Remember, Jordan Love Is Just One Piece Of The Team

The big news of the 2023 Packers will be the move from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love. But it's about a lot more than that, too.


Quarterback is easily the most important position in football.

It also gets too much credit and too much blame.

Yes, they direct the offense and have a huge mental burden, but they are only one of 22 people on the field at a time. The fact that people put a lot of stock into the idea that wins are a quarterback stat is laughable - they aren't even on the field for half the snaps!

Still, when people look at the 2023 Packers, they will assess it through the lens of Jordan Love.

But remember: Jordan Love is just one piece of the team and there has been a lot of change since last year.

For starters, the Packers added Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Jayden Reed, and Dontayvion Wicks. At first glance, it may seem like Jordan Love should have a high bar since he now has all these new weapons.

But that's not always how things work. This isn't fantasy football.

Adding new pieces changes the complexion of the offense. Not only is it a matter of establishing chemistry and timing with the new receivers, but it's also about learning an offense that will resemble, but be very different, than the one Jordan Love has been groomed under his entire career. Matt LaFleur will not be running the same offense he ran last year.

With two pass-catching tight ends, no blocking specialist on the roster, and a fully-healed Josiah Deguara to play H-back, the Packers offense will change noticeably.

Aaron Jones, who is also a year closer to 30, may have a different role, as well.

The Packers offense will continue to evolve and mature.

Just like it always has.

It evolved when it moved from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.

Just like it moved from Greg Jennings to Davante Adams to Christian Watson. 

And like it moved from Ryan Grant to Eddie Lacy to Aaron Jones.

More players than just Jordan Love are changing.

The end result of the 2023 season will depend on Jordan Love.

It''ll also depend on all the new players joining the team, and the returning veterans, and the coaches, and their opponents.

 A lot goes into a football season, and the 2023 Packers will be defined by so much more than one player.

Remember not to give Jordan Love too much blame, or credit.

 

 

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Bruce Irons has played, coached, and studied football for decades. Best-selling author of books such as A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Draft, A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Salary Cap, and A Fan's Guide To NFL Free Agency Hits And Misses, Bruce contributes to CheeseHeadTV and PackersForTheWin.com.

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TKWorldWide's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:12 am

Yes! Great article!
A few things:
“Wins” are NOT a QB stat. But agreed that the QB is definitely more than one eleventh of how the offense performs.
Recently, I’ve decided to put one of the young linemen on the “pleasant surprise” list for this year. Whether it be the newly jacked Zach Tom supplanting an assumed starter, Josh Myers making a big leap forward, Sean Rhyan stepping up, or whoever. The left side, if healthy, is very good. Adding on one more stud at center or on the right side would be awesome!
Also wishing for Musgrave or Kraft to accelerate the process and contribute ahead of schedule.
Cannot wait to see what the “new, true MLF” offense looks like. Sure, plenty of question marks, but also, so much potential!

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NickPerry's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:38 am

"Cannot wait to see what the “new, true MLF” offense looks like. Sure, plenty of question marks, but also, so much potential!"

Yup, I can't either TK... It's going to be worth the price of admission, or at least Sunday Ticket on You-Tube in my case!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 11:52 am

Why limit a step forward to just one lineman? I hope they develop ALL of them like crazy! Bakh gets a pass, he's been absolutely dominant when healthy. I expect him to not take snaps on artificial turf, there'll be plenty of chances for others to shine.

We NEED a lot more than just one surprise from our O line.

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mnbadger's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:29 pm

If you don't play Bakh on art. turf, how many games would he sit out?
@Det, @MN just in the division. Purposefully leaving him out of 1/3 of interdivision games, if necessary, is too big of a red flag for me.
If that's the plan, I'm all in favor of trading him after June 1st.
GPG!

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TKWorldWide's picture

May 26, 2023 at 02:47 pm

Heck, ALL of them can step up if they’re so inclined!
If GB’s starting 5 has 2 great and 3 average, ok. That’s kind of where they’re at right now.
But yes, 3 great beats 2 great, 4 great beats 3 great, 5 great beats 4 great, 6 great means there’s a great one on the bench, 7 great would put 2 great on the bench…I could do this all day. Or until we find out exactly how many offensive linemen make the 53. And then there’s the practice squad…

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:15 am

All of what you’ve said here is true, Bruce. Great point which I think will help the Packers goals to become attainable… taking a lot of the pressure off of Jordan Love. Rightly so and well said.

This 2023 Packers O should be very different from what we have seen for years. There’s a palpable excitement amongst us fans envisioning the concepts LaFleur had told us all that he was bringing to Green Bay upon his hiring.

Now he has the personnel, complete with backups, to run every concept he can imagine. All of that with a well seasoned, experienced OL and a set of RBs that rival those of any team in the NFL.

THAT should prove to be a huge benefit to LaFleur & Love alike, as well as all the new receiving talents added as they begin to establish their roles in his offense.

It’s a good setup to begin this new era.

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NickPerry's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:28 am

We've been blessed as Packers fans and those of you who are say 40 or younger have no idea what it's like to be a Packers fan without a future HOF QB running the offense. Just like Favre and Rodgers before him, Love will be blamed for almost every loss, and will be praised for almost every win. He's the Green Bay Packers QB and one of only 32 starters at the position in the NFL, it's part of the gig.

There's so much to be excited about with this team. The last two drafts have loaded up the WR room and TE room. BUT, when longest tenured WR in the group is entering year two, and the "Tight End" with the most experience is really a Fullback/H-Back and the other two are rookies (No I didn't forget Tyler Davis...Or did I), it's going to take time.

They'll lean on a O-Line with the best starting left side of an O-Line in the NFL (Bakhtiari & Jenkins), and plenty of talented O-Linemen to play center and the right side of the line. They'll lean on a running game that should be one of the best in the NFL if not the best with Jones and Dillon. And hopefully they'll lean a a defense with 8 first rounders (once Gary & Stokes are healthy) to keep them in games while the "Kids" get it figured out.

