Three WR Prospects Who Are Built To Be Packers Players

The Green Bay Packers need pass catchers, and they usually have a specific physical profile.

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The Green Bay Packers need pass catchers, and they usually have a specific physical profile. Since Brian Gutekunst became the general manager, he has drafted four wide receivers, and three of them are tall, thin and athletic players — Amari Rodgers is the only exception.

J'Mon Moore, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and Equanimeous St-Brown were all selected in the 2018 draft. They are both over 6-2, 200lbs and 8.4 RAS. We don’t know exactly if Gutekunst uses the Relative Athletic Score metric to scout players, but he certainly adopts some kind of athleticism metric and we can correlate the results.

J'Mon Moore
Height: 6-2
Weight: 207
RAS: 8.44

Marquez Valdes-Scantling
Height: 6-4
Weight: 206
RAS: 9.31

Equanimeous St-Brown
Height: 6-4
Weight: 214
RAS: 9.85

Amari Rodgers
Height: 5-9
Weight: 212
RAS: 5.42

Considering Amari Rodgers is a slot receiver and not the exact prototype the Packers are looking for in the next draft, it’s fair to assume Gutekunst will go back to his usual preferred physical profile. Therefore, using some thresholds it’s possible to filter three wide receivers the Packers might draft in April.

In this piece, the defined thresholds are at least 6-2, 190lbs and 9.0 RAS. Among the top prospects in the position, only three reach all metrics.

George Pickens
Pickens is a physical receiver with good ball skills. His numbers in 2021 aren't impressive because he lost a significant part of the season coming back from an ACL injury.
Height: 6-3
Weight: 195
RAS: 9.33
College: Georgia
Age: 21
Stats last season: 4 games, 5 receptions, 107 yards, 0 TDs
NFL.com prospect grade: 6.23

Christian Watson
He has a great combination of size and speed, plus production as a receiver and runner. His doubters point out that he played against lesser competition in the FCS and will have a hard time replicating his production in the NFL.
Height: 6-4
Weight: 208
RAS: 9.96
College: North Dakota State
Age: 22
Stats last season: 12 games, 43 receptions, 800 yards, 7 touchdowns
NFL.com prospect grade: 6.27

Alec Pierce
Pierce was used as a special teamer and deep target in Cincinnati. He's a strong and physical player who might translate well as a possession receiver in the NFL.
Height: 6-3
Weight: 211
RAS: 9.8
College: Cincinnati
Age: 21
Stats last season: 14 games, 52 receptions, 884 yards, 8 touchdowns
NFL.com prospect grade: 6.16

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Wendell Ferreira covers the Green Bay Packers for Zone Coverage and Cheesehead TV. He is a Brazilian journalist with over a decade of experience covering the NFL, soccer, NBA, and MMA. Follow him on twitter at @wendellfp  

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Leatherhead's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:46 pm

Yeah, those three caught my eye a long time ago and I get at least one of them in every mock draft.

I like all these guys. I've taken Pickens at #53 in several simulations. He's had injury issues, but the way he came back and played in the National Championship game......that's a playmaker in a big game, right there.

I've also taken Watson at #53 on quite a few simulations. But London is a guy I take at #22 most often, along with Burks. These guys like Dotson aren't big enough for what I want them for.

If I could get London at #22, and come back and get another good WR at #53, I'd be smiling like the butcher's dog. Thanks, Raiduhs.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 05:23 pm

Charles Davis did his 1st mock draft. Has us taking Jahan Dotson at #22. Drake London went to the Cards at #23.

Then he has us taking Kenyon Green at #28, with Boye Mafe going #29, and Christian Watson going #30 to the Chiefs respectively.

TBH, I'd rather have Boye Mafe at #22 than Jahan Dotson and Christian Watson at #28 than Kenyon Green... SMH

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PhantomII's picture

April 05, 2022 at 08:49 pm

London is a jump ball specialist...no speed. Not what we need and not worth getting only for the red zone. Watson could go any time after pick #20 round 1 and both by early round 2. Gute will have to move up in RD 2. for better WR's or take in RD 1.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 06, 2022 at 08:44 am

Not a good read on London. He's good at jump balls, no doubt, but he's not a jump ball specialist. He can run routes. He can catch. He can run with the ball after he's caught it.

You need a receiver who can keep you on the field. London can do that. He's a big guy who can use his body , he's a guy who will go over the middle. He'd be a solid starter and he's ready to play now, not a year from now.

