Game-Changing Play of the Week: Watson Drop a Prelude to Packers' Woes

Christian Watson's drop reverberates throughout the game.

Over the week to come there will be a lot of discussion over what went wrong for the Green Bay Packers in Minnesota on Sunday afternoon. I certainly will have plenty to say about the subject in Hello Wisconsin on Thursday.

But it seemed to me that one of the many reasons the Packers struggled so mightily was a lack of trust in some of their young players. And the huge drop by Christian Watson on the team's first offensive play of the game was emblematic of that larger issue.

For that reason, this first-quarter flub is the game-changing play of the week.

The play

You couldn't ask for a better look on your first NFL passing route than what Christian Watson got on the Packers' first play from scrimmage.

Watson easily blew past his man and had an absolutely perfect ball from Aaron Rodgers heading toward him. All he had to do was haul it in and jog to the endzone for a major, statement-making strike that would have tied the ballgame.

Instead, Watson got alligator arms and flubbed a massive opportunity.

Now, this is going to happen. Watson is a rookie who had very limited time to play in training camp and the preseason. It was a huge moment and is not indicative at all of who he will be or can be as an NFL receiver.

No--what changed the game was the way Aaron Rodgers responded to it.

Rodgers' look to the sideline after the pass was, as our own Jersey Al remarked on Twitter afterwards, something aking to a "See? I told you" sort of look. 

Rodgers is famously tough on his young receivers and has developed a reputation for being unwilling to throw the ball their way, or for insisting young players be taken out of the game when they make a mistake. When Watson dropped his pass, many of us joked on Twitter afterwards that it would be weeks before Watson saw another ball come his way.

While there were a couple more times in the game that Watson touched the ball, he very clearly was not a part of the game plan after that, whether by design or due to Rodgers' own preferences for throwing to his veteran friends.

This was likely compounded even more by the fact that Romeo Doubs ran a wrong route just two plays afterwards. Two rookies making two mistakes within three plays. 

Through much of the rest off the game, Aaron Rodgers held on to the ball for far too long. While there were many protection issues (we'll get to that in a moment), there were also plenty of circumstances in which Rodgers did himselves and his linemen no favors, attempting to play 2018-style hero ball.

There were some who worried this could be an issue without Davante Adams present as Rodgers' security blanket. But if the Packers' offense is going to succeed this year, Rodgers is going to have to trust the young guys and the game plan put together by his coaches.

If Watson catches this pass, maybe Rodgers isn't so quick to give up on him or get frustrated, and maybe the Packers' offense stays in better sync for the first half and beyond.

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Now all that being said, the distrust of the young guys seems to be something of an institutional issue. Any idiot could have told you before the game that starting Jake Hanson at right guard would lead to disaster. I don't care how thin the Packers' offensive line is at the moment; one could make an argument that Hanson doesn't belong on an NFL roster, let alone starting an important game on the road against a divisional rival with an excellent pass rush. 

Most reaosnable people would have called for the Packers to start impressive rookie Zach Tom at right tackle and kick Royce Newman to his typical inside position at right guard. Instead, Matt LaFleur and company chose for the second meaningful game in a row NOT to use their best five available offensive linemen, for reasons at which I can barely hazard a guess.

Note, then, how when Tom eventually entered the game in relief of an injured Jon Runyan, Jr., the Packers ran behind him twice almost immediately for large gains. 

For the Packers to succeed, they must trust the roster decisions they've made and accept the fact that their young players are going to have to be allowed to grow up quickly. This roster has plenty of areas of strength, but there are also thin spots in which the youth will need to be thrown into the fire immediately. And when it comes to the wide receivers, if Aaron Rodgers doesn't like it, he can continue to hurt his team by refusing to acknowledge his entire route tree, and accept that he is handicapping his team's chances at a championship.

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Tim Backes is a lifelong Packer fan and a contributor to CheeseheadTV. Follow him on Twitter @timbackes for his Packer takes, random musings and Untappd beer check-ins.

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Johnblood27's picture

September 12, 2022 at 04:22 pm

Let's just begin the Jordan Love era and then let's just see what kind of faces and gesticulations rodgers makes from the sideline.

I know, I know... THAT's not going to happen, but hey, can't a guy dream?

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Rarescope's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:12 pm

I would never say that I dream of a Packer's era w/o ARod, he's been THE GUY for all of my serious football watching years and I remember the relief I felt when he took over for Favre and I didn't have to peek b/w my fingers with every pass to see if it was going to be intercepted or not. But, with that being said, I sure would like to see him trying to bring a little more positive energy to the sideline.

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Johnblood27's picture

September 14, 2022 at 08:37 am

Rarescope, I have watched Bart Starr, a parade of Bozo's up to Lynn Dickey, followed by more clowns up to the short bright flame of the Majic Man to Favre and rodgers.

I can readily imagine the Jordan Love era.

I only wish it would start this season.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:42 pm

Be careful what you wish for. Did you see the dazed gaze after that stripsack? He's old, he's had concussions in the past, and that was a pretty hard shot. A lot harder shot than the one that knocked out Dak Prescott.

IMO, Chicago put some hard shots on the QB last week. If Rodgers is going to take a pounding like this every week, he's going to have a short season.

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Rarescope's picture

September 12, 2022 at 09:36 pm

Right and that’s why I’ve always thought that if you have one of the great QBs in the game protecting them should be job number one. Sadly we have a supposedly great oline on paper that just hasn’t been able to stay healthy. One can’t help but wonder how different things would be if Bahk and Jenkins had not been injured.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 13, 2022 at 09:26 am

Most of our Mocks had an OT in round one or two. Abe Lucas was solid as the RT for Seattle last night. What would we know?

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:04 pm

You know what else helps protect the qb? Running the ball. But Rodgers would rather throw slants to AJ Dillon because.....I have no idea why.

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Bure9620's picture

September 12, 2022 at 10:19 pm

Yeah, slow to get up...Yeah he looked old

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PatrickGB's picture

September 13, 2022 at 09:20 am

Well, Love DID have a higher quarterback rating. 🙄

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Packers0808's picture

September 12, 2022 at 04:24 pm

Hanson should be totally cut from the team, not even practice squad. Scan the waivers and find a good replacement for him. And Rodgers is an example of a person of old animal of habit!

