The Lass Word: Winners & Losers from Preseason Game #3
Amari Rodgers, Toure shine against Chiefs.
By KenLass
The Packers lost to the Chiefs 17-10 in the final preseason game of 2022. Green Bay must now cut to 53 active roster players. Here is my take on winners and losers from last night’s game.
WINNERS
Amari Rodgers
By far his best game in a Packer uniform. He ran three jet sweeps for 17 yards, showing potential to be used as a running back if needed. He caught 4 passes for 39 yards, getting open and making contested grabs. If some thought Amari was on the bubble, he’s not any more.
Samori Toure
The 7th round draft pick probably iced his position on the final 53 with a productive night. He led the team with 6 catches for 83 yards, getting open all over the field.
Tyler Goodson
The undrafted free agent from Iowa was bottled up most of the night but his 24 yard tackle- breaking touchdown run was a thing of beauty. He didn’t help himself by dropping a kickoff, and then getting tackled at the five yard line. It’s going to be real interesting to see who wins that number three running back spot between Goodson and Patrick Taylor. Taylor is a proven commodity from his play last year but Goodson is explosive and exciting to watch.
Krys Barnes
With all the hype surrounding Isaiah McDuffie this training camp, Barnes showed he is still the solid number three ILB with an impressive night. The high point came on back-to-back plays when he stopped a quick pass over the middle with a sure tackle in the open field on second down, and then knocked down a throw on third down. He also fought off a stiff arm from Ronald Jones to bring down the running back for a short gain in the open field.
Tariq Carpenter
The 7th round draft choice made one of the very rare good plays on special teams, when Isiah Pacheco chose to run out a kickoff that was eight yards deep in the end zone. Carpenter made a textbook tackle on him at the ten yard line. Later he was one on one in open space against tight end Jody Fortson and nailed him. He did appear to misplay his assignment on a 53 yard touchdown pass to Matt Bushman. Carpenter chose to cover the short yardage receiver, who was already covered, and let Bushman get behind him. Still, his special teams ability may just win him a spot.
Ramiz Ahmed
His kicking has been impressive since he came into camp a few weeks ago. Last night he boomed all but one kickoff into the end zone. He also nailed a 23 yard field goal despite getting run into just after the kick. The front office has a realistic option to consider moving on from the erratic Mason Crosby, especially if the all time leading scorer is not fully recovered from his injury. I doubt they’ll do it however.
Jordan Love
To be sure, it was an up and down night for Love, but I’m putting him into the winners’ category. He piloted a couple of impressive drives once he was afforded a little pass protection. He threw for conversions on third and long, he fitted the ball into tight windows over the middle, and he moved the team quite well considering that, for the most part, he had no running game. He looks more and more like someone who could come into a real game and win it. However, he did overthrow Juwann Winfree three times. His back shoulder attempt to Romeo Doubs should have been intercepted, and his throw into triple coverage did get picked off.
LOSERS
The first team O-line
I truly don’t feel good about this offensive line if Bakhtiari and Jenkins can’t play. On the first two series, when the Chiefs played their starting defensive front, the quintet of Nijman, Runyan, Myers, Hanson and Newman were simply steam rolled. Love had to run for his life on every dropback, and running backs couldn’t even get back to the line of scrimmage. The unit was a disaster inside the KC five yard line. Hanson had a false start, there was an illegal formation, and Nijman got a hands to the face flag. If this is the line that has to start against the Vikings, we’re in deep trouble.
Special Teams
The biggest disappointment of this training camp is the lack of improvement on special teams. The kick and punt return units in particular are just pathetic. I’m not sure the infusion of a few starting players is going to help much. I keep hoping Rich Bisaccia has some sort of rabbit in his hat that he will pull out when the games begin to count.
Micah Abernathy, Rico Gafford, Kiondre Thomas
All three defensive backs struggled throughout. Abernathy and Thomas miscommunicated on a long pass in the third quarter, after which Abernathy dropped what looked like it should have been an interception on the goal line, which turned into a KC touchdown. He did get hit just as he made contact with the ball. Gafford was outplayed for the ball on a long pass to Eric Parker. He also showed nothing on a kickoff he could only return to the 16. All three of these players may have played their way on to the cut list.
THREE AND OUT
• First round draft pick Quay Walker was all over the field making plays in the first couple series. He had three impressive tackles, using his speed to smother short pass plays in the flat.
• Juwann Winfree deserved a better fate. He will probably get cut and re-signed to the practice squad. Yet he appeared to have gotten behind the Chiefs’ secondary on all three of the overthrown deep balls from Love. If Love drops those throws into his arms, we’re talking about Winfree as the star of the game this morning.
• The best play of the night didn’t even count. Ismael Hyman made a spectacular catch of a Danny Etling pass in the 4th quarter, but the play was called back for a hands to the face penalty on Zack Tom.
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Comments (159)
TomFisher
August 26, 2022 at 06:13 am
There is some real lunacy in this article. How is Tariq Carpenter labeled a winner when he gave exactly zero help on the deep touchdown to the tight end in the 2nd quarter.... only to label Abernathy a loser because he gave up a deep pass and "dropped an interception"? You said he did get hit just as he made contact..... he got ripped down and away from making the play! It was an egregious missed call that should have absolutely no negative effect on his night.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 09:59 am
He did not drop that interception as far as any evaluator will be concerned (surely anyone who saw it live too). He was essentially tackled in advance as Toure was later.
Abernathy was a moderate positive who only helped himself onto the PS if not the roster. I’m not sure if he was the S who misread the long touch down coverage yet, but he’s a guy who has had a week in the team. That’s familiarity more than ability.
Then again, what did Gafford do that was so bad as a returner that wouldn’t say the same of Rodgers? If Gafford was burned on a long pass that was a busted safety coverage, which is it. Gafford was just unexciting in my view, Thomas was bad. Ento barely got a chance, which suggests maybe they want him for the PS, but essentially no CB after SJC showed above the others. At S, I’d call Kevin King. He’s better CB depth too.
Sadly that’s true if the OLB depth too. Sorry Ken, other than Toure obviously shining , I’m not just not on ball with your takes but mystified by them, even Barnes over McDuffie, though both assuredly solidified their spot. For example, you rightly slate the line play—though it was really Hanson/Newman, but then fail to posit that as a reason why Goodson was bottled up till he broke out. Then you go on to praise Rodgers who ran some trick, schemed plays in a desert of vanilla. Not surprisingly their D got caught out on one, but hardly a good basis for comparison.
Carpenter looks like he was billed, a raw thumper. He may have upside, but it’s PS upside at this point. Otherwise he looked lost (unsurprisingly after missing so much). To me the real loser was Rhyan. He is not going to struggle to get to the PS. Despite his pick, that’s where he should go. He’s got progressively worse in games.
Now to get to the nub and more controversial.
Hanson seems to me to be a figment of Stenavich’s imagination. He was poor again as a C too. Newman is not a T. If there’s doubt about Bakh and Jenkins being ready and we have to play without both, that tandem will do more than anything to jeopardize Rodgers and our chance if victory. Try Tom, try Jones, but find a better solution.
The other one I think we should draw the curtain on is Rodgers. In his best game (agreed) dreadful target percentage and yards per route run and outplayed by Toure and, as a runner, by Goodson. He’s not an athlete in a par with others and the more they try, the more it shows. He’d be a decent second team player but we have much better potential.
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mnbadger
August 26, 2022 at 11:53 am
CW, I agree with most all of what you say above. I'm wondering if KLass saw a different camera feed than I did? GPG!
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 12:56 pm
"Hanson seems to me to be a figment of Stenavich’s imagination....try Tom, try Jones, but find a better solution."
The only plus here is that the problem is on Rodgers' front side as opposed to his blind side.
I don't know what to make of Hanson. Analysts are smiling, but I don't see it, either. Playing next to a really good OT usually helps the G on that side. That said, Newman's getting no help, he's not looking good playing on his own on the edge, and a liability on the outside like that tends to drag down the performance of that side of the line, in general. I'm trying to decide if it's Hanson, Newman, both, or maybe even Myers (although analysts seem to like Myers).