I rate him as the #2 or #3 receiver in this class. I'd put him and Burks in the same boat, and I'd take whoever was there at #22.

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PhantomII's picture

April 06, 2022 at 08:38 pm

Draft ratings by X-Y don't move me. 80% of the highlights are run a route...stop....QB heaves up a jump ball..... You just don't see that in the NFL...at least not consistently unless in the end zone. I'm thinking an NFL Safety is gonna clean his clock with one of those. USC never plays higher ranked schools and THE GUY IS STILL HURT. He's suppose to run at his pro day. The guy has good hands he got all those yards because unless I'm wrong he's the only decent WR they had or else we'd be talking about him also. I think he'll be okay but I don't think he's a top 10 guy . We will see. I am never always right. Jefferson at #20 was the pick. I called that one. I will be happy with 2 WR that are able to contribute THIS YEAR and are 4.4-40 or below even this one at 4.5 or so. I want a Championship STAT.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 05, 2022 at 09:01 pm

Seriously? London?

Wow!

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PhantomII's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:13 pm

Broke his ankle...No 40 time I've seen. He's a scrapper though. Now pulled a hammie still no 40. USC does not play top ranked teams. He looks legit but would feel better w/ 4.5-40 and played better teams defenses. He may be more. Seems to want it. We have been so long without more than one WR w/ Speed. I want all to be faster. I like Lazard...I want a faster one though.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 06, 2022 at 11:18 am

Many analysts have London rated #1 or #2 in this class. His 1,050 yards in just 8 games last year prior to fracturing his ankle had him dominating. He did not get all those yards on a pogo stick.

4.55 is decent speed. Adams was 4.56 and Lazard 4.55. And for the size of both London and Lazard, 4.55 is great speed. Track speed is fine...but football play speed is more valuable. London just catches the ball. Last year he generated a 115 QB rating when targeted!

I do not like Pickens coming off an ACL...but more so due to his know it all attitude. His head coach even complained he was "uncoachable" at times.

Thumbs up for Watson and Pierce as X Wrs who would also be the likely starters in the ST return game.

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HarryHodag's picture

April 05, 2022 at 02:09 pm

I love all the metrics.(heavy sigh).

The old football coach looked at the young player across from him. "Do you love football?" coach said. "Yes, coach, I do" said the pup. "Well you aren't as gifted as some of these clowns here, but you have heart. Prove me right" said the old ball coach.

So how do you measure heart? There really is only one way: the player goes out and does his job with maximum effort and intelligence.

Please measure that with metrics.

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MooPack's picture

April 05, 2022 at 02:59 pm

Supposedly Watson meets that metric as well according to this podcast.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/pack-a-day-podcast-episode-1349-packers-dr...

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:05 pm

Gutey does like high RAS guys, but as much he looks for on field producers, steady improvement, and leaders.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 05, 2022 at 06:54 pm

Let Johnny Randall vet your candidates.

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NitschkeFan's picture

April 05, 2022 at 02:10 pm

Wow, lots of similarities. But geez, those previous 3 were taken in rounds 4, 5 and 6. So with two busts and one WR3 out of those picks it wasn’t too bad or too unexpected a result.

This years guys are all supposed to go in the first 2 rounds. They better be a lot better than J’Mon, MVS and ESB.

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PhantomII's picture

April 05, 2022 at 08:46 pm

They all are.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 05, 2022 at 02:29 pm

How are Drake London and Treylon Burks not in this list?

Alec Pierce as a POSSESSION receiver?! Did you even watch any of his games?! He's a straight-line deep receiver and good blocker/gunner; he's Jeff Janis.

I won't be surprised if BG drafts Christian Watson with #22, unless Jameson Williams is there, and BG thinks he'll recover fast enough.

George Pickens PHYSICALLY is a perfect Packer receiver, but there are reports that he is hard to work with, so his meeting with the coaches will have been very important.

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MainePackFan's picture

April 05, 2022 at 02:56 pm

Jeff Janis played for Saginaw Valley State. Alec Pierce played for Cincinnati. Big difference, though I get the gist of your comment. I hope they end up with him and/or Watson.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:27 pm

Because "In this piece, the defined thresholds are at least 6-2, 190lbs and 9.0 RAS."

I would love Burks in GB, but he doesn't fit the above in RAS. He just catches the ball and creates tremendous YAC from all over the field. Same for London, but more of a possession, get open WR. And Like Burks, a 4.55 guy that pulled his RAS below 9...but he would also be a tremendous addition to the Packer WR room.