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Bure9620's picture

September 12, 2022 at 10:19 pm

Stenovich loves him. Do not know why

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PatrickGB's picture

September 13, 2022 at 09:23 am

Or maybe it’s Butkus who does. In any case Hanson is the backup center and those guys are locks. But I agree with others that he fails the eyeball test.

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Johnblood27's picture

September 14, 2022 at 08:39 am

Tom could easily be the backup center. He played it for years in college.

End the hanson experiment.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 12, 2022 at 04:49 pm

I understand that confidence and momentum are important for a team, but after all the talk in preseason about the Offense being fine, the Defense being Top 5, and SPTs still trying to find itself, there is no way I would suggest or accept that the first play pass drop by Watson impacted the rest of the game plan so deeply that it was simply tossed aside, and a loss was immediately accepted as being so.

No, this team wasn't game ready in so many areas, it was a nightmare from the moment the Vikings went down the field like a hot knife through butter on a picnic on a 110 degree summer day. What the Packers did and didn't do after that dropped pass seemed to be a game plan developed for the destiny that prevailed. Yes, the drop was a bucket of cold water, but if the drop was all it took to undo the Packers, I'd expect another next week against the Bears.

A win next week won't erase the issues of this week, a loss will certainly lend more credence to those issues, but these issues aren't issues that just appeared, they've been seen for a while under the leadership of MLF and Rodgers. You're just kidding yourself if you deny what's been around for the last three years. Not a slice of the pie, but the whole pie.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

September 12, 2022 at 05:03 pm

Completely agree. Yes Watson dropped the pass. He also blew past a really good corner as easily as I've ever seen. Why NOT throw to him again? He gets open.

Rodgers and LaFleur have their shtick; Rodgers and the phony trust issue that has inhibited the Packers for years and made his tunnel vision predictable and easily defended at crucial moments.

And LaFleur, who doesn't seem to be watching the same game as the rest of the world. Glaring problems are player problems instead of coaching idiocies. Not starting Yosh last year, starting Hanson this game, and not having Jaire on Jefferson, is unbelievably stupid. Those calls were huge, and not a single Packer fan I know agreed with any of them. So what game is he watching, or if he is, what does that say about his judgment? If the guy calling the shots is too blind to see what's in front of him, there's no hope.

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LeotisHarris's picture

September 12, 2022 at 05:55 pm

Shrewd take on Coach Matt, Johnny. Do we know who made the call on the starting OL for the 49ers game. Steno was held out as a genius all season for his decisions and coaching. Then, THAT decision, and when it was clear it was not the best choice nothing changed. Who made that call?

We also haven't discussed if the right guy ascended to the OC job. It's early, yes, but you have highlighted a pattern those at the helm can't see despite its size.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

September 12, 2022 at 08:55 pm

JL,
"Rodgers and LaFleur have their shtick; Rodgers and the phony trust issue that has inhibited the Packers for years and made his tunnel vision predictable and easily defended at crucial moments".

Beautiful.........................

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Rarescope's picture

September 12, 2022 at 10:04 pm

And what’s so sad about that is that I always saw Arod as the QB who wasn’t afraid to spread it around. The guy who threw it to receivers I didn’t even know we’re on the team.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 13, 2022 at 07:04 am

"Rodgers and LaFleur have their shtick; Rodgers and the phony trust issue that has inhibited the Packers for years and made his tunnel vision predictable and easily defended at crucial moments."

THAT is the problem. Lafleur like MM is just hoping it works out. It won't. I love the team and hope they have the pride to over come this, but unfortunately I've seen this too long to trust THEM. Last year was a bookend of 2 inexplicable losses, and with this start, It's all just a pipe dream until I see something different.

As for Rodgers I have no faith in him at all anymore. His stubbornness is baffling and the only explanation I see is that he is only driven by..... Hell I don't know! None of this makes any sense . Does it do any good to roll his eyes make his point that I told you so in his body language. Passive aggressive BS and no ability to look at himself in the mirror and question his own role or lack thereof.

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jlc1's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:05 am

I don't think trust is a phony issue. If a receiver goes inside instead of out or something like that, the timed throw is too easily intercepted. A receiver who lets the ball go through his hands is another turnover risk. Turnovers win and lose football games and one reason the Pack has won far more than they have lost with Rodgers is the lack of interceptions. (Fumbles from hanging onto the ball too long is another matter.) But ARod is the best at threading balls into impossibly small spaces and his receiver needs to be right at that spot, he needs to be trusted/expected, call it what you want, to be right at that spot.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

September 13, 2022 at 12:52 pm

You're right of course, trust is very important, but when it reaches the levels it often does with Rodgers it can be defeating. He prides himself on being a total professional and demands that from everyone. He wants his players to be great. Well, not everyone is as great a football player as he is.

Reminds of all those baseball managers who were great players once, but lousy managers. Ted Williams, Eddie Mathews... Stan Musial was watching a rookie in the batting cage one day during batting practice and the kid was destroying the ball. As he exchanged places with Musial the kid said I feel like I can go 5 for 5 today. Stan said, "I feel like that every day." That's Rodgers, he feels like a Hall of Famer every day and has no tolerance for lesser lights.

I believe Rodgers is aging before our eyes. He's a better athlete than Brady but watching Brady move around in the pocket and pick out open receivers to move the chains is a thing of beauty. He just gets it done. Rodgers, meanwhile, seems to always be looking to show off how dazzling he can be. Leave the pocket, run around, make a brilliant throw. It's an ego thing. In case you didn't know, Aaron Rodgers has an enormous ego. When his ego isn't being massaged, he pouts. That's what he did against the Vikings. A Lombardi would have chewed his ass out. A LaFleur takes the blame on himself. Rodgers won't change. LaFleur better.

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Hematite's picture

September 13, 2022 at 07:13 am

Well said!
My confidence in MLF is waning rapidly considering the last game of last season and the first game of this season.
Was there really a game plan?
And Rodgers, Rodgers doesn't look like the leader of a championship team, he looks and acts like a total p**ick!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:10 pm

These issues predate Lafleur tho. New boss, same rogue quarterback. Oline is hurt? All new receivers that he doesnt trust? I got it! Lets pass twice as much as we run!! Brilliant!!! I know thats not on Lafleur cuz he wants to run the ball. Gutekunst wants to run the ball. Stenavich wants to run the ball. Rodgers does not want to run the ball. Pretty hard to win when the face of the franchise is on one page and literally the rest of the franchise is on another page. Still dont know why they brought him back. Jordan Love couldve gotten 7 points at $48 million dollars cheaper.