THIS is an exciting time, at least IMO. I'm ordering my You-Tube Sunday Ticket subscription this weekend so I can watch EVERY game. I don't want to miss a second of this season, especially when the lights start going of for all these youngsters. When that starts to happen, it's going to be fun. And once again the rest of the NFC North will be SNIVELING because the Packers will once again DOMINATE their asses for the NEXT 10 years!

It's just going to take a little time.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 11:58 am

Lots can go right before any competition takes place. Developing the yutes is entirely different from the regular season, everybody else is trying to take their step forward now too. If player effort is equal, the difference is in the coaching now. And GB hasn't had a valid off-season of prep without AR12 participating, for how long now? This could make a huge difference for the beginning of the season until the bye ...

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Redrum81's picture

May 26, 2023 at 11:00 pm

What the hell is a yute?

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Redrum81's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:34 pm

You’re far more optimistic than people like me who see a flawed team from management down to the water boy. I hope I’m wrong

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barutanseijin's picture

May 27, 2023 at 11:06 am

I think Favre did get blame for losses. but Rodgers tended to get off lightly in the blame game. Even when he played very poorly (vs Seattle in the NFC. championship or against SF in his last playoff appearance or against Detroit last season), it was always the defense or McCarthy or Capers or Kevin King or Bostick or...

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Boneman's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:28 am

Maybe I will end up sounding like a deluded fanboy or unrealistic, but come on Man! Why are we being soooo careful and cautious about our JL expectations? He was a 1st round draft choice who fell to us! Many had him rated just as high as Justin Herbert. He has learned and grown the last three years behind a HOF QB. He has shown glimpses of how good he can be with his last game being his best! I think this guy should and will be the next BIG thing. This team and the entire organization knows what is about to be apparent to everyone else and is excited! Look for this young group of offensive skill players to be adorning the covers of sports magazines sooner rather than later. The new Pack is back!

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Guam's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:19 am

There was an interesting article in the local Madison newspaper about Lynn Dickey and Don Majkowski (both were at a local golf outing) commenting on Jordan Love. They both said Love is talented but as a first year starter will need some time to get established. They both recalled their first year as a starter and remembered significant difficulties.

They also both said a strong running game and a good defense would be the best things that could happen for Love until he gets settled in as a starter. We all want success for Jordan Love, but the guys who have actually done his job before are counseling patience.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:05 pm

AR12 won 6 games his first year as a starter. Tempering expectations in the short term is advisable.

I just want to see 100% effort from every Packer, on every play, all season long. "That's all," lol. Oh, plus excellence throughout the rest of the preseason from all involved, which can look very different from what many expect.

Next year GB will still have some salary cap hell, and probably some more personnel changes. 2025 is the next chance to really expect to be contenders, a SB then would match what AR did.

Right now it's time to appreciate the individual athletes, and see how they develop individually, and gel as a team.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:42 pm

You know your right!

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Leatherhead's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:44 am

The list of guys that were drafted in the first round and who studied for three years under an HOF player is pretty short. If you believe in the Packers organization, Love is going to be pretty good. If you believe Aaron Rodgers,he's a '''master of the offense" . If you believe Aaron Jones, the Packers are going to be very competitive. If you believe the GM, Love is ready.

The other QBs who were taken the same year as Love are among the top QBs in the league. None of them got the opportunity to learn and grow on the sidelines, none of them went to a team as good as the Packers. IMO, his performance this year will be the average of Burrow, Tua, Herbert, and Hurts. He'll be better than the 2022 version of Aaron Rodgers.

The first time Love steps up and throws a hard strike downfield, people are going to realize what was missing from the offense. Those soft lobs and touch passes down the sideline are beautiful to watch, but slicing and dicing a defense with hard strikes is more effective than relying on jump balls.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:48 am

"The first time Love steps up and throws a hard strike downfield, people are going to realize what was missing from the offense. "

OMG. Head of nail, allow me to introduce my friend, the hammer!

I'll add the confidence with which he will deliver that hard strike to his target, and the very small amount of time it will take him to do so.

Jordan Love will be a very different QB than we've known in these parts for more than a decade. He doesn't mess around, and he gets that ball out fast.

All in on that.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:14 pm

I was watching a Rodgers 2022 hilight montage with him throwing those "trash can" shots (where you would try to lob it into a trash can downfield). I know they have nets now, but it's the same thing. And when it works, it's just indefensible and gorgeous to watch.

So I went back and looked harder at some of our games where the offense struggled, and I noticed that we just didn't throw hard strikes downfield. Zippy little darts to the RB, or Doubs, but few where he just throws a bullet 20 yards downfield.

It doesn't have to be the middle of the field. It just needs to be more downfield and not so short all the time. But that's going to require stepping into the throw and drilling it, and when I watch Love against Philly, that's exactly what he did. Yes, I know it was against a soft zone because they had a big lead, but those were strong, accurate throws, nonetheless.

My prediction for 2023: We're going to score more points than we did last year.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:18 pm

Leatherhead, I’m right with you.

Aaron Rodgers lost his feet before he won his 2 most recent MVPs, and along with it, his canon. That long ball has been long gone. The bullets went away about that same time.

Love has a canon. Rodgers is gone. Great! That’s all I care about. I see very bright skies, finally for our Packers, who I firmly believe will contend for the prize this year, and for many to come.

I think football will be fun again in Green Bay.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:16 pm

We can hope JL10 is all that. What we really need is for him to be competent running this offense, making the dink and dunk strategy work. RB and TE should be able to do that if the O line dominates.

On top of that, the deep ball doesn't need to be frequent to be effective. Watson is almost identical to MVS in straight line speed. MVS' reception rate was 50% Watson already beats that. He runs more than just a straight route, too; MVS didn't add that until the second half of his last season here. Watson can spread the defense thin which is a substantial contribution even if he's never targeted, and if course he'll get wide open sometime! Dobbs is slower but not that much. And young speedsters might surprise us!