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 03:14 pm
For what it’s worth, I think Myers has been pretty decent, but the right side is such a mess I may be over compensating. A pretty good summary otherwise.
NickPerry
August 26, 2022 at 06:21 am
I've mentioned the key to the Packers season is the O-Line and when Jenkins and Bakhtiari can play. Right now I'm holding my breath and doing A LOT of praying at least one of them will play week one. WHY is this coaching staff so high on Hanson? The Packers could have Ahmad Green & Jimmy Taylor as the starting RBs and it wouldn't matter one bit with the starting O-Line the Packers have been trotting out there this preseason...Just UGH!!!!!
Toure vs Winfree... Hmmm, since 12 has spoken highly of Winfree could he be this year's, Jake Kummerow? Would cutting Winfree piss of 12? Personally, I could give a damn. But I'll be PISSED if they cut Toure and then lose him befre they can put him on the PS.
ST... OMG...Special Teams really is a CURSE in Green Bay! I think they could possibly be WORSE this year on kick and punt coverages and returns this year.
I thought Love played well. The kid has gotten better and better and is playing with several guys who will be selling insurance come week one.
Officiating... Are you F***ing kidding me? That was one of the WORST officiated games I've watched in a long, long time.
RCPackerFan
August 26, 2022 at 08:10 am
Toure vs Winfree.
They may very well keep 8 WR's. Lets be honest, they both deserve to be on the 53. But do they want to keep 8 WR's.
I have a hard time seeing them cut a drafted player who did play really well and has potential upside.
Officiating.
I don't get how they didn't call the hold on the play that Abernathy almost intercepted it, but couldn't because he was essentially tackled. Hell of a play by Abernathy on it.
And then how do they miss the DPI on the final play to Toure. Clearly hit before the ball gets there.
Those 2 were the worst imo.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 08:37 am
"They may very well keep 8 WR's. "
That notion of gamesmanship at cutdowns: that there are players who might be easier to get through to the than others that might lead to what looks like a lopsided roster. I'll be curious to see how BG plays it.
RCPackerFan
August 26, 2022 at 08:42 am
I really could see this being the case.
I just have have a hard time seeing them cutting a drafted player that played well in his first year and showed promise. And then Winfree is a guy that Rodgers really does like. He has mentioned his name a lot. Maybe they cut one or both, but I can see them keeping both.
Cutdowns will be interesting for sure.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 08:30 am
"Toure vs Winfree."
They've both flashed and based on Winfree getting elevated a year ago and getting snaps over Taylor and Rodgers at WR, I don't know which guy they go with. This might be the most interesting decision the Packers make to set the 53, but I think we're overvaluing them with regard to being snatched up as waiver claims.
"ST... OMG...Special Teams really is a CURSE in Green Bay! "
The Titanic couldn't turn on a dime, and there are plenty of cogs in that gear who won't be on the roster in a few days. Still, the Chefs showed just what other teams did to the Packers' kickoff units a year ago: no fear in bringing the ball out of the endzone.
"I thought Love played well. "
He's moved forward this preseason. I wish he'd been at this point a year ago.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 10:18 am
Good observations, Dobber.
Toure vs Winfree. With Lazard, Watkins, Cobb, Doubs, Watson, Rodgers getting snaps ahead of them, neither would play much anyway. So if they keep 7, it will be for a WeTeam assignment. I think Toure will be the better ST player. Winfree would also make it to the practice squad. Not sure about Toure now, with all the plays on tape now. I like both. Glad I don't have to choose.
STs...I call it the curse of the Novak. Return teams are awful...coverage is just as bad. MM had mostly tackle free practices...continued by Matt. And on STs, when running full speed, getting in position to tackle or block and then strike effectively is a skill that needs to be practiced. Packers practice STs mostly as "run to a spot and two hand touch or thump." I wonder if SF, NO and KC all block and tackle STs full speed during camp. All three dominated Rich's group. We still have a problem.
I think Love is showing a flywheel effect with improving NFL QB play. He is so much more confident and decisive. He still misses some throws but those are coachable. And he makes some dandy down field strikes...he has the arm and accuracy is getting better. His field management and ball handling are excellent. His quick, sneaky handoff to Goodman on his TD was nice. We have a good backup QB who is growing into a starter.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 12:54 pm
I think when one considers waiving a player the question to ask is not whether we can squeeze him through waivers but whether we would be upset if he appeared in the Bears or Vikings roster.
I very much would care if Toure did. I don’t want them getting a versatile true deep speed prospect who could help now and much more in future. To be honest, I’d be reluctant to let them get Winfree, but it wouldn’t scare me. Very bluntly, I would not care if Rodgers lined up for either, not for this year nor for the future.
Tundraboy
August 26, 2022 at 06:54 pm
Absolutely! NP between the TV production the announcers and the refs, watching this game was brutal and a true test of our loyalty
I too will be extremely pissed if Toure's is not on the 53. Would feel bad for Winfrey but those are the breaks and he'll get another shot, but Toure never makes it to the practice squad
Not a gamble, that a team that needs an injection of talent and youth at the wide receiver should even consider.
rstain99
August 26, 2022 at 06:22 am
Losers certainly are the whole not so special teams, yikes how can a new scheme look like that they just have to be average. New coach same result, God I am hoping this is going to be a work in progress. Punter and kicker only bright spot. sorry Jordan Love is not the answer if AR goes down, 3 years and still just throws it up. Oline sucked in first 3 sets of downs, ML has a plan he has been great regular season coach was hoping they would take that next step. Tough schedule for sure
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:18 am
It’s preseason. With 17s left on 3rd down, let’s see the guy’s arm. The INT was meaningless.
If the OL can’t block better than they showed last night, Aaron Rodgers won’t perform any better than Love. That’s if he doesn’t get hurt.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:33 am
LaFleur essentially said it was a “hail mary” call he didn’t object to.
stockholder
August 26, 2022 at 07:01 am
Nothing shocked me in this game. Maybe we should carry 8 Wrs. But Toure is still ahead of Winfree. So let's look behind the numbers.
If Toure plays the slot. Which I believe he should. Where does that leave Cobb and Rodgers. Gutey invested a lot in Rodgers. And yes he has improved. But Toure gets space. Next is Cobb. If the slot becomes a revolving door. Cobb stays as long as Rodgers needs him. But why can't the chemistry change? With Rodger's 3 veteran Wrs, all could possibly be leaving next year. Toure is the Keeper. Gutey drafted the 3 best WRs I've seen in years. None may turn into Adams. But this Trio could be the best WR in the NFL, for years to come.
NickPerry
August 26, 2022 at 07:12 am
Not only does Toure create space but he catches the ball 6 catches on 8 targets for 83 yards and 13.8 YPC. Toure isn't going to clear waivers IMO. I know we ALWAYS think this guy, or that guy won't clear and they do, BUT I think the Chicago Bears are just waiting for Toure (or anyone for that matter) to be cut by GB.
stockholder
August 26, 2022 at 07:38 am
Yes!
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:20 am
Well then maybe they should see if Rodgers can clear waivers.
HawkPacker
August 26, 2022 at 10:40 am
I think he Bears are also waiting for Winfree. I wish they could keep both Toure and Winfree. It will be difficult at cut down time and glad I am not making the decisions.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:46 am
They can, if we face up to reality on Rodgers.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 11:16 am
Interesting perspective,Coldworld.
So, if the Packer Brass keeps Amari Rodgers on the roster, are you going to face that reality, or are you going to continue to believe you're more astute that the people running the team? Are you going to accept the reality or will it be like when we didn't trade Aaron Rodgers and you couldn't come to terms with that?
Coldworld, you're an articulate and reasoned guy. I think that you become committed to things and it takes you off the reservation.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 02:32 pm
If they keep him up m obviously going to accept that they have. That doesn’t mean that I can see a solitary valid reason for doing so necessarily. I will see who they retain and who they don’t before forming an overall opinion. I assume that you will be equally able to move in if they do waive him.
I’m a fan of Gute, but even the best make mistakes. The very best don’t hide from moving on from them once the error is clear and we have better athletes, receivers and even an option candidate.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:45 am
If we hadn’t had Doubs, Toure would be being hailed as the most exciting prospect at WR in a decade. He’s certainly close to that, though I’d give Adams the nod. Watch the field not how the player got here. Play and athleticism over past and draft.
