Packers Have the Right Idea with Rashan Gary
The Packers have the right idea about getting the most from Rashan Gary.
When the Green Bay Packers first selected Rashan Gary, I'll admit that I had mixed emotions.
As a guy that has watched Michigan football for years, I was excited about the prospect but I was also wary.
Gary's junior season at Michigan didn't go well. It wasn't that he wasn't productive, when he played he was, but he was injured. He sat out the bowl game, he declared for the draft the day after that bowl loss.
The truth is that Rashan is a different individual. He has created his own bobblehead doll and wants to have his own company for sports representation. He's a different kind of animal both on the field and off it.
At first, some of that stuff worried me. Watching Gary as I did with the Wolverines, I wondered if he was protecting himself from injury last season, holding back so to speak.
There were whispers around the Michigan State game that he could have played and the coaches wanted him to play but he didn't. Gary didn't do anything wrong, but the optics weren't great.
Of course, Jim Harbaugh denied this. But it started that narrative that painted Gary in a bad light and he was seen that way throughout the draft process.
And it's unfortunate because the kid does really seem to love football. He's tough, he's talented and he's freakishly athletic.
He also has the ability to make a major impact with the Packers and if you don't believe me, listen to Packers LB coach Mike Smith for a few minutes.
Pump Mike Smith talking about Rashan Gary, not caring about sacks and ignoring the Draft Industrial Complex STRAIGHT into my veins. Via @packers: pic.twitter.com/KEIUdhqkcG
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) May 22, 2019
There will be some adjusting, especially to rushing mostly on the edge. One point that hit home to me recently was how little Gary was given this chance at Michigan.
Gary, a 6-foot-4 monster, was often rusing the passer as a five or six technique and he certainly didn't get many one-on-one's either on the edge or lined up inside as a defensive tackle.
Those are both things the Packers should do and that's why having him be a 3-4 outside linebacker really is his ideal position.
The beauty of Gary though is that he can do so many things.
While he has the quickness of someone like Julius Peppers, he is tough as nails too. His run defense is impressive. The kid can take on a block, shed the lineman and make the stop, judging by the 119 he made in college, including 23 behind the line of scrimmage.
Gary also had only 10 sacks in three years, which is low. Part of the reason for that is that Michigan played him out of position. Pure and simple. He never got to be in the role that Chase Winovich was and if he had, his sack numbers would be better.
So kudos to the Packers for not judging Gary by what he didn't do in college. He didn't get a ton of sacks in college but he was a force and once he's unleashed on the edge, in the NFL, the sky is the limit.
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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru
Comments (67)
Bearmeat
May 29, 2019 at 11:11 am
I didn't like the pick when it was made and I don't like it now. Even if everything goes as planned, the GB defense now has 3 OLB's with roughly the same physical profile. (Smith Bros and Gary). I'd have preferred trading up for Josh Allen or selecting Brian Burns. Getting some speed/bend on the edge would be nice.
That said, Gary is now a Packer. He certainly has the tools. I hope my bad feeling is dead wrong and I have to eat a ton of crow. I hope he produces far more quickly and more regularly than Clowney, who he IMO looks like when playing. I hope he is hurt far less often than he's been in college (and how much Clowney has been as a pro).
WestCoastPackerBacker
May 29, 2019 at 12:16 pm
A lot of people wanted pure speed rushers like Burns or Allen. But they are basically one-trick ponies. Why not draft a guy who is stout (or more than stout) against the run with a very high ceiling as a pure pass rusher. You're not drafting him for what he did in college. You're drafting him for how he can thrive in the pros. If they had played him in that position in college, he may have had better production than Allen or Burns. But he can do more than those guys can do.
dobber
May 29, 2019 at 01:06 pm
I wanted Burns because think Burns would have brought an ability to play in space a little more. At this stage rushing the passer, yes, he's a speed demon, but he could be schemed inside or outside which meant that teams would have to find him and adjust to block him rather than putting him over an OT and having him get beat up. That creates more options for the Smiths and interior rushers like Clark and Daniels. In general, I felt that Burns would have more scenarios that would put him on the field.
packerbackerjim
May 29, 2019 at 01:52 pm
Gary ran a 4.58 40; Burns a 4.53 at 25 lbs lighter. I am simply blown away by these guys, Sweat included, who achieve these marks. No wonder the position coach is ecstatic.
