Potential Rodgers Return May Still Not Be Enough to Save Packers' Season

It’s no secret that when the Packers take the field on Cleveland on Sunday, there will be more than just a victory on the line. At 6-6, Green Bay is on life support as it pertains to the NFC playoff race, likely needing to win out to have any realistic shot of playing into January. Their stretch run essentially started last week with a 26-20 overtime victory against Tampa Bay, with the Browns now representing step two in what the Packers hope is a five-week journey to save their season.

Given their current situation, Green Bay is in no position to overlook any opponent left on their schedule—even the winless Browns. The Packers will be playing their eighth game with Brett Hundley directing the offense, having compiled a 2-5 record in his first seven games as the starting quarterback.

Perhaps the one consistent attribute of Hundley’s tenure has been his inconsistency from week to week, leaving to the imagination what kind of performance he’ll bring to the table any given week. Cleveland brings the league’s sixth-ranked rushing defense into Sunday’s contest, meaning their game plan likely will be to force Hundley to make enough plays through the air to win the game. From what we’ve seen out of Hundley so far, it’s hardly a sure thing to think he’ll be able to do so.

Defensively, the Packers may be playing with a patchwork secondary, with Kevin King going on injured reserve and Davon House having yet to practice this week due to a shoulder injury. In his first game back last week, embattled receiver Josh Gordon was targeted 11 times, catching four passes for 85 yards, leading to questions as to how Green Bay will deal with the explosive threat he poses.

Despite the potential road bumps, the reasons to believe the Packers can win in Cleveland are plentiful, particularly as they relate to the Browns’ offense.

Coming into week 14, Cleveland ranks dead last in scoring offense, at just under 15 points per game. Their 31.1 percent conversion rate on third down also puts them in the cellar league-wide, and they’ve turned the ball over on a whopping 20 percent of their offensive drives this season. Rookie quarterback DeShone Kizer has thrown just six touchdowns against 15 interceptions in 11 starts, and stands a decent chance of making things at least a little easier on the Packers’ secondary.

Along with keeping their playoff hopes alive, a win would also—potentially—afford Green Bay the opportunity to bring back two-time MVP Aaron Rodgers, who hasn’t played since breaking his collarbone in week six. Rodgers returned to practice on a trial basis this week, and all reports indicate his arm looks as good as ever. However, the collarbone won’t be scanned until after the Cleveland game, so there is no assurance just yet as to whether the bone is healed to the point the Packers’ medical staff deems satisfactory.

With a win against the Browns and good news on the medical front, the Packers would stand at 7-6 with their all-everything quarterback returning for the stretch run—a scenario that didn’t seem remotely possible at times during the past eight weeks.

The question is, even if Green Bay does find themselves in that scenario, will it matter?

After Cleveland, the Packers will play Carolina on the road and the Vikings at home, before finishing the regular season at Detroit. All three of those teams are currently alive in the NFC playoff race, with the Panthers in the mix for the NFC South crown and the Vikings competing for a number-one seed. Even with Rodgers under center, that’s a heck of three game stretch, especially when you absolutely have to win all three.

Furthermore, even if the Packers are able to run the gauntlet and win out, they would still need help to make the postseason. With Atlanta’s win over New Orleans on Thursday night, Green Bay would need the Falcons to lose two out of their last three games (at Tampa, at New Orleans, vs. Carolina) and finish 9-7 to overtake them in the standings. In that scenario, the Packers would need the Panthers to lose once more in addition to their head-to-head matchup in week 15, as well as hope the Seahawks suffer two losses as well—and those are just the scenarios involving head-to-head tiebreakers.

To make a long story longer, Green Bay’s playoff prospects are slim and getting slimmer with every result that doesn’t break their way. True, the only thing the Packers can control is the games on their schedule, but the odds are stacked high against them making a ninth consecutive appearance in the playoffs, and even the hero wearing number 12 may not be able to save them this time.

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Hematite's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:14 am

I would rather that the Packers don't put Rodgers back on the field this year.
This team is going nowhere in the playoffs regardless of who the quarterback is.
Bring him back completely healthy next year and go from there.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:16 am

Agreed, no need to trot Rodgers out there with nothing to play for.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:28 pm

Let's hear from Herm Edwards on what there is to play for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis

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badaxed's picture

December 08, 2017 at 05:06 pm

Right on Hank! Right on!

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rdent's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:35 am

Hematite, I couldn't agree more. Even if that staff is absurdly desperate enough to put #12 back on the field it just isn't there for them to go anywhere this year.