Ryan3468
August 26, 2022 at 11:24 am
Cobb won’t last through the season. Watkins is also injury prone. They will need development of the youth and depending how long any injury at wide out lasts they might have to grab outside help. May not get to that. There is talent at wide out.
Tundraboy
August 26, 2022 at 09:57 pm
I'm sensing the same about this group. There are some keepers here
KKB
August 26, 2022 at 07:26 am
This is the first time I have seen any sparks from.AR. it is overdue.
I really like Winfree, but Toure may have more upside.
Once again, Heflin shows he belongs.
Newman and Hanson are terrible on the right side. MAYBE Newman can play guard, but he is no OT. All of the Hanson hype reminds me of Ben Braden last year.
Playing against 2s and 3s most of the preseason, Love should be the best guy on the field. He is NOT.
stockholder
August 26, 2022 at 08:03 am
This was a good game for Love. That OL did him No Favors.
And the thing he has to learn from Rodger's. A QBs game is about stats. Don't throw/chance INTs.
He still throws in a crowd. Ball placement will come. (With his favorites and chemistry.). But Jordan Love is a machine. He just doesn't make us feel Relaxed.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:37 am
That OL (the right side) might be Love’s best hope of volume snaps this year. Stenavich is really starting to worry me.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:06 pm
I don't think of this as a Stenavich or Butkus issue: this is a personnel issue and a health issue. They just don't have a Dennis Kelly or a Jared Veldheer to plug in to shore up the right side, and I don't anticipate them signing one. With Lewis sitting out, they also didn't have a blocking TE to chip or help on that side (as they did early in the season last year as Nijman got his legs under him). I think we'll see one of Bakhtiari or Jenkins on the field in MN....which changes the makeup of the line dramatically.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 03:25 pm
I hope so. But if that’s what transpires, let’s hope they get through the game, because Newman and Hanson are scary when you’ve got your franchise guy behind them and it’s game one of the season.
Add to that, we would be testing both against stunts and blitzes that neither would have faced at those positions and weren’t Newman’s strength last year at G. If it was just plan C, when was plan B getting time to practice and why wasn’t Love better protected early if we are evaluating him?
I just can’t reconcile the actions even with your otherwise eminently reasonable conjecture under those circumstances. I may think Live has progressed farther than some, but I don’t want him starting in September because one of our Ts had a setback or reaction.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 05:18 pm
It does seem weird that they added those guys with a healthy Bakhtiari and Turner and then a healthy Jenkins and Turner. Also added Wagner in between them. But nothing this year. I have to assume it's because they expect them back sooner than later.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 01:31 pm
Let your heart rest easy, Coldworld. Jenkins is on the way. We have 16 days until we have to smash the purple. That's numerous practices, lots of time with the trainer, etc.
IMO, as I've stated from nearly the start, we'll be better off starting Nijman at LT, Runyan-Myers-Newman across the interior, and Jenkins at RT. If Bakhtiari is able to play, put him on a pitch count if we need to in order for him to be healthy for the playoffs. Rhyan, Tom, and Hanson, will be the primary backups. Caleb Jones as the 10th offensive lineman.
I think Nijman/Bakhtiari will keep the LT spot in good shape. I think that Runyan and Myers and Newman is a good, above average interior. I don't have an answer for a backup RT this point.
Dont worry. Be Happy.
HawkPacker
August 26, 2022 at 10:50 am
Stockholder, I gave you a thumbs up. I like most of your comments on Love. I feel more comfortable in his future with GB.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:07 pm
I had to double-check to see if he actually posted it!
murf7777
August 26, 2022 at 07:47 am
Really liked the play of Rodgers in this game, showing he can get open regularly and his versatility. He looks much quicker this year. He’s making some plays every game. Maybe this will quite the bust label folks for awhile. WR is a position that many times takes a couple of years to learn and master. Just think Jordy for a good example, but there are many examples every year in the NFL.
Quay continues to show his value. I’m so excited to see his athleticism at work this year. Watching him go from the far hash mark to the sideline for a tackle is fun to watch. Stats, stats, stats…..well this game they showed up but stats didn’t tell the story of his first two games. He was assignment sure and redirected RB lanes so others could make the tackle. He has great potential because he has shown to be able to play the run, pass and blitz.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
August 26, 2022 at 08:37 am
I just haven't agreed with so many here about Amari. I watched a completely different player at practice this year and in pre-season games. All this crap that he could not separate, etc. I see a player who will be a main stay for years to come. Definitely talent and both Toure and Amari need to stay even if Winfree doesn't. I like Winfree but Toure and Amari have more upside. I know ARod would like Winfree because he is more reliable at the moment because of experience.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:42 am
Snot and Murf, you are both posters I read with interest and see as insightful, but your take on Rodgers is just one I can neither agree with nor remotely reconcile to what I have experienced.
I’m going to register disagreement as clearly and profoundly and as respectfully as I can and no more.
HawkPacker
August 26, 2022 at 10:57 am
Rodgers was absolutely terrible last year and I was so very disappointed. This year, he looks so much faster and better overall compared to last year. CW, I know you don't care for Rodgers but I have to agree with the other guys. I hope they retain his services and also admit that I really like Toure and Winfree and I do not think any of them will clear waivers if cut as Chicago needs receivers and I think all three of these WR's are better than a few of the guys in Chicago.
I know that GB will probably not keep 8 WR's but I wish they could as I think a couple of our older WR's get injured early season.
Cut downs will be tough this year.
Coldworld
August 27, 2022 at 02:56 am
It’s not a question of being bad. It’s a question of being good enough. Is Rodgers good enough to (a) justify taking a spot on this roster over other options and (b) to get significant offensive snaps if he does?
To me he’s not in the best seven WRs in terms of current versatility or capability. Nor do I see the physical traits that support belief that he has greater upside as a receiver than them. He’s not as fast or as quick twitch as any of them.
As a runner he’s not in the top 4. He’s not as explosive as Jones, Hill or Goodson and he’s not going to move piles like Dillon or Taylor. He’s not even got better hands or catch radius than Jones or Goodson. He’s not a guy who makes a play from nothing but one you have to scheme for, as a backfield runner or to get open.
Put simply I’m a very strong believer that you keep your best now and then your greatest potential. On this 80, Rodgers is visibly neither. It’s not that it hasn’t clicked, it’s that athletically he’s just more limited and we now have others who can do more and have the potential to further separate in future. What he does on offense others can do better and have consistently, whether on the ground or in the air. They should therefore get spots before him and not lose snaps to him.
As I’ve asked before, would Rodgers on the Vikings in a couple of weeks daunt you? Would the same thing next year worry you more? My answer is no and no and with confidence. If that was the best that they could throw at us from the slot or backfield I’d be more than happy.
We have better options and it behooves us to keep them. It’s not about Rodgers being anything other than not as good as other players on our 80 man roster, based entirely on play this year.
HawkPacker
August 27, 2022 at 08:19 am
You could be right CW. I guess we will learn a lot about the FO come Tuesday when we see which WR's make the team. Will be interesting this year, as always, and I am glad I don't have to make the decisions.
Coldworld
August 27, 2022 at 08:55 am
I have a feeling Rodgers is staying despite the (to me) obvious talent deficit. Toure is just too talented to waive and with too much upside. Winfree is more talented as a WR, more versatile and a better blocker and in traffic guy. He’s a great type to have in game day if someone gets banged up. He’s more valuable this year.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
August 27, 2022 at 09:14 am
CW,
If we are talking about options the real question is who will provide more value for the benefit of the Packers in 2022? Cobb or Rodgers?
Cobb in league 12 years and is 32-years old and cannot play even half a season. Yes, he will get his 300 to 400 yards each year because he is ARods boy. This is Cobb's last year most likely in the NFL.
Amari is 22 years and 2nd season. Amari like Cobb could possibly be in the NFL for quite a few years.
