Packers Snap Counts Vs. The Raiders: Week 5 of 2023

Weakness met weakness and mediocrity reigned.

 

The Packers elevated Corey Ballentine from the practice squad for the third time.  The team will have to sign him to the 53-man roster or release him and then re-sign him to the practice squad if he clears waivers if they want to keep him available for regular season games.  They also signed Patrick Taylor to the 53-man roster as he was out of elevations.  The Packers released LB Justin Hollins to make room.  The inactive players were Aaron Jones (hamstring), Devondre Campbell (ankle), Zayne Anderson (hamstring but he probably would have been a healthy scratch, anyway), Caleb Jones, Anthony Johnson, and Malik Heath.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Myers 58 100 3-12%
Runyan 58 100 3-12%
Jenkins 58 100 None
Tom 58 100 None
Walker 58 100 3-12%
Nijman     8-33%
Newman     3-12%

 

The Packers' weak run-blocking offensive line met the Raiders' weak run defense and the result was a modest running game.  The running backs gained 78 yards on 22 carries for a 3.55-yard average and 1 touchdown.   Jordan Love scrambled twice for 37 yards to bring the Pack up to 4.4-yards per carry for the game.  The running backs gained just 25 yards on 9 carries in the first half.  

The pass protection was decent.  The Raiders only had 2 quarterback hits, both of which were sacks.  However, I think the statistics are misleading.  The Raiders generated consistent pressure, including multiple pressures from the menace that is Maxx Crosby.  Love had to get the ball out quickly to counteract the pressure, and that resulted in a lot of check downs and very little offensive production, particularly in the first half.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Love 58 100 None
Clifford DNP    

 

Love completed 16 of 30 passes (53.3%) for 182 yards (6.07 yards/attempt) with no touchdowns and 3 interceptions.  Love had a passer rating of 32 and a QBR of 13.2.  Love apparently didn't see LB Robert Spillane in the thorwing lane since he threw it directly to Spillane, who returned it to the Green Bay 24 yard line.  The defense held, allowing minus one yard on 3 plays.  The Raiders kicked a field goal.  Another interception was simply thrown too late.  Watson was open on a go route but Love rolled out from the pocket instead of taking a big hit in the pocket and then threw it to into the end zone.  Unfortunately, Watson had run out of real estate and the DB had time to catch up and intercept that pass.  You can see LaFleur jumping up and down in excitement on the sidelines when Watson comes open in this video clip but the pass was thrown too late.  The other interception was due to having to throw into a tight window: the DB deflected the pass intended for Watson and Spillane intercepted it.  The defense held again, this time pushing the Raiders back 3 yards on 3 plays to force a punt.

This was a forgettable day for Jordan Love.  His offensive line and his receivers did him no favors, and he had some breakdowns in his decision-making at times.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Dillon 37 64 None
Taylor 21 36 3-12%
Wilson 1 2 None

    

With Aaron Jones unavailable, the Packers gave Dillon the lead role, but Taylor played quite a few snaps, mostly on passing downs.  Dillon gained 76 yards on 20 carries (3.8-yard average) with 1 touchdown.  He hit the hole hard and kept his legs churning.  He even made a nice cutback to turn a small gain into an 11-yard run.  Per PFF, Dillon ran 12 routes and was targeted once, but Dillon had no receptions.  Taylor carried the ball twice for 2 yards with a long of 5 yards.  He ran 17 routes and was targeted 4 times, catching 2 for 5 yards.  Emanuel Wilson did not play and appears to be active only because Jones was out.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Musgrave 40 69 7-29%
Kraft 23 40 9-38%
Deguara 15 26 18-75%
Sims 9 16 4-17%

  

Musgrave caught 6 of his 7 targets for 34 yards (5.7-yard average) with a long of 8.  It would be nice to see him run some vertical routes, break some tackles, and have better contact balance.  Musgrave ran 23 routes (1.48 yards per route).  Musgrave played all 8 snaps on the Packers' first drive, but following a chewing out by Lafleur on the sidelines, he missed all the snaps on the next drive (7 snaps) and half of the snaps (2 snaps) on the Packers' third possession, but then returned to the lineup shortly after Sims caught a 12 yard pass.  Deguara caught his only target for 19 yards.  He only ran 5 routes (3.8 yards/route).  Deguara was put into motion to block several times.  Sims ran 3 routes in his stint and caught his only target for 12 yards.  Tucker Kraft played a lot of snaps (40%) but he had no statistics, though he make a nice tackle: unfortunately, he was blocking at the time and thus was penalized.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Doubs 50 86 None
Watson 49 84 None
Reed 29 50 4-17%
Wicks 13 22 None
Toure 3 5 None

