Packers Vs. 49ers - 3 Plays That Make You Go Hmmm
Jersey Al picks out three thought-provoking plays from the Packers' last game.
By JerseyAl

After re-watching the Packers game, here are three plays that made me go hmmm, for various reasons. In general, I try to focus on a theme, the less obvious, or things I didn't notice watching live. These are not likely to be "highlight" plays.
Quay Walker - On this play, Quay Walker takes down the 49ers quarterback behind the line of scrimmage, but does not get credited with a sack. Is it because Brandon Allen dropped the ball and then picked it up, essentially recovering his own fumble? I can't come up with any reason why that should matter. He still has the ball, and still could have had the opportunity to throw the ball, right? Which means he could still be sacked, right? Any ideas?
Brooks and Wyatt - Sounds like a law firm, right? "If you're stuck in a time share you no longer want, Brooks and Wyatt can help you out of the contract." Anyway, here the Packers put seven players on the line of scrimmage. You knew they wouldn't bring seven and that at least two players would back out, but could you have predicted it would be their two INTERIOR defensive linemen? This has to be a first. By the way, Brooks looks really smooth dropping back and turning his hips, doesn't he? Much better than Preston Smith ever did. As for the pass completion (on a third down), there appears to be some miscommunication between McKinney and Nixon as to who should take which player. You can see them talking about it after the play.
Josh Myers - Everyone loves a good ass-kicking right? And when it's against a future Hall of Fame player that has haunted your team, it's just so much sweeter. Watch Josh Myers here. I've often said he does his best work blocking downfield and here is some solid evidence. He eliminates future Hall of Famer Fred Warner (not easy to do at all), knocks him to the ground and then caps it off by trying to bury him into the turf. Chef's kiss!
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Comments (26)
T7Steve
November 26, 2024 at 02:41 pm
Thanks, Al.
I think Walker had a fine game. I Didn't know that wasn't counted as a sack. He's sort of been getting bashed here lately but I think he's barely getting his feet under him in this D and even the "Hall of Fame" LB Warner has some trouble now an again, as you showed. You had me rolling with the "Chef's Kiss".
Made my day.
Bearmeat
November 26, 2024 at 02:48 pm
There was not a ton to glean from this past game. The 9ers were just hurt. You take the win and be happy for the ass kicking regardless though. That said: the offense looks like it's good to go. We need to work on the drops. Otherwise? Solid. The D is (once again) where improvement is needed to get where we want to go. Pass rush is hit and miss and CB2 is a dumpster fire...
GPG
Packers0808
November 26, 2024 at 03:01 pm
Remember we won 3 games with a back up QB and some games with our best DB hurt. So wins against teams hurt or not are a good thing.
EricTorkelson
November 26, 2024 at 03:05 pm
Hi Jersey, yes there's a Hmmm and Quay should have got the sack ... BUT Quay almost comically got shoved and stumbled into Gary
who had beaten his man and literally took Gary out of the play ... But Ill give Quay credit he did bounce up and tackle the QB...
Yes Brooks looked smooth and athletic back peddling and Wyatt did not look bad either, as far as the Nixon and McKinneys coverage I believe Nixon made the right play and maybe McKinneys chatter was trying to cover his ass because he gave up the completion ???
Good for Josh M, I always liked his toughness you got to love tough physical off linemen even ones that get lost picking up blocking assignments pretty frequently ...
splitpea1
November 26, 2024 at 03:36 pm
Play#1: I'll give it my best guess, masquerading as the official scorer: The player who caused the strip (Gary) is and was credited with the sack. Quay tackled the QB for a loss once he regained possession. So I suppose you can't have two sacks on one play--it's just one of those things that fall between the statistical cracks...Doesn't really matter, though; it was a nice effort by Quay getting back up and finishing off the play.
Coldworld
November 26, 2024 at 04:13 pm
That seemed logical, so I dug a bit. Here’s my resulting take. Once a ball is dropped it’s deemed a fumble and the rules state that a sack can’t be recorded after a fumble.
As we all know, however, the ball remains live after a strip sack: the strip doesn’t end the play. The defense can score if they can take the ball, however, the corollary of that is that a QB who recovers a fumble is equally entitled to run with it or pass it. If so, why is preventing that, post fumble, not a sack?
The answer seems to be that a sack requires the QB to be setting up to pass (including a normal hand off)—not actually throwing but giving every indication of intent and ability to move the ball forwards to another player (or by his own legs).
Presumably, had Allen got back up into a position to move or pass/hand off, he could have then been sacked. In this case, as he didn’t manage to recover to that extent after the fumble, Quay couldn’t sack him officially. At least that’s how I read it,
So, theoretically, it seems one down could result in more than one sack. Would the NFL count that? I don’t know. Per the NCAA, it would be a single sack divided between the players causing the fumble(s)/bringing the QB down in possession.
An interesting byway from Al.
splitpea1
November 26, 2024 at 07:12 pm
Throwing the technicalities away, the easiest solution in this case would be to credit Gary with a FF and Walker with the sack. Or as the NCAA suggested, splitting the sack in half.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 27, 2024 at 05:39 am
No, that does not really make sense. Gary gets a forced fumble. Allen no longer is a passer, he is a runner. Quay gets a tackle for loss.
LeotisHarris
November 26, 2024 at 04:02 pm
Probably best to put a call in to Dean Blandino at the Command Center to get a ruling on the unsackness of Quay's efforts. I think guidance for the ruling is likely hidden deep in the fine print of the Tuck Rule. Once 17 botched the tuck, then dribbled the football he became a runner rather than just a journeyman QB, and barring any progress (forward or otherwise) past the line of scrimmage, defensive efforts to halt his matriculation were ruled a tackle for a loss, then. It wasn't a sack because he was thinking about completing a "football move" when picked up his dribble. Had the football behaved like a football and bounced haphazardly for a bit and been recovered by the Packers, then Quay, by rule, would have been flagged for being offside.
