Hello Wisconsin: Your Morning Discussion on the Packers' New Defensive Coordinator

The Packers have their man at DC.

Well, the Packers really messed up my Wednesday evening.

I had this whole spiel ready to go about how the Packers’ coaching interviews for defensive coordinator had showed clear trends (youth, little previous experience as an NFL defensive coordinator), and then they go and hire Jeff Hafley, head coach of Boston College and former Ohio State co-defensive coordinator for the 2019 championship team.

So, I’ve included the previous content I had below, just for the hell of it. 

Before that, though, let’s talk a bit about Hafley.

Hafley fits the younger mold of the guys listed below. At 44, he’s got some experience under his belt, but not so much where he’s anywhere near a retread. He’s never been a DC at the NFL level. His defenses haven’t been particularly great in his time as a head coach at Boston College, but with the premier talent he had to work with at Ohio State he helped the team win a national championship.

He talks about wanting to be aggressive on defense and play more press man, which should be music to Packer fans’ ears. I’ll have to continue to read up and learn more, but for now, I’m cautiously optimistic.

He's a good buddy of Matt LaFleur's, which is something I know people will grouse about, but I'm personally fine with it. I mean, I'm also more comfortable bringing in people I know for jobs in the world of theater and the arts. You work with people or get to know them, you develop a comfort level with them, you know you'll work well with them. I don't really see that as anything to criticize.

He can’t be worse than Joe Barry… right?

Anyway, below is what I initially had written for this opening section. Enjoy?

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The Packers have been busy with scheduling interviews for their open defensive coordinator position, and in the names that have been revealed so far there is a common trend: youth.

Just as the Packers have embraced their youth movement on the roster, it sure looks as though they’re looking to try a young up-and-comer at the coordinator position. Below are the confirmed coaches the Packers have interviewed (or requested to interview) and their ages:

  • Christian Parker, Broncos DBs coach: 32
  • Brandon Staley, former Chargers HC: 41
  • Ayden Durde, Cowboys DL coach: 44
  • Bobby Babich, Bills LB coach (promoted to DC): 40
  • Dennard Wilson, Ravens DBs coach: 41
  • Zachary Orr, Ravens ILB coach: 31

Clearly we’re looking at coaches on the younger side who have not yet entered or are just beginning to enter their coaching primes. Of these coaches, the only one who’s even been a defensive coordinator (let alone a head coach) is Staley, who clearly would be considered the most “known” commodity on the list.

Babich has already been hired by the Bills to remain in their defensive coordinator role, being promoted from his previous position of linebackers coach. So he’s off the table. It’s also not certain if the Packers have talked to additional candidates or intend to do so–this is simply what has been publicly reported at this point.

There had been some rumors circulating of the Packers offering Parker the job, but those rumors have been unsubstantiated, and the Packers have since requested interviews with both Wilson and Orr. 

The two Ravens coaches are generating a lot of interest in particular because of the sheer amount of energy they bring to their work, as well as due to the strong play by their position groups. With former Ravens defensive coordinator now heading to Seattle to be the next head coach of the Seahawks, it would seem likely that one of the two will be promoted to take that job, so the Packers are going to need to act quickly if they really want one of them to take their open position.

But it is interesting that so far, Staley is the only experienced candidate the Packers have interviewed. It’s very reminiscent of the hiring of LaFleur, and perhaps LaFleur himself is seeing the issues he’s had with previous coordinators (the failure of Joe Barry, the fact that it never really worked between him and Mike Pettine, and the disappointment so far of Rich Bisaccia) and realizing that experience is no guarantee of success.

The NFL as a whole has been seeing a youth movement in coaching in recent years, in part due to the success of young coaches like LaFleur, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan, and more. The Packers have a young head coach and offensive coordinator, and look to be getting younger at the defensive coordinator position as well, based on the people they’ve interviewed. 

Personally, I’m all for it. There has been a lot of offensive innovation occurring in the league in recent years, which has been significantly influenced by the bright young offensive minds taking prominent roles in coaching. The defensive innovation that must occur to counter some of these prolific offenses taking the league by storm will likely be led by young, fresh minds as well.

You’ve got the youngest roster in the league. May as well pair it with a young coaching staff, which will find it easier to relate to those kids and push them in ways that today’s generation of players will respond to.

Wisconsin Beer of the Week

Recently I was celebrating a late Christmas with family and was told there was beer in the basement fridge. Of course there is; it’s Wisconsin. I decided to take a look at the offerings, when to my surprise I discovered there were cans of Blatz!

Somehow, I did not realize that Blatz still existed. To me it is a relic of a Milwaukee and Wisconsin gone by, much as Schlitz was until it was revived in the late 2000s. (Schlitz, for those who don’t know, was long marketed as “The Beer that Made Milwaukee Famous.)

There are still corner dives all over southeast Wisconsin that have decades-old Blatz signs hanging up on their facades, in their windows, or on interior walls in the bar itself, but I haven’t actually seen Blatz on tap or in cans, well, anywhere. 

Of course, I knew I would be wasting a golden opportunity if I did not crack one open. 

Now, I knew what to expect with it being your standard mass produced American lager. None of those beers are going to be of the absolute highest quality, and you’re not going to get any frills or complexity of flavor. But that doesn’t mean they don’t hit. Miller High Life is one of my favorite beers (yes, truly, despite me being a big craft beer person) simply for its simplicity and for the nostalgia associated with it.

I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Blatz. It had a slight sweetness to it that I wasn’t expecting, which helped to balance out the flavor and make it a more overall enjoyable experience. To me, that gives it an edge over beers like Pabst Blue Ribbon, which have a little more of an inherent harshness to the taste.

Anyway, I’m sure many of you have had many a can of Blatz in your day. But these days, it’s not a particularly widespread beer any more. At least, not in the way it used to be. So it was a bit of an old Milwaukee treat to come across it while hanging out in Neenah, Wisconsin. 

Conference championships produced ideal results

To me, I couldn’t be happier with the way things worked out on championship weekend.

Yes, I was hoping the Ravens would win, simply because it would have been nice to have some new representation on the AFC side of things in the Super Bowl. We’re getting the Chiefs for the fourth time in five years, and I know many people are getting sick of them (personally I’m not at all). 

But it’s hard for me to imagine a better actual football matchup than the Chiefs versus the 49ers. The Ravens already waxed the Niners in primetime. I don’t imagine the Lions would have held up to the Ravens or the postseason edition of the Chiefs. The Niners may have spent a lot of time playing down to the competition in their two postseason games, but they’re still easily the best team in the NFC, and the one that poses the best matchup for Kansas City.

Now, that doesn’t mean I was cheering for San Francisco to win. Far from it. I would have been happiest if San Francisco and Detroit could both suffer horrendous losses. But for me personally, there were two equally hilarious ways the NFC championship could go:

-The Lions absolutely destroying the 49ers

-The Lions losing in the most heartbreaking way possible

The fact that we actually managed to get both of these things in the same game is a pretty big victory. I was never on board with cheering for a divisional rival to get to the Super Bowl (if you were, hey, you do you, but that ain’t for me) so seeing the historical losers have their most heartbreaking loss, well, ever, was pretty great schadenfreude.