Hawg Hanner
May 29, 2019 at 02:03 pm
Burns was too small for my taste. Gary is at the least a superb athlete.
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:18 am
So was Jeff Janis
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:19 am
So was Ty Montgomery and so was Josh Jones.
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:24 am
So was Ha Ha Clinton Dix
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:27 am
So was Brent Hundley and D. Kizer and Vince Young
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:25 am
So was Jason Spriggs
holmesmd
May 30, 2019 at 01:18 am
Don’t agree at all
johngalt
May 29, 2019 at 01:31 pm
Astute assessment WCP. Can’t say I was psyched about the pic, but it is growing on me. I’m also constantly reminded how little I know about football, and I think these guys do their homework. Kudos to Gutey and company for adhering to their value system. I’m excited to see how this plays out. Got a great feeling.
ottscay
May 29, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Regarding the issue of having multiple OLBs with the same physical profile - that is what Pettine wants. He doesn't want to tip his hand ahead of time about who is rushing and who isn't, and if you have a speed/bend player that isn't heavy enough in the pants to play the run you destroy that element of his defensive scheme.
Whether Pettine is right, or whether the coaches can get it done with the new players (and whether they all stay healthy) are all subject to debate, but I suspect that getting someone like Gary over someone like Burns was very intentional, as it's what maximizes how "multiple" Pettine can be with formations.
rdent
May 29, 2019 at 04:35 pm
I agree, Gary can get snaps inside or outside, besides Smith no one else in that group fits that profile.
Coldworld
May 29, 2019 at 01:08 pm
Exactly. I do not know Pettine’s thinking, but is extremely clear from his comments and those of other coaches that the objective was to have multiple top grade players of that type.
I don’t profess to have Pettine’s knowledge or to be able to divine his rationale. He certainly isn’t going to tell us all of the whys and wherefores let alone what he plans to do with them. We just don’t know how this defense will look except that it will not be that of last year.
Therefore preferring a different type of player is somewhat pointless. Pettine is our D Coordinator. He has his plan. We have to trust him and stop thinking in terms of what Capers did or Pettine made do with last year, which it is clear was not where he wanted to be long term from what has been said and done since.
jannesbjornson
May 29, 2019 at 02:38 pm
He wants pressure in the QBs face and to control the Edge. He doesn't want crash LBs that overrun the play as matthews tended to do. Perry lost his quick step and was ineffective as a rusher, but could hold edge and bat balls down. Pettine can stunt Gary and Za with Daniels if he chooses. P. Smith can play more in space.
rdent
May 29, 2019 at 04:41 pm
It took me a while to adjust my thinking, I kept reminding myself that oh yeah, Capers is gone, it's Pettines defense now. I am looking forward to seeing what he does with these players.
Bearmeat
May 29, 2019 at 03:54 pm
Yes. That is what Pettine wants. I hope he's right. He's shown his competence with a deck stacked against him in 2018. I hope he will show his brilliance with far better depth and personnel in 2019.
Coldworld
May 29, 2019 at 05:36 pm
I have no idea if this will lead us to a promised land but it sure is exciting to see a new vision emerging. It should be a much more interesting year this year.
jeremyjjbrown
May 29, 2019 at 09:20 pm
At least THIS GM gives THIS DC what he wants.
I don't think that's happened much this decade.
holmesmd
May 30, 2019 at 01:16 am
You have no idea what you are talking about. Stick to your day job. Preston Smith snd Gary are not remotely similar in stature or skill set.Trust the pros, they’re there to make decisions for a reason and they don’t care if you “like” a pick or not. Thanks for your opinion though
Since'61
May 29, 2019 at 11:14 am
As I posted earlier, I see the Packers slowly working Gary into the defense with increasing # of snaps as the 2019 progresses. It may similar to the approach they used with Ken Clark during his rookie.
Let’s remember that this would normally be Gary’s senior college season.
His speed should cause opposing OCs to keep track of him hopefully enabling one of our other pass rushers to get to the QB. Thanks, Since ‘61
Point-Packer
May 29, 2019 at 11:19 am
Ultimately we won't know if that was a great pick until we know. Until then, its all useless speculation.
