I wrote this post a week ago, but chose to withhold it, anticipating this very moment. Whether you share my POV, or not, I hope you understand.

It's been nearly 7 years since I began occasionally commenting on CHTV, unfazed calling out GM and HC malpractice even during 13-3 seasons and added QB Love to my perennial group of underachievers earlier this season after his inexcusable Cleveland game. No matter how much one desires to dance with change, politics requires savvy, calculated moves--like the PR we recently witnessed by Mr. Policy, as well as the no-extensions PR at the beginning of the season.

With change, failure has to be acknowledged as a possible outcome--there is no certainty.
The growing division within the fanbase is, however, indicative of pending change; it just takes time. For all the pro Gute / MLF / Love cheerleaders, look deep within your conscience and ask yourself, will you seek comfort with more 1 & done seasons, or will you desire more? The converts have been coming in droves to the latter by the week. The culture of this football team is riddled with heartbreaking losses and infested with perennial excuses:
It's not OK to have little next-man-up depth for a small market team predicated on draft & develop.
It's not OK to have one of the worst ST units in the league, year after year.
It's not OK to be soft and lack mental discipline, especially coming from the Lombardi lineage.
It's not OK to lack confidence in personnel ability and execution that play calling is regularly in question. Accountability has been a buzz word here lately, and newsflash, it's not going away until it gets resolved. This applies not just to those employed at 1265, but media and fans alike being honest with themselves. From management to media to fans...it's no different than an alcoholic that won't acknowledge the problem so that healing can begin.

Those who experienced the 70s and 80s know misery well, but that fear of repeated cellar-dwelling should not curb your pursuit of reaching a higher ceiling in lieu of recent, regular season success, or should I say comforts?

Progress does not occur without change. Growth and comfort do not coexist.
I've never been a season ticket holder, but during the Holmgren era, I would have never considered selling tickets. This past decade, even with numerous successful seasons--no desire to attend a game. I don't trust the leadership at the helm and fully haven't since 2010--I know the Super Bowl--but that year we drafted right, made key in season pickups, and the team responded to adversity. Even in '14, a year we should have won the Super Bowl, I believed they would find a way to choke--and with McCarthy conservatism & Bostick's botch, they did...ditto SF, TB...too many to recollect. Lacking leadership, frankly, the Packers and its fanbase are afraid of success...and that's what the fanbase has been programmed to accept--feel good mild regular season success, choke-artists when the wheat meets the chaff. If we want better, demand better. Highly vett GM, coach, QB, and for heaven's sake, get leaders and football players that will transform the culture of this storied franchise back to its championship lore.

Reposting this here instead of the game chat.

Welp, that hurts.
I don't know what to make of the Jeckle & Hyde nature of this 2025 Packers team.

The talent is there, the schemes are capable, we've seen it when it's firing on all cylinders and it passes all the tests. Then the switch flips, sometimes from week to week, sometimes from half-to-half, and the wheels completely fall off. This team certainly had to work through a number of key injuries, but it's far more than that.

I'm torn on what to do with this team going forward. I feel like too much time is invested with Love in this offense to start over- and I think it is very capable- but I do feel like MLF is failing to get this team prepared to compete from a discipline / focus standpoint, on a consistent basis.

The wordsmith "Empire Strikes Back" reply crew will arrive shortly to crush the resistance like Andy Kaufman "Here I come to
save the day"! and bring calm and order back to the Green and Gold galaxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiu1wfHSU1w

MLF has to go you can’t dominate one half and bomb in the second half playing conservatively just like McCarthy at the end .

Half-a-day Ray Packers really broke my heart today. I know the team really wanted this win but ran into the same lack of adjustments and agility in playcalling that happens all the time.

The title of this article should add the word Again. Many of our losses are similar this year and due to the offense unable to score in 2nd half, injuries and a special team's gaffe/mistakes. I'm really hoping for a new head coach and new special teams coach that can lead, make ingame adjustments, good decisions in critical moments, hold coaches and players accountable, and do such things for all 4 quarters; but don't think it will happen. News reports are saying MLF is going to get an extension even though the team has imploded at the end of the season again. So tired of seeing repeated failures rewarded. We have a lot of talent, but we desperately need much better leadership that makes a difference in close games.

How many chapters are there going to be in this Tale of Two Halves book, authored by MLF with contribution by Hafley.

