Stop saying the Packers haven't done enough for Rodgers

Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers have come up short in their quest for a second championship with Rodgers under center, but stop saying the team hasn't done enough to support their franchise signal caller.

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Lphill's picture

March 28, 2021 at 08:41 pm

They haven't , he's Been carrying the team since the last time they had a defense when they won the Super Bowl .

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Oppy's picture

March 28, 2021 at 09:00 pm

Whole lotta green in the Green Bay row.

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ghostdog1108's picture

March 28, 2021 at 08:45 pm

Bravo! Absolutely agree!

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jhtobias's picture

March 28, 2021 at 09:29 pm

Sorry Boss but your wrong . Defense came up with back to back turnovers in the 4th quarter against Tampa the offense came up short this time.

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Crankbait's picture

March 30, 2021 at 09:30 am

They stunk in the first half though. Football is 4 quarters.

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iciice's picture

March 28, 2021 at 09:54 pm

I'd agree over the past couple of years (although our first round pick last year is still a head scratcher). The problem is the Packers should have realized the marriage of Rodgers and McCarthy had run it's course years ago. McCarthy wasn't a horrible coach but he consistently tried to put square pegs in round holes, not adjusting to his personnel enough and relying on Rodgers to make plays vs designing plays to get people open. Combine that with keeping Capers way too long (who did the same thing on defense as McCarthy did on offense) and Thompson not getting the extra players in free agency needed to make the push from good to great and we cost ourselves the chance at a number of Super Bowls. I would have been fine with a couple of 8-8 type or worse rebuilding seasons if it had meant additional Super Bowl shots.

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calabasa's picture

March 28, 2021 at 11:34 pm

I assume there were at least two years around 2015 when TT was losing his grip and the boat had no captain, until he retired. But I may be wrong.

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CoachDino's picture

March 28, 2021 at 09:59 pm

Nags - Spittin truth
I was already to question the AJones Top Back (Though I think he is a top 5 RB/Weapon) until you blasted me with the facts (2nd to Jim Brown) One doesn;t have to take that literally to realize it is a very powerful data grouping that should sway the needle of opinion....

Damn Boy - - You've been like Butter - Your on a Roll...lol There's some Dairy State Humor for you.

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cms's picture

March 28, 2021 at 10:15 pm

No! The narrative for Gute has already been written. He made the selection of Love and is tied to that. He has no vision for this team with Rodgers.

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PF4L's picture

March 28, 2021 at 10:22 pm

"Stop saying the Packers haven't done enough for Rodgers....it makes me sad and sometimes angry!!"

Excuse me, it isn't about Rodgers, it's about the team!!
...have they done enough to help the team win now?
If your answer is yes.....we all know you are lying, and you (like our GM) don't prioritize trying to win now.

It's not just about adding a receiver, it's not just about adding talent and depth at corner, it isn't just about adding Def. lineman, it isn't just about adding a solid ilb.

It's about helping the team, improving the team.
It's about at the very least....trying

It's about prioritizing current team needs to help get you to a SB, instead of trying to set the team up years down the road after giving your QB a mega contract.

It's about adding some talent on the field who can contribute.

Sincerely....

The voice of reason.

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Stroh's picture

March 28, 2021 at 11:39 pm

Yeah they haven't been trying at all while winning 26 games the past 2 yrs! Kinda hard to do more especially with being as cap strapped as the Packers the past 2 seasons!

God I hate stupidity!!

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PF4L's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:36 am

Yea....i'm not very bright Stroh. I pretty much just make things up as i go.

But i add enough detail to fool everyone in thinking i know what i'm talking about.

But you exposed me. I couldn't fool you and you called me out as being stupid.

Kudos to you my friend. You are far to intelligent to match up against, at least for me.
All you had to say was 26 games....and i knew i was out of my league.
I also learned from you we were "cap strapped" during those 26 games.
I pray to be blessed with and achieve your football acumen someday...God willing.

So in turn, i humbly add a 7th thumbs up to your comment.

Mental superiority should be rewarded.

I just thank God people like you are around, giving me the blessing of coming in here and "learning".

Words....can't thank you enough.

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justjan's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:15 am

Correct. You aren't very bright.

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TarynsEyes's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:19 am

What Stroh constantly forgets, on purpose I assume, is that the FO does try to make the Packers a guaranteed regular season winner, but refuses to acknowledge the very first words and thought about the team come playoff time, we haven't done enough to compete against those who succeeded in getting ready for the playoffs. Yes the Packers got to two NFCCGs more by having to win one game against the lowest rated remaining, but coming up very short and unable to out-play or out-coach the one they needed to defeat. We are now attempting to repeat for the third time with the same inadequate roster, and where we will all once again speak and think, we haven't got enough to win.