4.55 is still good speed...but it is how you use it in combination with other skills. Both Burks and London have a full toolbox.

So many good WRs in this draft!

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:49 pm

Yeah, I get the thresholds. I think those are the wrong thresholds for a "Packer WR" though. MLF likes guys who YAC and block, and London and Burks are the two best in the draft maybe for that pair of qualities.

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murf7777's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:30 pm

I like Burks, he reminds me of Debo Samuel. He can line up anywhere and make plays. YAC is impressive as he has great size at 6’2, 225lbs and longer arms with decent size hands just under 10”. I don’t care what his RAS is, he plays with athleticism and I’m hoping the Packers take him or Jahan Dotson. He also plays faster than 4.5. Watching his film he doesn’t get caught from behind. He would work perfectly in MLF’s Offense. Football Outsiders have him rated as the highest of all WR’s in this class. Quite frankly, I don’t think any of the WR’s in this class is head and shoulders above the others.

It’s nice to get some speedy receiver with Burks to push the outside limits, but that can be had with another pick.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 05, 2022 at 06:57 pm

Burks is a step slower than Deebo and definitely does not have his burst or cutting ability.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 08:58 am

As I recall MVS hands were the biggest in his draft class at 10.5" and we saw how that turned out didn't we?

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:57 pm

Can we dispense with the Pickens stuff? He's had 41 receptions on 62 targets for 620 yds and 6 TDs total... COMBINED, IN HIS LAST TWO SEASONS...!!!

No.

Treylon Burks?
Skyy Moore?
Jahan Doston?
Jalen Tolbert?

I don't know if people realize this, but Jalen Tolbert's 2021 stats are the closest we'll see to Jordy's 2007 stats at Kansas State, making him the #3 overall WR taken in the 2008 draft, at pick #36.

Those are our best bets R1-R2. Far and away.

Calvin Austin III and Romeo Doubs are better bets than Pickens...

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:37 pm

You mean Jordy's 2007 season at K State.

I am a hard pass with Pickens. So many good receivers in this class not coming off a devastating ACL injury and off field issues including alienating his coaches.

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:58 pm

Thank you, LP!!! Yeah, my brain is mush...

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MainePackFan's picture

April 05, 2022 at 07:19 pm

I agree with you LB. That's why I don't think it's a given that Packers take a receiver in the 1st round. If they see a OT, Edge, Corner, DT or Safety they love fall to 22 , I would be shocked if they took any of these WR's based on the Packers past modus operandi.

There are good quality receivers to be had on day 2. I don't think any of these players being mentioned in round one are sure fire #1 receivers. They could be, but listening to the scouts talk, I don't get that vibe.

I would be willing to bet that none of the top 10 players on the Packers "realistic" board are WR. I just have a feeling they are trading down in this draft if they don't get one ( or two) of their top 10. Just a feeling mind you :)

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:52 pm

Pickens was one of my early crushes, before I learned about his problems with the coaches. He is a terrific blocker and has amazing hands.

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murf7777's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:32 pm

GG….comparing college stats with Jordy isn’t very relevant. Different offenses, different competition, catch radius, playing style etc…

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 08:11 pm

Those were ALL college stats I was referring to, each in their draft year coming into draft day. Did a breakdown earlier somewhere in this thread. I think… Jordy & Jennings included. Just making a point if you care to look them up. Fair game.

Forgive me my mind wandering a bit through this. Been crunching a bunch of stuff.

We really want those traditional X, Y and Z additions, all of them, and some sub specialists for Jet concepts, etc. Flanker. Slot. Split.

Most of those WR1 players are high volume receivers, like Davante was, and Jordy and Jennings before that. Massive workloads every game, massive target #s throughout a season. Having TWO of them was special 2010, 2011…

There aren’t a lot of high volume WRs in this draft. ADD, we need a starter there! Best we can land, if there’s any chance of garnering AR’s trust. It most definitely is relevant. Pickens -should be- a high volume WR. 100+ receptions on a year is more the norm… at least 70 or more.

Olave, London, Williams, Wilson… Dotson, Burks, Moore, Tolbert… there are others. Heavily featured players.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 05, 2022 at 07:54 pm

GG, please spare me the Skyy Moore hype. MIdgets are looooong shots, just not needed in gb.

Hard NO on Pickens too, obvious reasons.

