The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Buccaneers vs Packers

Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Green Bay Packers Week 15 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

 

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Coldworld's picture

December 17, 2023 at 05:43 pm

Ugly: Not having already heard that Barry had been let go.

Good: Wicks. Jones for a drive. Love getting back in some rhythm. The throw to Reed.

The bad. Red zone play calls. Not being willing to seriously try running anyone not called Jones. The OL again outside of Tom and maybe Walker. Another problem left to fester unfixed since this time last year.

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jjbathgate66's picture

December 17, 2023 at 08:12 pm

Easy to say
Good, Kraft, Wicks, Aaron Jones
Bad, rest of the team and coaches. Not showing up for game like this?
Ugly, Mangement for not having the balls to fire Joe Barry, Every week its called adjustments Joe do you know what adjustments mean? MLF your time has come and gone your guys quit on you, JA, Gary, Smith, Savage, Stokes

Every week teams just take it to this team, Tommy Cutlets and now Baker (4 teams) Mayfield really. The Oline is awful no pressure from the dline you had a chance next week the Panthers will have career games.

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Sugarpop's picture

December 18, 2023 at 08:09 am

If iam a opposing QB I want to Play Green Bay.

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mrtundra's picture

December 18, 2023 at 08:44 am

Yep! Opposing OCs are licking their chops, when they get to play GB.

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Norm's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:01 pm

Matt gotta check with HR before firing Barry.

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tobinrote's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:04 pm

good. Wicks yards after the catch
bad. Love missing that 4th down throw in the first possession
ugly. the defense or the no-defense defense.

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21Savage's picture

December 18, 2023 at 07:21 am

The 4th down throw wasn't as bad as the guys in the booth made it out to be. Love threw with anticipation to where Reed was supposed to be, but he stumbled out of the break and didn't make it to the pylon fast enough. It was a timing issue. It wasn't *good* or anything, but stuff like that just happens sometimes when you're trying to cut on Kentucky Bluegrass in December.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:07 pm

If this game does not land Mr. Berry's bags on the curb,,,,, MLF deserves what he gets. And it will just extend fan woes.

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bjkdad44's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:37 pm

Fans need to stay home.. IN DROVES!!!!!

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TKWorldWide's picture

December 18, 2023 at 10:22 am

But you know that’s not going to happen!

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pacman's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:08 pm

Good - we have a very young promising receiver group.
Bad - as Nagler said - you don't even have to say the name so I won't honor him by using it.
Ugly - everyone else in the Packer organization that have let bad coaches stay past when the rest of the world knows they should be fired - until they killed some playoff/SB chance. And that is mostly on MLF, multiple times, so he can go too.

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splitpea1's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:09 pm

Joe Barry a major concern for MLF in the next three weeks? No! I mean, if he hasn't figured this out already, what can you say?

Who exactly is coordinating this defense anyway? I think MLF gives Barry pointers or suggestions, like, "Man, we really gotta stop that run this time, Joe." And Barry obliges with a game plan that either ignores everything else or might have worked for the previous game, but not this one. Baker Mayfield isn't the greatest QB who ever played, but he's a heck of a lot better and more experienced than Devito--so that should have been taken into account. Mayfield is going to eat those soft zones up, and of course, no defender is even going to be in position to make a play.

Can't wait to see what our dynamic duo comes up with against the Panthers.

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:41 pm

Oh yea the Panthers, I didn't think there is anyone left we can beat, but even that is far from a given now. Yuck. I hope they just bring up guys like Ford and let it all fly. Training camp for next year starts now.

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MooPack's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:10 pm

Good: Wicks. He's looking better than Doubs as possession WR.

Bad: Joe Barry's defensive sieve scheme

Ugly: The high probability that MLF will not fire Barry because his hire greatly reflects Matt's abilities as an evaluator of coaching staff. The high probability that MLF will do nothing different with OL personnel because of Matt's inability to evaluate players. The ugly? MLF

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Tundraboy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:44 pm

By being afraid to look like a chicken MLF ends up being just that.

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TKWorldWide's picture

December 18, 2023 at 10:23 am

Ha!
How about “Defensieve” scheme?

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packerbackerjim's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:20 pm

Good: Seeing Jones in action,he was sorely missed.
Bad: Inconsistent OL.
Ugly: the whack-a-mole defense that gets whacked.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

December 17, 2023 at 06:48 pm

Happy to hear Aaron say “ DeVondre Campbell” because I’ve been saying that ever since he returned. I felt he was the biggest weakness on our D the past two weeks.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 17, 2023 at 07:56 pm

defense sucked but without the gift from the Bucs they only scored 13 points , right?? Thats not exactly an offensive juggernaut...

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21Savage's picture

December 18, 2023 at 07:30 am

Pure box score watching is not how I personally like to analyze phases of the game. The offense had to forego 2 chip shot field goals because they were playing from behind all day. If you throw out the 2nd quarter kneeldown with 0:03 left, the offense moved the ball into scoring position on every single drive save for 2 of them. That's pretty darn good.

It's hard for the offense to put up a ton of points when the defense can't get off the field. When you can only force your opponent into one punt and let them control the clock, it severely limits the offense.

