Hello Wisconsin: The Defense Arrives

Sunday marked the the arrival of the defense Packer fans hoped to see in 2022.

After a rough start to the 2022 season, the Green Bay Packers’ defense arrived on Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The defense got diced up by Justin Jefferson and the Vikings’ passing game in week one, then got slashed and dashed by the Chicago Bears’ run game in week two. Not that the latter ended up mattering much, when the Bears got only 70 yards out of Justin Fields due to an unwillingness to put the ball in his hands and the quarterback’s own ball-throwing deficiencies.

But for the first time this season, this unit resembled exactly what many had hoped for out of it coming into the season: a complete, shutdown force capable of carrying a team to the promised land.

Now, of course, it’s just one game, and it’s still September. It’s far too early to be making any grand statements about this defense or the team’s potential. But you have to feel good about what you saw out of the team. 

Tom Brady did get off to an efficient start throwing the football, but as the day wore on, there was very little room for the Bucs to go. The Packers kept the Bucs out of the endzone for almost the entirety of the game and forced numerous three and outs. The defense blanketed the Bucs’ receivers after the first quarter, the running game got nowhere, and the pass rush was effective in plays where Brady wasn’t simply getting the ball out as quickly as possible.

Kenny Clark is quietly off to the best start of his career, and this is reflected in both PFF and Andy Herman’s grades. He’s been a force along the defensive line, and it’s helped in part by the addition of Jarran Reed, who’s been strong in relief. 

Rashan Gary has been a force to be reckoned with and has a sack in each game so far. In both the pass rush and run defense he has been excellent. His bookend, Preston Smith, has kept up his momentum from his bounceback 2021 season and has been an extremely valuable piece of the defense.

After a tough week one, De’Vondre Campbell has bounced back in a big way. He was all over the field on Sunday, and the presence of Quay Walker has only helped the middle of the field. It’s almost impossible to believe Walker is a rookie; his football instincts are so strong and his decision making so fast that when you couple that with his natural speed and strength he looks like a guy who’s been playing at a high level for at least five years in the league already. 

The secondary took its lumps in the first week, but has rebounded since. Eric Stokes completely shut down his side of the field on Sunday. Rasul Douglas played well, especially once put to the outside to fill in for the injured Jaire Alexander. You’re getting contributions out of guys like Keisean Nixon, for goodness’ sake. 

There are still improvements to be made. Darnell Savage has not yet shown signs of rebounding from a really rocky 2021 campaign. Adrian Amos has not played up to expectations that he’s set for himself so far. Amos did have a slow start last year, but was back to playing excellent football by October, so maybe there’s a bit of a warm-up period needed. And Alexander himself hasn’t been great yet, though he didn’t have to do much against the Bears and barely played against the Bucs. 

But boy, you have to feel good about the effort the defense put forth this week. The naysayers will be certain to say they were playing against a depleted Bucs team, and that’s true, but this is also a team quarterbacked by the greatest quarterback in NFL history. Sure, he may be 45 years old, but he’s coming off a season in which he could easily have won the league’s MVP award. Regardless of who he’s throwing to, a quarterback of that caliber is dangerous.

This was a victory the Packers earned because of their defense and special teams. If they’re able to consistently win these kinds of games, they’re going to be tough to beat later in the season.

Wisconsin Beer of the Week

This past Saturday I was able to attend the Milwaukee release of the official beer of CheeseheadTV, Carry the G, brewed by Gathering Place Brewing Company. It was good to see Aaron and Corey in person, and to talk to some loyal CHTV followers!

The event just so happened to be held at a bar located about four doors down from where I lived in my Shorewood days, around a decade ago now. It was a little wild to be thrown back into my old neighborhood, which has changed mightily since then, but it was a good time!

There aren’t a whole ton of places in the Milwaukee area selling Carry the G (you can find it at a bunch of local Sendiks’ and a few other local liquor stores), so this Shorewood location was the best place for me to find it. 

I knew Gathering Place did good work–I’ve been to their brewery and had some of their other brews before–so I felt pretty good assuming Carry the G would also be of high quality. And I was right! 

At 5.1 percent ABV, this cream ale is easy drinking and an absolutely ideal tailgate beer. I can imagine it pairing perfectly with a brat and some kraut. You can drink one and sip it, you can drink a bunch and not feel like garbage. It’s light enough for hot weather, but also malty enough that it will hit the spot all the way through the fall and until the end of the football season. 

Plus, the can design is great!

Corey gave me the overview of how the beer came to be, and I must say, everyone involved has done really solid work with this. If you have the opportunity to pick up a four pack near you, I’d highly recommend it. It’s a great small brewery here in Milwaukee that you’re supporting, plus, of course, everyone at CHTV! From the sounds of it, this beer is selling FAST, so pick up yours as soon as you have the chance.

Early props merited for special teams

I have to say, I was a bit worried about the performance of the Packers’ special teams in the preseason. It seemed like we were heading on a collision course toward a repeat of 2021 at times.

