Packers 24 Washington 10: Game Balls and Lame Calls

Red zone defense turnaround keys sixth win in a row.

Bend but don’t break?  How about Bend and then Dominate?  This Jekyll and Hyde Packer defense is full of surprises, some of them actually good.  After being riddled for 430 yards in the middle of the field, Green Bay’s D, with a historically bad red zone stop rate, comes up with FOUR, count them, FOUR stops inside their own 20.  In fact, it felt like Washington spent the whole game inside the Packers 20. 

 

Fortunately for the Green and Gold, the Football Team lacks more than just a nickname.  They lack a quarterback with any kind of judgement or decision-making ability.  Taylor Heinecke can run, and he can throw, until it matters.  His inexplicable gaffe giving himself up short of the goal line was a pivotal moment.  His decision to throw to Humphries in the end zone when he was completely covered by Chandon Sullivan, resulting in a pick, was nothing short of Jay Cutler-esque. 

 

For the umpteenth time, it’s accurate to say the critical difference in the game was the chasm between the two quarterbacks.  While Heinecke was bumbling away one chance after another, Aaron Rodgers was calmly orchestrating four scoring drives of 75, 72, 27 and 79 yards, the key word being scoring drives.  It was a rough day for his offensive line.  QB12 had to work hard for each one of his 274 passing yards, often running for his life.  But at the end of the day, he posted a 127.6 rating.  Heinecke finished at 86.3. 

 

The overall offensive stats were not prolific.  Just 304 total yards, and only 57 on the ground.  But unlike his Washington counterpart, Rodgers was lethal in the clutch, converting key third downs with his legs and arm.  The usual Game Ball recognitions go out to Rodgers and his football soul mate Davante Adams, who caught six for 76 and a score, including a spectacular grab along the sideline for 26 yards on the final play of the third quarter.  Let’s move on to some other stars of the game. 

 

GAME BALLS 

Allen Lazard 

Rodgers did a much better job of spreading the ball around in this game, and lucky number 13 was one of the top beneficiaries.  Five catches for 60 yards and a score.  On the second quarter touchdown drive, the Iowa State product caught throws of 14, 19 and ten yards, the last one in the end zone.  Lazard does so much of the blocking dirty work, it’s great to see him get the ball. 

 

Robert Tonyan 

Ditto for number 85.  Quiet most of this season, Tonyan finally got some looks both short and deep.  He wound up with four for 63, including a pretty fade route into the end zone from 20 yards out. 

 

Rashan Gary 

He’s been breathing down the necks of quarterbacks all year, but just missing the big plays.  No missing this time.  His strip sack caused a big turnover in the third quarter.  He had a huge goal line stop of running back Antonio Gibson, had Heinecke around the legs forcing a short, ineffective pass, got a 4th quarter sack, and played his best game of the year on a day when his team needed it the most.  He was last seen walking gingerly off the field.  Let’s hope he’s not hurt. 

 

Corey Bojorquez 

Two clutch punts played a larger role in the victory than most will realize.  His 53 yarder from his own end zone with no return bailed the Packers out of a dire field position situation.  His nine-iron kick that bounced within inches of the goal line and backed up beautifully to be downed at the three was a masterpiece.  What an underrated last minute trade this was. 

 

LAME CALLS 

PI on Douglas 

A couple of picky ones this week.  The second quarter call on Rasul Douglas was a head scratcher.  The receiver clearly ran into him, and Douglas appeared to be defending himself.  At the time, the call was critical, as it came on a third and seven and kept the defense from getting off the field. 

 

Continued Kicking Issues 

Mason Crosby uncharacteristically kicked one field goal attempt too low allowing it to be easily blocked.  Then nearly missed a PAT when it doinked the upright and went through.  The suspense is back in the Green Bay kicking unit. 

 

 

AFTERTHOUGHTS 

Aaron Rodgers:  “We didn’t protect necessarily that well, and we had some opportunities if we just hold up a little bit longer...but I feel like we're close.  We’ve got to find ways to get the ball to guys in space, but when our defense is playing like they did today, we’re going to be tough to beat.” 

 

Rashan Gary (on why the defense played so well in the red zone):  “We were just locked in and concentrating, just understanding what they like to do and taking it away from them. ...Series by series we got better through the whole game.” 