Luckily, Johnson and Caleb kept finding ways to stop themselves.

GB ended the RZ drought, only to revive the 3 and out cancer.

Did MLF, at any point in the 2nd half, begin to see his seat getting hot, or disappear?

Golden declaws the Bears breaking tackles for the key TD.

Bears have no quit, and make it a game again.

Doubs making up for past ST blunder.

More stupid penalties stop the drive.

The missed FG leaves the door open.

Wholly Shit,

They choke on the last chance.

Some things have got to change.

That was one of the most embarrassing shit shows I've seen from the Packers ever. By the 2nd drive of the 3rd quarter I KNEW the Packers would lose this game. You could just see it coming with the play calling.

LaFleur is soft and so are his football teams. To lose in that fashion AGAIN, to your arch enemy is unforgiveable. Matt LaFleur's Packers team didn't play even one 4 quarter game this season. NOT ONE. It was always a couple quarters or even 3 and half, but never a full game.

For the first time in the last 26 seasons I won't order Sunday Ticket in 2026. NO WAY am I paying $400.00 for the season to watch that clown show.

Well, unless MLF is fired and possibly Gute...Then maybe... Still on the fence about Gute. Have a nice winter guys. I need a break from this team.

I've been very vocal this year about the foundational issues with the Packers. IMO, MLF is only a symptom.
Most of this started with Murphy in 2018. He made a power grab and kept this flawed system in place until his recent retirement. He hired two 'adequate' guys who would never have been hired by a contending team and they have not been held accountable for 7+ years. Gutekunst has been reckless with Draft capital, the team has no original vet depth, weak trenches. MLF refuses to learn clock management, won't hire a play-caller/in-game manager and now we have Policy who will likely follow Murphy's path which is to avoid real oversight of the team, hand it off to the first -'adequate' guy who can 'supervise' the second 'adequate ' guy so Policy/Murphy can ignore the team & focus on commercial development in Titletown.

MLF should resign, but so should Gutekunst and Policy. The entire structure is lacking transparency and honesty.

I've been a fan for 20+ years but I did not sign up for this 20 years ago-I am going to leave. My plan was to follow Hafley as I would like some familiarity and competence but he may have been damaged in this game.
It is very clear MLF will be extended and there will be no change. I refuse to invest my time and energy in this
failed endeavor. At least other teams fire coaches for much less.

The announcers said, "The game was a tale of 2 halves." No, it wasn't. It was a tale of 6-7 games all ending the same way, losing in the final 2 quarters. Somehow Green Bay has invented a way to suck all the air out of their team at half time. Every time they start the first series in the 3rd quarter, LaFloor FIRST calls a running play...as if they want to lose. It's always 3 and out. The Chicago game wasn't anything new...it was the same old, same old...expecting to get different results...the idiot!

Time for new blood in Green Bay!

As much as I love this team. I called this loss days ago. As long as we keep this coach, we are going no where. Again, I dont mind losing, but MLF has been losing in the same fashion and not learning a DAMN thing. He is the only one from the coaching tree of Mcvay and Shanahan who hasnt been to a superbowl.

I’m certain, like many of you, I’m extremely disappointed/deflated.
I was one of those adamant we would win this game.
What the hell is wrong with McManus? Why do we go 3 & out every time we receive the 2nd half KO—Geesh!!
I have said also, Lafleur should be gone if we did not win this game; I would have given him a pass vs Seattle.
Here’s to next year…
Go Packers!!!
…and anyone but the Broncos

My gut reactions. Something is wrong that the Packers fall apart like they do. Common issue for the last three years. How can you have a delay of game after a timeout. McManus has choked two years in a row. Why does Nixon always seem to have a roughing penalty every game. Why does the Chicago tackle hop off the field and Rhyan lays like a lump and makes the team lose 10 seconds. Why does it appear the Packers offense go stale in the third quarter in these losses. Valentine is a huge liability.

Ed Policy has a big decision to make. The undisciplined play and choking are chronic. Lafleur is a good coach but hasn't taken the step to great or able to get the players to play great at the end of games

My fear at this point is that new president Policy is too much of an old time Packer that he brings everybody back and excuses it all to the injuries. If that is the case, I will for the first time in my life, say that I am no longer a full hearted Packer fan. No accountability in MLF's tenure.

That's all there is to it.

