Remember Aaron Rodgers’ First Preseason?

Taking a look back at Aaron Rodgers' first preseason. 

Jordan Love will enter his first preseason when the Green Bay Packers take on the Houston Texans this Saturday. Fans are eagerly anticipating the debut of the first-round quarterback who is supposed to take over for Aaron Rodgers at some point. Don’t expect Love to jump off the page right away, as there will be plenty of growing pains before and likely after he becomes the starter. With Love set to play in his first preseason game, it is important to remember how Rodgers looked in his first preseason back in 2005.

 

This video shows how far Rodgers has come. Over the years, his mechanics went through a drastic change to help turn him into a league MVP. However, there is something mnemonic about these highlights.

Rodgers was a scrappy young quarterback drafted to back up a future Hall of Famer. What else is there to do but play like you have something to prove?

Remember, Rodgers had a chip on his shoulder after falling to 24 in the 2005 NFL Draft.

Just look at his scramble against the New England Patriots and watch as Rodgers gets in the face of a member of their secondary. He was a ball of energy and a feisty one at that. Rodgers did a lot of scrambling that August. In fact, a good portion of the video is him running for his life behind a makeshift offensive line and diving headfirst for a first down.

When Rodgers did have time to throw, he checked the ball down. He took what the defense gave him by dumping it off to a roster longshot. Honestly, longtime Packers fullback William Henderson was of the few recognizable players to catch a pass from Rodgers in the entire video.

In the few instances that the ball traveled more than 10 yards, it was clear Rodgers had an arm. Much like Love, arm talent was never really a question with Rodgers. However, just like Rodgers, it will take Love time to find his groove.

The journey begins Saturday.

 

 

 

Brandon Carwile is a Packers writer who also enjoys watching and breaking down film. Follow him on Twitter @PackerScribe.

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Bear's picture

August 13, 2021 at 12:32 pm

Rodgers stats his first three years.

Aaron Rodgers

Year. YDS. TD. INT. RATING.

2005. 65. 0. 1. 39.8

2006. 46. 0. 0. 48.2

2007. 218. 1. 0. 106.0

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Bure9620's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:03 pm

Yes, Rodgers was awful that first preseason......I remember wondering how this guy is a 1st round pick. Many draft people saying "see this is why Rodgers fell in the draft"

It was really not even until that game in Dallas did the Packers feel they had a guy that could become "the guy"

Many say they saw Rodgers in practice and they knew then....not sure I buy that....you don't k know what you have until live bullets fly and the same is true for Love.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:05 pm

Rodgers could have started the NFC CH game @ Lambeau in 2007 and won it.

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Bure9620's picture

August 13, 2021 at 11:35 pm

Yes possibly, I was referring more to the '05 season

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EddieLeeIvory's picture

August 14, 2021 at 05:58 am

I was at THAT game in Dallas in 2007!
Rodgers, in primetime, showed he was ready.

Had he started in that 2007 NFC Championship game vs the Giants in that 20-below zero freezer, we would have won.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:19 pm

Rodgers wasn't drafted to replace Favre, he was made available and GB got him.
Love was drafted to replace Rodgers, and the FO made the move to secure him.

Rodgers had a chip because of his fall on in the draft. and proceeded to prove the other teams wrong.
Love knew he was a 2nd round selection at best and was likely shocked that GB wanted him while having Rodgers under a new deal. He has no chip on his shoulder and any chip that's placed there is not like that of Rodgers's chip.

Rodgers's three seasons helped the FO to have time to make the decision to move on from Favre and his antics. Love was drafted with the hope he could help the FO move on from Rodgers sooner than later, but Covid ruined that and the FO now needs Love to make it so, but Rodgers tossed a wrench in that thinking last season and will attempt the same this season. Can it really be so easy to move on from Rodgers after this season with another near-no in-game play season for Love? That's asking a lot from a QB based on preseason play that so many values as nothing until they need to use it as a huge something, like false justification.

Rodgers had much to deal with as the newly drafted QB. The fans didn't want him, like him, Favre didn't want him, like him, or willing to work with him. Players probably didn't like him either because they wanted and loved Favre.

Love is being embraced and heralded as the next HOF QB being the third in a row based on what, other than those upset with Rodgers's contract and recent fight with the FO.

Love hasn't had to fight for anything since being drafted and may not have to, and that can be an issue.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:40 pm

"Love knew he was a 2nd round selection at best..." ? I'm curious, what is your source / proof to this statement?

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:17 pm

Not a single sports outlet, pundit, or assumed expert had Love going in the first round like a true first-rounder. Talk of him being on the Packers and Indy radar made him a possibility, and then a reality.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 13, 2021 at 04:53 pm

But "not a single sports outlet, pundit, or assumed expert " - is not Jordan Love - whom you've cited. Therefore my questioning the credibility of your statement.

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Coldworld's picture

August 13, 2021 at 04:12 pm

That’s as much fiction as your first statement.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 13, 2021 at 04:54 pm

I suppose you are talking about "single sports outlet, pundit or assumed expert" who were claiming that Johnny "the football" Manziel and Tim Tibow are those great 1st round picks?