I am not on the Dotson bandwagon either, just doesn't move the needle for me.

I am a big Burks guy, he reminds me a great deal of Sterling Sharpe. YAC monster with very sure hands.

I like Tolbert a lot, better than Pierce or Watson although if Burks is a round 1 GB selection I would take Puierce or Watson in round 2 if tolbert is gone.

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greengold's picture

April 06, 2022 at 06:06 am

5-10 195 and tough AF. (Smashes guitar against banister & wall)… “Sorry.”

Tell that to Desmond Howard & Don Beebe… Wes Welker FFS. Welker’s an inch shorter than Skyy. Look at his insane stats, AND his 75% Catch% which is probably the best in the entire draft. Those numbers are proof, not “ hype. “

Are you Randy Newman??? And, what did you do with Johnblood27? LOL

Randall Cobb came into this league and put up an 80% Catch%. Unheard of. His Year 2 was nearly a 1000 yd. season (954) with a 77c% on 104 Targets. Those are ridiculous numbers for reliability in a young WR. Skyy has a 76c%. Randall Cobb & Skyy Moore are both 5-10 195.

The Packers are in need of a bunch of different kinds of WRs. Multi dimensional offerings help that illusion of complexity thing we’re supposed to have… right? We’ve literally had ZERO personnel for it, JB.

That’s what I love about Burks, Watson, Pierce and yes, Skyy Moore and others, shorter… doesn’t matter, they all can AND DO run those concepts successfully. The tape doesn’t lie either, and it ain’t no hype.

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crayzpackfan's picture

April 06, 2022 at 10:00 am

Very well stated GG. Variety of sizes, speed, and talent at the WR position IMO is the way to go. I’m exhausted with this perception that GB WR’s have to ALL be built like small TE’s in order to succeed. This isn’t the norm around the NFL. Not sure why it has to be here. Not many big and tall WR are freaks like a Megatron was. Fishing for only those measurable’s and filling the room with them is futile IMO.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 06, 2022 at 11:10 am

Did we quit after the germans bombed pearl harbor?...

Don't stop him... He's on a roll...

OK, OK, just draft him already!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 09:01 am

Get me Austin in round 3 and I would be doing handstands thinking about how MLF would use him in the offense. Oh my would that be fun! Wish he was a returner but Results in few chances didn't seem to work well.

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greengold's picture

April 06, 2022 at 10:22 am

74 rec 1148 yds 15.9 YPR 8 TDs - those are the top quality numbers of a high volume WR. The only ding is a 58c% on 128 Targets. Granted, it’s a better % than anything MVS ever posted here (2021 48%).

Calvin Austin III would be a great addition to the Packers WR room. Totally agree, KNOCK!

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MooPack's picture

April 05, 2022 at 02:49 pm

Posted this in another post today:
I like Watson over Pickens or London. I really wanted DK Metcalf in 2019 instead of Savage. It would have been one of the greatest Packer drafts ever. Gary, Metcalf, and Jenkins. I realize why they didn't. They just drafted 3 WRs the year before in Moore, MVS, and EQ. Where are they now. Would I trade for Metcalf now? No. I believe the cost is too much in draft capitol and dollars. Instead the Packers have a chance to right that wrong in a receiver that is very similar athletically and skill. Drops aren't any worse than what was perceived as Metcalf's weakness either. Actually, I believe he is rated better than Metcalf at the time.

Christian Watson RAS = 9.96
Hand: 10.125
Arm: 32.5
Height: 6041
Weight: 208
Bench: 18
40: 4.36
20 split: 2.45
10 split: 1.45
Vertical: 38.5
Broad: 1104
Shuttle: 4.19
3-cone: 6.96

DK Metcalf RAS = 9.66
Hand: 9.875
Arm: 34.875
Height: 6033
Weight: 228
Bench: 27
40: 4.33
20 split: 2.53
10 split: 1.48
Vertical: 40.5
Broad: 1102
Shuttle: 4.45
3-cone: 7.38

So Watson is an inch taller with bigger hands, but Metcalf makes up for it with longer arms, a bigger body and much stronger. Watson is quicker off the line with better splits and more quickness with a much better shuttle and 3-cone. Watson was voted the best WR at the Senior bowl by his peers. Metcalf was taken in the 2nd round at 64. Teams aren't going to make that mistake again. I think Watson is going to go much higher. Packers want him? They better take him at #22 or #28 or he is gone.

