Packers Still Confident in J’Mon Moore

The Packers are still confident in last year's draft pick WR J'Mon Moore.

There was a lot of confidence bestowed in Packers wide receiver J’Mon Moore this time last year. Green Bay selected three wide receivers during the 2018 draft and Moore was the first one as a fourth-round selection. A lot of people believed he would compete right away for snaps with the first team offense, however, that was not the case as he was quickly leapfrogged by Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Equanimeous St. Brown on the depth chart. It was a huge wakeup call for Moore but now he’s looking to improve in year two. 

Moore struggled to see the field last year, much more than his fellow rookie receivers. His 74 snaps on offense were few and far between than the 691 by Valdes-Scantling and 358 for St. Brown. As a result, Moore saw only three targets over the course of the entire season. In the end, he caught a mere two passes for 15 yards. 

During exit interviews towards the beginning of 2019, Moore accepted all the blame. 

“I’ve always been honest with myself. I’m never the type to point fingers,” Moore said via Packers.com. “Me knowing what I can do and what type of player I’ve always been, if I’m not playing, it’s always my fault. It ain’t nobody else’s fault but mine. I don’t blame them for it.”

It's hard to gauge where it all went wrong for Moore is his rookie season. Judging by his comments, he struggled to grasp the offense and when that occurs it’s tough to send a player onto the field if you do not have confidence that he knows his role. We saw the confidence Aaron Rodgers had in throwing to Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown but with Moore not being able that trust it can be a tough hurdle for a receiver. 

“Just the speed of audibles and play-calling, (you) have to know exactly what you have to do, be ready for alarms and things like that,” Moore said. He later noted how things are much slower in the college game which pointed to his inability to get up to speed on the next level. 

As Moore enters his second season we hope things will improve. Honestly, it’s hard to imagine how they could get worst.

This will be his second system in as many years with Matt LaFleur now in as head coach. Perhaps, LaFleur’s system will help receivers get open which wasn’t always the case in Mike McCarthy’s offense. That coupled with the fact that Moore has put in the work this offseason means we should see improvement. 

“I think he’s grown a lot from last year,” said wide receivers coach Alvis Whitted who spoke with media during Thursday’s press conferences with offensive coaches.

“It was a learning experience and I’d say it was very humbling for him,” he continued. It’s human nature. You’re a higher draft pick and some of the other guys came in and had a little success. I think he’s taken it upon himself to really challenge himself and say, ‘Hey, how am I going to respond?’ And I think he’s responded in the right way.”

According to his positional coach, Moore has taken it upon himself to “become more of pro” by asking questions in meetings and putting the extra work in.

Whitted ended with, “I think he’s on the right track, he really is, very talented individual and he’s going to do some great things for us.” 

 

 

Brandon Carwile is a Packers writer who also enjoys watching and breaking down film. Follow him on Twitter @PackerScribe.

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Bure9620's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:10 pm

I don't put a ton of stock into rookie seasons. If you remember Jordy took nearly 2 years to develop. The key is seeing growth from year 1 to 2 and 2 to 3. J'Mon has incredible change of direction ability. If he is still lost and cannot catch or get on the field in year 2 then that's an issue. St. Brown was under drafted because he did not have a QB his senior year and MVS could be a 5th round steal. Don't put huge stock into rookie seasons, J'Mon could blossom and the other rookies development could flatten. If I were Moore, I would sit behind the jugs machine day and night. Catch 100 balls consecutively and start over if even 1 is dropped.

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ricky's picture

June 02, 2019 at 01:24 pm

James Jones took several years to develop. Davante Adams was seen as a bust during and after his second year. As noted, Nelson took a while to get going. WR's making a splash their first year is the rare exception, not the rule. Moore seemed to be gliding on physical skill, and when he had to grasp a much more complex system, he couldn't assimilate the offense. But that is the past. He seems to have learned that he needs to learn (the first step in the process). Now, can he grasp the offense and apply the learning to the field? This year should be an improvement, with a bigger leap occurring next year.