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Starrbrite's picture

December 17, 2023 at 08:24 pm

Good:
WR’s and Tucker Kraft;
Ugly:
The camera crew giving us a sideline shot of Todd Bowles every other down—what/who is he—Taylor Swift;
Bad:
Seriously, do I have to say it…
Go Packers!!!

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Jako62's picture

December 18, 2023 at 01:07 pm

It’s part of the NFL diversity program where minority coaches receive more camera time so the NFL can market their presence on the sideline. It’s not just Bowles, you’ll see this with every minority coach.

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stockholder's picture

December 17, 2023 at 08:26 pm

The Good- Several Rookies -
The bad - Packers play-off hopes disappearing.
The ugly- It's obvious many more changes must happen.
When Mlf came here. He had the answers.
After this game; the Defense looks like a maze.
I don't believe the Missing in Action,
are a way to rebuilding a team right.

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BAMABADGER's picture

December 17, 2023 at 08:45 pm

Good: Wicks, Kraft, All young WRs, several IDL
Bad: You know who
Ugly: The guy who created the Green and Gold Disneyland and forgot what the Packers used to be all about - Winning

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Oppy's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:00 pm

Watching Baker Mayfield exploit the MLB's soft zone coverage over the intermediate middle of the field all game long was absolutely fucking painful.

Last time I checked, we had more than two safeties on this team. I would have thought after watching the Bucs exploit Campbell and Walker's deficiencies to effectively defend the underneath of routes and drop the ball just behind them but in front of the over the top coverage down in and down out the entire game, someone might have at least tried replacing one or the other with a 3rd safety to check and see if maybe they'd fare a little better.

While we're talking about safeties, what's Rudy Ford's excuse for slipping all over the field? We're at home, on a surface you're familiar with, and I'm pretty sure Red has keys to the equipment room storage if you need to change your cleats out.

Love's footwork is regressing, and it shows with some poorly thrown balls. Nip that shit it the bud, pronto.

Completely abandoning the run game the second you're down 7 points is not a winning strategy.

Taking an "L" is disappointing considering we've got a peek of what this young team can do when they are firing on all cylinders, but I'm not upset about the loss. What's upsetting is two weeks of regression. A month's worth of taking big steps forward and an opportunity to build upon that platform is slipping away quickly.

Right the ship. Get back to fundamentals on offense. On Defense.. when the opposing offense is exposing your personnel and your scheme down after down- you HAVE to change something.

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Via.Lombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:34 pm

Time to talk DRAFT. Packers aren't even IN THE HUNT -- they are ON THE BUBBLE of elimination. Packers still have a shot at a Top 10 pick, if they just lose. A 9-8 record will not help them in the playoffs or the draft.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:07 pm

There is no way in hell they finish 9-8. I think they are going to lose to Carolina. In fact I think the defense has quit for the season.

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Packers1985's picture

December 17, 2023 at 11:49 pm

I don't think our team will loose to the Panthers. The main challenge i see is at vikings the remaining 2 are easily winnable games.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 20, 2023 at 05:59 pm

JB has not yet begun to lose easily winnable games!

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dblbogey's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:25 pm

I'd hate to lose to the Bears in the final game, or be humiliated at Carolina, and I hate losing to the Vikings. But a top 10 pick would be nice.

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CanPackFan's picture

December 18, 2023 at 12:52 am

The problem in talking about the dra

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mrtundra's picture

December 18, 2023 at 08:50 am

Honestly, I'd settle for a 9-8 record, this year, just because that is one more win that we had with Rodgers, last year. Draft-wise, I think we could lose every game we have left on the schedule and it would not be a surprise, to anyone. Go for the picks or go for the 9-8 record. Whatever. Fixing the defense, is now and has been, job 1.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 20, 2023 at 06:01 pm

I don't want to see any more assets wasted on JB

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aberk's picture

December 17, 2023 at 09:51 pm

Bad: Defense....named Joseph L (for loser) Barry
Good: Wickes is a slippery guy after the catch
Ugly: Love's poor footwork. 3 years and still working on rookie mistakes?

Go Pack Gooooo!

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Oppy's picture

December 18, 2023 at 06:06 am

To be fair, QBs work on footwork their entire careers.
Sloppy footwork is not uncommon, even for veteran QBs.
Rookie mistakes are mental errors. Even the best NFL veterans work on fundamental mechanics their entire careers. 10 year NFL vets still run ladders, drive sleds, etc.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

December 20, 2023 at 06:02 pm

JL10 did not have those footwork problems in TC, he picked up those bad habits under pressure behind a leaky O line.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:01 pm

First, it’s pretty obvious that LeFleur is firing Barry.. he just want to do it to his friend during the season to save the extra embarrassment. His presser seemed to indicate he knows. He defended him, but didn’t.
The good: the receivers group is deep and talented.
The bad: I don’t think MLF will ever be successful. It’s always something. I just don’t think he’s a good head coach. It’s obvious Rodgers/Adams is the reason he’s above .500 in his career
The ugly : the entire atmosphere of the LeFleur era. Weakness, wilting in big spots, predictable failure, unpreparedness, and ( yawn) press conferences that just make the entire organization look stupid.
At what point does this become MLFs fault? After five years of bitter disappointment it’s still someone else’s. Maybe after seven? Ten years?
The really Ugly: I sense 8 wins, and plenty of we were out coached pressers in 2024

