Ha Ha Clinton-Dix traded to Washington

The veteran safety is on the move prior to becoming a free agent this spring. 

Shortly after sending Ty Montgomery to Baltimore, Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst sends Ha Ha Clinton-Dix to Washington. 

The Packers were also apparently interested in Jaguars pass rusher Dante Fowler prior to his being traded to the Rams:

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Cubbygold's picture

October 30, 2018 at 02:56 pm

Can't say I love or hate it until we know what Gute got in return. But this certainly isn't a win-now move, so I'm hoping there's a big acquisition before 3... like the nelson/graham announcement, except I'd prefer a player that actually contributes

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Cubbygold's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:06 pm

A 4th rounder seems like a poor return. I'm all for trading away guys that are going to walk in FA in the right situations, but this doesn't seem like the type of return that justifies exposing the defense to this kind of risk. Brice has been terrible and the guys filling in are going to be out of their natural position.

Feels like a move from a GM that doesn't believe the team is a competitor this year.

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Point-Packer's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:34 pm

a 4th rounder for Haha is about right. He's not a good free safety.

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Dzehren's picture

October 30, 2018 at 10:43 pm

GB had worst secondary last 2 years. Everyone is FINALLY gone per my suggestion last year. Jaire Alexander looks like Dion Sanders JR & Jackson, King Tramon & company are playing well. Secondary is a strength with or without HAHA. He is no Nick Collins, Leroy Butler Irv Comp or Willie Wood. Don’t sleep on Breeland- Tony Brown from Alabama, Josh Jones & Raven Greene - who showed promise in camp.

Did I mention Jaire Alexander?

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jh9's picture

October 31, 2018 at 04:11 am

I agree. A 4th round pick for Dix - a 1st rounder? Why trade him? Let him walk after this year and at least we get his production until then. What are the odds we will get much if any production out of a 4th round pick?

The Safety position has been weak since we let Morgan Burnett go. Now, it has become even weaker. IMO this is a bad trade.

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JHitTheB's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:26 pm

Point/baru - he's ranked #4 by PFF lmao. Yeah "he's not a good safety." You guys should actually watch football once in a while and not base your opinions of a player's skills on comments they make to reporters.

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Spud Rapids's picture

October 31, 2018 at 10:12 am

PFF is garbage... go watch Andy Herman's article on this site about Dix's lack of effort... he was playing not to get hurt and wasn't hustling to the ball. There are a bunch of egregious plays where players got more yards and first downs because of his lack of hustle.

I'd rather have a player out there making mistakes by being aggressive then playing for himself and taking plays off.

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GBPDAN1's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:41 pm

Does this help us win the Patriots game this Sunday? And games beyond? I hope someone not named Jones learns that position soon

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barutanseijin's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:45 pm

Did Ha-Ha help? Once in a while, when he felt like it and wasn’t getting stiff armed.

He won’t be missed.

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tm_inter's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:41 pm

Ha Ha won't be missed. His heart has not been with the Packers for some time. It's better to have someone else who plays his heart out for the team.

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NitschkeFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 02:57 pm

Wow, Gute is not TT that's for sure. I think on TV I saw that TT made one in season trade in the past 7 years.

Gute in his first season has already made 2?

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 10:32 pm

How soon you forget Nitschke. Gute traded Randall for Kizer and traded Hindley for a pick. This is at least his 4th trade in his 1st year. Good for Gute. So far Alexander and 2 of the 3 rookie WRs are all looking like studs. The more picks Gute can shed that were TT's and replace them with his own the better.

Edit: Lenzy Pikins trade was the one I forgot.

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NitschkeFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:37 pm

Good points Jonathan, but I guess I meant during the season, i.e. weeks 1 thru 8 before the trade deadline.

But yes I too am liking Gute and his willingness to make moves.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 02:58 pm

This one does surprise me a little bit.

I didn't think they would make the trade. But they did.

I guess Josh Jones will get playing time now? Or do they move Williams or someone else to safety?

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dobber's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:00 pm

Bashaud Breeland to FS?

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:02 pm

Breeland, Williams, Jackson?

I'm not sure?

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Rak47's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:28 pm

I'm thinking Jackson might make a pro bowl caliber safety with his ball skills and ability to read QB's. If he can tackle and cover open ground he might be the man to put at FS. Breeland has proven he can play CB so maybe keep him there? At 6'0 200lbs Jackson has the size to play FS. Can you imagine him hawking center field like an Earl Thomas or Ed Reed? He has the potential.