Johnblood27
May 29, 2019 at 08:21 pm
if posting thoughts is meaningless to you, why do you feel the need to comment so worthlessly?
Freezn
May 29, 2019 at 11:26 am
I believe Mike Smith will coach Gary to be the same if not better than Chiefs outside linebackers he has size and speed he is also bigger and faster than either one of them
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:20 am
I agree with Point Packer.
RickInCali
May 29, 2019 at 12:33 pm
Seems pretty smart to get a guy who theoretically won’t be a liability against the run. Haven’t we seen enough of that year after year? I am optimistic. I wouldn’t be shocked if we see this guy playing next to Martinez..... we could send pressure from literally anywhere if we did that. I pray to see Gary, Smith and Smith on the field simultaneously.
dobber
May 29, 2019 at 01:08 pm
I don't think anyone wants to be too run/pass package dependent. Gary, the Smiths, Clark, Daniels...all of those guys play the run effectively and create pressure on passing downs. I think that spot next to Martinez--for now--is a real wild card. Get your best 11 on the field.
holmesmd
May 30, 2019 at 01:25 am
It’s Burk’s job to lose
stockholder
May 29, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Terrific young man. The packers need to get the most out of Gary. The first step should be at DE. Not OLB. He's 280. If the packers are right, he should be compared to Reggie White. 300lbs. DE is A position he's played. And a position we need to get more out of. He's got room for more weight. His strength numbers should be higher. The build up has been a best seller. It's time the packers get more from their Des. In fact more from the whole defense. Gary shouldn't have to learn a new position. If the packers loved his numbers, and character. They shouldn't wreck it by turning him into something he's not. Let his heart rule. His speed dominate. His youth bring Hope. I'm Ok with this pick as long as the packers can keep him on the field.
NitschkeFan
May 29, 2019 at 01:02 pm
This is my only real concern with Gary. Is he a 5-technique DE that the Packers are trying to turn into a stand-up OLB? We could always use another quality defensive lineman so if he is better playing with his hand in the dirt, then let him.
I understand Pettine wants to create confusion and uncertainty for the offense (different players coming from different formations) but I hope the Pack isn't trying to jam a "square peg into a round hole" again.
Do we want to see Gary dropping back into pass coverage and try to cover either a TE or a RB 15 yards downfield?
dobber
May 29, 2019 at 01:02 pm
I see Gary filling a role much more like Julius Peppers (Z. Smith, too). He played standing up and with his hand on the ground, rushed from a DT position from time to time. Sure, he got caught playing in space on occasion, but not very often. Still, Peppers was a good enough athlete that he wasn't a total liability in those cases.
Coldworld
May 29, 2019 at 01:16 pm
I agree Dobber. We aren’t going to see him as a cover linebacker. We might see him play ILB in run heavy sub packages.
It was made clear that he was starting with the OLB group to learn how to drop back as he had not had to do before. He and the Smiths have also been in with the line group and coaches at times. He will be coached to be able to handle OLB type coverage in order that he can be moved around without being a tell. Nobody has said he won’t play inside or hand down. In fact it’s been made clear that he will.
Eventually, Peppers role might be a good analogy. At least they are training him in that direction, which is one heck of a vote of confidence.
Doug Niemczynski
May 30, 2019 at 11:23 am
Julius was 6'7 295lbs just saying
stockholder
May 29, 2019 at 05:48 pm
Right NF. Garys words. Soaking it in! Peppers was already a pro. Their still playing Pegity! And while we work on the LBs. We disregard the Des. The problem for the last 8 years, was not getting the best players on the field. I felt the Smiths locked the OLBs down. Seems we still want to return to the Arron Kampman years. Gary should not be a guessing Game.
IceBowl
May 29, 2019 at 07:25 pm
stockholder'
You say ...."Gary should not be a guessing Game."