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:15 pm

Ricky, I think JJ was pretty good in his Rookie campain. I remember Favre singled him out after TC.
Other than that I dont see any reason why Moore should not develop in a good WR. None. And he was not so bad in preseason either. So way too early to give up on him.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:31 pm

James Jones, while being the #3 WR behind Jennings and DD started the first game of his rookie year and 9 out of 16 games for the year with 2 TDs.
His pathway may be similar for MVS but JJ kept improving through the season. He came from a West coast offense at San Jose State and Farve loved going to him.

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June 02, 2019 at 02:45 pm

Agree. I had EQ as a 4th rounder in my mock draft. That was in line with almost every analyst out there and some had him as a 3rd rounder. EQ could’ve went in front of Moore IMO and I was surprised he was there round 6. Obviously GB was also.
I believe EQ was strongly considered at the MVS pick but when they saw him come back around.. they had to go a 3rd Wideout, they truly picked BPA.
Looking for J’mon to markedly improve this year like you said as a 2nd year jump.

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GBPDAN1's picture

June 02, 2019 at 05:01 pm

“I’ve always been honest with myself. I’m never the type to point fingers,” Moore said via Packers.com. “Me knowing what I can do and what type of player I’ve always been, if I’m not playing, it’s always my fault. It ain’t nobody else’s fault but mine. I don’t blame them for it.”

Wow, how refreshing to hear a good athlete take accountability for his performance as it relates to playing time. I wish Josh Jones had this attitude!

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 05:11 pm

GBPDAN1,

You got that right.

Most in the NFL have that attitude, or some form of it. "Want to" and "self accountability."

Find a pro bowler or even a successful player without those traits.

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Bure9620's picture

June 02, 2019 at 05:29 pm

Or anyone for that matter....

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Lare's picture

June 03, 2019 at 05:59 pm

Every receiver struggled the first couple of years in McCarthy's system. I'm not surprised Moore did also.

Clean slate- new system, new coaches, the time to perform is now.

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ShanghaiKid's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:36 pm

Players can work on releases, refining route running, catching, all they want. However, if a player can’t grasp the game mentally, what good does it do?

Similarly, MLF’s system could “help the receivers get open” all it wants, but if a guy can’t make the adjustments on the fly it won’t matter. Moore’s struggles came from the mental part of the game. Even Adams said it felt like being a rookie again. It’s tough seeing Moore making much more of an impact in year two.

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dobber's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:45 pm

"Players can work on releases, refining route running, catching, all they want. However, if a player can’t grasp the game mentally, what good does it do?"

I'm just hoping he learns to grasp the football.

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June 02, 2019 at 01:57 pm

Exactly!

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TheVOR's picture

June 03, 2019 at 09:03 am

Exactly Dob, Catch the freeking football! I'm telling you right now, drops lose football games. Guys that drop footballs cause punts and losses, they're drive killers!

Here you go, in the playoffs, down by 4, on the 13 yard line, 4th and goal. Moore gets open, Rodgers delivers a perfect ball, and he drops it?

Are you still in the love with this 4th round pick now? Said it a million times, WHO CARES if he was a 4th round pick or not, I'd take any guy who can actually catch the football over this scenario.

Not a fan, dropped balls = losses, Ya Ya, Davante dropped balls as a rookie, whatever, I'm simply saying if the drops continue, please cut the football player. He'd better be on fire in the camp! Couldn't care less about him being a draft pick or what draft position he was selected in. Dropped balls lose football games, period.

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dobber's picture

June 03, 2019 at 10:02 am

"Are you still in the love with this 4th round pick now? Said it a million times, WHO CARES if he was a 4th round pick or not, I'd take any guy who can actually catch the football over this scenario."

Agreed. Once they sign those contracts, draft position doesn't (well, shouldn't) mean anything anymore. It should all be about what they do on the field.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

June 03, 2019 at 09:06 am

Maybe it's no coincidence that David Raih was let go...

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

June 03, 2019 at 12:06 pm

Well by last year's accounts, the WRs didn't have much help. There were articles suggesting the WR coach didn't really know the WR position himself. With some good coaching, Moore can learn an offense. Once he got behind last year, it was hard to catch up in the middle of the season without many practices. But he's got this entire offseason to apply himself to the new offense. And he's motivated. He should come around fine.