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4thandinches's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:24 pm

I had to click 1 link before finding your statement to be false.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2020/04/19/draft-big-bo...
#facts

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 14, 2021 at 05:52 pm

There's a huge difference between some sports guy on a website and a true sports analyst, and tossing in the name of a QB to enhance the number of QB's that can be taken in the first and those who actually are 1st rounder talent. Sure a team might make the selection and take a QB in the first that shouldn't because another real 1st round talent is gone, but that doesn't make that QB a true 1st round talent. Wait for a second, that's what GB did, they drafted a QB whose name was nothing more than a toss-in to enhance the number of QBs as in 2011 IIRC, Ponder, Breeden, etc. They have a field day that year making all QB's 1st rounders.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

August 15, 2021 at 02:02 pm

Why don’t you drop the names of your true draft analysts instead of blowing a smokescreen?

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:06 pm

He was rated between 22 and 29 by Real Draft afficianados and scouts.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:24 pm

That made me curious, too. The assertion that the cognoscenti didn’t have Love as a first rounder are spreading a fiction because multiple draft sites had him listed in the 25-40 range.

Drafttek had him at #17. TheHuddleReport had him as a first rounder who would benefit from not having to start right away.

Jordan Love, going into the draft, was a legitimate franchise QB/ first rounder. That’s the truth.

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Guam's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:30 pm

Concur Leatherhead. I also looked back at several 2020 mock drafts and found others (NFL TR had him at #19 for example) that had Love mocked in the first round. Love was always viewed as something of a developmental prospect, but many pundits believed he was a first round talent.

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PearlyBakerBest's picture

August 13, 2021 at 09:26 pm

The silence is telling.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:42 pm

This whole chip on a players shoulder is so media manufacturered. All BS! Do you think a chip on your shoulder as you say makes you a better player? Ridiculous! A chip on the shoulder or the use of a two by four and a boot may temporarily motivate you for a brief moment (you see it in sports and in corporate settings), but it is very short! If you were ever an athlete you either have the fortitude and drive to be the best you can be or you dont. Love is motivated to be his best and he doesnt have to be tested or have a chip on his shoulder for some ridiculous reason.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:08 pm

"This whole chip on a player's shoulder is so media manufactured. All BS! "

The 'chip on his shoulder' was the battle cry for over a decade, and now it doesn't exist or ever did as part of a player's desire to succeed. The biggest flip-flop of a belief or just more needed manufactured denial.

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PatrickGB's picture

August 14, 2021 at 09:56 am

“Chip on shoulder” is a way of expressing angry motivation due to perceived slight or insult. Rodgers made a remark about how the niners would regret not selecting him #1 in that draft. Rodgers also made a remark about needing the team to get behind him when he replaced Farve and was booed at home. Yes, I can see motivation and desire to succeed. I see that from Z too. A bit of that is helpful because it keeps a player pushing himself. Too much of it makes a player resentful and self centered.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 14, 2021 at 01:43 pm

"Rodgers made a remark about how the niners would regret not selecting him #1 in that draft."

That remark from Aaron Rodgers was especially fulfilled 2 times during 2019 season...

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cpabandit's picture

August 15, 2021 at 07:22 am

Chip on the shoulder is not motivation. Talent and motivation are separate. Rodgers record against the Niners in regular season is 5 - 3. In playoffs (when motivation is at it's peak) against the Niners he is 0 - 3.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:10 pm

The recent reports say otherwise about what happened on draft day. They never thought they would get a chance at Love but the WRs they had targeted came off the board. So there was no big plan to replace Rodgers and move him out the door. It was a completely in-the-moment choice based on how the draft board fell and what value the player potentially offered. Same thing happened with Rodgers in that draft. They never thought they would be in a position to take him, but felt it was the right move when it happened. Love is not being universally embraced and heralded as the next HOF QB. Anybody with any common sense sees the potential in his arm, but the reality remains to be seen. It's just potential for the first couple of years. What did Rodgers have to fight for that Love hasn't had to fight for? it's just too easy to see the similarities in their situations, except that Rodgers is outplaying Favre at this point in their career paths and he didn't spend a couple off seasons waffling about retirement as Favre did.

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Coldworld's picture

August 14, 2021 at 08:06 am

Rodgers certainly outplayed Favre last season, but Favre was possibly at least as good over his last 4 if one considers availability. I agree that Favre watch was more protracted, but I suppose the recent off season was a Rodgers watch of sorts.

The problem is always that one can’t know when the drop off starts without hindsight. Favre’s availability is likely to remain unique (in part due to concussion protocols etc evolving).

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Leatherhead's picture

August 14, 2021 at 03:10 pm

It’s the 10 years . After the Super Bowl win, it was 10 years for Favre, and Rodgers, without another. Some good teams in those 20 years, but some bad playoff failures.

IMO, if you’ve come up short 10 times in a row, it’s probably time to let somebody else try.

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mbpacker's picture

August 13, 2021 at 03:25 pm

How are you at predicting the stock market and stock picks?

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:09 pm

The crash is coming, best bee prepared.

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murf7777's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:23 pm

Your full of it…..on April 23rd, SI gambling set the over under at least 16.5. That’s the middle of the second. Com on man quit siting BS. Some had him as possibly going top ten but most middle to late first round.

