Green Bay losing Valdes-Scantling to Kansas City Chiefs

The Packers have work to do along the wide receiver depth chart. 

From NFL Network: 

MVS leaves Green Bay after four seasons with 123 catches for 2,153 yards at a 17.5-yard average, with 13 touchdowns.

Needless to say, the Packers have some work to do with theieceiving corps after trading away Davante Adams and allowing Valdes-Scantling to leave in free agency.

 

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BruceC1960's picture

March 24, 2022 at 03:24 pm

Rut-roh

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Savage57's picture

March 25, 2022 at 05:28 am

I'm more disappointed the Packers let ESB walk to the Bears for less than $1M than MVS signing with KC for $10M.

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Oppy's picture

March 25, 2022 at 05:33 am

I'm disappointed they didn't come to terms for less money to play with Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers told us that guys take less to play with him. I'm struggling with the paradox.

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:32 am

That, cracked me up. I like ESB too, but both he and MVS could readily be improved upon via this upcoming draft. It truly is deep in WR talent & speed R1-4. I think WR is the 3rd deepest position group in this draft, behind OT & EDGE.

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Oppy's picture

March 25, 2022 at 05:42 am

In all seriousness, in a perfect world, I would have liked to keep ESB and see him get a legitimate shot at showing what he could do with more opportunities, but I don't think he gets more opportunities with Rodgers at QB.

As far as MVS, I would have liked to see him stay, but I would not have been good with paying him $10M/yr for 3 years for the way he is used in our offense.. I want a complete WR who has demonstrated ability to play at all depths and execute the entire route tree for $10M. I would have liked to find out if MVS can be that guy, but he has never been used that way by Green Bay / Rodgers, so I can't justify paying that much for him.

I mean, MVS is now one of the top 30 highest paid WRs in the league (based on average salary per year). MVS is not a #1 WR at this point in his career, may never be one, but he's being paid like one.

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PackfanNY's picture

March 24, 2022 at 03:34 pm

Sorry, MVS was never more than ok. Made a big play and then would disappear. Was it the QB? The play calling? Not sure. We’ll see how KC utilizes him. That will tell a lot. Not worked up by it though. James Lofton he’s not.

Luckily, the Packers don’t play for awhile. No doubt we are drafting at least two receivers in the draft. Maybe a trade, who knows.

I’ll wait to see what Gute has in mind. I am sure he has a plan.

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dblbogey's picture

March 24, 2022 at 06:42 pm

$10 million/year. How will we ever replace a guy who caught nearly 30 passes a year? I'm glad we didn't pay him.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 24, 2022 at 08:44 pm

Agreed. But the free agent market looks old and broken and the Rodgers/ Rookie thing is a problem.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 25, 2022 at 07:55 am

Actually MVS caught more passes (38) from Rodgers during his rookie year. Then pretty much flatlined after that...26. 33, 26.

If GB gets lucky and finds a legit #1 receiver in the draft...like Minny did with Jefferson...I see no problem with Rodgers targeting him, particularly with DA17 gone.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 25, 2022 at 03:58 am

It amazes me how many experts in player evaluation comments on this page. You must be better than professionals in KC, knowledgeable better that Andy Reed and his coaching staff.

I bow to that knowledge you posses. Only I wonder was that just a luck they picked up Mahomes, Hill, Kelce etc...

Also if Hill got $30 mil per season, I'm brave to say that MVS worth even little more than $10 mil per season.

But, what I know...

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:44 am

PackFanNY, I guarantee we draft 3 WRs next month. At least. We need all three:
#1, 2, 3.
X, Y, Z.
Split End. Flanker. Slot.

Need is a term I’m using loosely, as I do believe we have talent in system who just never really got much of a legit chance to shoot their shot.

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ApplesAndTons's picture

April 05, 2022 at 11:48 am

Agreed. Thought this was interesting. From June 2019. Comments are worth reading.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/c05y7o/espns_rob_demov...