  

This group is not doing Jordan Love many favors.  Watson caught 3 of 7 targets for 91 yards (30.3 yards per rec and 13 yard per target).  He ran 29 routes (3.14 yards/route).  Those are big numbers.  Watson is very valuable as the big-play option.  So far, he has not shown that he is a move-the-chains type of receiver, but that might come.  His numbers could have been even bigger.  Watson couldn't come up with a long pass that hit one of his hands.  He had the defensive back shielded off, but just couldn't come up with it.  And he might have had 2 touchdowns on the day if Love had hit him a little bit more in stride on his 77-yard reception and if on the last offensive snap if Love had thrown the ball a little earlier.  I would also like to have seen Watson contest that last intercepted pass which sealed the game for the Raiders.

Doubs ran 33 routes and caught 1 of 4 targets for 4 yards (0.12 yards/route).  He also had a drop.  His only reception was on a quick out that was designed to get the ball to him.  Otherwise, he contributed little.  Reed ran 20 routes while catching 1 of 2 targets for 7 yards (0.35 yards/route).  Wicks ran 8 routes and caught his only target for 10 yards (1.25 yards/route).  Toure played 1 snap but did not run a route, and thus had no receptions.

The receivers (including the tight ends and running backs) need to do better.  Love is too often throwing into tight windows even for intermediate passes, or is forced into check downs.  The receivers have to get more separation and LaFleur needs to design more plays that give Love some easy completions.  Love's check downs sometimes are a little awkward, but some of them need to be turned into bigger gainers.  And when Love goes deep, he has not been terribly accurate, so the Packers do not have enough to show for taking their shots.  Brad Spielberger of PFF has the Packers as catching just 6 of 24 deep passes for zero touchdowns and 2 interceptions.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Clark 47 73 6-25%
Slaton 37 58 9-38%
Wyatt 33 52 1-4%
Brooks 19 30 5-21%
Wooden 16 25 None

The Packers held the Raiders to 3.3-yards per carry despite playing just 2.375 true defensive linemen per play on average.  Clark had 5 tackles (2 solo) and a sack.  Clark's sacks seem to come early in games.  I have been opposed to playing him fewer snaps, but perhaps that would keep Clark from wearing down over the course of the game.  Clark had a neutral zone penalty.  Slaton had 2 tackles (1 solo).  Wyatt had 1 assisted tackle.  Brooks had 2 assisted tackles and Wooden had 1 assisted tackle.  The line did a pretty good job of clogging up the running lanes.  Josh Jacob did have a 24-yard scamper but finished averaging just 3.5 yards per carry.  Gadget guy Tre Tucker had a 16 yard carry.

 

Player Snaps % STs
McDuffie 61 95 15-62%
Wilson 43 67 20-83%
P. Smith 43 67 1-4%
Gary 30 47 None
Enagbare 29 45 13-54%
Van Ness 26 41 2-8%
Walker  17 27 1-4%
Welch     16-52%
Cox     3-12%

 

McDuffie led the team with 10 tackles (6 solo), 1 of which was a tackle for loss.  Eric Wilson added 7 tackles (3 solo) and had a quarterback hit.  Walker had 4 tackles (3 solo), one of which was a tackle for loss.  Walker left with an injury and did not return.  The Raiders seem to run a lot of slants.  The Packers ILBs generally kept those under control and provided good run support.  Gary had 4 tackles (2 solo), including a tackle for loss and a sack.  Preston Smith had 3 tackles (2 solo), one of which was a sack and he had 2 QB hits and he tipped a pass.  Enagbare, who had been quiet recently, had 3 tackles (2 solo and both were tackles for loss), and a sack.  Van Ness had 2 tackles (1 solo).  The Packers had 6 QB hits and 4 sacks.  The pressure was adequate, especially since Garappolo is known for getting the ball out quickly.