But so far, through three games, special teams has been anywhere from adequate to actively good, and this week the group had its best performance yet.

Punter Pat O’Donnell is off to an outstanding start. He’s been extremely reliable at pinning the ball deep and hasn’t had a single shank or poor play. He’s also doing good work on his holds in the field goal unit. 

There are other players that are making a big difference in the unit that were not here in 2021. Rudy Ford has been a heat-seeking missile at the gunner position (or the “flyer,” as Matt LaFleur called it in a press conference). Keisean Nixon has been a difference maker in coverage as well–and then stepped in for Jaire Alexander and made several big plays on defense this week to boot.

The Packers’ investment in special teams this offseason, both in terms of coaching and personnel, is clearly already paying off. That’s not to say it’s been perfect, but this game against the Bucs was basically the same game as the team played in the playoffs against San Francisco, just without the special teams gaffes. It can really make a big difference.

Brett Favre belongs in prison

Every day there seems to be a new twist added to the Brett Favre/Mississippi Welfare scandal. Just when you think it can’t get any worse… it does.

Favre was the first Packers quarterback I ever knew growing up. As someone born in the late 80s, my football consciousness took off in the early-mid 90s, and Favre became a childhood hero. 

It’s starting to appear obvious that he was a likely scumbag the entire time. Certainly there are rumors of his indiscretions in the 90s, but it wasn’t really until the late 2000s that the general public began to get a look behind the veil, so to speak, to the real Brett Favre after his sexting scandal. 

Favre has repeatedly put his foot in his mouth in the years since his retirement, and this Mississippi Welfare story has been brewing for a couple years now. But it seems like lately the revelations are coming hot and fast. 

The latest came yesterday, when it was revealed in an article by the fantastic Kalyn Kahler and Katie Strang that Favre’s charity, geared toward supporting children with cancer, diverted money toward athletics at the University of Southern Mississippi. 

This means Favre has defrauded the State of Mississippi, robbed from the poorest of its citizens (who are, in turn, the poorest in the United States) and now we’re finding out he used kids with cancer as a vehicle to rake in money for pet projects at USM.

Talk about utter trash. The man will likely never see the inside of a jail cell because there is no such thing as justice for the rich, but he absolutely deserves it.

In addition, the Packers should give serious consideration to removing his name from the walls of Lambeau Field. I would not advocate for removing him from the Green Bay Packers or Pro Football Hall of Fame: he earned those honors with his play on the field. But a place on the facade of football’s Mecca has a greater honor to it, something that goes beyond the gridiron. It should be reserved for those who represented the sport’s greatest and most historic franchise in the greatest way both on and off the field.

Favre has earned every football accolade he’s received, but this one is different. He doesn’t deserve to have his name emblazoned on one of the NFL’s crown jewels.

Romeo Doubs off to a fine start

Romeo Doubs saw the football a lot on Sunday, largely out of necessity due to Christian Watson and Sammy Watkins being unavailable.

All he did was catch everything thrown to him.

Doubs is off to a fine start this season, and after his performance on Sunday it’s going to be hard for the Packers to take him off the field, even with Watson and Watkins eventually returning. Watson simply is way behind Doubs in terms of actual on-field NFL experience right now due to missing basically all of training camp and then getting injured again after week two, and with Watkins, we know exactly what he is by now.

This was the kind of game that will earn a young receiver some favor with a quarterback who is famously slow to trust players at that position. And for the guys determining who will get on the field, seeing Doubs come out and catch a bunch of balls on the road in tough conditions in just his third game will make them want to see more of what he can do.

Doubs was a deep ball threat all throughout his collegiate career. It’s only a matter of time before the Packers open up his route tree and really get a chance to see what he can do now that he’s at the next level.

And of course, Watson will have plenty of chances as well when he returns. But as of the moment, Doubs has taken a sizable lead in terms of who has earned more of those chances.

Around the NFC North

Once again we’ll take a quick look around the NFC North at what the Packers’ rivals are doing.

  • The CHICAGO BEARS are a surprising 2-1, but I don’t think there’s a team in the league that’s worried about taking them on. The two teams they beat, the 49ers and the Texans, have both looked pretty bad. Speaking of pretty bad… Justin Fields. Yikes. Everyone knew Bears fans were putting the cart before the horse when they started talking about Fields as though he was going to take over the division this year, but I don’t think anyone could have been prepared for just how bad he’s been. And what’s more, he clearly doesn’t have the trust of his coaching staff, who simply refuse to keep the ball in his hands. It won’t be long before the natural order re-establishes itself and the Bears are at the bottom of the division.