MLF is free to scheme up 5 receivers going all over, as complicated as he wants. JL will hopefully be handing the ball off a majority of the time, especially in the early season. Finding the open man is a skill, he might surprise us how much he can already do that but even if not, that can get up to speed ...

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 02:35 pm

Yeah SicSemperTyrannis.

Myself, I’m a huge fan of Melton & Reed additions, and Melton is faster than Watson.

They will learn their best spots to break the top off a defense before long.

Totally agree with the dink & dunk approach, spreading high percentage touches all around. O is going to have to figure out how to sustain long drives, keeping their own D fresh while pasting the opposing O to their own sidelines.

I’m just totally stoked to see it all come together.

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mnbadger's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:38 pm

I agree with all, LH - especially paragraph 3, assuming you mean a hard strike down the MIDDLE of the field.
As soon as pass defenses have to defend the entire field, the sooner we'll see open receivers.
No more bs about our receivers not being good enough to get open one on one.
Too many times they'd be open in the middle but qb1 wouldn't risk throwing a pick.
Safeties all cheated outside so outside corners could play super tight.
With corners being left on an island outside, our young guns will be allowed a half step more space and win their fair share of matchups.
IMO
GPG!

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Leatherhead's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:24 pm

I don't think it has to be down the middle. A 20 yards out, or a deep hook around the hashes will work too, but that's going to require a guy with a strong arm stepping into the throw. If you drop back 7 yards and then throw the ball to the sideline 20 yards downfield, that's a long throw. If you assume you were around the middle of the field, you need about a 35 yard rope.

Down the middle is a shorter throw, with more RAC potential, but it's also the most dangerous. Some of you may remember when McCarthy came to Green Bay he repeatedly said that Favre had to stop throwing late, down the middle. This season, when you're watching, notice where most picks happen......between the hashes. The ball gets tipped, a linebacker gets a hand on it, a safety gets there in time........that happens a lot more over the middle.

We do have to hurt teams over the middle enough that they have to keep it covered, but we have to do it without turning it over, too.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:20 pm

Well said LH!

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Savage57's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:44 am

Chances are slim it happens, but I'm holding out hope I get to see a Packers team with a meat-eater defense and a bankable running game at least one more time in my life.

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jlc1's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:57 am

Meat eater defense? Did I miss the Joe Barry firing? No, the chances are well below slim.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:18 pm

A serious running game I'm really hoping for. With Rich Bisaccia as assistant HC maybe he'll kick JB's ass before he ruins another season.

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mnbadger's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:40 pm

Aaahh, Sav57 - the sweet sounds of pads smacking and opposition moaning in pain.
Love it.
GPG!

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:44 am

This is Fantasy Football, at it's best.
I'm not on the Love Train.
In fact I don't have any Great Expectations.
For Love or this Team.
They're expected to finish Dead Last.
And the talk has been so unrealistic.
Every Rookie will make the All rookie Team.
Jordan Love is the New MVP.
And last years draft just became All-pros.
What Moon talk. This isn't One step mankind.
It's- I can make up unbelievable truths.
Let's see some accountability first!
Something that just isn't there in todays world.
You have Rushed into this with your heart.
It's not mind over matter here.
Jordan Love has been a mistake.
He maybe the next move. SO SHOW US!
The hit for Show. Is in Golfing.
And the scream of Four is a warning.
Those who think everything is Terrific.
Will face the deepest depression.
I'm optimistic! Proof is needed!

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Untylu1968's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:06 am

It's drive for show. Just like in football, you don't know what you're talking about in golf either..

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:13 am

No- It's Hit for show- putt for dough.
Elvis was a Packer fan.
Your heart may be true
But this team has to Take Care of Business First.

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Guam's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:25 am

Sorry SH, but it was Bobby Locke who said "Drive for show, putt for dough". Never heard of "hit for show" and I am a lifelong golfer.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:31 am

So you Drive Every Hole?
Only in Golf Myths.
No- You; Hit every Tee Off.

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Guam's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:22 am

You're missing the point. The famous quote by Bobby Locke is "Drive for show, putt for dough". If you are going to use a famous quote to make a point, at least get the quote right. How you or I personally play golf is of no import.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 03:45 pm

But it's not an accurate statement.

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Guam's picture

May 27, 2023 at 07:28 am

SH: You truly are a literalist with no sense of poetic license. Locke was not trying to be literally factual in his statement, he was trying to express the fact that golf matches are usually won or lost on the putting green, not with booming drives or flashy iron shots.

When you use a famous quote to make your point, but mess up the quote itself, you lose your original point. People want you to fix your inaccurate use of a quote instead of focusing on the point you were trying to make. Your "fixing" the famous quote actually defeats your purpose of communicating your ideas.

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stockholder's picture

May 27, 2023 at 02:10 pm

I never used the putt for dough in my first statement.
It was Hit for show. Drive isn't logical. Lock got out hit.
And Locke was disliked for the time he
took to make a putt. Maybe I should have just said.
Go watch bagger Vance.

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Untylu1968's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:21 am

Wrong!

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Paul Konieczny's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:30 am

And from what I’ve heard, Love is a pretty good putter.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:50 am

Nice putt, Untylu1968.

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Untylu1968's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:17 am

That one was gimme, greengold, but thank you!!🏌

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mnbadger's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:43 pm

for me, a gimme includes most putts inside 12"
GPG!

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Paul Konieczny's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:31 am

It’s drive for show, putt for dough.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:40 am

Thats a Myth. You can't drive every hole.
Locke said it. But it isn't an accurate statement.