  

Player Snaps % STs
Douglas 64 100 10-42%
Alexander 64 100 None
Ford 64 100 None
Nixon 42 66 14-58%
Savage 36 56 4-17%
Owens 31 48 16-67%
Leavitt 2 3 20-83%
Ballentine     12-50%
Valentine     11-46%

Ford had 9 tackles (5 solo) and an interception.  Ford played well.  I assume that on 2nd and 6 from the GB 9-yard line Ford is coached to stand on the goal line.  That led to an easy pitch and catch on a little slant right in front of Ford for a touchdown.  Nixon had 6 tackles (5 solo).  Douglas had 4 solo tackles and 2 passes defensed.  He also sniffed out a flea flicker and prevented Josh Jacobs from throwing it back to Garapollo; Jacobs ran it but was tackled for was considered a sack.  Savage had 4 tackles (1 solo).  Alexander had 3 tackles (1 solo).  Jonathan Owens played a lot of snaps after Savage came up limping.  Owens had one tackle for loss.  

Jakobi Meyers wore the Packers out with slants.  He caught 7 of 10 targets for 75 yards with a long of 18.  The Packers held Davante Adams to 45 yards on 4 receptions (4 targets) with a long of 21.  The Raiders' got Adams matched up on McDuffie for a 7-yard gain and later on Preston Smith.  They held Garopollo to an 86.3 passer rating.  The defense gave up 17 points, 14 if one deducts the field goal due to a short field.  The Raiders returned an interception to the Green Bay 24, then ran 3 plays, losing a net of one yard.  That forced a short field goal.  That is a winning performance.

 

Special Teams:

Whelan punted for a 46-yard average (44.5 net average).  He landed one inside the 20.  Carlson made both of his field goals with a long of 37 and he made his only extra point attempt.  Nixon returned a punt for 2 yards and had no kickoff returns.  Yes, Nixon ran backwards on that punt return, but given the offensive production, trying to make something happen on special teams seems pretty reasonable to me.  

 

WR: 2.48

RB: 1.02

TE: 1.50 (higher than normal for the Packers)

 

DE: 2.375

ILB: 1.89

OLB: 2.00

DB: 4,73

 

Photo courtesy of Kirby Lee, USA Today Sports

 

 

 

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:08 am

I chose to use a photo of Dillon. I thought he ran hard, made a cut or two and he was sufficiently decisive. I didn't think anyone else particularly merited that distinction. Perhaps Watson with 91 yards. Still, he isn't really a complete WR. I don't expect him on 3rd and 5 to run a little comeback route and to catch a ball thrown at his kneecap for 6 yards, which we saw Jordy Nelson do many, many times. That may come.

While I am on the subject, yes I am a bit down on the efficiency and productivity of the wide receivers, but not on their talent. All of them have time as they are all young. But they aren't doing Love many favors. Doubs and Reed are averaging 45 yards per game or so, and thus things could be worse. Young guys in particular are going to have good and bad games.

I suppose in terms of snaps, Owens with 31 snaps and Kraft with 23 were movers. I didn't realize Owens played that many snaps and don't remember seeing anything glaring. I don't know why Kraft got more snaps with his 50 PFF grade, and I didn't see him do anything to improve his grade against LVR.

I have been contradicting those who write that Clark is playing too many snaps since guys making $17M can't be NTs playing 550 snaps. Yet it seems like many of Clark's splash plays come early. Perhaps giving him more breaks might help. Don't drop whatever you're holding - yes, I am changing my mind on this.

See Maxx Crosby. Run the other way and/or slide protection his way. GB a couple of times devoted two TEs to blocking him. Not much worked against him. Crosby signed for $23.5M in 2022. He's just better and more complete than Rashan Gary. I suppose Gary in comparison is worth $20 or $21M, but GB will have to add cap inflation, 8% for 2023 and arguably another 8% to 14% ($projected 256M cap limit in 2024 over 2022's $208M) since we are a third of the way through the 2023 season. That would put Gary in the $24M to $25M AAV area. Ouch! Franchise tag is less ($17M for LBs and $21.6M for LBs projected by OTC, but fitting in a franchise tag would be difficult and leads to hard feelings as well.

LVR has not gotten Josh Jacobs over 4 yard per carry so far in 2023 after he led the league in rushing with 1653 yards in 2022. GB held him to 3.5 yards. A creditable job, if not extraordinary.

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:55 am

They couldn't stop Crosby. - obviously.
P. Smith plays better than Gary.
Gary is NOW a changed player.
The speed is slower. Paying him could be
the wrong move for years to come.
Example- Nick Perry.

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:35 am

I am now convinced that you don't actually watch the games.

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:42 am

And I'm convinced you don't!

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:36 am

Oh! Ouch!

