Tonyan's Return Is Not A Given

Green Bay's young, breakout tight end might draw strong attention from other teams.

Is tight end Robert Tonyan a true breakout NFL star with an All Pro future?  Or is he just an average talent who is made to look better than he really is because he has a Hall of Fame quarterback throwing to him? 

 

The way other NFL teams choose to answer that question may determine whether Tonyan returns to the Packers for the 2021 season. 

 

While Green Bay fans debate whether and how to re-sign Aaron Jones, Corey Linsley and Kevin King, the return of Tonyan is largely taken for granted, probably because, unlike the previous three, Tonyan is a restricted free agent.  So all the Packers have to do is drop a tender offer on him and he comes back cheap, right? 

 

Not so fast. 

 

It may not be quite that simple.  Yes, Green Bay has three options.  A right of first refusal tender, a second round draft pick tender, and a first round tender.   Overthecap.com projects those tenders to cost, respectively, $2.1 million, $3.38 million, and $4.76 million.   

 

The cap-strapped Packers would love to get away with re-signing the former undrafted free agent for $2 or $3 million.  But the question is not what Green Bay thinks he’s worth.  It’s what other teams think he’s worth.   

 

Tonyan, somewhat quietly, had a Pro Bowl caliber season in 2020.  He caught 52 passes for 586 yards and 11 touchdowns.  Among NFL tight ends, only Travis Kelce had as many scores.  According to Pro Football Focus, no one at Tonyan’s position was better in catch percentage, drop percentage (he had not a single drop in 2020) or passer rating.  The only reason Tonyan was not selected to the Pro Bowl is because that achievement tends to be a popularity contest based on name recognition.  Prior to 2020, no one except Packer fans had ever heard of Robert Tonyan. 

 

But be assured the rest of the NFL took notice.  And if they regard the ex-Indiana State performer as a budding star with All Pro potential, they might be willing to pay him a lot more than Green Bay is willing to match.   

 

How much?  According to Spotrac, George Kittle is currently set to be the highest paid tight end in the league in 2021 at an average of $15 million per year.  Kelce is close behind at $14.3.  Tonyan is not in that zip code.  But consider that other tight ends who did not approach Tonyan’s productivity, such as Austin Hooper, Zach Ertz, Jimmy Graham, Tyler Higbee, Jack Doyle and Cameron Brate will make at least $7 million in 2021.   It’s certainly within reason to think that a team in need of upgrade at the position would offer $7 million or more for a young, Pro Bowl caliber player just entering his prime. 

 

Which brings up two questions:  Would the Packers match that amount to keep him, and would the offering team be willing to give up the draft pick required by the tender? 

 

Let’s say Green Bay puts a second round tender on Tonyan.  They’d pay just under $3.5 million to sign him.  At that tender price, it would be very easy for another team, with cap money to spend, to make a considerably higher offer, knowing the Packers can't or won't match.   Would such a team be willing to give up a second round pick?   

 

Might seem far-fetched to you at first, but consider it is a very lean year for tight ends at the top of the draft.  Florida’s Kyle Pitts is widely thought to be the only first round talent on the board, with a huge drop after him.  If a team feels Tonyan is better right now than Pitts, and sees tight end as its primary need, why not give up the pick for him?  Heck, some team out there might even give up a first round pick if they believe Tonyan to be the real deal. 

 

What team might do that?  How about the Arizona Cardinals?  They seem to be going all in this off season, considering the layout they just made for J.J. Watt.  They are still $12.5 million under the projected cap, and they are looking to upgrade from their current tight end Dan Arnold, who played at UW-Platteville.   The Carolina Panthers are in the market.  The best they could do at tight end in 2020 was Ian Thomas.   The former Indiana Hoosier mustered only 20 catches for less than 150 yards.  Carolina, as of this writing, is $15.6 million under the projected cap. 

 

Maybe the rest of the league doesn’t see Tonyan as a potential top talent.  Maybe he is one of those guys who is more valuable to the Packers than he would be to anybody else.  Maybe Green Bay can get away with a second round tender.  Maybe the Packers will make all of this moot  by negotiating a cap-friendly multi-year deal with him.  Maybe we really can take his return for granted. 

 

Hope so.  You can’t help but love Bobby.   But it remains to be seen if other teams love him too. 

 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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nostradanus's picture

March 08, 2021 at 06:31 am

Yep,absolutely love the myth and legend of Big Bob Tonyan! But it is a tight salary cap year.