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golfpacker1's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:06 am

Drive for show, putt for dough has absolutely nothing to do with driving every hole SH. You were wrong the first time you said it, stop making yourself look dumb by repeating it. Its one thing to be pessimistic, but you take this to a whole new level by being so negative all the time. If you are really a Packer fan, try being excited for them once in a while. We are young and talented, try being optimistic about that.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 03:29 pm

I'm Bracing for the Worst
You don't drive a Iron.
They do have a #1 iron club.
It's not a Driver. It's an Iron.
I'm not the King without Clothes.
"Believe in what you see."
Thats the point.

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NickPerry's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:35 am

Hey SH...It's going to be really interesting when Love is even an average to above average QB which I think he probably is, to read your posts once that happens. I mean you've given the kid a ZERO % chance to be successful.

We know you're not on the "Love Train" or he's been a "Mistake". But to give him a ZERO % chance of being successful I think is just wrong. Now I'm probably sure you've never actually used the words there's a ZERO% chance he's successful, but 100% of your posts have suggested this.

IF that happens that will be enough "Crow" to eat to feed a moderate sized country!

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:47 am

I've ate Crow before.
Especially with Devante Adams.
I believe he will start.
And they will keep sending him out.
REGARDLESS.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:02 pm

The only thing holding Love back will be the coaching and play calling decisions. Hopefully, he has learned how to free-lance. The high picks should have gone to the offense, not Barry. I would give him a four game window to prove his mettle, or move him out and maybe some of his players by the trade deadline. Bhak has to stay healthy for any continuity on the O line. We will see who wants a starting job by the middle of Summer Session. There was never a reason to disparage Davante. I would have given him more snaps from day one. He styled his game after Jerry Rice and attended his receivers camps in the Bay Area. The guy to worry about is Wicks.

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Oppy's picture

May 27, 2023 at 03:43 pm

You're trying to educate a guy who literally argued that Davante Adams wasn't a good WR because all his yards were after the catch.

Think about that for a second.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:43 am

Fore, not four...

I had the exact same attitude when MM, TT and MM crossed the Rubicon and sent one of my all-time favorite (at the time) GB player off to the NY Jets. I lived through the 70's and 80's and I appreciated what BF brought to my downtrodden franchise.

I was completely disgusted with AR. His smugness and smarmy personality showed through from day 1. AR truly performed fantastically at the QB position in place of BF and we all soon forgot BF as we cheered for AR and the new-look GBP.

I never forgot my dislike for AR. I was on the "dump-his-ass" bandwagon well before it became mainstream. Don't get me wrong, I always appreciated what he brought to my favorite team, but I just didn't like the dude.

But... like tough times-they don't last... Packer fans and tough people - they DO last. ...and I have lasted... yet again... as a GBP fan, NOT a BF fan, NOT an AR fan, certainly NOT a MM fan (either one), NOT a TT fan, but a fan of the franchise regardless of who was wearing the uniform or operating in the front office and sideline.

Stocky, please do this... Just stop with the doom and gloom and JLove hatred until he does SOMETHING to deserve it. He has been a very good GB citizen minding his manners and supporting his teammates while he patiently waited his turn to make us all cheer. GIVE HIM THAT OPPORTUNITY!!!

After he does a few things that you just shake your head at, after he utters completely idiotic statements and after he lies directly to all of us, the loyal GBP fans (like both AR and BF have done), then you can start with the slings and arrows.

until then, GIVE THE GUY THE CHANCE HE DESERVES!!! You only make yourself look amazingly narrow-minded, ignorant and perhaps even bigoted by your current stance on JL.

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stockholder's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:01 am

There is No hatred. Never met him.
If you replace a MVP.
That guy must be equal or better.
Never give a sucker a even chance.
Who signed on for growing pains?
You look at Loyalty.
You can't spend Brownie points.
It's do your job.
Do it better than the guy you replaced.
TCB.

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:33 am

"If you replace a MVP.
That guy must be equal or better."

Rodgers wasn't an MVP until his 4th season as a starter.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:48 am

SH was still railing at the perfidy of shipping out Favre and the idiocy of TT till then, to be fair.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:27 am

Rodgers is going on 40 and looked nothing close to an MVP last year. Hell he shouldnt have been MVP in 2021 either. Did you think he was gonna be an MVP forever? He was going to have to be replaced eventually. Would you rather have waited for a couple of top 5 pick seasons to draft his replacement and hope it works out? The front office decided to be proactive and took the future of this team into their own hands. Thats literally their job. Why does that offend you so deeply? Its the same damn approach that gave us Rodgers in the first place. You're just an old dog chasing your own tail.

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Lphill's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:51 pm

yet with a broken finger he finished ranked 15 th overall. why are facts always left out?

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 26, 2023 at 01:34 pm

Yep a broken finger, a constantly changing offensive line, and injuries to every receiver on the squad over the course of the year, leaving a big reliance on rookies. And a D that sucked.

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Bitternotsour's picture

May 26, 2023 at 02:26 pm

Poor Aaron Rodgers. Will someone finally think of Aaron's feelings. It's hard out there for a sanctimonious prick.

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barutanseijin's picture

May 27, 2023 at 11:43 am

Fun Facts about Chronic Thumbitis:

1. Rodgers sucked before the onset of The Thumb, against Minnesota and in the Giants game before the Thumb, which happened at the end of the game.

2. Rodgers sucked during his heroic struggle with Thumbitis but was somehow able to shake off the suckitude and play well against the Cowboys. He then went back to sucking, for example, in the season finale against Detroit.

3. If the Thumb was so bad why was he playing? He did not give the team the best chance to make the playoffs.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:02 pm

Nobody really replaces an MVP. If it happens it's because it just happens.

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packer132's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:48 am

SH: You put Debbie Downer to shame. You are on a Packers site with numerous fans giving insite to the upcoming season with their ideas. All that you want to do is pout that your man-crush Rodgers is gone. You are the one with unrealistic thoughts. I really think you should follow another team that you can root and get excited for. If that is possible.