 

Robert Tonyan:  It was good to be back in the end zone, that’s for sure....Today I was a little bit more part of the pass game and it feels good to get in the end zone and get some production, but at the end of the day it’s a win and that’s all I care about.” 

 

Chandon Sullivan:  “This whole week we’ve been emphasizing red zone defense.  We had to get better and this time we came out and did exactly what we had to do.”  

 

 

THREE AND OUT 

•  I debated giving a game ball to the defensive line.  They dominated the final quarter and played inspired football in the red zone.  But between the twenties they generated almost no pass rush and couldn’t stop the run, particularly the running of Heinecke.  So they kind of broke even. 

 

•  Kudos to the kick coverage unit.  Washington was intentionally running all of Green Bay’s kickoffs out of the end zone, thinking they could exploit what has been a weakness.  But the coverage team did an excellent job, never allowing a return past the 29, and holding all but one inside the 23.  

 

•  As I watched young Taylor Heinecke stumble through all those backbreaking miscues, I couldn’t help but wonder if that’s what we’re in for when Jordan Love takes over at quarterback.  It reminded me of Love’s play in the preseason, where he moved the team skillfully downfield, only to implode in the red zone.  Oh well, that’s a concern for another day.  These Packers are 6-1, with a lot of momentum heading into their biggest game of the season on Thursday night.  

 

 

 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Fabio's picture

October 25, 2021 at 07:51 am

Hi Ken. I always read your articles very willingly.
I love this team .... I love how they resist and I love all the effort they show to put on the pitch ..... I love AR .... I love Davante, Allen, AJ, Dillon, Tonyan, KC, .... I love all of these players.
Every game I have watched (excluding NO) I have loved the effort we made to win and I feel truly proud to be a Green Bay Packers.
But then I happen to see Tampa matches every now and then ..... and what was so damn hard for us was child's play for them (ask the Bears).
I think (as for too long now) we are a good team again this year, but there are always some teams that are realistically better.
But my faith remains unshakable
Greetings from Italy
GPG

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 03:48 pm

Don't worry Fabio. This year, Tampa may have only one more bad game. That will be at the hands of the Packers in the post-season.

Go Pack Go!

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Bearmeat's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:02 am

RE: Your last point.

There is no way in hell Rodgers is back next year unless Love sucks in practice all season - something only the people inside 1265 will know, and they certainly won't be talking. We are all in for this year. As you (rightly) said.

1. Tom Brady is a freak. Aaron Rodgers, soon, will start to become less and less effective. I remain convinced Tommy is on PEDs.
2. The team is in salary cap hell next year. Thinking that Gute can somehow fit 12, 17, 55 and 23 under the cap is a fool's errand in 2022.
3. You cannot have your players run your front office or coaching staff. Can't happen. Rodgers, Crosby, Adams, Z, P, Cobb, Turner, King and maybe even Bakh (in 23) will be goners and the youth movement will be underway.

Jordan Love, barring a seismic shift, will be the Packers QB in 2022. And that is a good thing. Father Time is undefeated and will remain so for Aaron Charles Rodgers.

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Cubbygold's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:16 am

I find it interesting to watch the narrative change around Mahomes these days... I'm expecting the 'Andy Reid is on the hot seat' takes to begin at some point too.

The NFL is so compelling because of the rules it's put in place to prevent dynasties. (I wish the MLB did this) Mahomes signs a mega-deal, suddenly KC has no money to build an o-line or field a competent defense. Meanwhile the hottest team in the league has a QB on a rookie contract and the reigning champs have a QB that consistently takes lower cap hits to field competitive teams.

The Jordan Love era is going to bring a lot of change to GB, but it's necessary change as you point out.

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MarkinMadison's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:33 am

I was just having a similar conversation last night about the Chiefs, their current record, and Mahommes' contract.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:47 am

M in M, I’ve been having that conversation for over 20 years. I call it the Quarterback Trap. You lock up a great young QB. Then you get weapons, and blockers. Where do you economize? On defense, of course. Injuries hit you and you end up with a great QB surrounded by a mediocre team. Then your QB gets hurt and now you’ve got nothing.

It’s not Rodgers or Love in 2022, it’s Rodgers OR Love, plus $40 million, plus whatever Rodgers brings in trade. We could put a very deep, powerful team on the field next year if we choose to.