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Oppy's picture

August 13, 2021 at 08:44 pm

"Love is being embraced and heralded as the next HOF QB"
Holy strawman.

Who's heralding Love as the next HOF QB for GB?

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Oppy's picture

August 14, 2021 at 06:44 am

I’ll take the two thumbs down and no comment as a resounding “there really isn’t a significant base of people claiming Love is a HOF talent, so I’ll just dislike the comment as a means of expressing my frustration I’ve been called out for being ridiculous again.”

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HarryHodag's picture

August 14, 2021 at 10:12 am

Wrong on the Rodgers draft. Ted Thompson took the full opportunity to draft a QB because Favre had been noodling around about retirement. TT didn't think Rodgers would be there, but having the opportunity to develop a QB to replace Favre HE TOOK IT.
I don't know where you get the idea that Love is being 'embraced and heralded'. If you read this and other boards at all a majority are already calling him a bust.

“We forget everything. What we remember is not what actually happened, not history, but merely that hackneyed dotted line they have chosen to drive into our memories by incessant hammering.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

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Reghamster's picture

August 15, 2021 at 02:12 am

Nice to see the Solzhenitsyn comment! Boy do I miss his comments on cheesehead tv from back in the day.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 14, 2021 at 02:13 pm

Read Love's off field story and you will lose your opinion of a pampered Football player.

Most of what you post, per usual, is opinion and feelings....not facts or substance.

Most drafts had Love as a 1st rounder.

And Rodgers WAS drafted to replace Favre one day. How do I know? Ted used his first rounder to snag him. Just because a team does not trade up does not mean they did not want a player.

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scourge's picture

August 14, 2021 at 04:14 pm

Yeah, this is just objectively wrong. The Chargers were debating between Herbert and Love up until the draft. Love "knew" he was a 2nd round pick?

And I don't even know how to respond to the 2nd part that Rodgers was so unwanted and Favre "wasn't willing to work with him," which is also not correct, but you believe Love has been embraced by Packers nation?

I'm sorry, this is all revisionist history. And I love Rodgers as well...but you don't NEED this huge slight to be great. Mahomes didn't have it. Watson didn't have it. Elway...I mean, it's a manufactured thing.

I can tell you're a huge Rodgers fan, but maybe take a step back as right now you're literally using his own words, "threw a wrench in their plans." I think it's most likely the Packers just drafted a QB they thought was REALLY good and whom they'd control for 5 years because they had an aging QB.

I think this master plan to force Rodgers out is part of Rodgers imagination. I believe it was quite literally...a backup plan. A young player they believed had talent whom they could develop and who would still be under contract when Rodgers contract ran out. I do NOT believe when they drafted him they ever thought "well, we'll move Rodgers at this point."

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Oppy's picture

August 14, 2021 at 09:48 pm

Brett Favre did indeed flat out tell the press it wasn't his job to help teach Aaron Rodgers.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:19 pm

Rodger's was awful and also seemed very fragile and injury prone. I was highly depressed at the time because I was a huge Favre fan. I have learned that there is a process and things like developing into a top QB takes time. The same goes for Love and the only way his development is going to happen is thru experience. There will be growing pains and many will question the decision much like I did with Rodgers. I will not allow myself to despair even with mistakes and turnovers. At the present, I have no idea at what point I might come to think the Packers missed on Love because I refuse to think negatively. The old adage is the glass half full, or half empty. Many posters whom I have deep respect for they demand Love proves to them he is the guy, otherwise he was a mistake. I look at Love as being THE GUY until he proves otherwise! Somehow...I am confidant that is a monster difference, and exactly how the GBP's are looking at Love.

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Savage57's picture

August 14, 2021 at 05:54 am

This was a good article to see because it resets the background for the inevitable comparisons for Love to Rodgers from a rookie to a 13-year starter to one which compares him to a nervous, inexperienced rookie with really janky mechanics.

Fans need that to make more fair judgments because fans tend to have short memories and long expectations.

I don't know if Love's got any of the intangibles Rodgers has which makes him the QB he is, but I'm betting Love for the most part looks an awful lot like this when he's getting his NFL cherry popped.

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Coldworld's picture

August 14, 2021 at 08:20 am

The two things that I remember from fans in the first 2 years of Rodgers in Green Bay are a conviction that he was made of glass and that he struggled mightily if his first read and check down were taken away. Well, I think we can admit that proved mistaken.

For those who scoff, remember GB took Brohm as insurance in 2008 because even the Packers weren’t entirely certain. That gets lost in how awful Brohm proved to be.

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scourge's picture

August 14, 2021 at 04:17 pm

LOL...I'm sorry, "Fans need that to make more fair judgments."

That's not what Fans do! I remember fans wanting Davante Adams cut(well, just name a WRer other than Cobb as they all struggled with drops early on).

I remember hearing how fragile Rodgers was, I remember hearing how weak his arm strength was...all of that. And when he struggled, he was a bust. After the Cowboys game, he was a right handed Steve Young.

Most fans react instantly and without much nuance. It'd be nice if they did, but it'll never be how the MAJORITY of a fan base operates.