I don’t really have much faith in the 49ers to beat the Chiefs. I’ll get more into that next week during the FINAL Hello Wisconsin column of the season, but as of right now, I’m taking the Mahomes bunch.

Around the NFC North

As always, it’s time to go around the NFC North. 

  • The CHICAGO BEARS fans are cannibalizing each other over whether to stick with Justin Fields or take Caleb Williams. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter; they’re going to suck either way.

 

  • The DETROIT LIONS have never won a Super Bowl. And now they know what it’s like to have heartbreaking postseason losses. Welcome to the club!

 

  • The MINNESOTA VIKINGS have never won a Super Bowl. They are already well-versed in heartbreaking postseason losses. Unfortunately for them, I have no sympathy for them.

THIS or THAT in Mr. Backes’s room: Week 22 Update

As I’ve done the last several weeks, I’m going to give a quick update as to the latest THIS or THAT polls in my classroom. 

Without further ado:

  • Seniors defeated freshmen
  • Standardized testing defeated final exams
  • Chicken and steak tied
  • 49ers defeated Lions

If you have additional THIS or THAT prompts you’d like to poll my high schoolers with, give your ideas in the comments! I’ve pulled a few from the comments so far.

Hate to spend much time on the former guy, but…

The story coming out of The Athletic by DIanna Russini and Zack Rosenblatt is SOMETHING.

It paints the picture of an organization in the New York Jets that has been completely fractured by the addition of Aaron Rodgers and all of the drama behind the scenes. 

There were more than 30 sources interviewed for the article. Highlights included sources talking about Rodgers being the “real” general manager and Joe Douglas merely his assistant, major issues between the coach and owner, Robert Saleh damaging relationships with his staff after leaks came out regarding Zach Wilson and his unwillingness to start, and a team culture that simply collapsed after Rodgers’ injury. 

Imagine that–a team with Aaron Rodgers being consumed by drama.

Thanks for 100–and here’s what’s coming this offseason!

Hey all, this happens to be the 100th edition of “Hello Wisconsin.” When I started this column at the beginning of the 2020 season, my idea was to use it as a sort of weekly brain drain that blended a mixture of Packers-related content with things related to Wisconsin itself. This is why I still continue to feature a different Wisconsin beer each week, why I often talk Bucks or Badgers, and why I’ll get into topics that go completely off the rails from time to time.

It’s kind of crazy to me how many people read this thing, and that the comment totals regularly exceed 100. It’s been so cool to be a part of the CHTV community for the past six NFL seasons, and this column especially has been a blast to put together over the last four. 

For those who don’t know, I shelf “Hello Wisconsin” for the offseason after the Super Bowl, so next week’s column will be the final one of the 2023-2024 season. It’ll come back for the start of training camp in late July.

But I’ll be sticking around in my regular Thursday morning timeslot with another featured series that will require a little audience participation!

You may recall my series I ran a couple years ago: “Cheesehead Origins,” in which I interviewed Packer fans about their formative fandom stories. It was a lot of fun.

This time my offseason series will focus more on what’s happened on the field for the Packers over the last several decades. 

My goal is to gather voting from readers and social media followers to determine the answer to the following question:

“What are the 50 greatest games of the Favre/Rodgers era?”

Now that we have the era of those back to back Hall of Famers in the rearview mirror, I’d like to get the definitive list of these great games and put together a short writeup of each. The idea will be that I’ll gather the data, put it together, and release a write-up with five of the games each week, counting down from 50.

It’ll start with a Google form to submit your suggestions. Once I’ve got a clearcut list to choose from, there will be another survey that asks people to rate the game out of 10 based on a variety of factors, with one average composite score produced from those rankings. That composite score will be what is used to rank the games. Those categories will be:

*Significance/Importance: Was it regular season or postseason? Did it help turn a season around? Did it feature a record breaking performance? Were there any iconic moments?
*Entertainment value: This is mostly subjective. How much fun was the game to watch?
*Intensity: Was it a close, back-and-forth contest, or was it a blowout? 

The games do not necessarily have to have been victories for the Packers, though that may heavily influence what people want to vote for!

If you have any further suggestions for rating the games, I’m all ears. Let me know.

Looking forward to taking on this project with all your help, and producing CHTV’s definitive Best Games of 1992-2022. 

 

 

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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4thand1's picture

February 01, 2024 at 06:14 am

It's done, this is the new DC. MLF made hiis choice and this hire is on him. He knows patience is wearing thin, the pressure is on. I think Hafley will bring energy and light a fire under some asses on defense.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:03 am

Patience only seems to be wearing thin with the fans that board on this board and others like it. Most fans of most teams would be thrilled to have a HC that took a first year starter at QB, rookies all over the field, most expensive players injured most of the year, following the departure of a hall of famer and he leads them within 4 points of the NFC Championship. Despite the GM trading away the best player in the secondary.

I'm not wearing thin on LaFleur. He did amazing things with this young team, and the future is bright.

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coolhand's picture

February 01, 2024 at 01:57 pm

I think not having ANY assistants under him that could take over the defense says a lot about Barry, and not in a good way. And manager not willing to have assistants under him that could take over when he is not there is not a good manager.

I sometimes wonder the same about MLF.

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Spock's picture

February 01, 2024 at 06:41 am

Old joke: The Milwaukee Braves briefly gets a new pitcher named Mel Famey. He's a wiz at any kind of pitch and strikes out everyone he faces. But he has an Achilles heel: he loved to drink, and his pitching suffered. The manager tried to keep him away from the sauce and thought he'd succeeded until the Braves had an important game against a rival and Mel Famey pitching kept getting worse to the point where he was walking every batter. Eventually the Braves lost the game. The dejected manager realizes that Mel Famey is drunk and can't figure out where Mel Famey had gotten the beer and then the other team's manager came up to him. "I know a secret" he says. "What?" asks the Braves manager. The other team's manager walks him over to the pitcher's bench area and pulls up a hidden lid within the bench. Inside were empty cans and cans of Schlitz beer. "Here," says the other manager, "This is the beer that made Mel Famey walk us."

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HarryHodag's picture

February 01, 2024 at 06:51 am

Really, really bad.

The joke comes from, possibly, the story of Ryne Duren, a MLB pitcher for several teams. Duren had Coke-bottle glasses and threw the ball what's likely about 100 mph. He also was an alcoholic, something he recovered from and was recognized for overcoming.

But imagine standing at the plate with a guy who is intoxicated, can't really see well, and throwing 100 mph at you.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:54 am

Was it John Kruk or Lenny Dykstra that had Randy Johnson fire a heater behind their head in the AS game?

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HarryHodag's picture

February 01, 2024 at 02:07 pm

Can't recall. Johnson had control of it...sometimes.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:54 am

Spock,
Yes indeed, an Old Joke!
When I first heard it in the early 60's it was "Milt" Famey instead of Mel.
"Schiltz, the beer that made Milt Famey walk-us".

