lightning rod to focus on lieu of focusing on the general incompetence that’s been on display over the past few years.
People are about to find out how incompetent Packers’ brass truly is, and I’m looking forward to it.
And of course, the Locker room cancer:
Lazard said that Aaron Rodgers is a big reason why he’s in the NFL because of the way his Packers teammate went to bat for him early in his career, so it definitely didn’t hurt to hear that the quarterback’s intention is to play for the Jets this season.
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 06:50 pm
I don’t think Gutekunst will get taken to the cleaners. Far from it.
The problem was Murphy McIdiotpants opening his big ass trap. The giant dope couldn’t help himself, just like his nemesis former QB1.
Murphy needs to be restrained.
We all do at this point. Especially the NYJ, who can seriously go fuck themselves with their lowballing BS. The Jets need to sit down and come back to reality.
jannes, I think both sides will find a decent meeting place in the middle before the draft, where NYJ gets Rodgers, and GB lands the #13 and a player.
jannesbjornson
March 18, 2023 at 11:13 am
Expect a three pick and money given back to the piggy bank. The fallback may be getting the 49rs bidding?
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 02:40 pm
Don't forget, %'in Mike Neal, DickRod, Datone Jones, Nick Perry, Pat %'in Lee...
jannesbjornson
March 17, 2023 at 05:17 pm
Justin Harrell...a guy with a back injury and a charge account@ Baskin Robbins.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 06:59 pm
gg mentioned Harrell up above... (That pick really pissed me off...) SM%inH
*We could've had:
Dwayne Bowe,
Brandon Meriweather
Jon Beason
Anthony Spencer
Robert Meachem
JOE STALEY
BEN GRUBBS
GREG OLSEN
ANTHONY GONZALEZ...
But no, we had to draft the guy with no work ethic, a bad back, and no desire to play... SMM%'inH
Those are the types of guys we need to avoid like Typhoid Mary... SMH
Oppy
March 17, 2023 at 09:32 pm
no work ethic or desire to play?
Injured? yes.
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 09:54 pm
Ops, Injured players are generally always injured.
Hard pass in draft with injury histories.
Oppy
March 18, 2023 at 10:36 am
1) That's not true, injuries are a part of football and the overwhelming majority of football players have had numerous injuries.. But I agree, it's definitely a calculated risk with players that have a history of recurring specific injuries.
2) Yes, criticize the pick, but it's generally not a player's fault that his body doesn't cooperate. You can't just decide to not get injured. I just hate it when fans equate an injury-riddled career with a lack of motivation, work ethic, or talent.
BirdDogUni
March 18, 2023 at 12:16 am
When he wasn't injured, he was lazy A%...
Total Bust
Oppy
March 18, 2023 at 10:33 am
Can you please support that statement?
I don't recall ever hearing a peep from team mates, coaches, etc about Harrell's work ethic being an issue. Yes, he showed up to camp his rookie year slightly overweight and his conditioning wasn't great. He wasn't far over and he wasn't a total couch potato.. he wasn't where they wanted him to be. That was the last time that was ever reported as an issue during Harrell's time with the Packers.
He had injury problems.
TOMMY'63
March 18, 2023 at 09:51 am
Yeah, but the tt fans say all gms miss ! But not like him.I believe if we had an owner , tt would have been sent home many years earlier
TOMMY'63
March 18, 2023 at 09:41 am
I totally agree with you. Many here believe that tt was an excellent gm,I surely don't. If we go back to a-rods prime,we had some of the most potent offences in the nfl. We put put up huge numbers. The problem that kept us from returning to the system,why? Tt never was capable of giving arod an excellent defense. We couldn't stop parked cars. Remember for 5-6 straight drafts all dbs? All of them were busts. If tt was able to construct solid defenses similar to the offences, it would of been arod not brady winning all the those damn super bowls
TOMMY'63
March 18, 2023 at 09:43 am
Sorry the super bowls
zerotolerance
March 17, 2023 at 12:43 pm
Please just go.
stockholder
March 17, 2023 at 01:45 pm
I can't - you need guidance.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 17, 2023 at 06:29 pm
SH, I gave you an upvote for the lolz
jurp
March 17, 2023 at 01:00 pm
"I see a patch given a job, out of stupidity."