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stockholder's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:40 pm

I remember. And the roll outs. The Runs. The Throws.- ( When he was given Time.) The guy turned into Bart Starr. His smarts came out. The perseverance. The only thing I need to see from Love, is can he control himself. He's a back-up. He shouldn't be compared to Rodgers in anyway. The whole NFL knows the Packers will suck, if Rodger's Leaves. Put on a Rodgers shirt. And I'll bet anyone; " people will come up and tell you that." Regardless of the team. The respect Rodgers has around the NFL was earned. Love isn't nipping at Rodgers heels. It's the press. Love will be shoved down are throats. And this franchise has/will suffer because of it.

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Tingham's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:49 pm

I hope you and Taryn never have a love child. The world isnt ready for that level of negativity.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 14, 2021 at 07:38 am

Tingham,
The best quote on CCTV this year!

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 14, 2021 at 02:29 pm

And you know Taryn is a woman, how exactly? All that glitters is not gold.

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scourge's picture

August 14, 2021 at 04:19 pm

Yeah...the Packers sucked when Rodgers took over as well. And that was 4 years after he was drafted.

So I would guess you'd be right. IF the Packers and Rodgers don't come to an agreement after this season and IF Love takes over...yes, I'm guessing they will suck. And probably worse than they did with Rodgers as Love probably won't be Rodgers.

They may very well be better off over the next 15 years, but I won't pretend to know for certain.

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TheVOR's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:41 pm

I remember he popped off the screen for me personally, arm talent was there, used his legs, was an excellent prospect, reasonable decisions. You could see real potential, unlike the present situation with another #1 draft pick QB. His transformation in throwing style was terrifically evident, yet he had the arm talent on display, it was more about his release.

I would never fault a GM for selecting QB's, Ron Wolf did it all the time, and it paid huge dividends for GB. The thought of watching Rodgers in any other uniform next season, and season ticket holders having to endure the Jordan Love experiment, which is destined to end badly, makes me nauseous.

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dblbogey's picture

August 13, 2021 at 01:58 pm

You really think Love has no potential? Same old Vor.

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Coldworld's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:20 pm

Anyone who says that Rodgers popped off the screen in his first preseason needs to take memory supplement. We were still trying to find reasons to be optimistic a year later. He was better, had two feet but was just as likely to throw it to them as us. He did flash at times in 2006 though. And he was determined, but few thought he was a starter.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:21 pm

Just needed to attend Practices to see Rodgers talent. He could keep the pace with Favre.

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Coldworld's picture

August 14, 2021 at 08:23 am

I did, I saw an arm, but one that misfired. I recall standing amid fans livid that we’d picked him. I call BS on that in both years.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:18 pm

TheVor!
Rodgers arm talent his rookie year was not all that impressive as I recall. However, over those first 3 or 4 years (back then they had that QB program/school) I never saw a QB's arm change and improve like Rodgers did. Very impressive!

Love has a legitimate and strong arm from the get go, but it is your comment "the Love experiment, which is destined to end badly, makes me nauseous" that bewilders me? How do you, or any of us know whether he is going to be a great QB, a bust, or something in-between?

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:15 pm

I truly don't want to see Rodgers in another uniform if he is still playing at a high level. I might follow him instead of the Pack, just in my anger that the FO managed to alienate what may be the most talented and accomplished GBP player ever to put on a jersey. But to say "You could see real potential, unlike the present situation with another #1 draft pick QB," is more than ridiculous. Love didn't get an off-season last year and we have no idea what he can do. How old are you? Not old enough to know you can't know what you don't know? Not old enough to know we don't have answers in life unless life plays out before us? We won't know if Love will succeed until Love succeeds . . . or doesn't. Period.

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scourge's picture

August 14, 2021 at 04:28 pm

I will do what Pats fans did and likely root for him and the Packers.

But I'll be honest, the way he's gone about it has really bothered me. Had he gone to the front office in 2015 and asked to be part of the recruiting process or the decision making process, ok.

But Wolf didn't include Favre, neither did Sherman or Thompson.
Thompson never included Rodgers.

But this March as he offered his services despite knowing the organization had no money, THAT'S when he first said something?

It feels like he's upset they drafted love and it's easier to go back and list all of these things that...frankly, even in retrospect don't look great, but easier to do that than just say, "hey, I'm upset they wanted to replace me and not make a commitment to me(which I'd still disagree with since he's played ONE year of a record setting 4 year extension).

And it also feels like he's trying to really blow things up on his way out the door.

So I'll play it by ear. I don't want to see him leave and I WANT to root for him...but I want to see what he's saying as the year goes on and or what he says on his way out. Lets keep in mind this is a guy who returned Christmas Presents to his parents STILL WRAPPED because they had a falling out over politics/religion(reportedly). He's petty.

