The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Bears vs Packers
Aaron hands out the Good, the Bad and the Ugly from the Green Bay Packers beatdown of the Chicago Bears.
By PackerAaron
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Thegreatreynoldo
November 30, 2020 at 02:06 am
I was wondering about The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.
The Good: the offensive line. No QB hits on AR, and opened holes. Runyan was better.
The Bad: Not too much, but perhaps the prevent defense and King's inability to catch the ball when it is right there for the interception.
The Ugly: Kirksey. Rough game in space on the edges. Perfect recognition and great position on the interference call in the endzone but still gets the PI. Ticky tack but that has to be a game changing play. So so in the run. This play is bizarre and I don't blame Kirksey for the 57 yards run by Montgomery since it looks like Kirksey has to respect Trubs keeping it and rolling outside. Looks like maybe Martin shouldn't flow with the blocking but stay put to cover the A gap. Maybe Clark who is single blocked by Whitehair is supposed to shut down both A gaps. I'll let someone with Xs and Os knowledge explain this weird defense (thanks to Omar Reborn finding and posting this tweet):
https://twitter.com/FourVerts/status/1333257423889555456?ref_src=twsrc%5...
DragonSilk
November 30, 2020 at 05:32 am
Kirksey was in great position, but wrapped his left arm around the receiver and turned him just a bit. That's PI and was the right call.
The 57 yard run was definitely the Ugly. Don't know what caused it either, but that can't happen.
jhalwas611.com
November 30, 2020 at 08:02 am
If Kirksey's play isn't the overall problem, then the coaching and scheme that puts him on the field as the best option is. They can't coach someone up to play better that that!
Coldworld
November 30, 2020 at 08:29 am
The hard thing is getting in the right position. In my view he isn’t trusting himself. Could be he will start to and that will make a big difference. Not sure that’s coaching primarily.
jhalwas611.com
November 30, 2020 at 08:52 am
Coaching is supposed to put players in position to make plays.
Coldworld
November 30, 2020 at 09:25 am
Which he was doing more often than not, hence the speculation that it might be hesitation more than coaching.
Thegravedigger
November 30, 2020 at 08:45 pm
I see hesitation from him a bit as well. Hopefully his confidence will grow because we are going to need every man on deck.
murf7777
November 30, 2020 at 06:52 am
On the Kirksey lack of tackle on the big run. I thought it was his fault but as you said he might’ve had the other responsiblity to watch Trub. That said, he didn’t show much lateral quickness to even get an arm on Montgomery. He seemed like he was stuck in the mud. I’ll have to watch it again. Not impressed with his overall play thou.
Fortunately, Martin didn’t get hurt on the ST play. I wonder if he won’t take over the starting role over Kirksey by year end.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 30, 2020 at 07:53 am
Kirksey certainly takes a bad angle trying to close the A gap. But then, so did Martin. You can click on the tweet below the first photograph and that tweet will show a video of the play.
I'm wondering about Kirksey as well. Could be Barnes though he wasn't playing real well either. We shall see.
Thegravedigger
November 30, 2020 at 08:51 pm
On the very next play he did fly in and make a tackle in the backfield, which led to 3 points instead of 7 2 plays later. But yeah the 57 yrd run was not his finest moment. Kenny clark looked like he took the play off on that one. The clark i know hiptosses that blocker. Hope he doesnt become a cletidus hunt. Get paid and get lazy. I know im probably out of line wit that comment but im just ready for him to wreck the game and he hasnt.
Leatherhead
December 01, 2020 at 09:09 am
Agree with your assessment on that play. Kirksey had to respect the receiver swinging out. Martin broke left and took himself out of the play.
I’d like to know what Savage was doing. It looks like he took himself out of the play for no reason.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2020 at 10:09 am
Kirksey has to make that stop. His read is the RB.
Leatherhead
December 01, 2020 at 09:10 am
Then who is covering the guy on the swing route? Nobody.
packerbackerjim
November 30, 2020 at 05:25 am
It as good to see ESB continue to make plays.
Kirksey’s play is bad but may improve to mediocre.
Ugly is the Bear’s resolve. Didn’t live up to being a credible rival.
Coldworld
November 30, 2020 at 09:26 am
To me the Bears are just reaping what they sowed. Their roster is farcical and that game plan coming off a bye was risible. 3 to one passing against this D with Trubisky. The move to get him, piling money into Mack, the contract given to Graham. The loss of Cohen really hurts but Montgomery is still a good RB and the rest of the O is Robinson, who may run for the hills after this season (he would be wise to). This starts in the FO but Nagy looks lost and the decision to hand over play calling looks like another failed desperation gambit. I hope the Bears stick with their leaders, but I can’t believe that they will.
Leatherhead
December 01, 2020 at 09:15 am
The Bears front office does the things the posters here want our team to do. Trade for guys like Cutler. Trade up for Trubisky. Trade for Mack. Let jags like Amos leave in FA. Win with defense and special teams.