Funny how I haven't read any analysts calling Love a "patch". Wonder why that is? Maybe because they know what they're talking about?
"What really did Rodgers do wrong?"
A lot of us have wasted a lot of time pointing out some of Rodgers' negatives, so I doubt anyone will answer your question. You might want to reread some of the comments in the posts over the last 2 weeks or so.
Coldworld
March 17, 2023 at 01:18 pm
You said the same when Rodgers replaced Favre. And you kept saying it until …
Untylu1968
March 17, 2023 at 01:27 pm
He didn't do anything wrong, just got old, too expensive and replaceable. The Love Train is coming to town! Get on board or get off the tracks...
stockholder
March 17, 2023 at 01:55 pm
Then why does everyone want him.?
For a Train that can only jump the tracks?
I never put the wagon before the Horse.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 02:21 pm
You knew 3 years ago when Gutey drafted Jordan Love this day would come. Just like we knew when TT drafted AROD...
What don't you understand?
The biggest reason is with 12 on the roster, we can't hardly afford to put a team on the field. He's ancient in FB years.
Nobody likes to say goodbye to a legend. A 1st ballot HOFer, but the day comes when the FO has to make that decision. They did. You don't have to like it. Just like you don't have to like Gutey, but if you hate it all so much, just go to the Jets page and tell them how lucky they are to have AR12...
You can revel in his greatness. You can recount stories of his legendary career in GB...
Go over and argue with the youngsters over on their page who say he's a diva, a liar, a me 1st guy.... A conspiracy theorist... Sure there are plenty of them over there.
Instead, it's "I am Gute hater..." (Reminds me of the tree in the movies with the trash panda...) Something Galaxy?
Just give it a rest bro.
(It's probably Al or Aaron making us look like idiots replying to them and they're LTAO...)
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 05:02 pm
Guardians of the Galaxy!
“I am Gute.” Too funny.
SoCalJim
March 17, 2023 at 05:16 pm
No, no, no! In this context, it’s “I AM Gute.” ;^D
jannesbjornson
March 17, 2023 at 05:19 pm
Belichick traded Jimmy and kept his ALL PRO.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 17, 2023 at 06:30 pm
Yeah because Brady won super bowls as in plural. Rodgers isnt Brady and should never ever again be compared to him in any form or fashion.
jannesbjornson
March 17, 2023 at 09:11 pm
Tell Brady that. He Knows Rodgers is the man. Brady had a Coach and a surrounding cast of Winners. Remember, Vinatieri sent three FGs home to win the Big Game.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 18, 2023 at 11:15 am
Brady won 3 super bowls throwing to nobodies like david patten, troy brown, david givens, and deion branch. Brady also had 15 career playoff game winning drives. Rodgers has 2. Again, not comparable. Brady was the ultimate winner regardless of the players around him. Rodgers is like the NFL's version of Roy McAvoy from the movie Tin Cup. The best thrower of the football that anybody's ever seen but a mental basket case who cant keep his shit together in the biggest moments.
Oppy
March 18, 2023 at 11:47 am
Brady knows Rodgers had greater arm talent than he did.
The difference between Rodgers and Brady is simple, and it's the difference between one diamond studded ring finger and the need for both hands to showcase the rings:
Brady trusts his team to help him win the big game. He will happily run a very intentional grind-it-out, run the ball down their throats drive to the 25 yard line and spike it with 3 left on the clock to allow your kicker to win the big game..
Rodgers on the other hand has spent 24 hours before the big game envisioning himself throwing the 30 yard bomb to his favorite wide receiver on 4th and 2 to seal the game. and he starting playing that way as soon as anyone drops a pass or fails to pick up the first down on the ground. Could be as early as the 2nd quarter in a tied game. Doesn't matter. He sees most of his team mates as liabilities and standing in the way of his glory. He's going to win the big game all by himself in grand fashion with the big throws.