Adding to this - I like Alec Pierce. Close to same athleticism as Watson. I think he goes a round or two later. As for Pickens, I've read he has some diva attitude, came off ACL, hands might be smaller than Packers like. London - I think he'll test too slow.

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murf7777's picture

April 05, 2022 at 05:16 pm

Watson has some very good measurables, but to say he is going before the late second round is hard to tell. He could go anywhere from late 1st to early 3rd. Part of my thoughts is that he didn’t play against elite defenses. I’d say it depends on how the draft falls. There are so many other positions teams want to address and WR is just one of them. Also, a team might like Pierce better. That’s what makes the draft so interesting, you just never know. I personally would consider what other players are available in the EDGE, OL and DB. There will be some very good talent, better than Watson late in the first round IMO.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 05:28 pm

Charles Davis has him going to the Chiefs at #30...

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stockholder's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:46 pm

Sports illustrated has him going to the packers at #28. If the packers don't take him at 22. They won't get him. He's got the best Measurements of anybody in the top 10.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:36 pm

Anyone wanting London need to go watch him in YouTube vs the other WR's.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 11:12 pm

I think I would rather have Jelani Woods than London... Lol Especially when you consider where each will likely be drafted. ; )

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 08:10 am

Agreed Bird!

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:19 pm

Packers are going to get 2, probably 3 excellent WR prospects in this WR rich draft...very deep.

First 5 picks: Olave and Watson. Burks and Watson. Burks and Dotson. Olave and Dotson. Watson and Dotson. Burks and Skyy. Throw in Tolbert and Pierce into any of the permutations. This is the year to harvest top talented prospects on rookie deals and develop them.

Then late day two or day 3, pull the trigger on another WR prospect high on Gutey's board with ST value too. Although Watson would be a ST demon as a returner and gunner.

I expect the shiny penny high price vet WR fever will break after the draft.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 05, 2022 at 06:14 pm

I think the Packers will select an outstanding DL in the first or second round. Then they will let Lowry go after June 1 and use that CAP savings to get a veteran WR to help ease the development of the 2-3 rookie WR's they select in this year's draft!

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PhantomII's picture

April 05, 2022 at 09:05 pm

I like all those players. This is the year to burn a 2023 #1 and or #2. We could get some old wood moved out and fill the shed back up. Some nice DL,ILB, OL ,S and OLB types as well. 2023 College QB crop is suppose to be better so some needy teams will want to squirrel away ammo for moving up next draft.

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splitpea1's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:22 pm

Watson could also be useful as a KR/gunner--we need all the help we can get on special teams.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 05:30 pm

He had a few TDs on KO returns. I hope Gutey takes him at #28, but that's just me.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:37 pm

Jameson did all that in college and could do it in pros.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:57 pm

If Jameson Williams is still on the board at 22, I think Gutey ought to take him. I know he's still going to be rehabbing, but to me, he's the only guy besides Wilson who is actually a 1st Round WR. Olave may be, but I just don't see Gutey drafting him.

22 is a free pick from the Davante trade, so use it on Jameson Williams and then come back at 28 and draft Watson. I agree with Charles Davis, if Watson is still on the board at #30, the Chiefs will definitely take him.

Hell with 11 picks, we can come back and draft another guy in the 2nd and 4th rounds for 4 WRs, all with more speed than anyone we have now.

By all accounts, Williams is ahead of schedule, but I wouldn't rush him back. In fact, as long as he's ready by the last couple games and the playoffs, that is when we'll really need him. Once rehabbing is done, it will take him a while to get into football shape and gain confidence, but unleashing him late in the season and playoffs is when he could put us over the top.

My hope is we end up with Williams, Watson, Pierce and Gray... (Sounds like a hell-of-a-Law Firm.) ; )

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 10:35 am

Bird,
I love this post and the WR's! Should it happen holy mother of God!

Though no way they draft four WR's. I do like all of them and I agree Gray he is a pretty damn good WR! Love the way he runs! I am going to watch with interest to see how high he goes in the draft as the so called draft experts out there seem to not rate him nearly as high as I believe he deserves.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:58 pm

If Gutey were to draft two WRs in the 1st Round, AR will have zero excuses.

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stockholder's picture

April 05, 2022 at 11:17 pm

Gutey should take 3. @ 22 Watson. @25 Trade up for Burks. @45 Trade up for McBride. And then grab Pierce. Will he. No - He'll grab a bust defensively. Get Rodgers to Retire. And spend money on defense again.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 10:36 am

You couldn't be more wrong Bird.....Rodgers always has excuses and reasons! He would find something!