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Ferrari Driver's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:36 pm

I like his ball skills too, but I wish he had a little more on the top to better cover the field.

However, if he is assignment sure and has a knack for anticipation, that will go a long way to make up for the lack of elite speed.

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cpheph1's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:28 pm

I hope it's one of those three. I'm bummed and surprised they traded HHCD.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:17 pm

I’m neither.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 31, 2018 at 04:10 am

Or Jackson.

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L's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:32 pm

They have candidates to potentially fill his spot.

Josh Jackson, Jermaine Whitehead, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, or perhaps Tramon Williams.

I don't suspect they'd try Kevin King, Bashaud Breeland, or Tony Brown in a safety position.

My initial thought is that they may move Josh Jones into the hybrid ILB role that Whitehead has played while moving Whitehead into HHCD's starting role, but we'll have to wait and see what they announce or end up showing during the Patriots game.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:37 pm

Yeah I agree.

I could see Williams to a safety role.
He has lost a step as a CB. While still good he can't keep up with the young fast WR's. Moving him to S and having Breeland playing CB could be an upgrade really.

I'm really curious to what they will do.
With the game that Josh Jones played on Special Teams perhaps they feel really good about him and want him to play on defense more?

Maybe this is a simple fact they think the future is Jones and Clinton-Dix was in the way?

My initial thought is they will go with a rotation of players. Certain schemes/packages they will use Jones, others they will bring in Breeland and move Williams to S?

I bet we won't find out until the start of the game.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:42 pm

I agree RC. I didn't think they would trade Dix because I thought to do so would be saying they are playing for next year. Maybe the Ty fumble and the loss could have been the last straw and Gute said F it. We'll never know if Dix would still be here today if they won. Either way I was wrong on this trade and the author who wrote about the possible trade last week ( can't remember who it was) was right.

Maybe it is Josh Jones, Breeland, Whitehead, or Tramon who takes over. I love the way this defense is starting to gel. I do get the feeling they know exactly what they are doing. This isn't some hope and change here.

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flackcatcher's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:14 pm

I didn't think they would trade Dix either. Or trade Ty, shows what I know(HA). Still IAMGUTE is operating from the Ron Wolf-Ted Thompson play book. Sign veteran talent for value and stock up on draft choices. Teams can never have enough, more increases the odds on hitting. In both cases making lemonade out of lemons.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:27 pm

Absolutely flackcatcher. To me the quickness of getting rid of Monty after his horrible response to the media last night just sealed my new found respect for Gute. That's what a true leader does. No hesitation. I wasn't sold on Gute until today. The Patriots are like that and now we have someone on GB that does it. As you said, lots of lemonade will be produced from this down the road.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:20 pm

I was sold on Gute yesterday, so I guess I’m just a step ahead of you.
;)
La Crosse alums all the way, baby!

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Mojo's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:27 pm

If Josh Jones doesn't get PT now it will send a clear message as to how they feel about his play.

As far as Ha Ha, someone awhile ago posted about how he couldn't recall in the roughly 41/2 years of play ever seeing him break-up passes or lay hard-licks on a receiver. I'm sure he has, but it seems few and far between.

He had a nice pick this season against Washington but almost every other one has been on overthrows or crap passes. It's not like he's swooping in front of receivers or making leaping stabs at contested balls either.

I know the idiom deeper than the deepest as it applies to safeties, but I don't know how many times I observed him back peddling out of the picture prior to the snap, not to be seen again until jogging to the pile.

And as much grief as Brice received for not covering deep passes, where was the criticism for HHCD? Isn't he supposed to contest and break-up deep passes too?

To the bad angles, so-so tackling, avoiding contact, not making plays on passes and the unique ability to go under camouflage in front of 70,000 people and a TV audience, I say meh to Ha Ha. We can do better.

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Grandfathered's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:03 pm

HHCD has played uninspired. I'm guessing Raven Greene plays more.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:23 pm

Who you calling an idiom?

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Amanofthenorth's picture

October 30, 2018 at 10:02 pm

It`s been over a year since I have commented. I break my silence to say, MOJO, this is so true. He played extremely conservatively and disappeared or arrived late on the scene more times than ...i guess the coaches could stomach.

