flaw... reason number 1... Aaron Rodgers is no longer the best player in the game, if he ever even was.

Let's start by being honest with ourselves and everyone else and take off the green and gold goggles.

The GBP made him the highest paid in the past, and that contract was a year too soon, if the GB FO is not logged into reality the franchise is in big trouble. There is no need to make AR the highest paid player of all time, not at this stage of his career. Acknowledge reality and move forward accordingly in terms of contract or trade compensation.

1. Yes the magical word is contention. And Rodgers is the face of this franchise.- With the retirement talk. The smart play is to let it play out. But kicking the can down the road has to stop. I like my credit card too. But the fees suck. Debt ruins a business. Contracts are a binding agreement. And if they keep breaking them. Your going to get an unfair labor practice. Rodgers is coming back. He's earned that right. I like are chances.

Well, I have finished the article on solving the puzzle of the salary cap. So, that should help explicate Bruce's point. That article should come out some time today.

As a note, the contracts of King, Tonyan, Sullivan and Campbell void today. They must be extended today or their dead money hits will be charged now (not on March 16th) to the cap. King has $3M, Tonyan $1.8M, and Campbell and Sullivan just under $1M each.

This is such a challenging situation. It literally is the crossroads for the team…more like a T on the road. You either go rebuild or you wax nostalgic and see what happens. This is not like the BF situation. QBs can play longer because they don’t get the crap kicked out of them like they once did….and GB Oline is as good as there is in the NFL….at Min. Top 5 when full strength. AR has significant value on the trade market, he likely is deciding between GB for the rest of his career or one last run elsewhere. Add to all this the cap situation…a bandaid ripoff and reset or multiple years of cap manipulation.

Oh yeah…JL has not shown to be AR…it does not mean he can’t become a good NFL player, but his lack of accuracy and arm strength are concerning. He also has not benefited from QB camps of the past or normal off season programs…so who knows long term.

As a fan, I am torn. If he is traded, the draft will be fun…but October and November may be months of pain. Stay with AR and success will be had in the regular season, but the NEw Orleans model will follow.

There is pain ahead…the question is when it comes. After the way BF ended his time in GB…I am in favor of the romantic ending and ultimate farewell tour down the road. However, if they go the other route…it will be a fun Spring!

12 put the Q in qb and he is no play off player. Can hit the wall any time.........

One more bite of the apple, one more shot at the title, one more oh forget it. Rather get the cap under control and have multiple picks for 2023 then hope for a different outcome with Rodgers.

I've posted it a dozen times already, I'm totally ready to move on from Rodgers. Yes, I understand the Packers would be be lucky to win 10 games, but you just CAN'T continue to kick the can down the road.

The Saints did it with Drew Brees and are $80 million OVER the cap going into year TWO without Brees. Unless Rodgers is playing for $25 million a year AT THE MOST, the Packers will have to pay a similar price the Saints are paying for years after Rodgers hangs it up. That's a lot to risk for a QB who's 0-4 in his last 4 NFCCG, went out last season without a whimper, and looked like a guy who wanted NO PART of being out on that field despite saying for the last several years he wanted it at Lambeau for a chance to go to the SB. He asked for it, got it, and couldn't even get out of the divisional round on a night where his defense didn't even give up a TD! Blame ST's all you want and I'll even agree with you to a point, but the facts are Rodgers had MULTIPLE opportunities to get it done, and looked like a guy who didn't want to be there.

No offense, but the precedent was sent LAST year when they renegotiated his contract making it for 2 years instead of 3. Now, they have a opportunity to get a haul of picks and players for a player who's not getting it done. I know losing sucks and will Love we just don't know what will happen. But I've lost faith in Aaron Charles Rodgers, and I lost it when he looked like he wanted no part of the 49ers on that frigid Saturday night.

One is debatable. The now you reference is in fact last season. Beyond that, Rodgers is one of the best and certainly the most statistically efficient QBs, but he’s slowing and consistently struggles against certain defenses.

Two is dubious. Brady is an outlier, but he won grafting on to a hugely stacked roster, not because of stellar QB play. He’s also in a league of his own in terms of tactical awareness. That didn't age. Manning is hardly indicative of a current trend and, in fact, 2 data points seldom are. This point is simply not sustainable in my view.

Three is just rubbish. It’s equally true to say that players know how the league works. Moreover they want to play for a team that has the ability to make hard choices that breed confidence in success. Look at the Pats appeal in the Brady/BB era. Ceding control to a star player is seldom popular for long or successful. This reason is not one at all.

There is only one legitimate reason to pay the huge amount forward required to return Rodgers and an only somewhat diluted roster. That is a credible belief that Rodgers plus the resulting roster gives us a strong chance to get to a Super Bowl and win it. That is the only thing that justifies the inevitable pain and loss of draft capital.