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Coldworld's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:54 am

We hear a lot of people say that the cap is flexible, but only to a point and we appear to be well past that. So major change is coming: the word I’d use is ‘inevitable’.

We have all been imploring the team to throw the kitchen sink at giving Rodgers a real shot at the Super Bowl before he declines. Well, they did. Whether Rodgers plays till he’s 50 or 40, that came at a price. If Rodgers stays, little stays with him. If Rodgers goes they begin rebuilding with a young corps. This is the last season of the Rodgers summer. Inevitably.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:44 am

We won a Super Bowl 10 years ago, but we’ve come up short 4 times since then. If this group can’t get it done this year, it’s time to try another group, IMO.

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Coldworld's picture

October 25, 2021 at 12:18 pm

Whether hindsight shows it to be the right time in terms of Rodgers and Adams, the financial mechanics will force era change one way or the other.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:44 am

We won a Super Bowl 10 years ago, but we’ve come up short 4 times since then. If this group can’t get it done this year, it’s time to try another group, IMO.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:35 am

Enjoy the ride!

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:36 am

I would say the odds favor him not being back. But I won't say 100% he won't be back either. There are so many things that will happen between now and then. You never know what will happen.

Father of time is undefeated, but with the rules of the game today, QB's can play a lot longer then they could 10-15 years ago. And if Rodgers is simply still night and day better then Love, I don't think they will move on from Rodgers next year.
Have you seen a noticeable decline with Rodgers this year? I haven't. Some of his deep balls have been off, but its more of a timing thing then anything else.

In all honesty i think Rodgers has 5 or so really good years left.

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Michael Nault's picture

October 25, 2021 at 12:37 pm

But the big question is, how do you pay him and everyone else too?. Mr. ego would have to take a massive pay cut, and probably no Davante. He's gone in my opinion.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 12:46 pm

Honestly I'm not worried about that. If they want it done they will make it work.

none of us know what they want to do what will happen. that is basically my point. As far as the money goes, they will find ways to make things work out. Its not something I'm going to stress myself over.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:12 am

Also in 2022 the Packers will have a nearly empty WR room except A. Rodgers under contract. Tonyan needs a new deal. P. Smith needs a new deal too. Is Gutey going to let Campbell walk? What if Jaylon Smith takes off and plays like the 2020 player? What if Mercilus starts wracking up the pressures and sacks?

I think Z is done in GB so he will free up some space. His public persona comes off as a malcontent & his mysterious back injury ending in surgery smacks of M. Bennett.

The only way to "Keep the Band Together" 2.0 is if #12 does a Brady and takes a big pay cut to keep his bandmates in GB...and even that may not be enough. And he doesn't seem to be that kind of guy.

So enjoy the 2021 team. We will barely recognize the 2022 group.

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:03 am

Bearmeat, that is a coherent and well reasoned synopsis. It’s now or never for Rodgers and Adams. Then it’ll be somebody else’s turn

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Leatherhead's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:03 am

Bearmeat, that is a coherent and well reasoned synopsis. It’s now or never for Rodgers and Adams. Then it’ll be somebody else’s turn

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packerbackerjim's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:15 am

Game: Keke had himself a game

Lame: a number of “near sacks” resulting big gains for WFT.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:22 am

Bitching about the refs again? Seriously? You should change the title of this feature to “ Whine and Cheese.”

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:32 am

The officiating continues to go downhill. I have been watching NFL football for more years than I care to mention, and the refs have been bad in recent years and are getting worse.

Too many judgement calls due to a proliferation of ever increasing "rules". And every game has a different standard to PI and holding that a ref can call on nearly every play.

So far this year, the refs have called 23% more penalties compared to the average of the last 3 years on O and STs. D penalties called are up 10%.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:10 am

Is this a coincidence with the decline in revenues from covid effects and the leagues secret mandate to keep all games close to the final whistle so as to keep viewership at a maximum to allow hard negotiation with the networks on the next contract?

Could it be an artifact of the leagues commitment to gambling as the next big bump in revenues? The officiating absolutely NEEDS to be cleaned up or the league is setting itself up for a huge fall as gambling association and questionable officiating at the same time will destroy the base for the NFL faster than anything else ever could.

It is growing ever more difficult for fans of the past to remain fans of the present and future.

and...

Stay OFF my yard!