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Demon's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:49 am

At one time, before the internet of course, people used to be able to have different points of view and have a discussion. Now, if someone doesnt agree with you they must be stupid and are called such. There are entirely too many keyboard warriors on this site. The owners/moderators need to weed shit like this out

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Coldworld's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:07 am

Or we can just develop another facet of former reality, a thick enough skin to take it and an acceptance that if you throw stones they may come back. Just live with that and discussion becomes freer and more interesting.

I do agree, calling people dumb, stupid or homers is largely pointless, but how much credence does it remove from the poster’s point when one reads that? To me it tends to indicate an absence of valid argument on the part of the instigator.

Either way it’s funny in a sense, since we are all a bunch of armchair GMs and coaches who have little real information as to what is going on and would never be hired for our expertise. Let’s face it, we post here because we love the Packers and football and to amuse ourselves while gaining an insight into how others see things.

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Coldworld's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:07 am

Or we can just develop another facet of former reality, a thick enough skin to take it and an acceptance that if you throw stones they may come back. Just live with that and discussion becomes freer and more interesting.

I do agree, calling people dumb, stupid or homers is largely pointless, but how much credence does it remove from the poster’s point when one reads that? To me it tends to indicate an absence of valid argument on the part of the instigator.

Either way it’s funny in a sense, since we are all a bunch of armchair GMs and coaches who have little real information as to what is going on and would never be hired for our expertise. Let’s face it, we post here because we love the Packers and football and to amuse ourselves while gaining an insight into how others see things.

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Crankbait's picture

March 29, 2021 at 07:07 am

The Packers organization has refused to go "all in" to get Rogers and the fans another Super Bowl and that is a fact.
Our defense has been either good, mediocre, or incompetent since 2010 and this is from coaching, management and bad drafting combined as well as ignoring free agents. Rogers is also not cooperating at times to restructure his contract in order to sign free agents or make trades.

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porupack's picture

March 29, 2021 at 02:34 pm

Essentially you aren't saying anything. You say, its not about.....blah blah blah, and someone's lying. Then,
1) its about helping the team and
2) adding talent.

Well, its quite the subjective voice, if we could even say there is any reason at all to your post. We can say they helped the team and they added some talent who can contribute.

So how does that help the discussion, IDK....

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PhantomII's picture

March 29, 2021 at 12:06 am

Without a DL next to Clark, a #2 CB and a #2 WR we will continue to struggle with elite teams. With 10 draft picks giving 3 upgrades does not seem like a colossal problem to overcome.

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Dragon5's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:22 am

Warned to avoid him months ago...GOAT in an OX year = likely FAIL

Lots of WRs with return skills in the draft (D'Wayne Eskridge)

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albert999's picture

March 28, 2021 at 10:59 pm

Patterson to the Packers? Check out link above

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Coldworld's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:12 am

Although he’s not a typical option type, he’d be a good one, a significant upgrade there and, obviously, at returner. He has also been more physically robust.

He’s good with the ball in his hands. It’s getting it there that’s been his teams’ problem. Not sure we actually have cap room, but I’d be all for it as a significant upgrade.

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BuckyBadger's picture

March 28, 2021 at 11:20 pm

I take it being a Packer cheerleader is paying better than true journalism?

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Stroh's picture

March 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm

This site doesn't have journalists, its a bunch of fans, some of which don't know much, writing about their favorite team.

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PF4L's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:39 am

Don't be so hard on yourself.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 29, 2021 at 07:35 pm

Yet you keep showing up here. Maybe cuz it's free?

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Crankbait's picture

March 30, 2021 at 09:34 am

True journalist? Oxymoron.

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BJP's picture

March 29, 2021 at 01:27 am

Before last season Packers fans were wondering if Green Bay could repeat its 13-3 record and whether the Packers would be as good as the previous season. Too many one-score games won. Reversion to the mean. But the Packers won and won and won. And hopes rose. And suddenly there was a glimmer of hope for the Super Bowl. And Packers fans forgot about their previous doubts. Now those same fans expect a Super Bowl. From this very same team they doubted only a year ago. Go figure.

Also for all the hoopla, this year‘s crop of free agents isn’t all that good.

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porupack's picture

March 29, 2021 at 02:36 pm

classy post MJP! Well done!

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 29, 2021 at 12:59 am

How much is enough. They gave Favre the number one defense in the league in 1997 when he was our HOF quarterback and the Packers won the Super Bowl and we even had a kick returner (Desmond Howard) as our MVP of the game.

Rodgers hasn't had a sniff of a defensive line like Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, and Gabe Wilkins. It's not for me to say that the Packers didn't do enough for Rodgers, but comparing the defensive help that was provided for our other HOF quarterback the facts tend to say otherwise.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 29, 2021 at 08:42 am

Every Super Bowl the Packers have won featured a HOF QB in his prime and a top defense.