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HankScorpio's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:00 pm

Just move the entire Safety position to the bench. Go with a nickel D of Williams, King, Breland, Alexander and Jackson. No more real concerns about the offense manipulating a Safety into coverage mismatch

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zoellner25's picture

October 30, 2018 at 02:59 pm

HHCD is the most overrated safety in the league. I think he wanted out and played like it

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JerseyAl's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:01 pm

accurate on all counts

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zoellner25's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:07 pm

Thanks Al

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CAG123's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:05 pm

Exactly you and everyone else thought he wanted out despite him never saying anything remotely close to that. The statement he made was based on him feeling like the team wasn’t going to resign him and they proved that by trading him.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:09 pm

I got in trouble around here for saying BG should trade him if he can get a 3rd. I guess he thought less of him than I.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:24 pm

Well, you’re out of trouble now.

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Craig Brauckmiller's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:22 pm

It's now up to Washington to deal with him. Let them either pony up the $$$ or let him walk. For all we know, he could be coming back next season as a FA. :)

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:01 pm

4th rounder for Ha Ha...was hoping for a 3rd, but addition by subtraction today.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:26 pm

really? a 3rd and 5th in 2020for Fowler?
Mmmhhh

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CAG123's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:01 pm

So we trade away our best safety for a pick? And we didn’t get better and all it took to get Fowler was a measly 3rd rounder this draft and a 5th rounder in 2020?!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:24 pm

Additional by subtraction. I like it. Dont kniw why, but I like it.

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NickPerry's picture

October 31, 2018 at 05:10 am

He's a bit of a problem from what I've heard and he'd more than likely walk after this season.... Guteukunst got what he could and probably the same thing (maybe better) than the comp pick they'd get. PLUS he'll get this pick no matter what, Comp pick even out these days in GB since Gute actually is active in FA.

IMO this trade was made the moment HHCD opened his mouth about his future with the Packers earlier in the year. Excellent work by Gute IMO.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:03 pm

Whew!!!...Closed the door on a possible Perry repeat debacle. That alone helps the teams future.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:08 pm

It's rare that I agree with you... but you nailed it.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:10 pm

Yep, I like the message BG sends. You are no longer automagically one of "Our Guys".

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Since'61's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:05 pm

Gute is dumping TTs follies as fast as he can. I hope he gets something decent in return and continues to build his team.

The way Gute is going I'm not expecting our FAs to be resigned at the end of this season. Maybe Perry (who?) gets chucked as well and we take the cap hit. Go Gute Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Cubbygold's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:09 pm

Yeah, he's cleaning house for sure, and he's justified in doing it. Just hard to watch another wasted year for 12

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zoellner25's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:10 pm

Yep, this is a whole new approach by Gutey. I'm liking it

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:08 pm

Breeland is a stretch at safety.
If he was serviceable he would be playing. The Redskins seem to be loaded for Bears. This season is over. Tick tock McCarthy and Murphy.. 7- 8 - 1 = mediocre again.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:21 pm

What are you basing Breeland not being serviceable on? He was a good CB for the Redskins and we've seen cornerbacks transition to safety before. Breeland just joined the Packers and has to learn Pettine's defense. Tramon Williams has played safety for Pettine before. How is the season over the Packers just went toe to toe with the Rams on their turf. Gute is shedding TT's draft picks and cashed in for HaHa in his prime good for him.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:23 pm

LA Rams got Fowler, so no GUTEY for you!

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:25 pm

I've seen more than you obviously.
Put lipstick on a pig but still a pig.
Cheerleader...

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:41 pm

Don't be jealous of my pompoms cowgirl

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:31 pm

Or the way your milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:10 pm

This is GREAT news! Tramon, Breeland, J Jackson at FS? All are IMO going to play better than HHCD did the last 18 games. Someone said "he played like he wanted out." Nailed it. Glad he's gone.

Now... we still need a pass rusher. Turn that 4th into Fowler, Gutey!!!

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Bearmeat's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:12 pm

DAMN!

Although... that's a steep price for an 8 game rental. No way the Rams can re-sign him. They're already in cap hell.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/10/jaguars-trade-de-dante-fowler-...

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:15 pm

A steep price for a rental...maybe....but not if he helps get that SB.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:16 pm

True.

But as we just showed, they're beatable. Tough. But beatable. Even with Fowler.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:24 pm

Every team is beatable...it's the when you beat them that counts and GB needed that one and need the next one even more. The second chance may not come to be because of the loss last week and the likely pending one to come.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:27 pm

If they play the way they did last week on SNF, sans the special teams gaffes, I very much think they can win.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:35 pm

There's the crux...sans the gaffes...period.