He should not be to our coaches, if so we can flush our season!!
stockholder
May 29, 2019 at 09:23 pm
No , I get you like him. Plus others. I 'm not against Gary. I'm against that he is a LB. Perry hurt his shoulder before the move to LB. I believe Gary is being moved for that same reason. To protect his shoulder. Is he going to start over the Smiths. NOOO. The packers needed a De. Datone Jones was a bust. CM3 gave up the outside and moved inside for Peppers and Perry. The rest is history. Flush the season is ridicules. You put your best on the field. ( Regardless of the defensive alignment.) Per CM3 @ILB. Gary should be a starter. He was a #1 choice. I get the Love. BUT HOW MANY PLAYERS FAILED ; BECAUSE OF "Do AS YOUR TOLD In Green Bay ". The case of Randall, Hyde, Dix, Raji, Etc. If Aronn Donald can be so good at DE/DT. Why can't Gary?
IceBowl
May 29, 2019 at 09:36 pm
stockholder,
No sir, as you say..." I get you like him." Not at all, except Guty and his team liked him. And his position coach likes him.
I have no clue.
But I do know the front 6-7 have to play together. It seems the plan is to mix them up all over the place. Not specifically LB, unless you have more info. I don't know how that will work either. Sounds great, but is all hyperbole now.
I guess I am a wait and see guy.
4thand10
May 29, 2019 at 11:46 pm
Ok , Let me say this. In a Capers style 3-4... when they went bigger at OLB 2014, 2015 ish...the better the numbers, when they went hybrid elephant the numbers were way better. and the D was better.period. It’s also really dependent on how offenses are trending. In Pettines interviews, it was pretty much stated that they wanted to get bigger at OLB. My guess, is it’s gonna look close to a 4-3 Since they got WAY bigger at OLB.
I’m pretty excited about that because I feel more pressure can be generated and coverage is better, because your not having to blitz your safeties all the time to get a little pressure. They can focus on coverage rather than run support. It also allows your LB and safety to focus on the TE and RB instead of worrying who to help which we had seen in Capers later 2-4-5 time and time again. Its speculation on my part of course. I absolutely fully expect to see Gary in a Peppers type role. The nice thing about Peppers and Gary’s body types is it literally makes your D more diverse. An example is ..when Peppers was at Carolina he was 3-4 OLB, then Chicago signed him and he was a 4-3 end for a lot of his career, he came to GB and they used him in both 3-4 and hybrid 4-3 alignments.
Like I said though, I’m super excited about this year...Good OL depth, Looks to be a good RB room, good OLB depth, The secondary has the makings to be something special, Good TE group. LaFluer seems to be a hands on coach, seems to be really engaging during practices. Plus, every NFC team has Zero scouting on this team or what it’s going to look like which I feel is an advantage. I said last year that Pettine was an instant upgrade ...and he was, this year I feel the D takes an even bigger step.
holmesmd
May 30, 2019 at 01:35 am
Great comments 4&10!
ChrisPeterson
May 30, 2019 at 12:57 am
I think Gary could be a great 5-technique. Could probably take snaps there right away and play effectively. He's just a tough, stout kid. But I think that is where Michigan made a mistake. They didn't put him on the edge enough and let him win a 1-on-1. He was always doubled. I think he is best being moved around. Using him solely as a run-stuffing DE would be a waste of his talent.
holmesmd
May 30, 2019 at 01:28 am
If the coaches think he can do it, why do you doubt them?! JP could do it and he was like 60 yrs old! Why not trust in the pro’s The worry chair must always have an occupant it seems
Rak43
May 30, 2019 at 04:34 am
Gary played predominately 6 technique at Michigan not 5 technique, although he was used at 5 and 3 technique on occasion.
blue eyes
May 29, 2019 at 01:11 pm
I didn't like the pick at first either. Then I look him up and found out he is a stud at stopping the run. GB needed this guy, hopefully he can do the same in the pros and more.
blue eyes
May 29, 2019 at 01:11 pm
I didn't like the pick at first either. Then I look him up and found out he is a stud at stopping the run. GB needed this guy, hopefully he can do the same in the pros and more.
PackersTommy3
May 29, 2019 at 02:09 pm
Practically this entire article is negative about Gary, yet the title somehow is positive. I don't understand it. Are we supposed to just lie to ourselves and believe that Gary was the right pick despite all evidence to the contrary?
Coldworld
May 29, 2019 at 02:53 pm
What evidence? I see an athletic freak who wasn’t played as a primary rusher and is excellent against the run who is also smart and appears to love football.