I like our approach better.
jannesbjornson
November 30, 2020 at 10:12 am
EQ is very smooth in his movement with fast acceleration after the catch. He will be pushing Lazard for the two spot down the road.
Leatherhead
December 01, 2020 at 09:16 am
At this point, he’s our #4. Let’s see if he can stay on the field.
HankScorpio
November 30, 2020 at 05:57 am
Trying to be positive after that game: Maybe Pettine was playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. If his strategy was to give the Bears some hope that Pace/Nagy/Trubisky can be part of a successful NFL franchise, it was brilliant to have the defense roll over in the 4th. making a thorough and complete beat down appear to be like a semi-close game. Those 3 in Chicago is great news for the Packers.
Is anyone buying that theory? I hope ML isn't.
murf7777
November 30, 2020 at 06:54 am
Good laugh for my morning reading.....if it works, what a great strategy.
mbpacker
November 30, 2020 at 06:11 am
The Good: An important win against a division Bear opponent, Alexander, Savage, Preston, Clark, offensive beat down. Offense humming for most of the game. The fan sign that said deep dish pizza is overrated.
The Bad: Run defense and poor tackling at times. Let Montgomery run over us at times.
The Ugly: Just can't stop the 3rd and long . The panoramic view of vastly empty Lambeau Field- football needs our fans back. We need our Cheeseheads filing up the place and the sights and smells of tail-gating. Mitch's mustache. Amen!
Spock
November 30, 2020 at 09:20 am
Mitch's mustache, lol. I said to my wife it looked like a bad porn star's mustache. Not only is Rodgers a (much) better QB, but has better facial hair, too. :)
mbpacker
November 30, 2020 at 11:42 am
Yeah, Mitch's mustache looks like someone penciled it in. Looks like those thin mustaches that actors wore in the 1930-40's.
dobber
December 01, 2020 at 09:36 am
He's a good kid, just not good at football. He'll be a backup in this league for many years.
Thegravedigger
November 30, 2020 at 08:54 pm
Sullivan got beat alot by mooney. Some in garbage time, some in not. Hes not built for true slot wrs. Quick small slashy guys like mooney get sullivan to turn his hips. Hopefully he picks his game up.
murf7777
November 30, 2020 at 07:06 am
The good....it was really great to see the Packers out physical a physical D team. That hasn’t happen very often lately and bodes well for the future if they can run the ball like last night. Oh my, Jenkins is a stud.
gkarl
November 30, 2020 at 07:37 am
"Oh my, Jenkins is a stud."
What bonehead drafted him?? :)
bjkdad44
November 30, 2020 at 07:44 am
What’s with the stupid windoze ads?
NitschkeFan
November 30, 2020 at 08:04 am
The Ugly: Injuries.
Linsley leaves 2nd game in a row. I know Jenkins can play center but that weakens us at LG and Linsley has been playing at a Pro Bowl level this year.
Savage, playing better and then getting injured. That sucks.
Really Ugly: The Bears. I hadn't seen them since early in the season. Boy they stink. We knew they have no QB, but what about the "top 10 D". OK they were missing Hicks (which was only mentioned on the broadcast 50 times!) but what about all those other fearsome defenders? Roquan Smith, Trevathan, Fuller, Mack were not impressive.
dobber
November 30, 2020 at 08:14 am
Absolutely shocked by how little fire the Bears showed from the get-go, especially on defense. Hicks is the soul of that defense, but coming off a bye and mostly healthy, I was expecting more of a dogfight than this. The Packers rolled these guys from the start.
The Bears looked like a broken team. Sports radio Chicago must be really entertaining for a Packers fan this morning...
Coldworld
November 30, 2020 at 09:30 am
Matt Patricia needed to go, it was painfully obvious. That said, luck made him the first to fall. Nagy looks just as lost but Pace looks to be equally at fault. Let’s hope the Bears keep them.
Lphill
November 30, 2020 at 08:06 am
Many good , the bad Kings catching abilities, the ugly , Pettine using one inside linebacker and flooding the field with defensive backs , and still Trubiskey was finding open targets. Next week Pettine will kick start Carson Weintz 's career .
Thegravedigger
November 30, 2020 at 08:57 pm
Yeah it might. But as a running back. Cus thats all he does now is stick his head down and run. Hes too mentally effed up to turn it around as a qb right now.
4thand1
November 30, 2020 at 09:05 am
Good , Packers offense.
Bad, to many critics in a blow out win.
Ugly, bearsstillsuck. People whining about empty stadiums. My wife is an ICU nurse, a lot of you have no fucking idea.
mrtundra
November 30, 2020 at 09:08 am
The Good: The versatility of our O Line! Again, Jenkins had to play at C, as Linsley got injured. Runyan got some quality time at LT, again and looked really good there. Did anyone get to ARod last night? Savage and Preston both showed up and accounted for 3 turnovers! Preston almost had a second fumble recovery, as well.
The Bad: Our soft defense. It seemed the Bears could move the chains, at will, against us, until Trubiscuit turned the ball over to us.
The Ugly: The Bears, in general.