Bob has had one good year and has had some injuries before that.

Tag him with a 2nd round tender and if someone comes calling take the 2nd and mooooove on.

That is all...

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Guam's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:15 am

I like Tonyan, but I would rather have a second round pick. Between Sternberger, Deguara and Funchess (who played TE at Michigan), I think Tonyan can be replaced and another second round pick could fill a different hole (DT, OT, CB).

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D.D.Driver's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:59 am

True and Marty Bennett and Jimmy Graham were easy replacements for Jared Cook.

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Guam's picture

March 08, 2021 at 10:15 am

Didn't say it would be easy, just possible and the offset is helping another position get better.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 08, 2021 at 03:52 pm

Sternberger?

He’s a lock to get hurt in camp. If he’s lucky he’ll get cut before he suffers another concussion.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 08, 2021 at 06:15 pm

I tend to agree. The thing is that I'd be a lot happier with Carolina's 2nd (Pick 39) than Indy's 2nd (pick 54).

I just think the quality of the prospect available in the thirties and early forties is noticeably better than in the mid-fifties and sixties.

In terms of matching an offer sheet, the principal terms of the offer have to be matched exactly - that includes base and roster bonuses. GB could alter the contract in 2022 but if the offer has a $7M cap hit for 2021, there is nothing GB can actually really do to change that number.

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stockholder's picture

March 08, 2021 at 06:49 am

Tonyan was Chewie. But the packers still need other TEs. IF Tonyan wants money. He'll price himself out of GB. I'd take the #1 pick. Even the #2. And move on. Rodgers won't retire a packer yet. And every QB has their guys they get attached too.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2021 at 10:57 am

!st round tender is a no-brainer.

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PF4L's picture

March 08, 2021 at 06:58 am

If Gute drafts more bench players in the 1st, 2nd,3rd rounds...what does it matter?

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2021 at 10:59 am

Blue chips or bust should be Packertown's operative mode this year. Move up for a guy if necessary. The Costco buying trip crowd is still stuck in 2010.

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PeteK's picture

March 08, 2021 at 12:43 pm

As long as he drafts starters in the later rounds. You'll think differently when Dillon smashes through defenses and your left drooling with a silly grin on your face.

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NickPerry's picture

March 08, 2021 at 07:14 am

This is tricky. The Packers have invested day 2 draft choices the last 2 years on the position AND I'm assuming want Mercedes Lewis back. MLF LOVES Degura and I may be in the minority but I still believe in Sternberger. But the fact he was behind Dafney and a scratch in the NFCCG IIRC isn't a whooping endorsement for Sternberger.

On one hand neither of those two draft picks has done doo doo on the field. Bog Bobby caught EVERYTHING thrown his way in an offense with limited weapons going into 2021. With the strong possibility of losing Jones and Williams, do the Packers really want to gamble at TE with unproven talent?

My hope is the 2nd round tender. I'm hoping teams shy away from giving up a 2nd round pick for a guy who has just done it one year, and has the benefit of being schemed open in MLF offense more often than just beating his man one on one.

Please understand, I not suggesting Big Bob can't beat his man because I happen to think he's the real deal. I'm just hoping other teams want to see more before giving up a day 2 pick and $4 to $5 million a year.

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Gman1976's picture

March 08, 2021 at 04:21 pm

If all I had to do was give up a 2nd rounder for Tonyan, I’d do it in a heart beat. It’s a no-Branner for an opposing GM. Big Bob has proven all year he is a talent and a scorer. We don’t want to give him nor Jones away for a pick that won’t match the talent and experience. I hope our GM is all in with these 2. We need to tag Jones (another no-brainer) and make sure no one signs Tonyan without giving us their #1.

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CoachDino's picture

March 08, 2021 at 06:40 pm

Ya I would never give up a 2nd rd pick for Bob, I'd question a 3rd rd unless its a good team that needs a start now 2nd TE.

Mercedes is filling a different role as he is an inline specialist. Same for JD as he is a Hback specialist. Tonyan is not a good inline blocker but has steadily improved to be decent. To me It's Jace and Tonyan competing for the Offensive rec weapon. Personally I'd like them to spend a late pick on an inline TE that's very tall and can be a short yardage/goal line/ base 2 TE player that can spend a year under ML. Even if it's on the PSquad.

ML is the best one for that role right now.

So much just depends on Jace.