I think it is a no brainer who should be kept. My response is before the regular season starts that Amari will have more yards than Cobb in 2022, as well as will provide more contributions with Special Teams. Let's see whether I am right...
murf7777
August 28, 2022 at 07:51 am
Put simply I’m a very strong believer that you keep your best now and then your greatest potential.“. I have to disagree with you on this. Right now, you keep who can help you get to the SB, not who will help you a couple of years down the road. My response goes against my normal thoughts on how to run an NFL Franchise because normally I’m about developing and balance for now and the future. The Packers have laid their cards onto the table and have went all-in, so all decisions must be based on all-in.
murf7777
August 26, 2022 at 03:52 pm
I kind of like all the down votes Because it was the same way years ago when I stuck up for Adams in His second year. many people wanted him cut during the off-season. I was right then and I think I just might be now. Certainly, I don’t see Rodgers anywhere near the level of Adams. I just think he needs another year to show what he can do, if he doesn’t do it then he should go down the road into the bust category
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
August 27, 2022 at 09:01 am
Murf,
I agree!
CW, it is okay to disagree about Amari but I see something in the guy and should the Packers keep him than I guess they see some of the same things. I have seen so many posters on here say similar things about Adams, Gary, Love, Tonyan, and now Amari. I see vast improvement in Love and Amari but as Murf says time will tell.
Leatherhead
August 28, 2022 at 10:44 am
If you aren’t getting downvotes, it means nitwits don’t disagree. Think about that.
mrtundra
August 26, 2022 at 08:00 am
I think Abernathy is a solid DB and should make the team. He probably would have had an interception, on the KC TD, but he was held by a WR. No flag. If the WR had not held Abernathy, we most likely get an INT and keep KC out of the end zone, as well. As for Winfree, I know Rodgers loves the guy and sings his praises. I just hope Love didn't overthrow him onto the practice squad. Quay Walker had a good game. So did Barnes, especially on the nice pass break up he had. I hope Ahmed, our back up Kicker, is okay, after the KC defender ran into him, on our FG attempt. It looks like we found our punter! O'Donnell boomed a 69 yarder and averaged 56.3 yards on 6 punts. Heflin made a solid stop on the KC RB, in their backfield, which woke me up! Now on to the big cut sown to the 53!
GregC
August 26, 2022 at 10:09 am
Looks like we could be in for a season of 60 yard punts and 30 yard returns.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 01:35 pm
Or we could just punt it 50 yards and out of bounds so there is no return. But that would be too easy.
GregC
August 26, 2022 at 01:52 pm
Oh come on now, where's the fun in that?
murf7777
August 26, 2022 at 10:16 am
Yes I saw that hold on Abernathy play it might have been a pick six!!! He will be a tough cut, like Toure. Right now we need a CB depth more than WR.
Coldworld
August 27, 2022 at 02:34 am
Abernathy is a S. We need help there too, but I don’t think it’s going to impact WR decisions. The question is are we comfortable with Davis, who really is a last resort in coverage, and Abernathy, or do we need to find an outside solution?
In reflection, I think the best answer would be King. He would potentially help at both S and CB, and thus roster numbers. Can we fit him in to that group among the STers: Gafford, Nixon, Davis and Thomas? Do we really need all of those? Other than Nixon, that’s really their only justification for a roster spot.
ImaPayne2
August 26, 2022 at 10:19 am
I thought so too until lst night. He was confused, looked slow of foot, lacked quickness and didnt tackle much or make contact. I say he played himself off the team. His true self came of light. He is not nfl material
Thegreatreynoldo
August 26, 2022 at 12:53 pm
You need to upgrade the trolling. This is unconvincing.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:16 pm
How about...
"he's not smart enough"
...or...
"I think he added weight since the last preseason game and lost a step."
I think he's keeping those in his back pocket for now.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 05:23 pm
So you want Abernathy on the Vikings hunh?
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 10:26 am
The official's missed call on the hold of Abernathy was huge in the game...maybe pivotal.
I think he makes the 53 given the injuries at S. At least to start the season. The way he hits and tackles, he would need to be on all WeTeam coverage.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:17 pm
I think they could cut him and easily get him to the PS, especially if they're serious about Douglas training at S.
HawkPacker
August 26, 2022 at 11:01 am
Abernathy appears solid but must admit that I have not seen enough of him anoint him as making the 53. Based on the other competition, he very well could make it. I do, however, believe that GB will add another safety when cut downs begin.
Quay Walker looked like a man among boys all preseason!
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:13 pm
"It looks like we found our punter! O'Donnell boomed a 69 yarder and averaged 56.3 yards on 6 punts. "
Either O'Donnell was regularly outkicking his coverage, the KC jam on the gunners was outstanding, or I could beat the Packers gunners in footrace. It seemed like just about every punt, the KC returner caught the ball with 15 yards of open field in front of them.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 01:38 pm
I think it was some of both.
But look, that gunner has to beat a double team at the line, then outrace them down the field, then close in on the catcher but not so fast that he can be juked.
Do the Math. Pythagorean Theorem. You lose about 5 yards if you land it perfectly on the sideline. If you overshoot, it costs you more.
Our punter looks like he has a superleg. I'd punt every ball at the sideline.
Coldworld
August 27, 2022 at 03:24 am
Toure, Gafford , Ento, Winfree, McDuffie, Davis, Nixon come to mind as gunners who have performed this preseason and I’m not sure many were out there last night (though I lost track early). Not all those make the roster, but enough will.
Speed isn’t everything, but my impression was that most of it was being allowed to concentrate elsewhere yesterday. TGR’s snap count piece usually gives a good insight into who we had out there and how close that is likely to be to in season personnel.
RCPackerFan
August 26, 2022 at 08:05 am
Winners:
Tyler Goodson-
He IMO cemented the 3rd RB spot. Now he did muff the KR and made the mistake of taking it out when he could have taken a knee. That was a mistake he can learn from. You can't teach his skills. His speed, ability to catch the ball is a terrific fit for our offense.
Samori Toure-
I don't know if he did enough to win a spot on the 53. But he has been very good throughout all of camp. He has definitely been a really good find as a 7th round pick. If they do decide to cut him, I think there is a strong chance he gets picked up by another team. The battle for WR is going to be interesting. They have 8 guys that deserve to be on the roster. I think there maybe a chance they keep all 8. If they keep 6 or 7 I am not sure Toure makes it. But he did everything he could to make it.
Zach Tom-
Tom IMO deserves to be one of the starters. Either at RG or RT depending on if Jenkins is ready. I would rather have him at RT and have Newman at RG. Hanson maybe ok at OC, but he is not our best option at RG. Tom on the other hand can play all 5 spots on the OL. But he should be one of our starters. The one play he got penalized on with the hands to the face, was a hell of a play. He was blocking 2 guys on that play and holding his own.
Ramiz Ahmed-
It sounds like Crosby will be back. But if he isn't, I would feel comfortable going with Ahmed. He has been really good since arriving in GB.
Jack Coco-
I don't know if he will be the LS for this year. But I felt his snaps were on point last night. I didn't watch every snap, but i was watching on the FG/Extra point tries and they were perfect snaps. The punts seemed to be good overall too.
Losers:
Special Teams-
I thought the Kicker and the snapper and the Punter were all good. But coverage was brutal. Blocking was brutal. Just not good.
Pass rush-
I like Enagbare as a backup. But I really dont' know what else we have behind Gary and Smith. I still wonder if they maybe looking for a veteran go bring in. None of the OLB's looked great last night.
Notes:
I disagree about the loser part for Abernathy. I felt he was good overall last night. I think he may have won the 4th S spot. The one play he should have had an interception on but was grabbed and held from catching the interception. Instead of a TD it should have been offensive pass interference.
We finally saw the speed of Walker showing up. He showed some of his potential last night. I'm excited to see what he does and how they use him in week 1.
I'm really curious to see how the positions shape up. In my mind right now I'm thinking on offense we keep 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 TEs, 8 WRs, 9 OL. That would be 26. Meaning we only keep 24 defensive players. Which I think would be 6 DL, 4 OLB, 4 ILB, 6 CB, 4 S. And the 3 specialists. This is my thinking right now. But that could change in an hour.
It will definitely be interesting to see what happens during cut downs.
mbpacker
August 26, 2022 at 09:13 am
Wonder how Ahmed does in cold weather late in the year?