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Turophile's picture

April 05, 2022 at 03:30 pm

They (Watson and Pierce) do fit better than Wilson (183 lb), Williams (179 lb), Dotson (178 lb), who are all skinny guys. They should also be faster on the field than big guys London and Burks, as well.

Watson is listed as 6'4" 208. 4.36 40 time.
Pierce is listed as 6'3", 211, 4.41 40 (reduced from 4.33)

These are the MVS type, tall, very fast guys. They are not too skinny for the rigours of NFLplay. I'd imagine they are all front and center in the Packers wheelhouse. Both should be mid round 2 picks.

So, do you get a WR who doesn't fit the Packers profile well, or wait for two that do ?

There is the tweener Olave. Fair (but not great) height weight (6'0", 187) with a 4,39 40. It's hard to say how comfortable the Packers would be with those physical stats - but he is a WR that would demand a first round pick.

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:32 pm

Turophile, I find what you're saying here to be really interesting. Been studying the S outta all the position groups.

You're right, there's definitely different body types in this WR group:

long/lanky - Watson, Pierce
short/compact - Moore, Austin III
medium/solid/thin - Olave, Dotson
huge/dominator - Burks, London

Which does Gutekunst choose?

Personally, I think he could easily tap one of each of those 4 groups. Why not? Man, I'm amazed at the talent in this WR group. SUPER deep. Should be fun to see what he does.

I don't think they care too much about how big or small they are. MVS/ESB, and before that, Walker/Schroeder, gave us a crash course on the importance of drafting RELIABLE pass catcher & route runners - with all the goods, none of the bads...

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 05, 2022 at 07:10 pm

None of the tall timber can get close to the short-area movement skills of the top three: Wilson, Olave and Williams. Wilson can snap ankles just like T Hill. Olave is smooth. I would grab one of these guys and grab the post-up guy with the #28, unless they trade into the upper 30s. They will all be gone by #53.

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 08:53 pm

Exactly… It’s as if the MVS love has robbed many of their senses.

Jerry Rice was one skinny MF when he tried on his first Super Bowl ring… Marvin Harrison. Robert Brooks. Drew Pearson. Lynn Swann… whoosh.

They all don’t have to be 6-5. Nice to have a mix of different targets with different strengths. I don’t think they’ll all be gone, but, most of the best? Possibly.

AND WE NEED A COUPLE of starters. Not hype, just the truth.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 10:40 am

Jennings and Driver were not big strong WR's either and they did damn good!

The do it all WR is almost extinct (very rare) and you need several good WR's with different strengths to compliment the other.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 09:05 am

Velus Jones is the ST returner you want! Probably best in draft while a good slot type of WR. I'd venture available by #59, or possibly a trade up in round #3.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:05 pm

There are SO many excellent receiver prospects in this draft.
I think BG probably rates them something like this, but who knows:
1. Jameson Williams
2. Garret Wilson
3. Drake London
4. Treylon Burks
5. Chris Olave
6. Jahan Dotson
7. Christian Watson
8. George Pickens
9. John Metchie
10. Khalil Shakir
11. Sky Moore
12. Kevin Austin
13. Alec Pierce
14. Jalen Tolbert
15. Bo Melton
16. Danny Gray
17. David Bell
18. Romeo Doubs

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MainePackFan's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:53 pm

People are sleeping on David Bell because of his 40 time etc. Watch the tape. The guy is good.

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HawkPacker's picture

April 05, 2022 at 06:17 pm

he catches everything.

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:38 pm

I brought up Erik Ezukanma yesterday on TGR's Mock Draft article. Watched some on him last night and was impressed. Very natural hands, good adjustments on over the shoulder catches. Had a great contested catch TD against Oklahoma in double coverage. The ball is his friend and he doesn't fight with it. Also had 10 rushes on jet sweeps for 138 yards and 2 TDs including a nice 45 yarder.

Didn't have the best of luck in 2021, broke his arm during a Spring practice and then Texas Tech's starting QB went down in the 2nd game and they bounced between QBs for awhile before settling on a Freshman. Bigger guy at 6'-2" and 209 lbs. Not a speedster but looks athletic on the field and caught quite a few deep balls.

I think he'd be a good 4th round gamble if they miss out on some of the bigger WRs early. Upper level WR2 potential.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:18 pm

Yep, EE is another good one.

