Packers Practice Roundup: August 15, 2022

Fans get a hint as to where Jenkins might line up and the outside linebacker situation becomes a bit clearer.

 

Today's practice was a short, half-speed, jog-through.  As such, I am going to dispense with the normal format.

 

GENERAL/PERSONNEL:

Elgton Jenkins at RT during first team period.  2) Matt LaFleur asked about giving Zach Tom reps at LG with the 1s over Jon Runyan Jr. yesterday, says he wants to try as many combinations as possible, increase competition and see what happens.  Schneidman

Robert Tonyan now in the jog through too. Jenkins took a couple snaps and then Newman moved back to RT and Hanson came in at RG. Very light practice.  Hodkiewicz

No. 1 OL in 11-on-11 jog thru today starts with, L to R: Nijman, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Jenkins.  Spofford  [But Jenkins was only at RT for a handful of reps.  Still interesting.  TGR]

All signs suggest the Packers' best combination of right guard and right tackle is the one that opened the game, Jake Hanson and Royce Newman.  Dougherty and Eric Baranczyk, Packer Report.  [Note this is the opinion of two members of the media (pretty experienced people, though), and does not appear to take into consideration the return of Elgton Jenkins.  TGR]

The Packers released OLB Randy Ramsey.  Schneidman

Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs and Robert Tonyan all on the field at the same time for jog-through reps with the starting offense during team period.  2) Allen Lazard, Sammy Watkins, Randall Cobb and Josiah Deguara is another skill group with the 1s on the field together. Amari Rodgers and Tyler Davis running with the 1s today, too.  3)  Juwann Winfree (groin) is back at practice after missing yesterday. Important for a WR on the roster bubble.  4) TE Dominique Dafney (knee) is also back at practice. Another guy on the roster bubble getting healthy.  5) OLB Tipa Galeai (elbow) also back. That’s three guys in Winfree, Dafney and Galeai on the 53 bubble returning for today’s jog-through.  Schneidman

Also, WR Malik Taylor doesn’t have the red jersey anymore and appears fully cleared.  Demovsky

The master. Rodgers just threw a no look pass to Watson in a half speed period that would’ve hit me in the head if I was the receiver. Watson got it though.  2) Rodgers throwing quite a few passes to Watson and now Tonyan in jog through. Returning skill position players getting back in the swing of things.  Hodkiewicz

Haven’t noticed a rotation with deep safety with Amos today. It’s been all Vernon Scott.  Hodkiewicz

Also, S Vernon Scott has remained with the first defense while Darnell Savage (hamstring) is out.  Silverstein  [So, Savage is still not back practicing.  TGR]

Jordan Love is apparently the backup holder on FGs and PATs. He’s handling the duties today — altho they’re not actually kicking.  Demovsky

Here’s the Seeker in action doing rapid-fire punts set to a specific hang time and distance. Meanwhile, LB Kirk Olivadotti walked by and said: “This is how the robots are going to win the war.”  Demovsky, on GB's new jugs machine.  

 

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Coldworld's picture

August 15, 2022 at 05:49 pm

Mostly route practice for the skill players as far as I can deduce. Tomorrow should be much more interesting. Looks like Jenkins is on very light duty. Other than that, not much to read in to by the sound of it.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:11 pm

Since Jenkins is available, our best available line is Nijman Runyan Myers Newman and Jenkins. This could be a pretty good group. Hanson, Bakhtiari. Van Lanen, Tom, Rhyan , and Jones will be backups. We dress 4 backups.

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By the way, we’re at 89 now and have to be down to 85 by Wednesday. Anybody want to guess on the four cuts? I’d bet Davis and/or Dafney is gone.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Why would you think Bakhtiari wouldn't be starting if he's healthy?

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:00 pm

Because he’s not practicing yet. If/when he does I might have a different opinion. Right now, I don’t see him as a starter in the opener 26 days from now.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:18 pm

He might not be on the ROSTER week 1. If he's healthy enough to be a backup he'll be starting.

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Bure9620's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:32 pm

He may not be on the 53, starting on PUP

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 06:53 pm

BTW, here's a little treat for you from PFF. Of course you have the right to not believe them either. Pay attention to the first line.