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stockholder's picture

September 12, 2022 at 04:54 pm

Remember Devante Adams first Years? I wanted him traded!!! He Dropped so many, he apologized to everyone.
Yet; Wasn't it obvious they needed to throw at his left hand? And then move him behind Jordy Nelson.
It did pay off. He responded with the best moves, and quickness, ever by a packer WR.
How can we give up on any of these kids after Devante Adams?

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Coldworld's picture

September 12, 2022 at 05:07 pm

We don’t need to give up on a guy who can get open that easily, we need to stick with it and know it’s going to mean some big drops as well as some big plays. Why? Because that’s what this roster is. The talent is raw but there. The older players are not going to tear up this league.

Yes, those points would have been big, but if there are people out there that think that that would have made our O Line significantly better or Jefferson rendered more covetable then they are deluded in my view.

We needed to go back to those plays. That might have helped us score, but we took a half to get the youngsters involved again outside of trick plays. Just execrable coaching. This game might have felt better with a Watson score then but I very much doubt that the outcome or other issues would have been changed.

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13TimeChamps's picture

September 12, 2022 at 05:46 pm

If QB1 is going to give up on a rookie mistake the FIRST play of the game, then that is more on QB1 than the rookie. Why on earth would you not go back to him after seeing how he blew past the defense? How about trying to bolster the young rookie's confidence by giving him another shot? That's what a team leader would do.

Nah...just not the Rodgers way. He'd rather just shake his head and pretty much ignore him the rest of the game. And it's going to hurt this team going forward if a certain head coach doesn't grow a pair.

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Coldworld's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:52 pm

If Rodgers makes those calls we don’t have a HC. Maybe that’s why LaFleur, by his own admission, had lambast his team for a lack of effort after the first half of football in the season. I’m sorry, but it’s not the first time any of this has happened. The myth that LaFleur is an asset is so threadworm it’s transparent.

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Bure9620's picture

September 12, 2022 at 10:22 pm

That is what I am afraid of

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mnbadger's picture

September 13, 2022 at 12:40 pm

Agree on all counts 13TC's.
We need to get Kaunu Benton up there to call it like it is. Go all "nuts down" on AR's and MLF's ARses!
Enough of 12's ego and arrogance.
He's probably thinking that we don't deserve his skills. On this I agree.
I want my QB to be a team leader that linemen want to block for and receivers would dive through a brick wall for.
12 doesn't have this set of skills, we deserve way better for $50mill/year.
Bring on the cubs, GPG!

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:28 pm

I would pair him with Toure' on the right with Doubs on the left. Open it up La Fleur. Randall and Watkins are
reserves. Winfree can take some of Lazards snaps. They just lack a TE while Tonyan is on the bench.

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Coldworld's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:54 pm

In all fairness to the TEs, before they can impact the stats, we need to get them on the field and throw at them. We really didn’t do much with any of them on Sunday.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 13, 2022 at 07:20 am

Now that's a great plan but ARod would never go for it. Wants to trust but them but offers them no opportunity to provide the needed game experience it often takes. Yuck

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:11 pm

Tell that to Rodgers. He's the first one to give up on his own teammates.

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wildbill's picture

September 12, 2022 at 05:07 pm

Well the first game last year Rodgers QBR was 36.8 and he threw two picks and we scored 3 points. All of this with Devante playing. Not saying we are going to right the ship as quickly as last year but it’s way too early to be cutting/firing people. “Panic early and avoid the rush” seems prevalent with a lot of our fans, and it always brings a smile to my face.

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Coldworld's picture

September 12, 2022 at 07:01 pm

If your hope is a playoff place and no more then you may find that comforting. Watching LaFleur get his behind lacerated by a rookie HC should make you less chirpy about more of than that and why. Watching us forget about Jones and Dillon for a half after spouting how core they were all year should maybe perturb you too. If not, we’ll the fact that our HC has to kick the team for effort 30 minutes into a season might. Then there’s the continued bizarre O Line personnel insistence that keeps Hanson out there. There is more, but if you think that this repeat of the annual tradition LaFleur assured us would not occur has no more significance I envy your ability to foresee calm but not your chances of enjoying it.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:16 pm

I dont blame Lafleur. Hes obviously not in control of this offense. Its the same lousy offense from the end of the Mccarthy era which Mccarthy was not in control of either. Why do you think Rodgers held out last summer? You dont honestly think it was about how they treated past veterans do you? It was about usurping control over the offense which is why the dominant, balanced and creative offense of 2020 is a distant memory at this point. He held out for more control, got it, and this is the end result. Lafleur's hands have been tied by Murphy. Of course we wont see concrete proof of that until Rodgers is gone which cant come soon enough. End of rant.

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LLCHESTY's picture

September 12, 2022 at 05:12 pm

Watson wasn't to blame for the defense crapping the bed whenever Jefferson was targeted.

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coolhand's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:00 pm

I wonder what Barry did for 2 weeks leading up to this game. There was a play where Preston Smith was covering Jefferson on a short out with no DB anywhere near him. They played soft and timid and I don't ever recall a blitz being called.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:16 pm

Zone defenses are designed to occupy certain field areas and pass guys off. It makes for a crowded field if the pass rush is getting home, quickly. But if not, any decent receiver has time to sit in a hole in the zone for an easy pitch and catch.

Barry loves Zone. He overrates his front four thinking they'll pressure without having to blitz. Foolish thinking. Double Clark, double Gary, and you expect Lowry and P.Smith to get home?

It doesn't even take a talent like Jefferson to find a hole. But when it is a Jefferson or Davante or Jamarr Chase, it's lethal. When there's a good O-line as in Tampa and a great QB, they'll simply destroy the zone. That's what Brady did to us. Barry still hasn't learned the lesson.

You have Jaire Alexander, as close to a lockdown corner as exists in the league, and you play him as if he's just another guy in the zone.

As stupid as it gets.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 13, 2022 at 02:09 am

Nah.

There was a TE lined up wider than Jefferson. Preston was lined up opposite Jefferson near the numbers with a Jaire 10 yards off. It was 2nd and 10. Clearly, the CB was going to carry Jefferson on a deep route. What happened is that Jefferson ran a 5 or 6-yard out that was completed. EPA/play on that result was negative for MN. MN did not convert on 3rd down but kicked a 56-yard field goal.