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Stroh's picture

March 09, 2021 at 08:58 am

Thank you for stating what is so obvious, but no one seems to understand. Deguara and Tonyan, while both are listed as TE, actually play very different positions/roles. Sames goes for Lewis. All 3 are listed as TE, but not one can play either of the others roles. Its short sighted to say they play the same positions and group them all together.

Lewis has his position as strictly inline blocking TE.

Tonyan has his role as the receiving TE and his backup is Sternberger.

Deguara has his position as an Hback and his backup is Dabney.

Each is a very different position.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2021 at 07:53 am

The downside of free agency is that you might not have the money to resign your own good players.

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Guam's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:24 am

I wonder if Rodgers is following all of the Packer cap issues as well as following Brady in TB who is looking to renegotiate his contract to give TB more cap room or Rothlisberger in Pittsburgh who has already done the same? Rodgers is currently being paid significantly more than Brady (and Rothlisberger under his revised contract) and consumes about a sixth of the Packer's total cap space, yet continues to watch GB lose free agents (including perhaps his favorite TE?). Does he really want another SB or does he prefer collecting his mega money? In a zero sum game, star QBs who are willing to relinquish some salary to fellow teammates clearly give their team a leg up

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Since'61's picture

March 08, 2021 at 09:00 am

I don't know if the Packers have made an actual offer to Rodgers about restructuring yet. They may have approached him or his agent about the idea but may not yet have come up with the actual terms. The Packers and Rodgers may be waiting to see where the actual cap numbers end up.

In any case I believe that Rodgers will agree to a restructure as it gives him the opportunity to end his career in Green Bay. On the other hand, Rodgers is healthy and smart. He could decide to retire while he is still in one piece. If he does that all of these other conversations become irrelevant as the Packers return to the pre-Lynn Dickey era in terms of QBs regardless of who they re-sign or draft.

Rodgers will play the long game for as long as he can. He is in a win-win situation. Thanks, Since '61

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Guam's picture

March 08, 2021 at 10:13 am

I agree that Rodgers is holding all of the cards in this situation, so the question remains - is he playing for SB titles or for more financial security? His current contract is going to diminish the Packers ability to compete for Super Bowls unless he is willing to take the same kind of pay cut that Brady and Rothlisberger have already taken.

I will be very surprised if the notoriously competitive Rodgers is ready to retire. I think he wants several more Super Bowl titles and the Packers are close enough to warrant staying.

The Packers and Rodgers are always closed mouthed about financial issues, so you may be right that discussions have already taken place. The next couple of weeks will be interesting.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 08, 2021 at 11:05 am

Generally helps to know the budget parameters and pull the lever when the Ides of March come around. Rodgers wants another Lombardi, get better players around him. Play to Win the Race, not place or show.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 08, 2021 at 03:49 pm

For Gute, times up. Either way we'll know soon if the Packers and Rodgers restructure and extended his contract. Tough call for the GM.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 08, 2021 at 06:41 pm

I think there is a time crunch involved. GB is waiting to find out what the cap number is before generating the cap space they want. The NFL announced the official cap number on March 15 in 2020 (just beating the start of legal tampering!). In 2019, it was announced on March 1, two weeks prior to the start of the new league year. In 2018, it was set 9 days early.

Indeed, GB probably will just do just 2 moves (restructures/extensions) to meet the $12M they are over, and leave the other possible moves in their back pocket until they know what the landscape looks like from legal tampering and then make more moves in the first week or so of the new league year.

I am reading that the NFL might extend the deadline to put in Franchise tags if the cap isn't set by today. Tags are due by tomorrow the 9th but the amounts can't even be set until the cap is announced. Expect it to be pushed back.

I'd guess they are in contact with the top six or so players about various restructures. Remember, the terms have to be agreed to, the contract terms reduced to writing and printed up, it has to be signed by the player, and it has to be faxed into the NFL no later than 4:00 PM EST on March 17 to comply with the cap.

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MTmind's picture

March 09, 2021 at 10:07 am

Yet Rodgers isn’t Rothlisberger or Brady, he is the 2020 NFL MVP. If either of the other two QB’s were to have replaced Rodgers last year, the Packers would have likely been an 8-8 team. Of course they restructured their contracts as neither of them are currently the best at their position, regardless of Brady’s pedigree. Yet fans now expect Rodgers to rework his legally binding contract or take a pay cut like Rothlisberger? After the Packers spent years of his prime not giving him the tools (other than Mike McCarthy who was the biggest tool in the NFL) he needed to succeed? I wonder if there is an active player who continually gets taken for granted by his spoiled fan base as much as Aaron? “Yeah man, if he really cared about winning, he’d just take less money so they could be more competitive”... insert eye roll.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:10 am

2nd round tender will get it done for a TE with one year of good production. Bobby has had a few injury issues but last year did do what Jimmy Graham couldn't...get open and catch pin point passes from #12.