"Doubs was the team’s fourth-round pick but has a much more NFL-ready skill set than second-rounder Christian Watson. Doubs ran a far more varied route tree in college and dropped just 15 passes in his entire career. Last season, passes thrown his way generated a 130.6 NFL passer rating, and he showed he could thrive in all areas of the field. Doubs has the tools needed to win the confidence of Aaron Rodgers and become the team’s No. 1 option as long as nobody else deserves that spot."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-bold-predictions-every-nfl-team-2022-nfc-north

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:04 pm

I encourage you to get as far out on that limb as you can…. The Romeo Doubs Era began with three catches, one easy drop, and a turnover.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 11:53 pm

How has the Watson era began?

The turnover was due to a crappy pass. High school QBs know they have to lead out breaking routes.

All I know is I feel much better about Doubs than you should about Rodgers. That TD catch Doubs had? That came against players that will be on a roster in September.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:14 pm

With an injury. It’s a rough game.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:56 pm

Yeah, those passes that you get both hands on before you juggle it and let the defender take it away are crappy passes.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 11:55 pm

Well at least he ran the right route. Your guy Rodgers apparently can't be bothered.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 16, 2022 at 05:20 am

One thing that's clear is that AR loves Doubs. Another thing that is clear is that Love adores Doubs (7 targets to Doubs who ran 15 routes against SF). Amari, not so much. He has to be schemed open. QBs look to Doubs.

It remains to be seen whether Doubs will retain some of that affinity with the QBs now that Watson has returned. And of course, when the presumed starters, Watkins, Lazard and Cobb, are available.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:10 am

Surely the question is not one of whether affinity survives, that’s there or not, but how often Doubs gets snaps. The key is to have affinity with all receivers. Cobb won’t play a ton of snaps. It seems pretty clear that Doubs will get a lot and that Rodgers doesn’t have an issue throwing to him or Winfree either. That’s potentially 5 on game day that Rodgers won’t avoid, without jumping the gun on Watson or Toure.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:23 am

Catching is what receivers do. Once your hands are on it your job is to keep it. Good nfl receivers make their money not just on routes but by catching balls that mortals wouldn’t 90 percent if the time. They also drop the odd dolly. They are human.

Does pass placement help, obviously and considerably, but even Rodgers doesn’t get that right all the time and he expects his receivers to bail him out more often than not. If you can genuinely get both hands on it as a wide receiver, then that’s one that’s on you if it’s dropped. Always has been and always will be.

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Coldworld's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:34 pm

And there are one or two here who assert he’s known to have had a drop problem …

In terms of contribution this year I had Doubs in the second, above Watson. I don’t see any reason to change that view. I also think we are underestimating Toure’s ability to help too.

This was a weird year for WRs I think Gute got 3 with upside and from whom we could also get contributions now. We got a second round guy in the fourth and a fourth rounder in the seventh. Just getting 3/3 that do end up making it in the NFL would be a remarkable and statistically insanely unlikely snd game changing outcome, but I have hopes.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:42 pm

15 dropped passes seems like a lot until you look at his usage. Watson had 16 on a lot less targets. 5.8% career drop rate compared to 12.7%.

That article was on bold predictions, I was more interested in the passer rating when targeted last year. And the part about versatility that Leatherhead seems unable to accept.

The longer Watson is out the more concerned I am about him at X. It would be nice to see CBs press him a little bit and see how he handles it. I don't think they'll try once he catches a couple deep balls but before then I think they'll sure try.

I'm not sure how much Toure helps this year but I don't like the idea of him being snatched up by another team. He could be a big part of the receiver group next year if all three of the vets are gone. So could Rodgers but I'd be more inclined to gamble on him sliding to the PS. Versatility again.

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Coldworld's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:51 pm

Toure has very good long speed (I think he’s faster over 50 than his 4.48 40 suggests), he can genuinely get deep—He had the second-highest yards per catch in Nebraska history, averaging 19.5 yards, but more importantly he’s got great short area agility and an ability to make incredible adjustments to snag the ball—we have seen that already. Toure’s three-cone time of 6.77 seconds would have ranked him third amongst his position group at the combine, and his 4.22 short shuttle would have placed him fourth among the receivers in Indianapolis.

He’s not as polished as Doubs, he’s a little slight of build to be an obvious X, but he’s got wiggle, so perhaps later, but he’s caught a lot of tough over the middle routes too. That is a rare combination of straight line speed, short are quickness and catch radius. If you haven’t, dig up some film. As he gets opportunities I think he will make a bigger case to be a long term Packer, he started on Friday as soon as he entered the game.