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imnion's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:46 pm

A lot of "football evaluators" say you have to wait until year 3 with wide receivers. Adams didn't shine until year 3. Jordy either.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:18 pm

Successful organizations don't just throw guys away after one year. To do so is to admit they made a huge mistake in drafting him

It's early. Nobody is hurt yet. Only 4 of the WR spots are clearly spoken for.....Adams, Allison, MSV, ESB. Moore is clearly in the next group of 4.

I don't think he's eligible for practice squad, so if he can't make the Top 6, then we're going to have a decision to make on final cutdowns.

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dobber's picture

June 02, 2019 at 07:05 pm

He appeared in 12 games in 2018, but still has PS eligibility. The league expanded the number of 'veterans' teams can have on the PS a couple years ago.

cincyjungle.com/2018/9/1/17808772/nfl-practice-squad-2018-eligibility-pay-rules-changing-teams-what-to-know

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 03, 2019 at 03:31 am

[Successful] teams don't dump players after one season because doing so means admitting that it was a mistake to draft that player. The word successful changes the meaning of the sentence. Teams don't do it because it is human nature to rationalize previous decisions. OS implies that dumping players means the team won't be successful, but I think practically no team routinely dumps 3rd and 4th round picks after a single season regardless of the team's level of success.

Gute dumped Biegel after one season, but then, Biegel was TT's pick, not Gute's pick, so there was no tacit admission of having made a mistake. After a quiet TC and preseason, GB offered a PS spot to Biegel, who turned it down. No one put in a waiver claim, and NO signed him to the PS, promoting him 3 weeks later. Biegel played two defensive snaps for NO, and 241 ST snaps and had 4 tackles. Verdict is out still.

Moore is Gute's 4th round pick. Moore of course could look great in TC and preseason, which would change the Biegel dynamic, or have a quiet TC/preseason, setting up the same scenario.

packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/26/vince-biegel-turned-down-offer-to-join-packers-practice-squad/

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June 03, 2019 at 10:55 am

No, TGR, I’m not implying we won’t be successful if we dump him; I’m saying we won’t dump him because we ARE a successful organization. The Lions might. Cleveland might. Not the Steelers, or Patriots, or Packers. That’s not how they do business.

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June 02, 2019 at 02:22 pm

The difference between Adams and Nelson is that Adams showed glimpses of how good he could be in his rookie season. 7/117/1TD in the playoff game against Dallas was his near coming out party. He was pretty hampered by the ankle in 15’ which wasn’t talked a lot about back then. But he showed a lot of flash in his rookie season.

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:31 pm

thats true, but at that time most guys thought that Adams was not fast enought to be a real Nr. 1. .
But I liked that juke in Dallas and since that move I believed in him. But you can not put all the drops the following year on the ankle. But still some of them…...

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fthisJack's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:27 pm

he showed enough in his rookie year to know that his sophomore year was a fluke. they knew he had enough talent to keep him around until he healed up and got his mojo back.

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 05:11 pm

But after his second year it was not such a sure thing like you sound now. Other than that was his Rookie campain not just roses for a second round pick and he draw some negative critic too. I thought even AR said something. He became a bigger supporter of Adams in his second year.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:37 pm

Adams first big game was during the Patriots game at Lambeau. The Pack was on a roll all the way up to the epic failure by the Space Needle.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:46 pm

It is hard to know how committed he was last year. Was he studying enough? Apparently not, Was he asking enough/right questions? Apparently not. It is not a good sign that the other rookies could get a grasp of the O and he couldn't.

Now he has to start all over again. Coach says he has improved his questions. That is good. Will he be on his laptop (or whatever) until he knows his assignments? Time will tell. If I were "humbled" last year, I would be. At least now he knows how much work it will take.

I hope he has a burning desire to be his best. He has the measurables.

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Coldworld's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:00 pm

Go back and look at his scouting reports. Came from one of the simplest offenses and with a warning that, despite his physical talent, he would take a while to adapt to the NFL and the complex offenses used there. Got exactly what it said on the label.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 03:12 pm

Coldworld,

Are you trusting public scouting reports? Do you have a reliable source?? Did the Pack show theirs?