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Minniman's picture

October 25, 2021 at 02:49 pm

I’d offer that it’s camera technology and social media now making it easier to expose and critique plays that’s causing the over-complication of football. - and as result, the rules have evolved\devolved to meet the demand.

Cases in point: “football move”, “survive the ground”, PI ……. These things change momentum - and games.

That said, some of these new complicated rules are designed to protect players - which complicates officiating things further - especially when some coaches are still definitely teaching players either bad or dangerous techniques and gambling on the refs seeing it.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 03:34 pm

I agree with you for some degree. Many of the referees mistakes are not intentional. The problem is if referees have mostly one sided calls - calls that mainly favour one side. Like in the last NFCCG - how many PI calls they did not call on Packers receivers? And when came down the first PI call for D - on Kevin King who did nothing what TB corners were doing the whole game!. It was call on 3rd nad 6 at the center of the field. TB would surely punt and Packers would have another chance if they keep the calls stady, as they did whole game.

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fastmoving's picture

October 25, 2021 at 04:07 pm

They sain this stuff since the NFL exist. Such a BS. The refs are way better than ever before and the tec also helps a lot. You have no idea how they officiated a game 40 years ago.
But they said the same old stuff back than. That will always be the same.
Everything is getting worse like the old people compain and I never found a single thing in life were it was just a little bit true.
Are your kid worse than you?

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 25, 2021 at 06:01 pm

Is our children learning?

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Johnblood27's picture

October 26, 2021 at 03:18 pm

He may be fastmoving, but he is absolutely slow-thinking.

Sorry for the personal post, but I just couldn't resist.

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Starrbrite's picture

October 25, 2021 at 07:32 pm

I’m with you LambeauPlain.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:17 am

Double post.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:26 am

Game Balls:

Rashaan Gary - He has really elevated his game. He hasn't been getting the sacks, but he has been consistently getting push on the QB causing him to move. Well yesterday he made a huge play causing a sack fumble, which went right into Lowry's hands. Impressive play.

Campbell - How good has he been? VERY Good! Just think of our ILB's over the last however many years. We have not had an ILB that just stops guys wherever they are at. Campbell also stopped the QB on the QB sneak at the goal line by causing the fumble. He has been very impressive!

CB's - Stokes has been very good. He did give up the TD. I will chalk that down as a rookie mistake. But what happened on that play will be a great teaching moment for him. He came back later and played the ball perfectly. Douglas, man what a find he has been. His PI call was horrible. He made a great play on the ball. Sullivan made a great interception in the endzone.

Bojo Blast - When he punted the ball and it hit the goal line and bounced back, I thought it hit the line. But damn, was that a good punt. there probably wasn't room for a paper between the ball and the line. What a great punt.

Lame Calls:

Lack of running game - Jones and Dillon rushed the ball for 9 times. 9? Perhaps there was a reason behind this? (see below)

Officiating - Its an every game thing. But how bad are the officials. Simply spotting the ball is just horrible. The one play I am thinking about is Jones catch down the sideline. He was about a yard past the first down line and they originally marked him a yard short. Clearly someone talked to them and said he was past and they gave them a first down. But they are absolutely terrible at spotting the ball.

Notes:

Short week to Arizona - Its a short week to travel and go to a tough teams place on a Thursday night. The only undefeated left in the league and we are playing them on a Thursday. That is going to be a tough feat.

Lack of Running game for a reason? - Did they purposely run the ball less to preserve them for Thursday? During the game I was questioning the game plan and play calling. Why did they only run the ball 9 times? Jones had 11 touches, Dillon had 4. But today I question if they did it to keep them as fresh as possible for Thursday.

Mercilus Debut - Considering he had basically just got here, I thought he played well. I am looking forward to seeing what he does moving forward.

Jaylon Smith - He started to fly to the ball better.. He nearly had the sack on the long TD pass, and he sniffed out a screen. While he didn't get the tackle on the play he forced the RB inside which led him into other defenders.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:33 am

Addition to the previous post -

Game Balls:

Packers Uniforms! I Loved these throw backs! This if by FAR my favorite throw backs they have ever used.
I hope they use these every year.

A side note. I would love to see the All whites again sometime.