You can argue the process, I suppose, but the result was good for GB. It was Jefferson's 2nd shortest reception of the day.

Also, if GB's CBs are going to consistently line up 10 yards off, WRs like Jefferson can run 5 yard outs successfully a lot. That the TE and therefore Preston were in the vicinity is to my mind a red herring.

Here is the play:

https://twitter.com/DaireCarragher/status/1569087449489440771?s=20&t=SBN...

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:19 pm

Berry called a gameplan that was dependent upon the pass rush getting home which it obviously did not. Remember the tail end of the Lovie Smith era in Chicago? The pass rush got old and they couldnt stop anyone. Pass rush needs to improve big time.

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jont's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:17 pm

The drop was a bigger play even than it seemed at the time.

With that TD, MLF likely kicks the FG when 4th and goal to take a lead at 10-7. The pack's later TD makes it 20-17 in the fourth quarter; instead of down and out, the pack is in the middle of it and instead of costing home the vikes worry. Different ball game.

Yes, Tim, a game changing play. Goes to show how important every play is-- one reason I love football, never a dull moment.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:53 pm

You surmise the impossible to be probable. If Watson makes the catch and scores, nothing that happened after the drop happens in reality, as reality is changed. Using your logic, perhaps Minn scores three more TDs and lead at halftime 28-7.

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Johnblood27's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:38 am

...or maybe everything goes exactly as it did.

You discount that as a possibility and state that everything after that moment would change.

You invalidate your own assumption by doing so.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:00 am

Dr, Emmett Brown said changing a second of the events that happened will alter everything that did happen to not happening. It's true in a movie and true in reality. The change may be subtle, but nonetheless changed, and subtle changes add up quickly. The actions and reactions of every decision is altered.

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mnbadger's picture

September 13, 2022 at 12:48 pm

but, the highly decorated Dr. Brown also changed what was needed after seeing the effect of not changing.
He lived to see 2 or 3 more Back to the future movies.
My point is that much good can come from a change. It's not garaunteed to be better, you only know it will be different.
I certainly would have liked to see the difference between catching the ball vs dropping it.
GPG!

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 13, 2022 at 01:00 pm

Yes, catching the ball would change everything afterwards, though not necessarily for the better, and nothing that happened after the drop would happen if it was caught.

Agree. I would have loved to see what happened after a catch also. I guess will need to be happy with a similar play and catch next week, but that, I guess, is up to Rodgers, even if MLF calls for it. Broken trust runs deep for the ONE.

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Rebecca's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:21 pm

What if? 😂

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dobber's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:16 am

"With that TD, MLF likely kicks the FG when 4th and goal to take a lead at 10-7."

I actually agree with Taryn, here, that the whole game changes after that IF Watson makes the catch and cruises in for a TD....and as she points out, it might not have been different for the better.

But LaF's tendency on short yardage at the goal line has almost always been to go for it, especially early in games. He rarely kicks the FG on 4th and goal at the 1 unless it's late and is outcome-determining.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:21 pm

The drop was important but not because it cost them 7. From that point on, Rodgers phased Watson out of the offense just like he always does when a receiver who isnt his buddy makes a mistake. He didnt get another target till the 2nd half. Rodgers is a basket case and its not getting better. Its only getting worse.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:24 pm

With 8 minutes to go in the first half, we were behind 7-0 and were 4th and goal inside the 1. By halftime, we were down 17-0. Those were a bad 8 minutes.

After they stopped us on that play, they started on the one, had a couple of good runs, and then connected on a really long catch and run. We held them to a FG. Then we had the ball, down 10-0, threw an incomplete, a one yard completion that Davis ran two yards with, and then an incomplete to Jones. Punt. 44 seconds burned off the clock.

Minnesota comes down the field, a 35 yard pass and finally, a long TD pass to Jefferson. With 45 seconds left. 45 seconds that wouldn't have been on the clock if we'd done anything with the ball on offense.

We start the second half by giving up a sack/fumble that was converted to 3 points, 20-0.

Basically, we had four unsuccessful offensive plays in a row and then a turnover. Instead of being inches away from 7-7, it went to 17 -0.

The drop is on Watson, but the 4th and 1 failure was a team effort.

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PhantomII's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:42 pm

Sounds a lot like our EPIC failures in the post season. A cascade of crappy game planning lack of even a minor adjustment by the HC and crappy execution.

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Coldworld's picture

September 12, 2022 at 07:04 pm

Sounds a lot like LaFleur’s results against good teams that are well coached throughout his tenure.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:45 am

Cincinnati and the Rams.. Good teams, we’ll coached. Beaten.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:23 pm

You act like Rodgers was playing great against tough defenses before Lafleur showed up. Rodgers has been average at best (and thats being kind) against good defenses virtually his entire career.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 13, 2022 at 07:28 am

Yeah no pattern there . Classic 1st half that is all too familiar

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Since'61's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:26 pm

I cannot agree that the first play of any game is the game changing play of the game. Yes, Watson should have caught the pass but we can't be out of a game after one play. As I posted in another article earlier today Rodgers was frustrated and he seem to remain so for the remainder of the game. That's ridiculous.

What should be doing is giving Watson a supportive pat and telling the kid to get ready I'm coming to you again. And then do so as soon as possible throw another pass to Watson to give him another chance. I did notice that Watson received 2 or 3 passes later in the game but Rodgers needs to be better at picking up his team mates after a mistake or a drop.

If I was going to pick a game changing play I would have chosen the failure to score on the 4th and goal play from the Vikings one yard line. If would have been huge to get on the board at that point. But poor OL execution ended that chance.

The question now is how will the Packers respond in next week's game against the Bears at Lambeau. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

September 12, 2022 at 09:08 pm

Your dead right Since 61. Rodgers is just not that type of guy.

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Since'61's picture

September 12, 2022 at 09:34 pm

Agree. I don't understand why. A little support goes a long way to building up a young player's confidence.
Thanks, Since '61

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Since'75's picture

September 13, 2022 at 12:42 am

Since'61...I've always respected and enjoyed reading your post. Thank you for your contributions, it raises the intellect of this site.

Let me say first...Watson has nothing to do with the outcome of that game...zero, nothing.
The Packers as a team weren't ready for week 1, which seems to becoming a pattern.