After 3 years of similar flameouts on offense and in coaching too, I see very little that justifies the belief that Rodgers a year older can beat good teams who now know how to paralyze him all too well without a very strong roster around him. The cap essentially removes that eventuality and even a draft for the ages likely takes 3 years to really pay full dividends. So the hugely statistically improbable would payout after he’s done or with him in his 40s

There is no valid reason but the belief that Rodgers has a strong chance to carry a weaker roster to a Super Bowl. Few I’ve seen really believe there’s more than an outside chance, at best, that he gets us a Super Bowl. That’s not enough to qualify as a reason and even less so to hamstring the team for most of the rest of the decade.

PS: A note on the cap.
The first really big tranche of cap expansion is anticipated to hit in 2024 (not next year), based on timing and past practice. Typically it feeds in over about three years. It’s worth noting that this time the players are guaranteed a bigger share than the last time this happened (CBA). Most commentators expect a more rapid and dramatic increase in player costs as a result.

The second caution is that the increases that I’ve seen speculatively projected for 2024 would be swallowed by various proposals to shove cap forward to retain Rodgers and others. So, little help next year, maybe a net loss with player costs after. Not going to do much to help restock the roster around Rodgers while he’s still playing.

It may help speed the rebuild through the second half of the decade potentially, depending on how far out the void years run, not necessarily immediately. Either way, it is unlikely to be the “get out of jail” card some seem to think during Rodgers remaining playing career.

I love how every one wants to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. The dude has a big blind spot and he will never change.

"Now, they have a opportunity to get a haul of picks and players for a player who's not getting it done."

That sentence makes no sense. Why would a team give up a haul of picks and players for a player who, in your own words, is not getting it done in the playoffs? I've been saying for months that this "boatload" of picks/players is just wishful thinking. I just don't see how any GM of a team that feels it's "one player away", would trust Rodgers to be that one player with his playoff history. Bill O'Brien is no longer a GM and Dan Devine is dead.

Bruce, you forgot this reason: If you're in the FO, you keep Aaron Rodgers because it's the easy thing to do and will keep your job secure for at least two years which, if you're Murphy, is when you'll retire, and, if you're anyone else, is when you'll have bailed out of the Packers to work for a different team.

I would trade him if given enough draft capital, otherwise keep him. But AR (the part-time GM) has to understand that his buddies (Cobb and Adams, possibly Crosby) have to go or he needs to take a big pay cut to keep Cobb. I really like the idea of getting a jump on the rebuild with a H. Walker like trade.

Either way, I would try to improve the WR speed. I think two factors that open up the offense are a very fast WR (MVS, most likely gone) and Dillon pounding the ball. MVS was missing for the whole SF game, and Dillon for second half.

Given the previous, AR really is the best bet to win the superbowl for the next couple of years. For older QBs, you really need a good OL. Old guys don't recover from the hits near as fast. Both the examples given (Brady and Manning), the teams were more about the defense, and a QB that didn't screw it up.

Packers can get 90 million under the cap and lose only Z Smith , Lewis and Cobb a lot of restructuring for many players but can be done the breakdown is on another site but it’s valid, down vote away 13 .

While subject to debate, I think Mahomes is above Rodgers at this point. Stafford always was a good QB at Detroit but showed he deserves top-flight consideration in the league. Burrow isn't far behind.

1. Extend Rodgers and restructure the team and probably make the playoffs. 2. trade him and plan for the future and hope for the team to remain competitive. 3. Bitch about someone’s opinions.

Whether he stays or wants a trade the packers will benefit. If he retires than the packers are screwed no rodgers no compensation.

Rogers' recent playoff performances have been disappointing, but he is still a very, very good QB. Green Bay with Rogers for a couple more years would have a good shot at a Super Bowl - but, maybe we don't need those games in frigid GB. IF we can keep him on a reasonable contract, we should be happy, and hope lightening strikes again. On the other hand, we can't compromise too much of our future; so IF we are offered a haul, we should take it. I bet most of the people whining that Rogers can only win 13 regular season games do not know what half the league is living with.

This is a re-post because we are at a critical juncture in Packers history and I believe we absolutely must consider the January weather conditions before making a decision! What good is a frozen tundra if we cannot defend it?

We cannot discount the elements! Football is a young man's game and the frozen tundra is no place for old men. Brett Favre (1996) and Aaron Rodgers (2010) were awesome on the frozen tundra as young men but the frozen tundra won in the end (2008/2022)! I understand AR12 and his Green Bay legacy. Unfortunately, he can no longer get it done in the elements. Put him in a dome and he could sling precision guided missiles for many years to come...