“Winners never quit and quitters never win.”
The kicker Quit.
The offense Quit.
The Defense was on the Field too long. And Quit.
Now they can all go home and dream of what could have been.
For some the dream is money.
For others it will be a new team.
They just blew all their hard work.
But we all knew it was 1 and done. Didn't we.

Another successful season for Green Bay, making it to the playoffs again. And giving the Bears a bit of a scare in the first half. Kudos to the Bears and Ben Johnson for knowing how to finish a game. As he said “I like beating LaFleur twice a year.” On to next season - and maybe the playoffs?! Go Pack Go!!!

I will only say, I truly emphasize with your pain. It was a fun game to watch, something I didn't think I would say after the first quarter.

Thanks for humoring a rival fan all season.

Why does every Packers playoff loss have to be the most embarrassing excuse of a football game you've ever seen? Seriously? I can't even say it was heartbreaking because I saw it coming from early in the third quarter. It felt EXACTLY like the 2014 NFC Championship game. You know it's coming. How tf do you blow an 18 point lead in the playoffs and not have any accountability moving forward? Especially after losing five in a row. This team folds easier than a piece of origami paper. Where was the $24 million dollar man on defense? Maybe they should have kept the substitute teacher on kicking duties because McManus didn't do this team any favors tonight. I thought Love was destined to win a Super Bowl because he turned 27 this year?? Did someone forget to follow the script??

Trade love
Keep Willis
Fire lafleur

Might as well have a little fun:

https://youtu.be/7paNiW75KIQ?si=SrvfkOdlNDXY_fWB

If the new president of the packers doesn’t see 7 seed every year is not good enough and then one and done especially against the bears
Then not only if he doesn’t fire lasewer or guteshit and if he doesn’t he needs to fire himself
Change or implode more

It doesn’t hurt anymore. I’m conditioned to it. Except for an unexpected wildcard win in Dallas , the Matt LeFluer era is a constant dark cloud of bitter disappointment.
Only Ed Policy can change the culture of choking.

TPCheese had it nailed......

This teams needs accountability after an epic 2nd half meltdown.
After a 5 game losing streak.
Defense giving up 25 points in the 4th quarter, and about 300 yards in the 2nd half.

We went through this team being unaccountable some years back, and here we are again.

I'm not pointing fingers at the players.
I'm pointing fingers of the architect of this team.
I'm pointing fingers at the conductor of this team.

When is the last time this team had a 5 game losing streak, coupled with a meltdown of this nature, not to mention giving up 25 points in the 4th quarter.
A lot of teams don't give up 25 points....in a WHOLE game!!

Here we go again....the country was watching....embarrassing.

MLF flatlined as a coach three years ago…hasn’t grown or shown any innovation since..these abysmal losses can’t keep on time for change…go kingsburry or someone to be OC and a hard ass HC….wont happen I’m sure…tomorrow the excuses start from Packer HQ’s…

Lafleur's play calls and schemes set up Jordan Love in the first half and allowed Jordan to succeed and pad his stats with easy throws. Jordan dropped back to pass 16 times in the first half and the Packers ran the ball 16 times.

In the 2nd half Jordan attempted 31 passes and completed 15 - a MISERABLE 48.3% completion %!!!

in other words JORDAN CHOKED - AGAIN like against the Eagles last year and the 49ers the year before - with the game on the line. He is mentally asleep - there is no energy or awareness there - Jordan is slow making decisions and this in part explains his low completion percentage in the 2nd half.

SHOCKINGLY, The Packers ran the ball just 7 times in the 2nd half despite having a 21 to 6 lead coming into the 2nd half.

Of the 14 quarterbacks in the playoffs Rodgers has the lowest pressure % (sacks, hurries and knockdowns as a % of drop backs.) - 15%. And this is with the 1st and 2nd string left tackles injured and out and a 3rd string left tackle - and undrafted free agent - starting the last 5 weeks.

Rodgers - like other top quarterbacks - is able to do this because he makes smart and fast decisions.

Jordan Love is the polar opposite, despite top picks on receivers, running backs, tight ends, and offensive lineman, Jordan is just what he was in college - slow in processing the field and clumsy and lacking agility or awareness in the pocket.

If the Packers run more times than Jordan drops back to pass the Packers beat the Bears tonight, but they didn't.