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Packers0808's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:12 am

You sound like some wannabe one trick pony!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:31 pm

SH, regular season is entirely different from everything before that. Right now it's about developing all 90, + PS. Done to perfection that would still tell us exactly nothing about competing against the league.

One step at a time.

I was very much understanding of AR12 and appreciative of his greatness, but he wasn't replaced with the expectation that a first year starter would beat AR at his prime. GB won 6 games his first year as a starter, if JL10 equals that he's on the path to being a first ballot HOF'er.

Get real. GB can't actually contend until 2025. A LOT can happen until then; give it time.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:29 pm

AR's first year?

6 wins?

Road to the HOF?

Troy Aikman was 0-11 in his rookie year.
His stats looked like this...Troy Aikman had a passer rating of 55.7 with 1,749 yards, 9 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in 11 games in his rookie season in 1989.

Aikman would eventually win three Super Bowl rings with the Cowboys, and led the team to four consecutive NFC championship games - 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995 seasons, with victories in 1992, 1993, and 1995. He was selected to six straight Pro Bowls from 1992-97.

Let's all light torches and grab pitchforks before our new guy has completed his second complete game or a single season.

Just ridiculous...

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Scott Stach's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:50 pm

You are an asshat.

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Spock's picture

May 26, 2023 at 03:27 pm

"Proof is needed!" Uh, PROOF READING is needed. Golfers yell, "Fore!" not "Four!" and as others have pointed out the quote is "Drive" not "Hit". The only reason I read your posts is because I am fascinated at how many mistakes you constantly make both in spelling and in football analysis. It's almost as if a badly programmed AI is writing this drivel.

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Packers0808's picture

May 26, 2023 at 03:29 pm

The guy is a total bore!

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TKWorldWide's picture

May 26, 2023 at 03:59 pm

Good to know we’re not in danger of running short on poopy-flavored lollipops.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:03 pm

God is good.

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TheVOR's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:30 am

Well, I am afraid I will have to somewhat disagree. It is not a coincidence that the same 10 to 12 quarterbacks in the league end up in the playoffs every year. The simple truth is the quarterback is the most important position on the offense, and you either have a quarterback, or you don’t compete.

Mediocre quarterback play will never accomplish much as a team. A lot of fans have been clamoring for Jordan Love. Well, guess what you’ve got him! He’s either going to be really good or you’re not going to win. The margin of error is small in the NFL, and the difference between horrible teams and championship teams isn’t nearly as great as people think it is. Unfortunately for teams that are typically not successful, they just don’t have adequate quarterback play.

My 2.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 26, 2023 at 11:32 am

I'm not trying to be nice, but few facts that you walk around them in your post. First, do you consider Captain Kirk elite QB? Or Daniel Jones? Or Mr. Irrelevant? Or Geno Smith? Or Dak Prescott maybe?

We are consider Hurts very, very good QB and Tom Brady an elite. So how that pan out?

Only Jalen Hurts was playing in SB. Tom Brady was one and done, as was Daniel Jones. Same as Geno Smith.

But one team (to remind you!) had elite QB in NFC and they were even not reach play off. So, your conclusion have a lot wrong premises.

Conclusion should be that team does not need to have elite QB to be contender. Just that.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:26 pm

Dink and dunk has spread throughout the league. Nobody says Jimmy G is spectacular, but he's been competent and consistent. That's all we need from JL10 IF our O line can dominate.

I think he'll also flash some greatness on top of that. If he falls flat? Of course that's possible and it would suck. GV should be committed to him at least this season anyway, even if they need to put a backup QB in for short stretches.

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Handsback's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:42 am

Good article Bruce. We have seen many non-HOF QBs win the SB. Not saying Love won’t be, just saying he doesn’t have to be in order to win another Lombardi trophy.
Just MHO

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:46 am

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Doug Williams, Joe Flacco, Jeff Hoestettler, ...

All agree...

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:10 am

This is probably one of the most prescient points in here, Handsback.

All Jordan Love needs to be is a facilitator, and an extension of the HC within the running of LaFleur’s offense. The rest of it will take care of itself.

Jordan Love doesn't have to do it all, and I think he has seen that, knows it. Inside & out. Jordan Love strikes me as a very cool cucumber. Older & wiser than his years might suggest, and highly discerning & dedicated to his craft. But he's learned much about this game from some of the best just watching with a front row seat. He's learned it truly is a team sport.

Will our defense be better, keeping us in and winning games for us? I should hope so. Like LaFleur, Joe Barry now has all the personnel he needs to run whatever defensive concepts he can dream up. Adding 8 new defenders, all of them sharing the common run stop strengths that they each bring to the table?

S Tarvarius Moore
EDGE Lukas Van Ness
DE/DT Colby Wooden
DE/DT Karl Brooks
CB Carrington Valentine
S Anthony Johnson Jr.
OLB Brenton Cox Jr.
S Jonathan Owens

This doesn't even take into account a player addition like OLB Justin Hollins, who had 16 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF since joining the team last November, nor former 1st Round pick Devonte Wyatt getting his shot with a solid year of training under his belt.

That's a pretty solid, dynamic bunch of players to help fill out that side of the roster. Most of them big production players.

Will our STs follow suit with the improvements we all expect to see? I would think Rich Bisaccia has that covered. What? Did he get every player he wanted back, and more?

This could be very good, especially if LaFleur & his coaching staff step up to the challenge, putting not only Jordan Love, but this entire team in their best positions to realize success.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:37 pm

Add in the no pressure / no expectations factor and yup, GB could shock the whole league! But for Jimmy G levels of competence to be enough, the O line has to dominate. I've seen Bakh do that, now let's get that from C and the right side of the line.

GPG!

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:20 pm

If the Packers can get marked improvement at a handful of positions, with a new QB1, new system with unscouted looks against some lesser scheduled foes early… could make for a great start, and one helluva confidence builder.

Catch some good fortune on the injury front, Stokes back healthy mid season, a few balls bounce our way, and we’ll then be tough to beat.