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Cheezehead72's picture

February 01, 2024 at 06:59 am

I am not excited about this hire. I am not even comfortable about this hire but I will give him a chance. Who knows he might just be the guy we are looking for. I hope we will be able to hire quality position coaches.

One thing I like is it does not seem like he is reliant on only one scheme. It seems as he might run a 3-4 and a 4-3 to match up to the offense. The Packers are built as a 3-4 man team but they could play 4-3 at times. I also like that he is more of a man defense than a zone defense.

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NickPerry's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:08 am

"I hope we will be able to hire quality position coaches."

You and I both CH72...Someone commented the Packers are keeping the same assistant coaches. I really hope that's NOT the case.

I mean IIRC when Barry was almost fired after the Carolina game a big reason why he wasn't was because there was no one they felt comfortable with to name interm DC. NO ONE out of how many defensive coaches for just a few games?

I'm not opposed to keeping some of the assistants if that's what Hafley & LaFleur decide to do. But the man HAS to be able to bring in coaches he has worked with. That he is comfortable with. At least that's whatm I think should happen. We will see.

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Since'61's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:10 am

I don't know anything about this guy. All I can say is give him a chance and let's see what happens. I would have preferred someone with NFL experience, Not necessarily a retread DC but some one who at least knows the NFL. He is LaFleur's choice so it's on him at this point. GPG! Thanks, Since "61

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:18 am

He was a DB coach for the 9ers under Shanahan till 2018. Also, a co DC of Ohio State when they were champs in 2019. There were a bunch of NFL players on that D.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:10 am

Steve,
That defense was #1 in the country and Chase Young was the #2 overall pick in the following draft. OSU's defense suffered after Hafley left.
One player from that team who was there for several years following that season commented yesterday that "we never quite recovered from the loss of Jeff Hafley".
I can't tell you who it was, I was working from home yesterday with NFL network on the TV behind me and my ears would perk up when I heard the word Packers, so I half-heard, half-missed some things.
The more I read about him the more I'm willing to wait-n-see.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:56 am

OSU plays in a completely different league from most teams. They turn over players at a tremendous rate, too.

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Since'61's picture

February 01, 2024 at 02:28 pm

T7 - thanks for the information. Good to know. Since '61

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murf7777's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:40 am

His NFL experience includes, Cleveland, SF and Tampa Bay. I’d say that’s quite a bit of NFL experience.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:17 am

Murf,
Yes, and his D-backs were known for being ball-hawks pretty much everywhere he went. At Cleveland he was caught up in their 'New HC every two years' thing a few years back when Elliot Wolf was there, and was fired along with the rest of the staff.

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Since'61's picture

February 01, 2024 at 02:28 pm

murf- I appreciate the information. Thanks, Since '61

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:13 am

I read that although MLF knows him, he's never worked with him or are friends. More of a friend of a friend type deal. Maybe that will be for the best. It will allow a personal relationship to grow yet be able to keep it more of a boss - employee relationship where all are held accountable and a short chain. Maybe MLF will be able to concentrate on game plans for the whole team and not have to stick his nose into that room.

I think the special teams has been coming alone nicely due to RB. Their rating is down for missed kicks, I'll grant, but the other issues aren't as worrisome. I will trust these guys and think the kicker will start coming around like his brother did. A long term answer.

Grew up on PBR and don't really like sweet beer. It was (I'll admit) always the last beer left in the fridge at parties. LOL. When I moved to the mountains, PBR wasn't sold here so I had to switch to Miller high life. It's actually very good if you get it in iced bottles and I've grown used to it and only drink PBR as backup now that it's sold here.

Happy 100th, Tim!!! Congratulations to your longevity! Always enjoy this and will look forward to more.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:44 am

The several articles I have read labeled Hafley as a "longtime friend" of ML. It seems they ran in the same circles. And Matt's circle seems smaller than other Head Coaches. It is more than a friend of a friend. He is another crony hire but Hafley owns a far more impressive resume than Barry.

So for me, the DC glass is "Haf" full.

STs took a big step back after last year's step up. Carlson was Bisaccia's guy...all the way. The penalties on STs were among the highest in the NFL. Penalties are directly related to coaching. Overall STs were again not very complementary this year. Rich has to do a lot better to match his rumored high salary.

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Jared's picture

February 03, 2024 at 01:09 pm

I would like to know how much of the “kickers” problems were due to the “long snapper “??

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Razer's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:20 am

Saw an interview with Richard Sherman talking about the kind of coach Hafley was when they were with the 49ers. He raved about his attention to detail and his ability to simplify the picture for the player. Given the confusion and missed assignments that plagued these recent Packer defenses, it might be a good skill to bring to the room. All I hope is that he can get the guys playing tight and on the same page. If the talent is there it will be enough to be a solid defense.

Welcome aboard Mister Hafley.

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:25 am

That's what got me excited when I read it. He said it was easy to change up the D when things weren't working as planned too.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:32 am

Razer,
I heard and read some of the same things that you and Steve have mentioned. The part I really liked was that most of the secondaries he coached in the NFL had +20 pics each year. Bucs and Browns were both over 20.
Another thing I heard yesterday from the Senior Bowl was again, from some 'unnamed' coach was "great hire, he'll get that secondary straighten out, and let those big boys up front hunt".
I was supposed to be working, but had NFL channel playing in the background.
As for the MFL connection, he's worked for Saleh in SF, and it's no secret MLF and Saleh are best friends. That's supposedly the limit to it.

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White92's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:19 pm

Hell yes. Let's roll with this cay! He can't be any worse than what they had

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Jared's picture

February 03, 2024 at 01:16 pm

I like hearing Richard Sherman and others talking about Hafley “wanting to coach & teach his players”!!

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GregC's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:23 am

La Fleur is really sticking his neck out with this hire, as it is not a conventional pick. Hafley's resume does not look impressive to me. But who knows what will happen. If it works out, LaFleur will be a genius.

I've thought all along that the new DC, whoever LaFleur picked, could easily be worse than Joe Barry, who after all was just average. But average is not good enough, and it was time to move on. LaFleur is rolling the dice on this one, and it will be very interesting to see how it turns out.

Although I am tired of both teams that are in the Super Bowl, it looks like a great matchup, and like Tim, I am picking the Chiefs to win.

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murf7777's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:45 am

Couldn’t you say he is rolling the dice with all of the prospects he was interviewing? Hafley had one highly successful experience at OSU as a co-D coordinator and HC experience. That’s more higher level experience than the others who Mlf interviewed.

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GregC's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:22 am

Some of the other candidates were interviewed by other teams and were widely assumed to be possibly ready to take the next step in their careers to become a DC. That was not the case with Hafley. I heard nothing about Hafley being on anyone's radar.