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Fubared's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:18 pm

The good, the bucs runner stopped so as to not embarrass the Pack with another touch down.
The bad: lack of an offensive scheme. apparently handing off to a running back in an intoventive play by leflower.
Just like telling your QB, if no one is open just pass off to the outlet. Problemo, when you need 11 for a first down, you need to find someone not pass one yard to a guy who is covered. Nothing is learned doing that except your turning the ball over for not getting a first down.
The Ugly: Its not the pass defense and Barry. Its the fact that this team put together a pass defense with losers from other teams that no one wanted, a first round pick named Stokes who cant tackle, cant cover and isnt smart enough to play NFL football, a one pick in Alexander who has a big mouth and really isnt even an average corner. When Rudy Ford is your best d back your in serious fn trouble going forward with Barry or not.

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SinceLombardi's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:38 pm

I think Barry knows he’s getting fired and MLF knows he isn’t. That’s the only difference. One failure is leaving and the other is going to continue to fail.
When does MLF get fired? After that shiny W-L record Rodgers gifted him falls below 500?

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MitchAnthony's picture

December 17, 2023 at 10:47 pm

Good- Tucker Kraft has learned that jumping over the top and tea-bagging a defender comes with instant painful ramifications. He probably won't do that again. But Tucker Kraft is emerging as a real TE threat the team hasn't had for a long time. Can't wait until Musgrave is well again - as well. These guys will contribute. When Musgrave gets down with tracking a ball in space and can catch on the run - he will be good too, very good. Kraft is already showing he can produce YAC. Tucker Kraft may have broken the ten to twelve year third round curse that has hung over the Packers. That's good. Really good.

Also good- Wicks. Might just be coming into being the number one WR as he seems to be the best possession all around in the WR group.

Bad- Get to work on the footwork Jordan. When he can deliver, he can actually deliver. This game wasn't on the offense, for the most part. But when he is throwing from bad footing it is a crap shoot. I think we can expect a little better from someone with so much practice over the last few years to be throwing from better mechanics in regards to footing.

Ugly- We know. We all know. A lot of first round picks in that unit know as well.

6 points
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T7Steve's picture

December 18, 2023 at 10:57 am

Love completed 75% of his passes. Sure, he checked down and threw allot of short ones, but he took what was given like a good QB should.

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ricky's picture

December 17, 2023 at 11:18 pm

Campbell had a tough day, but it was at least partially because he was expected to cover Godwin and Evans on a regular basis. And when it didn't work? Barry kept running him out there, and he did his best, but it was like running a AMC Hornet in the Indy 500. The results are very predictable. I did like that the Packers WR's were showing up to play, and that Kraft continues to grow as a player. There might also be some concern whether Christian Watson is ever going to be more than a "when healthy" player. He has two more years to prove he can stay on the field, as he watches the other WR's improve with each game.

5 points
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MiddleAgePackDad's picture

December 17, 2023 at 11:43 pm

Tired of all the HC speak about “accountability” relative to players, and then not extending it to coaching staff.
All credibility is lost when you can’t be consistent with message delivery AND follow-through. Demonstrates to the team that it is all talk — nothing more, nothing less. In declaring after last season that it wasn’t even a thought to make a change in defensive leadership, MLF took full ownership of the defensive ineptitude this season. The starting place now is an immediate change in defensive leadership to actually prove that you mean what you say with failure being unacceptable. And then, if with change on the defensive side of the ball next year, regression continues…further change will be needed, this time, at the top.

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CanPackFan's picture

December 18, 2023 at 01:08 am

Good - young receivers
Bad - LaFleur
Ugly - Good old Joe

I am sick of the same old LaFleur excuses and explanations week after week. He and Barry are just dreadful in their jobs - Barry because he is a disasterous as a DC and LaFleur because he is so weak and won't fire him!

I can't blame Alexander if he won't play for the dynamic duo!

After seeing the game again - just like LaFleur - I want to change a previous comment I made about solely about Barry. I would change it to

FIRE BARRY AND LAFLEUR!

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croatpackfan's picture

December 18, 2023 at 03:50 am

Good: Reed, Wicks, Kraft, Clark, Slaton and Jordan (not excellent - good!)

Bad: Complete coaching staff

Ugly: Mark WANI Murphy who is the only responsible for this mess. He hired weak MLF for HC and make him egal to GM. And he get reports every 2 weeks. He is the only ugly in that situation!

Honorable mention: I do not think Jaire is injured - I believe Jaire do not want to play for Joe "rotten" B(a)erry!

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lkcsmith's picture

December 18, 2023 at 05:58 am

One word: EmBARRYsing!

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mrtundra's picture

December 18, 2023 at 08:55 am

Good: Kraft, Reed, Wicks, Love.
Bad: The attitude on Defense. Amazed more players on our Defense aren't more vocal. Not targeting Melton downfield.
Ugly: The Defense under Barry.

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