Improved coaching with players responding accordingly plus momentum? Sky’s the limit.

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Lphill's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:53 pm

Barry has no less than 8 first rounders on his defense, he is the question mark.

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T7Steve's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:45 am

You don't have to be perfect to win football games. You don't even need perfect results. You have many ways to get wins. QB is only one of those and what might make the difference in the playoffs, but till then the team needs to carry and support HIM, not the other way around.

Packer fans can write the book on the truth of that.

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coolhand's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:47 am

You are so right there T7 Steve. Just look at the Vikings last season and how they won games.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:39 pm

Oof! Bad example, hopefully we aren't looking like that, lol.

AR12's first year as a starter, look how many games he LOST

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 26, 2023 at 01:38 pm

Rodgers didn't lose games as a first-year starter. The team did. He was 4th in yards, 4th in TDs and had a decent QB rating for a first year player. The defense let them down a lot that year. I think you would have to give more analysis to say what losses were Rodgers' fault in 2008.

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ReaganRulz's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:51 am

It’s pretty simple…we are either half-full or half-empty on all of this. And it’s all good cuz it stirs up spirited conversations.

Yes, we can look at a team or player’s past history but the reality is that every situation is different. With current coaches, current personnel, blah blah. And 2024 will be one for the record books considering we are transitioning with a new QB along with all of the yout’s. Definitely exciting whether you are 1/2 full or 1/2 empty.

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Coldworld's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:55 am

Teams with truly bad QBs don’t win Superbowls. However, nor do great QBs win without a good team around them. For that matter, few poor coaching staffs have succeeded too. It maybe a QB centric world, but it is still very much a team sport, and that includes not only the other players but the coaching.

It’s interesting to me that I think few would argue that Rodgers was on a different level in 2009 as compared to 2008. Yet Rodgers’ rookie season was the best on record. Even for a guy who had sat for 3 years and would go on to be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame, the best ever rookie season, albeit surrounded by a lot of veteran offensive talent, wasn’t him at his best. I think it helps to remember that going in to the first season with Love.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:44 pm

Exactly! Equalling AR12's 6 wins in his first year as a starter is really "the standard." I just want to see the current coaching staff develop all 90 + PS before week 1. Once regular season starts everything's all different, but getting 100% effort out of every player on every down was a failure of coaching last year from what I could see. They can redeem themselves NOW ...

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mrtundra's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:16 am

Remember that we also drafted WR Grant DuBose, in the 7th Round. 7th round picks, especially WR picks, by GBP, have a way of being really good at their positions. GO PACK, GO!!!

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T7Steve's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:37 am

I think people forget how fantastic a player has to be to be even drafted in the NFL.

Look at the talent that hooks up even as UDFAs.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:32 pm

That's right Pop!

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Deepsky's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:37 am

The quarterback is only one piece, but quarterback play affects the entire team. We Packers fans have been spoiled for a long time. I am old enough to remember what it was like prior to the arrival of Favre and Rodgers. When a QB is bad, fans blame the offensive line, the receivers, the defense, the coaches. But its really bad QB play. Favre and Rodgers could escape pressure and make plays when there was nothing. Packer fans under 40 don't realize how rare this is. In the second game of 1992, with Holgren as coach, but with a washed up Majkowski as starter, the Packers were destroyed by a bad Bucs team 31-3. The Packers gave up 6 sacks in that game. The next game would be Favre's famous win against Cincinatti, he would take over as starter. When Favre started for the Packers against the Bucs later in 1992, the Packers would win, Favre was sacked only once. Same exact team. Different quarterback.

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:23 am

"I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work." -- Thomas Edison in reference to his failed attempts in developing the light bulb.

The Packers have found 12 ways that didn't work in winning a SB between the last title and the upcoming 2023 season. They've decided to try something different for trial 13. It might end up not being the right combination this time, but trotting back personnel, cap, and dynamics that have been proven misses were sure ways NOT to get it done.

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T7Steve's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:34 am

Hop on the bus Gus. Get a new plan Stan. Don't need to be coy Roy......

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Give this til 2025 to gel, and get out of salary cap hell to be able to afford talent at whatever weak spots might remain. Til then it's primarily about developing the metric buttload of new talent already acquired, and two more drafts to add depth and maybe a starter or 3 at key positions.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:00 pm

No kidding! We’ve indeed added an ass ton of talent recently, with 24 newly drafted players in the last two years alone.

Currently the Packers have 11 more picks projected for 2024.

What gets me is I think Gutekunst might be hitting some rare air, from a GM/draft success standpoint. Too early to say with certainty, but I believe his last two drafts have the potential to be his best work.

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dobber's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:00 pm

boop

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:23 pm

Ditto GG!!!

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:16 am

Favre also threw a combined 37 interceptions his first 2 years. It got so bad Holmgren nearly benched him. It wasnt all sunshine and unicorns.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:12 pm

Think of all of the Super Bowls Mark Brunell would have won if Holmy would have benched Favre...

I loved Brett Favre, he sure made the games exciting, but Brunell was pretty damn good in his own right. If he were starting for Holmgrens packers instead of Jax, GB would have had more than 1 SB in that era.

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BA4Packers's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:37 am

It seems most still do not get that the top 6 receivers, including TE have less than 1200 nfl snaps between them. JLove could be Aarod and still struggle with the vast amount of inexperience in the receiver room. MLF telling everyone to temper expectation for JLove includes the huge learning curve for everyone.
R E L A X

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:12 am

But what youre forgetting is that those young guys only have to learn 1 offense now. They dont have to worry about muh hand signals and muh chemistry. They wont have to walk on eggshells. They wont have to worry about a single missed audible or single dropped pass leading them directly to the qb's doghouse. Not to mention, the offense they are learning is literally designed to make life easier for skill players. It creates wide open looks for pass catchers and giant running lanes for rbs. All they have to do is their jobs and they'll be just fine. No more petty bs. Just football.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:50 pm

Hopefully it works out like that ...