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PF4L's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:59 am

Ferrari-Driver

In 2010 the Packers had Pickett, Raji, Howard Green, and Cullen Jenkins. Won the SB

In 2011 the Packers (Ted) didn't want to pay Jenkins and let him go.

The 2010 defense ranked 5th, the 2011 defense was ranked 32nd.
Meanwhile...the 2011 offense was one of the most prolific in NFL history.
Guiding the Packers to a 15-1 record. One and done in playoffs

Who knows what...if we kept Jenkins.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 29, 2021 at 11:53 am

"Who knows what...if we kept Jenkins."

Certainly agree that Jenkins departure was premature and he played well for the Eagles after the Packers let him go. I agree that he would have been an asset for at least one or perhaps a couple of more years, barring an injury.

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PF4L's picture

March 29, 2021 at 04:51 pm

Yea...usually teams don't drop 27 spots, in one season. He might have been a big reason for it.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:53 pm

To be fair the Packers not only lost Jenkins to FA, they also lost Nick Collins to a career ending injury early in the season.

Tramon Williams suffered a nerve injury to his shoulder and Nick Barnett was released due to his 2010 season ending injury. That’s 4 defensive starters lost.

Yes, the loss of Jenkins hurt but his loss was one of many that caused the decline in the Packers defense. In 2012 Woodson left in FA. Bottom line the defense has yet to recover from the loss of talent during the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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PF4L's picture

March 29, 2021 at 11:12 pm

Nick Collins was a big loss, not just that season, but his career.
He was arguably playing himself right into the HOF.

T Willy missed 1 game, but otherwise played the full season.

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Crankbait's picture

March 30, 2021 at 09:38 am

Thanks for re-opening that wound.
It was the start of a decade long stagnation of our defense and special teams..... still exists today in my opinion.
Rogers has just been incredible.

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PF4L's picture

March 30, 2021 at 11:59 am

You got that right Crank....

It was the beginning of the end for the defense, and Capers.

Capers was outstanding in 2009, 2010 but lost his touch after that.

Luckily, for him, he wasn't held accountable until 2017.
I call those years "The do nothing" years.

Capers had 12 jobs in the NFL, outside of Green Bay, 3 years is the longest he held a job.
In Green Bay....9 years

Nobody was held accountable under Ted, Murphy or McCarthy.
Everybody eats...no matter what.

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Fabio's picture

March 29, 2021 at 02:33 am

Hello to all
I will probably say something that not everyone will like, but this is a place for discussion so ..... I just hope it can open a reflection.
I have often heard of Brady being paid less to get more players while Rodgers, with his salary, is blocking the arrival of quality FA .....
Then let's go and see.
I think it is right therefore to compare the impact of the salary by the ceiling.
So ...... Brady is about 7 years older than Rodgers.
If we take as a reference 7 years ago, Brady earned 25ML on a 133ML team cap (incidence about 19%) at the same age today Rodgers occupies 20%. This is about the same for every year in comparison. Then??
I also expect that from the next contract onwards Rodgers will earn significantly lower figures than today because I do not think that over 40 you can objectively ask for more than what Brady is asking now.
And if the comparison must necessarily be with Brady, then every Q in the NFL is overpaid compared to him !!!!
The difference, as with all things and also for the current season, is always HOW YOU SPEND YOUR MONEY !!!
I will probably be wrong, but even this season when we come to take stock we will see that in reality we will have spent a lot of money ..... but for whom?
Bakt.
Clark
P. Smith.
AJ.
Big Dog
KK
Well, of these I think the first two are not questionable.
As for the 3rd, 4th and 5th (while loving them as players and recognizing their important role in the locker room) they could be let go and we could have at least one CB and another (you choose) of absolute level equal to impact on the cap.
These are choices !!!
I do not comment KK because I find it absurd regardless .....
Then I make another consideration .....
If you want to build a team that can regularly score more than 30 points per game (Yes I said 30 and I'll explain it better soon !!) then you have to do something different than what we have
Even though we were the highest scoring team, that doesn't mean we were the best offense !!
In fact, until we played games where we commanded the score (and the stopwatch !!!!) everything went well, but every time we found ourselves having to recover the score we fell (Tampa 2 times, MIN, IND .. ..) this is because we have a good game system, but we don't have a great offensive talent (as opposed to Tampa)
And if we don't have a great offensive talent we MUST have an elite D, even more so when your Q is getting old !!!!!
Then there is the great dilemma of the LOVE editorial staff. I do not criticize the possibility of choice by Gute (the future of the Team is always the most important thing in spite of everything), I criticize the moment in which it was done (I think that AR has at least another 4 good years to give if not more - see Brady)
LOVE's choice prevents us from having a WR2 this season that could have been a starter (maybe it could help last season too) and would not have made AJ's re-signing fundamental and, in addition to this year's possible draft choice, could have allowed the next season to rebuild the receiving body as well (let Adams walk to free up space ???)
Finally, let's ask ourselves: what has been the biggest problem of the last 10 years ???
Always and only D
What was done to remedy ?? NOTHING critical issues have always been allowed to pass.
I think it's time (but it has been for a while!) To build a team that wins as a result of the few points that the D allows and not based on the points it scores.
I embrace you all
Greetings from Italy
Go Pack Go