And that, in a nutshell, is the difference between Tom Brady's game and Aaron Rodgers' game. Rodgers is more talented than Brady. And yet, Brady is the better football player, only because Brady truly understands he is part of a team that supports and compliments him, and he trusts them. Rodgers looks at his team mates and sees liabilities.
This is the part where you counter that Rodgers is right because the Packers have failed to supply him with talent. I'm not hearing that bullshit, so save it.
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 08:22 am
We don’t have to want Love. We just have to know this train is about to do a Casey Jones and opt to step off and change.
jannesbjornson
March 18, 2023 at 11:21 am
Who is Driving the Train? "Casey Jones, you better watch your speed..."
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 12:34 pm
I think Jordan Love has shown he has every physical attribute a top tier QB needs to be successful. I'm not as worried about Jordan Love as I am about MaLF and Barry coaching this team into position to win, and not blowing it with terrible calls on both sides of the ball.
I believe Gutey will be all in on drafting players for Jordan Love's era, so he can succeed immediately. I don't profess to know if that's a LT or WR or TE or RB early, or all four? I just can't see Gutey telling AR12 to HEADEAST and go back to drafting defense heavy, early, and often when he's trying to install "his" guy as QB1...
Gutey will be judged by this trade and JL10s career. He better make an effort to give him more weapons than he'll ever need as opposed to not enough.
If Gutey blows through draft picks giving Jordan Love playmakers and he can't get it done, we'll know Gutey %'ed up, but I don't see that happening...
Go 10 Go!
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 17, 2023 at 12:43 pm
Absolutely BD!
T7Steve
March 17, 2023 at 12:51 pm
I agree BDU. It isn't about who the QB is till we put a well-coached complete team around him. We still need help on the D though, but especially with Tanyan, Lazard and Cobb gone a year after losing Adams, he needs to double up on the O. I'd say he also HAS to bring in a FA on that side.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 02:27 pm
Depending on how many picks we end up with, I could seriously see:
2 - OTs
2 - WRs
2 - TEs
And maybe even a RB or two? Aaron Jones is getting older. I think Dillon is going to be in the last year of his deal, (not sure of that) so Gutey could draft a couple so they're ready to roll next season...
We all know when Gutey sees a perceived weakness he likes to bring in FA to fill the holes before the draft, but that may not be possible at all this year. He may double dip in the draft at perceived needs and then grab guys after cuts he think will fill the gaps he sees?
Should be interesting to say the very least.
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 05:31 pm
Hey BDU,
Change “2 WR,” to 2 EDGE, or 1 DE and 1DT, and I’m all in.
Safety is another position with nearly the same need factor applying as that of EDGE. Both may be greater needs than OT, depending upon how trade issues shake out, and Yosh Nijman’s R2 tender.
I really do think we are way better at WR than some might think. However, there at other factors that come into play.
At Safety, if you want a really good one, if the Packers don’t address the position by the end of R2, the chances of landing a quality starter drop dramatically, and good luck after R3-R4.
Other factors are bust rates per round, positionally, along with where the real difference makers are found by position historically in each round.
The best WRs are found in R1-R2. Both rounds provide nearly identical acumen/performance, with R1 providing both the top All-Pro WRs along with the biggest bust WRs.
Nonetheless, those first 2 rounds bring the difference makers at WR.
EDGE has the biggest bust rate of all other positions in R1, but also returns like All-Pro talents, similar to WR.
Best value for EDGE/DL is, oddly, R4.
OT and TE are the safest, lowest bust rate positions in any draft for R1. Best players at OT are found R1-R3 and best TEs are literally any round other than R7.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 05:57 pm
Right now we have 10 picks I believe? May have more shortly?
2 WR
2 TE
1 OT
1 RB
1 DT
1 OLBer
2 Safeties
_________
10 Plus whatever picks we get from the Jets...
I mean, there has been times I thought Gutey would go all offense and still he went mostly defense, so who knows what Gutey will do. We won't know until he does, but if I'm Brian G. - I'm getting the QB I drafted all the weapons I can...