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Rarescope's picture

August 15, 2022 at 11:59 pm

No doubt it sounds like all three rookies are capable of giving Taylor and Winfree a run for their money. Packers writers seem to be pretty high on Winfree still though. I wonder how much of that is them being team friendly vs realistic observations….

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 16, 2022 at 05:24 am

The coaches yanked Doubs and Winfree after the first half. Amari, Hyman, Davis and Toure played the second half. I suspect that is some indication of what the coaches are thinking, but acknowledge there could be other reasons.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 08:29 am

Winfree just gets it done. He doesn’t get as many opportunities for spectacular plays but he keeps coming up with the tough catches in practice and did so in the game before leaving with a groin tweak (he was back yesterday). He has done so from all positions. That’s a valuable type to have on the roster, an ideal active game day reserve who can come in and play anywhere if there’s an injury.

It may be that that’s his ceiling, but it might just be his route to showing that he’s more. He’s not super fast (low 4.5s 40) but he’s got good short area mobility and a good catch radius and hands, combined with short area agility. He makes contested catches, runs good routes and blocks willingly and effectively.

Winfree was a fairly raw 6th round pick originally who had had some maturity issues that held him back. His problem has been health more than anything. He’s the kind of workhorse type teams need and like. He’s not the freakish athlete that Doubs/Toure/Watson are but he’s an NFL caliber one and he’s willing and able to make tough plays and has done so remarkably consistently in practice and preseason when healthy. I can see why both Rodgers and the team like him (Love clearly did last year too). Teams need guys like that.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:09 pm

Hey TGR, is there a difference in practice rules between PUP AND IR? I guess I don't understand why they made IR 3 weeks and PUP 4 weeks. Can you practice on IR before being activated? I'm thinking that would be the main difference?

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Bure9620's picture

August 15, 2022 at 07:46 pm

If they are put on IR before the regular season begins, that is season ending IR. Otherwise, they need to be on the initial 53 when placed on IR to ever return from IR. If on PUP now and never activated, they begin the regular season on PUP and do not count toward the 53. Regular rules apply, 4 games. They have 21 days after leaving PUP to practice and return to 53. Jenkins, Watson and Tonyan cannot now return to the PUP.

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Coldworld's picture

August 15, 2022 at 08:07 pm

Players on the (in season) injured reserve must remain there four games—it was previously 3.

After that point, teams can reactivate them if they first pass their physical. Teams then have a four-week window during which they can then elect to reinstate the player on the active roster (from the time they pass their physical and are cleared to start practicing again). If the player is not reactivated during that period for any reason, including if he suffers a setback, then he must be shut down for the remainder of the season.

This year a player can go on IR and return twice not once. But a team can only restore players a total of 8 times, so at most 8 individuals but one player could use up 2 of those.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 15, 2022 at 10:02 pm

I thought those were the rules for PUP. That was my question, if they're basically the same why not just have one or the other once the regular season starts.

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Coldworld's picture

August 15, 2022 at 11:16 pm

A player on the PUP to start the season must not have practiced in camp, but can be activated at any time (subject to physical) and then the team has up to 21 days irrespective of games played. In theory they need miss no games if the team chooses. There is no limit to PUP returnees and they obviously can’t come off it more than once. So IR is a bit more restrictive as I see it. I do not know why they changed the period for return, but I think the union pushes for it. Perhaps to give more chance to return?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 16, 2022 at 06:22 am

At present, Bakh and Hill are on the Active PUP list. As such, they count against the 90-man roster. When the teams cut down to 80 players (August 23), teams may but do not have to move them to Reserve PUP. Players do not count against the 90, well 80-man roster if they are on Reserve PUP. Teams have until the final cut down date (August 30) to move players from the Active PUP to the Reserve PUP. Again, players on the Reserve PUP do not count against 80 or 53-man roster limits. There is no Active PUP after the cut down to 53. The team must either move them to the Reserve PUP or activate them and thus count them as one of the 53 men on the roster. If they are activated, they do not have to miss any games. [Edit: Of course, the team can move an Active PUP guy immediately to season-ending IR, or activate him through cut downs to 53 and then place the player on IR so he can return. They can just waive or release the player, as well.]