Cheesey51
November 30, 2020 at 09:20 am
The good: Packers young WR's gotta love the athleticism of ESB and Lizzard
The bad:prevent /soft defense.Why let the Bears run and Mitchnget in a rhythm and looking to score at will
The Ugly: Kirskseys coverage on the Bears TE TD
greengold
November 30, 2020 at 10:07 am
The Good:
1. Elgton Jenkins and our entire OL.
2. EQ coming through
3. Big Catch Bob
4. Solid balance run/pass
5. Darnell Savage getting off the Schneid for 2 INTs
6. Preston Smith bringing heat/solid play
7. Rashan Gary with another solid performance
8. Packers getting away with 2 facemasks on one play.
9. Aaron Jones & Jamaal Williams consummate pros
10. No Hicks and Kenny Clark playing lights out - amazing the difference one player can make to a defense
11. Packers 1st to 100 Wins in series vs. CHI all-time
The Bad: Run D up the middle. It CAN’T be all on Clark. The Packers need other players to step up.
The Ugly: Putting Aaron Rodgers out there in Q4.
murf7777
November 30, 2020 at 10:42 am
Couple of comments:
Preston gets credit for the FR and TD, but in reality he came late to the party and fortunately gathered the ball. It was more about Gary and Z. Preston did have a good game overall thou.
I watched the big play multiple times. I’m not an X n O guy, but on the long run we had Kirksey(who shows average athletic ability) outside the right hash or box and Martin and Greene on and outside the left hash. There was a hugh hole in the middle. Making it worse upon the play starting both Martin and Greene move to the left leaving a bigger gap while Kirksey holds his ground and is slow to react and showed a lack of quick twitch, lateral movement ability. I would think some of that also falls onto Coaching! I see why PFF has Kirksey rated as average at best.
Since'61
November 30, 2020 at 10:03 am
The Good: Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones, J. Williams, D. Adams, E. Jenkins, rest of the OL, both Smiths, R. Gary, Savage, Alexander, forcing 3 turnovers, defense until the 4th quarter.
The Bad: Allowing 57 yard run for Montgomery, Soft D in the 4th quarter.
The Ugly: King’s dropped pick in the end zone.
The Packers pretty much blew the Bears out for 3 quarters.
The defense finally played with some aggression and the offense clicked for most of the game. Hopefully the Packers will continue to come to play for the remainder of the season. Still some areas for improvement on the defense but they they won the LOS for most of the game.
Thanks, Since ‘61
TheKanataThrilla
November 30, 2020 at 11:15 am
The Good: I am going to go with Preston Smith. Not sure if he has finally played himself into game shape or starting Gary lit a fire in his ass, but that was by far his best game of the season.
The Bad: Tackling, the long run at the beginning was just awful, but I swear when we were tackling people we were throwing them forward for even more yards. I think twice our defenders threw the Bear player for a first down. Greene also had a rough night with bad angles.
The Ugly: This quote which didn't age very well “Nothing against the #Packers, I had a great season with them last year, going to the playoffs. But this team, all they care about is winning, all they care about is that Super Bowl.” - Jimmy Graham
rstain99
November 30, 2020 at 12:51 pm
I think you see next years O line out there, Linsley pretty much just injured himself out of the starting line up, due for big new contract, newsflash that will be somewhere else. Jenkins will be center next year much lower rate, so they can bring in another experiment at MLB. Kirksey not the answer. Kamal Martin if he can somehow not be injured at least every other set of downs.
King gone as well, another rather soft player lets nagging injuries bother him. Another D Tackle is needed, lots going to be around in FA, then change DC just too passive, 6 yard cushion by CB's is a killer.
Good- Jenkins
Bad- overall defense can't get off field 3 rd down
ugly- Pettine get him glasses, teams are going to gash them soon on the run. Lousy tackling
dobber
November 30, 2020 at 12:59 pm
These injuries to Linsley have to potential to really derail the Packers' shot at getting a good comp pick for him. If he plays a mostly healthy 2020, he gets a significant contract from someone, and the Packers get a high comp. Now it's starting to look like he's in line for a one-year deal or for a low guarantees deal.
TheKanataThrilla
November 30, 2020 at 02:19 pm
If the market for him drops I am wondering if this means we actually might sign him. Why not the team to give him a prove it deal be us? We have lots of cap juggling to do, but you can never have enough talented O-linemen on your team.
dobber
December 01, 2020 at 09:34 am
It sure seems to me that the Packers drafted in 2020 to prep for his departure. If they have a plan, and they have players that make it a good one, stay the course.
Besides, if he's got ongoing back issues, that's a bad situation for OL or DL.
Fubared
November 30, 2020 at 08:22 pm
The Good: we faced Tubiski as QB, whew!
The Bad:, injuries to guys who just came back off injuries
The Ugly :and for the 8th week in a row Pettines defense.
Another one and done in the playoffs.
Leatherhead
December 01, 2020 at 09:20 am
I want to mention Greene did an excellent job breaking up a TD pass after the long run. He really got inside the guys jersey and fought like hell.