So all this to say, as long as he doesn't do anything to actively harm the Packers organization...I'd like to root for him if he leaves.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

August 13, 2021 at 02:26 pm

I had a job out of college I worked at for 6 years doing corporate support for a national franchise, starting as an account manager floater (backup), and when I left I was running subscription based digital marketing platform that I had created in the org that was a major revenue driver. I liked and was well liked by my coworkers and my customers (our franchisees) treated me like their wunderkind, sending me holiday gifts, flagging me down for hugs and handshakes (and often a few brews) at our sales conferences, but at some point I knew I wanted out as there was a gulf that opened between myself and our sales leaders. My manager knew my discontent. She tried repairing it, and to his credit, so did our VP where most of the discontent came from, but my decision was made. Even if, by some miraculous swing of events our CEO had decided they'd be better off investing in me than in this VP and offered to remove/replace him, by the time my decision was made I wasn't going to go back. The work I once relished was burning me out, and I was ready for a new challenge.

You have to remember that at the end of the day, this is Rodgers' job, and i am never going to fault him for being ready to move on if that is what he wants to do, nor am I going to fault team leadership for trying to move their franchise forward instead of focusing too much on trying to keep catching past lightning in a bottle. In the NFL, all franchises hit a point where they simply are not going to improve without wholesale change, and while that change may be painful and come with growing pains, the alternative of trying to string things along just invite more, and longer term, pain.

Enjoy the ride, and if this is the last dance, hopefully we can look back at it with fondness instead of regret. We are on the roller coaster and the safety bar is down. All we can do now is ride and choose whether or not we will try to enjoy it.

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Norm's picture

August 13, 2021 at 08:05 pm

“And you want to be my latex salesman…”

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mbpacker's picture

August 13, 2021 at 03:17 pm

I guess the sky is falling , huh?

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:14 pm

He ain't going nowhere. If anybody needs the boot, look to Low ball and Murphy. Rodgers has already Proved he can carry a team. Get younger, faster, stronger and the Cap will bee preserved.

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Oppy's picture

August 13, 2021 at 08:47 pm

Rodgers is gone after 2021

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scourge's picture

August 14, 2021 at 04:20 pm

Yeah, I believe he popped off the screen for you after the Cowboys game.

I do NOT believe he "popped," off the screen his first pre-season.

I think it's easier to say that you knew all along...13 years and 3 MVP's later.

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mbpacker's picture

August 13, 2021 at 03:12 pm

Thanks for the video. It was fun to watch.Not sure we will see a scrappy player like that in Love. He seems to be a more even keel guy so far. Will be fun to watch him progress, with fingers crossed of course! GPG

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 13, 2021 at 03:25 pm

Do we have any data on Rodger's ability to "instinctively" recover a botched snap from center (especially during Family Night) during his first preseason? It's a skill that cannot be taught, and is the number one predictor of a long and successful NFL career.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:32 pm

Ouch. That’s a burn.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 14, 2021 at 07:46 am

Family Night was a scrimmage right? The QB's wore red and they were not to be hit right? What is the big deal about the fumble? Was Love supposed to get on the ground getting hit fighting for a ball?

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Swisch's picture

August 13, 2021 at 03:55 pm

I could be way wrong, but my concern with both Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre is that they went from being compliant with coaching to defiant. They became bigger than the coaches, in their minds, and in effect dared the coaches to overrule them as superstars. They became mostly prima donnas doing largely whatever they wanted.
Not coincidentally, it seems to me, both of their careers suffered significantly in the latter years as far as team success. A similar thing may have happened with Johnny Unitas. When the quarterback challenges the coach, it's poison for the whole team, and an almost insurmountable obstacle in getting over the top.
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One guy who had an absolutely miserable start to his career with the Packers but is the greatest quarterback in team history, and to my mind the history of the NFL, is Bart Starr.
Starr didn't come to the Packers with great expectations as a 17th-round draft pick after injury hindered his days at Alabama -- but even so he was absolutely terrible his first couple of seasons, with I think zero wins as a starter and tons of interceptions.
He seems to have had no presence as a leader, either, as Jerry Kramer describes him at that time as an invisible gas unnoticed by teammates.
Even when Vince Lombardi came along, it took him more than a season to gain a sturdy confidence in Starr. Although Starr showed impressive improvement in that first season, Lombardi was still looking for someone else as his long-term fixture at quarterback.
I'm glad for other fans can to fill in the details and correct any mistakes of mine.
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I would guess most fans remember Bart Starr as a legendary leader of five championships in seven seasons, including three in a row -- something no other quarterback can match including Montana and Brady -- and not from his days of incompetence heading into apparent obscurity.
What Starr seems to have done -- unlike the apparent downfall of both Favre and Rodgers -- is remain coachable.
The grand finale of Starr's career is that last drive against a formidable Dallas Cowboys defense and an inhuman arctic frigidness in the Ice Bowl of 1967. With the offense having gained negative yardage in the second half, Starr somehow moved the team 68 yards over almost five minutes for the famous quarterback sneak that won the game. (A reserve running back named Chuck Mercein came through for half of those yards.)
Before that final dramatic play -- win or lose -- Starr went to the sidelines to talk with Lombardi. He suggested that the field was too slippery for another handoff, and that he could better maneuver into the end zone.
Lombardi said something like, "Then run it and let's get the hell out of here."
That was trust between two great leaders. Lombardi knew that Starr wasn't trying to undermine or upstage or overrule his head coach. With that kind of relationship, Lombardi could rely on Starr giving him advice.
That's how you do it. That's the tiny difference between falling just a little short in a huge playoff game and getting just over the goal line for a legendary victory.
That encapsulates much of why both Lombardi and Starr are the best of all time at their roles in football. They stuck to their respective roles, and focused on reaching their fullest potential.
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As a postscript, I'm still rooting with all my heart for Aaron Rodgers to get it as he approaches probably his last season as a Packer. I truly hope for a glorious finish of a Super Bowl title, or at least one that is largely satisfying, with no regrets, after doing things the right way.
I've been hard on Rodgers, but as a backer of Rodgers. As a longtime fan of his, I truly wish him all the best as a player and person.
How wonderful it would be to see him get out of himself more to reach out more fully to all concerned with the Packers -- teammates, coaches, and fans, plus the front office. That in itself would be a winning conclusion.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 13, 2021 at 04:57 pm