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:14 pm

That is the Matt LaFleur referendum in a nutshell...

Scheme can only do so much, we will see what MLF can supply this year while the "kids" get up to speed. It will be a synthesis of both coming together if success is to be had.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:34 pm

Just football. Can't wait!

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golfpacker1's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:27 am

Personally, I am excited for this team. We have some great young talent that will make mistakes and have ESPN highlights in the same games. Our offense has a chance to make the whole team better though by moving the chains. We easily have our best TE group, talent wise, that we have had in a long time. Pretty much we haven't used the TE position as a weapon and that has given defenses free reign to concentrate on the WRs and the running game. That advantage for them starts to go away for our opponents this year. Yeah, they are young and there is a learning curve, but I think at minimum we get 80 catches out of the group this year. That would go a long way toward moving the chains, sustaining drives, and keeping the defense fresher by not being on the field so much. Add the bonus of more open WRs plus our already strong running game. Even AR would have liked this group of weapons. J Love will too.

Time of possesion for us and keeping the serious injury bug away could get us 7-10 wins this year. But I would be happy if the younger players contribute and get better all year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:55 pm

Yup! IF the O line can dominate, the run game will too. Then most targets can be RE and RB, and it's YAC from short throws.

Deep throws only need to be occasional, and yes Christian Watson CAN be used as a target only when he's wide open. Which could result in him being a TD specialist!

Very exciting potential with this group, regardless how many wins they get this season. (Although at least matching the 6 of AR's first year as a starter would be ... nice)

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Tundraboy's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:36 pm

'Pretty much we haven't used the TE position as a weapon and that has given defenses free reign to concentrate on the WRs and the running game. That advantage for them starts to go away for our opponents this year."

I can't wait. But even if it takes a few years I'm good. Football the way it should be.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:05 am

Been saying this for a while now. Yes, Love has to play well. But what is more important is how this offense operates as a whole. Even Mark Murphy said yesterday on Bill Michaels' show that were gonna see a more pure version of Lafleur's offense. Those of us who have been repeating that same sentiment here for a long time have been vindicated. We were right all along. And now this offense is about to explode with Love under center and Lafleur calling the shots.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:58 pm

Nobody's vindicated yet. This is preseason, it's about developing everybody, all 90 + PS.

We'll see about "vindicated" once the playoffs are here. Regardless, 2025 is our first real chance to contend; get out from under salary cap hell and fill any weaknesses that might remain. It's all about development until then ...

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:03 pm

You obviously missed my point which was we havent even seen the coach's actual offensive philosophy because of Rodgers. This was confirmed by Mark Murphy himself. Hes literally the Team President. If 49ers can dominate with Brock fricken Purdy running the same offense, then this team can ball with Jordan Love.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:17 pm

I remember MLF fist pumping when the Love pick was made.

He knew what he needed to succeed.

He got it and then had to endure MVP seasons from a great QB who was already in GB. His vision had to sit on the sidelines while AR and his great talent provided winning football.

Those days are now gone.

It...
Is...
Time!!!

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jont's picture

May 26, 2023 at 10:11 am

"With two pass-catching tight ends, no blocking specialist on the roster, and a fully-healed Josiah Deguara to play H-back, the Packers offense will change noticeably."

To be sure, we will continue to read about the 2023 offense as merely proof that 12 changed all the plays at line and that young Love is a mere shadow of 12's mastery of the offense, but the truth will be that the Packers offense will change noticeably regardless of who's QB. And there will be non-illusory complexity for so many players of limited experience leading to some sloppy ball from time to time.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 01:00 pm

Nothing's for sure now. Expect lots of surprises this season!

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 04:19 pm

My dear Jont, it is only an ILLUSION of complexity...

It is actually very user friendly for the offense, it is complex for the defense...

That is what makes it work.

If it were complex for the offense, this baby would be stillborn.

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jont's picture

May 26, 2023 at 05:01 pm

Sehr geerhte Herr Blut,

Ja, ich verstehe, daß it an illusion should be, but I truly worry that with all young guys at the 'skill positions' we're going to see mistakes in execution, and we know from last season how one guy blowing a pass route leads to chaos in the whole pattern, and Aaron Jones's ribs will show us what a missed blocking assignment means.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:44 pm

If the hand signals are a thing of the past, there is a better chance of less missed routes or assignments.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:53 pm

He may run more Air Raid in his attack if he understands his player's strengths. They've run those plays since pee wees. Vector offense. Running from more power sets with a Fullback. These TEs are not going to stand around wondering why the sky is blue. They will contribute.

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Qoojo's picture

May 26, 2023 at 11:14 am

The article kind of triggered me. I hate seeing the QB vs QB stats for game records. I remember ARs first year starting and some idiot fans kept saying that he couldn't come from behind. I swear there was one game were packers came back but left 30 seconds on clock, and still lost. I expect the same stupidity this year with some comments.

As packers fan, you have to be excited about the overall speed upgrade with WRs. Then in the philly game, you can see Love has some skill at prolonging plays. Combine that with the possibility of running some plays that AR would most likely change, it's a bit exciting.

Just think, we might not have to watch every ****ing offensive play wait till 0/1 sec on play clock. Dare I say that we might even see a snap with 5 secs or even 10 secs if the offense is in rhythm and playing well.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 01:03 pm

I really want to see some hurry up offense added to the mix. Catching the opposing defense when they're completely not ready can be part of the game. So can catching them with 12 men on the field. THEN add the psych 'em out factor for a "free play" once in a while if you can ...

This season should be a nice change of pace, regardless :)

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Tundraboy's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:30 pm

I think most of all this year I'm going to savor and enjoy not yelling every offensive series, to hike the dam ball! I'll be able to watch a game normally.