Players on the Active PUP can attend meetings, be on the practice field, but they can only do conditioning. Individual drills, walkthroughs, etc., are forbidden. BTW, Watson broke those rules. GB will probably get a fine. I am not sure if the player gets a fine, or the team, or both. IIRC, Watson caught balls from the JUGS machine while wearing a helmet. Coaches quickly told him to stop. Strangely, it is legal for him to use the JUGS machine if he isn't wearing a helmet. The coaches took his helmet out of this locker the next day. Yeah, I don't know why the helmet makes a difference.

Players on Reserve PUP can be activated after they have missed four games (October 3/4 this year), but they don't have to be activated at that time. There is no limit as to the number of players on Reserve PUP who can be subsequently activated. The player then has 21 days to be either activated to the 53-man roster or to remain permanently (well, for the remainder of the league year) on the Reserve PUP.

What's the difference? Not too much, especially now that the PUP minimum is 4 games (same as IR) rather than 6. And recall that IR used to be 8 weeks. Using IR now is season-ending unless an injury settlement occurs, and even then most players end up elsewhere. IR players who can return have to count against the 53 at the time of final cut down, whereas PUP players don't count. IR players can return after missing 4 games, same as PUP. They can even go on IR twice and return twice. 8 players can be returned from IR. A player who returns from IR twice counts as two of those 8 times. A player cannot return from IR to the active roster in the last five weeks of the season through the postseason, as occurred last year. So, Jaire and Cobb for example could not return just in time for the divisional playoff game as happened last year. I don't see this last 5 weeks/postseason limitation for PUP players. I should really check to make sure.

So, if GB doesn't think Bakh can return until December, he needs to stay on PUP, not IR.

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T7Steve's picture

August 16, 2022 at 06:42 am

There was a mention that Bakh participated in the walk though yesterday. Is that fineable also according to your second paragraph?

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 16, 2022 at 09:09 am

I think he just walked through the walk through. If that makes any sense.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 08:35 am

Since the team actively took steps to end it, then steps to
Prevent a recurrence and it is an isolated incidence, a fine is highly unlikely. Fines have typically required teams to be found to have deliberately or, more typically, tacitly encouraged and tolerated violations.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 16, 2022 at 09:12 am

Thanks. I was mainly thinking of the regular season. I thought maybe it was better to leave a guy on the PUP instead of IR if they got to practice more before the team made a decision but if that's the same🤷.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:33 am

If a guy isn’t ready to practice leave him on PUP. He doesn’t take up an in season roster spot and he won’t count against the number (8) of permitted in season returns and he doesn’t have to wait any games before he’s allowed to start practicing after he passes his physical (it’s the first four games if a guy is put on IR in day one of the season, even if he passed his physical the next day). The PUP player could theoretically play in game one, unlikely practically, but playing in games 2 through 4 become increasingly more realistic.

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DoubleJ's picture

August 16, 2022 at 12:01 pm

If a player starts the regular season on PUP he MUST miss the first 4 games. After that he can come off of PUP and has 3 weeks of practice before a decision has to be made for either activating or placing on IR. The advantage of having someone on PUP to start the season is he doesn't count against the initial 53. Whereas if say there is an injury to Gary that will keep him out until week 8. He cannot go onto PUP now since he passed his physical. That means the Packers have to carry him on the initial 53 and then place him on IR. Therefore they don't have the same roster flexibility as say keeping Bak on PUP.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 16, 2022 at 06:29 am

It is four games for both IR and PUP.

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Bure9620's picture

August 16, 2022 at 07:13 am

4 games for PUP and then the 21 day period after the player is designated to return where that player can practice before being activated to the 53, he then must be activated to the 53 or moved to season ending IR correct?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 16, 2022 at 04:51 pm

Right. It is up to 21 days. Most players will need a ramp up period since they've been no contact (at least under team auspices) for quite a while. That said, a player can play in game 5 after coming back from PUP or IR.

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PackyCheese500's picture

August 15, 2022 at 08:14 pm

It is INCREDIBLE to have Jenkins and Tonyan back; they are both needed more than ever this year. I would opt against rushing them back, though, and would lean toward playing them more sparingly in the early weeks of the season. The release of Randy Ramsey weakens the OLB depth, and I think the Packers should sign a proven veteran at OLB, like Jason Pierre Paul, or trade for one, like Chase Winovich. Garvin/Galeai couldn’t get the job done last season.