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Bearmeat's picture

October 31, 2018 at 07:05 am

I mean, you're not wrong...

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Craig Brauckmiller's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:29 pm

Ahh...the Florida Marlins approach to football. That worked out well for them in 1998, didn't it!

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NitschkeFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:42 pm

I must admit this is one of the rare days that you (Taryn) seem to post some sensible stuff. Rams and Saints seem to be "all in" this year. And why not they both have a realistic shot.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:47 pm

Thanks for the kind compliment but it really isn't about me not being sensible in my comments/views prior to these,, but more my presentation that angers most. : )

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Rak47's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:37 pm

Simple fact; When you say things that are sensible, sensible people agree with you. But when all you have is negative comments from a narrow minded perspective people call you out, it's as simple as that.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:05 pm

Most of my comments only ring negative to those who refuse to accept what is seen and believe all they read from a stat sheet. I state my thoughts about players very early and have been correct a lot with few wrongs which I acknowledge and move on unlike many who defend poor play and lack of talent by excuse after excuse for years, and these are the people who deem what is sensible.

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packerbackerjim's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:15 pm

The 4th Round pick is actually higher than the comp pick had Gute offered contract/arbitration. It would not have netted a 3rd, rare as the proverbial hen’s teeth.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:21 pm

If they would have got any comp pick at all after acquisitions are accounted for. It not guaranteed.

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HankScorpio's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:10 pm

And that possible comp pick is awarded for 2020, not 2019.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:16 pm

4th round pick for 7th n 2020
and
1st round pick for a 4th round pick.

Blockbuster Deals.

Well that's it i believe. ...

Trade deadline over at 4pm

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:24 pm

You're being very shortsighted Doug. We got 4.5 years out of HaHa and 3.5 out of Monty. Both on rookie contracts. We got a 4th and a 7th for 2 players who the Packers would have let walk. I call that a win. You also have Gute using the 4th and 7th round picks not TT.

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I am Gute's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:43 pm

Correct

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:27 pm

3rd round for 7th...

yeah, if you look at it on paper it doesn't look great.

That being said, they got something out of Montgomery who they were going to release. And they got probably what they would have gotten for compensation for Clinton-Dix only a year sooner.

Pretty good actually.

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:39 pm

That's a huge problem for many fans...they can't stop looking at the paper. If they would only watch more tape from an unbiased view, then look at the stat paper, they'll see the numbers don't match the actual play. Lots of stats awarded to the wrong player and wrong reasons.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:21 pm

i know but still sucks . It is what it is.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:37 pm

It always is what it is. It has to be. If it isn’t what it is, then it’s not, which, to be accurate, is the very definition of it being itself, not something else.

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HankScorpio's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:16 pm

You can say that again!

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:16 pm

You are what your record says you are. 3-4-1 = mediocrity... Top to bottom. Panic from the complacent BODs. Build more infrastructure while the team is mired in the cellar.
1972- 1992 all over again.

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Altered Idol's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:17 pm

Whether you think this is good value or not, I'm encouraged about the ruthlessness of Gute, something this franchise has needed for some time. Players who have expressed discontent or questioned their future are being moved on for whatever we can get for them. The safety market is pretty depressed right now so I dont think this is a bad deal personally.

I wasnt as down on HHCD as alot of fans seemed to be but I understand that this is a draft and develop team and the more draft capital we have, the better. That 4th could be packaged for to move up. This roster needs upheaval and that starts with the draft. The current rookie group has me hopeful about Gute's drafting. I have faith and I'm impressed that he's taking bold decisions for what he sees as the good of the franchise.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:22 pm

Well L.A Rams just got Pass Rusher Donte Fowler!!!

I am bewildered at the Packers. I don't even know what were doing. I feel we are in a world wind.

I hope in the right direction...so confused. .

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:43 pm

I try to never whine when I find myself in a whirlwind, much less a world wind. Whirled around in a wind round the world as I wind my watch while whirling whimsically.

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ILPackerBacker's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:22 pm

It is almost as if packer fans are blind, has anyone watched Brice play S, or 35 either?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:27 pm

I have. Sadly I've watch HaHa play (and stand there staring) as well.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 31, 2018 at 05:12 pm

I’d offer that from the comfort of my mancave on any given Sunday I’m ALMOST as close to the action as Mr. Dix was.