 

  • The DETROIT LIONS are so close to breaking out, but they still have to wipe out the stench of losing that has plagued the organization for decades. Over the first three weeks of the season they’ve played better than they’ve really had any right to. They should have been able to beat the Vikings on the road this past week, but in true Detroit sports fashion they managed to completely choke away the lead in the fourth quarter. This is a fun team with some enjoyable young stars and a goofball coach, but the fun will only last for so long if they keep losing. They’re going to need to start holding on to these leads if that coach is going to want to last for long.

 

  • The MINNESOTA VIKINGS have been on kind of a bender since taking down the Green Bay Packers in the season-opening Super Bowl. They sleepwalked through their week 2 embarrassment against Philadelphia, and nearly let the Lions pull one out in their own stadium. Something interesting: after week one, teams haven’t really had a whole lot of difficulty holding Justin Jefferson in check. What are they doing that the Packers weren’t? Well, putting their best defender on him probably has something to do with it…

News from the Milwaukee beer scene

There have been some shakeups to craft brewing in Wisconsin recently. Ale Asylum in Madison announced over the summer that it would be closing up shop. More recently (and more locally for me), Milwaukee Brewing Company announced it would be selling its facility (that the company just moved into in 2018) and was seeking a buyer for its branding and beer.

It was touch and go there for a moment–it looked like Milwaukee Brewing Company beers would be gone from the market completely. While Milwaukee Brewing Company hasn’t managed to get the same degree of distribution or acclaim as fellow local stalwart Lakefront Brewery, it has been around for a while and was pretty influential in Milwaukee’s craft brewing scene. It would have been a loss to the area for sure to lose some of its regular offerings.

However, Eagle Park Brewing Company recently announced it had purchased MBC’s branding and recipes, and would be continuing productions on those beers. In essence, MBC will still operate as a separate entity owned by Eagle Park, which will continue producing its own beers.

This is a big move for Eagle Park, which started as a tiny little brewery in the upper floor of a Milwaukee warehouse with a door at which you had to buzz to enter. Eagle Park now has its primary Milwaukee location, its larger Muskego taproom, its distilling operation AND the rights to all Milwaukee Brewing Company beers and branding. That has significantly increased Eagle Park’s value.

It’ll be interesting to see what comes next for Eagle Park as well. It’s regularly considered one of Milwaukee’s best breweries. I’d certainly place it in the top tier, though behind 1840 Brewing which is, to me, far and away the best in the city (and quite possibly the state). If Eagle Park is capable of purchasing the branding for such a recognizable city fixture, they’re clearly doing well for themselves. Could future expansion and locations be a possibility as well? 

Anyway, good for us all that Milwaukee Brewing Company isn’t completely going away, and good for Eagle Park as well.

Final look: Patriots at Packers and Week Four Picks

The Patriots still have the greatest head coach since the NFL/AFL merger, but they’re likely going to be playing Brian Hoyer at quarterback this weekend, on the road in Green Bay with an offense that already struggles. I don’t really see a way that this ends well for them.

If the Packers’ defense puts up the same fight it did against the Bucs, this one could end up turning into a blowout.

Give me the Packers 27, Patriots 10.

Here are my picks for week four. For the third week in a row I finished 8-8 and am looking more and more mediocre by the week. Perhaps now by the fourth week of the season I’ll have at least some sort of better understanding over who these teams are!

BENGALS over Dolphins

SAINTS over Vikings

LIONS over Seahawks

STEELERS over Jets

GIANTS over Bears

COLTS over Titans

CHARGERS over Texans

BROWNS over Falcons

COWBOYS over Commanders

EAGLES over Jaguars

RAVENS over Bills

CARDINALS over Panthers

RAIDERS over Broncos

PACKERS over Patriots

CHIEFS over Bucs

RAMS over Niners

 

Last week: 8-8

Season: 24-24

 

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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NickPerry's picture

September 29, 2022 at 06:46 am

Ummm Tim...Those are the week THREE games...

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TimBackes's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:14 am

Oh shoot, I forgot to paste in my new picks. I’ll get that edited a little later today. I even gave it a couple proofreads 🤦‍♂️Thanks for the heads up!!

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NickPerry's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:17 am

Hey, it's early. It's 4 AM here in Los Angeles when the first CHTV article of the day appears on my screen. No worries!!

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TimBackes's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:22 am

Got em in before students arrived for first period, awww yeaaa

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croatpackfan's picture

September 29, 2022 at 08:28 am

Tim will it be so demanding to post your predictions of the every week games with possibility for us to each made our own prediction. Just for fun. Something like every week pool that close 1 hour before the start of Thursday game?

Thanks for reply...

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Houndog's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:01 am

Tim,
I think I kinda' remember Brian Hoyer as a member of the Chiefs carving up the Packers pretty good just a few years ago, or am I imagining things?
Belichick will have his team ready to play, he always does. Don't overlook this one.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:56 am

Hoyer playing for Andy Reid and with a creative and effective set of skill position guys vs. the Pats offense with their weird OC comic-book braintrust of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge...hmmm.

That said, they'll play good D and I expect a low-scoring dogfight. This will be a four-quarter game.