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:01 pm

I often thought that MVS was somewhat under-utilized in GB. Yes, his availability was reduced by injuries but the Rodgers-MVS chemistry was never strong. I fully expect MVS to flourish in K.C. (with Mahomes) - who is a better long ball passer than Rodgers.

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:48 am

I TOTALLY agree with you here.

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stockholder's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:03 pm

Not surprised! He would have been signed earlier. And when the packers got Cobb. #2 WR wasn't going to happen. Then Gute also drafted Amari Rodgers. Another indication; he was lower on the depth chart. Then there was the absence in the play-offs. The Cap hell. And Love; who can't throw like Rodgers. The bottom Line? Money. Job appreciation. Take it and run. Good bye MVS. You can be replaced. I hope your a better WR for the chiefs than you were with us.

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4thand10's picture

March 25, 2022 at 07:46 am

This all day. I’m jumping for joy

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PeteK's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:08 pm

Goodbye, he couldn't flourish with us. (3 yrs- 30 mil -18 guaranteed for a player that avg 30 catches in 4 yrs crazy) The irony will be that every bomb thrown to him this season will result in a TD. LOL

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RochesterPacker's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:10 pm

Not a great loss losing MVS. Have always liked Lazard better, blocks his bottom off! I don’t mind getting of rid of high priced guys that seemingly always injured. All about return on investment. I’ll get hate but #69 should be shown the door.

Looking towards draft, do not trade up! Enough line and we available. Build, build and build.

Go Pack Go

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Pantz_Burp's picture

March 24, 2022 at 06:16 pm

I understand why MVS left...it just stings a little more when he seems by all accounts, to be a high character person.

Regarding #69, I hear ya. I am wondering how long do you hang onto him (if his health is in question and he isn't able to take the field by at least game 1)?

I hope he is able to - when healthy, one of the best. I hope it gets resolved one way or the other...

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The_Justicar's picture

March 24, 2022 at 07:25 pm

Moving #69 would amount to about a $40 million dollar cap hit if cut, more if traded. Not happening.

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Oppy's picture

March 25, 2022 at 05:54 am

" I don’t mind getting of rid of high priced guys that seemingly always injured. All about return on investment. I’ll get hate but #69 should be shown the door."

Prior to his ACL injury, Bakhtiari played 118 games out of 124 total possible (regular season, not counting playoff games).

Missed 6 games out of 124. Guy has an ACL injury and we should just shove him out the door? I dunno, man. He has struggled to get healthy post-knee surgery, but I can't consider him injury prone. That would have been Bulaga, not Bakh.

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RochesterPacker's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:10 pm

Not a great loss losing MVS. Have always liked Lazard better, blocks his bottom off! I don’t mind getting of rid of high priced guys that seemingly always injured. All about return on investment. I’ll get hate but #69 should be shown the door.

Looking towards draft, do not trade up! Enough line and we available. Build, build and build.

Go Pack Go

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:40 pm

Good Luck Marquez!

I know Andy Reid will give you a breakout year!

Mahomie won't miss you wide-the-%-open either... ; )

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Swisch's picture

March 24, 2022 at 08:14 pm

As Rodgers was coming up small in the playoff game against the Bucs in that crushing loss about a year ago, MVS was coming up big with four catches for 115 yards, including a long touchdown reception and a clutch grab across the middle of the field in crunch time.
I would have kept MVS for the Packers.
Then again, what do the Chiefs know about putting together a passing game?

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White92's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:18 am

You now I thought if he were available vs SF, the Packers win that game. Then again, the best ability is availability, so I'm torn on this.

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MilwPackFan's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:43 pm

I know everyone loves MVS and I get he does more than stats show as he stretches the field BUT he averaged 500 yards and 3 touchdowns a year. Not worth 30M. When we draft receivers this spring, if someone had a crystal ball and told you that our draftee will give us 500 & #3/yr for the next 4 years, would we even draft him?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 25, 2022 at 08:07 am

MVS was a fifth round pick. He isn't Thielen, but 2100 yards isn't nothing.