I found something interesting about Ron wolf and what he had to say in retrospect after retirement..from Jason Wilde
"After his retirement as the Green Bay Packers' general manager in 2001, Wolf had said several times that one of his biggest regrets was that he felt he hadn’t surrounded quarterback Brett Favre with sufficient talent at wide receiver."

In my 4 decades plus of Packer fanship, i have never seen a receiver room so void of talent...ever in my life. Including tight ends.
No disrespect to Doubs and Watson, who might someday be great receivers.
If a team has to rely on rookie wide receivers, you may have already lost.
That's not how this team has operated the last 30 years with two HOF QB'S

Ron Wolf never let his pass catching talent twindle to next to nothing, neither did Ted (RIP).

Is Rodgers pissed off?
He should be.

If Packer upper management are asking how they got here, they need only to look in the mirror.
It's not Rodgers fault, or the receivers or tight ends fault they are, where they are.

How did they get here?
By ignoring the position since Jordy got shown the door and bad draft choices, especially 3rd round tight ends.
Sorry...guys like Devin Funchess, Ryan Grant,, J'Mon Moore, Amari Rodgers, ESB and even MVS, weren't the answers.

Here's the article about the Packers and how they handled the receiving talent in the past.

www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/29834/surrounding-aaron-ro...

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PhantomII's picture

September 13, 2022 at 06:06 am

If our QB#1 was not SO GREEDY....We could have a better WR at the top. Nobody comes to GB because of AR...Why would they.....They're not gonna get paid...He is though. The idea was to build the defense up but, the WR room has been neglected for a long time. HOF QB play is suppose to elevate the room.....We have a QB that is in his ways and unlikely to put in the xtra time it takes to get these guys up to speed. A lot of QB's get together in the off season with WR's if they have post season mentality. Ours is one foot in retirement every year and has never put in the xtra for younger guys in the offseason as far as I know.

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T7Steve's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:30 am

The NFL wants to put the onus on the players. They put the cap on to make sure they get their money. You can't expect a player who has a limited time, not to get as much as he can. Don't blame Rodgers or Adams for cashing in while they can.

That's the union in me speaking but, the cap was first invented to keep play even, now all the teams are worth billions and still get over half of all the players make for them.

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PhantomII's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:19 pm

He's been getting his for 18 years and since I remember better than you I remember AR whining 2 years before his contract was up about a redo because someone he didn't deem worthy was being paid more than him...and he didn't like it. He was placated.

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Since'75's picture

September 14, 2022 at 11:45 pm

Phantom....You seem to have a lot of obsessive anger and hate towards Rodgers in all your post.

I won't give you or anyone a thumbs down, that isn't my style.

But i do hope you feel better someday.

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PhantomII's picture

September 15, 2022 at 06:06 am

AR has all the skill in the world to be the greatest at what he does. The ideal QB is Brady type. Takes less money for at least 1 more skill player and just moves the chains...gets rid of the ball swiftly and keeps chugging the ball toward the end zone....He get's his team fired up on the sideline. It's more frustration with all that potential that will never be shown to our team especially when it counts most...the post season. Unless the defense gets it together in a big way and comes up with pick sixes in the post season. We are doomed to repeat this perpetual loop of failure in the post season. The Lions, Vikings and potentially Bears are improving. I don't think we can any longer walk in any of these venues and say we got this without a better effort.

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Since'75's picture

September 15, 2022 at 10:32 am

Take less money?
That's essentially (indirectly) Rodgers paying for his own skilled players. Interesting concept.
Is there any guarantee that the Packers would use that money on a skilled player for Rodgers?
Or would the Packers sign another Jimmy Graham for 10 million a year?
Or spend 182 million mostly on defensive players in free agency (in two weeks) back in 2019.
Or would the Packers trade up and draft a QB to sit on the bench for years instead of adding talent on the field when the team was on the cusp of going to the Super bowl?
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Last i checked it wasn't Rodgers responsibility to provide the team with skilled players on the roster by taking less money.

Well, i guess there is only 1 Tom Brady "Type"
Can we clone him?
Probably not, so we are stuck with Aaron Rodgers
Or, if you prefer...Jordan Love.
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Couldn't the Packers have drafted skill players for Rodgers?
Probably.
Since 2011, how many 1st round picks have been spent on talent to surround Rodgers?
ZERO.
Every 1st round pick since '11 has been spent on defense, only one 1st round pick has been used on an offensive player the last 12 years. His name is Jordan Love.
He doesn't play, doesn't contribute on the field.
This may go down as one of the dumbest draft picks taken when your team has been 1 game away from the SB with a HOF QB, two years in a row.

So whose fault is it Phantom....
Rodgers for not taking a paycut, or the Packers braintrust?

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PhantomII's picture

September 15, 2022 at 09:16 pm

Both, Mainly Gute not picking Jefferson at #20 pairing him with Adams for a few years on the cheap. That's what I would have done. ML not training up more than 2-RB's and abandoning the run is another problem.

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Since'75's picture

September 13, 2022 at 01:07 pm

Ahhhh...Roger haterade....lol
Did Rodgers neglect the wr room?
Or is it his fault because he took a market value contract?
Or is everything just Aaron Rodgers fault, because he's Aaron Rodgers?

Don't forget to purchase your Jordan Love Jersey, before they trade our 1st round bench player for a 4th or 5th round pick after declining his 5th year option at the end of this season.

Just imagine if Gute traded up for Justin Jefferson instead of Jordan Love....
Ohhhhh, the possibility's

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PhantomII's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:26 pm

Market setting contract. His #1 WR didn't want to play with him any more. As I say Jefferson at #20 was the pick and him and Adams together was a missed opportunity for 2 Super Bowl wins. If Adams walks we have fresh #1 WR and the picks from Adams. Win Win...I don't hate Rodgers...He's just not all that and a bag of chips. I could name 5 QB's I'd take over him now. He does not play well in the playoffs.

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Since'75's picture

September 14, 2022 at 11:31 pm

His #1 receiver (Adams) didn't want to play with Rodgers anymore?

Did Adams say this somewhere, or do you just have deep, deep, deep inside information?

Did ummm ...Davante Adams tell you this?

Can we stop making up baseless fiction?

Thank you for understanding.

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Since'61's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:01 am

Since'75, first I appreciate your generous comments in your opening sentence.