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 09:32 am

I think he watches but, with SH, what he actually sees always seems to be through the lens of his narrative.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:40 pm

Gary's agent is pushing for an in-season extension. I would hold off until February, before inking him longterm. I would pass. MAybe he would fit the 4-2 better, if Barry is removed? Felix was putting pressure on Cousins all day on Sunday. P.Smith showed up for a Half of football. When he was matched up with Davante, call time out. To stop Crosby, put a Fullback in the backfield as a protector, set him up to be trapped, or Dbl him 90% which seemed to have little effect with this group on the O line.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 13, 2023 at 04:17 pm

They doubled him with two rookie TEs.

That's bad coaching.

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fireball's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:03 am

I agree about Maxx Crosby. " He's just better and more complete than Rashan Gary. " Way faster and more ferocious.

24 million dollars a year for Gary. No way.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 09:51 am

Crosby is a wholly different type of player than Gary. He wins through speed and agility first. Gary is less agile, larger and more powerful. He wins different ways.

Gary, despite limited snaps is almost as productive in terms of stats this year. I think you are comparing apples to oranges somewhat and doing Gary something of a disservice.

We made Crosby look far better than he is, and he’s excellent, as a result of an OL that now it has met true pass rush has shown in the last two games that it’s a fraud. Walker had promise but isn’t ready. Tom can be over powered. Jenkins is neutered by the combination of Walker and Myers, which causes issues for Runyon and even Tom.

There is no way that this is the best OL combination in My opinion. Last night just continued exposing the fact that we can’t run block and we can’t pass block sufficient to give Love clean pockets against a team with no rush other than Crosby.

Where is the 6th OL? we were running out 2 TEs and a H back and failing to help. That’s a bad matchup to start with even if our TEs could block well. Put Jones (inactive) or Nijman or Rhyan out there. Just dumb coaching trying to cover over the consequences of failed OL coaching that LaFleur obviously can’t or won’t tackle. A classic symptom of a regime in terminal stages of decline. The best play by any OL was Nijman’s ST kick deflection last night.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 13, 2023 at 04:20 pm

💯

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fireball's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:29 am

Yeh, yeh, I know, Packer team is rebuilding this season. Still, offense does not look good. Yesterday I commented that I was beginning to think that Love is maybe just a " middling " quarterback, nothing special, average at best. After yesterday's game against the Raiders, I'm thinking maybe he's not even a good backup quarterback. Like another writer said, Love has had three years to develop. On the other hand, I have read that there were many people who thought Aaron Rodgers was not a very good quarterback through the first half of his first starting season. . . and thought, in fact, he was a bad first-round choice in the first place. And here Love is not even through the first half of his first starting season. So. . . maybe. . . he gets better?

And Aaron Jones out again? And even when he's in again, he can only maybe play half the time?

Defense was okay, at least good enough to keep the game within reach of the offense to win.

Alright, like I said, there were writers who said before the season started that the Packers, especially the offense, would not look good much of the time. Love would not look that good. The writers were right. Sheesh!

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Cheezehead72's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:42 am

Good thoughts. Now to give the writers credit that said the offense would not be very good is not saying much about their ability to analyze. I was saying that before the season. The Packers are the youngest offense and the least paid offense in the league which equals probably not good.

I went into this season wanting to see what this young team could do. I wanted to see how Love improved through the season. I still want to see his improvement but I am starting to wonder if it will happen. If it does not I would like to see what McGough has.

MLF needs to stop calling plays as HC. He has to decide if he wants to be a HC or a OC. I wanted Gute to hire a HC that was not going to call plays. The HC needs to be a person that coordinates and brings all 3 parts of the game together. So the HC needs to be on the sidelines to make sure everything is being done. MLF calls the offensive plays and he is the person that to JB to go to the booth so he could coordinate the defense better. So shouldn't the person calling the offense be in the booth. Oh by the way I believe both should be in the booth. The game is too complicated and to much activity on the sidelines for the OC and DC to be effective.

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fireball's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:11 am

I also " would like to see what McGough has. " What little I saw of McGough in the pre-season, I liked him. I actually liked him more than Love.

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:36 am

The old adage is that the most popular guy on the roster is the backup QB...apparently it's skipping all the way to the PS.

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Cheezehead72's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:25 pm

I probably should have left the McGough comment out but I am interested in seeing what he can do before the end of the season to see if we want to keep him. I am afraid that they will not be able to keep him and I do not see it happening because we have a 1st and a 5th tied up in the starter and the backup.