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4thand1's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:23 pm

So who's left from the TT era? This is going to Gute's team moving forward. Was hoping to pick up an edge rusher, looks like it's coming in the draft. 4: 23 deadline is past.

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:29 pm

They still have Perry, Matthews, Fackrell and Gilbert. Not even scary on Halloween...

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:30 pm

TT era players list:

Aaron Rodgers
Randall Cobb & Davante Adams
Fackrell
CM3
Reggie Gilbert
Nick Perry
Josh Jones
Kevin King
Our entire OL Taylor, Bahktiari, Bulaga, Linsley, McCray
Bell is Gute's "big addition" and he sucks
Our entire DL Clark, Daniels, Lowry, Adam's
Wilkerson was Gute's "big addition" and he's on IR
Aaron Jones & William's
Brice
You could claim Tramon Williams either way
Blake Martinez

Still quite a bit of TT's players on this team but I expect CM3 and Cobb to be gone after 2018.

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:23 pm

At least Dix is closer to his goal of making policies in DC...Good riddance and goodbye.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:25 pm

Lot's of free agent safety's on the market for 2019.

1. Landon Collins, New York Giants
2. Earl Thomas, Seattle Seahawks
3. Lamarcus Joyner, Los Angeles Rams
4. Tyrann Mathieu, Houston Texans
5. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Washington Redskins
6. Jimmy Ward, SF 49ers

also
Adrian Amos, Ricardo Allen and Quandre Diggs.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 31, 2018 at 01:19 am

+ Tre Boston, Eric Reid, Vacarro.

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4thand1's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:24 pm

Looks like nobody bought Ty's excuse.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:28 pm

McCarthy is saving face.

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October 30, 2018 at 03:30 pm

How does he save face by trading Ty? I think it makes Ty look pretty guilty...

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:30 pm

Did MM pull his head out of his ass to save face?

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:32 pm

Can't tell by looking at him cheesy lol. It does explain the red cheeks.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:35 pm

McCarthy NEVER said I made absolutely sure that my special teams coach told Montgomery to down the ball.

Every thing is just a world wind mess by MM and he didn't know how to get out of it cleanly.

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marpag1's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:08 pm

Do you really think MM is going to publicly rip a player that they are actively trying to trade?? Think.

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4thand1's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:44 pm

marpag1, why do you always have to make sense?

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The TKstinator's picture

October 31, 2018 at 05:14 pm

Again with the “world wind”?
Need I taunt you again with my amazing alliteration abilities?

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Hawg Hanner's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:30 pm

A 4th rounder for Ha Ha is a great result.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:21 pm

They got a worthlesw 7th rd pick on 2020.
MM has no balls.

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ditt76's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:31 pm

Absolutely horrible. Sellers at the trade deadline? This is the god damn packers, we aren’t sellers. Haha is better than any safety on the roster. First jordy now haha, guess my kids should just buy a ar12 Jersey. Why did we trade haha daddy? Because we suck and are more worried about next year because we know this isn’t the year. Lame! FU. MM, GUTE and the bunch, we are garbage. Let’s start we a new coach.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:36 pm

Ha-Ha was a 1st Rounder

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NitschkeFan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:48 pm

And the Pack got 4.5 years of play from him. That's longer than the average NFL career.

Do we wish we got more from that 1st round, of course. But I remember that draft and guys who were thought to be high on the Packer's wish list were getting picked ahead of Ha Ha. So when their turn came up he was their highest rated guy.

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L's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:39 pm

Selling can lead to addition by subtraction sometimes. Patience. Let's see how this plays out before jumping to conclusions.

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:48 pm

Um,....that’s not what we do here.
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Skip greenBayless's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:55 pm

ditt76, I gave you a thumbs up for the swearing. It was kind of refreshing. Sometimes swearing is needed to emphasis one's passion. I do it too many times. Never goes good most of the time but I feel your pain.

BC

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:31 pm

The Rams reportedly outbid the New York Jets and Green Bay Packers for Fowler's services just 30 minutes before Tuesday's trade deadline, Rapoport added. The Jaguars were initially asking for at least a second-round pick and change for their former high selection.

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Bure9620's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:33 pm

Agree with the move. This is 2nd best case scenario.
Best case have been to get a player for him now to fill a holem Otherwise, HHCD leaving in FA is a 5th round comp pick. Interesting to see the safety rotation as Pettine likes 3 safety looks. Jones will likely get an opportunity.