Deguara is going to take some targets from Bobby, and I hope Sternberger finally does too...but he will be back, IMO. If someone wants to give up a second rounder take it.

And if the Packers think Bobby is the real deal, they can always offer the first round tender and virtually guarantee his return.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:54 am

If they think he's the real deal, they can probably retain him at a 2021 cap hit with the tender that's less than what they might end up giving him in 2021 as part of a 3-4 year deal with modest guarantees. It's a weird balance between trying to take advantage of the RFA system that should allow them to keep him at a relatively low number, protecting him from being poached, and keeping him happy long term (if they believe) at a number that makes sense in balance with the rest of the cap. It makes teaching college kids look easy.

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Since'61's picture

March 08, 2021 at 09:02 am

Cookie! Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:22 am

Here is the question, how good was Tonyan and what was his value in our offense?

I think he became a valuable piece who fits well with Rodgers and what LaFleur does. If the team agrees, then the second round tender wisdom is false economy. Tag him as a first rounder. The cost of about 1.5m is justified.

The money is reasonable based on last year and the compensation of a first rounder is more appropriate for his value on the team during the prior season. Then look to negotiate a longer term deal spreading the cap hit.

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Since'61's picture

March 08, 2021 at 09:03 am

Good plan Coldworld. Thanks, Since '61

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CheesyTex's picture

March 08, 2021 at 10:34 am

Sounds like wisdom to me, Coldworld.

As a converted WR, Big Bob is still growing into his role as a TE. Given how hard he works at it in the offseason, his level of "want to", and what improvements he needs to become a "complete" TE, odds are in his favor. And, the $1.5 m seems like peanuts in the big picture.

Why risk a proven valuable piece, at reasonable $, for an unproven second rounder?

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CoachDino's picture

March 10, 2021 at 04:13 pm

That's not how you value a player as much as a position. Evaluating the player has to do with how he performs with the opportunity given. In those terms he was avg.

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wildbill's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:46 am

Let’s see, a TE who did not drop a pass, averaged around 11 yards per catch, and was tied for 5th in the NFL in TD receptions can be had for under 5 mil. He knows our system and is a willing blocker. PAY DA MAN ALREADY!! Nuff said

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canadapacker's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:48 am

As I have said before - we dont have a tightend who breaks tackles like Kittle, Kelce or even Ertz ( when he was healthy). However Sternberger was supposed to provide the speed that people just couldnt cover without opening up other receivers. But he hasnt stayed on the field. Big Bob gets open and catches the ball and gets into the end zone - all are big pluses. He has had a few issues in blocking and holding penalties especially on those receiver screens and end arounds. My hope is the Deguara becomes the beast that Dillon is, in that they can run over people and have the speed to break the big ones. It is too bad that Deguara got injured because we didnt find out if he can pick up the blitzes. His main claim to fame from last year was taking out 2 guys against Minnie. So I favour a 2nd round tender and pay him that because a 2nd rounder will /should become a high end replaceable body. Finally we could use him back but if somebody values him as a 2nd round pick, I am sure that between Deguara and even if we resign the big Dog we will not be losing too much from the Tightend groups. One final note - they are pretty well opening up baseball stadiums, golf course crowds, hockey rinks etc so I think that it would be important to factor in how OTA's and in person training camps would effect our roster. I think that we benefited a lot by AR being such a vet and the rest of the team being mostly used to being in the Packer organization so they could benefit from the virtual types of meetings. Especially Love and the new draft picks and any free agents and the fact that we can be in a relatively safe bubble in GB if we want.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 08, 2021 at 07:02 pm

Deguara is 6'2" and 3/8ths and 242 at the combine. He might not have the frame to be a big-time blocker. He ran a 4.72 forty and a 7.12 3-cone at the combine.

Tonyan isn't huge but he is 6'4" and 5/8ths and is pushing 250 last I heard. Tonyan ran a 4.58 forty and a 7.15 3-cone. He still needs to improve his inline blocking but it isn't bad. We haven't seen as much ability to separate downfield as I expected for a sub 4.6 guy. We have seen Sternberger get open downfield even if he wasn't targeted.