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Ds300916's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:16 pm

Except there are no certainties in football. If Rodgers is healthy and were in contention we need to go for it. What if we play it safe and next year he has a non contact injury in practice to end his season? (a la Bridgewater, Watson, etc..) Or a Packers example: After the 2014 NFC title game we assumed wed be back, Jordy tears his ACL and the offense looks lost in 2015. You cannot think about next year while you are in contention this year (as slim as it may be).

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fastmoving's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:12 pm

Thats so right, if you have a chance go for it. You never know whats next year.
You always have to try it, especially as a pro football team and especially as the green bay packers.
there is no down side at all (no chance to made the metall fixed collarbone worse and forget about 10 draftspots back and for......does not matter either)

Like I said, the same stuff was written before the last lombardi trophy. and would someone meaningfull listen to that......AR would not have his only ring.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:34 pm

There is nothing absurd or desperate about a pro football team playing to win every time they step on the field.

In fact, to suggest otherwise is an indicator of absurd desperation for a regime change that probably ain't gonna happen.

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Duneslick's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:24 pm

Packer Greg says if we beat Cleveland can a rusty Aaron Rogers lead the packers to victory over the Panthers. He is not sure Greenbay with a healthy Rogers can beat Minnesota. Detroit is no push over either unless Stafford is injured. Tough to win out.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:15 am

Packers playoff hopes died in ATL last night, even if Rodgers comes back. It’s all about draft position now.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:21 am

No they didn't. Each of the 3 teams in front of us has at least 2 of their 3 remaining games against tough competition. Several of them against each other.

Assuming GB wins out (again, a BIG IF), my guess is below:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine/_/factor/wins/results/400951777~...

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Bearmeat's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:23 am

Now, can they win a road playoff game against a team with a good QB and a good defense?

No. I don't think so. And that means more of TT/MM/DC. Which is why I'm hoping this is all moot and we don't see ARod the rest of this year.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:18 pm

Agree with your comments bearmeat. For me it’s not about this year, it’s about the future. Need to re-stock the cupboards with talent fast or it’s very possible Rodgers jumps ship after his current contract expires.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:30 pm

It's very doubtful he jumps ship. I won't say never because it happened with Favre. But that was more like he got thrown overboard than him jumping ship. He wanted to stay..but on his own terms. They didn't want to keep him under those conditions.

Rodgers would be 38 after his contract tolls and the franchise tag option runs out. And the picture then will be very different than the picture now. At least 40% of the roster will be turned over. It seems unlikely that Capers @ 71 and TT @ 67 would still be around.

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badaxed's picture

December 08, 2017 at 05:11 pm

Xmas present: Howdy doody, the white zombie, and mcfatty all go away!

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:22 pm

Bearmeat,

Fun link.

Just for grins, I gave the Packers a loss this week and then win out. Then I started filling in the rest of the games with an eye toward what helps the Packers but is not completely foolish, It's still possible for them to grab a playoff spot even if they lose this one--even the 5 seed! Sure that would need a whole lot more help than if they won out. But it's not completely out of the question.

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fastmoving's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:45 pm

change of draft position between 15 to 25 means nothing and died part is even further from the truth.
pretty sure they in if they win out........I know its a big if.......but way better than nothing. Its kind of in our own hands......

NEW ORLEANS
SEA
ATL
are all in striking distance. and we have to catch only one of them. and we can maybe go over a 3way tie too?? I dont even think about CAR. They can loose this week and we leapfrog them next week...........

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fastmoving's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:46 pm

nothing died and this draft stuff is just a funny joke from guys who have know idea what a draft is all about.
...and what s math all about too......

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:34 pm

To everyone claiming you need to play for this season, even if they make the playoffs, they’re not contenders, to argue that point is denial.

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Finwiz's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:39 pm

I agree completely.
Fact of the matter is, even with Rodgers this defense isn't championship caliper. Lot's of deniers around here, or a lot of homer-ism.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:48 pm

Agreed Fin, look I’m not a hater or troll, I bleed Green and Gold. But I’m a realist, and I look around and see the draft misses have taken their toll on the roster, that’s a fact that some don’t want to get past.

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fastmoving's picture

December 08, 2017 at 05:06 pm

but there a couple of really smart as hell football insiders with a sharp sense of reallity around here too.
so dont forget them or sell them short. they know everything what wrong and much more......

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:54 pm

Lighten up. Your willingness to concede is your own cross to bear. It doesn't change the reality that NFL history is littered with unlikely champions, including the most recent Lombardi in the trophy case in Green Bay. You can look down your nose at people that recognize that reality all you'd like. It won't change the reality.