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 06:07 pm
Man, I like that a lot.
The really smart play may be hitting the skill positions of WR and S one-two. Drop both of our R1s right there on Branch and someone like Quentin Johnston or Jaxon Smith-Njigba.
Big risk/reward picks, but the impact they could provide!
I love Branch for his sure play. The WRs mentioned for their true physical gifts to play WR. Thinking Smith-Njigba is likely the slot Ferrari we all have been craving.
Admittedly, I’m way behind in my own draft research, especially at WR. Don’t think it’s our 1, 2 or 3 need, at all, but snapping off a legit potential All-Pro who delivers the goods would help make our O dominant.
I have looked at the Safeties available this draft, and there are about 5 that I would really like on our Packers team. Do we need 2 Safeties? Maybe.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 06:36 pm
Well, we both know the draft is basically a 50/50 proposition... With that in mind, you do as much work scouting these guys as possible to negate as much risk as possible.
Now, if you draft Quentin Johnston and something bad were to happen or he's crazy or he's just not as good as we think, that could be a problem, but it could happen with JSN too...
I still think you have to swing for the fences for your 1st year starting QB... Go out, do your best job of scouting and talking to HS coaches and people where they grew up and get as much info about these kids as they can, and then throw the dice. Maybe Gutey likes Tillman? or another WR... He just has to get in position to draft the guys he likes. I hope he likes Darnell Washington a lot! I think him growing with Jordan Love from the jump could be very special in a year or three.
Maybe Gutey loves Broderick Jones and decides he needs to grab him to protect Love for a decade. That wouldn't bother me a bit. We know TT trained Gutey to draft the big guys first, so maybe he goes OL/OLBer in the first and TE/WR in the 2nd, and S in the 3rd? IDK, but we do know Gutey will have a plan, even if we don't necessarily like it or understand it after Day 1...
Maybe Gutey goes in saying if Johnston and Bijan are there at 13 and 15 those are my guys? It also wouldn't surprise me if Gutey were to trade back with one or both 1st rounders (if we get the Jets 1st rounder) this year, because I'm not really seeing those over the top blue chip players. I like Tyree Wilson but who knows how he'll compare with the other guys?
I'm not even sure I'd want a top ten pick this year. It seems so blurred this year at the top. We saw TT play it safe and draft Datone Jones and Worthy too, so I'd rather swing from the heels and try to get playmakers to make Jordan's job and future easier.
I just want to negate the Jace Sternberger's of this draft if at all possible...
Packerpasty
March 17, 2023 at 02:52 pm
why would he do this for Love when he didn't get any or very little help for Rodgers all those years?? Defense will be #1 again and hopefully a TE...Lazard and Big Bob flew the coop when they lost AR...
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 17, 2023 at 03:18 pm
Gutey was left trying to plug all the holes in the dyke with the team he inherited from TT and a few years with no one at the helm. On the contrary I think Gutey has done a pretty damn good job with the team he inherited. Gutey will rebuild the offense because it desperately needs help with average players like Tonyan, Lazard, and most likely Mercedes moving on. They needed replacement and improvement anyway.
Lazard may want to leave to be with the QB who helped pull him out of the ashes & helped his career. He also knows he will be a main target with his old QB with the Jets. Smart career move! Lazard can also make more money from the Jets than with the cap strapped Packers. Tonyan like Lazard also was a practice squad member for all intent and purposes who Rodgers helped make the jump to a quality starter. Tonyan will also get more money with the Bears. I am happy for both Lazard & Tonyan who I liked considerably. Practice squad players who brought their lunch box every day and worked hard for what they got with their last contract.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 04:36 pm
Because He Drafted Jordan Love? Maybe because if Love fails, he's done as GM of the Packers?
Maybe the game has changed and even Gutey realizes we need more weapons?
IDK, why do you think he would or wouldn't?