Close call. It would have to be a pick in the first 10 spots of the 2nd round (33 to 42) for me to prefer a 2nd to getting Tonyan back. TEs are just so hard to find.

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canadapacker's picture

March 08, 2021 at 08:23 pm

You are correct about getting a tight end that high in the draft - in listening to the draft gurus not too many are ranked that high in this year's draft class. But 2nd rounders even where we pick for some other guys would not be bad - ie Oline man or Dback linebackers. That is what I was thinking . At least some good value as opposed to killing our cap. I had high hopes for Sternberger but not so sure now - and as I have said before - he didnt look to me like he was bulked up / strong / whatever you call it when you expect a tightend to be in the blocking game - more of a receiver body type and those concussions.
I would like to see Tonyon back because he seems to have AR's eye and he seems to get lost and is wide open and that means a lot as he proved last year with all the TD passes

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March 08, 2021 at 09:00 am

I don't want to restructure any contract to save what is already not good enough to win the SB. Release the dead weight, and let those go who believe themselves worthy of extravagant money. Accept that the FO cannot put an SB team together with this salary cap, and decide now whether you're keeping Rodgers until he's 44 or going with Love or another in 2023. Concentrate on the draft and start adjusting and coaching up players better and faster.

A seemingly likely trade of Russell Wilson to Chicago changes the easy division path for the Packers. It erases it, and GB will actually have to play better more consistently than many believe they have to date, regardless of having a 13-3 record that supports the false belief of their SB readiness. Winners are ready to win, the Packers were ready to lose and then lost, again.

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Johnblood27's picture

March 08, 2021 at 09:51 am

unrealistic.

see Bakhtiari, David.

The Packers are not going to blow it up.

The FO clearly believes they have the nucleus for championship caliber performance.

The problem is that we have been spending all of our cap for a lot of years, giving contracts that players perhaps did not deserve, coupled with some failed drafts that left roster talent holes that were later filled by FA and large $$$ instead of signing our own (they didnt perform well enough to justify). The GBP never had a bad enough team with players that could be outright cut to actually lower the cap enough to create maneuverability.

Now we have some roster holes along with some upcoming justifiable high dollar players (Alexander, Jenkins, Savage, Gary) which must be cap-planned for and oh by the way, we gave above average-worth and mega deals to Bakh, Clark, Rodgers, Zadarius, Preston, Turner, Adams, Lowry, Amos... without whom the GBP would not be in contention now.

Complain all you like, I NEVER see any viable solutions from you Taryn. It is easy to criticize, do you actually have a better way to resolve the issues of team building in the salary cap era when you have top of the league talent at multiple positions already on your roster? I thought so...

BTW, NEVER take the Bares as an example. Until their ownership and management are flushed they will always be the bares... and they still suck!

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March 08, 2021 at 10:55 am

"we gave above average-worth and mega deals to Bakh, Clark, Rodgers, Zadarius, Preston, Turner, Adams, Lowry, Amos... without whom the GBP would not be in contention now."

The Packers have been contending every year, less the Rodgers injured seasons.

Where is the player that gets the Packers past contention?

The Packers have been the favorites in the NFCN because of Rodgers, and also because of the by default mechanism that is the other three teams failure to achieve true lasting viability.

Why are the Packers equally likely to be eliminated in the playoffs, at any point, as they are to win the Division? They're built to only get so far with the players that are willing to play in GB.

What's the point in naming players that would get the Packers over the hump when we know they aren't coming. As like with the recent hope for Watt, who IMO, had no intention of coming to GB. Maybe after his two-year deal in Arizona, he'll come to GB, still over-paid by GB, but still unable to get over the hump of mere contention.

GB needs to draft exceptionally to achieve the beating of the crux of the hump, like with Shields (UD), Starks, and the previous draftees of Matthews and Raji, because FA is not a friend to the Packers.

Again, why look and hope for FAs of team changer status when they aren't signing in GB, at least not before they can offer the least of their prior abilities. Jersey sales are great, but the field play not so much.

Sisyphus always comes to mind with GB and many of their self-aggrandizing blind optimism placing the average and less into a false elite level. Wear the Green and Gold, and you're an instant HOF, or worthy of the Packer Ring of Honor. The rock seems destined to roll over the Packers attempts to reach the top, and the Packers seem destined to allow it.