All the "expert" talking heads do is talk.

I would like to know a reliable source.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:43 pm

Just watch the SEC games on Saturdays or go to their film archive.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 08:00 pm

jannes bjornson,

It may be hard to believe, but I have limited data on my internet, so It's really not practical for me to watch much personal video. And it is very slow/low quality. Better for me to look up data.

Living in the north woods is great for many things, but not for connectivity. Waiting for G5.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 10:07 am

He is a player where all sources were pretty much in alignment on his strengths and weaknesses, if not on predictions for resulting draft position. Very similar to Jackson. High upside but facing very steep learning curve when moving to the NFL.

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Swisch's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:50 pm

C'mon
J'mon
Score
Moore
Rooting you on to soar!

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Rossonero's picture

June 02, 2019 at 12:57 pm

As imnion noted, it's usually Year 3 when we see WRs blossom. Going from the college ranks to the NFL is like going to grad school for these guys: a more complex route tree, stiffer competition, knowing how to get in and out of their breaks, working with a new QB, etc.

The downside is Moore has to learn a new system again, but the upside is he SHOULD realize that maybe he has to study harder than MVS, ESB, Kumerow, etc.

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June 02, 2019 at 01:00 pm

he's been droppin' balls in OTAs again.....GONE!!!

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 01:58 pm

So we would had JJ fired after a second year with a lot of drops? Just like Adams, as some guys called him Dropvante or something. Not sure about Driver and Jordy either.
But hey, to hell with sense. Fire all the Rookies if they dont pan out immediately. There is a new draft coming up every 12 months.

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fthisJack's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:31 pm

raise your hand if you were one of the idiots calling for his release! i know there were many! go ahead and raise your hand!

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Demon's picture

June 02, 2019 at 01:27 pm

I have zero fait in Moore. I dlnt care about knowing the offense or playbookif youre a receiver you should be able to catch. Good luck j"mon, youre going to need it!

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 03:06 pm

Demon,

Your fingers replaced with horns??

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wildbill's picture

June 02, 2019 at 01:54 pm

Not disputing that it takes a couple years for a wr to get up to speed. Jordy’s first year both Jennings and Driver had over 1000 yards and James Jones and Finley were also on the roster. That’s a lot of talent. His second year both Driver and Jennings were again over 1000 yards with Finley and James Jones fighting for targets. It’s no wonder it took Jordy and JJ a couple years to really show up. Totally different situation than we had last year. Davante injured his ankle his second year which set him back, but given the opportunity he showed up big. There will be plenty of opportunities for the young WRs this year so time for at least one of them to step up

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Coldworld's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:05 pm

They were also playing in an offense that was running smoothly. Much easier to work players in such circumstances. Having been through the Adams is a waste of a roster spot and James Jones can’t get his head in the game eras, I take all of this regarding a second year player with a huge pinch of salt.

We complain about Heyward, Hyde, Randall being let go yet we want to give up on a very high upside WR after a year? No.

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June 02, 2019 at 02:17 pm

and they did step up, if AR saw them. And they have been open a lot. For ARs off year they helped him out pretty good. Besides Moore of course. And AR looked always just for Adams and tend to force it to him too much.

So when Driver/Jennings got a lot of targets you can argue that Jordy did not got a lot of attention from the D and should had even more yards that he had.
So the first year goes to the 2018 Rookies and there is a good chance that would be the same in 2019, even without a second year jump.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:05 pm

"We saw the confidence Aaron Rodgers had in throwing to Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown but with Moore not being able that trust it can be a tough hurdle for a receiver."

Confidence = 58 throw aways

Moore worked with Rischad Whitfield nicknamed the footwork king this offseason. That shows he's taking his own time and money to try and get better. Here's hoping it pays off for him and the Packers in 2019.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 03:19 pm

Jonathan Spader,

You say ....That shows he's taking his own time and money to try and get better."

That trait is hard to overcome and a way to success. As long as he has the "want to," he has the talent to be a go to.

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Lare's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:45 pm

"As long as he has the "want to," he has the talent to be a go to."

Not if he doesn't catch the ball.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 05:05 pm

Lare ,

You say .... "Not if he doesn't catch the ball."