2108 more than Amari Rodgers to date.
1896 more than Deguara
2039 more than Sternberger
2138 more than Jmon Moore
1610 more than ESB
2153 more than Yancey
2153 more than Malachi Dupre
1948 more than Trevor Davis (returner though)
1049 more than Ty Montgomery
1990 more than Jared Abrederis
5968 less than Adams - ya got me!
624 more than Richard Rodgers (better blocker too)'
1953 more than Jeff Janis
1319 more than Charles Johnson
2149 more than Kevin Dorsey
5015 less than Randall Cobb
1213 more than Andrew Quarless
6434 less than Jordy Nelson
632 less than Jermichael Finley - MVS will catch him this year.
2066 more than Brett Swain
3708 less than James Jones
1812 more than David Clowney
6138 less than Greg Jennings
2153 more than Corey Rodgers
2117 more than Terrence Murphy
2153 more than Greg Bragg.

That is the Gute/TT draft picks. The only players who gained more yardage than MVS has in just 4 years are second round picks Nelson, Cobb, Adams and Jennings plus 3rd rounder James Jones. While those five are better WRs, IMO, MVS has time to try to catch them. There are a couple of 2nd rounders, a 3rd rounder or two, a couple of 4ths, some 5ths and a few 6ths and 7ths who gained fewer yards.

So, to answer your question. The GM would be a %%%%ing idiot if he didn't draft any WR who will provide 500 receiving yards per season for 4 seasons in the third round or later. It would not be terrible in the 2nd round, though underwhelming.

This WRs are a dime a dozen stuff is utter nonsense. TT was pretty damn good at drafting WRs, but he had 12 misses from 2005 to 2017 and 5 hits, four with second round picks and a 3rd. Gute has taken 4 WRs, and MVS is easily the best so far. I suppose Amari might prove me wrong yet.

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:23 am

Totally agree with you TGR that the “dime a dozen,” stuff is indeed total nonsense.

The hit rate at WR in R1 is abysmal. Loaded with busts. Despite that, there are phenomenal All-Pro talents taken there. It requires both great skill to pick them out, and a lot of luck to land them.

There are also nuances to finding not only great talents at WR, but also players who fit your team needs. Add in the actual drafting of those players you target. Not an easy feat.

The outright consensus ELITE #1WR the Packers would benefit from drafting this year will be a challenging find and get, after looking at the offerings there this year. Not saying that player doesn’t exist, nor that it can’t be done, but damn, a lot will have to go right for Gutekunst to pull that off.

However, there is a TON of talent in general at WR this year. We should be improved if we address that position without making a single draft day trade. Great speed, hands, routes, toughness, outside & slot/jet.

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MilwPackFan's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:25 am

Comparing him to a list of mostly JAGS still doesn’t convince me we should pay him 30M. I'm hoping 5 picks in top 92 can produce one just-as-fast receiver who can produce the same in the next year or two, instead of 30M.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:47 pm

Depending on how the 1st Round of the draft goes, I'm thinking Christian Watson might end up going @ #28... (*I'm all for it if all the other big fast guys are already gone.)

Then take Alec Pierce with our 2nd - 2nd Round Pick... Can't expect him to be available in the 3rd. (I never thought he would make it to the 3rd round anyway.)

Gutey will be taking guys earlier than the BS mocks have them, just like he did Dillon and Deguara. Bank on it.

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stockholder's picture

March 24, 2022 at 05:37 pm

I say Burks, even if it cost a 4th. Before 22. @28 Watson. And if they see Pierce @ 52. Take him too. Olave looks like he could get hurt easy. His legs don't look developed enough.

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NitschkeFan's picture

March 24, 2022 at 09:58 pm

I don't mind trading up or trading back if Gute gets his man. But from pick #22 it is very costly to trade up more than a few spots according to most "draft value charts".

The Packers 4th round pick (pick 132) wouldn't move the needle much, perhaps up to spot #20 from #22. that doesn't seem like a great move to me.

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 24, 2022 at 11:10 pm

Agree. Using a 4th won't move the needle enough, so why do it? Waste of a pick. That 4th round pick could be another OT like Bakh... Losing out on a guy like that is silly. I pray Gutey let's the draft come to him and he takes BPA.