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NickPerry's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:15 am

Nice as usual Tim... Yes, the defense looked great in Tampa Bay but I'd feel much better if they'd done it against Evans and Godwin. Hey, you can only play who you play, and when you play them right? But I'm stoked about this Packers Defense still. Kenny Clark and Gary are beasts and Preston Smith was excellent in weeks one and two. Reed has been good and IMO the depth was a big reason why they were so good in TB. What's been really fun is watching Quay Walker get better, and better, and better each week before our eyes. This kid is going to be something!

Doubs look really good on Sunday. Watching him follow Allen Lazard into the endzone for his first NFL touchdown was pretty cool. Lazard is so good. Because he's not flashy, fast, or loud, people don't realize how good he really is. He may not have the hands or feet of Adams or the speed of Jordy, but he'll knock ANYONE who gets in his way on their ass when he's blocking for a teammate! He just does so much. As far as Doubs goes just keep getting him the ball. He had 8 targets and 8 receptions. If he gets that many opportunities each week (and he should) the yards will come too. That TB defense is so fast and flows so well. Job well done by the rookie.

Around the NFC North... The Bears still and will ALWAYS suck, but the Lions are actually a pretty interesting team right now. When Swift is healthy (not often) and our friend Jamal Williams they have a hell of a backfield. The O-Line is pretty damn good too and I keep thinking WHY didn't Gute take Amon St. Brown in the 3rd round last season instead of Amari Rodgers. St. Brown went later in the 4th and has become a pain in defenses asses every week since. Still have hope for our own Amari Rodgers though...Sigh...

Tim, you know one hell of a lot about beer. You know how they taste, where they are made, and whether or not they'd taste good with a brat...Pretty damn impressive. Now I'm one of those who just can't drink as I've shared here more than one. But I do appreciate all the information you provide. Hell, when I drank there was Pabst, Miller, Bud, or even Hamms which some of my buddies enjoyed. But NOW, there are just so many it's mind-boggling. It's always an interesting read...Thank you, Tim.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:58 am

"but the Lions are actually a pretty interesting team right now. "

The 2022 Lions are the 2021 Vikings in Honolulu blue. They're going to score points, but their QB will have periodic periods of really awful, and the back 7 on defense is begging to give games away.

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September 29, 2022 at 08:14 am

The Lions can score. Though, they have not really faced a real good defense yet. They are an interesting team. I actually believe they are a better team than Chicago.

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September 29, 2022 at 08:43 am

Chicago is where the Lions were 2 seasons ago. Trying to get free of the legacy of prior regimes to clear the decks and look to see what they can do to break down and retool Fields in the process, before they start reconstruction in earnest.

The Lions have some interesting pieces and some large voids. They are starting to get some building blocks in place, but the hard part is filling that out into a roster that can hold up as a whole.

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September 29, 2022 at 01:47 pm

I don't know that the Lions/Bears analogy holds...two years ago at this point the Lions hadn't dealt Stafford and acquired their draft capital (and later, got Michael Brockers for a song in a follow-up deal from the Rams). This was all pre-deal for a franchise (the Lions) wallowing with a lousy coach-team relationship and big holes in personnel. Since then, they've changed coaches, changed management, and cashed in those picks. What's more, they've been right more than wrong on the picks they've exercised, and will have a healthy cap situation because of it--and they haven't dealt away their future picks.

The Bears, OTOH, paid out a fortune for Mack (in $$ and picks), traded up for and washed out a QB, spent up their cap, and depleted their roster. THEN once they got some draft capital, blew their wad on Fields, making sure they were going to struggle against the cap AND not get high picks to support him for his first two years. So now, they're waiting for players to clear their cap, but they've got precious little in the developmental pipeline and will need to rebuild by buying players off the market or by waiting 2-4 years for any draft picks they do exercise to mature...which in this day of bloated contracts is not an attractive way to do business.

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September 29, 2022 at 05:03 pm

I think it actually hurts the Bears to be 2-1. They are going nowhere this year and know it so the sooner they take the training wheels off Fields the better because they need to find out if there's anything worth keeping there. Once they get to 3-8 or whatever they can take the training wheels off and let him throw 35 times a game and see if he learns from his mistakes. The hard part is judging him in the context of the talent around him.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2022 at 06:19 pm

The lions had to wait to clear out too. I understand that the Bears have pick and big contract issues. The lions dealt with their biggest last year when they moved Stafford, but they always had picks. The Bears will be much better placed next year In terms of cap and what they believe that they need to do at QB. I think that’s when they start their rebuild. This year may shape some of how they go about it (notably Fields’ progress), but I think this year is mainly enforced treading water. I’d argue that’s very close to the last year of Stafford in Detroit.

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September 29, 2022 at 04:59 pm

The Eagles have a good defense, they went into cruise control too early in week one but have locked it down since then. Certainly looked better against the Vikings than the Packers did.