I agree that the Packers receiving room looks pretty weak right now. However, they can and hopefully will improve as the season goes on. They need to learn their routes and run them crisply. Next they need to catch the ball. Yes, there will be drops that is part of the game but they need to make the catches when the ball is thrown accurately and on time. In the MLF offense blocking is also a core skill for the receiving corps. All of this should be improved with coaching and practice.

The problem I see is that our veteran receivers, Cobb and Watkins, don't scare anyone and they may not be adequate to get the offense through until Doubs and Watson improve. Winfree may become one of our best options during the early part of the season.

The other approach is to utilize our RBs more often both in the ground game and the passing game. We should have run the ball more often during the Viking game and we should call more run plays as we go forward. The Packers fortunate to have 2 RBs who are excellent receivers and Jones in particular is a matchup problem for defenses and once he is in space he cans core from anywhere on the field. We need to force the defense to focus on the RBs and this in turn should create one on one opportunities for our receivers.

The other key is our OL. They must be more effective in run and pass blocking than they were against the Vikings.
Any offense only goes as far as their OL takes them regardless of how well the skill players can play. 4 sacks and 5 QB hits in unacceptable especially given that Rodgers will soon be 39.

Management's expectation that Rodgers can make his receivers better is only true if he gets protection from the OL and if the receivers run their routes correctly. After that Rodgers accuracy can take over.

Now is the time to forget the Vikings game, start over, and see how the team responds in this week's game against the Bears. GPG! Thanks, Since '61

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Since'75's picture

September 13, 2022 at 01:01 pm

We disagree a touch 61....
Our problem isn't our veterans (although they could be utilized more one would think)

The problem is starting a season with either rookies, or veterans way past their prime.
The problem is.....being in this position to begin with.

And you are correct, you couple that with starters out on the O line, a defense who got clearly outcoached, and yes, they maybe should have relied on the run more.

In the past, the offense could have taken over and scored enough points to still win this game.
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And again, you are correct...the receiver room will get better with time i have no doubt. The sin is...starting out here at ground zero. They have nowhere to go but up.
But as we all know, it takes most receivers awhile to acclimate to the NFL and Rodgers.
Once again....a draft and develop team should not be relying on rookie receivers. Or any team for that matter.

Before the season, we all just kind of thought the receiver and tight end room was a problem on this team. And that the running game and defense will get us through those growing pains.

I think for the 1st time in awhile, we as Packer fans are actually concerned about a Bear game. Imagine that right?

But lets just hope, a bear game victory is exactly what we need at this point to put this viking game behind us.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:27 pm

The 4th and goal play was doomed from the start. The shotgun rpo runs on short yardage fail time and time again but they keep doing it cuz Rodgers just has to have the option to throw. God forbid they grow a pair, lineup with some tight ends and a fullback on the field, and let AJ Dillon carry the pile. Instead they give it to him out of shotgun where he has to come to almost a complete stop at the mesh point. Thats all Rodgers. Go back to Lafleur's 1 year with the Titans and you'll rarely, if ever, see Derrick Henry running out of shotgun. It was all singleback and i-form runs where Henry would get the ball with a head of steam running towards the line of scrimmage. But Rodgers wont allow that in Green Bay.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 06:18 pm

If you can't line up any personnel group and gain ONE yard, then what the hell have you been doing in practice?

I'm an old Power I guy. You wedge block at the point of attack,(over Runyan) you slam the lead blocker in there (even if it's a defensive lineman) with the ball carrier and move the pile. That's what I like. I remember the Fridge running over George Cumby, the midget linebacker.

An alternative is using a younger, more mobile QB and run an RPO. I like that choice, too. You could run Wildcat.

I don't like slamming Dillon into the pile behind a weak line. I don't think that was a very good choice, because kicking a FG would have been better than a play that was "doomed from the start".

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Lphill's picture

September 12, 2022 at 06:27 pm

It’s one game RELAX or find another team to hate on.

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Since'75's picture

September 13, 2022 at 12:44 pm

It's a discussion board, are we allowed to discuss what we saw?

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Starrbrite's picture

September 12, 2022 at 07:14 pm

My disappointment is much as last year, when I spent my 401k to attend and watch us be clobbered by the Saints.
Like then, the Packers looked flat, uninspired, unprepared.
It reminded me much of many of McCarthy’s teams playing lifeless football in highly flaunted contests; I remember specifically the Packers/Broncos nationally televised game when we were both 6-0–and we crapped the bed.
In any case, it would be outstanding to see our defense next week,
flying to the ball like we’re in the SB.
We’ll see —Go Packers!!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:29 pm

And whos the constant between those two eras? Start with that guy. Hes problem #1.

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frankthefork's picture

September 12, 2022 at 07:21 pm

I have to jump around a little since I'm a little tired from the trip up to Miny.
Wow the US Bank stadium is beautiful and loud vs the aged Lambeau Field. Thoughts?

Oh lordy this GB Packers team needs O-line help and fast. Poor play is not acceptable on every snap, a few can be expected per game. But when Runyon left, it caused more issues going forward than the one-time Watson- I Can't Catch A TD Pass.
And the Chibears match on Sunday night will not be a pushover either.

Imo the drop was a huge game-changer play, yes, but it's just the first game for our Rookie and team. I think the Packers' starters should have played at least a quarter of preseason to adjust from practice speed tendencies' to game time. Cause it showed and the fans knew it. All the timing and being a game of inches matters come game time and game speed. Yeah-Wrong cuts and turns happen on occasion.

Beginning to believe LaFleur is too soft on these special 22 starters, and now the 22 have bruised egos to go with a losing record and bruised body, which may or may not show up in 6 days' time.

Special teams are still very bad, and the lack of pass rush to go with the loose coverage didn't help.
Always take points when probable- thought MLF learned this 2 years ago.
The must-win games are division games and the clock is ticking. Hope the boys right the wrongs quickly.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

September 12, 2022 at 09:02 pm

FF,
Seriously?

"I have to jump around a little since I'm a little tired from the trip up to Miny.
Wow the US Bank stadium is beautiful and loud vs the aged Lambeau Field. Thoughts"?

Been to both stadiums many times and cannot even believe one would question which stadium is better? WOW!