"unlike the apparent downfall of both Favre and Rodgers"

I must have missed Rodger's "downfall". Didn't he just win the MVP after completing a career high 70% of his passes and throwing a career high 48 TDs? Some downfall.

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Swisch's picture

August 13, 2021 at 10:14 pm

As I wrote, both of their careers suffered in the latter years as far as team success. Rodgers hasn't hoisted a Super Bowl trophy for more than a decade, and has since fallen short in four championship games.
I still don't know what Rodgers was doing in the fourth quarter in the most recent championship game against the Bucs as far as following his coach. Maybe he was all on board in cooperation, but maybe he was stubbornly resistant. In any case, the offense stalled in crunch time.
A quarterback can throw for all the yards and all the touchdowns in the world to fill up the record book, but I'm talking about the character attributes that win championships, or at least lead a team to its fullest potential.
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Isn't that what it's supposed to be all about? So many prominent players and coaches and analysts say that the key to a successful career is winning, but do they really mean it?
When players say they care about the win more than about the stats, are they truly ready to sacrifice their stats for the win? Bart Starr was truly ready to make the sacrifice.
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That's one thing I'll be watching for from Rodgers this year, his general demeanor as a leader of the Packers on and off the field.
If he intrudes into areas outside of his role as quarterback, then I see a huge disappointment somewhere along the line, perhaps at the most important moment of the season.
If he is humble enough to stay in his lane and focus on being the quarterback, then I think the Packers can win the Super Bowl.
As is probably evident in my comments, I don't fully trust Rodgers -- but I haven't given up on him, either, and I'm heartily rooting for him.

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Esquetoi's picture

August 13, 2021 at 08:20 pm

Interesting angle. McCarthy was tabbed the QB whisperer but maybe LaFluer is a TE whisperer or some other position that isn't QB centric.

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Swisch's picture

August 13, 2021 at 09:14 pm

For all that Aaron Rodgers talks about loyalty, I sincerely wonder how loyal he was to Mike McCarthy?
One consideration is whether he ever really stuck up for the head coach with whom he had so much success?
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What does seem evident is that in his recent press conference Rodgers threw the front office under the team bus. He trashed the reputations of real people in a way that could damage their careers, as well as their personal standing among family, friends, neighbors, and all who follow the NFL.
This although Rodgers had signed a huge contract without protest in 2018, seemingly after many of the outrages of the front office had taken place according to his accusations.
It's possible Rodgers is right on target in his charges, but I tend to think he's being deceitful and/or delusional. His apparent stunt at that presser really makes me angry.
If I'm basically right about this, then it seems Rodgers acted like a jerk in causing discord among the Packers organization that I think can be destructive of this season on the field.
In that case, it's up to Rodgers to make amends and put the team back on the course to reaching it's fullest potential. I'm rooting for him to rise to the challenge.
So much of this most promising but already threatened season hinges not on the arm of Rodgers, but on his mind and heart.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 13, 2021 at 10:57 pm

Being loyal is all very well. I think MM regressed, grew stale, and probably should have been fired sooner, not later, and certainly should not have been retained. I do not favor keeping a lousy couch out of loyalty to what he had once been. Sadly, that goes for players as they age.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 14, 2021 at 02:27 pm

Yep. MM grew stale alright. Especially stale at accepting lousy defense and STs his last several years.

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Since'61's picture

August 14, 2021 at 08:56 am

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Since'61's picture

August 14, 2021 at 09:31 am

Swisch below is an excerpt from an article by Mike Jones in the 8/12 edition of USA Today;

Maybe this can at least diminish some of the speculation that Rodgers is a subversive force.

"And ever since Rodgers returned to the mix on the eve of training camp, he has thrown himself fully into mentoring and coaching young teammates on both sides of the ball.
“It’s great to have Aaron back here. He has been such a great teammate, such a great leader,” LaFleur said. “He’s always a good teammate. But he’s just been lights out in how he’s bringing along some of our younger players, how he is in the quarterback room. I feel like he’s in a really good place right now.”

BTW, Rodgers did stand up for MM during the 2016 season when the team was 4-6 and many were calling for MMs head. This was right before the team went on its 8-0 run that season led by excellent QB play from Aaron Rodgers. Regrettably after 16 consecutive games without a bye the team reached the NFCCG in Atlanta and just had too many injuries to be competitive.