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 08:26 am
Suppose we didn’t draft Love. I find it very hard to believe that we wouldn’t have drafted another subsequently. I just see this as a debate built on a very questionable assumption.
fair_weather
March 17, 2023 at 12:35 pm
Did I miss something? Did the Rodgers trade finalize? You guys are exhaling a little early, don’t you think?
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 12:42 pm
No
T7Steve
March 17, 2023 at 12:53 pm
Do you actually believe Rodgers would come through the door at Lambo now?
You're just trying to get us going aren't you?
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 12:59 pm
His user name checks out though...
fair_weather
March 17, 2023 at 01:17 pm
Everyone is acting like it’s a done deal. What if it falls through? I don’t think anyone here who is in business would disagree that until a contract is signed it’s just words. Im just going to hold off on the parade for now.
T7Steve
March 17, 2023 at 01:24 pm
If it falls through and no other deal is done, he'll retire. He's not coming back to be Love's backup. Just like Favre wouldn't have.
LambeauPlain
March 17, 2023 at 02:05 pm
That is how I see it too...hope it is.
However, Rodgers does change his mind. (see his darkness retreat, fiancé's, etc)
He could come back if the Jets get cold feet...and force the Packers to cut him, I guess. After June 1, that would be a $75 mil cap kick in the groin...and another $25 mil cap kick in 2024. TGR has convinced me with these numbers, a Rodgers cut is near nil.
But between a Jets exit and a post June 1 cut, I expect a deal could be made with another team. I would not be surprised if some teams have already called to discuss the sales price. New England? SF? Ravens? Would Rodgers play for them? Jets have to consider all this before they bail.
jannesbjornson
March 17, 2023 at 05:48 pm
Until the Check clears the Bank...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 17, 2023 at 06:48 pm
Rodgers has already said he's never playing for the Packers again and I have to imagine the team shares that sentiment. Love is the quarterback whether Rodgers gets traded or not.
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 08:30 am
I don’t read Rodgers statements as being quite that unequivocal in the sense of not a guarantee to retire if he isn’t traded. I do agree that he’s almost certainly played his last down for us.
mnbadger
March 17, 2023 at 12:39 pm
Slow down Rex, the saga is still inching along, albeit at a rate equaling a few extra inches per day.
Thank you for the highlight real. Its nice to revisit some of those magical plays.
I disagree with the idea that if Jlo doesn't have a top ten QB type career that selecting him was a colossal mistake. Many people way smarter people than me, including Ron Wolfe, live by the idea that the best time to draft a quarterback is when you DON'T need one. I agree with that thinking.
I encourage the authors at CHTV and schmucks like me to resist the low lying content of comparing Love to AR12 or even bf4 until his playing days are over.
He'll have enough pressure running out of the tunnel & qb'ing the greatest professional football franchise of all time.
I so badly hope that he makes that top ten level of play and compensation based on team success only and not entirely on personal statistical success.
GPG! GJLG!
wildbill
March 17, 2023 at 01:22 pm
You mean Wolfe with his “fart in the wind” team he built?
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 17, 2023 at 12:39 pm
For all those who simply keep looking in the rear view mirror it's unfortunate, but it's over! There will be a time & place to honor AR.
Me....I am looking straight ahead and I think the future looks bright!
"I think it prudent, from a fans perspective, to give some time to decide whether Love is the guy or not".
Why? He clearly is the Green Bay Packers QB in 2023, and as such has my full fan support! The 2023 Packers is the start of a new era & one I'm really looking forward to bumps & all!
splitpea1
March 17, 2023 at 12:41 pm
Moving on....
The one thing that is certain is that Love is going to need more play-making weapons at his disposal if he is going to be successful--that means right now. Our TE room is pretty barren with Tonyan gone and Lewis drawing interest from other teams, so Gute needs to be focused on high floor players with a track record who can make an impact in minimum time (I'm thinking Mayer, Kincaid, and Washington; do not gamble on Musgrave). We obviously need major help at WR as well with Lazard's departure and Watson's issues with staying on the field.