I don’t see any evidence that he was or will be a bad pick. There is never a guarantee that a player will make it in the NFL, but this guy seems like he has a really good chance to and, if he does, to have a tremendous upside. He also appears to be exactly the type of player Pettine wanted.
jannesbjornson
May 29, 2019 at 07:33 pm
Who went in the First rd, who went in the Third? That sums up the relevance of sack schemes in college ball from the Fans pt of view.
Van Ginkle went in the fifth. Mock time is over. See who shows Sept. 1st.
Rak43
May 30, 2019 at 04:41 am
Are you serious? You really think you know better than Gute, Pettine, LaFluer and the rest of the coaches what players are best suited to run their systems better than them? Or is it you think your T.V. and online experts know better? I'm truly curious because I know the vast vast majority of them are clueless clickbaiters who's livelihood depends on even more clueless fans hanging onto their every word as Gospel.
greengold
May 29, 2019 at 03:18 pm
Ha! Yeah, best to just be patient and see what they do with Gary.
The guy played a TON of DE, both 5 and 6 tech, played some 3 tech, but not much. He had 2 things working against him in the stat pile:
1. his job was to take up blockers. Going through all of his Michigan game tapes, the guy was doubled or tripled a little more than half the time, leading to point...
2. opponents ran plays away from him nearly all of the time, and I mean, with great consistency.
Rashan Gary holds the edge in the run game like a superstar, with readily apparent commitment. This kid wasn't drafted to fix our defense Year 1. He will grow into his position(s), and he's got great people to learn from. He's a smart football player, understands the game. I'm hopeful that he has a great season, and I'm willing to wait and see.
IceBowl
May 29, 2019 at 04:04 pm
greengold,
You say ..... "Ha! Yeah, best to just be patient and see what they do with Gary."
So true. We have gone from "hate the pick", "why", and "who" from the draftnicks to wow, what a good player we have gotten. Experts!!!!
Let's see how he is used and what he does.
greengold
May 29, 2019 at 04:57 pm
Yeah, IceBowl, I was one of those Packer draft fans who were initially crushed by the choice. What is really the point of that? I mean, the Packers spend millions of dollars on resources to determine their top choices with each selection through 7 rounds. Draftniks simply take info they are spoon fed by various outlets.
Hearing Gutekunst after the draft say that Gary was their #1 player that they wanted was fine for me. That alone gave me confidence, since it was "confidence earned," with what he has accomplished here the past two off-seasons.
Oddly, the only player I personally wanted GB to take was Darnell Savage. Oh, man. You can't imagine my excitement that draft night. WOW. Hoping for the best for all of our new draftees. I'll add, I really do think they are all very good choices, top to bottom. I'm one of those draft geeks, but, this seriously looks like one of the best I have seen in years. We've got insane and speed/size added along with some very highly touted talent. Gary is no exception there.
If people want stats to justify, then just add half of both Bush's and Winovich's totals to Gary's. That's essentially what we have with Rashan Gary, seeing how he was employed, and how other teams went the complete opposite direction from him with nearly every single play they ran, in every game played 2017 and 2018. I watched just about every game, and that is what happened.
jannesbjornson
May 29, 2019 at 07:36 pm
Nobody was ready to accept Gary because he was projected into the first eight slots of the draft. The Fans mentality was driven by every choice but Gary's from the winter of mockery to draft night.
IceBowl
May 29, 2019 at 07:50 pm
greengold,
I was not trying to criticize, just categorizing the reference. I am not a draftnick because, as you say ....."Draftniks simply take info they are spoon fed by various outlets." As i have repeated over and over, if there were draft experts, we would see a consensus. And we don't!!!!
Reiterating, again, what you said, ..... " I mean, the Packers spend millions of dollars on resources to determine their top choices with each selection through 7 rounds. " Yes, teams go into much more detail than can be printed, not that they want to share. But we have so little of the total info they have gathered.
I don't care about the stats to justify the/any pick, I trust (I have to cuz I don't know) the Pack/Guty's million $$ investment to justify their choices.
In Guty I trust. (I have to, cuz I don't know)
NickPerry
May 30, 2019 at 04:37 am
@ greengold…
"I really do think they are all very good choices, top to bottom. I'm one of those draft geeks, but, this seriously looks like one of the best I have seen in years."