I am not saying he would be better but it has to be considered being as he is a gamer.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 13, 2023 at 04:24 pm

I was wondering before TC started if MLF was going to figure out he has to delegate play calling. There's too much else that isn't getting done that no one else can do.

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Lphill's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:35 am

no excuses for Love he's been in this system for serval years now, he needs to start making plays .

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:58 am

Throwing the Hail Mary only works, if your name is Rodgers.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 09:53 am

Except when it doesn’t and your name is Rodgers. The reason we remember some is that they almost never work for anyone. Hence the name.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:56 pm

When he is on the move, he has to learn the Rodgers technique of squaring up enough to launch the ball with forward momentum, not off the back foot. Then, the long ball to Watson in the endzone is a TD. A matter of a couple of inches. Still a great play by the CB, elevating for the Pick. This team needs Mojo. There seem to be very few Leaders.

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Handsback's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:02 am

The Packers are exactly what I thought they would be: young team trying to find their way. There will be more games like last night and more games like against Chicago. More disappointed in defense frankly than the offense. At least the offense oline as patched up as it is shows some signs of growing into a better unit…not so with the defense.
Just MHO

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:15 am

They only gave up 17 total points after the O gave the ball up 3 times? Only one long drive. That's usually winning football.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 10:01 am

I think that you have to look at who we were playing. We gave up what the Raiders average all year. Barry didn’t do anything horrible, but had the D lost this game it would have been shocking.

Unfortunately, while the D was not the issue, it only served to highlight the equally failed handling of the OL and seeming lack of any game plan. It seems the big idea over 10 days amounted to running Jones with little else built in and no fallback despite him still being limited and no ability to adjust in the two days since he aggravated it. That is not just pathetic but also probably negligent. LaFleur has been shown up as a fake for all to see.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:42 am

People are talking about having an identity. The thing is, the Packers don't do any one thing well enough to have that identity. They don't have a bread and butter offensive play and on defense they are kind of bend but don't break. IDK.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 10:02 am

This is what happens when your coaches are in completely over their heads.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 13, 2023 at 04:27 pm

Bend don't break works when you have a big lead.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:12 am

We knew this was going to start happening when the other teams started to have more scouting on the new offense. It wasn't terrible considering the timely drops.

Notice after the long drive where Dillon got his feet and started producing, they started moving Love into the shotgun/pistol and lining the backs next to him. The run game stopped at that time. They're going to rotate backs even when one's doing good and finding creases and the other one isn't.

As TGR said," I would also like to have seen Watson contest that last intercepted pass which sealed the game for the Raiders". That should come with more experience. I actually thought at that point he should have grabbed the DB's shoulder and interfered and lived on for another play. Like the DB who grabbed the horse-collar for a penalty but saved a TD when Watson caught the ball. How did they catch up to him if he's at 100% and up to speed?

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 10:58 am

I’d not dismiss the full speed question completely, but geometry. It depends on where they were to start with. I’d have to watch again, but he wasn’t behind the defense completely.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:47 am

He closed that way but still had to catch him from behind. I just hope he's not up to speed yet. Of course, some of our DBs are faster than Watson too, so I guess I should look at that DBs combine speed.

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fireball's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:06 pm

Yeh, I thought the same thing when the Raider player caught up to Watson and threw him down. I thought Watson was supposed to be too fast to be caught from behind.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:03 pm

Vectors. Watson also had to wait for the ball a bit. LaFleur has to get more urgency out of Love. If he continues to freeze up, the route scheme is lacking. Get people crossing his face and picking the DB/LBs.

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PeteK's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:23 am

Yes, Love played poorly, but as Reynoldo mentioned receivers & O line did not do him any favors. Love scrambles and runs for a nice 9 yd run but Kraft tackles a defender, ends that drive, on the last drive two passes were dropped that each would have gained 8 yds, even on the last pass Love was scrambling and could not put more height on the pass to a tall WR. Also, I was surprised how quickly the defenders closed in on Watson, who has 4.36 speed, on his long catch and run, must still be hampered by injury.

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:42 am

" I was surprised how quickly the defenders closed in on Watson, who has 4.36 speed, on his long catch and run, must still be hampered by injury."

Peters (24) was beat so he took the angle to take away the sideline and forced Watson back inside to his help. He made a good play to allow other DBs to get back into the play and force Watson to take the long path to the endzone.

The lack of creativity from the Packers offense-- who just pounded Dillon into a brick wall for two plays before throwing an uncatchable ball--was dumbfounding.