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Spock's picture

October 26, 2021 at 10:29 am

I will never get the love for the "throw back" jerseys. When I watch the Packers I want to see them in the uniforms I grew up with. It seems more "video game" -ish when the team is in other uniforms. Case in point Drivers amazing tackle breaking run. I've watched it several times and still can't get excited because the throw back uniform just ruins the play for me.

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bjkdad44's picture

October 26, 2021 at 09:01 pm

Yes to the greens… no to the whites…

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dblbogey's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:40 am

They tried running and it wasn't working. Rodgers completed 77% of his passes. Some games you just keep going with what's working.

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Minniman's picture

October 25, 2021 at 02:58 pm

Agree re the limited use of RB’s and TE chips and crossing\rub routes.

I think that last week MLF employed something an ‘in case of emergency break glass’ philosophy but was able to stay ahead on the scoreboard to preserve it.

I think that the playbook gets well and truly opened up this week.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 25, 2021 at 06:49 pm

You dotted all the (i)s, now let's see if the team can cross the Ts into TDs. Lot of RB action coming up and Tonyan will be released. Let Nijman play some power TE sets and go jumbo on C Jones.

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Razer's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:26 am

Unfortunately, I couldn't get to see the game so I live these victories vicariously through you folks. Here is what I know:

Time of P: WFT:32:54, GB: 27:06
1st Downs: WFT: 25, GB: 19
Rush Yards: WFT: 195, GB: 57
Net Yards: WFT: 430, GB: 304

After reading Ken's article, the point is made repeatedly that Taylor Heinecke's ineptness in the red zone combined with Rodger's execution was the difference in this game. Look's like we got outplayed but had the good fortune to play against a QB who couldn't finish. Is our defense good or is the other offense bad?

As usual, I cannot figure out this team other than to recognize that Aaron Rodgers is the 90% difference. I guess we will see in the coming weeks.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:02 am

I love stats. However, those stats have given you a false impression, IMO. I at no time doubted that GB would win this game. The biggest difference was Heinicke versus AR, true. I think WA converted 36% of their third downs, and 1 of 4 of their fourth downs.

GB won all the big plays.

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Razer's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:03 am

...GB won all the big plays...

This may be the best synopsis of the difference in a game. Playmakers making plays at the critical times. Thanks

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canadapacker's picture

October 25, 2021 at 12:29 pm

I agree with you - but as I posted after the game - we didnt play as well as the score indicated and played more like the stats indicated. My examples were - and the first half was great - we were slow but we came out ahead and that was great they elected to defer. However on the first play of the second half = if the running back didnt trip - he was gone for a TD. That ties the game. Instead they sack Heinicke and we go down and get a TD on a short field. Their next series if Heinicke doesnt do that STUPID face first dive before the goal line - at the least they make it 21-14 and we go 3 and out and they get the ball back and waltz all the way down again - ( and I give our D credit) but they really bent a lot - fortunately they learned not to break. I too was confident that we are not going to lose after we got the 3rd score - but I didnt think that offensively we had it together as the Oline never let Jones get going and the middle of our D seemed soft . And as I said on my earlier post - we are not great 6-1 team and we had better get really healthy really quick and whether we win or lose to AZ - it is going to be nice to have that mini-bye until we meet KC.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 03:44 pm

If this, if that, if this.... Lot of ifs.

There is no ifs in the life. Every choice you make is the product of yourself. And you can only cry after, starting yout tiers with IF.

If you are just different person, you might made different choices in your life. If you knew what you know now, you'll never did what you did. You would do differently, live on another way your life etc, etc...

There is no other guilty for your, mine, anybody's mistakes. We are all guilty for our mistakes. So, if Heinicke read the rules of play he is playing, he would learn that rule that was existing few seasons before is changed and he would do not that mistake, what he did, to put the knee on the ground as QB before the ball cross the line... Aaaaah lof of ifs, don't you agree?

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canadapacker's picture

October 25, 2021 at 05:15 pm

I dont know what caused you to write this bunch of drivel - I was just pointing out - what others have that our interior D played not very well until the red zone, Every game is hinged upon a few plays and ask Brady if Seattle should have thrown a pass instead of running the ball in that Superbowl and ask if New Orleans should have gone to a Superbowl instead of the Rams if PI would have been called but was missed. My point was and still is that dont hype our D because while I was happy and overjoyed about the way that they played - we still could have and some say should have lost that game because Heinke should have known the rules and Maclaurin should have caught that ball etc etc. And if you got to rant - go ahead and rant but I would hope that you would at least have the common decency not to dump on somebody for expressing their opinion.