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MTmind's picture

March 09, 2021 at 10:24 am

Taryns, Sisyphus? The Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010 and have been ridiculously competitive (ask any Viking, Bears, or Lions fan if they’d like to switch places) since. The Packers should have beat TB and gone to the last Super Bowl last season, but it is what it is... a game. Your analogy between Packers and Sisyphus is based on unrealistic expectations. Apparently, only winning the Super Bowl every single year, year after year, is an acceptable outcome. Good luck with all that.

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March 08, 2021 at 10:24 am

Sorry Taryn, your characterization of this as a team that is "not good enough" or "cannot put a SB team together" doesn't hold up to sound critical evaluation.

This is a team that has arguably the best CB, WR, and the best LT in football. The league MVP at QB. Clark is top five at his position and the safety tandem was rated the best in football by the end of last year. Jenkins is All-Pro and as valuable an offensive lineman as there is in football for his ability to play anywhere on the line. Throw in Z. Smith and Tonyon and obvious emerging talent in Gary. Rookies who showed well in Dillon, Barnes, Martin, and Deguare. The best offense in football last year and at least the middle of the pack on defense.

That's at the very least the core of a team that CAN win it all.

Two players had awful games when it counted; King gave up 14 points and held onto his opponent's jersey like a four-year-old holding onto a kite trying to get away. And Jones gave up 7 points with the early 2nd half fumble. 21 easy gift points! There were a dozen ways the Packers could have and should have won the game, against a team that crushed KC in the SB.

There's a difference between a team that can win or one that will win. No one knows who will, but I think any reasonable person will say the Packers can.

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March 08, 2021 at 11:51 am

To toss out the same rhetoric about the core strength and the names of players that CAN make an SB team doesn't make it so, as proven by the two recent losses to achieve that goal with the players clamored about in each instance of losing.

You or everyone can continue to say, if this or that happened or didn't happen, it doesn't change the fact that they continue to fail for the same reasons. They're missing the player that changes the dynamic from contender to actual winner.

"There's a difference between a team that can win or one that will win."

The Packers have proven to be a team that can win, to a point. They have more often shown to be a team that WILL NOT win past that certain point. There is no evidence to believe they WILL WIN, but certainly enough evidence that they WILL NOT, at least for what matters, the SB.

I'll believe otherwise when they get the rock of Sisyphus into the SB, and not before. Win or lose at the moment, but you can't do either unless you're in it.

Third or fourth runner-up isn't enough, less the reason for excuse in having low draft pick positions to blame for the teams bane.

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March 08, 2021 at 02:47 pm

I'd say the one tossing out the same rhetoric might be you. You say, based on past performance, there is no evidence to believe the Packers WILL WIN. So who will?

Well, maybe it's too early in FA and we haven't had the draft yet so you don't know yet which team has made the right moves. Did you know last March that Tampa Bay was going to win?

What you're doing isn't particularly courageous or prophetic. You're taking the field vs the Packers, thus giving yourself huge odds to be right.

But you're a Packer fan, so let's limit the discussion to what Gute and the FO should do to make you a believer. Should we keep Jones or Linsley? Neither or both? Trade Rodgers or restructure? Sign... who? Send Bahk to a better specialist to insure he heals faster and never gets hurt again?... Was Barry the right move?... Is Barnes good enough or should we draft ILB in the 1st round?... So many questions.

What moves would make you happy, give you "evidence" that the Packers WILL win?

Wait, I confused myself as I often do. it's not the moves that you're critiquing, it's that they haven't won a SB in ten years. That's your evidence. A team that has made it to two Division Championships in two years?... only circumstantial evidence. Case closed.

There isn't a single team in football that has shown evidence it WILL win. That's an impossibility. The fact that the Packers have screwed up in championship games is bad, frustrating, pisses us all off... but the Packers still have more credibility than most other teams. Those other teams haven't screwed up in championship games, because they haven't even made it that far.

Even your scary prediction that the Bears with Russell Wilson will pose a major threat to the Packers isn't really that scary. Because, by your own standard, there's no evidence they WILL win either.

We don't know which team WILL win. Ever. All you can hope for is a team that can. And this team certainly can.

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Packers0808's picture

March 08, 2021 at 04:12 pm

Love all the speculation this time of the year by ALL the Packers GMs here! Fun to read what others think will happen!

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 08, 2021 at 12:13 pm

You do realize that nobody here can actually make a deal for GB, right?