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Lphill's picture

August 16, 2022 at 05:15 am

Engabare is going to be a factor from the outside he was another player who fell in the draft.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:42 am

Ramsey never really showed much on D, he played so due Fleur to injuries. He was useful on STs for a relatively brief spell in 2020, so it’s hard to say how much of a loss he might be. He was really only competition as a DPR/cover guy for Galeai and there’s a chance they could use those less with more ILB snaps. Right now Garvin and Enagbare look decent and Hamilton did before injury.

Galeai beat expectations in coverage last year though he’s yet to show much rush threat in actual games despite clear ability unless he has a free path. His size allows him to be manhandled, but so did Ramsey’s. Fackrell was bigger than either but had the same issue too. Kobe Jones had flashed and got a sack on Friday. He may get more playing time and an opportunity to make a case too.

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Mike Rossmeier's picture

August 15, 2022 at 10:01 pm

The missing man - Sean Rhyan. Is he even practicing? Gute has done good things, but not in the 3rd Round. Are we snakebit there? He should be at least 2nd team.

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Coldworld's picture

August 15, 2022 at 11:22 pm

He looked better than billed in the SF game, playing with the twos. PFF graded him well too. Perhaps he is taking time to adjust or does better in game settings.

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Rarescope's picture

August 16, 2022 at 12:10 am

I wonder if it could be a maturity thing - dudes only 21 and playing in the NFL. I still had at least one more college to drop out of at that age before I got my shit together. Also I believe he played left tackle. I think we’ve been spoiled with the likes of Jenkins who can play all over the line so we expect that to be an easy transition but I hear it can actually be a difficult adjustment. Hopefully he picks it up but like any rookie I’m willing to give him a year or two to develop before jumping to any conclusions.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 08:39 am

It’s really not that uncommon for players to take a little while to adjust, even without a positional change. He’s starting to show upside mid camp. That’s closer to the norm than the exception probably

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2022 at 11:03 am

My understanding that switching sides of the line all by itself (left --> right) is no small deal even if you're not changing positions...moving from T inside to G, where you have to get used to working with OL on both sides of you, is also a challenge.

Would've liked to see him jump up and take the job right away, but I think you're right: that's would be asking a lot.

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2022 at 06:13 am

Rhyan showed steady growth throughout his collegiate career, going from a 57.6 PFF grade in 2019 to 73.9 in 2020 to 83.9 in 2021. Still, Rhyan is going to be a project at the next level. He is far from refined technically, but his natural athleticism, build and progression at UCLA makes him a good bet late in Round 3.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 16, 2022 at 03:07 am

Thank you TGR!

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2022 at 07:17 am

Monarc’s “Seeker” football launcher. Awesome.

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Roadrunner23's picture

August 16, 2022 at 07:21 am

Thanks TGR 😎

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2022 at 09:42 am

Just having Jenkins off the PUP and participating in walkthroughs changes the short-term outlook of the OL considerably.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:15 am

Yes, but a couple of walkthrough snaps (literally) doesn’t guarantee readiness for game one, or that he will be fully himself if he does start. If one is in light duty at true walk through pace then there is still a journey to be made.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:46 am

You're right, of course...but it likely means they believe he'll be ready soon enough to get him out there with the 1s and start getting his mind around playing snaps on the right side.

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T7Steve's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:20 am

He's such an unbelievable talent in a contract year. We know he can play LT and I'm glad Nij can hold up there too.

Do you think he's going to get LT money for his contract? And if so, how will they be able to justify it with Bakh here and with Nij's eventually. I hate losing anyone.

What a nice problem to have and solve. We seem to have to do this every year, but it's worth it. Other teams can't even find their first five even when they rob our FAs.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:45 am

I suspect Bakhtiari is in his last season in GB.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:45 am

I don’t think Bakh is here next year regardless of his pkay this year and how often we see him.

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T7Steve's picture

August 16, 2022 at 10:51 am

It's sad. Don't you guys think Rodgers will be upset and call it quits too, if he's gone? He's closer to him than he was/is with Adams.

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Swisch's picture

August 16, 2022 at 11:34 am

In other practice news . . .
A REFRESHING TAKE ON THE GOODNESS OF AMERICA
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/green-bay-packers-tea-party-with-...

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