In Lafleur’s first 3 years with Jordan as starting QB, Jordan is now 11 wins 19 losses and 1 tie in games where Jordan drops back to pass more than the Packers run - that is a ABSYMAL 37,1% winning percentage!!!

The NFL is still a passing league you cannot be a Super Bowl contender with a quarterback who after 3 years has an ABSYMAL 37,1% winning percentage when the team passes more than it runs in games!!!

In Lafleur’s first 3 years with Rodgers as starting QB, Rodgers was 34 wins and 12 losses where Rodgers dropped back to pass more than the Packers ran – that is a 73.9% winning percentage.

Lafleur – a very very smart and aware coach – recognized that Rodgers passing accuracy, arm strength, ability to think and quickly process the field, and agility in the pocket and pocket awareness made passing a winning formula with Rodgers as starer so the Packers passed more than they ran in 46 of the 53 games - that is 86.8% - that Rodgers started under Lafleur in Rodgers first 3 years with Lafleur.

Lafleur – a very very smart and aware coach – recognized that Love had poor passing accuracy, weaker arm strength than Rodgers, an inability to think and quickly process the field, and a lack of agility in the pocket and pocket awareness made passing a losing proposition with Jordan as starter so the Packers have passed more than they ran in just 31 of the 52 games – that is 59.6% - that Jordan has started under Lafleur in Jordan’s first 3 years with Lafleur.

This all tells you that the problem is Jordan Love, not Lafleur.

And that tells you that THE CORE PROBLEM IS GUTEKUNST.

All that said I was shocked that the Packers passed 46 times tonight and ran just 23 times against a Bears team that allows 5.0 yards per carry - only the Bills defense allows more yards per carry, 5.1.

So, what do we hear from MLF after some previous losses.....

"We had a great week of practice"
"I'm befuddled" - after the week 17 loss i think it was.

Then today, i'm listening to MLF on a pregame show...
"We had a great week of practice"

When i heard that, i'm like....oh shit....lol

One thing for sure, LeFleur is making it easy to become indifferent towards the 2026 season.
This loss didn’t even hurt, it was expected. Malik will will be beating us in a Vikings uniform next year.
The final insult.

Thanks to all you guys and gals that contributed to CHTV.

You all made the Packer victories more sweeter and the loses less suckier.

Thank you!,

Pantz

The Packers are now 1-3 in the playoffs....post Rodgers.

I've seen more than enough high draft pick disappointments.
Gute missed on Banks, and Hobbs.

Gary was a complete waste of resource (money)

I could go on and on and on......

Yes Gute hit on McKinney i guess.

He went all in on Parsons, which i liked, but fate dealt a different ending to that we didn't like.

This is the Green Bay Packers.
This is....Title Town.

Bottom line.....
After 8 years....what have you won.

Mc Miss. never trusted him from day one …missed at eagles game last year in playoffs

MLf got mad at him early in the season. And Mc Miss payed him back.

Missed 3 kicks today

What a joke. What a joke

Thanks for your service

Try stefanski he got screwed by ownership meddling, a previous COTY…

Miss 3 kicks. Are you kidding me

No Zach tom. Hurt

Not done with this team but for sure not excited and looking forward to next season as I once was..expectations are low…something to watch on sundays I guess…too many disappointments….

7 points on special teams. We gave up

Miss 3 kicks today. Will say it again

LeFluer, Hafley and most of the players wilted under pressure ( again)
Now all the pressure is on Ed Policy. Will the wilting continue.

CheesePuff
January 10, 2026 at 11:26 pm
Another successful season for Green Bay, making it to the playoffs again.
*********
That was a successful season in the 70's and 80's

Like i've said numerous times in recent history.

The bar has been lowered.
Thanks Murphy

So is Bisaccia going to be the token fall guy?

We will see.

No Wilson running the ball

Today was a microcosm of this season "a tale of two halves" Score like crazy, then install the prevent offense. and leave the defense on the field to. twist in the breeze-wasted performances by Love, Doubs and Golden. Another invisible game for Gary. Nothing special; about special teams, three missed kicks and a forty yard punt return late, Nixon continuing to draw bad penalties late. Id say at this point, Id say Biasaccia is out after this game, and the time has cone for MLF to turn over play calling to an OC. Our defensive coodinator may have shot his chances at a head coaches job , giving up 25 points and the game in the fourth quarter. Very disappointing , but the team and its coaches proving that they are who we thought they are. GO PACK GO