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:44 am

Essentially 1 RB per play, and the vast majority of the snaps to Dillon. I'm totally confused by LaF's doubling-down on Dillon rather than doing something creative--or, hell, even uncreative--with two-back sets or the other RBs on the roster.

Heavier TE usage than we've seen, but what did it translate into?

Once Walker got hurt, Packers played more nickel and less base. Somehow, they managed to give a lot of snaps to Wilson, McDuffie, and Owens and not get totally hosed down the middle.

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Rory P Scrotem's picture

October 10, 2023 at 10:26 am

3 Comments...Why did Patrick Taylor only get 2 touches? Why isn't Emmanuel Wilson being used more? Did the entire game plan change when Aaron Jones was declared inactive? If yes, then why are Taylor & Wilson on the team?

Jordan Love needs to slide out of the pocket & run more. He is not a Justin Fields running quarterback however,
he needs to pull the ball down, slide out of the pocket and run 5 or 6 times a game!

On the last interception, Jordan Love needs to be decisive quicker & throw the blow longer & higher...
every time to the uber-athletic Christian Watson...hindsight being 20/20 here. On this play, my mind flashed back to Jordy Nelson streaking across the field receiving a pass from Aaron Rodgers.

The last interception (and drive) was a perfect example of why Aaron Rodgers succeeded early. He had veteran receivers, Jordan does not.

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 10:49 am

"On this play, my mind flashed back to Jordy Nelson streaking across the field receiving a pass from Aaron Rodgers."

If we roll back to the first couple games of the season, 10 was hitting those crossers to Toure and Reed and Doubs and moving the chains. This is in part where his high ypa came from. There's now 4 games of film out there and Spillane sat on that crosser for the first INT. Ugly INT, you betcha. But the coaching staff needs to respond...and not just by throwing a lot of deep balls and short sideline routes.

"Jordan Love needs to slide out of the pocket & run more. He is not a Justin Fields running quarterback however,
he needs to pull the ball down, slide out of the pocket and run 5 or 6 times a game!"

Agreed! Virtually no designed rollouts last night. This is where most of his big plays have come, either downfield or with his legs. When 12 was rolling out, teams knew he might run for 5 yards which wasn't a big deal--they sat on receivers. Love can get 10-15 with his legs and has done it with some regularity. That opens up WR on deeper scramble route stuff (see: Watson, 77 yards).

In the end, 10 the pocket passer isn't getting it done. We realize that rolling a QB cuts the field way down and takes away some of his options, but it also allows him to make some plays with his legs and learn to take what he's given (or throw it away).

Defenses are sitting on the short-intermediate stuff and daring 10 to beat them deep. Something needs to change, here.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:04 am

Love doesn’t throw short much, going in he had the lowest percentage of short and behind the line throws in the league. I’m not sure I agree with you completely. I think Ds know they can stop the run and sit in shell a lot. When we can’t hold up the pocket that takes away the long throws or forced them to be in the move or scrambles. Love is less accurate throwing in the move deep and his receivers aren’t that good at anticipating yet.

That’s what Ds are doing. If Love has time in the pocket, that doesn’t work so well. Routes can develop and coverages slip. Unfortunately, Ds have also figured out how to overwhelm this OL. Unless and until we fix the OL, particularly LT and C, this will continue to be the tactics we see. With our coaches, that means a lot more of the same unless the opponent has no threat to rush.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:12 pm

You have to cross the defenders with more than one WR. Clear the zone and hit the trailing guy. Basics.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:40 pm

"Defenses are sitting on the short-intermediate stuff and daring 10 to beat them deep. Something needs to change, here.

Wait, if Im not mistaken isn't that exactly what we did and said pretty much all last season?

Nothing's changed and I do not see anything changing until the coaching goes somewhere else. If Sherman was humbled as he was, this crew will be lucky to coach Div III.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:04 am

with your handle no comments on the Packers sacks in the game?

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fireball's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:10 pm

Earlier this morning I was trying to remember if Aaron Rodgers had better, at least veteran, receivers, to throw to in his first starting season.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:16 pm

Jennings, James Jones and Donald Driver. Jordy was a rookie in 2008. He at least had guys who knew the passing game.

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dobber's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:24 pm

Jennings and Driver were outstanding catch-and-run WR.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 05:41 pm

Ryan Grant and Kuhn helped as well. Donald Lee wasn’t a star, but he was a decent veteran TE (Finley was a rookie). The OL of Clifton, Tauscher, Scottie Wells and Sitton was very good. College and Spitz less so admittedly.

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