Film Review: Can Kevin King Become a Number One Corner?

The lack of movement at cornerback this offseason has many Packer fans concerned with the current depth, or lack thereof, at the cornerback position. Green Bay has only made two moves at the cornerback position this offseason; trading away top corner Damarious Randall and re-signing Herb Waters. They also have yet to bring back free agent Davon House, who started a season ago.

Randall has absolutely had his issues over the past few seasons in Green Bay. His benching against Chicago and his comments made after the season likely sealed his fate. That said, Randall was unquestionably Green Bay’s best corner through the last 12 weeks of the season and really looked to turn the corner as a promising young defensive back. Randall wasn’t a top starter and he had his deficiencies but up to that point, he was the best Green Bay had.

Meanwhile this offseason, Marcus Peters was traded to Los Angeles, Trumaine Johnson, Malcolm Butler, Aaron Colvin, Richard Sherman, Patrick Robinson, Rashaan Melvin, Sam Shields,  Morris Claiborne, Travis Carrie, Orlando Scandrick, and D.J. Hayden have all found new homes. While Green Bay did try and sign Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet, it was always a move that was never going to come to fruition.

So where does that leave Green Bay currently? Obviously, Green Bay is likely to add additional depth either on the secondary market or via the draft, but a lot of pressure is about to be placed on last year’s top draft pick, Kevin King. Barring a blockbuster trade, it’s hard to imagine a scenario in which Kevin King doesn’t enter the season as Green Bay’s number one corner on the depth chart. Even if Green Bay were to bring back Tramon Williams or Davon House, or sign a player such as Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, E.J. Gaines, or Ross Cockrell, the hope and expectation would be for King to be the player lined up against the opposing teams’ number one receiver.

Whether King is ready and up for that challenge is the subject of today’s film review. Can Kevin King be a number one corner in his second season in Green Bay?

When reviewing King’s work from a season ago, as well as some of his college video, it’s easy to see why Green Bay was so high on him coming out of college. His ridiculous size, speed, and athleticism will consistently put him in a position to make plays, even if his technique isn’t always 100% sound. At 6’3”, 200 pounds with 32 inch arms and the ability to run a 4.43 – 40 yard dash, a 6.56 - 3-cone and a 3.89 - short shuttle; he’s simply a genetic freak at cornerback. When it comes to athleticism, King can line up against anyone.

The first thing that showed up on tape was King’s ability to be physical in the run game and make tackles in the open field. Maybe this isn’t the primary responsibility of a corner, but his aggressive playing style and fearless attitude are certainly welcome traits. His tackles on Telvin Coleman and Zeke Elliott certainly show exactly that type of mentality:

The next thing I saw was someone who has the ability to matchup one-on-one with a player like Julio Jones. He wasn’t fully ready for the challenge yet (few are), but there were flashes that showed he could stick with one of the league’s best players:

On the flip side, he was also matched up against the likes of Julio, A.J. Green, and Antonio Brown, where the opposing receiver was able to find plenty of space and make uncontested catches:

The biggest flaw that came up consistently in King’s game was his inability to shut down receivers who were running slants and in-breaking routes. This showed up multiple times and is something to keep an eye on moving forward. Teams started attacking this with more consistency as the season wore on:

It’s absolutely worth noting that King was playing with a bum shoulder, and his inability to jam receivers and keep them from going inside could have absolutely been a result of his shoulder issues. Either way, it’s going to be something King has to improve before he’s ready to be a top-tier cornerback.

Lastly, King needs to master his technique and Green Bay needs to put him in better positions to be successful. Below you can see a play where King is at his best. He’s able to jam the receiver at the line of scrimmage, use his speed to play ahead of the receiver, turn around, and make a play on the ball. This is fantastic from King and shows the ability he has when his technique is sound and he’s put in a position to succeed. One would have to believe Pettine will utilize King’s strengths’ better than Capers did a season ago.

It’s tough to get a full grasp of King’s ability because he did play with the injury for so much of last year. He also was playing against top tier receivers and with a pass rush that consistently wasn’t putting pressure on the quarterback; making his job much more difficult. What I saw was a player full of potential who needs to hone his craft. This isn’t unexpected for a rookie cornerback. The talent is there, however, and If King can continue to improve his technique he will have the ability to be a really good corner in this league.

While I think it’s too early to anoint him a number one cornerback, if he can develop into a really good number two this season, it’ll be a very strong start for Green Bay’s secondary that is in desperate need of a rebuild.

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Since'61's picture

March 22, 2018 at 04:48 pm

What I can't understand is that when a Packet player has an obvious problem, such as King with slants and inside moves, it seems that the player is never coached up on how to correct and or adjust to the problem. This article's clearly shows that King was having a problem covering slants week after week.

Joe Whitt is supposed to be a great CB coach. Where was he when King was struggling with slants week after week after week? This is a simple coaching issue to correct and it apparently didn't happen. Now, if King was coached up and he could not make the necessary adjustments then we have a problem with the player. In which case King will never be a number 1or 2 corner, or even in the league. Thanks, Since '61

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Tundraboy's picture

March 22, 2018 at 04:52 pm

Adjustments are always made glacially slow in many areas. I hope that ends this year.

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 11:03 am

Glacially from Tundra boy... gotta love it!!!!!!!!

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GBPDAN1's picture

March 23, 2018 at 12:58 am

Good points, Since 61. Let's hope King gets coached up and makes big strides this year, we need it.