Personally, I don't believe the BPA at #22 will be a WR. If Gutey drafts WR no matter what, I will certainly be surprised. Granted, he will eventually have to draft a WR or three.

I realize Gutey can justify taking a WR at any time. I just hope he drafts the right ones.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 24, 2022 at 11:58 pm

If there is a targeted guy. Gutedkunst will move Up and burn a two. Stockholder may be right with the Burks evaluation also. There could be four wides gone by #15. He has to hit gold. McBride with the other two pick

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 25, 2022 at 12:41 am

Pierce will go higher. This is a draft where Gutedkunst will be moving up ,down and all around. If this QB group gets over-drafted, then the Pack has a chance for a difference maker. Two wides and McBride using the first four picks.

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4thand10's picture

March 25, 2022 at 07:48 am

Miss you around here BDU

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ApplesAndTons's picture

April 05, 2022 at 11:56 am

BernieBirdDog on Twitter says hello

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crayzpackfan's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:47 pm

KC paying 10mil a year for a guy to run really fast down the sideline? We can most certainly draft someone like that for under a million a year. Only reason he was even close to being a need in GB was cuz he was the ONLY one who could run really fast. Wish him well though.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 25, 2022 at 12:01 am

He will run the same routes for Andy Reid. Robinson will be the #1 target, Shuster the #2. It may work like clockwork or all three may be in the infirmary.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 25, 2022 at 08:25 am

Every draft has guys who can run as fast or faster than MVS. Yet most of them will catch fewer than 10 receptions and gain fewer than 100 yards in their careers.

I don't know that MVS is worth $10M. I predicted he'd get $10M and when he got hurt downgraded it to $8M.

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Qoojo's picture

March 24, 2022 at 04:52 pm

The loss hurts in that he was the only WR capable of blowing the top off a defense. He was too often injured to pay any significant money. Perhaps the packers will get a good compensation pick next year for him?

Packers really need to draft or find some speed at WR. Minimum of 2 players, in case one player gets injured.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 25, 2022 at 12:02 am

Get three more.

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ApplesAndTons's picture

March 24, 2022 at 05:07 pm

how much of his 18m is pushed to year 2? what's fully guaranteed at signing and what's the 2023 roster bonus look like. that's what i want to know. juju got a 3.25m 1-year prove it deal and i can't imagine he's worth that much less (JuJu is just as "good") than mvs to KC

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wildbill's picture

March 24, 2022 at 05:56 pm

MVS is no Hill, not going to take 8 yard passes for 80 yard TDs. Wish him well and if he stays healthy Reid will be getting him the ball more than he did here. No way we would pay that kinda money for him

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Swisch's picture

March 24, 2022 at 05:59 pm

The time to secure a player is just before he becomes a star, which I think is the case with MVS, albeit with the Chiefs making the savvy move to sign him.
Now, my concern is that the Packers will pay big money to secure a wide receiver just as he is declining from stardom.
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My fear is the decision to grovel before arrogant Rodgers is perhaps poisoning the team, with the unhealthy results including this loss of MVS.
How much is Rodgers involved in such decisions? I shouldn't have to wonder, because he should be quietly going about his business as quarterback, not interfering in the jobs of the GM and head coach.
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In any case, if the Chiefs are excited about signing MVS for their high-powered offense, then that's a strong indication that the Packers blew it by letting him go.

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dblbogey's picture

March 24, 2022 at 06:47 pm

He's played 4 years, done little, and you say he's gonna be a star?

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BirdDogUni's picture

March 24, 2022 at 07:55 pm

If Andy Reid and Mahomie can't make him a star, there is nobody who could...

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Swisch's picture

March 24, 2022 at 08:12 pm

As I said, dblbogey, the time to make the call on a player is before he becomes a star.
I'm going out on a limb to say MVS will become a star, and at the least I think he'll be an integral part of the Chiefs passing attack as a WR2.
There's no way of knowing for sure what will become of MVS as a wide receiver in the NFL, and I could be way wrong. I'm going on the record with my prediction, though.
I see something in MVS that apparently most of the other fans here at CHTV don't. We'll see what happens.