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Coldworld's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:15 am

Brady has made a great deal of money over his career and has not sacrificed much if you look at his earnings. He has been willing to be flexible perhaps, to a limited degree, but he is by far the lower earner in his marriage, so I guess he is somewhat unique and, in fact, could have done a lot more. Mostly a myth I am afraid.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 29, 2021 at 07:46 pm

Just a crazy thought....maybe put a word limit on posts?

These War and Peace comments are a bit much. I know....don't read them then. But I try, then I get to the 4th or 5th paragraph and I just give up.

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Fabio's picture

March 30, 2021 at 07:47 am

Excuse me '13Time (smile)
I summarize in a few words .....
Elite defense versus elite defense whoever has Q HOF wins .....
I greet you cordially and I promise that the next time I will be shorter

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:10 pm

Excellent post Fabio and I agree. Our offense has been consistently good to great with AR at QB. Our defense has never been as equally good as our offense since 2010.

Our special teams have also been poor for most of the last decade.

Bottom line is that we have been an average to good team with an HOF QB. Put Rodgers on the Pats and he has the 6 rings. Put Rodgers on the Holmgren Packers and he has 2-3 rings. Put Rodgers on the Lombardi Packers and they probably never lose a game after the 1959 season. That’s how good he is. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Turophile's picture

March 29, 2021 at 03:57 am

The biggest failure (imo) is keeping McCarthy for as long as they did. Rodgers quality was regularly able to overcome the limitations of McCarthy's system in the regular season, to get the Packers into postseason play almost routinely..............but mostly not through the playoffs to the SB. If the offense had been more dominant, it would have made things easier for the D.

As for that D, I think that Capers needed specific types of players to make his D work and failed to make adjustments to get the best out of those he did have.

That's about it

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marpag1's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:43 am

I think it's mostly fueled by national media fools like Skip and Stephen A, who either don't know what they're talking about or who are just trying to peddle clickbait. And a lot of Packer fans buy into it.

Recently I had the misfortune of listening to Stephen A. Smith scream and rant that Aaron Rodgers "never had the weapons that Brett Favre had" - which is a painfully stupid comment on its face. The only "support" he gave to this baseless claim is that Favre had Sterling Sharpe, and that Tavon Austin was the only 1st round receiver Rodgers had ever thrown to. Both arguments are god-awful stupid.

First, Sharpe played only three years with Favre, and Favre was in GB for 16 years. And Favre never won a championship with Sharpe anyway. But who did Favre have other than 3 years of Sharpe? Driver split his time between Favre and Arod, so that's a wash. Of the top 15 receivers (according to yardage) in Packers history, Favre had Freeman (7th), and Brooks (15th). ARod has had Nelson (5th), Adams (8th), Jennings (9th), Cobb (12th) and Jones (14th). So um... yeah. Advantage ARod.

And are we really saying that ARod is somehow handicapped because the Packers have been super damn good at drafting receivers in the mid-rounds? And doesn't Tavon Austin actually show that drafting first round receivers might not be quite the cure-all that Shoutin' Stevie Smith believes it to be?

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PhantomII's picture

March 29, 2021 at 01:30 pm

This is not pro Steven A or anything, but a first round WR is suppose to be a polished route runner who is more ready to start in the NFL right out of the gate. That's the way I view them and what separates them by which round the draft boards view them by their skills and abilities, what they have shown on film and their upside. What a 1-round WR would do for GB as of now is mainly start sooner instead of taking 2-3 years to develop their skills. Since Adams is the only elite WR in GB, a first rounder should take over the vacant #2 WR spot immediately.

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porupack's picture

March 29, 2021 at 02:40 pm

great post marpag!

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oceanstrength's picture

March 29, 2021 at 05:58 am

Maybe Rodgers hasn't done enough for the team..? unless of course two straight years of 13-3 and a berth in the two NFC championship games is all about an incompetent president and gm, lousy coaching, bad free agent acquisitions, no draft help, not enough pro bowl players, and resigning your second best player,
You spoiled, whining, economically blind, perspective lacking fools! If Rodgers wants help, maybe he should consider paying for it himself; like Brady has done his whole career. Maybe those who want to be in conversation with the GOAT need to ask themselves 'what would Tom do".
Rodgers has had at least four legitimate chances to get to the SB since 2010. But somehow its always someone else's fault. LOL.