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September 29, 2022 at 09:46 am

"Lazard is so good. Because he's not flashy, fast, or loud, people don't realize how good he really is. He may not have the hands or feet of Adams or the speed of Jordy, but he'll knock ANYONE who gets in his way on their ass when he's blocking for a teammate! He just does so much."

I agree 100% with you Nick. Just look at a replay of a pass play to Cobb in the first quarter where Lazard came all the way across the field and completely destroyed a Buc d back to help with a big gain.

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September 29, 2022 at 07:33 am

That's one way to raise up from mediocre. I think I could even pick 90% of last weeks games correctly.

Favre deserves his football glory. If these stories are all true, I'll have to agree with you Tim, that he doesn't look good up next to Reggie White.

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stockholder's picture

September 29, 2022 at 08:05 am

Brett Favre belongs in prison. He deserves a trail first! I'm being logical! Not in denial.
You =. "Talk about utter trash. The man will likely never see the inside of a jail cell because there is no such thing as justice for the rich, but he absolutely deserves it." Is this really an honest statement?
Justice can be blind.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2022 at 08:48 am

Yes, I’m pretty uncomfortable about this type of media driven verdict. It doesn’t smell good, but it is clear that the real cess pool was within the establishment and the real beneficiaries were not Favre or his family. In such circumstances, it may be wise to allow for naivety in associations. We will see, but that would fit my perception of Favre.

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 10:49 am

It is indeed hard to sort out these stories of alleged scandal from media reports, and sentencing Favre to prison and assigning him to disgrace seems rash in the extreme.
It would be interesting to compare Favre's foundation for cancer with Biden's foundation for cancer as far as how the money was spent.
Also, when Congress passes bills to address Covid or inflation, it seems like a lot of money goes to unrelated causes in a way that is inappropriate, if not shameful.
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In other words, how much of what Favre has done was illegal, or just working the system as it is now? Was Favre wrong, or is the system a mess, or some of both?
It's getting harder and harder for me to trust that justice is being done in America during these days of predawn raids by armed FBI agents.
We have supposedly and insurrection on January 6 by gun nuts who didn't have any guns; but the hundreds of riots across America during the summer of 2020 -- with smashing and burning and looting -- are supposedly wonderful expressions of protest (with the main instigator, BLM, seemingly still supported by the NFL, and with BLM now under scrutiny for its own bookkeeping practices).
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In any case, please, let's not rush to judgement on Brett Favre.

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wildbill's picture

September 29, 2022 at 12:21 pm

Well stated. How about the Clinton’s foundation? Seems like some , Biden&Clinton, get a free pass where some, Favre, is convicted by the media without a trial. How about some facts about Favre’s role before we sentence him to the Gulag.

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 01:03 pm

It's hard to expect justice when the President of the United States and his regime label average Americans as insurrectionists, homegrown terrorists, white supremacists, and generally violent extremists who are a threat to democracy.
I don't consider myself anything close to any one of these things, nor do I know such people, or even know of such people.
The identification of such people seems rather vague and illusionary. Do other fans here at CHTV encounter or witness such despicable and dangerous characters in their daily lives?
Whatever one thinks of the former President, it seems he has been unfairly and relentlessly harassed for the past several years. If his rights are being abused by the government with the aid of the media, then what hope do we as average Americans have to exercise our human rights of free expression?
If the establishment media wrote a story about any one of us, would we be confident it would be a fair portrayal?
Are we bigoted rubes if we want the restrooms at Lambeau Field to discriminate according to biological gender (i.e. no men in the ladies' room)?
Also, there's a certain penalty that is common in our society at present but not being flagged: piling on.

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 29, 2022 at 01:16 pm

Please keep your political crap off this site. This is a football/Packers site. Let's keep it that way.

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September 29, 2022 at 01:49 pm

I'm disappointed in you Swisch!

You do post good football comments, I request you to stick to those in this forum. There are many other forums for you to post political stuff.

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 03:47 pm

Maybe I did get carried away.
It would help if this article didn't provoke by calling Brett Favre a "scumbag" and "utter trash" who deserves to be in prison -- based on preliminary evidence that hasn't even gone to court.
After all, our former president was called a treasonous Russian agent by powerful politicians and prominent media, which seems not only absurd, but even reckless and spiteful (regardless of what you think about him).
Sad to say, I feel hesitant to speak up these days on social media, although I do. That's a terrible way to feel in America for those of us who believe in freedom from governmental persecution.
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I will note that Charlotte has already lost an NBA all-star game due to the gender bathroom issue, and Atlanta lost an MLB all-star game over voting regulations.
The NFL still has signs in the end zone that say, "End Racism," as if its fans aren't already against racism.
Overall, it seems sports is infected by wokeness that vilifies the majority of its own customers.
Most Americans are kind and generous and welcoming to all, and it pains me to have about half of us portrayed as haters -- even by sports leagues and pro athletes.