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croatpackfan's picture

March 25, 2022 at 03:49 am

It is amazing how many Packers fans are making Aaron Rodgers mistake free for all of his huge mistakes and ruining other players careers. When targeting MVS Rodgers throws was on the target only about 30%. Obviously MVS was to fast for Diva. Throws were most over or underthrown and way out the reach of MVS. That was confirmed by Diva himself, when he said that he owes MVS more better passes than he thrown to him.

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kennyg24's picture

March 24, 2022 at 08:42 pm

Agreed. The first and third paragraphs make a lot of sense.

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greengold's picture

March 24, 2022 at 10:20 pm

Eh…

MVS 2021:
16.5 Y/R, 3 TD, 18 1D, 47.3% Catch%, 430 YDS, 26 rec on 55 targets. 0 broken tackles. Yds/Tgt dropped from 11 to 7.8. Those are garbage numbers for a 4th year player. His Yds/Rec dropped by 20%!!!

C’mon! He had a route tree that looked like a match stick.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:13 am

Edit: Well, heck, I see your follow up post now below, but I did some work on this so I am not deleting this. We are a lot closer in our opinion about MVS but I still think we disagree in essence about him. Money talks, and how other GMs from successful teams value MVS is some decent evidence.]

16.7 yds/target is very good. Only Jamar Chase, Deebo Samuels, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Henry Ruggs and DeSean Jackson have a better number. 6th in the NFL for WRs with over 250 yards ain't hay.

7.8 yards per target is a solid but not spectacular number. I can't find any list that gives me an idea of his ranking in that regard, so that's just me having looked at lots of wide receiver stats. MVS' career yards per target stat is better than James Jones' career number or even just James Jones' stats while in GB alone.

First downs sucks at first glance but isn't bad if one considers that MVS only played 455 snaps. Ditto for receiving yards: not terrible for a half-time player. And yes, Adams and Lazard always got more snaps, so MVS is probably WR #3. If you are not willing to look at Stat per snap, well then yes they aren't good. He isn't an efficient WR. There is no evidence that MVS is ever going to play 90% of available snaps unless he is on a team that sucks, so I'd agree that looking a statistic/snap has to be placed in context.

Catch rate sucks even for a deep threat.

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:08 am

TGR, believe me, I’ve been looking at all of it for years. I’ve wanted him to succeed. I love the guy and supported him here.

His usage is not that of a “half-time player.” He was involved in 67.3% of our pass plays.

I just posted my full EDIT breakdown of his numbers further down in this thread in reply to Since’61, explaining my reasons for being grateful that the Packers decided to move on.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:00 am

I just edited to reflect your post and now I see this one.

Careful with the 67.3% number. Not sure where that 67.3% comes from, but I think it means he played 67% of the snaps in the games he played. It disregards the six games he had a big fat zero percent. GB played a ton of 3 WRs (11 personnel) but Cobb played 371 and ESB amazingly played 292 snaps, with Winfree at 143 and Amari with 103.

No question that the Packers played 1116 offensive snaps in 2021, and MVS played 455, or 40.77% of possible snaps. Should we extrapolate by doubling it? Well, I don't think even if he had been healthy all year he'd have played 82% of available snaps.

He had 430 yards. He averaged 39 yds/game and missed six. Seems reasonable to posit that if healthy MVS would have gained 240 more yards to about 670 for the year.

670 ties him for the 53rd most receiving yards in the NFL, which includes 9 TEs. That is low end #2 WR and middle of the pack #2 WR if one excludes TEs.

Allen Lazard gained 513 yards in 15 games (34 yds/gm) and in 736 snaps. I grant that Lazard (4th year, 3rd playing double digit games) is a more complete player. I could damn him with the faint praise of being a low end possession receiver. His Yds per Rec/Target are fine as is his catch rate. 28 first downs (.038/snap) is almost exactly the same as MVS' .039. I don't have route run figures. He is a very good blocker. I don't have either Lazard or MVS as bona fide #2 WRs.