This is all anyone here can do. Offer opinions brimming with speculation.

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dobber's picture

March 08, 2021 at 12:42 pm

10 thumbs...up!

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Packers0808's picture

March 08, 2021 at 01:38 pm

Duh are you really that bad at comprehension? Why you think I said it was fun to read all this stuff! Wasn't meant as a wise crack as to what you said in your wise crack answer!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 08, 2021 at 07:05 pm

I'm relieved at the clarification, though I got your point the first time! Glad I am not out of a hobby.

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Packers0808's picture

March 08, 2021 at 07:39 pm

Seems as though you are!

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barutanseijin's picture

March 08, 2021 at 03:46 pm

You don’t approve of fans talking football?

Why are you here?

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PatrickGB's picture

March 08, 2021 at 11:04 am

A year or two from now the cap will be higher. My hope is that Ball and the team can backload contracts to reflect that. Tonyan could be offered a contract that is backloaded before he reaches unrestricted FA.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 08, 2021 at 04:00 pm

And my fear is the Cap will be lower. (or about the same) Still waiting for the TV deals to be done. That will tell the tale.

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Lphill's picture

March 08, 2021 at 01:26 pm

Another day and the Packers are crying about the cap , other teams are in worse shape and don’t cry about it constantly. I’m sure if the Packers lose Jones, Williams and Tonyan it won’t sit well with Rodgers . This teams management is not all in.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 08, 2021 at 01:59 pm

The Packers and the fans cry more because they don't have the money to over pay for low-impact one year wonder FAs.

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Gman1976's picture

March 08, 2021 at 04:30 pm

Losing all 3 won’t sit well with any fan that I know. That’s just too much talent to let go in a year.

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March 08, 2021 at 07:07 pm

They probably are and you're just not on their websites. Some might not be simply because their teams stink and they look at this free agency period as an opportunity.

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Wilment's picture

March 08, 2021 at 05:38 pm

I got to think the Packers spend a bit of cash and place a 2nd round tender on this guy. When was the last time a packer tight end scored eleven touchdowns in a season? Not since 84 and Paul Coffman. Rodgers came to depend on the guy, and quite frankly teams have to account for him. Rather than blowing coin on Mercedes Lewis, who isn't the future, keep Tonyan in the fold for the future.

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March 08, 2021 at 06:02 pm

Couple Things.
1) Going all in when you have all sorts of Cap money is a oxymoron. Each team MUST spend a very high % of the cap. ALL in is defined as eliminating any chance of future success by pushing guaranteed money to the future. The term is so over used incorrectly now days. I would argue the Packers went all in with signing Arod then following that up with the Turner, Z,Amos and Preston signings

So to say the ARZ C went all in on JJ Watt and are Still way under the cap makes little sense unless they have a long list of others they forgone to do that. Which they don't have a LONG list.

2)Tonyan may have been a highly rated TE in Catch % (same as drop %) & Scoring. Thing is he didn't rank high in rec yards and was very low in yard after catch and after contact.

There is a great deal that can be taken away from that, #1 he is a product of the #1 offense, very high scoring and beneficiary of ARod and Devante. That's not a bad thing.

Don't get me wrong, I like the player and appreciate the no drops. I also hope he becomes a star be it with the Packers or not.

He is NOT have the ceiling Jace has, so the question is can Jace stay healthy or is it just better to keep avg than risk going for above avg and failing?

Personally, I'm not paying Big Bob unless I know that Jace is not what they hoped for. In that case I would cut Jace, over pay Bob and draft a developmental replacement.

Question that no one in the media can answer, and the team wouldn't, is where is Jace?

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March 08, 2021 at 07:10 pm

Yep. Thumbs up.

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March 08, 2021 at 08:37 pm

I think that Sternberger might be cut with a bad training camp. I dont think that a second round tender is out of place for Tonyon. I also am hoping that Deguara is becomes our Kittle-Kelce because I agree that neither Sternberger or Tonyon get much YAC and that needs to be part of being a great tight end. So I see a need this year to keep the guy you know will produce (Tonyon) and hope that it is only for this year if Sternberger becomes what we expected when drafted. And it might be nice to have Sternberger and Deguara on the field at the same time if his concussion and other injury issues are over. Finally - I think that after what Prescott signed for ( which was ridiculous - but that is Jerry Jones) it is going to be fun to watch what and how they treat AR in his contract salary rejigging.

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