If Rodgers truly wanted to undermine MM he had the perfect excuse during the 2018 season. During the season opener against the Bears Rodgers suffered afractured tibia and a torn MCL. Yet he not only led a comeback and finished that game he also continued to play every game during the season when he could have easily sat out a few if not several games that season. Yet he showed up and played when he had nothing to prove and the team was going nowhere with an HC who was going through the motions at that point. He continued t o lead the team and play through his injuries. That is what leaders do and how they set the example for their teams. Be well. Thanks, Since '61

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Since'61's picture

August 13, 2021 at 10:51 pm

Swisch you conveniently leave out the fact that Bart Starr played with 11 other HOF players on his team and the GOAT HC. No Lombardi very likely means that we barely remember Starr. Similar to how we think of Lamar Mchan or Babe Parilli in Green Bay.

Favre played with one HOFer for 6 seasons (Reggie White). To date Rodgers has played with one other HOFer (Woodson)for 5 seasons during his career. It's interesting that when both had just one HOFer on the defense they won their SBs.

If you put either Favre or Rodgers, especially, on the Lombardi Packers they probably never lose a game. Both Favre and Rodgers brought more physical talent to the field than Starr. Both were more mobile than Starr. Rodgers is at least as smart as Starr, probably smarter, because defenses are much more complex than they were in Starr's era. Rodgers even at this stage of his career can throw on the run better than Starr ever could on his best day. Rodgers and Favre have 3 MVPs to 1 for Starr.

Yes, Bart was a great leader on the field but make no mistake he leads no one anywhere without the OL that he played behind. Favre or Rodgers never played behind an OL as good as Lombardi's. More importantly neither Favre or Rodgers ever played with a defense as good as Lombardi's defense. Favre had the league's #1 defense in 1996 only. Rodgers has never played with the league's leading defense and has only had a top 10 defense in 2010. Starr had a defense that allowed 9.7 points in their 10 post season games. Except for the 1966 Championship in Dallas, Starr never had to score more than 18 points to win any of the other 9 games.

It's not a knock on Starr but he wasn't as good of a player as Favre or Rodgers or Montana, or Marino or Elway or Brady or Unitas and a few others.
Starr wasn't even the best QB of his era. He was a great player and a great QB but he also played on the greatest team in NFL history. That's just being fair.

As for the roles of Lombardi and Starr, their respective roles have changed drastically since the Lombardi era.
Lombardi would be a different coach if he was coaching today and Starr would be a different player. Lombardi would be still be a great coach. I'm not sure if Starr would be a great QB in this era. Put him on the MM version of the Packers or the current MLF version and I doubt if he is winning MVPs, or SBs. He just wouldn't have the same supporting cast he had back in the 60s. Remember even after Lombardi left Green Bay Starr did not play at the same level as he did during the Lombardi years. For you Starr is a legend. He is a legend for me as well but a legend I actually watched play and I need to be fair about his abilities and his entire career, not just the Lombardi years. Especially when compared with Favre, Rodgers and other QBs since the Lombardi era.

You also need to remember that the teams virtually owned their players back in the Lombardi era. You can be sure that if those players had free agency and the NFLPA that Starr, Nitschke, Hornung, Taylor, Kramer, Willie Davis, Herb Adderley, Willie Wood and others would have all gone to the highest bidder in free agency. Particularly after the second consecutive NFL championship in 1962. There is no way Lombardi or anyone else could have kept that team together in the free agency era. It just couldn't happen.

I'll leave you with part of an article by Mike Jones in the 8/12/21 edition of USA Today:
"And ever since Rodgers returned to the mix on the eve of training camp, he has thrown himself fully into mentoring and coaching young teammates on both sides of the ball.
“It’s great to have Aaron back here. He has been such a great teammate, such a great leader,” LaFleur said. “He’s always a good teammate. But he’s just been lights out in how he’s bringing along some of our younger players, how he is in the quarterback room. I feel like he’s in a really good place right now.”

I hope that these sentences from this excerpt will help to mitigate your concern that Rodgers is a usurper of his team and his coach. It's myth and like all myths their foundation is based on fantasy, hope and rumors.

BTW, Rodgers did stick up for MM during the 2016 season when the team was 4-6 and many wanted MM gone. It was during the week before the Packers went on their 8-0 run that season. Ultimately there were beaten badly by Atlanta in the NFCCG, but after 16 consecutive games without a bye they didn’t have much of a team left when they got to Atlanta. Be well.
Thanks, Since '61

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MainePackFan's picture

August 14, 2021 at 03:55 pm

You my friend are one of the biggest reasons I enjoy this site. Your analysis is always spot on.

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barutanseijin's picture

August 15, 2021 at 08:52 am

Starr had arm trouble at the end of his career. I suspect that and the team’s decline had more to do with his fade out than Lombardi’s departure.

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Jgilmor08's picture

August 13, 2021 at 11:52 pm

Yeah I’m gonna go with way wrong. Generally speaking when the national media tried hard with gaining some life out of this none existent crap. It became the big question going into MLF first season. All they did was go 13-3. The difference between Rodgers ending season being in top two of MVP race was Jones cashing in all of his short yardage goal line runs for touchdowns that season. I think he had like 20 touchdowns that year. AR had 26 tds and 4 int, if Jones reverts to The typical RB mean with 8-10 tds then ARod has 36 tds to 4 int. Statistically he would’ve lost out to Mahomes but those numbers would’ve been top two in mvp race. The point is people try their absolute hardest to find something that never existed. You can’t compare how things were with McCarthy. He was so predictable that every NFC North D coordinator could practically call plays for the Packer O.