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barutanseijin's picture

October 25, 2021 at 06:22 pm

So if the WTFers had not made mistakes, they might have won? Sure. You could say that about any game.

The question is why they made mistakes in a live game situation.

They might be perfect in walk-throughs in practice. As the other team applies more pressure, the more talent, smarts and cool they need. The Packers were able to amp things up to the level where things fell apart for the WTF.

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Coldworld's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:18 am

I don’t think we were outplayed. I think it’s partly the result of the number of turnovers and the fact that GB pressured near the red zone and did not at all most of the time outside it. Heinecke looks quite good with all the time in the world. When he didn’t have that he looked like an accident waiting to happen.

Add in the 95 yards running into mostly wide open space—Barry clearly ignored the QB run and played man with no spy or with an empty zone (can’t do either in Thursday).

Heinecke gifted us the chance to get our first red zone block. But the PI early in the game almost certainly was critical to getting them in the board. Overall, they had no non QB run game and didn’t look like scoring for most of the game. Barry, despite the sacks, barely blitzed and trusted our backfield. Why is a mystery. He seems overly passive. It’s letting bad teams hang in there this year.

We had a really disjointed offensive performance, we barely tried to run enough even to slow their rush a little. I saw Rodgers check out of a few runs I believe, but that’s not the whole story. We no sooner established an aspect of offense that was working than we abandoned it. One deep throw to ESB missed, we didn’t try that again, allowing them to close up on the line. We spread it around but in batches. Lazard led one drive with 60 yards and a TD and then was not thrown to the entire second half. Instead we went to Tonyan and then away from him too. Jones and Dillon were not in the field to be targeted in the pass game or to provide options. It almost had the feel of a preseason run through options.

An odd game. But not one I ever felt we would lose as it played out.

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Razer's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:29 am

The game that I did not see because the stats do not paint the picture that you do. I would have expected us to control the game tempo more but the lack of a running game does explain a lot.

I always fear when we play against strong O-line and/or strong D-line teams. I don't see us aa a strong trench team and I believe that games are dictated by the frontline performance. When our O-line is healthy anything is possible. Still not sure about our D-line especially when they meet a solid O-line.

Thanks

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barutanseijin's picture

October 25, 2021 at 06:23 pm

At this point in the season the d-line seems better than the patchwork o-line.

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Minniman's picture

October 25, 2021 at 03:13 pm

While the consequences in the red zone for even 1 mistake are clear, the play becomes somewhat simpler for D’s that play more man than zone coverage….. win your contest.

Both Douglas and Stokes played their man really well. The D line by and large didn’t allow too much penetration up the gut. The gains were predominantly made around the weak side edge.

With less real-estate to defend, maybe it was a case of Heinike and the O not being able to execute the elaborate crossing routes down there to exploit the packers. Maybe also not having a stud TE to dominate the back line affected their chances too.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:53 am

The Packers didn't get outplayed...they executed and scored points when the other team did not. I recall the saying "statistics are for losers" and that was the case yesterday.

It seemed clear to me, Matt looked at the front 4 of Wash, all 1st rounders and good run D, and their below average secondary, and drew up the Air Force attack vs infantry. It worked. Probably wise too with the Thursday game ahead and only 4 days to recover.

Barry (according to players) apparently focused hard on Red Zone and First and Goal last week and it finally paid huge dividends. Those 4 stops were gritty performances. Between the 20's, Barry played zone and too often the middle zone was left undefended and gave the QB a wide open, empty middle to run free in and some chunk plays...but no points.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:28 am

Figure this team out?

How about they are playing without some of their preferred starters and have a lot of others on the injury lists?

The weaker links have been serviceable, but at a cost of sacrificing some game-planning and some effort by others to shore up the back-ups weaknesses at the ultimate cost of lower team performance... and in spite of that the GBP have still come out ahead on the scoreboard at the end of the games!

Accolades for the replacements are deserved, however let's not fool ourselves into thinking that they have all played at the same level of the players they are covering for. That has simply not been the case.

The "TEAM" portion of playing together and having each others backs has been incredible. The sacrifices made by teammates to keep the overall performance as good as it has been has been laudable.