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TXCHEESE's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:36 pm

Given how soft the safety market was this year, they probably weren't going to get much of a comp pick, if any depending on what they do in FA in the offseason. A fourth rounder is as good as you could hope for. Lots of good young talent in the DB room still there. He has some veteran experience, but his performance has been up and down this year. Good for Gute, clearing out a couple of possible distractions in HaHa and Monty.

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sheppercheeser's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:36 pm

Seems like ever since HHCD hurt his shoulder a few years ago, he's lost his aggressiveness, so this doesn't bother me too much. Would've liked a higher draft pick, but maybe there wasn't much interest elsewhere.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:37 pm

You insisted and you got!

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Point-Packer's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:39 pm

Remember when Corey Behnke wanted to get a HHCD jersey?

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Tarynfor12's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:42 pm

I make it a point to not remember anything he says...no value in it.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:24 pm

Who the hell is Corey Benke?

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:49 pm

He still can.
At a greatly discounted rate.

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Point-Packer's picture

October 31, 2018 at 05:04 pm

100% discount

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Lphill's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:40 pm

Tramon to safety like he did in Cleveland.

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Guam's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:41 pm

Best day as a Packer fan in a while. Gute got as much as he could for HHCD and Montgomery (surprised he got anything for Montgomery) and sent a much needed message to the rest of the team. Gute wants disciplined players who want to be Packers and will remove those who don't fit the mold. If you are old enough, that message sounds awfully familiar - think Vince Lombardi.....

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Rossonero's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:43 pm

I'm not thrilled we spent a 1st rd pick and got a 4th rounder in return, but I doubt we would've gotten the same comp. pick had we let him go. We can't have a player like Clinton-Dix bitching in the locker room and playing erratically like he did.

The safety market last year was pretty soft and I'm not sure it'll be that great in 2019 free agency.

Let's see Clinton-Dix for what he was: a talented, but inconsistent player who wasn't shy about complaining, even prior to this year. His tackling was poor and he was a bad influence on our young guys.

It's basically a 9 game rental for the Redskins. If he tanks, then the Redskins just gave up a 4th rounder for nothing. How funny would it be if we wound up playing the Skins in a wildcard game?

So much for draft and develop....more like draft and let go:

2011: Derrek Sherrod
2012: Nick Perry
2013: Datone Jones
2014: Haha Clinton-Dix
2015: Damarious Randall
2016: Kenny Clark

Good grief! You'd think this was a list from the Browns or something.

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Jonathan Spader's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:47 pm

If that was a list from the Browns there'd be a lot more QBs on it. At least we got something for HaHa and Ramdall and Clark is a stud.

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Rossonero's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:43 pm

Yes, more QBs. We got a back-up QB for Randall who will never play. Should've gotten a pick for him. Clark is a stud, but that's a lot of busts no matter how you slice it.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:18 pm

more bust than Dolly Parton...

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Johnblood27's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:20 pm

getting a back up QB enabled us to jettison project Hundley... Thank GOD!

Thats worth it even if Kizer never completes a single pass.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

October 31, 2018 at 12:50 am

Great point. It also enabled Gute to keep the best qb of the three in Tim Boyle. Boyle will be the long term qb once Rodgers retires. Just watch. One of the most talented qb's we had here since Aaron Rodgers.

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EdsLaces's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:48 pm

This is insane... we just lost the only halfway decent safety on our team. So now we can play even worse than usual ...caannntttt waaaiiiiitttt!

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:48 pm

Yes, we all love moral victories. smh

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:52 pm

Can we start draft talk now?
I've spent a small fortune on the Sunday ticket again. More than the SB in Dallas...

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cheesycowboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:53 pm

Or the Thanksgiving in 2014...

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Tundraboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 03:53 pm

Saves us a lot of drama. Drama over an ok player.

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Oppy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:04 pm

The fun twist would be if we found out it was HaHa that leaked his thoughts about Ty Montgomery to the press on Sunday.

Anyways, not sure I like the move. I'm not a huge HaHa fan but if we've got better tools at FS I'd like to think we would have been using them. HaHa hasn't been great this year but overall, he hasn't been a liability, either.

I'm hoping we see Tramon Williams out there. I have some faith in him. I can not say the same about Josh Jones at this time, based on his coverage from last season and the fact he's having such a hard time finding the field- especially in light of how iffy our SS play has been in 2018.