Is MVS worth $9 or 10M AAV? No, I would not have paid that, something more like $7M AAV seems about right. So, we don't totally disagree. Is Lazard worth $7M AAV right now? My answer is no but I'd pay $5M, and hold my nose and pay $6M AAV since the WR room is a little light on talent. Fortunately, Lazard is an RFA and has a year to show what he can do out of the shadow of Adams and without MVS.

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:27 am

TGR, hats off to you and I totally agree.

I’m grabbing some exotic numbers/data, and trusting (more) the accuracy due to their $$$ betting origins. Accuracy counts there, in more ways than one.

FWIW, I’m not a betting man. This was literally my first time diving into that realm in my attempts to discern what was going on a bit deeper. I can’t/won’t spend much more energy on this. KC popped for him. I don’t see them getting ROI there.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 25, 2022 at 08:36 am

I think you've lost all objectivity about anything related to Aaron Rodgers. That said, I agree with you: I think MVS is about to break out. I thought he had solved his drop issue and was beginning to run better routes including the full route tree. I get the feeling that you think MVS is going to break out because you believe Mahomes is better than AR rather than due to anything to do with MVS's own personal development.

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Swisch's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:22 am

Actually, I've been hopeful all along that MVS was going to make it big with the Packers, not the Chiefs or any other team.
That being said, I do think Mahomes will get much more out of MVS than did Rodgers, not as a better passer but as a better teammate.
I am very down on Rodgers in effect holding out the past two off-seasons and thus showing little love for the Packers and us fans unless he gets his way as far as a huge salary and a huge measure of control in matters outside of his role of quarterback.
If you can cheer me up with some good reasons to be more positive about Rodgers, TGR, I'd be glad to hear it.
I'm still rooting for Rodgers to turn himself around in humility for the good of the Packers and himself.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:26 am

Well, does saying I think AR is a jerk help? 🤣 I do think AR is a good deep passer, but more so if it is on a line than if he has to put air under it. Though I think MVS tracks passes that are on a line better than ones with a lot of air under them. Not really sure about Mahomes, though he (really, like AR) seems to do everything pretty well and some things extremely well.

KC has Ju-ju in the slot, Mecole Hardman and MVS on the perimeter, with Josh Gordon and probably a highly drafted rookie. It will be interesting to see how he does.

I gather you think AR had tunnel vision for Adams. Not unreasonable as it was a little extreme, though clear #1 WRs always get a big chunk of the targets. It will be interesting to see how often Mahomes looks his way. It won't be apples to apples. Tyreek Hill got 159 targets on 867 snaps whereas Adams got 169 in 886 snaps. True, KC thows a lot and Hill got almost 25% of targets, while Adams was 28.5%. In KC, there won't be that incredible #1 WR like there was in GB for AR.

Edit: The 28.5% I think is technically right, but Adams missed one game and played only half of another. So when he was in the game, he probably was in the 31% area. Deduct 60 attempts from GB's 593 passing attempts (AR and Love combined) and plus in Adams' 169 targets = 31.7%.

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Swisch's picture

March 25, 2022 at 12:19 pm

I may be wrong, but it does seem helpful to call Rodgers a jerk.
It's important for seeing clearly how the Packers have sold out to this guy, and how much that hurts the Packers.
It almost literally sickens me to see him ruining the Packers.
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It also helps arrogant Rodgers to be called a jerk. He has to snap out of his delusions of grandeur and regain his good sense.
If I was as rich and famous as Rodgers, I'd probably get carried away with myself, too, but I hope someone would kindly but firmly set me straight.
I refrained from calling Rodgers a jerk this whole past season while expressing hope that he would change for the better as far as being more humble and more coachable and more agreeable.
He didn't seem to grow over the season all that much, if at all; and now the Packers have seemingly groveled before Rodgers even more by giving in to all of his demands and handing control of the franchise over to him.
It seems a tragedy for all of us as loyal fans, and I think the dire seriousness of the situation calls for Rodgers being called out as a jerk. He threatens to devastate the Packers for a long time to come with his poisonous arrogance and domineering ways.
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I don't like calling anyone a jerk, and don't do it lightly.
I'd be glad to learn of strong evidence to show I'm wrong.
It was much happier for me when for so many years I was a huge fan of Rodgers and almost exclusively complimentary to him.
It seems he has let us down big time.
Also, as expressed in prior comments, I've never stopped rooting for Rodgers as a player and a person.
For his own good, it seems, he needs a kick in the pants, or else in his madness he drags down not only himself, but all who care about the Packers.
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Please help me out if you can, TGR.
If you think Rodgers is misunderstood, that he has not been a jerk, that he is a person of integrity, help me to see a different side of him.
I can't see how fans of the storied franchise of the Green Bay Packers would tolerate this kind of behavior from any player.
If that player happens to be the quarterback, his jerkiness would seem to indeed poison the team in an especially horrible way.