So you're convinced, based on all his opportunities last year, he can't catch?

Boy did the Pack waste a 4th round pick. How'd he fool them??

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 07:20 pm

“Since targets started being recorded back in 1992, per Pro Football Reference, only 17 wide receivers have averaged 11 or fewer yards per reception with a 50% (or worse) catch rate while seeing 60 or more targets in a season.

Davante Adams is one of those players.

And among this group of 17 -- remember, these are guys who have caught 50% or fewer of their targets while seeing 60 or more targets -- Adams' 10.1 yards per reception rate is fifth worst.
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Of course, there's time for Adams to right the ship. But as it stands, it's pretty safe to say that he's having one of the worst seasons we've ever seen from a wide receiver.”

Review of Adams rookie season. Another:

“38 receptions on 66 targets (57.5% – a poor number) for 446 yards and 11.7 yard average is a good rookie year. A 10% drop rate is bad. Limiting it to round 1-3 picks, Adams had a better rookie year than Javon Walker, Robert Ferguson, Derrick Mayes, Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks, Frankie Neal (but just barely!) Nelson and Cobb.”

Get real people, even without the expectation of a steeper than normal learning curve you are flying in the face of history and common sense.

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IceBowl's picture

June 03, 2019 at 07:22 pm

Coldworld,

Man, you got the stats.

I'm very happy the Pack has provided a space on the roster for this guy.

Can you imagine all the ugly colors he could be wearing if those early years caused the Pack to drop him??

Ugly indeed!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 04, 2019 at 03:27 am

LOL, Coldworld. Adams' 2nd season was worse than his rookie season. His drop rate ballooned, his catch rate declined to 53%, his yds/rec went down all the way to 9.7, and his yards per target cratered to an embarrassingly low 5.1 yard/target.

Everyone knew he was playing injured and with a team short on receiving talent in his 2nd season. The decision whether to keep a young player probably has to be based on the eye test and knowledge of the player's capabilities and character.

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Coldworld's picture

June 04, 2019 at 08:22 am

I chose to avoid season 2 because of the injury, though at the time many didn’t allow for it and focused only on results.

I agree with you, investment in a player based upon first year performance viewed in isolation from those facts and history is nonsensical. Otherwise just go for high low end, low ceiling types. Less risk, less delay, less likelihood of being a winning team.

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Coldworld's picture

June 04, 2019 at 08:25 am

Ice Bowl, I hadn’t pictured that, but now I have the shudders big time. Not sure whether to thank you for your point or curse you for the image it has left in my mind!

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Samson's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:26 pm

No doubt J'Mon M. will improve over his rookie season. -- It's pretty much a guarantee that he'll be coached up better & have a better grasp of MLF's system.
Eventually Packer Fans are going to realize that MM & his comrades played a major role in keeping this team down for the last two seasons.

On another note: --- Looks like MLF had final say on all his assistants. -- Hmm... the media & their anonymous sources sure believe in deception.

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Since'61's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:44 pm

J'mon, let's begin at the beginning. "This is a football." Go forward from there, unless he tells the coach to slow down because he is going too fast. Thanks, Since '61

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Brian Ringwood's picture

June 02, 2019 at 05:40 pm

what most here didn't catch(pun intended) was that was straight from Lombardi and Max McGee after a loss

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Since'61's picture

June 02, 2019 at 09:36 pm

Absolutely correct. It’s a little sad that there are numerous fans who know so little about the history of their team. Thanks, Since ‘61

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sonomaca's picture

June 02, 2019 at 02:52 pm

He’ll probably improve a little, which is OK. He’s currently 5th on depth chart, so that’s fine.

If Kumerow outperforms him, that’s also fine. Moore might take 3 full seasons to figure it out. Don’t make him feel as if he’s always gonna suck.

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arizonayahoo07@gmail.com's picture

June 02, 2019 at 03:11 pm

I was watching the rookies compilation.. Wow.. Last year was a awful one. I think this 2019 season, will be much much much better.. Provided there are no major injuries.. If there can be continuity in all phases of the offense/defense/special teams improvements. Over the upcoming season.. I have this gut feeling about Kumerow pushing Adams and Allison.. I think it will be very interesting..