Hope this doesn't weaken the team in 2018. It's the right move for the future, though. Did not want to see HaHa resigned.

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Johnblood27's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:22 pm

"I'm not a huge HaHa fan but if we've got better tools at FS I'd like to think we would have been using them. "

WE have an inexhaustible supply of TOOLS on the coaching staff as well...

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Point-Packer's picture

October 31, 2018 at 05:20 pm

Including Ron Zook, but not limited to Mike McCarthy.

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OnWisconsinGoPack's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:11 pm

I think if our record was a little better, hell if we would have won on Sunday, Ha Ha would still be a Packer. With that said, with his less than stellar play and our CBs stepping up, I think we can cover the safety group with the bunch we got.

My bigger worry is the piss poor play calling by McCarthy and not being able to adjust on the damn crossing routes over the middle. That's not a lack of athleticism by our LBs or Safety, that's called no one is there or within 15 yds of them.

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Barazinho's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:22 pm

The edge group went from bad to fair-to-middling against the Rams. Fackrell actually beat a pro-bowl tackle with a speed rush! Clay moved around, and had a decent game. I even heard Reggie Gilbert's name mentioned. I wonder who else they were looking at besides Fowler - a few other names were thrown around. In contrast, the safety group did not improve. I think it will be Tramon and Whitehead starting, with Jones at dime, and Greene/Jackson/Breeland as potential rotation guys. They have to be better than Dix/Brice.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:03 pm

Fackrell appears to be a guy that has made that jump with the added playing time. Taryn initially was the only person right about him but she was a year off. For some reason he's starting to make an impact in Pettine's new system. He's making impact plays in almost every game now. That's good because the other three have been disappointments.

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:27 pm

You know if our talent scouts etc were better and advisors when we draft we wouldn't have this mess going on right now. I suppose Gute is trying to clean up.

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dobber's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:14 pm

Who do you think was the head of college scouting the last couple years under TT?

I'll give you a hint: he's the GM now.

TT is responsible for TTs choices. Even if BG was the one propping up players at draft time, he's at least got the sense to cut bait on ones that aren't working out.

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fthisJack's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:30 pm

na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye....don't let the door hit u in the Dix on the way out!

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Doug Niemczynski's picture

October 30, 2018 at 04:31 pm

What a crazy week this has been.
Well, who is our 3rd RB?

What about Kumerow and T. Davis? Do wre activate one of them?

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The TKstinator's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:55 pm

I think Eddie Lacy is available.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:53 pm

Never a Ha Ha fan so good riddance. I wouldn't have given up a 3rd for Fowler for an 8 game rental so that was good too. But there were a lot of good players on the market at safety and edge that likely would have been cheaper than Fowler. I'm hoping Gute doesn't over value draft picks the way TT did. If a fourth or fifth could have gotten Landon Collins or a decent edge I would have jumped at it. We're still in the hunt for the NFC north. Ridding ourselves of Ha Ha and Ty is fine. But why no additions at obvious positions of need?

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Bert's picture

October 30, 2018 at 05:58 pm

I know Dix wasn't great but he was probably the best of a weak group safeties. While I don't blame Gute for trying to get something for Dix I also think we are probably weaker at safety than we were yesterday. My guess is that Gute just doesn't see this team as being a legit contender and he may as well look to 2019. I think he may be correct.

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JHitTheB's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:22 pm

A 4th rounder for the #4 ranked safety?...lolololololol duh-duhduh-duh-dumb. Just dumb.

So now there is a void at a vital position in the secondary AND the need for a pass rusher still isn't addressed. This just was not a smart move at all. I'm all for shipping out Monty after his blatant FU...but to get nothing in return other than hope in the 4th round for a guy who was playing at a high level is too much of a gamble. Not to mention GB just made another NFC playoff contender even stronger. At least ship him to the AFC. 2018 is officially dead. Here's to hoping for a top 10 pick....

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CAG123's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:47 pm

Exactly. Was he Earl Thomas? No not even close but he was average at worst and good at best and he’s probably the only player not just on def but the whole team that can say he started every game from 2015 until last Sunday. Now everyone is suddenly looking forward to Whitehead who is average at best, Brice who is terrible, and Jones who despite his size and speed got beat out by Brice and has been on special teams. I just hope they either sign a quality safety or draft a good one since they missed out on Fitzpatrick I’m not sure people understand how difficult it is to find a quality FS. It took the Packers 3 years after Collins retired and that meant (gulp) Charlie Peprah, MD Jennings(gasp), Jerron McMillian and Chris Banjo!