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jhtobias's picture

March 24, 2022 at 08:10 pm

I thought Rodgers said people come to play with him ? Well he is getting good at these half truths' cobb came back lol. In all seriousness I don't want to hear Rodgers complain one damn bit. He is the highest paid quarterback in the league and if he is so special he should turn average to below average guys into above average player .

I like the strategy Gute is doing , Load up the defense , keep the rb room solid, shore up the special teams and make sure the o-line is above average .

Chap Ass Rodgers getting paid all that money should be able to deliver if not he is a fraud . Make your 50 million dollar mvp earn his paycheck love it .

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Since'61's picture

March 24, 2022 at 09:42 pm

Actually Deshaun Watson is now the highest paid player in the league. For some reason the Browns gave him $230 million for 5 years. Thanks, Since '61

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croatpackfan's picture

March 25, 2022 at 03:53 am

Not correct data Since'61. Watson got $230 mil on 5 years fully guaranteed, that makes him roughly at $46 mil per year. The top of the list is AR with about $50 mil per year, than Mahomes with more or less $48 mil per year, Josh Allen around $44 mil per year and so on...

So, Diva is on the 1st place by year salary!

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Since'61's picture

March 24, 2022 at 09:47 pm

It's absolutely crazy to me that the Chiefs would pay $30 million over 3 years to MVS. With the draft choices they have received from Miami they can draft 2-3 WRs in this year's draft and begin to replace Hill. MVS will be a place holder until the Chiefs find their replacement for Hill. He may not even be that if the Chiefs draft WRs who outplay him or if MVS plays as poorly for the Chiefs as he did for the Packers.

In any case I'm happy that the Packers didn't spend $30 million on MVS. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:37 am

Yup! That shit is bananas, man. Exactly why I didn’t want the Packers going near him - even for half that amount!

Full disclosure, I lazily said “He sucked,” last night regarding MVS. Thought an EDIT was necessary:

I’m sorry. He simply was not a good WR.

Good WRs compile good numbers in Catch% (minimum > 55% and really should be >60%), scoring TDs and in moving the chains (1D). They also are versatile, offering a reasonably wide route tree, regularly able to make themselves available during unscheduled plays, and win battles for contested catches.

Frankly, MVS’s numbers through 4 years tell a different story. His year 3 was decent, his best statistically, yet his Drop% ballooned to 11.1. That is a very bad number.

I’ve been studying his numbers for years, trying to figure out what we had in MVS. The fact that his highest Catch% posted through 4 seasons was a mere 52.4% says a lot. Last season that number dropped below 50… to 47.3%. That is a rookie number, and not a good one for a player in Year 4. Adding to that, it’s not like he just wasn’t being used. He had opportunities, ranking #11 in the NFL in Team Pass Plays Per Game (36.6).

Some may point to MVS being #1 in ADOT (Average Depth Of Target) as a reason for his low Catch%. The #2 (Chark) and #3 (Ruggs) in ADOT posted >60% in similar usage.

More simply, he had opportunity, but greatly lacked in efficiency.