Oh yeah... That includes AR and his decision making both before and after the snap. He is playing really well this year given the game-plans and teammates that have been put in place.

Looking at the injury situation, I think this all sets up Kevin King as a deep substitute even when he comes back. Stokes and Douglas have each exceeded Kings abilities and production.

I believe it is still a huge question who plays RG when Bakh and Myers are both back. Runyon? Patrick? Newman? None of them has shown true starter performance and consistency.

Jaire - he can't get back soon enough and we all know that every other CB on the roster is playing for #2 status.

Z - this is an enigma. Not much info on the back injury that necessitated surgery. What was it? How severe was it? What does the recovery look like? How far along is he? I have to believe that he is done, not only for this year, but in GB period. The hope should be that Gary and Preston can stay healthy and productive while Merciles becomes the depth piece needed.

The WR corps doesn't miss mvs as much as they have missed a consistent OL that doesn't need help blocking on pass plays. The extra help for the OL has limited TE and RB contributions to the routes the D has to account for and leaves more attention on the WR. The return of OL to health will help the WR and pass game more than MVS return.

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Razer's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:57 am

The injury factor has contributed greatly to the inconsistent play. With people applauding the makeshift O-line, I discounted the top-end affect of inexperience and cohesion along the line. Makes Rodgers performance even more appreciated.

It will be interesting to see what a health team playing together can achieve this season. Here's hoping.

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Guam's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:33 am

Lame call on the O-line for a very poor first half. The WFT has a very good front four on D, but our O-line was getting beaten more by scheme than by getting overwhelmed physically. The interior O-line just got fooled by the Washington tackles on several occasions in the first half. Adjustments were made at halftime and the O-line played much better in the second half.

Not sure if it was individual inexperience or lack of playing time together or poor game planning that allowed the first half problems, but that needs to improve quickly or QB1 is going to get injured soon. You can't have a QB of Rodgers' age getting hit that much.

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Coldworld's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:27 am

Normally it has been Newsome who has been fooled. This time it was Runyon. Teams are definitely scheming against them. As you say in another context, that’s the best schooling, but the benefits should come as this season progresses to some extent, not just in future years.

I thought we set out to exploit their secondary initially. That involved longer developing plays. That’s a weakness, but their D line negated that and seldom had to even consider a run, so were pinning their ears back and charging most of the game. Shorter passes helped, but the O line did well later, once they figured out what WFT were doing. That’s a sign of ability and ability to learn that is perhaps a significant take away.

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Guam's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:12 am

I was impressed that our young O-line held up well physically against a talented WFT front four after the half time adjustments. We will have a better O-line later this year as well as next year, I just hope we don't get Rodgers injured during their learning process now.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 25, 2021 at 07:04 pm

They wiffed on some basic stunts by the Wash D-line.

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Guam's picture

October 25, 2021 at 08:43 am

Yes, whenever Jordan Love plays regularly, his first year is going to be a tough adjustment for Packer fans. Remember that Aaron Rodgers went 6-10 in his first year as a starting QB despite three years of preparation and a decent team around him. Also note that all of the highly touted rookie QBs of this year are struggling and are at the bottom of the QB rating ladder.

There is no substitute for experience and there is only one way to get it. Jordan Love's first year will not be fun for us spoiled Packer fans, but the change is coming sooner or later.

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Oppy's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:31 am

To be fair, Aaron Rodgers played far better than the team's 6-10 record.

Frankly, there was a lot of vitriol thrown at Rodgers' play that year based on the lazy "analysis" of pointing to the record.

Sure, there were growing pains, but Rodgers actual play was not central to the resulting record.

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Guam's picture

October 25, 2021 at 03:03 pm

I don't believe Rodgers was solely responsible for the 6-10 record, but I am not sure I would agree Rodgers played "far better" than the team's record either. I remember a fairly mixed bag of games where Rodgers shined at times and was questionable at times.

In this QB centric day and age, I think it is hard to divorce the QB's play from the outcomes of the games. Exhibit one would be Sunday's game by WFT. A better red zone QB than Heinicke could have made that a very close game.

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Oppy's picture

October 26, 2021 at 01:47 am

Matthew Stafford;s years with Detroit is an excellent example of isolated great QB play not translating to team success.

Football really is the ultimate team sport. No question, a player who handles the ball every offensive down and delivers the ball is a key element, but it still takes a team.