The other big question is who will back up Love. Now that Mariota is gone, I can't see any plausible veteran solutions the Packers would be interested in. So where does Gute draft a QB and does it throw a monkey wrench in our anticipated draft plans?
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 02:18 pm
Hey splitpea1! Great stuff.
I'm beginning to wonder if we do need another WR. Brian Gutekunst shrewdly stole WR Bo Melton off of SEA's practice squad in December, while no one was looking. I think we all can agree that was very out of character for Gutekunst. Can't recall the last player he swiped off another team's PS...
Bo Melton is a very gifted, young slot WR, versatile enough to work outside, or virtually anywhere. But, he had the majority of his experience as a WR from the slot. He's a crisp route runner, and a burner with 4.34 speed. He's a strong, sure handed receiver who carries that QB's Best Friend badge. He is regularly able to get great separation because he's such a good route runner.
He fell in last year's draft because he had an absolutely horrific QB at Rutgers. His QB was so bad that Bo ranked #2 in FBS in uncatchable targets. From 2017-2019, no Power 5 WR ranked higher in uncatchable targets. Take screen passes out of the equation, and Melton's Catchable Target Rate was 7th worst in Power 5 over a 3 year span!!!
Despite that, he ranked #19 amongst Power 5 WRs over a two year span in deep receptions. Melton's separation was in the 86th percentile of his draft class. Melton also had double digits in broken tackles over his last 2 seasons at Rutgers. The kid is gifted.
Bo Melton shows a good understanding of how to run routes and set up DBs, and has spectacular plays on tape to prove it if you look him up. He's shifty, speedy, explosive, runs all the routes and is tough as nails. Tons of YAC.
Nonetheless, if one of the biggies falls in R1, or they feel the pick warrants the player, I could see the Packers adding another Top WR to pair with Watson/Doubs.
This draft is insanely rich in TE talent. It wouldn't surprise me if they add TE Darnell Washington - and - a WR in R1, should that trade yield the extra R1. Could you imagine the nightmare that would be for opposing defenses?
Wooooo!
btw, You bring up a great point on Love's backup. At this stage, I don't think he really needs that veteran mentor in his ear. Plus, he's got Tom Clements. I think the Packers would be best served drafting another QB for depth, or signing one in UDFA, where Gutekunst's Personnel Staff is adept at monitoring talent and closing deals.
dobber
March 17, 2023 at 02:33 pm
"Can't recall the last player he swiped off another team's PS..."
Well, in 2021 there was Rasul Douglas...LaDarius Hamilton...Tyler Davis...
greengold
March 17, 2023 at 02:36 pm
Did he really?
Nevermind...! LOL
Hell, it's March and I had no idea that he signed Melton... I was hoping he'd make his way to us. Boom. There it is.
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 04:41 pm
I was disappointed we didn't see him against the Lions... (Our last game...)
dobber
March 18, 2023 at 12:18 pm
The Packers signed Melton as an insurance policy at KR/PR when Keisean Nixon got hurt later in the season. Melton didn't see the field because his ticket to being a game day active was being cashed by Nixon (who played through his injury). With Nixon back, and with the Packers finding enough shiny trinkets in this offseason, I think Melton has a hard time making this roster in 2023.
splitpea1
March 17, 2023 at 03:00 pm
We need another WR and any TE that can block. As for Melton, he has yet to play a snap in a game that counted, so that falls into the wait-and-see category.
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 08:41 am
Agree. I liked the potential of Melton as a third day slot/option and return prospect. He’s effectively a late round draft pick a year later from a very deep receiver class. I think he has potential, especially if we see the type of O MIA since 2020.
Watson, Doubs, Toure, Melton and Jeff Cotton is the current WR room. Yes we need to add to that.
We need at least 7 going into camp and 5 potentially active. We also need to see a O with more catchers per snap than last year if it’s to thrive in my opinion. Personally, I’d prefer to get these via the draft than FA. given our cap and circumstances.
Cotton looks like a guy who makes tough contested catches over the middle and can get YAC. He isn’t slow and has burst more than quick feet. He can certainly elevate.