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:26 am
Crosby can’t get the ball into the end zone even in warm weather. I don’t see how the guy couldn’t be an improvement.
murf7777
August 26, 2022 at 10:18 am
I agree with you about Tom. The play where he tore the players helmet off he had to help Caleb while he was also blocking his own man. Caleb lost his block with and inside move. Tom looks like a man who could start now if need be.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:50 am
Even I will say he would be better than Newman at T (and that Newman is better than Hanson at G).
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 01:51 pm
IMO, the blocking on returns was "brutal" because it's a meaningless preseason game and there's no sense in engaging in a high speed collision with a 230 lb man who's been sprinting for 40 yards.
I mean, there was no blocking from the wedge guys on those returns, but I think that was by design. It'll look different against the purple.
That's an interesting take on Tom. I think he's had a pretty good preseason, but some other people see a guy who isn't very good, even for a Day 3 rookie in his first camp.
Goodson should be our #3 back. If we were in a situation where he had to play a bunch of snaps and play well, i'd have confidence in him.
I am hoping we can keep Toure on the practice squad. I'm not sure he'll clear waivers,
PatrickGB
August 26, 2022 at 03:57 pm
I was pleasantly surprised on how well the new punter, kicker and snapper performed.
canadapacker
August 26, 2022 at 08:09 am
Love improved for sure - but I wouldnt call him a winner - his accuracy still is not where it needs to be - and he threw up the INT = I must admit he can move in the pocket better than some thought he could. Carpenter a winner ? I thought he is almost an automatic cut = and maybe a PS guy at best. I would keep all wideouts - including both Toure and Winnfree and Winnfree was making contested catches all preseason. Rodgers needs work on punt return strategy more on kick returns Gafford certainly isnt the answer but Goodson is . Not so special teams seem to have a lot of work to do - lane coverage seems non-existent - and all and all - have we really learned how to tackle - our D and special teams seem to miss way to many - flying around yes but falling off guys and getting juked out. Hope that the 53 get a lot of time on that.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 26, 2022 at 08:10 am
Tariq Carpenter can't play defense. He is not ready. The only question is whether his supposed ST ability along with any long-term upside the coaching staff might discern warrants a roster spot.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 08:16 am
Obviously, we need to hire a fiery ST coach and populate the roster with special teams demons who play with their hair on fire.
Or……
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:28 am
It’s been said that the key to good special teams is quality depth on the roster. Maybe that’s the real issue
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 11:03 am
No, the real issue is unreal expectations of special teams.
The punting team could stop every single runback by punting out of bounds. The punt return team could fair catch every punt.
The placement team has been perfect in preseason,but they're lumped into the "terrible special teams" narrative.
The kick return team hasn't turned the ball over.
The kick coverage team hasn't given up a bunch of long returns. We could kick the ball through the endzone, or we could squib kick. Both options would solve the problem of long returns.
My expectations of special teams:
1) Make your placements. Missed FGs are essentially a turnover.
2) Don't turn it over.
3) Don't get people hurt, or pick up penalties, by returning things that don't have to be returned.
4) Punt towards the sidelines.
Those simple steps will do a lot more than endlessly pursuing special teams demons and superduper coaches.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 03:42 pm
I’m waiting for TGR’s piece so I can get some insight on how ST snaps were spread out. I got the impression that it was a real mixed bag rather than the expected personnel for the season, but it’s so hard to keep track live.
RCPackerFan
August 26, 2022 at 08:19 am
He is a perfect practice squad player. I see a skillset there.
I just wonder if he maybe more suited for ILB or a hybrid type of role in the future. But the PS is a perfect place to figure that stuff out for him.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
August 26, 2022 at 08:41 am
I see the same with Carpenter
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 08:46 am
I think he's a no-brainer for the PS. I don't see anyone claiming him based on his limited preseason showing.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 10:33 am
Agree. Abernathy over Carpenter. Both would pass through waivers but Abernathy can play defense now, if needed and shows solid instincts and a nose for the ball. I expect he would also be as good or better than Tariq on WeTeams. He's a hitter.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 05:37 pm
When I took a quick look at the roster yesterday I thought it would be fairly easy to count the 10 guys that for sure won't be one of the 69 left in the building on Wednesday (plus the IR guys) but I got to 6 and it was tougher. I guess if they IR'd Rasheed Walker or Gaines for the season it opens a couple more spots. There's also a good chance they bring in one guy to the roster and one or two to the PS.
There's also a good chance I've paid more attention to the camp notes to take my mind off other things and am reading too much into the occasional positive mentions for some of the borderline guys. Still I think there's going to be somewhere between 3-5 guys that don't make the "69" I would have liked to see them keep for their potential next year.
Coldworld
August 27, 2022 at 09:08 am
Yes, it’s tough. There are a bunch of ST types that I wouldn’t keep for their abilities outside of that, but the way they’ve been tooling through personnel makes it very hard to tell which ones are actually “must haves” for RB.
Then, as you say, I think their will be waiver claims and Gute is typically active after waivers for our PS or even roster. A TE, OLB, S, CB or ST pick up wouldn’t surprise me, possibly a few. I wouldn’t be shocked to see us pick up a returner either if one breaks loose, unless the real plan has always been to go with Doubs. I could also see a couple of player swaps/trades for picks before cuts.
Right now, the seemingly obvious move would be King. He improves S depth and CB depth in one go and possibly frees up a spot in doing so. These aspects make picking a final roster almost impossible. So, when I try I start with who I think would be most likely to be claimed and work back. After that I run into the block that is not knowing the real importance to STs and health of guys like Leavitt and Walker (T).
ricky
August 26, 2022 at 08:30 am
Thank you for the short analysis of special teams. I was hoping for a big improvement when Bisaccia was hired, or at least competence and professionalism. Instead, the special teams continue to be bad. Are they playing guys trying to make the team rather than the guys who will be on the field when the games count? If so, it didn't work. This should have been a tune-up for the real games. Instead, it seems we'll be holding our collective breath every time there is a punt or kickoff. Why aren't they better?
coolhand
August 26, 2022 at 10:14 am
Well, I would say I saw an improvement on blocking for punts and FGs or EPs. Now the kick return blocking has been atrocious and the coverage units as well. Still a ways to go but also, these aren't the final ST players. Many will be cut and replaced and then we will see what we have.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 10:41 am
If the camp ST players are still guys "filling in" and may be cut...then the priority and urgency to vastly improve STs is still mostly talk.
The expected starting O and D teams practice continuously together during camp...why don't the WeTeams? Seems like teams are still way down the priority list. Rich hasn't looked very happy the last 3 weeks.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:24 pm
"If the camp ST players are still guys "filling in" and may be cut...then the priority and urgency to vastly improve STs is still mostly talk."
I think this still has a lot to do with sitting the top 20 or so players on the roster. It has to impact who they're putting on the field for situational play in preseason games like this. I say this recognizing that I haven't seen the practice reports on who's playing key ST roles there.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 03:46 pm
I think a lot of it is also try outs for position spots. They tend to give lighter ST duties to guys playing for a position. I have to say that’s fair. So no starters and less of the guys that normally firm the bedrock of in season STs. As I noted earlier, TGR may clarify who was out there soon.
Bure9620
August 26, 2022 at 08:31 am
Agree on O-line they were beaten soundly which is a concern considering the amount of draft picks we have used on O-linemen. The good news is Newman is a diaster at RT but will not be at RT. Hanson was awful but will not be a starter. Josh Meyers was solid, had two real nice blocks in the run game. WR is not a concern for me as this offense will go as far as their O-line. If they can protect Rodgers and and open some holes in the run game, The Packers will move the ball. I find that a couple weak links on the O-line make the unit look terrible overall. Yosh was solid and Meyers so 4 linemen I feel good about with Bahk and Jenkins. Why Newman is at RT is beyond me, I hope it is simply preseason experimentation. I don't know what they see in Hanson....I thought Tom looked athletic as well.