Leading up to this draft I commented several times about the Saints 2017 draft. I said IF the Packers could use those first 4 or 5 picks and draft players who could possibly have a similar impact the Saints had from their first 4 picks the Packers could have the same type turnaround (from 7-9 in 2016 to 11-5 in 2017 to 13-3 in 2018) from one season to the next.
I honestly feel the Packers accomplished that. Obviously it's wait and see time but this class FEELS like the Packers just got a whole lot better with guys who will be starters this year or next for sure. I wasn't crazy about the Gary pick but I'll also admit I looked at the numbers first. I also was/am concerned about the shoulder but again I HAVE to trust the Packers Doctors here. The Packers drafted a STOUT run defender who also can get after the QB. Pettine WILL put this kid in a position to succeed along with ALL his teammates.
Savage and Jenkins were the absolute right picks and IMO instant starters. Sternberger will learn from two players who excelled at the two things a TE does...catch and block. I think that kid could be a steal and so will Keke. The rest we'll see but I do like Williams at RB and Ty Summers too. Summers is another athletic kid who will make ST better from day one.
Thegreatreynoldo
May 30, 2019 at 11:08 am
Even NFL GMs aren't draft experts. Some are better than others, but I'd wager that quite a few would have been better off listening to the media guys.
TXCHEESE
May 29, 2019 at 04:07 pm
If Gary works out well and we end up with he and the Smiths all terrorizing QB's, having all 3 is a good thing isn't it? And having Gary around gives the GM more options in a couple of years when the Smith contracts get expensive. About the only place he can't play is ILB and NT. So many options for Petine as far a mixing and matching his fronts this year. IF they can stay healthy.
IceBowl
May 29, 2019 at 04:14 pm
TXCHEESE,
I do not know what would disqualify Gary from playing ILB. Not his measurables.
Cuz he's a rook?
4thand10
May 29, 2019 at 11:56 pm
ILBs have to have sideline to sideline speed in addition to being able to pop an RB if they get past the front. They also have to be able to diagnose plays and set the defense. Carry a TE for 10-15 yards until safety help arrives. Gary’s is not that type of player, however he can play both DE spots or rush the QB from the outside edge OLB spot on the line of scrimmage.
Lare
May 29, 2019 at 04:57 pm
I'm willing to wait and see what the coaching staff has in their plans for Rashan Gary. He may be a player scheduled to fill in for another that could be cut in the future. Depends on his size and how he performs in the coming year.
IceBowl
May 29, 2019 at 07:47 pm
Lare,
You say .... "Depends on his size....." We know that.Am I missing something?
I am certain he will play plenty this season (#12 pick)
And, as you say, a future starter for a cut player. Of course.
Jerry Hansen
May 30, 2019 at 07:36 am
This high of a pick..SHOULD have no questions!! He should have been an immediate impact player w proven skill and PRODUCTION!
fthisJack
May 30, 2019 at 09:01 am
there are no guarantees on any draft picks including 1-10.
Jerry Hansen
May 30, 2019 at 07:34 am
Why use the 12th overall pick on a player w fair only stats and has been consistently hurt? This pick could have been used for a slot receiver, OT, Top Tier TE, ILB,
With holes all over the roster and the the 12th pick for Gary STUNS me! Management and the kool-aid drinkers can paint this anyway they want, but look at his history!!!
dobber
May 30, 2019 at 01:12 pm
He was hurt his junior year, but played in every game his first two years, and 9 during his junior year.
ScaryGary
May 30, 2019 at 10:27 pm
They are starting to believe!
Mark S
June 04, 2019 at 10:18 am
Let me get this straight. Smith is one of the best OLB coaches in the NFL, from one of the rising star teams run by formerly OUR OWN Mr Andy Reed. He molded Ford and Houston into stud stars.
So now what he's suddenly stupid because we draft a kid as fast as Ford, a lot bigger than Hoston and a better run defender & more physical than both put together? Just because we're not sure where he'll fit, or he doesn't have many pass rush moves. Trust me, after playing 10 years of football mostly at DE & teaching middle schoolers to pass rush it ain't rocket science, just muscle memory. Remember the "club" didn't make Reggie, Reggie made the club. Player 1st always