Want another? The Ravens team that saw horrible Joe Flacco play like a HoF QB for the right 5 games. Or the TB SB win where Brad Johnson (!) was arguably the best QB in football for one inexplicable season. Or David Tyree making an unbelievable catch to help the Giants beat the unbeaten Patriots. Was there anyone that stood a chance against them? Not to hear anyone say it. It turns out, everyone was wrong.

That's why they don't play the games on paper. If you've given up, that's your business. It doesn't mean others have to waive the white flag quite so easily.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

December 08, 2017 at 05:17 pm

Hank, I respect your opinion, I think it’s great there is hope left in the tank, I really do, and I hear what you’re saying. You’re right, any given Sunday, anyone, anytime, can win in this league. Heck look at the Pats vs Rams or like you said Giants vs Pats. Anyone can do it, so why not the Packers this year?

My only reservation is that the difference in those SB winning teams you mentioned and this years Packers squad is that, the Bucs, the Flacco led Ravens, the 2010 Packers, the miracle Giants, had legitimate HOF talent on the defensive side and this years Packers do not. It’s okay to be a fan and still have your reservations about the roster. It’s years like this and 13 that really make you appreciate how great Rodgers is. I’m a fan, I’m not I’m going anywhere. But you have to agree, at some point there needs to be accountability for only winning 1 SB in the Aaron Rodgers era, right?

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 06:05 pm

Let's just get the standard "Fire Capers" out of the way here. I'm on board with that change. It's been the same substandard defense for far too long.

And sure, I wish they had more titles. I want them as badly as anyone else. I don't know that the best way to chase after them is to clean house and start over. I think the front office is about way more than TT. I wouldn't mind one of his subordinates taking over. I would be opposed to someone from the outside that might want to change the way everything is done. And I absolutely believe that while MM does have flaws, there is a really good chance the next HC will be worse.

Having said that...

Some of that accountability needs to fall on Rodgers. There has always been a worse villain in the playoff losses but Rodgers was underwhelming in most of those defeats. In 7 playoff losses, the Packers have scored 24+ twice. One of them was the first, where a Rodgers OT fumble returned for TD was the game's final play. In 2014, the defense gave him 6 TOs. He gave them 6 points back. Even in the SB win, a Nick Collins pick 6 is what pushed them above 24.

This is not meant to be a knock on Rodgers. I certainly don't blame him for proving he is mortal like the rest of us on occasion. It is just the opposite. I believe there is nothing he can't do. But he's never put together a magical playoff run to the title. I know he has it in him. He's a magician. Maybe this is the year he shows it. I'm all for taking that chance any time it comes up. Even if the odds don't look good.

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Finwiz's picture

December 08, 2017 at 07:38 pm

Excellent post, I think sometimes we forget about some of that substandard Rodgers play in big playoff games. Duly noted.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 08, 2017 at 09:02 pm

Let's not forget about the big points he scored against Dallas, NY last year. MIN in 2012.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 06:50 pm

Oh and this part was something I wanted to comment on but it is really distinct from the rest of it...

ShangaiKid said
"It’s okay to be a fan and still have your reservations about the roster. "

You bet it is ok. I have them every year. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong and sometimes I had no concerns about things I should have been worried about. Nothing wrong with discussing them either. If I wanted nothing but sugar, I'd be someplace else discussing the Packers. I like to have my beliefs challenged.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:15 am

If GB goes 10-6 (considering the state of the pass defense, a very tall order even with ARod), then they'll have a greater than 70% chance of grabbing at least the 6 seed.

The problem becomes: Can this team win it all as it's currently constructed, and if not, is it really good for this team to make the playoffs long term?

My answer? No. And No.

I don't think the defense is anywhere near good enough to win one playoff game. I don't think our CBs, our mental errors, and our lack of pressure will allow us to beat anyone with a decent QB - and the NFC is stacked with them. I don't think that scoring 35 in a playoff game, on the road, will be enough, and against a good defense, I don't think even ARod can score 35 with regularity.

And I'd rather have the higher draft picks and fired coaches/GMs that come with a 6-10 record than making the first round, picking in the 20s, and everything is the same next year.

To me, THAT is wasting Rodgers prime. Not a hope and a prayer with Damarious Freaking Randall as your #1 CB and post-roids-Clay as your #1OLB.

To me, although that may be dark, it's more hopeful than keeping-everything-as-its-been-since-2011.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 06:35 pm

"Can this team win it all as it's currently constructed, ,,,?"

If Rodgers is playing, they have a chance. I don't care about the other flaws on the team. He's a magician that can make them all disappear. He's just got to let the magic out for 4 straight games.

There is nothing I enjoy more than watching him try. It didn't get much better than that Dallas game for me last year. He dragged that team halfway home before the magic ran out. I'd love to see him get another shot at going farther.