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murf7777's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:56 am

Good point. I’d add on Hafley’s side, he has higher level experience than others. Also, players like Sherman and other’s have stated very good attributes Hafley has. In addition, he has close friends and a brother who can attest to his abilities. I believe he’s rolling the dice less than others.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:25 am

"La Fleur is really sticking his neck out with this hire, as it is not a conventional pick."

How is that? Hafley has worked in the pros and in college. The 1 year he was Ohio State's DC they were the best defense in the country. They weren't before he got there and weren't the same since. BC he has had good defenses, just not the best of talent on those defenses.

I honestly look at this signing no different then how I would look at it if they signed Jim Leonhard.

From the research I have done thus far (is researching things ourselves ok to do again?) the more I like.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:08 am

yes, but most people know who Jimmy Leonard is. Hafley is not the sainted Jimmy Leonard.

here's something I'm impressed with, not a single word that he'd interviewed (presumably twice). the front office kept this bottled. it speaks well of the organization that no one had this prior to him being signed. fantastic.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:26 am

Leonhard was my guy. That is who I wanted! I have mentioned many times how I wanted him because of what he did at UW. And it wasn't because he was a UW guy. He was a tremendous DC.

With Hafley though, I view it no different then Leonhard. Hafley coming from college will have a few adjustments he will need to make. But he has been in the NFL. He has worked with some really great players and they have talked about it being a great signing.

Its going to be a wait and see for sure. None of us know how this will turn out. But we have to give him a chance. It sounds like he is a very detailed coach. I believe that will help the defense out a ton.

I think its crazy how it was kept very quiet and in house. One thing I love/hate about GB. they really try to stay out of the headlines.

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x24's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:24 am

I won't pretend to know anything about college coaches, but they have to know how to deal with churn. The NFL today, and the Packers of late, field money-ball defenses. The days of a defense headed by a veteran player (think 12 year vet Troy Polamalu) seem to be over. A successful college level DC has to thrive in spite of churn.

Now we wait and see

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mjbrogno's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:23 am

WOW!!!, didn't see this hire coming. Caught me totally off guard. As I read about Hafley, it is obvious the defensive schemes will be different this season. I’ve always liked a 4-3 defense, I love press coverage . I’m not saying that will happen, but it will take time to develop and jell together a 4-3 defense. Regardless, the defense cannot be any worse than it has been in the past. Only time will tell, I’m excited for our future, GO PACK GO!!!!!

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NickPerry's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:25 am

New DC... I'm cautiously optimistic. I'll feel a whole lot better if Hafley isn't forced to keep the assistant coaches who worked under Barry. Hey, if a few on them are retained fine. But the man has GOT to be able to hire HIS guys as his assistants. I mean common, when you take a shower every morning you don't put on the same underwear from the day before do you? Let's start FRESH!!

Rodgers / Jets... What did they THINK was going to happen? LMFAO!!

What I found absolutely hilarious was there was over 30 sources in and around the organization who contributed to the story. That's a lot of people clearly not happy with Rodgers and all the BS that comes with him. Sorry Jets fans, but THANK YOU!

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stockholder's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:08 am

Common Nick. - Going Commando
is the only way to go if you're young at heart.
I' couldn't be happier! After 13 yrs.
Their getting rid of the 3-4-4!

Rodgers- The pressure is on.
Rodger's brings that winning at any costs.
The career minded don't get it.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:44 am

Nick,
"Rodgers / Jets... What did they THINK was going to happen? LMFAO!!"
No Shit!
Now if we can just get Rodgers' help in getting Bahktiari's big contract off the books, Gutey will have made the best trade ever.

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jont's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:16 pm

Love ya, Nick, but 30 people talking to reporters is not the same as "a lot of people clearly not happy with Rodgers and all the BS." Especially when his teammates name him their most inspirational player.

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murf7777's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:26 am

It’s like Gutey’s draft picks, you never see them coming….that has worked out just fine. I have no problem that Mlf knows the man, actually, I think that’s a good thing. I know in my career I’ve hired many who put on a great act in the interview but turned out nothing like what he/she said. I certainly would like to know their strengths and weaknesses before I hired the person.

I have no idea whether this man will be bad or good, what I do know he has worked under and with some great coaches, Lead a team for years as a HC and had one hell of a defense when he was co-defensive coordinator at OSU for one year. Also, the defense was worse the year before and after him. The next steps of hiring assistants will tell us something .

The downside is that he did nothing special as a HC at Boston College. That said, neither did the recent past coach. They just don’t have the resources there to compete at a high level. Reality is all candidates has perceived up and downside, let’s hope Mlf got this one right! Go Pack G.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:09 am

Murf,
"The downside is that he did nothing special as a HC at Boston College".
I'm pretty sure I read that in one of his four years at BC he had the 5th rated defense in the country.
If that's true, for a small school like BC, I'd call that special.

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jvole's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:42 am

AR, great quarterback, absolutely horrible GM.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:55 am

I am sure I am just like everyone else that had no clue who Hafley was before the signing. Everything that I have read so far about Hafley has been very positive. His time in the pros and his time in college have been very positive.

From what I have read about him so far.
When he took over at Ohio State he turned the program around, after he left there the defense wasn't the same.
He runs a base 4 man front. He runs a 4-2-5 defense nickel. Our front is set up to be a 4 man front. He is an aggressive coach who will do a lot of things. He will play press man coverage. It sounds like he moves his ILB's around a lot. He will blitz and he will drop people.
I also saw a few people talking about him as a hire. I saw Dan Orlavsky say "Heck of a football coach. Packers defense will be much more aggressive". I would say that's a pretty good thing to hear. I saw Richard Sherman (played with Hafley at 49ers) say this. "His preparation is some of the best I've seen. I've had some great defensive back coaches, great defensive coaches, great defensive minds and he's right up there". Again, another good quote.

The more I have seen about him the more I like! Now we will see what he decides to do with the current staff. From what I have seen LaFleur is giving him full option to bring in who he wants and keep who he wants. So that will be the next step. Then after that he will need to get the players he wants to run the defense. I believe he will need a rangy Free Safety, and another ILB.

Like I have been seeing all over. You hire the person not the scheme. It sounds like he was a good person to hire

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Guam's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:21 am

Like you RC, I have no idea who Hafley was or how he will be as a coach for the Packers. I could probably have said that about most of the coaches the Packers were interviewing. They might have had slightly more recognizable names, but with the exception of Staley, almost none of them had been DC's before and had limited experience.

I will wait until next season to see what kind of defense he puts on the field before I make any judgements. Same for Hafley as for any of the other candidates Lafleur could have hired.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:42 am

I am in a wait and see mode as well. I do like what I have read so far. No matter who was going to be hired, we need to be patient. "Rome wasn't built in a day."

One of the important things about this hire though (from what it sounds like). Is that LaFleur is hiring the person, not the scheme. That is where he went wrong with Barry. He was hiring the scheme, and unfortunately hired a guy that wasn't great with the scheme.