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 29, 2022 at 04:52 pm

"Sad to say, I feel hesitant to speak up these days on social media, although I do. That's a terrible way to feel in America for those of us who believe in freedom from governmental persecution."

Then by all means do speak up. It's your constitutional right. But please pick the proper forum. What the hell does what Favre is accused of have to do with gender bathroom rights!? Perfect example of how quick things get thrown completely off the original topic. This is exactly why this stuff needs to be posted on the proper forum.

This is a football site, where Packer fans come to discuss football. There are dozens of sites you can vent your political frustrations on. Please attempt to find one. Thank you!

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 29, 2022 at 05:35 pm

Charlotte lost an All-Star game because dumbass MAGA rednecks can get easily churned up by politicians when it might be one person in 100,000 in their area that actually identifies that way. Anybody with half a brain can look at statistics and realize a vast majority of trans gendered people live in NYC, LA and NO. They don't want to live in the sticks anymore than people that live in the sticks want them there.

Dumbassery as an art form. Politicians passing laws for no reason other than to stir up the mindless base.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 29, 2022 at 05:28 pm

So serious question, what do you think the January 6ers would have done if they found Daddy Pence, Pelosi or AOC that day? Sat down over coffee and discussed their grievances?

That was an angry mob and like RJD said when you listen to fools the mob rules.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 29, 2022 at 05:09 pm

"We have supposedly and insurrection on January 6 by gun nuts who didn't have any guns"

This is easily proven to be a lie. Might want to turn Faux News off once in awhile.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact...

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:51 pm

Swisch, it would be more interesting to me to compare Favre's foundation or Biden's foundation to the U.S. Roman Catholic Church and how it used a special and unprecedented exemption from federal rules to amass at least $1.4 billion in taxpayer-backed coronavirus aid, with many millions going to dioceses that have paid huge settlements or sought bankruptcy protection because of clergy sexual abuse cover-ups. As long as we're going to engage in whataboutism here, let's go big, shall we?

The origins of the misuse of TANF funds investigation in Mississippi began innocently. Here's "the media", Anna Wolfe from Mississippi Today, discussing it on the Dan Le Batard Show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7enzztmSRE It's worth 13 minutes of your time. You can see, she's a demon hell-bent on destroying America; probably doesn't stand for the National Anthem! Or Pray!

And, while we are all innocent until proven guilty, the ol' gunslinger ain't looking so good. ESPN reported Wednesday Favre 4 Hope, which has a stated mission of supporting disadvantaged children and cancer patients, donated more than $130,000 to the University of Southern Mississippi’s athletic foundation from 2018-2020, according to tax records.

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 08:41 pm

As a Catholic, I'm not always happy with the practices of the leaders of the Catholic Church, and won't automatically defend them or condemn them.
Then again, I'm not always happy with my own practices, with too many moral failings on my part.
I will say this, it's easier for me to compare myself to sinners than to saints. The saints really challenge me to look past the corruption of others and into my own heart for improvement.
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If I remember correctly, Leotis, you are passionately concerned about Native Americans and have been active in helping them, which to me is admirable.
I share your concern. I've lived much of my life in New Mexico and southern Colorado, near Navajos, Utes, and several pueblo tribes.
Plus, my wife is part Apache, and worked at a center for Native Americans in the Los Angeles area.
Also, if I remember correctly, you're concerned about the Catholic Church mistreating Native Americans, which may very well be true in some cases.
However, I'd ask you to consider the life of a Philadelphia heiress -- St. Katharine Drexel (1858-1955) -- who gave all of her fortune, and devoted most of her life, to the care of Native Americans and African Americans. My wife and I were living in Farmington, New Mexico, when she was canonized in 2000.
It's an incredible story, which includes taking on the KKK in Beaumont, Texas, and winning the day with some apparent divine intervention in the form of a precision tornado strike.
A biography calls her life a "riches-to-rags story."
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I bring this up in a spirit of friendship after the surprising comparison you made in your first paragraph. Again, you may have good reasons for anger at the Catholic Church, but I hope you also weigh the example of people like St. Katharine Drexel.

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Bure9620's picture

September 29, 2022 at 11:05 am

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 29, 2022 at 09:00 am

Pat O'Donnell -
He has been a great pick up. His punting has been very good and consistent. His holding has been outstanding. I have been giving him props for this for a while, and he deserves every bit of it.

Romeo Doubs -
Doubs is a guy that needs to play. Especially early. He needs to see everything he can, so later in the season he has seen everything. We have just begun to see some of his abilities as a WR. I do expect him to start becoming a bigger vertical threat. Though he has shown the ability to turn a 2 yard pass into a 20 yard gain.

NFC North -
Bears - They are 2-1 which looks like false hope for them. They just are not good.

Lions - They are a team that is starting to figure things out. They barely lost to the Eagles, they should have beat the Vikings. They are a team that will fight and fight. Don't look past these guys. It feels like something is brewing in Detroit. They are a team to keep an eye on.