From getting to the stadium, the parking, the zero ability to tail-gate, to the stadium Lambeau Field trounces US Bank Stadium much like the Vikings trounced the Packers on Sunday. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

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Hematite's picture

September 13, 2022 at 07:50 am

I spent two nights in that stadium watching the Final Four tournament in 2019.
I thought that the stadium was a dump!
But had I been at a football game it may have been a better place.
But I doubt it!

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 06:30 pm

1. Lambeau Field is a shrine, full of history. US Banks a bird-slaughtering igloo for one of the most embarassing franchises possible.

2. "Special Teams are still very bad". You're gonna need to explain that to me. No turnovers, no penalties, no long returns, no missed FGs.....what are you seeing?

3. What would you recommend for the line? Remember, we have a game Sunday and it's Tuesday already. Who are we lining up? Who are the reserves.? I mean, we started the season with 10. We play the best five, which on paper would be Bakhtiari, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Jenkins. Our backups would be Nijman, Tom, Rhyan, Walker, Hanson.

That's it. There's no other options back in the stock room...all we have is what you can see on the shelf.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 12, 2022 at 09:06 pm

MLFs line ups are pissing me off as much as MM. I'm starting to think this wil be Rodger's last year in Green Bay and his leaving will not be as a Champion.

I have the overwhelming feeling he only wants to win his way and on his terms . Good luck with that it is still a team sport with teammates that depend on you too!

I can accept losing a game but I cannot accept such self inflicted losses with no clue about adjustments.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:31 pm

"He only wants to win his way and on his terms." Bingo! You hit the rotted nail right on the head. Lafleur's hands are tied. This is Rodgers' sorry offense. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:14 pm

Thanks. Maybe if Lombardi's ghost visited him in a Christmas Carol hallucination there might be hope before it's too late?

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Pierre's picture

September 12, 2022 at 09:07 pm

To insinuate that one dropped pass by Watson caused the Packers offense to flounder is ludicrous. Rodgers had the whole game to get this offense going and played QB like a rookie. He again held the ball too long, took sacks and refused to throw vertically to veteran receivers Cobb, Watkins, and Tonyan. Same old story lines…trying to come up with excuses for Rodgers poor QB play year after year. It’s pathetic when he alone has never proven clutch or good against playoff teams. Let’s remember he had Davante Adams against the 49ers last year and Rodgers could not score a TD in the red zone for three quarters of football. Then they blamed the Packers special teams for the loss at home. It was all on Rodgers ineptitude at QB in a pressure playoff game where Rodgers always chokes. His losing playoff record speaks volumes all by itself.

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UGDR's picture

September 12, 2022 at 10:17 pm

Pretty sure you misspelled Troy Williamson.

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Greenandgoldmemories's picture

September 12, 2022 at 10:38 pm

The biggest swing in the game happened in the first half when Z Smith came down the line and tackled Dillion for no gain on a fourth and goal. Vikings took over, drove down the field and tacked on a field goal to make it 10-0. A first-play pass drop? Get real.

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dobber's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:20 am

Dillon was already stood up and stopped by the time Z got there. That play had no hope from the start.

I thought that down had play action written all over it, with the little flat pass to the TE running to the pylon...but in rewatching, that probably gets blown up, too.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 13, 2022 at 09:43 am

LaFleur should have learned by now to take the points. It was early in the Game. We can expect Tom in the lineup. Wallace is probably more stout than Newman on the corner.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:46 am

Conventional Wisdom is that you take the points, because the hardest points to get on the board are the first points.

Of course, I question Conventional Wisdom quite a bit, but in this case, it's true. First points of the entire season. Get on the board. I wanted us to go for it, because I think that a good offense should be able to gain one yard on one play, especially when they can use any personnel grouping and call any play they want. But this probably wasn't the time to try to risk so much on it.

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You start the season with 10 offensive linemen and you hope that you have enough. Then #1 and #2 aren't available, so you're starting #6 and #7. Then #4 gets hurt, and you're starting #8. Your line at that point is :

#6 Nijman....who I think is our LT. I'm not expecting much from Bakhtiari.
#7 Tom
#3 Myers
#8 Hanson
#5 Newman, playing out of position.

This is temporary (I hope),but it illustrates that we have finite options. Right now, we're looking at Wallace and Jones if somebody gets hurt against the Bears. Everybody who is screaming "Get Rid Of Hanson" should think that through a little.

As I said, temporary. Jenkins is going to return, he'll be the RT, which will put Newman back at RG. Runyan will return, and that'll put Tom and Hanson back on the bench, where they belong right now.

A line of Nijman, Runyan, Myers, Newman, and Jenkins is going to look a lot better than the Nijman, Tom, Myers, Hanson, Newman configuration that we had out there against the Purple.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:50 am

They just signed Jones to the 53.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:38 pm

Going for it wasnt the problem. Trying (and failing yet again) with that stupid shotgun rpo on short yardage where Dillon has to come to a nearly complete stop at the mesh point is just flat out stupid. But Rodgers has to have his option to pass and keeping him happy is more important than winning these days.

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GregC's picture

September 13, 2022 at 06:43 am

When Watson dropped that pass, I immediately thought of the game at Buffalo in 2014, which the Packers lost to an inferior team. It cost them home field advantage in the playoffs--and we all know how THAT ended up. Early in the game, Jordy Nelson was wide open deep for an easy TD and dropped the pass. The Packers offense sputtered the rest of the day. Every receiver drops one of those at least once in awhile, but there's no denying that it is a huge momentum change.

I thought Watson was more involved in the game plan than he should've been, considering that he missed all of training camp. They went to him on a third-and-short late in the game, and he didn't even get his head around to see the ball. These are typical errors for a young player. I thought they should have tried to break him in more slowly.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:49 am

Thanks for that reminder. I thought of the loss in Tampa a few years ago, where we started off like a house on fire, then had back to back interceptions that were turned into 14 points and we never recovered. Or last year, in the playoffs, we never recovered after the Lewis fumble.

Is it truly possible that we don't recover well from an early kick in the nuts?

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:39 pm

Teams with no heart tend to crumble like that. Attitude reflects leadership and the face of the franchise is no leader at all.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:18 pm

It's been so long since I've seen this team recover from adversity. I can't even remember it. And I'm not young anymore

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 08:10 am

"This was likely compounded even more by the fact that Romeo Doubs ran a wrong route just two plays afterwards. Two rookies making two mistakes within three plays."