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Fabio's picture

March 29, 2021 at 06:26 am

So just wait for Rodgers to renegotiate the contract, take the same money Brady does now, and then we can acquire as many players as we want ..... perfect we still have 8 bright years ahead of us (brady is 7 years older)
I still remember Brady, during his career, (excluding the post 40 years) influenced his team cap in about the same way that AR does now .... and let's not confuse extensions with compensation reduction !!! If we want, Gute can also extend Rodgers and find over 15 ML of Cap for FA purchases !!

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Crankbait's picture

March 31, 2021 at 07:04 am

It is the coaching and organizations fault, not Rogers.
Packers defense and special teams since 2010 have been mediocre, pathetic, embarrassing, and good every now and then.
Never championship level like it's offense .

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Fabio's picture

March 29, 2021 at 06:28 am

When it comes to helping Rodgers you don't necessarily have to talk about offensive aids ...... it was enough that a top 10 D was built, which happened on one occasion .... SB !!!! Will it be a coincidence ????

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Coldworld's picture

March 29, 2021 at 10:20 am

Very very hard to have a top O and a top D simultaneously in the cap era. In fact that’s part of the idea of the cap, which is likely to destroy that roster fast if you do. The exception is where elite QB play appears from a first contract QB. Brief window, it is true.

That’s not to defend what happened to our roster after TT became ill, but it does explain a lot about before and after in part.

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Yousbabtle's picture

March 29, 2021 at 06:41 am

Good post!

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stockholder's picture

March 29, 2021 at 07:11 am

The packers haven't done enough to win. Only compete. End of discussion.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2021 at 11:10 am

If the Packers have done enough to help Rodgers win then why has the defense allowed an average of 35+ points in their playoff losses.

This is a perfect example developed by the media since the Joe Montana era that the QB and only the Qb is responsible for winning games and SBs. Th is philosophy is madness to expect that any QB is supposed to be able to score over 35 points per game or it's his fault that his team lost. Or that the QB is supposed to prevent himself for being sacked or for catching the passes that he throws.

Good QB play is a requirement to win in this era of the NFL but not the only requirement. Teams still need solid OL play, WRs who catch the ball and a defense that can make stops at critical points in a game. They also need excellent preparation and good coaching decisions during the game.

As I've said before, if the rest of the players played as well as Rodgers we would be undefeated SB champs. However, we have nowhere close to saying that about any player on the Packers since Woodson left in 2012. End of story. Thanks, Since '61

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

March 29, 2021 at 11:47 am

In other words "It's a team effort".
I liked your summary; certainly worth a thumbs up!

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2021 at 12:32 pm

I appreciate your comment Ferraro-Driver.
There are 2 key factors at work for fans of this watching QB play and/or defensive play.

For at least 2 generations of Packers fans all they have heard from the media air heads is that QBs win games and SBs. This is supported by the facts that QBs are usually chosen as league and SB MVPs. And that is NFL wide and does not apply only to GB fans.

Understand that MVP awards lead to endorsements which lead to big money for QBs/MVPs. Endorsement from, you guessed it, NFL sponsors who pay big money to advertise during NFL games. Make the QB the face of the league and the face of good teams and even the casual fan remembers who they are and when to watch them play. Which in turn is why Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Brees, (pre-retirement) and a few others always have their games in during prime time and double header games etc.

Now let’s couple this with the fact that with the exception of 2-3 seasons, specifically ‘96, ‘97 and 2010, Packers fans have not seen championship defense since the Lombardi era

Therefore when the Packers face a strong defensive unit like Tampa Bay in 2020 and the Bucs shutdown the Packers offense as they did during the 4th quarter it’s not because the Bucs have a good, well prepared defense that is capable of making stops, it’s because of Rodgers. Again because Rodgers is the QB and he is supposed to score a TD on every possession regardless of the opponent or the situation.

Again, these are the media brainwashed fans who heard nothing but the QB is responsible for everything. Including the defense allowing an average of 35+ points in the Packers playoff losses during Rodgers career. They never watched the Lombardi defense allow only 9.7 points per post season game back in the 60s. This is championship defense.