In a COVID recorded (under NFL protocols) individual workout in 2020 at a High School, Cotton logged a 4.21 short shuttle, a 40-yard dash of 4.38 seconds, 36½ inches vertical jump, 7.01 3-cone drill and 14 reps on a parking-lot bench press. He’s played in one game with the Jags but effectively only on STs.
Packerpasty
March 17, 2023 at 02:56 pm
So now Gute is actually going to get the QB some help when he didn't all those years with Rodgers?? Why are these guys on offense leaving...its not just money...they could have easily afforded Tonyan...not that he's all world TE...Gute is going to go Defense I would bet...gotta have weapons for our brilliant defensive coach..
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 18, 2023 at 07:37 pm
Hmmmm....why?
Watkins is gone! Cobb is gone! Lazard is gone! Tonyan is gone! Big Dog is likely gone!
That is five WR's & TE's!
You cannot figure out why Gutey has to replace them? LOL!
Packers0808
March 17, 2023 at 12:51 pm
One thing I will not miss is some guy {Rodgers] thinking he controls the team as a player. All I have to say!
BirdDogUni
March 17, 2023 at 12:58 pm
*As QB1, he did control the team when he was on the field...
Just like JL10 will when he's on the field.
*It's their %'in job.
Packers0808
March 17, 2023 at 01:15 pm
Obviously not my reference, talking about behind the scenes and his favorite buddy BS!
wildbill
March 17, 2023 at 01:25 pm
And your “proof” of that is all the so called sports media who will post anything for clicks, while you eat it all up. You love the drama and won’t be happy unless there plenty in our upcoming season
Packers0808
March 17, 2023 at 01:46 pm
Your name of WildBill fits with lack of knowledge, if you listened close enough your heard right out of the mouth of Rodgers of how w he wanted "his" buddies back for him to come back, like Cobb for one just this year on January 17th on the Pat MacPhee show for any
bottlefliper
March 17, 2023 at 06:01 pm
Yeah, because a value free guy like AR blames the Media on everything even when they are right. AR is way worse than any Media and he Would sell his mom if he would still talk to here. AR is the one who is all about clicks and attantion. Thats all he is. No need for weak, crazy, brainwashed fox viewers. We have so much great smart media but with trump the Truth got killed and AR operates the same way. Sad but fitting, but some got tricked all the time and not all are deplorables. Lombardi would have send packing him 10years ago with all his lies. But the corona stuff was the top of stupidity. Thats all he is, but the media, Sure.
Untylu1968
March 17, 2023 at 01:39 pm
I just wonder if he'll be coachable? I would assume it takes discipline to fight the urge to snap the ball early in the play clock! I hope he has the ability to wait until the very last second, that's my favorite... I'll miss screaming at the TV, snap the God damn ball!!
LambeauPlain
March 17, 2023 at 01:50 pm
Regarding drafting Love in the first, Rex wrote: "In the short term, the move backfired."
Using this criteria, drafting Rodgers in 2005 in the First Round backfired in the short term too.
In 2005 the Packers went 4-12...Sherman was fired and McCarthy got a hold of Favre's "what the hell" gunslinging and INTs and in 2006, Packers went 8-8, then 13-3 and NFCCG in 2007. In 2008, Rodgers 4th season and first as starter after Favre's messy divorce, the Packers went 6-10.
Long term, the pick of Rodgers turned out to be brilliant, lucky, a bit of both.
I simply do not see Love being a backfired move. The book on him will begin in year 4...the same as it did for Rodgers.
PackBacker
March 17, 2023 at 02:59 pm
I'd probably comment on this but I'm running late for my 4-day darkness retreat. But when I re-emerge from the inky void of blackness back into the light, I'll have absolute metaphysical clarity of thought not normally achievable by mere mortals and I'll comment then.
PAPackerbacker
March 17, 2023 at 04:59 pm
Rodgers is a hard act to follow. But so was Brett Favre. Love deserves a chance to lead the Packers forward. Surround Love with a good OL and protect him and I feel good things will happen. I'm confident in his skills. Time will tell. Go! Pack! Go!