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Pierre's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:32 pm

That’s a key factor in favor of a defense when the QB keeps taking the snap as the play clock is about to expire. When Rodgers did this the defense positively knows when the snap must take place and can tee off with their pass rush. Rodgers also taking so long to get plays off led to needless TO’s that should have been saved for the end of games instead. That was very frustrating to watch, Rodgers so often not getting plays off until the clock was close to zero.

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PackfanNY's picture

May 26, 2023 at 11:25 am

I agree with the article to a point. Jordan Love IS just one piece to the puzzle. However, he is the BIGGEST piece to that puzzle. No he doesn’t have to dazzle. He isn’t Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre. He needs to be Jordan Love. Those players cast a large shadow so it will be tough. Fans, players, coaches will all be comparing him to those two. Not fair but it WILL happen. The team needs to be built around things Jordan Love does best.

The Packers will need competence and leadership. He hasn’t really “played” but he is not a first year player. Sure there are other new players but it’s a fact that no one can sink a season faster than a bad QB. That’s exactly why he needs to be competent and be the Leader. If he doesn’t the season will unravel. If he does, no matter what the record, the Packers will have their guy for not only next season but into the future.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

May 26, 2023 at 01:07 pm

Decade. Maybe two. JL10 just needs to be competent and he can be the franchise QB for a very long stretch. And I think he'll flash greatness on top of mere competence; we'll see.

I line's importance cannot be overstated. Coach screwed that up royally the first half of last season, in game adjustments need to become a thing.

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SensualInfluence's picture

May 26, 2023 at 12:24 pm

Wins and losses is the ONLY QB stat that matters. Only a goof would say that wins and losses aren’t a QB stat because it’s a fact that I can find the win/loss record for any quarterback that has ever started a game in the NFL. That can’t be said for any other position in football.

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croatpackfan's picture

May 26, 2023 at 01:53 pm

We can all agree that QB should be the leader of the team. The one who sets the tone and "helps" others on the team to play as good as they can. Not only, or exclusively, by his playing, but with his attitude, care for team and care for results.

Everything what I see from Jordan Love up to day is that he is very mature person for his age and that he knows how to be leader. And that is first thing starting QB has to show.

Level of QB play very often depends not only on him, by also of the complete team. It does not matter if he will throwing dimes to his receiving targets if those targets will not catch the ball. On the other hand, his offense can help him to correct some bad throws catching them if they are in the radius of their capabilities.

Last what we saw from Jordan Love in game was that he throws with anticipation and confidence in his teammates. He didn't throw one pass to stationary target. He throws the ball where players should be when ball comes to them. If players will run wrong routes there will be incompletes and interceptions.

So, yes, every victory should be team victory as every loss should be team loss. But, considering the fact that everybody expects from starting QB to be the leader of the team, many are more inclined to talk about QB wins and loses. Both points of view, by my opinion are worth.

I'm Jordan love suporter from very first moment Packers drafted him (never heard about him before Packers pick him), because I started to investigate him as QB and found some interesting private data from his life. His mature behaviour are consistant to his childhood and things that happened to him during his young age.

That is the reason why I believe that he will be another great QB for Packers and us, Packers fan.

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13titles's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:18 pm

Very true article. Quarterback can drag a team down but there are 11 on the field and great running teams have won in the past.
Also there are 3 phases and whilst I believe that special teams has improved, it is a dereliction that the defence had a big opportunity to improve but decided to stick with the old way of proven failure. No doubt this will end up putting extra pressure on Love and and passing to score fast points.

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White92's picture

May 26, 2023 at 06:43 pm

All these new "weapons"?? Dude. You are talking about a few second year guys and a couple of rookies. The kool-aid that goes on around here is astounding. Y'all had better temper your expectations, or you are going to be severely disappointed. I hope you are right, but sometimes you have to separate your head from your heart.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

May 26, 2023 at 09:14 pm

Tempering expectations is for losers. This is Titletown.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

May 26, 2023 at 07:56 pm

But will the receivers trust the QB? I’ve heard it’s all about trust… lol

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GatorJason's picture

May 26, 2023 at 08:34 pm

QB stirs the drink. He must be solid if team has any chance to compete. The opening image of Jordan for this article scares me. He shows no eye discipline. Safeties love QBs who give away their intentions by staring down their targets. Jordan's throwing motion is too elongated in the image. If he plans on holding the ball like in opening picture, he will have an arm injury within four games and if not, will lead the league in fumbles. Hopefully that picture is just an aberration from his first year in uniform and he has since learned better technique in both areas. If not, next guy up! I want Jordan Love to succeed but the lack of excitement shown by teammates in three years of practices speaks volumes. Conversely, a guy like Mahomes had teammates screaming praises based on his extraordinary performances in practice during his rookie year on the bench. Jordan Love by comparison was milk toast. Shoot, WRs stayed out of camp last year when Aaron decided to frolic around in Hawaii with his girlfriend. Do you think they would do that if they thought Jordan was a future star QB. Yeah, me neither.

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May 27, 2023 at 06:50 pm

I can't give you guys a link but if you can look up an article on Wisconsin Sports Heroics about Jordan Love and his effect on the team, it will be well worth your time. Interviews with Reed and Wicks and Love are exactly what I wanted to hear. It sounds like Love and all of his young WRs are building strong chemistry. They are all about the same age and can relate to each other better than with Rodgers. Plus Love is working hard with the young guys for the good of the team.

Also, the Packers WR coach was interviewed by ESPN, and he paints a sorry picture of the great Aaron Rodgers, his work ethic by showing up late, and lack of patience with the WRs. And how he would treat them when they made mistakes. This is a great article and I hope you can find it. Yes Rodgers was hurt last year, but if he had made any kind of effort to help the new players acclimate to the team and the NFL, things might have been different last year. Good riddance to the TOOL that AR is. Maybe we will have a TEAM again.

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golfpacker1's picture

May 27, 2023 at 06:55 pm

I read the article on MSN. It was titled: Green Bay Packers : Jordan Love has been amazing for young WRs.

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