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Jonathan Spader's picture

June 02, 2019 at 03:30 pm

There's maybe a 1% chance that Kumero pushes Adams. Adams had led the NFL in TDs. Has a fantastic double move that is tough on any CB. He performed even when Hundley was QB. Kumero can compete with Allison they're both UDFA players with limited athleticism that find ways to get open.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:14 pm

Jonathan Spader,

You say .... There's maybe a 1% chance that Kumero pushes Adams."

You sir are too generous. I think there is a -200% chance Kumerow, or any Packer, pushes Adams. There maybe 2-3 WRs in the league that may be able to do that. Very few.

Personally. I think Adams is in the best situation in the NFL (age considered)

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:44 pm

IceBowl,

I know what you mean, but what is a -200% chance? 0,5% it may happen?

Dont mind, all good………..

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 07:20 pm

fastmoving,

No problem.

Way less than any chance. Not 0%, less than 0%, probably less than -200%.

No one on the team has shown anything close to Adams. I think, instead of Kumerow pushing Adams, all the WRs will be trying to emulate Adams.

And I say that is a beautiful thing.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

June 02, 2019 at 08:32 pm

My only concern with Adams is the concussion history.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 06:28 am

Ironically, the one receiver with the physical gifts to potentially do so is Moore, which is why one doesn’t give up on him at this point.

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IceBowl's picture

June 03, 2019 at 07:32 pm

Coldworld,

You are so right. The only folks that would discuss giving up on a player now are fans of devastating our team (Bear knees, Viqueens, or Lionesses).

I believe our team will keep the 53 best for our team without these other geniuses input.

These geniuses started their jobs on the ground floor too. Remember guys??

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 03:32 pm

I have this gut feeling Kumerow is not making the 53. On my list he is not top 5, but AR likes him, so we never know.
I like the younger, faster guys with a highter ceiling more. But we will see how it works out.

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June 02, 2019 at 04:07 pm

fastmoving,

You say .... "I have this gut feeling Kumerow is not making the 53."

Boy, I hope you are wrong. Just as people were wrong about Jordy and Thielen (for ex.). ("they are too slow.") Look who they turned out to be. If you run good routes and catch the ball you can play in the NFL. And earn millions.

Kumerow can run good routes and can catch the ball. It will take a he__ of a player to beat those qualities out.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 06:30 am

If Allison is going to play a lot of slot, I think that Kumerow would be a highly appropriate backup there. It all comes down to numbers, but I would be far from unhappy to see him in the field this year.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

June 03, 2019 at 08:35 am

Kumerow reminds me in some ways of Jared Abbredaris. Maybe not the most physically gifted but good football IQ and clean, precise routes. Hopefully he has better luck staying healthy and continuing to perform on game time when he has his chances.

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fastmoving's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:28 pm

Who knows, you are right and we can always hold out hope. Nothing at all wrong with that. It can be a lot of stuff happen...….

But I dont know about Jordy, he was a 2nd round pick and a fast one. But with Thielen (and I would say Driver) I know what you mean, even both were younger. But I also know that such surprises come not around often. On the other hand its possible, thats for sure and that should be enought….

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June 02, 2019 at 04:37 pm

fastmoving,

Sorry for not being more clear. I was saying that the "experts" in the media were saying they were not fast. Jordy in particular (combine 40 time).

I always thought Jordy had more than enough.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 06:33 am

Yes, Jordy was slow. Except that he wasn’t. Play speed and underwear speed can diverge in both directions. It’s natural: just like we can all have a good or bad test on any subject.

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June 03, 2019 at 05:34 pm

NCAA high hurdles champions do tend to show some chops on the football field.

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Jack Vainisi's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:39 pm

Much ado about what amounts to a fifth or sixth receiver. With them throwing less while utilizing the RBs and TEs more are they even going to have 5-6 WRs active? The main concern is to get 2 of the 3 2018 draft picks producing. If Moore steps up it's a bonus.

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IceBowl's picture

June 02, 2019 at 08:50 pm

Jack Vainisi,

The 53 man roster is like a 3D chess match (Star Trek). These positions are fought for and earned with muscles and brains and competition. Fought for all season long.