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
March 17, 2023 at 06:46 pm
The baloney stops here, only I didnt say baloney.
Rebecca
March 17, 2023 at 06:59 pm
If the defense is brilliant, Love will be fine. He’s got the kind of demeanor this team needs. Cool and intense at the same time. What’s not to Love?
Packerpasty
March 17, 2023 at 07:01 pm
I guess we'll find out in a few months...hopefully better than mediocre that won't fly in this division anymore..everyone got stronger with additions, Packers subtracted..
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 09:13 am
We need to regroup, discover an offensive identity, develop players and prove Barry is competent while blooding a new QB and starting to work off dead cap. This year is going to be one of discovery about what we really have in coaching terms as well as players. I look to see growth and I look to see our coaches prove that they are worthy. Personally I see that as a very open outcome question.
This could merely be the first stage of an organizational enema. If Love, Watson, Walker and co can grow during it, that’s a win for me, and a path back to being able to become contenders beyond that. With or without this coaching regime. It will be an interesting year.
Bearmeat
March 17, 2023 at 07:12 pm
Regardless of 12's quirks, and there were many... he is going to be 40 this year and this team is not built to win it all, elite QB or not. It wasn't last year, nor in 2021 either. 2020 was our last legit shot, and Rodgers choked.
It was past time to move on, both emotionally, and with the math being what it was.
I'm hopeful Love will be a very good starting QB and crossing my fingers he can become more. I will look forward to watching this team this year, win lose or draw. And that is in complete contrast to the past year, where I could hardly watch them.
Go 10 go!
Swisch
March 17, 2023 at 08:51 pm
Well, we can give Love at least the same margin for error that we gave Rodgers in his first season as a starter.
Rodgers was 6-10 in 2008.
That may be where the Packers of 2023 end up under Love.
However, I think it's plausible, though not probable, that the Packers go 9-8 or better and claim a playoff spot.
I'm excited to find out how both Love and LaFleur do this upcoming season, and how the team responds around them.
I'm excited about the Packers probably being more of a team with Rodgers gone, and I think that will work wonders over the next couple of seasons.
Coldworld
March 18, 2023 at 09:44 am
The other difference this time is that we have LaFleur not McCarthy. I had a lot more faith in the coaching then than I do now. Love is going to be starting in an environment where there are legitimate questions to be answered about the coaching.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 18, 2023 at 07:40 pm
In agreement all around Swisch!
croatpackfan
March 18, 2023 at 02:03 am
What to say new that did not said already about this drama, saga ... call it what you want.
Fans who do not like Jordan Love will try to find his shortcomings and to oversized it. Fans who like Jordan Love will try to oversize his qualities.
Again, I was stunned when I finally start to dig out from internet all analyses of Jordan Love. After finished my search I can only say that Jordan is well poised young guy, especially when you take in the account that his father passed away when he was 14.
Also, we can not avoid comparation we will all do between ACR and Love. I inderstand that. But what I would like to hear or read is comparation between them at the same time line of their carriers.
If we compare Jordan Love of today with the best seasons of ACR, there will be no true comparation. We can try to forecast what Jordan Love would be, but that is crystal ball business.
What we can is to dig into the past, take out ACR film from the very same phase of his carrer and than to compare to todays Jordan Love play.
Second fair comparation would be comparation of the play ACR show at the end of his Packers career and to see how it will stands of what today Jordan Love shows.
Those comparation should not be used to find out who is better between those 2, but to get idea why Packers did the move thay made.
Can we respect both players, accepting that Love is not ACR (I'm talking about 2 different types of personalities, not about level of playing) and that he will play to his advantages and shortcomings, like ACR did in the past. So, only thing what we will able to compare will be results that one already achieved, and second one will achieve.
I'm strongly part of Love train group, and, despite some of you thinks differently, I do not hate ACR, just do not like his "antics". I also enjoyed his best shows on the field as any of you. But, when it is the time to move, it is the time.
And, please, do not be affraid of change.
Thank you!