1st down 5 step drop, broken down pass pro and wr that can’t get enough separation incomplete
2nd down C gap or B gap run for maybe 1 yard gain.
3rd down 7 step drop, D line gets to T off because of down and distance. Wr can’t get seperation so AR extends play to 5 sec or more until he pulls it out of ass and gets a first down.

McCarthy was an extremely poor play caller who relied on an incredibly talented roster his first few years when the packers excelled. His last 5-6 years were dreadful. But I digress…. Where has there been even the smallest degree of Rodgers undermining MLF? He’s been the epitome of a professional. Espn sells garbage to get viewership. That doesn’t mean everything said on there is truth. It’s why people like skip bayless can have their own show and have zero credibility or information day after day.

I’ll truly listen if you provide truthful facts that show Rodgers defiance to MLF otherwise don’t be afraid to question yourself. All posting incorrect info does is keep the facts hidden and gives the BS legs. ARod is a good teammate, is coachable, talented and passionate about what he does. The organization is the one in the wrong. It’s ok to be wrong sometimes but what’s important is trying to improve.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 14, 2021 at 03:13 am

So, you trully believe Matt LaFleur called 3 times passes to Davante Adams at the last Packers possesion of the last NFCCG?

As I remember correctly on 2nd down OL looks like blocks for run but AR shot was to Adams in double coverage. On 3rd down AR had Lazard and Bob Tonyan completely free in the end zone like ghosts, but AR threw to this time triple coverage on Adams. I understood why MLF call was FG.

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Since'61's picture

August 14, 2021 at 09:34 am

Jgilmor08 - I agree completely. Excellent post!! Keep 'em coming. Thanks, Since '61

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White92's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:23 pm

It's interesting to look at Rodger's first preseason from a nostalgia perspective, but making any parallel to Jordan Love's situation is a fool's errand.

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GP1's picture

August 14, 2021 at 01:10 am

Yes & No.
Foolish to compare but wise to remember that We don't know until we know.
No one knew with Rogers. No one will know with Love.
Buty we will find out

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Coldworld's picture

August 13, 2021 at 05:34 pm

I did not see the Live pick coming. I was definitely irked by it at the time. Then I did a lot of digging. That made me no more certain. Extremely high ceiling but potentially low floor. Reminds me of Favre in some ways. He will take risks and visibly try to carry the team.

There are no questions from film on his physical abilities. The questions are mental processing. That only comes with time (Rodgers) or never (Brohm). But by this point none of that matters. He’s on our roster and I am darn well going to enjoy watching him grow behind Rodgers this year, just as I did Rodgers when most screamed he was made of glass. Only then will I decide whether he’s the real deal or not.

A lot of the memory challenged comments and snap judgments remind me of the 2008 draft: Rodgers v Brohm. If you want a giggle, check this out: https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2013/4/12/4216672/nfl-draft-rewind-aa....

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jurp's picture

August 14, 2021 at 10:25 am

Great video. Love the "I think Brian Brohm has a greater upside than Aaron Rodgers" comment. Same guy said that he wouldn't be surprised if Brohm was starting for the Packers in two years and also said he'd graded Rodgers as an early second-round pick. Wonder what he's doing for a living now?

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

August 13, 2021 at 06:40 pm

Brandon,
Thanks for refreshing my memory about Rodgers. I remember he used to hold the ball up high while he was waiting to throw a pass which was a trademark of Jeff Tillford the University of California Berkley head football coach. It always looks awkward and unnatural to me and that style was changed under Mike Holmgren after he was drafted by the Packers.

Also, thanks for teaching me new words. I had never heard the word "MNEMONIC" and had to look up the meaning. At first I thought you just had a typo, but then I realized you just have a larger vocabulary than I.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 13, 2021 at 07:27 pm

When he was running the CAl offense I viewed bullet passes to the deep out and precise shots in the short game; not much different than Brady as a collegian. There was no doubt he was the Best QB in that draft. A big thank you to albatross Dick Nolan and the inimitable Michael McCarthy for NOT selecting him as the # 1 pick, Thank you, dinosaurs.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 14, 2021 at 07:56 am

MM was a horrible coach IMO! Below average! Ted's presser introducing MM as head coach wasn't he has a high football IQ, but as being "Pittsburgh tough".

MM and TT wasted many good years of an incredible talented ARod.

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HarryHodag's picture

August 14, 2021 at 10:15 am

Lets get the season going so we can talk football and not Aaron Rodgers' latest trauma.

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wildbill's picture

August 14, 2021 at 01:50 pm

I was at Rodgers first training camp day and was upset we used a first round pick on him as he looked awful. But I was also upset we gave a first round pick for a third string QB sitting on the Falcon’s bench. I’ve pretty much learned to let the people that get paid to make those decisions do their job and I’ll just support and watch

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