Vikings - They are a tough team. They beat us but I feel like we beat ourselves more then they beat us. And it was week 1 in which we always suck. I'm not to worried about them honestly.

Final Look -
It feels like the Packers should be able to handle this game. But Belichek is a great coach and will have some tricks up his sleeve. Hopefully the Packers can take care of business and maybe even go all gas and no brakes. I'd love to see a game like that.

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wildbill's picture

September 29, 2022 at 12:22 pm

Funny how playing man against Jefferson has shut him down for the last two games. Hope we are taking notes

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

September 29, 2022 at 09:01 am

"The defense got diced up by Justin Jefferson and the Vikings’ passing game in week one"

Jaire mentioned before that game: "The best player will cover Justin Jefferson". However, Joe Barry decided that Jaire knew nothing. So he did the opposite.... in fact he went so far as to decide that Justin Jefferson should not be covered. In the Vikings' other games, the Defensive coordinators make sure that Justin Jefferson was covered, and he became a non-issue.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2022 at 10:14 am

Joe Barry chose scheme over personnel and the Packers paid for it.

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HawkPacker's picture

September 29, 2022 at 04:49 pm

And he should know his personnel. Sad to say but coaching lost that game for us.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2022 at 06:23 pm

That game was a cluster. Unprepared and Ill thought out. At least the defensive showings and coaching have improved.

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NitschkeFromTheGrave's picture

September 29, 2022 at 09:37 am

Well..... The defensive line may have "arrived". Not so sure about linebacking or secondary. They're a little late to the party.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

September 29, 2022 at 10:08 am

The defense has played well the past two weeks against two pitiful offenses. Chicago's may be the worst in football and Tampa Bay really only had one receiver, Gage, and he went off for ten catches. Not ready yet to say the defense is great because in the one tough game it was overrun and couldn't stop either Cook or Jefferson. Using the first game excuse is just that, an excuse.

Barry is still a worry. With an entire pre-season to come up with a game plan for the Vikings, his best idea was I'm not going to let anyone near Jefferson, maybe he'll tire himself out. Not covering Jefferson and playing prevent defense in the 4th quarter against Brady are calculations that make it feel like Brady just isn't smart enough to know how to deal with a real offense. This week everyone will likely get even more excited about our top ten D, but for the third week in a row, we're playing against a nothing offense.

Our D and O are in development, but the bigger story is our coaching has shown it needs to develop as well. So far this season both Barry and LaFleur have made either poor adjustments or no adjustments. Doubs raked for 21/2 quarters, showed he can get open and catch anything Rodgers throws at him, 8 for 8 (actually 9 for 9 with one pass negated by phony Lazard penalty) then in the last quarter and a half, when all we needed were a few first downs, he never saw a pass directed at him. LaFleur decided that Doubs had done enough. Why tire out the rookie?

This team has a lot of talent. What we should all be looking for are fewer screwups by the coaching staff and an attacking team on both sides of the ball, for four full quarters. That's what you'll need against Philadelphia, Buffalo, KC, Baltimore... teams with great QBs AND great receivers. Our coaching staff for three years has shown that in big games it folds. It has to get better.

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dobber's picture

September 29, 2022 at 10:19 am

"The secondary took its lumps in the first week, but has rebounded since. Eric Stokes completely shut down his side of the field on Sunday. Rasul Douglas played well, especially once put to the outside to fill in for the injured Jaire Alexander. "

This tells you a lot about personnel usage. Douglas is game in the slot, but he lacks some of the tools needed to stay with smaller and shiftier WR. The Bears couldn't expose him because--even though they have guys who profile that way--they don't trust Fields enough to try to expose him. That experiment needs to draw to a close, and it might be that in the nickel, Jaire needs to be that slot guy. Either that, or a shift to a Rams-style "Jaire shadows the opponent's #1 and the secondary plays zone behind him" scheme against higher-end WR might be in the offing.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2022 at 06:37 pm

Cant agree with you at all on that one at all. Douglas was actually reasonable against Jefferson when he was in his zone and has been a very capable tackler. The failings in handing off assignments In the zone game shouldn’t obscure the fact that Douglas has been good in the slot.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

September 29, 2022 at 10:21 am

Four pack?
Four pack???
FOUR PACK???????

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Igotthisround's picture

September 29, 2022 at 07:46 pm

Might hafta get 2 then

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PatrickGB's picture

September 29, 2022 at 12:20 pm

“ Something interesting: after week one, teams haven’t really had a whole lot of difficulty holding Justin Jefferson in check. What are they doing that the Packers weren’t? Well, putting their best defender on him probably has something to do with it.”

Maybe a bit more “Man” coverage the next time we play them?