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:51 pm

Someone said Brandon Marshall is a good comp for him. I think he looks like a smoother athlete than Marshall but I'm probably thinking end of his career Marshall.

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:30 pm

Felt that was a really great call, CHESTY.

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stockholder's picture

April 05, 2022 at 04:55 pm

Take the guy you don't want to face.

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MarkinMadison's picture

April 05, 2022 at 05:10 pm

I don't love Olave's weight, but I think the argument there is that the guy has a route tree and runs good routes. I know some people are in love with him. Given the room right now, it wouldn't upset me if he was picked.

However, this article is spot-on in looking at the thresholds and narrowing in on these three. Of them, I like Watson. I love a player who loves the game so much that he was willing to live in North Dakota. His RAS is ridiculous. I think he will be one of the stars of this draft no matter where he goes. Bottom of the first is not too high for this guy. And for this system, I like his size waaay better than Olave. https://www.draftcountdown.com/2022-nfl-draft/christian-watson-the-next-...

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Starrbrite's picture

April 05, 2022 at 07:51 pm

North Dakota State plays in a dome; college classes are held indoors; roads are paved; public sewer and water; mail is delivered; women can vote; there are churches, schools, and hospitals….and everyone has a woodchipper.

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Johnblood27's picture

April 05, 2022 at 08:01 pm

Fargo State...

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 05, 2022 at 09:37 pm

In NORTH Dakota. I'm stunned. Next thing you're going to say is they don't live in sod houses.

I'm not sure how to process this information. North Dakota.

Ya know what dey call a pretty girl in nort dakota now don'cha...

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LLCHESTY's picture

April 06, 2022 at 11:16 am

*Some roads are paved

FTFY

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Starrbrite's picture

April 06, 2022 at 01:38 pm

We’re re-thinking the “women can vote item”. As for churches, there is one denomination—Lutheran.
The woodchippers are for outa-state visitors—like y’all.

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

April 05, 2022 at 05:48 pm

Late round guy who has me interested is Tanner Conner 6'3", 230lbs and runs a mid 4.3 40 time. The guy also does track. Definitely an athlete.

I am hoping Watson (2nd round - trade back from our 2nd 1st rounder), Pierce (3rd round trade up), Conner (6th?) and a flyer on Britain Covey as 7th rounder. 4 potential WRs with at least 2 guys who should also be able to contribute on STs as a gunner (Conner) and a KR and PR (Covey).

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 07:35 pm

Charles Davis has the Chiefs taking Watson at #30... :(

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greengold's picture

April 05, 2022 at 09:47 pm

He doesn’t have a great profile at all. 31.5” arms. Hands not good, nor his stats. Doubt he gets drafted.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:09 pm

UDFAs need love too. : )

Might develop? STs? Practice Squad? He's got size and speed at least.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 05, 2022 at 10:15 pm

He looks like a great switch to TE candidate... (Looks like a TE already...) Big Sky 60 meter High Hurdle Champion too. Might be worth bringing in? IDK

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White92's picture

April 05, 2022 at 08:01 pm

Not sure I'd risk on a guy coming off an ACL. He'd have to be head and shoulders above the rest pre injury.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 06, 2022 at 10:21 am

I posted this elsewhere but wanted to share again. Frankly, I have major concerns with all those posters who mainly use mock draft simulators who outline who they want the Packers to draft at WR.

My question is...who originally comes out with the internet ratings of these players elgible in the draft? Because following this everyone (the so called draft experts performing mock drafts) use pretty much the same player metrics and ratings over and over. I find it astounding how many pimply faced young men in their teens and early 20's are submitting video and mock drafts to the internet from the basement of their parents homes, or from some apartment rental and they are now the football experts. Everyone pretty much steals and regurgitates the same player rankings over and over, which is why so many people get upset following a Packer draft.

Until yesterday, I had never wanted to try all these mock draft simulators because they all seem to be based on similar player ratings that someone created at some point along the way. I spent a little time on three different simulators and I admit they are fun, particularly to kill some time on slow days. However, here is my concern with the mock draft simulators which may make some of those on CCTV who use them unhappy. Unless you have taken the time to record and watch the WR's at the scouting combine to compare them, and have spent time watching all the Youtube video's on each of the top WR's you have no clue how to correctly evaluate the WR's. All you are doing is regurgitating what these internet people say about a player. You need to take the time to learn each of their strengths where you are able to form your own judgement and evaluation. When you use the draft simulators as your main system to evaluate a player you truly have zero idea about these WR's and who might be the best fit for the Packers. You don't know which WR they should draft at various draft positions. You simply are assuming these players are accurately rated and believe everything written about that player on the simulators.