PatrickGB
August 26, 2022 at 09:32 am
I agree. The only reason that they are keeping Hanson is probably because he is slated to ne the backup center. So they cut him a lot of slack. Maybe Tom would be a better choice there but I don’t know what they see in practice or what other plans they might have for him. Rhyan looks lost at guard so maybe that’s why they keep Hanson.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:53 am
He has looked poor at C with the seconds though. Get Tom up to speed!
PatrickGB
August 26, 2022 at 01:52 pm
Agree. But for some reason the team does not. We must be missing something.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 03:48 pm
Undoubtedly, but it’s unusual for all of us to be missing.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 26, 2022 at 11:00 am
I agree with a lot of this. My concern is that if Bakh and Jenkins return for game one they still won't be able to put their five best OL out there. It sounds like Yosh might not be able to make the transition to RT. I don't think he has any reps at guard. If Bakh is back, Yosh might be on the bench.
I am not as sanguine about Myers. I hope he has made a jump in his second year, but so far I see a center who is just okay. I hope Myers is more than just marginally better than Patrick was last year. I think it might click for him, if not early in the season, perhaps or probably later.
HawkPacker
August 26, 2022 at 11:18 am
I was a bit surprised that they did not take Creed Humphries in the draft last year when they had the chance.
HawkPacker
August 26, 2022 at 11:22 am
The only question I have about the OL performance is: Did they face the potential KC starters, second team or 3rd team players? This would make a huge difference on their analysis.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 01:03 pm
Kansas started with their seconds soon enough that we saw that not changing the outcome.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 05:46 pm
It's even scarier when you realize the Chiefs didn't play Chris Jones or Frank Clark t all that I saw.
Making some decisions and getting these guys settled into playing next to each other over the next two weeks should help a little. Hopefully Jenkins can play in team drills next week.
Packers0808
August 26, 2022 at 08:34 am
Might be me but this article seems just a jumble of words. Most of it doesn't seem to make much sense as to who did what to help/hurt themselves. Oh well. Toure is solid, Abernathy looked good and got screwed by refs. and talking about ref was this a JR High game?
Doofapotamus
August 26, 2022 at 08:46 am
Some takeaways from last night:
-I like Goodson and Toure to make the roster. Heflin is showing he also deserves a chance to stay.
-McDuffie and Barnes are both solid backups.
-Amari Rodgers is finally showing what he's capable of and I'm excited to see how he plays this year.
-Newman is showing exactly what he did last year, nothing special. Jake Hanson is basically a revolving door and has absolutely been the weak spot on the line this season.
-The special teams last night were some of the worst I've ever seen, with the punt teams giving up an average of 20 yards, per PUNT return! We couldn't even average 20 on a kickoff return! Let alone get enough coverage from the punt teams to even return a punt. I think we had one return last night for no yards if I remember correctly.
-The officiating was horrendous. How you can possibly call "running into the kicker" when a guy dives at the plant leg of a kicker and upends him is beyond me. Plenty of questionable call/no calls, too.
-With all of the injuries at safety, I think Abernathy absolutely deserves a shot. Kid's a baller and is all over the field. Would've had a pick if he didn't get interfered with, too.
-QB battle is still "up in the air" as coaches will likely stick with Love despite Etling winning the hearts of the fans and outplaying him in every facet.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 10:52 am
Good observations. I disagree, however, that the "QB battle is still in the air." Love is the clear back up.
The only thing in the air is whether Etling gets cut and signed to the PS or is on the 53. I think PS. Too many other more talented players at key positions needed for depth and WeTeams.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 26, 2022 at 11:02 am
I don't think there is any backup QB battle. It's Love.
I think Etling is an obvious candidate for the PS. I think there is no reason to think he has the smallest chance of making the 53.
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 01:30 pm
"I don't think there is any backup QB battle. It's Love.'
I don't believe there ever was one, whether it was Etling or Benkert.
Doofapotamus
August 26, 2022 at 04:53 pm
That was more of a sarcastic comment, as I was referring to the fact that Etling has outplayed Love but they obviously are going to keep Love.
Oppy
August 26, 2022 at 11:17 pm
You people and your "Etling outplaying Love" stuff are killing me.
First Benkert, and now Etling.
I said it last week, I'll say it again- for a fan base that has had two HoF QB's at the helm for about 30 years straight, Packers fans are perhaps the worst evaluators of QB talent in the league.
Etling won't be in the NFL in 5 years. He may not be in the league after 2022. Love will be, even if it's not with the Packers.
T7Steve
August 26, 2022 at 08:57 am
Love's interception wasn't his fault. He couldn't help it if there were 3 KC defenders where he threw the ball. HA! Really, with only seconds left in the half, it was good to see a quarterback chance a wild throw and not worry about his stats.
Not even going to talk about the no offensive line. Everything we feared came to light, and I hope the coaches have a plan and were fooling us to set up the Vikings and give them a false sense of security.
I'm hoping the same a Ken about STs. The real ST will have 14 days to get ready and they were just trying to look at talent and save injuries. If that wasn't the case, we look worse than last year.
canadapacker
August 26, 2022 at 10:21 am
Wasnt his fault? Why is that ok ? Remember what AR did to San Fran last years with about that much time left - 38 seconds is not a 10 second hail Mary situation. Plus he could have gotten 3 or 4 more plays off and at least gotten into field goal position. You are dreaming like Favre - INT's dont count TD's do????
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:56 am
I have no issue with a high risk big play as time runs out. Love could have used his time outs, he said so himself afterwards, but I’d rather we go to score in those situations than just run the clock in most situations and certainly in this one.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 26, 2022 at 11:14 am
Yeah, IDK. Alize Mack was never within a yard of that pass. It wasn't a jump ball, and it sure as hell wasn't a 50/50 ball. Because I respect math, I can't write that Alize Mack had absolutely no chance of catching Love's pass. I suppose the KC defensive back could have deflected the ball in Mack's direction. Something akin to the Franco Harris immaculate reception. 😆
[Crap, I think I did write that Mack had absolutely no chance of catching that pass in the Snap Count article, which is held up by the inefficiency of the NFL in releasing all of the numbers. The INT was returned to the KC 45 yard line, but a KC penalty wiped out the 32 yard return.]
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 01:09 pm
Mack let him self get very easily and effectively walled off too.
But my point was that Love, if anything could have taken a time out. As he later said, that was a lesson to learn. That aside, taking a low odds deep shot in those situations is better in my view than just letting the click fizzle out. Brady and Bellicheck have long realized that, even MM was a proponent. I like that aggressive mindset.
T7Steve
August 29, 2022 at 06:59 am
You did see that was sarcasm didn't you? He made a bad decision but erred on the side of a big play.
PackfanNY
August 26, 2022 at 09:02 am
My first and best reaction is THANK GOD pre season is OVER. Way too much stressing good or bad about what people see in these meaningless games. The team on the field barely resembles what the team will look like on opening day. That’s just a fact. You can’t take 25 or 30 players and put them in street clothes on the sideline and act like this isn’t a glorified try out camp. I don’t blame teams for sitting players but come on. The NFL has some people believing games like last night are “meaningful”.
The second best reaction is the Packers are relatively healthy. Of course, unless they got injured at practice why would they. This is a good thing. Now we have to deal with a TWO week gap before they play an actual NFL game. What exactly is the purpose of this gap?
Packers0808
August 26, 2022 at 10:29 am
Rest, recoup, healing and practice would be my 4 guesses. Think of Bak and Jenkins, saw we need them badly last nite.
vin0770
August 26, 2022 at 09:17 am
Is The Pack just got a ST curse on them? Doesn’t matter who’s the coach who are the bodies being used…the other teams ST is way better 😢 Man I hope with cuts we have better possibilities on the field.
I mentioned it after last week and now this last preseason game how do they protect this kicker Ahmed? I don’t think they can and he’s gonna be snarfed up but he looks like a legit option to Mason if he can’t go. Nice find.
SanLobo
August 26, 2022 at 09:18 am
Went to the game and so was a late night. Just waking up to this. The Lenny Dawson tribute was nice but no one in the stands had a clue what was going on when Mahomes went out there and nothing was said over the speakers. Created a lot of confusion for folk. Watching the game, our team looked flat. Sorry Ken, but I don’t see Love as a winner last night. Don’t see him a loser, but I did not see growth from last week. Listening to Chiefs fans laugh about our ST’s was embarrassing. Taking penalties at the 6 inch line was just poor execution.