Try to imagine what this blog will be like when Rodgers is gone, we finally have a good defense but our offense, can’t get out of its own way to score 10-14 points a game. Thanks Since ‘61

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marpag1's picture

March 29, 2021 at 01:04 pm

Um.... the "brainwashed fans" are almost universally clamoring that the Packers need to do more to help Aaron Rodgers.... which is to say that Aaron Rodgers cannot do it all by himself. How is that not the very opposite and antithesis of the idea that QBs and only QBs win all by themselves? You argument is completely backwards.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2021 at 01:52 pm

Marpag - I'm only responding to the premise of the article which is "Stop saying that the Packers have not done enough for Aaron Rodgers." So my post basically agrees with your point that Rodgers cannot do it all by himself.

However, they are numerous fans who place and have placed the fault on Rodgers for the playoff losses.

Maybe I have miss understood your post, if that is true. MY bad. Thanks, Since '61

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wildbill's picture

March 29, 2021 at 01:22 pm

Ok I’m not a Gute groupie but isn’t his job to assemble a team with the ability to make the Super Bowl with still keeping an eye on the team’s future? Didn’t he do that? We could have easily won the Tampa game if we didn’t shoot ourselves in the foot and then we are in the Super Bowl. Sure we are all mad at King, myself included, but didn’t, I think Sullivan, drop an easy interception before that play which would have negated that TD?
And don’t even get me started on having two possessions with first down inside the 10 and we don’t run the ball ONE DAMN TIME and with an absolute hammer of a RB sitting on the bench. And we’ve got one of the best QBs in history and we don’t go for it on fourth down!!?? You think Reid pulls Mahomes and kicks a FG?
The bane of management is being an easy scrap goat but Gute put a team on that field that easily could of made the Super Bowl and now it’s his fault it didn’t I guess....

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PhantomII's picture

March 29, 2021 at 02:17 pm

I agree that Gute has built a strong team thru FA and draft. He has also taken 10 mill from a RT position and 8 Mill from C position and rolled it into enormous salaries for now injured LT Bak and DL Clark which has at the same time finished hamstringing our cap numbers and left huge holes on DL next to Clark and underperforming #2 CB and no #2 WR. Both of these players are very good, but nobody should spend 20 plus mill on 2 non QB's. Jenkins is good enough to be LT with minimal drop off. Clark, I would rather pay 2-above average DT's 8-10 million a piece and cover a big hole in the line and have better production there. Jenkins is still under rookie contract and money from Bak could be used for a better CB group and even #2 WR. It's also how you use your resources. Jones is a weapon that scores TD's, and I'm okay with that. Now all of our big holes are covered with Patrick at (C) and we can now draft for a good starter at ILB and depth all around.

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Crankbait's picture

April 15, 2021 at 07:37 am

When you have a killer defense it makes the offense relax have fun , make less mistakes , feel less pressured .....
The Packers offense except Rogers and MVS Played scared, uptight and unfocused against Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay's defense got into their heads early and they could not shake them. Game over.

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fastmoving's picture

March 29, 2021 at 01:55 pm

AR is one if the not the best skilled QB who ever played and Im really glad TT took the chance and drafted him. But I also saw that he did not so much in the playoffs (besides the magical run) as he would be able to.
Less talented QBs did more with way less, espacially in the play offs. That was never the Packers fault and it was most of the time not the fault of his weapons. Some Ds were not great and the late MM did not help either but if you are 20 percent of the SC you should play like that and he more often than not did not.
I know some here see AR as god or the goat and there is no way for them he can fail. But thats just not true. How often do I here that AR carries us if we win and its everyone elses fault if we dont. But he is a QB and the most important position in all of sports is a big part of W or L.
There is no way to blame besides AR (an the luck you always need of course) if things went wrong. The Packers can only do so much and they did even more than that most of the years.....

And yeahhh, I would be not so sure if he stays sharp till his 40s. Its not a given and a big risk as well. He can drop every time, like most of us know

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JimZorn's picture

March 29, 2021 at 06:52 pm

Nagler's vehement attack on the very obvious truth that the Packers have failed AR throughout his career very much reminds me of Bob McGinn's similarly vehement anti-Rodgers tirade in 2013 that the packers would be "fine" w/o Rodgers, right before AR broke his collar bone against the bears. The packers went into that game at 5-2 and McGinn said that, w/o AR, the packers could finish at 11-5, i.e., the packers and McCarthy were more than solid enough to succeed irrespective of AR. Of course, McGinn was proven a fool then just as Nagler is a fool now. W/o AR in 2013, the packers were 2-5-1. W/o AR in 2017, 3-7.

This past year 2020, against the very best, the packers proved less than complete again and got hammered, but again what sort of team would they have been w/o AR? Does anyone think they would have broken .500 w/o AR? Anyone? More important, any unbiased person would have to admit that had the packers picked up a Jefferson, Higgins or Claypool, it would have helped win against Tampa's tough defense. Just imagine how much better AR and Davante would have been in that game if there had been a consistent threat on the other side at no. 2. Instead, we got Gutekunst chasing after a Kizer reincarnation because his ego wouldn't let him believe he'd been so wrong about the original.