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murf7777's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:31 am

A couple of comments RC:

I would think as the co-D coor at OSU he wasn’t the main person running the D. I believe that was our own Madisonian Greg Mattison who came from Michigan the year before. It was Mattison’s last year as a coach as he retired around 70 year old. I’d think it still shows his leadership abilities and he learned from Mattison.

From my understanding, he has been around all types of Defenses and doesn’t come with some preconceived defensive front like 4-3, 4-2,3-3 or 3-4. I also wonder whether that really matters? In today’s NFL teams seem to like versatility with their players so they can play with their hand on the ground or not. For me anyways, I don’t care what base he starts with, just so he starts with a great game plan and adjust accordingly during a game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:09 am

Correct, he was a Co-D. I believe he was in charge of the passing game part of it. I could be wrong, I am going off of what I read last night and I read a lot.

correct. He has been apart of a lot of different styles of defenses. So it will be interesting to see how he wants to play it. And maybe he will work his 'system' around the players he has as well.

The part that can't go unnoticed is that he was a HC. He has lead the entire team. That is something that I think is a good thing.

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:53 am

Also, compared to being a HC of a collage team with recruiting, 100+ players and babysitting duties, this will be a cakewalk. He'll be able to just concentrate on one aspect of football.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:01 am

Exactly right. No NIL deals and transferring to worry about anymore.

It is interesting to me that he went from a HC in college to a DC in the pros. I'd love to hear what his reasons are.

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13TimeChamps's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:10 am

I think you just answered your own question. No more NIL, recruiting trips, transfer portals to deal with. Being a college HC has changed quite a bit over the last 2-3 years. I suspect that had a lot to do with Saban retiring while still on top of his game.

Now he can just concentrate on coaching/coordinating a defense.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:07 am

Yeah I am looking forward to hearing what he says.

To me he is coming into a great situation. He has very good players, and has an upcoming offense. I think the opportunity might be a big reason why.

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murf7777's picture

February 02, 2024 at 07:26 am

RC, if the NCAA or the governing bodies don’t change college football soon, you will see more do the same from mid-tier programs. Those programs don’t have the resources to compete with NIL deals, etc.. and all the work they put in to help a player become a star risk losing them to a BIG program who offers big dollars. Way more work and heartbreak for a few dollars more.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:59 am

RC,
I'm with you, the more I read and hear, the more I like.
One of the supposedly big differences between Hafley and most of the others we heard about was that Hafley's head coaching stint at BC gives him experience in weekly game planning and organizational responsibilities that guys like Parker and Wilson did not have.
My best guess would be that's another asset that MLF appreciates as he won't need to babysit that end of it.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:16 am

Yes. i just said that something that can't go unnoticed is that he was a HC. I think that is a huge plus. He now can be the HC of the defense. He can lead that unit.

I completely agree with you that MLF will love not having to interject himself into the defense.

I have seen a couple of things, which I don't know what is true or not. I had seen that he is giving the assistants the ability to go see other jobs. I have seen that some could remain on staff. But that Hafley will get to pick his guys. So we will have to see what happens there.

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:01 am

I like that the report that quotes Sherman saying that he's so prepared and makes the D simplified for the players that they all know exactly what to do on game day and every play no matter what transpires and adjustments are made.

Remember the questioning looks the players were always giving each other during games and the missed assignments?

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:18 am

I agree. To me when you hear great players saying great things about people, i think that kind of says a lot. Doesn't mean everything but it says a lot.

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porupack's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:54 am

Well said, RC: you hire the person not the scheme. Wished american voters would do the same.

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mrtundra's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:15 am

I could have sworn that the beer that made Milwaukee famous, was Old Milwaukee. Maybe I'm wrong. Oh well!

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:02 am

Is Milwaukee really that famous anyway? I think they were grasping at straws.

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:11 am

LOL! I was just joking folks. Lighten up with the thumbs. I love Milwaukee and all of its beer. Outsiders just consider it a suburb of Chicago. Even people FROM Chicago treat it like that.

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Fubared's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:27 am

Okay now lets get serious, Joke is over, who are we interviewing today that is a good defensive coach and willing to come to the Packers and turn things around, Hafley, now that's funny. Probably a good guy for going along with this right. Cant wait to here who LeFleur ends up with he has four very good people on his list.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:49 am

I'm selfish. I wanted a proven NFL DC to come in and weave all those first round picks into a dominating D. Maybe Hafley can do that. No clue. Nothing left to do but wait and see.

The Athletic piece on the the Jets is filled with tasty schadenfreude. What a mess.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:13 am

it was a delicious read. Here's the link for anyone curious

https://theathletic.com/5238599/2024/01/31/jets-aaron-rodgers-robert-sal...

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NFLfan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:50 am

Perhaps Matt's BFF, the embattled Saleh (whom I admire defensively), gave a thumbs-up.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:31 am

I am assuming this.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:51 am

I'll say this: we have to ask ourselves why we were "excited" about other candidates when none has ever worked in this job. The most successful DCs either stay in that role where they are (admittedly, some like Evero are suffering at the hands of poorly run teams and fired HCs) or get the chance to run their own teams.

Since just about every other inexperienced candidate is the product of the media hype train, it's hard to say much about any of them except they worked under a successful DC that got their foot in the door for them. Many of these inexperienced DC candidates will get their shot, but be back in the mill in 2-3 years either when their HC gets fired or when their HC will look for something better. A couple will get their chance to be an HC.

In the case of Hafley, he's someone who has worked in a variety of schemes but his only DC experience comes at OSU with an even front. HIs BC teams ran a 4-2-5 base (with their extra DB being a S, so in the same vein as Det) but he didn't call defensive plays.

Over his time, he's coached with guys with Packers connections (Ryan Downard, Mike Malaspina (scouting director), Mike Pettine) and with people LaF knows well and trusts (Mike LaFluer, Robert Saleh, Kyle Shanahan). So I don't think this is as blind a grasp as some make it out to be. It will be interesting to see how he shapes the base defense, but with Van Ness and Gary, they have two DE/OLB types, and Colby Wooden is more of an even front DE... so the cupboard isn't bare there. This would allow Quay Walker to play his more natural WLB in an even front.

I'm not advocating for a change in base defense--the Packers have DL prospects that look like they could be ascending, but a 4-3 would stress that depth. Recall that the switch from Bob Sanders' 4-3 to Dom Capers' 3-4 took a year and they were contenders after that, but they also hit on a couple key players (Raji and CMIII) right off the bat.

Around the NFCN---
The Bears have made some interesting moves in their coaching. They brought in an OC who worked well with Geno Smith, which might argue they're willing to stick it out with Fields--but that will mean that they need to make a financial commitment to him or risk going through some franchise tag/free agency drama. Even if they deal Fields, I don't think they'll get the payday they're hoping for because of his on-field play and contract status. They need a lot of pieces, and they have a lot of capital, but their up-and-down draft record and inability to develop guys leaves them in a mess. I think they leapfrog MIN in 2024 though into 3rd place in the NFCN.