Winfree was open for big gains on multiple plays but was over/under thrown or ignored. Nice performances by Amari, Ahmed, Goodson, Toure, Walker flashed, and the 4th down TFL by Heflin should have been a momentum changer. No surprise Doubs is a lock on the 53.
We were convinced the Refs must of hit the Taco Bell across the street from Arrowhead because they looked like they wanted to be somewhere else all night long.
PatrickGB
August 26, 2022 at 09:26 am
Usually I find something to nitpick about over an article. Not today!
HarryHodag
August 26, 2022 at 09:28 am
The o-line has been in a state of constant flux. They keep trying to move pieces around and subsequently what you have are five guys not used to playing together. The Chiefs defense(starters) is one of the best in football so what you saw is what I suspect you'll have week one: a unit not hardened into effective execution.
Sure, everyone is healthy but if they get stomped by the Vikings, what good is all the injury protection? Myers looks good. I don't know why the love for Hanson. Newman played a lot last year but he looks to have taken a step back, perhaps because they keep moving him around. Even if David B. and E. Jenkins are back, they haven't practiced that much. Hope for the best and expect the worst.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 09:47 am
Rodgers had his best game, but his yards per route run is abysmal even so. Toure clearly outplayed him as a WR. His gadget plays—schemed in preseason—leave me wondering what Goodson would do with those, let alone Watson. His returning was uninspiring. If he shone, then it might be time to adjust the brightness.
He’s not the best backfield threat, the fastest or most agile runner or slot and he doesn’t get open against non starters. This draft deference (presumably) in the face of actual play by him and others just leaves me baffled. If we lose Rodgers what are we worse at? I think we actually get better in every way other than STs. Sadly I think we need a better option there anyway.
ImaPayne2
August 26, 2022 at 10:17 am
I like Winfree. The catches he made were in traffic and some with someone on his back and he hauled those in with sure hands. I thought all the receivers did well. Wonder why our number two pick didnt play? Why would you keep him out? Even though he missed time he should know the play book by now you would think.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 10:59 am
I hope not a setback. I don’t think the playbook would prevent a couple of planned routes.
JohnnyLogan
August 26, 2022 at 10:26 am
Rodgers is supposed to be the Cobb clone but he doesn't have that quick twitch that Cobb came to town with. Cobb was electric right from the beginning and looked like he could get go all the way once he got the ball. Rodgers not so much.
They're trying to turn Rodgers into Ty Montgomery. Ty was better in my estimation and not all that great. Tougher runner but even he wasn't as impressive as Goodson has been so far. Goodson is an RB, Rodgers a WR but not one you'd ever put wide. I'd rather have Goodson with the ball for running the ball, screens, and sweeps.
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:43 am
TyMo isn’t very good at anything, but he does enough to have stuck around the NFL longer than most. Whether the Packers really need that kind of player is an open question. Whether Rodgers can perform at TyMo’s level is another.
stockholder
August 26, 2022 at 10:36 am
I understand what you're saying. Rodger's isn't a sturdy WR. He won't turn into a Devante Adams. Most college teams; are putting their fastest, and most athletic player, at WR now. The fact we have 3 "outplaying" the developmental player. Shows that.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 11:04 am
I fear Winfee is on the WR bubble, about to pop.
I think he is better than Amari, who did finally flash some production. But this end of camp gadget plays feels like "make work, find him a role" stuff. Regular season hand offs to Amari and not AJ, AJD...motion jets to Amari and not Christian...make him the returner when other players on the 53 can do it?
It seems Rodgers will be the new Burks. Hope he surprises me.
TarynsEyes
August 26, 2022 at 10:02 am
I don't get caught up in trying to guess who makes the roster as the info that is needed is too exhausting to weed through and why I wait until the FO makes the roster and go from there as to my opinion on the season's expectations, but I will talk of Love and the once again praise for his steps which garnered a ridiculous comment by Rodgers saying Love,' has mastered the Offense' and this is where I'll take issue by asking a question.
Would you let the new Master of the Offense be the starter in 5 games this season to 1) get the experience needed to prove this thinking, 2) to make the 5th year option a no-brainer, 3) willing to risk losing the Division and the playoffs with this decision, 4) so the team can tell Rodgers to move on next year 5) none of the above because the steps taken by Love are not enough, and it's time to stop blowing biased smoke to satisfy a false fantasy?
SanLobo
August 26, 2022 at 10:39 am
I’m often perplexed by some of your posts, but there are nuggets here. My impression is that the GB front office and coaches are either seeing something most others are not, or they are trying to talk up his value for a trade. I don’t pretend to know what is going on. Love shows growth from last year, but not from last week. He looked confident behind center, but he did not appear to inspire confidence in the huddle or on the sideline.
TarynsEyes
August 26, 2022 at 11:02 am
It doesn't surprise me or leave me perplexed (completely baffled) in the least, that one who responds with a retort of one securely sitting on the proverbial fence.
The FO is sitting there with you, because the only thing that is said about Love is his taking steps but are afraid to admit, perhaps, that those steps are leading nowhere, especially NOT in the direction to be able to say bye-bye to Rodgers at any point over the next three years, which creates a huge issue for the 5th year option, less an extension before the 5th year option decision which would secure Love of being, at least, a bridge QB to another drafted before the Rodgers years (3) are over.
Oppy
August 26, 2022 at 11:34 pm
The problem isn't Love, it's the PR fiasco that Aaron Rodgers leaving (or not leaving) presents.
I would have traded Rodgers and moved forward before last season. It was a golden opportunity to make a massive move for the future. Instead, the Packers FO caved and signed the proverbial deal with the devil. Now we'll be in year-to-year limbo with no ability to truly plan for the future.. and the Packers will be crucified if they take the reigns from Rodgers and look to the future.
Don't know if Love is the future of the Packers or not; but I know Aaron Rodgers isn't. I personally don't think the Packers can win another superbowl with Rodgers under center; Rodgers is too concerned with his own legacy to do what's best for the team. When the big games come around, Rodgers is visualizing Rodgers winning the big game, not the Packers winning the big game. Rodgers is the most talented passer in the game's history, but that's the difference between Rodgers and Brady. Rodgers is looking for the storybook big play, I-saved-the-day last second 30-yard rainbow TD to win the game, while Tom Brady will take the 15 yard out route, hand off the rock, work the clock and get the kicker into field goal range and let him win the game with a kick.
Should have moved Rodgers and really let Love develop, find out what we have in him with a year or two of real, live experience. If he doesn't turn out to be the guy, get the next one until we find the guy. Now the Packers are holding their cocks because the guy they drafted and have been developing will never be tested. This team has been built to transition to a young QB and that plan has been compromised.
Rodgers better lead this team to a SB, otherwise the Packers have shit the bed big time because they became afraid to stick to their original plan and do what was in the best interests of the long term health of the team (in terms of football.) They instead caved and switched gears to protect the long term financial impact that a healthy relationship with a retired Aaron Rodgers brings to the team's coffers.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 11:20 am
I am curious...how do you discern a QB "inspiring confidence in the huddle or on the sideline" watching the game on TV?
From all reports from those on the scene at practices and games, the consensus is Love is indeed managing the huddle, play management, pre snap and post snap reads very well...when he has had a few seconds to throw.
Packers are set at back up. Love is not going to be traded this year.
SanLobo
August 26, 2022 at 12:43 pm
I was sitting 25 feet behind the GB bench at the 50 yard line. I watched the players, their body language and facial expressions. Both those dressed out and those who were not. That is how I made that assessment, and others around me in the stands (fans from both sides) talked about it as well.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 05:47 pm
I'm sorry, but I've gotta go with my cousin, Vinnie, on this.
You were sure you were sitting 25 feet behind the bench? Not 35? Not 40? How can you be so sure? And didn't some of these players have pads on? Helmets, maybe? Beards?
Were they facing towards you, or away from you?
And yet, you are able to discern that underneath these pads and helmets and beards from a distance greater across than this courtroom that they were not being inspired.