For years, nearly every organization and pro scout outside GB has known that during his career AR alone has kept the packers from being a less than average mediocrity. He got McCarthy fired? Well, not before he made him an undeserved multi-millionaire, him and most of the other people in the packers organization. Please let me manage an employee like that for a few years at work before I get fired. The packers are a "draft and develop" team because they have the luxury of making stupid draft picks and praying they turn out okay because AR has always been there to guarantee at least a winning season. In the final analysis, AR's career in GB will have been little more than hiding the consistent blemishes and failings of the packers' organization.

And I'm exhausted too of the idiot argument that the packers and (especially) McCarthy made AR, that w/o his time in McCarthy's QB school or sitting behind and learning from that paragon of jedi teaching Favre, AR would be nothing. This idiot argument too got a lot of legs from that great AR backer Bob McGinn. He's been spinning this narrative for years. (Btw, McGinn was at one time-might still be--unsure whether AR deserves HOF). If AR is little more than a product of McCarthy's QB whispering talents, Brett Hundley anyone? Anyone? Was Hundley immune to McCarthy's mystical QB teaching brilliance for some reason? How many year did Mike have with him? Where's Hundley now? How's it going for good old Mike in Dallas?

To the question Nagler posed in his daily chat recently: "Does anyone think AR would be AR if he'd been drafted by the browns?" my answer is yes. Why? Joe Thomas is my answer. He played on that most dysfunctional of football organizations for his entire 11 year career and it did not keep him from being All-Pro six times and a guaranteed first round HOF entry. Or is there any reason AR shouldn't be compared to Joe Thomas? There's no doubt AR would still be AR even if he'd played on the browns or the bears or the 49ers. Anywhere. There was no magical dirt in the frozen tundra that made AR one of the greatest QBs.

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Since'61's picture

March 29, 2021 at 09:26 pm

Excellent, accurate and well written post JimZorn. Keep them coming. Thanks, Since ‘61

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marpag1's picture

March 30, 2021 at 02:04 am

Interesting take, JimZorn. But I’m wondering how you will answer these questions about last year:

Is Bakh one of the best, if not the very best, LTs in the game?

Is Elgton Jenkins a flat out stud who very deservedly went to the Pro Bowl?

Was Linsley a First-Team All-Pro (meaning that he was widely regarded as the very best center in the league)?

Did PFF rank the Green Bay Packers as the #2 offensive line in football in 2020, despite a myriad of injuries? Does this tell you anything about the play of Billy Turner, Lucas Patrick and other lesser-known blockers?

Is Adams easily a top 10, if not top 5, receiver? Did any WR have more than Davante’s 18 TDs?

Which NFL tight end caught more TDs than Tonyan (11)? Which TE had a higher catch rate or was more efficient? Even if we include WRs, are you aware that only four players in total caught more TDs than Tonyan – and one of those was Davante Adams?

Is Aaron Jones a dynamic and super-productive running back? Were Jamaal Williams and AJ Dillon pretty damn good backups at the RB position?

Did any offense in the NFL score more points than the Packers did (509)?

Did the Packers get a little bit of bad luck at WR due to the fact that Lazard was injured for 6+ games, and Funchess decided to opt out due to COVID?

Do the Packers get any credit for, y’know, drafting Aaron Rodgers in the first place? Or are they just held more accountable because they made possibly the best draft pick of all time next to Tom Brady?

Oh…. but I guess you’re not satisfied with MVS and his 700 yards (and NFL leading YPC). I guess you’re pretty fixated on that one spot. OK. Got it. The Packers suck.

Other than that WR2, which Packers offensive position do you consider to be a glaring weakness?

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JimZorn's picture

March 30, 2021 at 07:23 pm

Yes, the packers were 13-3 and tore up the weaker teams of the NFL, offensive stats were amazing, but they were exposed badly against TB because TB was a really good team. You could have been in the SB (and probably won) by shutting down TB or by outscoring them in a shoot out. Option 1 of course was out b/c our defense plays soft, so Option 2 is all you have and Option 2 would have required the packers to have more weapons than Davante, especially once Aaron Jones was shut down. Was AR forcing the ball to Davante all game b/c he's a fool or b/c there was nothing else for him? And if there was nothing else for AR, why is that? Despite all those TD, where was Tonyan? Where was MVS? TB shut them down, neither could match up with TB's secondary. Football is about winning matchups, and against TB our offensive weapons lost way more than they won. I think a receiver picked in the 2020 draft (instead of our Kizer clone) would have made the difference between winning and losing--you don't.