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Bearmeat's picture

December 08, 2017 at 09:31 pm

Very true. And I think that's what it would take, as well as defensive players stepping up. I just don't think it's likely.

I was watching highlights of the 2010 and 2011 Packers seasons, and we just do NOT have the playmakers of the number or quality that we did then.

Woodson, CM3 (on roids), Collins, Bishop, Raji (before he got lazy), Jenkins, Tramon. Clifton. Rodgers. Jennings. Jordy. Driver.

I mean... wow!

Now let's compare those difference makers to our team now:

Rodgers. Mayyybe our 2 RBs. Adams. Daniels. Bakh. Clark.

That's it.

Doesn't look good, does it?

I state again: This is not a Super Bowl roster.

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scottdecker813's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:32 am

Furthermore, even if the Packers are able to run the gauntlet and win out, they would still need help to make the postseason. With Atlanta’s win over New Orleans on Thursday night, Green Bay would need the Falcons to lose two out of their last three games (at Tampa, at New Orleans, vs. Carolina) and finish 9-7 to overtake them in the standings. In that scenario, the Packers would need the Panthers to lose once more in addition to their head-to-head matchup in week 15, as well as hope the Seahawks suffer two losses as well—and those are just the scenarios involving head-to-head tiebreakers.

MY COMMENT: Ok, this is not as doom and gloom as it is portrayed to be above. We don't have to beat out the Falcons, Panthers, AND Seahawks. Only two of them. There are two wildcards. The easiest path for us is to give Atlanta one of the wildcards, and hope that they beat Carolina. If you give Atlanta one of the wildcards, and if you give Philadelphia, the Assholes, the Saints and the Rams the divsions, that leaves one spot open between potential 10-6 teams Dallas, Carolina and Seattle.

Dallas is not an issue since we win the head to head with them at 10-6.

So we need to beat out only Carolina and Seattle and run the table. Carolina need only lose to Atlanta in Atlanta. That is definitely possible, for Atlanta will be favoured in that game. A loss to Atlanta and to us would eliminate Carolina as a threat, they would be 10-6 and lose a tie breaker.

As for Seattle, they just need to lose two more games. they have 3 tough games...Rams at home, at Dallas (with Zeke back), and this week at Jax. If they lose two of those games, they are no longer a factor.

So forget Atlanta.....of course if they lose 2 of their last 3, that gives us another opening to get in, but the easiest opening now if we run the table is Carolina losing 1 more (most likely to Atl) and Seattle dropping two.

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HankScorpio's picture

December 08, 2017 at 06:18 pm

uh, misclick the reply. Nothing to see here.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:41 am

Why is everyone beating themselves up with who needs to beat who and how many losses a team needs for the Packers to get a wildcard spot. Just worry about whether the Packers can win week to week whether with or without Rodgers since that's the first priority and the other games outcomes will dictate if that remains relevant at all. #itdoesn'tlookgood

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scottdecker813's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:46 am

OF course...that goes without saying. Our toughest game remaining of our 4 is this week...why? because we don't have our franchise playing. Get by the Brownies this week with Hundley, we hopefully will have 12 back and he has proven as recently as last year that he can carry the team on his shoulders and make a run.

I have read a lot of posts today that Atlanta's loss last night pretty much ended our chances even if we do RTT...that just isnt true....certainly it would have helped not to have Brees make a bonehead INT late in the game, but it certainly didn't seal our fate.

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Finwiz's picture

December 08, 2017 at 11:58 am

Don't kid yourself, all the games except possibly Cleveland will be tough, or should be at least.
Carolina won't be easy assuming Rodgers 1st game back, MN is never easy and they have the best D in the NFL so no gimme, and winning in Detroit will be tough too. We couldn't stop Stafford on grass, let alone turf.

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WKUPackFan's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:14 pm

Well, when you're not really a Packers fan, and your sole agenda is to insult the players, coaches, and front office, yes, you describe every remaining game as tough. If you were being genuine you would say that you're rooting for losses.

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Finwiz's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:19 pm

A total misrepresentation and interpretation of my comments, but we know you have an agenda and ax to grind, so I would expect nothing less!

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Roadrunner23's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:35 pm

I say lets just focus on the Browns and come out of this game healthy and with a "W". The rest will take care of itself, I guarantee the Packers are not going to put their franchise QB in harms way just to finish out the season.
If they beat the Browns and Rodgers is deemed healthy enough and not at risk of re-injuring the collar bone break further, then yes he will probably play. If they don't beat the Browns the point is mute.