In 2021 MVS did improve his drops to zero! Credit where credit’s due. However, his contested catch rate was 15.8%, ranking 101st in the NFL. Despite ranking #18 in the NFL in cushion allowed, he ranked 87th in Target Separation. Only 3 receptions on 8 Red Zone Targets.

His QB Rating Per Target ranked 99th in the NFL (32 teams x 3 WRs = 96…).

Target Accuracy #111

Catchable Target Rate #111

Target Quality Rating #109

Catch Rate #113

See what I mean? KC paid $30M for a #4 WR at best…

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4thand10's picture

March 25, 2022 at 08:05 am

This .This. And this.

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 08:29 am

Appreciate that. I thought it needed to be spelled out. These are money stats that really tell the whole story. KC will more likely suffer buyers remorse with the 3 year $30M they signed up for, as Since’61 clearly stated.

The often used, “stats lie,” has become greatly outdated with the onslaught and proliferation of Fantasy stats and metrics readily available today.

Betting has forced the data into the forefront in today’s game, and the quality of those numbers really have made them far more representative. So much is being discerned, quantified, extrapolated & published now.

We all saw it. The numbers don’t lie. Neither do your eyes.

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Since'61's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:45 am

Great information greengold! Appreciate you sharing it us. All the best to you. Thanks, Since ‘61

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greengold's picture

March 25, 2022 at 10:15 am

I felt so bad, just saying something flippant about him last night. People often misinterpret comments like that, myself included, as being an emotional response.

Those who know me know I’m cutting with my words… often. I studied the shit out of MVS for years because I wanted him to succeed.

Imagine, a guy that big, that fast, 4 years of playing experience with Aaron Rodgers, only caught 3 of 8 Red Zone targets in 2021… roughly 37% success on Catchable Targets.

It’s not baseball…

Imagine, he played all 16 games through his first 3 seasons, and 11 games in his 4th, and scored just 1.3 points per game. What is that? 1 TD every 5 games??? Wow.

I love MVS. He’s a great Dude, and I supported him here his entire career. Sure, I pointed out things that were not trending in the right direction, wanting for MVS to transcend into that quality player. 2020 was a glimmer of hope. 2021 a downturn, albeit while improving his drops, still a significant downturn.

Regardless, the cost/value didn’t weight out for GB.

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Packers0808's picture

March 24, 2022 at 10:53 pm

No way in Gods green acre is MVS worth that kind of cash. He is not that good except as a speed merchant and hope he caught the ball. He was simply not that good and I figured he wasn't going to be a Packer again going unsigned this long! Good luck to him, however!

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Starrbrite's picture

March 24, 2022 at 11:45 pm

I’m not in the Keep-MVS camp. He had a few games that made you believe he was about to breakout —-and then he would drop passes, not get open, and/or become injured.
I’m not sweating the decision- We can do better imo.

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davekenya's picture

March 25, 2022 at 12:11 pm

If Gute traded one of our top draft pics for DK Metcalf, I'd take that. His cap hit for 2022 would only be 4.3 million. He'd need to be extended as he'd be going into the last year of his rookie contract, but at worst would be a great 'one year fix'; at best extend him and we suddenly look okay in the WR room.

Would I trade Love and a mid-rounder for Metcalf? Have to think about that one.

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Tundraboy's picture

March 25, 2022 at 09:43 pm

You bet!

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HankScorpio's picture

March 25, 2022 at 03:23 pm

I very happy for MVS that he got a very big wad of cash. I'm very happy the Packers were not the ones to give it to him.

What's $10 mil/yr mean for comp pick? 4th? I think signing Jarran Reed and Pat O'Donnell will be offset by losing Lucas Patrick, ESB, Oren Burks and Isaac Yiadom. So the Packers still stand to cash in that chip as of now.

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barutanseijin's picture

March 25, 2022 at 08:51 pm

MVS impressed me in one game: the NFCCG vs Tampa. Other than that, meh. He never made a sustained impact on games. A minor role player at best. I wish him and KC good luck.

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ApplesAndTons's picture

April 05, 2022 at 11:52 am

Totally agree. Less than 50% catch rate yet no dropped passes last season? Hmmm red flags all over.

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