The packers were fortunate that they drafted AR--who's disagreeing with that--but the narrative remains that AR was a McCarthy whisper away from being a flop, a small footnote of a failed no. 1 pick. I don't buy that.

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TPCheese's picture

March 29, 2021 at 07:07 pm

Gute claims that the Packers are in "win now" mode. Two years ago, they were one game away from the Super Bowl. What does Gute do? He spends his top 4 draft picks on three guys that sit the bench the entire year, sans Dillion who played maybe a game and a half. Earth to Gute, drafting benchwarmers who plan to start in a few years is not considered "win now" mode

Sure, Davante has astronomical numbers for stats but that's because they still don't have a #2 WR. They have a #1 and a bunch of 3's, and 4's. ESB is on the PUP list most of the time. You're never sure if MVS is gonna actually catch the ball, and Lazard has had a decent showing on occasion but not enough to be considered a #2. Green Bay hasn't drafted a receiver in the top three rounds in SEVEN YEARS. You'd think if you had one of the greatest QB's of all time you would make sure he had some decent receivers. Good thing Gute broke up the chemistry of Rodgers and Nelson, who led the league in TD's before Hundley came in the picture, only to sign one of the biggest flops GB has seen in recent memory with Jimmy Graham. They couldn't pay Nelson but they could make Graham the highest paid TE in the league to catch 5 TD's in two years? SMH

Another GIANT flop was trying to outsmart everyone by signing Martellus Bennett over Jared Cook. Cook made some amazing catches and was a great addition to the team, while Bennett was a POS who was off the team halfway through the season, taking with him $8million.

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Harold Drake's picture

March 30, 2021 at 01:22 am

Who precisely has been saying that Rodgers isn't being given enough support by the Pack? This is a prime case of a straw man rant! One might call it Nagler's Lament.

I believe that it was a terrible mistake for Gutekunst to have drafted Love last year. The Packers would have been markedly stronger had a WR or ILB or defensive lineman been selected instead. Further, the fact that Rodgers had an MVP season with a receiving corps (Adams is elite, MVS could well reach that level this year based on late and post-season performance) that does not compare favourably to many of the NFL's top teams.

The more important issue right now is the Packers' failure to restructure and EXTEND Rodgers. I am sure that his agent is insisting on at least $50 million in guaranteed money and a one to two-year extension. Coming off an MVP season and proving that he is still the best QB in the NFL (at least statistically), Rodgers has tremendous leverage given that Love will obviously not be ready to start this year. I would expect Rodgers to hold out this season should he not receive the guaranteed money he is undoubtedly seeking together with contractual tweaks that make it practically impossible for the Packers to move away from him at least until after the 2022 season.

Further, it is strange that Mr Nagler is so out of tune with the consensus media view from the top commentators and analysts (no, I am not including idiots like Chris Sims et al.) which have all bemoaned the failure to restructure Rodgers and are further deeply puzzled and disturbed by the team's seeming reluctance to give the NFL's top QB the contractual assurances that he will be the starter for at least two more seasons. Rodgers clearly performs well in LaFleur's offensive scheme and his arm strength is still outstanding. The example of Brees (with a much weaker arm) performing at an elite level in his late thirties and now Brady performing at an elite level in his mid-forties is sufficient proof that Rodgers should have at least three more years of productive, high-calibre play. Mr Nagler, please leave the dark side and come join Mr Rodgers' neighbourhood.

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PF4L's picture

March 31, 2021 at 06:39 pm

Seriously Harold, you sticking with this story?

First...you don't have a clue what/or even if Rodgers agent is insisting on anything from the Packers. You are guessing...as if you knew.

Secondly....you expect Rodgers to hold out if his deal isn't guaranteed?

That is so off base, what makes you even believe that?
Did you talk to his agent?

Rodgers is 37. When in Rodgers history with the Packers has he ever brought up or even insinuated holding out? The answer is never.
Because that isn't how Rodgers operates.

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Crankbait's picture

March 30, 2021 at 09:29 am

They haven't.

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PF4L's picture

March 30, 2021 at 07:19 pm

In 2011..fresh off a SB win, SB MVP, Rodgers wins an MVP for the 2011 season going 15-1 with the 32nd ranked defense.
Rodgers was the hottest thing going in the NFL back then.

Fast forward to 2020-2021
Rodgers was/is the hottest thing going in the NFL.

In between won another MVP

Appreciate what you have, while you have it.
Sometimes it takes a player to be gone, for some fans to appreciate what they had.

I know and appreciate what we have.....which brings me to....

Mr. Jordan Love...The Chosen One....someday soon, you might be the starting QB under center for the Green Bay Packers after 30 years of Favre and Rodgers.

Best of luck....Godspeed.

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