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AK Cheese's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:43 pm

I'll take the higher draft picks, keep playing with what we got. Let Rogers sit.

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fastmoving's picture

December 08, 2017 at 12:51 pm

just like 2011.............good idea

but the higher draftpicks thing is pretty funny, so you get that point.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:05 pm

Put this together in 5 minutes....could be more true after sunday but even if a win....

http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cbljFw25LD

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badaxed's picture

December 08, 2017 at 05:17 pm

Very nice!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:28 pm

You play to win and you don't stop trying to win and at any moment 1 hit and your career is over...if the packers are statisticslly in the the hunt for the pkayoff theb sorry rogers you are going to play !!! The hell with all this pitty Patty we're going to wait till next year crap there is no next year it's only now .. you think that's what they said at the beginning of the year if we get a few players hurt will just give up.. hell no we are the Green Bay Packers titletown and we'll play with 11 men on the field hurt if we have to just like we did last year we're going to play to win because it's not over until it's over.. and you keep playing because all the players that are on injured reserve on the Green Bay Packers laid it all on the line and you expect the other players to just lay down because they're afraid to get hurt. Well they are going to get hurt at some point in time so you might as well just do it right now we're playing football we're not playing patty-cake..go pack go !!!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:30 pm

So get packers out there and kick some azzzz and beat the odds!!

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fastmoving's picture

December 08, 2017 at 01:51 pm

Never thought I have to say that.......but this time you just nailed it......

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Since'61's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:10 pm

If the Packers are still in contention after the Browns game and Rodgers is cleared to return he plays. End of story. Sports is about winning and winning now.

There are no guarantees that having a higher draft pick helps us to the SB next season or in the future. That's why it is so important to get to then SB and to win the Lombardi. Because as we have seen with Favre and Rodgers it's very difficult to get back.

Dan Marino made it to the SB in his second season but the Dolphins lost and he never got back. And Marino was healthy for most of his career.

Assuming Rodgers returns can he save the season? Regrettably the Packers do not control their own destiny with or without Rodgers. Beyond that Rodgers return does not guarantee a successful run of the table.

Rodgers will probably play OK but can our defense stop Carolina enough for Rodgers to out score them? Then we have Minnesota who can help the Packers by beating Carolina this Sunday. If the Vikes win against Carolina they win the division, so the next question is does Minn have a letdown against the Packers after winning the division? Big maybe on that one. Then we finish at Detroit. It's possible that Detroit has nothing to play for by Week 17 but I doubt that they would mail it in against the Packers in any case.

Assuming the Packers get through their own schedule they still need plenty of help. Beat the Browns and if Rodgers is cleared to play he is our last best hope for this season. If nothing else he gives us a chance by keeping our own defense off the field for more time than Hundley does. Thanks, Since '61

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flackcatcher's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:45 pm

'61. As you know, the key is the secondary. At this point it's all duct tape and spit that is holding that group together. I would not be surprised to see Burnett playing the boundary at some point on Sunday. The Packers season may rest on the shoulders of Hawkins and Whitehead and Evans. If, IF they are stout then the Packers have a chance. Either way, this is going to be a close game. (Unless Hundley has the game of his life, it's away and he is due. Man can dream, can't he..... :)

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ironman3169's picture

December 08, 2017 at 04:25 pm

How about the joy we all get watching Aaron Rodgers play football?
The game, when he plays up to his standards, is such a pleasure to watch. Just a superior product with him on the field.
Can’t wait to see him again.

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4thand1's picture

December 08, 2017 at 08:51 pm

This season is not like the last one when AR sat out. Minny is not gonna fold like the lolions did. The div is over and it would take to many teams losing to get in. In 2010 the planets aligned and we snuck in. This doesn't feel like that. Those were 2 different seasons and we still made the playoffs, so anything is possible.

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lebowski's picture

December 08, 2017 at 09:55 pm

The Packers have become an afterthought without Rodgers, and I can't figure out if it's an indictment on Thompson for stocking the roster with below average players, or on the coaching staff for not having everyone prepared, but either way this season was an eye opener. Hoping for changes after the season that probably won't come.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

December 09, 2017 at 07:57 am

All we can do is win the last 4 games that's the only thing in our control and then see what happens. Win....win....win....win....

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al bundy's picture

December 10, 2017 at 08:40 pm

If Rogers is cleared, he will start. I would hope the pack with Rogers gets there cans kicked rather than win one of three and appear an allmosie team. Why?
Vikes are not a fluke. They get to draft to and may get some picks moving bradford.
Packs need some talent and low draft picks
Time to dump capers too. Rebuild the d. Fix the o line. This current team is not good enough even next year with the lack of play makers.

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