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 12:27 pm

It's a longshot to expect one rookie wide receiver to come through as a big contributor in his first year, and outlandish to expect two or three.
Maybe Doubs can be an exception to the rule as a standout rookie, but it would really be something amazing if Watson or Toure joined him.
Cobb was a pleasant surprise to me against the Bucs with his burst up the field after two receptions, but I'm wary of counting on him and Watkins being consistent threats during an entire season.
With this being a season to go for a Super Bowl, I still don't get not signing MVS as the only experienced veteran aside from Lazard who is still in his prime.
Moving on, though, let's see if Toure or Winfree are up to the challenge of getting in the rotation on a regular basis, and if Watson can be effective in selective situations.
As of now, the situation at wide receiver seems rather iffy, and it's going to be an adventure over the next three months to see if anyone other than Lazard steps up into a major role in time for the playoffs.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

September 29, 2022 at 01:29 pm

Watson should make a major difference. He is potentially much better than MVS. Once he acclimates, he and Doubs will both have to be accounted for by opposing defenses. Rodgers has been throwing short passes more than he's ever done in his career. I think he wants to air it out and will once Watson joins the rotation. Kid just has to get healthy.

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 03:18 pm

I hope Watson makes a major difference, and Toure, too.
All three of our rookies are exciting prospects, it's just that generally speaking rookie wide receivers don't make much of an impact in the NFL.
Let's root for the Packers to beat the odds with one or more of these guys coming through so early in their careers.
I'm also pulling for Winfree, as well as the older guys Watkins and Cobb

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2022 at 06:31 pm

He could air it out to Doubs. Heck if they’d play Toure him too. We don’t have to wait or rely on Watson to run a go route. In fact we could have something radical like 2 deep routes in a half and not necessarily from the same player. The excuse that Watson was out is BS.

We have 2 receivers with significant deep route experience in college. One was inactive, the other averaged a target depth of 3 yards. Watson’s longest catch is 24 yards and that was from Love. Rodgers has thrown deep once to a rookie this year. That’s on LaFleur, because they haven’t even run them just to make the D think about the fact that they could get behind them.

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TXCHEESE's picture

September 29, 2022 at 02:56 pm

Let's face it, if BG had signed MVS to the dollars he got from KC, we all would have wondered if he had lost his mind. MVS was a legitimate deep threat, but not $10MM a year legitimate.

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Swisch's picture

September 29, 2022 at 03:26 pm

To me, MVS is a bargain at $10 million per season.
He's entering his prime at that salary, and I think will flourish; whereas Davante Adams is entering his decline, and costs about three times more.
There's no guarantee about MVS excelling in the future, or Lazard for that matter, but I think it's good to make a decision about players while they're still affordable.
To me, both MVS and Lazard are keepers.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

September 29, 2022 at 03:18 pm

You sign MVS for 10M and you lose either Douglas or Campbell or both. They are both much more valuable than a one-trick pony. If you notice, MVS is off to a pretty slow start for the Chiefs; he’s not been productive for them.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 29, 2022 at 05:18 pm

MVS has a long catch of 24 yards. I think the bloom came off the rose a bit when he had some drops in training camp. But he is not a $10 million a year man. He only got a $6 million signing bonus and $8.56 guaranteed. It is basically a one year prove it deal that they can get out of pretty easily next year if they want.

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jont's picture

September 29, 2022 at 03:52 pm

I watched to Pats' defense against the Ravens and saw a lot of underneath routes open all day. I expect Tonyan to get some work and a few balls to go to Deguara and Davis as well. With AJ and Aaron J catching a few as well, the safeties will creep up, maybe play a littel single high, and then over the top it gooes to Romeo or Lazard. I think GB will own the time of possession and win by 13-17 points.

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Oppy's picture

September 29, 2022 at 05:43 pm

I will always remember how an article about the Packers Defense finally arriving on CHTV somehow got twisted and turned into a shit show of fucking political idiocy.

Congratulations, I guess.

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Coldworld's picture

September 29, 2022 at 06:44 pm

“There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees.
The maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.”

Neil Peart

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Oppy's picture

September 30, 2022 at 04:09 pm

"My anaconda don't want none,
unless you got buns, hun."

Sir Mix-a-Lot

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Starrbrite's picture

September 29, 2022 at 08:00 pm

Although I have complained longer and louder than anyone, I early on predicted good things for this year’s special teams —especially our punter. He’s fixed some field positions and is an excellent FG holder.
As for Farve, and it’s easy to say now (but I said it in his prime), he was/is a careless hillbilly —accountable to no one.
I was an instructor for many years at the federal law enforcement training center and I met many former law enforcement officials from Farve’s Mississippi territory. To a person, not one of them had anything good to say about him—imo, that speaks volumes about his character/identity
…and now this pathetic behavior—-in addition to other pathetic behavior.
As others have mentioned, I’m all for allowing the Justice system to take its course, but based on the evidence posed to the public, it’s virtually impossible not to see his behavior for what it is —despicable —criminal.

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