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Johnblood27's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:25 pm

put down the crack pipe and walk away...

playing at a high level? Dix? delusional...

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4thand1's picture

October 31, 2018 at 12:23 am

If HaHa was worth keeping, Gute would have kept him. This sends a clear message, this team will look a whole lot different next year.

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CAG123's picture

October 30, 2018 at 09:32 pm

You mean relying on rookies to produce at vital positions? Sounds like any other year to me unless Gute is going to plug in some holes via free agency.

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SJ EC's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:54 pm

Not sure how I feel about this move..... if anything, it shows that we won’t be in a “Nick Perry situation” down the road (paying someone simply due to the fact that no one else is really available).

Is the depth good enough to make this trade, or are we planning on moving Tramon back to safety?

Time will tell, but give Gute the credit for being pretty ballsy here at the very least...

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JHitTheB's picture

October 30, 2018 at 07:40 pm

Eg - You're right. I'm sure all the expert analysts making the big bucks are wrong lol. He was playing his ass off this year. Rarely out of position. Coming up and making tackles on RBs. Rarely got burned or even let a WR get behind the coverage on his side of the field. I think you're confusing HHCD for Brice.

All you naysayers are going to quickly see how hard its going to be to fill the void.

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SJ EC's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:15 pm

Don’t think I said any of that, but okay.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 30, 2018 at 06:57 pm

I don’t care what PFF and all the stats nerds say, I watched him and he stinks. He is not a good safety. He hovers around the edge of the action and picks off tipped balls and overthrows. Once or twice a season he makes a splash play and the stats nerds go wild. The rest of the time he plays chicken football, making sure he doesn’t get hurt and miss out on his big payday. Good riddance. Replace him with a JAG off the street, it will be an improvement.

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October 30, 2018 at 07:28 pm

ROFL @ those who think TWill is a viable replacement option for HHCD. TWill is a dinosaur. He simply doesn't have the range or speed necessary to play FS in today's league of 4.3 WRs. He's been burned more times this year than the weed in my bowl. Same goes for Brice. He can't cover. He can't locate the ball in the air. He rarely comes up to make tackles - his tackles come from chasing down the guy that just got behind him in coverage lol.

Meanwhile HHCD was playing his ass off this year under Pettine - who cares about last year? What does last year have to do with THIS year? If GB had a better option he would have been on the field already. This move just seriously weakened the secondary with nothing in return and failed to address a need at the same time. It's not very likely a 4th rounder is going to bring much value. Jumping from CB to FS is no easy task - you can't just put any body back there and expect them to be good. People should really watch the tapes and not base opinions off comments they read a player make or what they did in previous years.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 30, 2018 at 10:09 pm

Playing his ass off? Great. I want a safety who lives to tackle.

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Bear's picture

October 31, 2018 at 12:09 am

Wouldn’t say Dix 4.58 40 is fast!

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packerfan9507's picture

February 13, 2019 at 07:31 pm

Go Pack

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I bleed green more's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:02 pm

So who plays safety, can the be worse than Dix?

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Packer Dave's picture

October 30, 2018 at 08:24 pm

HaHa can be replaced by Williams easily. If we can use this fourth rounder to pick up the next Lang or Sitton in the draft (or Bahk) it's a killer deal. Choices were this or play a guy who doesn't want to be here only to lose him for a terrible comp pick.

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stockholder's picture

October 30, 2018 at 10:32 pm

HaHa can be replaced by Williams. Oh yes he can.

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4thand10's picture

October 31, 2018 at 12:14 am

This was a great move. Like I said before ...for about every INT he had there was about 4 other plays per game he just gave up, didn’t finish plays. Puts a bad taste in everyone else’s mouths who are working their asses off to see a guy half stepping it and taking plays off once in awhile...
Nobody needs anyone like that.

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Imafan's picture

October 31, 2018 at 09:58 am

If you play tentative as a safety you shouldn't be a safety! Ha Ha rarely committed and was often found in limbo! You have to commit and let the chips fall. He didn't have the speed to catch up and he rarely made a player pay for coming in his territory! I wish him all the best, but we need someone who shows he wants the position and plays like it!

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Point-Packer's picture

October 31, 2018 at 05:19 pm

Bingo. not a Seahawk fan, but watching Earl Thomas and Haha play safety are like watching a Care Bear and Braveheart.

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