And were you, or any of the people talking about it in the stands, under the effects of alcohol?
I'm sorry, San Lobo, you are entitled to your opinion. But I'd encourage you to consider that maybe you were misinterpreting some things, under the conditions.
SanLobo
August 27, 2022 at 07:46 am
I have never understood the need to denigrate other peoples observations by folks who were not there. Originally I was going to say we were about 9 meters behind the bench, but used feet to make it easier. It was 90 degrees out and we were drinking water. Just water. None of the GB Ones dressed out. Easy to see their faces. After 35 years of service, it gets easy to see how men feel by watching their body language. Helmets, beards and pads don’t hide body language. Love was not inspiring them. Sorry if that runs counter to other folks opinions, but that is what I observed. And I was not alone. Unprompted, the Chiefs fan sitting to my right said, “They don’t seem too excited about that QB of yours. Who is he?” So there you have it. By someone who was, you know, actually there to see it.
LambeauPlain
August 26, 2022 at 11:20 am
I am curious...how do you discern a QB "inspiring confidence in the huddle or on the sideline" watching the game on TV?
From all reports from those on the scene at practices and games, the consensus is Love is indeed managing the huddle, play management, pre snap and post snap reads very well...when he has had a few seconds to throw.
Packers are set at back up. Love is not going to be traded this year.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 05:48 pm
Guys who get paid a lot of money to steer the organization seem OK with Love.
Grandfathered
August 26, 2022 at 01:56 pm
Blowing biased smoke and satisfying false fantasies are two of my most favorite things! Taryn, you're a hoot!
DeezNutz
August 26, 2022 at 10:10 am
Our special teams coverage guys remind me of my days playing electric football as a kid back in the 70s. My guys would just vibrate all over the field, directionless, aimless and ineffective. It pissed me off then, and it pisses me off now.
ImaPayne2
August 26, 2022 at 10:15 am
Ya old memories. At least the vibrating guys made contact though you have to admit.
ImaPayne2
August 26, 2022 at 10:13 am
I agree that Gafford and Abernathy may have played themselves off the team. You would have to be despirate to keep these guys even on the practice sqaud. I mean would you bring either in during the season to fill a hole. They would be torced often. Abernathy didnt show any speed. He seems slow of foot or for sure lacks quickness.
Special teams again looked like crap, there are a host of people who should be easy to cut from this team.
What I find ironic is these guys knew this was the show and tell game of their careers and yet they were afraid to tackle, and got steamrolled the whole game by KC's number twos and three's.
Packers0808
August 26, 2022 at 10:35 am
Just find another team to cheer for. You would be a much happier person. That gray cloud has had to rain by now!
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:51 am
He would take the same attitude to another team.
So would you. “The Bears are poised to turn it around this year. Fields & OL really showing improvement.”. And so on.
Packers0808
August 26, 2022 at 11:40 am
Right you are, but at least we wouldn't need to see his constant bullshit! Thinks he is cute i guess.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 05:52 pm
He's a Vikings fan, guess he wants Gafford and Abernathy in purple.
Since'61
August 26, 2022 at 10:29 am
Last evening proved what I have been most concerned about the the 2022 Packers, which is their OL. Love had no chance while our OL was playing against the KC starting DL. We need to get Jenkins and/or Bak on the OL ASAP. We need to do a much better job of protecting our QB whether it's Rodgers or Love at some point. Fortunately the Packers have 2 weeks plus to get their OL ready for Week 1.
As for Love he remains a story of inconsistency. He makes some nice throws and then he makes throws that leaves me SMH. I think that he is improving but the reality is that he still has a long way to go and he needs some playing time in the regular season which he is unlikely to get while Rodgers remains healthy.
I'm happy the preseason is over and we made it through without any serious injuries to our starting players. Now the real work begins to get ready for the season opener against the Vikings. Hopefully, Bak, Jenkins and Savage will be ready to go. GPG! Thanks, Since '61
barutanseijin
August 26, 2022 at 10:52 am
If the line doesn’t improve, Love will get plenty of playing time.
Since'61
August 26, 2022 at 11:59 am
Sadly that is correct and then our season is over because he just not ready, especially if he plays behind a porous OL.
Thanks, Since ‘61
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 11:10 am
We had 100 yards on the ground in about 22 runs. Somebody was getting blocked. And we got sacked 3 times, but I think two of those were Etling. I think that people are overstating the problems of the offensive line. Like you, I think the play of the Oline is critical, because if they do their job, Rodgers and the RBs will do theirs, and I think they'll do fine.
Remember, KC was one of the league's better defenses last year.
I see Love as very comparable to Rodgers at the beginning of his third year.
Like you, I'm happy we didn't lose anybody for the season with an injury in the preseason. I still remember Jordy in 2015.
Since'61
August 26, 2022 at 03:06 pm
LH - Yes, I remember Jordy as well. The OL played better after the KC starters left the game. However during the first two Packer offensive drives the OL was getting pushed around especially on run plays. They did OK in pass pro but that looked scary until the KC starters left the game.
Fortunately the real work begins now and hopefully that means the OL will be ready for Week 1 and all the better if Jenkins and/or Bak are ready to go. Stay safe. Thanks, Since '61
Tedlyflyfisher
August 26, 2022 at 12:04 pm
1. Toure makes this team. No disrespect to Winfree, but I think Toure has a much higher upside and we need his speed now that MVS is gone.
2. Abernathy makes it too.
3. Tariq for special teams only.
4. Gafford has shown nothing good.
5. Yes we’re concerned about the OL. But IF Jenkins is back for week 1 it may look better. I’m also wondering if Jenkins plays RT and RG is played by Newman or Zach Tom. That sounds a lot better to me.
6. Goodson has made the team.
7. Big question—are there starters who didn’t play in the preaseason who will make a difference to special teams? Good Lord they look horrible!
Cartwright
August 26, 2022 at 12:43 pm
If Toure and Winfree can do what Amari Rogers can do then the decision is easy, unload the 3rd rounder, out of the three he'll be the one to most likely clear waivers. GPG
dobber
August 26, 2022 at 03:21 pm
I disagree: his draft status probably makes him the most likely to get scarfed up.
Be prepared to lose anyone you cut. In that sense, I probably cut Winfree...that comes from someone who isn't an AmRod fan.
Coldworld
August 26, 2022 at 04:12 pm
Do you really fear him on, say, the Bears? If not, then who cares if he is picked up? I actually don’t think he will be. He’s just got too much bad film.
Leatherhead
August 26, 2022 at 05:53 pm
I think that other than a few guys at the top, most WRs are fungible assets.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 06:01 pm
I think it's funny that if Rodgers makes the roster it will be as a returner but if they listened to you he wouldn't make it.
Leatherhead
August 28, 2022 at 08:36 am
Even if you don’t return, you still have to field the kick.
Coldworld
August 27, 2022 at 09:24 am
Talent isn’t fungible.
Leatherhead
August 28, 2022 at 08:35 am
At this level, they’re all talented.
LLCHESTY
August 26, 2022 at 05:57 pm
I really don't think the Bears would have much interest in him. They have a much faster version to return kicks and run gadget plays. I think Getsy would look at Winfree as the best chance to help them get through the next few weeks until they get a couple players back. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see Rodgers in a Bears uni, I just don't think he fits their need right now.
That's not to say other teams wouldn't have an interest in Amari. I'm not completely down on him, I'd be fine with him on the PS and maybe being the 5th or 6th WR next year if a couple of the veterans leave or retire.
dobber
August 27, 2022 at 07:54 am
As I've said: find a way to keep the guys who give you the best chance to win. Cut the rest. Don't look back.
Once you put that old couch down by the curb, why would you care who picks it up?
Oppy
August 26, 2022 at 11:38 pm
Love's arm talent is obvious. He needs play time to pull it all together (or not.).
Play time he will not receive in Green Bay unless Rodgers gets injured.
It is unfortunate, but Green Bay will likely never know what they had (or hadn't) in Love. But some other team will.
It will be sooo fun if Love goes on to be a good starter in the league for another franchise to watch the same people who complained he was a bum to start blasting the Packers for letting Love go if that happens. I'll take hostages.