With that being said, I trade AR12 to Washington because they are giving up Chase Young, 2021 defensive rookie of the year! As a bonus, he comes from the OSU so he and Gary will be competing every day to outperform each other! Then I take the best DT in this draft (Jordan Davis, UGA) with Washington's 11 pick. So now our defensive front consists of Chase Young, Jordan Davis, Kenny Clark, Rashan Gary. With TJ Slaton in reserve. Think about that! That makes a scary 4 man front which makes the whole defense better! With a young, strong defensive front for many years to come, it takes a lot of pressure off of the offense. I don't know what JL10 will give us but I do believe now is the time to move on from AR12.

Our salary cap is a mess. I hate to say it, but I’d trade him for a boat load and build up a top 5 D. Love is the wild card. Not very impressed with him so far but his sample size is so small. Maybe draft a top prospect QB in 2023.

Actually, I would interpret # 3 "It's the Packers Way" - as a reason to move on from Rodgers.

There is a glaring fault with the FO - that is they are usually slow to make key football decisions. For instance, not replacing sooner Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy. And then there has been the STs fiasco. It seems that the FO is more reactive than proactive - which has setback the development and success of the team over the years.

If the FO brings backs Rodgers - that decision will likely go into the FOs Hall of Bad Decisions. I hope that I'm wrong. However, the history on the FO shows that they generally do things one year late than one year early.

Packers upper organization only wants Rodger's back because like John Madden said, your gonna get 10 wins with Brett Favre or Aaron Rodger's. The upper organization doesn't want to work. Let's sign Rodger's and we're all in to go play golf.

We shouldn't put too much stock at this time in anything any of the parties- the Packers, A Rod or other NFL clubs- say about Rodgers' future. To quote a phrase from the old "Seinfeld" show, "It's the timeless art of seduction."

All parties are meneuvering for best advantage and wearing their poker face. We really won't know anything for sure until the new league year and free agency commences next month.

I can think of only one reason for the Packers to go out to keep Rodgers, though. They have concluded that Jordan Love is a bust. Not only not ready but never going to be. If that's the case we can question Gutey's judgment in aggressively going out to get him in the first place.

At this point there is only one reason to bring Aaron Rodgers back. That is the team believes they can still win an SB with him at some point during the next 2-3 seasons. Having said that, if the Packers do in fact extend Rodgers the team's management is basically saying, "Damn the salary cap, full speed ahead!"

Remember they may have seen enough of Love (in practice) to know that they can't win with him. They may also already know that they will not receive an offer from another team commensurate with the value they believe that they should get for Rodgers. If nothing else they may believe that Rodgers gives them at least a chance to win over the next few seasons while they continue to search for the next franchise QB via the draft. Of course the wild card remains that Rodgers decides to retire. But they probably already know what Rodgers wants to do next.

In any case I don't expect the same crew that got the Packers into this mess can successfully get them out of it. Thanks, Since '61

My point is this - I am not a fan of #12's antics over the last few years. Leaked rumors on draft day - covid misinformation - all crap. Now I blamed MM and TT for our lack of success prior to MM's getting kicked down the road ( and it reflected in #12's attitude on the field). But I was not a fan of #4's attitude his last few years - I am going to retire - no I am not. But he did lead us to a NFC championship game in his last season only to throw a pick to allow the Giants to go onto the Superbowl. The point of this whole scenario is that everyone needs to put their hatred of #12 aside and evaluate the actual facts. First fact - he just won 13 games 3 years in a row. He just won back to back MVP's because he was just that - passing yards passing efficiency lack of INT's winning games. Finally - he has 3 less hard years on his body than all other at 38. Ben Preston Brady Rivers all started from the start of their career - #12 sat 3 years. So the likelihood of him completing a 3 year term is high. So the idea has to be this - and I think that Gute and the boys recognize it - get the team and salary cap in order for a 3 year run. There may be a few guys who need to go find a better deal - but that always happens. Can we do what Tampa did this year - bring everybody back? That depends on #12 and how much he is willing to give and take on his contract negotiation. But one needs to realize - if he is traded - no matter who they bring in we will probably see 3 or 4 years minimum on the bottom of the NFC North - guaranteed. Does anybody want to see that - I dont.

Let's sign Rodger's and we're all in to go play golf!

Let's sign Rodger's and we're all in to go play golf!
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I don't think AR wants to go anywhere. Reasoning, he has it all here and knows what he has. Going elsewhere he my not rule the roost. Second if he was retiring he would know by now. No my take he told the pack he will be back if he can have Adams and as many others they can keep. Last if Denver was in play he would not have split with his girl who lives in colo.. no he is coming back and the deal will bankrupt this team down the road.
Hey our mn wild are paying 18 mil in salaries to two players not even on the team. They will do this for two more years for writing terrible 10 year contracts to two players who were the promised Land. Hate to see packer fans end up in similar shit for some short term benefit. (2 years)
They could get some nice picks for rodgers and rebuild quickly but they fear losing and being fired