I humbly disagree about Rodgers' first year as starter. He was by any measure a solid starting QB his first year under center, definitely better than a 6-10 showing would suggest.

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PeteK's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:12 am

I have to give credit to that Wash D line , they finally played up to their high potential. They were zeroing in on our RBs with excellent tackling by taking the legs out of our backs. So we just bombarded them through the air with short and mid range passes. Strange to see Clark with 0 tkls, but Keke had himself a game.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:02 am

The front 4 are all first rounders and were part of a top 5 2020 D. They were as advertised vs the run, but the DBs are below average. Take what the Defense gives you...Packers did and produced a win.

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Since'61's picture

October 25, 2021 at 09:39 am

Game Balls: Aaron Rodgers, Adams, Lazard, Tonyan, Gary, Campbell, Bojorquez and overall defensive effort. The defense still has some work to do but they are improving. If we can get Alexander and Back we have a very formidable defensive unit.

Lame Calls: OL especially in the first half. Blocked FG.

It should be noted that Heinecke had 95 of the WFT's 430 total yards. Had our defense stopped a few of his runs(scrambles) the would have been off the field on some of the third downs and the WFt would have not made it to Red zone on many of their drives. Basically the Packers defense did a good job of containing the WFT offense except for Heinecke. Most of his runs occurred after he escaped pressure by the slimmest of margins and began running for his life. If the Packers can maintain this level of pressure they are going to have some good days against less mobile QBs.

AZ next on a short week. I hate TNF!!! The Packers chances would be much better against AZ with a full week of preparation and we might be able to get some of our guys back if we had a full week to get them ready. But here we are. GPG! Thanks, Since '61

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:14 am

If the Packer D gives up yards but not points, very good. But it is a dangerous neighborhood to live in. It will be hard to sustain that and can kill you off in the playoffs.

Next up...the defense getting more 3 and outs and giving the ball back to the offense.

I hope, for the rest of the season, whenever Matt can, take the ball to start the game. Sunday....75 yards, almost 8 minutes off the clock and a 7-0 lead to set the tone.

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HarryHodag's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:18 am

The Packers won. "Any Given Sunday" is as true as ever.

But I would give a game ball to the throwback uniforms. I loved them! They looked really good on TV.
I'm really tired of the current uni's.
The argument that 'it's tradition' is torn apart by the fact that these uni's were there before the current' "tradition' of Packers uniforms.
I've never liked the 'G' on the helmet. Lombardi wore a practice hat with GB on it, a little less bold than the hats they had Sunday. Maybe that would work.

The coaches also had some cool sweatshirts.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 25, 2021 at 10:35 am

Football or Fashion?

Football Players or Fashion Models?

Frozen Tundra or Runway?

Big guys or skinny chicks?

WFT or WTF?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

October 25, 2021 at 11:37 am

Unfortunately, laments about bad officiating, no matter how justified, is a moot point. The reality is that the NFL refs - are the best football refs. It's just that plays happen so quickly that officiating errors - like the Douglas p.i. - is as much a part of the game as the play itself. However bad calls usually balance out for each team over the course of a game and season. However, with the proliferation of sports gambling, individual calls are now much more in the spotlight. Bad officiating has been a common lament about football (and other sports) ever since sports were invented. While I may dislike some of the calls made by refs - I find it an exercise in futility to complain about it.

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ImaPayne's picture

October 25, 2021 at 01:22 pm

To me it was another game the opponent stepped on their own foot more then anything we did. This fn zone d which this is the third d coach to implement, is due to not having skilled players with enough speed to cover man. Thats the problem, even a Henke can carve up this group.
I noticed he spent a lot of time looking at who was in coverage and pretty much knew pre snap who he was going to pick on.
When we all hear, Stokes is getting beat deap by Adams all training camp, like the other teams dont know that too. He is good in short coverage but just doesnt know how to cover deep and where to be.
Thursday may start the beginning of a long slide when the D is truely shown to be crappy at best.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

October 25, 2021 at 04:13 pm

The nice thing about your posts, it is guaranteed to be crappy. I can just click the down-vote button even before going through it.

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fastmoving's picture

October 25, 2021 at 04:15 pm

Crappy at best....hahahah. Good one.
Start to watch a game someday........you would be suprised what a cool game football is.

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