This is not accurate. They asked Rodgers about this after the game and he said he threw that pass away because of how the defender was breaking. Doubs did not run the wrong route. At least that's what Tom Silverstein said on the post-game Green 19 podcast.

I don't buy the argument that there was a lack of trust in their young players. And I assume here the author is speaking strictly of the WRs, not Quay Walker, Zach Tom, etc. As far as the WRs, Doubs got targeted quite a few times and I thought responded well for a rookie. I do think the Watson drop affected Rodgers' trust in Watson. A catch there would have done a lot for the confidence of both Watson and Rodgers. I'm more worried about Rodgers moving forward. He needs Watson to develop. Missing the preseason hurt this kid a lot. I think if he would have played in a few games prior he would have pulled that catch in and scored. Rodgers needs to be a leader and help develop these young receivers.

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Packers1985's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:55 am

"Rodgers needs to be a leader and help develop these young receivers." Agreed with your comments there and also we dont have an alpha wr to nurture these wr's like previous years.

This has been my only complait against gutey is that he drafts all his wr's in 1 yr and nothing after that till this yr think that would fix the problem. We need a wr to be drafted every yr atleast in the later rounds(except for rodgers whom didnt show much yet) and see if he turns out to be good one atleast that wont pressure us like this year where we want all our wr's to develop or make less rookie mistakes on the fly.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:57 am

Aaron Rodgers threw 12 incomplete passes. He was 22 for 34. He also got sacked 4 or 5 times.

The first one to Watson
Then the one you mentioned.
A bullet that bounced off Jones.
A force to a double covered Tonyan.
A heave of an interception.
A few throwaways.

In other words, on most of the dropbacks, people were open and he made a good throw. On some occasions, nobody was open and he threw it away. On other occasions, he took a sack, which he shouldn't do because it leads to injuries and turnovers. He's usually better about that.

I don't think the problem is Rodgers, or the receivers, or "trust'....I think the problem is that Rodgers didn't have enough protection some of the time. If you want to successfully pass the ball, the first rule is you have to protect your QB and give him time.

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Packers1985's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:09 am

You are right on this. Our success starts with our oline and need to fix our oline ASAP.
We should stop toying too much with our oline otherwise it'll impact their rythm like it did in both of our playoffs.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:43 pm

Oline is hurt, #1 receiver hurt, and theyre playing 2 rookies. So what do they do? Throw twice as many passes as runs. Its literally the same story over and over again. Good defenses will just come out and play against the pass and shut them down cuz they know this team will literally never lean on the run. Imagine being Z Smith or Danielle Hunter knowing full well theyre gonna pass 2 out of every 3 plays. You just pin your ears back and go eat. Theyre literally inviting defenses to just attack the quarterback. They must find balance but we all know thats never going to happen with 12 under center. Never in a million years.

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Packers1985's picture

September 13, 2022 at 10:38 am

Hopefully this is like the last yr first game thing against Saints and we bounced back well after that game. Things to worry are that we dont have a quality or experienced oline like we do last yr whom we could easily plug in and play into multiple positions if needed in a game. But this yr with inexperience in this group worries me a bit. On top of it we have very depleted wr receiver our wr1 have a max of 600 yds season.
During this offseason everybody expected that defense can only take a step forward with all the additions and into the second yr in barry's system but the team looked clueless against vikings last sunday.

If you look at all the top teams they either have big time weapons or a great oline and i am afraid we dont have both. Only time will tell.
Go Pack Go

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:03 am

Chicago isn't nearly as good on offense as the Vikings are. Cousins-to-Jefferson is a better weapon than Fields to St.Brown. Dalvin Cook is better than David Montgomery. And don't even get me started on that feeble excuse of an offensive line Chicago has. It's a good thing for Fields that he can run.

Last week, we held an above average offense on their own field to 23. This week, we should be able to hold a below average offense, on the road, to less than that.

A lot of those "top teams" lost this weekend, didn't they? Rams? SF? Cincinnati?

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T7Steve's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:08 am

I just posted this earlier but, did you hear they just signed Caleb Jones to the active roster?

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Leatherhead's picture

September 13, 2022 at 06:40 pm

I love this dude's story, and his potential.

You want 9 OL on the gameday roster. Your 5 starters and 4 backups. But three of our preferred starters are out, so we're already down to #9 in order, which is guys like Hanson and Walker and......Caleb Jones.

Ready or not, this team is one injury away from having to play Caleb Jones.

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Packers1985's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:26 am

Agreed Vikings are a far superior team than the bears but again we can never underestimate anyone in this league. On a given day any team can beat any team in this league.

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PatrickGB's picture

September 13, 2022 at 11:38 am

It wasn’t exactly a trick play but it was designed to stress and probably fool the defense. I am not sure if it would have worked twice. My guess from all the statements from our coaches before the game was that we were going to run the ball a lot. Instead we threw long on the first play. They had great defense line pressure the rest of the game to force Rodgers to throw short.

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crayzpackfan's picture

September 13, 2022 at 04:02 pm

A few months ago MLF was on (if I am remembering correctly) The Dan Patrick show? Anyway he was asked a direct question that I think at the time was sort of meant to be silly. However, it got very cringy and a nervous MLF answered it in a serious manner.
The question? When you and Aaron get into a discussion on the sidelines about what plays should be run, who sort of wins out in those moments? MLF answered with a nervous look, Oh Aaron for sure. Most every time time I’ll just defer to him. It got awkwardly silent from both men for a couple seconds then the cringe of nervous laughter from both.
He didn’t even have to think about his answer. Even if it wasn’t true, his answer, for the world to see, was swift and automatic that Rodgers was the man. I thought that 30 seconds of time to be telling.
MLF does the ironing, dishes, and laundry while Rodgers sits on the recliner watching the Kardashians with a scotch and a sandwich that MLF made him.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

September 13, 2022 at 05:46 pm

Lafleur's hands are tied behind his back. He got his marching orders from Murphy to keep Rodgers happy at all costs. Thats become more important than winning at this point and it shows.

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Rossonero's picture

September 13, 2022 at 09:58 pm

What bugs me is a great observation from Andy Herman on Pack A Day Podcast, during a conversation with Aaron Nagler:

I don't know what it is, but when the Packers fall behind, they panic.

It's almost palpable; you can feel it in the air. The impatience to get even or retake the lead is so great that it leads to bad decisions in the form of bad play calls.

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