It may be worthwhile to reach out to Brother Maynard for clarification as well.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 27, 2024 at 05:45 am
You know, by complete happenstance, for a while there you were getting it right. OH, so close!
Since'61
November 26, 2024 at 04:12 pm
Play #1 should be a sack for Walker. Gary may have caused the fumble but he didi not bring Allen down and the white did not blow until Walker finished the play. I thought maybe the QB past the LOS before he was bought down but that is not the case. He was tackled behind the LOS. No idea why Walker is not credited with a sack on the play.
Play #2 is some level of miscominucation on the coverage assignment.
Play #3 great blocking and follow through by Myers. Good to see.
Three good selections Al. Thanks, Since '61
Thegreatreynoldo
November 27, 2024 at 06:06 am
McKinney does not seem to consider turning and running with Deebo for an instant. It seems clear to me that he is passing Deebo off to Nixon, who does pick Deebo up. If Nixon was responsible for Kittle in the flat despite, I don't understand why he would immediately go into his back pedal while McKinkey does not backpedal. It seems clear to me that McKinney is responsible for the flat.
I can find a clip showing Myers on his ass after being completely annihilated in pass pro. Love gets the pass off while falling backwards. Myers is better but he is still inconsistent.
Bitternotsour
November 27, 2024 at 08:48 am
which you could do for any player. old biases die hard
Leatherhead
November 27, 2024 at 10:20 am
""""I can find a clip showing.......""""
I remember a game against the Rams, after Lombardi, where a QB ran over Ray Nitschke. I remember a Thanksgiving Day when our line was shred like cheese, and there were HOFers on that line.
17 games times 60 snaps a game......that's over 1000 snaps. If you got knocked on your ass 10 times then that means 99% of the snaps you didn't get knocked on your ass.
You suggested recently (yes, I always read and ponder your stuff) the possibility of signing Myers for a bargain-rate after this season. On the merits, I'd agree, but it's not going to happen, mostly because of economics.
If Runyan gets $10M/year, we're not going to get Myers for much less. Add in the fact that Tom, Walker, and Rhyan will all be coming up (along with Doubs and Watson) on their contract year, I just don't see it.
Right now, we pay one offensive linemen...Elgton Jenkins. More on him another time, but the point is that it just seems to me that you can't afford to pay 3 or 4 offensive linemen $10M+ a year. You HAVE TO draft guys and let other guys go. Who do we let go? Myers or Rhyan or Walker or Jenkins or Tom?
You let Myers go. If he's signed by anybody, we get a comp pick. You spend a Top 100 pick on a Center. We already have our LT of the future, you extend Tom at RT, and you're solid for the next couple of seasons.
Bitternotsour
November 27, 2024 at 11:50 am
I think it likely our center of the future is Jenkins, that is if he isn't let go in cost saving move. Jenkins is overpaid as a guard. His versatility as tackle, guard, center is a saving grace and justified his contract.
You're likely right about the economics of Myers second contract, but the guy is a pro center, devastating at the second level. He's a whipping boy on the amateur GM posts, but he does his job.
pantz_bURp
November 26, 2024 at 04:21 pm
Nicely done Pack, now on to the Dolphin game:
Better play with a porpoise!
XXXOOOs,
Pantz "Big Sexy" Burp
egbertsouse
November 26, 2024 at 04:44 pm
I don’t care why Quay didn’t get the sack. I want to know why he didn’t get the interception when that pass hit him right in the freaking hands.
Coldworld
November 26, 2024 at 05:09 pm
Because most ILBs that can catch to save their life play offense.
Packers0808
November 26, 2024 at 05:29 pm
Why didn't Watson catch the ball in his hands and he is a receiver.
barutanseijin
November 26, 2024 at 06:16 pm
He’d be a TE if he could catch
NFLfan
November 26, 2024 at 04:56 pm
Quay played well and is the most energetic pass rusher
ricky
November 26, 2024 at 05:09 pm
In reverse order. Myers had to overcome some problems earlier in his career. He was drafted just before Creed Humphrey, who quickly established himself as a possible HOF center. Myers has taken a lot of flak, from fans and the media since then. But he has never complained. What he did instead was work harder, get bigger and become more confident as he played more games. The guy seemed to be a bust, but is, at worst, a serviceable part of the OL right now. Major props for his guts and grit.
Nixon was given a contract with the team to be a kick returner. Since the rules changed, that job has gone extinct. And since he isn't a punt returner, and is, at best, mediocre as a DB, he is expendable. And, yes, he did cause a fumble Sunday. But that kind of special play is a rarity with him. This is what he did last year:
"However, he allowed 81.8% of passes in his direction to be caught and missed 14 tackles. Additionally, he allowed a 103.8 passer rating for opposing quarterbacks."
Finally, Walker. He had an exceptional game? From what I saw, he was sometimes in on plays at crucial times; other times, he genuinely seemed lost. Especially on the TD to Kittle, where Walker was standing in the end zone, looking around and not knowing what to do. Maybe others are seeing something that I'm missing. But it still seems he lacks awareness and instincts.
GregC
November 26, 2024 at 05:25 pm
After the game, Evan Williams said that he blew the coverage on Kittle on that TD. He came off his coverage thinking the ball was going to be thrown to another receiver, so Walker ended up having to cover two receivers.
Coldworld
November 26, 2024 at 06:05 pm
The price of anticipation.
barutanseijin
November 26, 2024 at 09:09 pm
Nixon plays hard & doesn’t shy from contact , which is more than you can say about some other DBs.
Bitternotsour
November 27, 2024 at 08:45 am
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