The Lions caught a break when Ben Johnson chose to stick around. Probably one of the more surprising coaching developments this off-season, until you see that about the only suitor left (since other jobs were getting filled) was Washington. Aaron Glenn sticks around, too. That plays well for this team because replacing high-end assistants is a tough business, and if both guys left, it would gut that staff. Still, Goff is Goff, and as a young team they're headed for a point where hard decisions need to be made on who to keep and who walks. We always used to say that the champ was the champ (Packers) until they're not, so I'll give DET that deference.

The Vikings are backed into a corner with their QB. They learned that O'Connell couldn't make the offense go with just any schlep, which either puts Cousins in the drivers' seat--and challenges them to find ways to pay Jefferson--or forces them to find a potential franchise QB in the draft...picking outside the top 10 makes that harder. The defense fell on hard times at the end of the year, even though they kept the Vikes in games early on, they surrendered 30 ppg over their last 4 when they were playing for a playoff spot. They need a lot of help. 4th place in 2024.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:47 am

Well said about Hafley.

I have seen people already complaining about the hire. Mostly because we didn't hire someone they wanted. Which is ok.

I get that we don't know how this will turn out. Because we haven't seen Hafley be a DC in the NFL yet. But neither were a lot of the guys that we have been talking about. And a lot of us weren't wanting to get a retread DC.

What I'm excited for now is to see what the next step is.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:31 am

...and we have to ask ourselves why we "wanted" the guys rated highly on the list. It's mostly hype based on another coordinator's leadership. Most failed first-time DCs fit that bill, too.

I come back to the fact that Hafley was really NOT on the market. He was under contract at BC and likely to return there in 2024, otherwise (the Packers are likely to be paying some kind of buy-out). Some view this him grasping a lifeline from a floundering program, but it was one he took. If he was going to be canned this off-season, it would've happened by now. His path now runs through the NFL and this is probably what he wanted at this stage.

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LeotisHarris's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:57 am

Would you just stop making sense and being so damn levelheaded? Can't there be *one guy* who can fix everything and didn't the Packers just whiff on his hiring, dobber? Can't we clean house, fire everyone and get *new* guys that will do all the right things at the right time? If we can't have a purge, how about a good public flogging? No? Okay, then, just a little blood-letting? Is it too early in the year to get quality leeches?

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2024 at 01:27 pm

Um...yes?

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:21 am

yeah i mean he could be one that is leaving before they make him leave kind of thing. But either way I feel like he found a great opportunity and he is taking it.

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GregC's picture

February 01, 2024 at 04:11 pm

Good points dobber, but it's more than just hype when these DC candidates are interviewed by multiple teams. I tend to assume that NFL teams know what they are doing with these interviews and hires, rather than just responding to hype. Hafley's career path seems a little odd to me, which causes some doubt about how this will work out. I like what I'm reading about his approach to coaching defense though.

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DragonSilk's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:01 am

When Shanahan took over as 49ers HC he kept Hafley on as DB coach. That's always a good sign.

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Coldworld's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:02 am

Does anyone really know what we got? Honestly I do not. His record has highs and lows and it’s guesswork trying to put much of it in context.

I do wonder if he was a clear first choice or this was finalized after the moves by Seattle. Perhaps that will come out, perhaps not.

I think that this hiring surely only ratchets up the pressure on LaFleur if it doesn’t go well. This was a year with a strong talent pool. If Haffley underperforms the questions will be legitimate. If Haffley shines though, it will be seen as a coup.

Oh well, the draft and any free agency will probably offer the first tangible clues to his intentions, though I will be very interested to see which coaches he replaces.

I am somewhat perturbed by the general feeling of relief out of Boston College. He apparently won’t be greatly lamented by some. There’s a lot of “jumped before he was pushed” sentiment out there. An example:

https://www.bcinterruption.com/2024/1/31/24057548/opinion-jeff-hafley-fi...

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MooPack's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:32 am

And the comments are less than friendly.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:34 am

with a grain of salt because fans are entitled cretins

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:25 pm

Now that's a great description of fans, at least the ones that take time to write comments.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:34 am

Coldworld,
Just a short time ago Ian Rappaport talked about the good job Hafley did at BC while the good players he recruited were 'poached' annually by bigger schools as BC didn't have the resources to offer full scholarships.
I haven't read the article you list, but according to Rappaport, Hafley might be just as happy to get out of there and shed the handcuffs.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:02 am

He also did not like dealing with all the stuff college football has going right now, Nil, portal transfers, etc...BC never had a very good roster to begin with, if Orlavsky and Sherman say he's a good hire and will bring a more aggressive defense than ill give him a shot...MLF must know if the "D" doesnt improve with this hire both guys will be on the hot seat....now go have a great draft!!

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Packers0808's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:02 am

I think in a way this a really cool to think that all the Pundits had this or that guy to be Packer DC and LaFluer turns the whole wagon upside down with basically a guy seemingly in the GB arena ever even heard of. Hopefully smart move now much running down or up should happen. Hope he is successful!

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:20 am

Being a recruiter should make him a standout in the interview room. He's also a talent evaluator, and getting good players to go to Boston College is no picnic.

My guess is he is immediately better than Barry in the public facing aspects of the job. Whether he can steer the defense higher than 10th in scoring will be the metric that matters.

LaFleur didn't fire Barry in a vacuum, my guess is he had this guy on speed dial.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:25 am

I'm 100% on board with using our roster more often in a 4-2-5 style.

Gary and VanNess already play more like defensive ends than OLBs (In fact that's what I said after the Packers drafted him: He was best in college when he played with his hand down).
Colby Wooden and Karl Brooks are ALSO more like DEs than DTs.

Preston Smith and Quay Walker can play any defense. Isaiah McDuffie has looked good and has played under Hafely

Then, at DT, we have the classic run-stopping Clark and Slaton, and the penetrating Wyatt.
It's also great for this draft, because there are more penetrators than run-stoppers:
Jer'Zhan Newton, Kris Jenkins, Byron Murphy, Braden Fiske, etc. are all in play.

Valentine, Nixon, and Stokes are all better at press than zone. Now we need to add safeties that thrive in this defense.

BEER: I wonder if this Blatz uses the old recipe? My favorite beer in college was Old Style, which also had sweetness, but after being sold, it never tasted the same.

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RCPackerFan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:38 am

"Gary and VanNess already play more like defensive ends than OLBs (In fact that's what I said after the Packers drafted him: He was best in college when he played with his hand down).
Colby Wooden and Karl Brooks are ALSO more like DEs than DTs."

I was thinking about if we went to a more true 4-3 front how it would work out. I think our front can do whatever they are asked. They have guys that are versatile and could play different roles. I don't think its quite as much about if a guys hand is in the ground or if they are standing up. But its how they use the players.
For example. Are the Edge players out wider or in closer. With Barry a lot of times they were spread way out leaving huge gaps to try and fill.

One thing that I think can help our front out though is having a more aggressive approach on the back end. When its 3rd and 5, we no longer have DB's 10 yards off the ball. Tighter coverages can allow the rush to get to the QB.