Nothing trivial here at all. Careers in many cases.

But I agree, those young WRs need to step up and earn it.

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Lare's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:55 pm

Moore is competing against the other WRs on the team for a roster spot. They are also all working out to improve their games.

Personally I'd be surprised if he makes it in the NFL. You get one chance to make a good first impression.

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Guam's picture

June 02, 2019 at 06:08 pm

I share your concerns about Moore, but I believe he would have to seriously screw up in training camp to get cut this year. Many have made the point that it takes receivers 2-3 years to become successful in the NFL and I think a 4th rounder will get every opportunity to develop. That said, he has his work cut out for him after his poor first year.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 06:36 am

If that were the case, many of the greats would have been out of the NFL before their career started. Teams look a little closer than we are here. If they judge the potential to be an illusion, perhaps, but typically teams invest several years where real gifts are perceived under the surface. The reason is that such talent is extremely rare.

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4thand1's picture

June 02, 2019 at 04:56 pm

Everyone has to earn a spot. If Moore earns more reps it means he's improved, not a bad problem to have.

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June 02, 2019 at 06:10 pm

I don't think we can count him out just yet... It take a couple of years.

I remember Davante's 2nd season and his fingers we made of butter... his hands made of stone. I was one of those who were calling for his release. But apparently I was wrong, so I refrain from judgement at this time.

The big question is, "Can he return punts and kicks?" because he needs to contribute in some fashion, not just take up a bench.

Hopefully he will be an up-and-comer this season.

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Ferrari Driver's picture

June 02, 2019 at 07:03 pm

I just think "Confident" is not the correct word to use; perhaps "Hopeful" would be more appropriate.

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Nononsense's picture

June 02, 2019 at 07:51 pm

Many HOF WRs struggled with catching the football early in their careers TO, Jerry Rice. Rice actually admitted to using stickum to help him get over his early drop issues.

The mental struggles are more of a concern especially with a new offense being installed. Still, one does have to consider that he came from a very simple offense in college into a long established offense with a QB who is hypersensitive to mental mistakes. Not an easy situation to walk into for any rookie so I understand his struggles a little bit.

I am rooting for the guy, I dont have a crystal ball so I hope he does enough to stick around. Otherwise they can always try him at RB...only kidding a little bit.

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Coldworld's picture

June 03, 2019 at 06:45 am

Well said. This player dropped from where his physical gifts could have put him because of the very simple offense he played in.

Bleacher Report put it thus:

“A raw talent coming out of a spread scheme, J'Mon Moore wasn't asked to run a variety of routes at Mizzou but could quickly develop if given time in the NFL. Scouts question his focus and drive, which led to drops and lapses in play. Good athlete with a lot of potential as an NFL receiver.”

A nice summary of pretty much a consensus view, a little more negative than some.

Focus takes me back to questions about Adams, Jordy and James Jones early on. Just as DBs struggle until they can react rather than think, so receivers tend to have the dropsies if they are too focused on scheme requirements. Add in MM’s notoriously complex adjustments requirements and Moore’s struggles seem wholly predictable to me.

We got what we asked for: way too early to make a call on Moore.

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June 02, 2019 at 10:38 pm

Time for Moore to show something. He should be super motivated by the fact that St. Brown and MVS both performed better than him. Yes it’s ONLY year two but others like Kumerow could pass him soon. Everyone needs to pull his weight or you won’t be around long. Nothing wrong with a healthy competition to see what guys are made of.

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June 03, 2019 at 06:47 am

I like Kumerow, but in terms of upside, not in the same league. Don’t see anyone close behind Adams, EQ and MVS.

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porupack's picture

June 03, 2019 at 08:01 am

Attitude is the key, and from J'mon's comments, he is accepting this as his challenge. Commend him, and we can certainly root for him to succeed.

Its easier to learn your second foreign language, than the first foreign language, so I wouldn't exaggerate the challenge that Jmon has to now learn a new system under Lafleur.

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June 03, 2019 at 09:08 am

Sounds like J'Mon has a great attitude. I'll be rooting for him this season for sure.

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