I want to clearly state I am not an expert (far from it) by any means but I firmly believe watching and evaluating these players play is the ONLY way to really have a good idea who are the better players and how they each should be ranked. By doing so it really helps for you to determine which WR's would make a great #1 and #2 combination to compliment one another in the Packer offense. My suggestion is before using mock draft simulators you watch the Scouting Combine, as well as players Youtube video's to form your very own evaluation. Only after doing this you play with the Mock Draft Simulators. If you do it in reverse you will have tainted and a distorted view of these players. In future drafts I will now utilize mock draft simulators for fun but only after I have formed my own personal opinion on players from the Scouting Combine, and watching their Youtube video's. I recommend you do as well!

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Starrbrite's picture

April 06, 2022 at 09:32 pm

Yep-exactly!

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KrystalRobertson's picture

April 06, 2022 at 05:28 pm

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 07, 2022 at 03:17 pm

Now this is meant ONLY for fun for all the big time mock draft simulator people on CCTV. This is what I came up with in my first draft using fanspeak.com. Please keep in mind, I would NOT draft like this (this many WR's) but I was simply curious where some of the WR's I like would be available when the Packers drafted. How crazy is this? I know....I know Jameson will not be able to play till the middle of the season, and Ojabo will likely miss the whole year. If this board even is somewhat accurate on these WR's being available in these rounds at these draft selections I'd certainly load up on DL/Edge, and OT/IOL in early rounds....after taking Jameson! :)

22: R1 P22 WR Jameson Williams - Alabama
28: R1 P28 WR Treylon Burks - Arkansas
53: R2 P21 EDGE David Ojabo - Michigan
59: R2 P27 WR Khalil Shakir - Boise State
92: R3 P28 WR Velus Jones Jr. - Tennessee
132: R4 P27 WR Danny Gray - SMU
140: R4 P35 WR Calvin Austin III - Memphis
171: R5 P28 TE Jake Ferguson - Wisconsin
228: R7 P7 P Jordan Stout - Penn State
249: R7 P28 C Luke Tenuta - Virginia Tech
258: R7 P37 DL Glen Logan - LSU

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 07, 2022 at 03:31 pm

Damn Snot!
That would be one hell of a haul! Let's get rid of Cobb and convert Lazard to a TE meaning get rid of Dafney to make room. Amari....you are on the ropes my friend and need to step up big this year. Any of you out there thinking the Packers should draft Armani Rodgers, TE with Ohio to team up with Amari Rodgers? LOL!

Will the damn draft get here any sooner?

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BamaPackFan's picture

April 07, 2022 at 04:50 pm

It has taken me a long time to realize that speed is not the only, or even the most important key to getting open and being a great receiver. It turns out that running great routes and having hands plus anticipation is far more important. Devante Adams only ran a 4.56 40. He runs terrific routes and gets open. Treylon Burks ran 4.55 (faster). If Burks has the cutting ability at his size to teach route running, he could be great.

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greengold's picture

April 07, 2022 at 06:18 pm

Absolutely, Bama. 40 Times in shorts are often non-representative with play speed in pads, helmet. There are also some height & weight measures with larger players that could be factored differently - and recently started seeing some of this.

Would love to see full gear on 40s…

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golfpacker1's picture

April 09, 2022 at 07:13 pm

The mock draft simulators are a blast but the packers wont make as many trades as I do. Still my biggest hope is for a trade back into early 2nd round and pick up at least another 3rd and who knows what else. 6 picks in first 3 rounds would be a roster changer personel wise and salary cap too. Younger,cheaper,better players. I would be ecstatic with one of Jamison,Burks,Watson @ 22 and whenever we pick another at 53 or 92, Tolbert,Pickens,Pierce. Later rounds have some real talent and there are some awesome Tyreek Hill style slot guys for late round or UFDA. Also to the guy knocking people who do mock draft thinking we don't know anything about the players: I am not bragging but I would guess that other than interviewing the players that I and most people who do this for fun look at video and read up on players. We do it for fun but we are all addicted to the process. For me the draft is almostas fun as the season. So in answer to your question, yes we mock drafters do alot nof research.

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