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Houndog's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:41 am

We've all heard the term "hire the coach, not the scheme" how many times in the past few days?
If Richard Sherman knows anything about football, that might be what just happened.
My first reaction was 'WTF", but after reading and listening I've done a 180. I'm now much more content to wait and see.
I'd love to hear what Robert Saleh, Chase Young, and Kyle Shanahan have to say.

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NFLfan's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:47 am

I often rely on my gut and this hire is troubling to me. (per my gut-lol)
It would interesting (very) to find out more about the what happened behind the scenes during the entire 1-2 week-long interview process among all the candidates.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:27 pm

Wouldn't you have to have some facts though? How could your gut determine whether a hire is a good hire when you weren't in the interviews?

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:37 pm

Conversely you could trust the process, assume our professionals are actually professional and stop assuming the gut that you are trusting is anything other than the repository of beer.

Your gut and $5 will get you an IPA at your local tavern.

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splitpea1's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:40 pm

There's no way of ever knowing, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hafley was the hire all along and the previous weeks were just window dressing.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:47 am

First off, I never heard of Haley prior to the Packers hiring him, but based upon what I've read what others have had to say about him AND what I've read what he has written, I expect the Packers defense to improve. I hope the improvement will go through the roof, but nevertheless, I do expect improvement.

What do I like after all the reading?

1. He said it's paramount that a defense be able to adjust in a real time fashion which is something that simply didn't seem to exist previously under Barry.

2. When he addressed individual players, he said if they are playing well at their position, do not initiate changes in how you think they should play the position, but concentrate on helping them get even better. Sounds a little contradictory to me, but I think I know what he means by that and I like it. All too often I seen the Packers draft a player who is playing...for example...safety well in college and decide to make him play corner back and vice versa. Or a sound defensive lineman and try to make him a stand up linebacker and it fails. I believe he will be more judicious in having player used in the position that best suits their capability and their ability to enhance the Packers performance on defense.

3. He believes it's important to listen to players and said over the years he has learned greatly from the players themselves. I also believe that methodology will make the players themselves feel even more committed to playing the game with excitement and a stronger dedication.

4. And, I almost forgot...I don't expect to see corners playing off 10 yards on third down when the defense has three yards to go. Haley will play some aggressive press coverage when needed.

Just my thoughts, but what do I know?

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:50 am

Do you have any examples of "All too often I seen the Packers draft a player who is playing...for example...safety well in college and decide to make him play corner back and vice versa."

And sometimes a guy is used in college in a way that helps that particular squad win, not because that's his best fit in the NFL. That means a learning curve in the NFL(see Rashan Gary). but it's clearly not the wrong choice for his success in the NFL.

Overall I understand your point, but I don't think GB has made a ton of mistakes in this way. And if they did it wasn't with Gutey and MLF; it was long ago Ted Thompson draft picks. That was 7 years ago, Ted's last draft.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:57 am

Other than drafting tackles for use on the interior, I can't think of a player who wasn't used as drafted. Sam Shields? He had been a receiver at Miami but he played corner.

Micah Hyde - but they played him at the slot and at safety. Jenkins was a college center maybe but is guard that big of a move?

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:56 pm

Yeah, agree. And Shields switched to CB in college his senior year, so he did have a year of experience at corner. And for the o-line, they often need to move them around because the body type for those roles is different at the NFL level than it is in college. But overall, they haven't drafted guys just to change positions.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 01, 2024 at 04:47 pm

You won the quick draw contest. Nice post. The lineman that came to mind was from a number of years back named Datone Jones who was a defensive end in college and he did in fact play some defensive end for the Packers but was switched to stand up linebacker under Capers and did not excel as a first round draft choice and was not offered a 5th year extension. However you make a point in that there is not an abundance of cases to ever use the word often. Thanks for the comment and clarification. My bad and a thumbs up to both of you guys for the help.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:05 pm

"...he said if they are playing well at their position, do not initiate changes in how you think they should play the position, but concentrate on helping them get even better."

I like this too. And I don't believe this will be contradictory to Alexander in at all...and entirely welcome. Barry initiated changes to insist Alexander, a great performer in man, to play zone. Same for Stokes. And Valentine, while a bit grabby in man, is better doing playing it than zone.

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Gravedigger93's picture

February 01, 2024 at 09:47 am

I think like most people here I've never heard of our new DC. Give him a chance. I like to look at the glass as Hafley full, not Hafley empty. OK, I won't say that again.

Back when I lived in Milwaukee in the late 80s early 90s Blatz is what we drank! $4.25 for a case of returnables....long live Blatz.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:13 am

Delicious, malty sweetness. <20 cents a bottle. A steal.

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dobber's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:40 am

...as long as they don't play Hafley-assed defense.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:24 am

I remember the old Blatz vs Schlitz beer back when I was a kid. They also had a beer made in Green Bay called RAHR'S back in the day that a few of us used at kegger parties. As they used to sing on that old TV show "Those were the days" Thanks for bring back old fond memories.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:11 pm

I have already used "glass Haf full" as Haf seems to be his nickname.

It seemed Matt had to Haf his DC! Ok, won't use that again:-/

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coolhand's picture

February 01, 2024 at 03:22 pm

Back in the late 80's and early 90's, I would go fishing in the UP and a local bar had a "fisherman's special" of 18 bottles of Blatz in a box for $10, what a steal!

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Packerpasty's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:09 am

Give the guy a chance...I guess we have to no other choice...he certainly can not be the first or even second choice though...reading the article that Coldworld posted above is a bit troubling for sure...if he flops both him and MLF will be under the gun...did Guty do background on this guy??

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:40 pm

Unfortunately, I don't think "Guty" has anything to do with it. Separate departments in Green Bay. I hope they at least talked about it and how it would affect personnel.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 01:09 pm

Why would he not be the first choice? I think you have to get a feel in interviews not only for a guys' background in different types of defenses, but their particular skills in teaching, motivating, creating schemes, flexibility, etc.

Since none of us see any of the interviews, we can't make any assumptions about why a particular candidate stood out, or exactly what qualities LaFleur felt were needed to bring out the best on the D .

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Swisch's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:31 am

I'm trying to see this as the glass being Hafley full instead of Hafley empty.
Let's hope the new guy is a defensive mastermind and a leader of men chosen presciently out of relative obscurity by a young and discerning NFL head coach who is finding his footing as the leader on the sideline and on the cusp of taking the Packers to a Super Bowl triumph.

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T7Steve's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:44 pm

Now we have to save for during next season, "Halfwit"

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CoachJV's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:44 am

"The defensive innovation that must occur to counter some of these prolific offenses taking the league by storm will likely be led by young, fresh minds as well."

BINGO!!!

I'm so glad we have a young and hungry hire... Experience, but no retread. No "old school" D schemes that haven't worked since Mahomes entered the league. No Zimmer's, Belechick's, Frazier's, Ryan's, or anything of the like... FRESH NEW MINDS are needed to stop today's high-powered offenses.

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ricky's picture

February 01, 2024 at 10:50 am

Every player and coach in the NFL started at the same place: being a rookie, facing real competition for the first time, and either showing they could adjust and grow, or fade into obscurity. So it will be with Jeff Hafley. But first, the players on defense have to buy into his ideas, learn new schemes, and probably take some time to stop thinking and start reacting. His assistants will also be key, since they will be spending a lot of time with the players. Will there be a cohesive message? Will players who seem to have plateaued take the next step and start realizing their potential? The exhibition season and the first few regular games could be rough. as the players adjust to their new roles. What will be important is the defense improving as the season progresses. Similar to what Love did this year.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:06 am

Anyone else old enough to remember the song?

I'm from Milwaukee and I oughta know
Blatz beer tastes great, whereever you go
All Blatz is draft-brewed, that's why you hear
Blatz is Milwaukee's finest beer!

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golfpacker1's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:25 am

A couple things:

Richard Sherman never says anything good about anybody. So that is really encouraging coming from him. A great player, but a real tool.

College football has changed for the worse with the legalized buying of players/NIL. I remember SMU got the death penalty for doing then what is now legal. Also, the transfer portal is extremely out of control. Boston College fits the description of most lower class schools that are turning into feeder programs for the "Big Boys".
I can see why a coach would want out.

I seem to be the only poster who read an Ohio State article of Hafley's short time there and one of the big things he had to teach/coach. TACKLING CORRECTLY!! Which is one of GBs biggest problems. Hard to believe that would be a problem @ Ohio State with the caliber of DBs they get there. We needed someone with BIGTIME DB coaching talent and experience. I think we got just that with Hafley.

Also love the fact that his DBs get a lot of turnovers, something in short supply for us this year. With Barry's pattern of his defense giving up points and leads late, it could have cost us the Dallas game without them and could have won the SF game with the ones we missed. If he can make the DBs play better as has been his calling card, that bodes well for one of our Packers teams biggest weaknesses. And it will make the front seven better too.

My first reaction was WHO? But as others have said, did any of us posters know about any of the candidates before this search started? The big takeaway is we moved on from Barry, and we got a younger, talented coach to replace him.

Last thing, along with the emphasis on tackling this coach has, I like what I have read about he is still evolving on the way he coaches defense. Because the game is always changing. Hafley sounds like a coach that will make adjustments as the game goes on, which Barry never did. The Packers got better today, time will show how much.

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Lphill's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:39 am

a younger coach coming out of college coming to the youngest team may make for a good chemistry between them ,lets hope that's the case .

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:03 pm

I get that position coaches become coordinators, but there is no guarantee that a position coach will be a good coordinator. The jobs are radically different.

That Hafley was a head coach and that he ran a successful program speaks well of his ability to run a defensive room. Also, anyone thinking he won't bolt for a head coaching job is kidding themselves. The Packers somehow win the super bowl in the next two years and he's off to new pastures.

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HawkPacker's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:41 am

After reading the above comments as well as other articles, it appears that no one really knows our new DC. I certainly don't and like most, I want to give him a chance.

My concern is that his track record is just so so at best. Not very impressive. I basically have the same feeling that I had when Joe Barry was hired. Then as now, I will give the guy a chance but history of this position hire under LaFleur has not been the best.

Head coaches, CEO's, upper echelon of management will do well to hire smart and talented people around them. It will make them look good as well as successful. There job is then much easier as well.

I am not a believer in hiring friends. Lots of times it just does not work out! Now maybe this guy really is not a friend but kind of an acquaintance or just someone Matt has worked with. I don't know.

Let's give him a chance and if he fails? Well, I would guess that is on LAF and I do not know where we will go to at that point.

Let's hope for the best!

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Rudedawg67's picture

February 01, 2024 at 11:56 am

All you can do is wait and give the man a chance. If the right choice was made in the first place, Ejiro Evero and not Joe Barry should have been our DC. As poor as that offense was and how many times the offense gave the ball up in Carolina, that defense still gave up less than 300 yards a game on average. Does Carolina have betters players then Green Bay on defense?

I know Hafley produced exceptional defenses at Ohio State but that is Ohio State. You automatically have better players sitting on your bench than 95% of other teams starter in college football. Evero did more with less at Carolina.

I hope this new hire proves all the doubters wrong because I believe there is a lot of skeptics out there even though they want to remain positive. I am one of them. The DC has been a sore spot in Green Bay for years now in my opinion. I hope this DC will bring us back to defense like we had in the 2010-2011 season.

I give the organization some credit. At least they didn't do a Dom Capers and stay with someone way past the time to let them go.

Good Luck Jeff Hafley

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

February 01, 2024 at 05:36 pm

He has extensive NFL experience with many styles of defense. Don't pigeon hole him b/c of a couple of his stops along the way.

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porupack's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:19 pm

what do I know about hiring a coach? Let the experts earn their legacies. We'll roast them if they don't. Until then.....

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 01, 2024 at 12:35 pm

The fact Jeff and Matt are longtime friends probably explains why the recruiting, interviewing and hiring were all under the radar.

Hafley had a job and Matt no doubt had inside knowledge about his concerns about the college game upheavals with NIL, transfer portals, and complexities it brought to recruiting and team building.

I expect he was one of, if not the first candidate he called after Barry was fired. And I also expect prior to the offer, conversations were had by Matt with Saleh, Shannihan, his brother, and perhaps even Pettine.

Jeff inherits a solid D roster.

Clark, Slayton, Wyatt, Brooks, and Wooden can play DT. Gary, Preston, Van Ess can play DE...and so can Brooks and Wooden. Solid front 4 players.

Walker and McDuffie form a good core for the LBs. Back to discussing Mike, Will, and Sam LBs. Campbell? I don't know. Probably a high draft pick at LB coming.

CBs also have a good core for Haf. Alexander, Stokes, and Valentine are man CBs. Maybe Nixon looks more attractive too. But Safety is the KEY for the Hafley's 4-3, Cover 1. Expect to see new players at the position via draft and maybe FA.

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CoachJV's picture

February 01, 2024 at 02:52 pm

Nixon will be in the CB room regardless because we won't give up his ST return abilities.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 01, 2024 at 03:16 pm

Do a little research, they ARE NOT long time friends...not bud's, they both know and have worked for the same people thats about it...

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CheeseEdWest2's picture

February 01, 2024 at 05:34 pm

I recommend Andy Herman's review of the new DC. Well rounded, honest, informative.

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White92's picture

February 01, 2024 at 07:16 pm

Stoked! Let's roll with this guy!! Can't be worse than Barry

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CheesePuff's picture

February 01, 2024 at 08:01 pm

Yet another shocker out of deep left field. I get a kick out of all the mock drafts and predictions regarding what Packers coaches and management will do concerning staffing, drafts and trades. Nobody has a clue how this organization thinks or operates until they announce it. All Packers fans have are wishes and hope. Can’t wait to see how this new DC does.

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