On a separate note, T. Williams is back. It's a start, hope we get this secondary right before training camp. Would love to see our team have a bounce back year and make a deep run into the playoffs. We need DBs, pass rush, outside speed receiver, OL help / depth. Hope this mini roster rebuild doesn't cost another year of Rodgers prime. TT missing on draft picks recently has put us in somewhat of a bind. Getting a few pieces in FA, a solid draft and better coaching (mostly D) should make us contenders (especially with Rodgers back)

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 11:36 am

I’d like to see MORE than just “a deep run”...

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kevgk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 06:06 pm

Oh cmon man, covering slants is one of the hardest things to do on the individual and team level, especially with underachieving linebackers and safeties. Is he supposed to give hime a pep talk and the weaknesses of a rookie with an injured pressing shoulder will go away? It can take a long time for technique like that to go improve especially with out pass rush to benifit from a good press messing up the timing of the route. Not to mention he was lined up against boundary recievers so he wouldnt know theyre running a slant until it happens. Add the fact that no safety or backer is there to help him and no duh he gets abused.
TLDR: cornerback can be the most skill intensive and longest to develop position on the defense.

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Since'61's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:25 pm

Ok, so we'll just keep making excuses and more excuses for poor play that is never corrected. That what has gone on for at least seven seasons while Capers was here. Yes, I know it takes time to develop CBs. I have been watching them play a lot longer than you have. The point is that it is not just King or CBs that have played poorly on the Packers defense. Tackling and technique have been poor for several seasons at OLB, ILB, CB and Safety for years. We see the same mistakes over and over. The players changed but the defense has remained porous. King's play during 2017 is just one example among many. Thanks, Since '61

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Minniman's picture

March 23, 2018 at 02:33 am

Good point Since 61'.

I really hope that Mike Pettine puts the Secondary's love of the chop-block style tackle under the microscope.

Perhaps start by deconstructing how Seattle's secondary operate - they hold the leagues lowest rate of missed tackles.

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Handsback's picture

March 23, 2018 at 07:50 am

As mentioned...King had a bad shoulder. He couldn't bring his elbow much higher than his shoulder without it coming out of it's socket. Even at that...he had no strength to push back and keep those routes from starting. I had/have the identical problem and even with surgery, it still pops out. Mine happend in "69 so I hope there has been improvement in the medical field. Frankly, I'm surprised he was able to do as well as he did. Watch this year, he could be a real shut down physical corner.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 23, 2018 at 08:11 am

'61'. This is where film cannot tell the whole story. Packers adjusted the coverage scheme to take account of Kings bad shoulder. Most of the game the Packer defense was in 2 deep zone, or combo man-1high. By this point Whitt and Perry were looking for players healthy enough to play. What Andrews film does not show is Kings adjustment in game as as Big Ben went after him though out the game. Very impressive for a rookie. Looking forward to seeing what a healthy King does in the new system in the upcoming season.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

March 23, 2018 at 11:51 am

Could it be that Joe Whit is not really a great C/B coach?

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I bleed green more's picture

March 22, 2018 at 05:13 pm

Rumor is Tramon Williams is coming back, we will see.

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SpudRapids's picture

March 22, 2018 at 05:30 pm

Rumor is true

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:00 pm

Good, I'm happy that room is going to have a veteran.

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Minniman's picture

March 22, 2018 at 05:16 pm

Thanks Andrew, what a good article.

Since '61. In there was a comment that King may have benefited from being able to Press his man, but injury and (perhaps) game plan prevented this.

On that topic, Press coverage (or the 2017 Packers reluctance to use it) was an oft talked about "issue".

I'm really interested to see what a healthy King will do in his second year, especially with one (TW) and maybe 2 veteran FA's to help.

I'm also really keen to see Quinten Rollins and Josh Jones this year.

Rollins did some good things in his rookie year and I wonder if a role as a situational player - and not an heir apparent - might help his overall game. Being healthy should help too

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Slim11's picture

March 22, 2018 at 05:37 pm

I'm also curious about Rollins. What intrigues me more than anything is the silence about Rollins from the GB front office.

Randall and Burnett are gone. Rollins is still in GB. Is it because there's something Pettine saw on tape which he likes? Could it be Whitt is recommending Pettine give Rollins a hard look because of his injury history and relative inexperience as a DB in college?

The silence I referred to is the most interesting aspect of the Rollins situation.

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Ryan Graham's picture

March 22, 2018 at 10:28 pm

Classic Capers. Run all out zone in the secondary and play corners 8-10 yards off the line. essentially the kind of defense to kill the clock, tackle down, like when you have a big lead. But the twist was that Capers ran that on first down. Then second down, and also third down. Losing by three to four scores. 3-4 defense does not operate effectively with how smart QBs are and quick to find those holes in the zone. Totally classic Capers.

physical man coverage is a must. Get your hands on them and take them off their route timing kind of man coverage. I believe, just as I do everyone else on this defensive unit, King will get better with a philosophy change in that secondary and in Mike Pettine's defense.

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NickPerry's picture

March 23, 2018 at 04:50 am

"Run all out zone in the secondary and play corners 8-10 yards off the line"

Watching it over and over again here was like reliving a bad dream. I will NEVER understand the Packers playing 10 yards off play after play after play...ERRRRR!!!

Here's to hoping King will be able to get in the weight room and get stronger before the season starts. Shoulder surgery was a must but so is getting stronger. There's no denying the kids athletic ability that's for sure.

I'm thrilled T Williams will be back in GB. Can't blame him for leaving in first place but once more you have to wonder WHY Thompson never offered him a contract either. My God the talent Thompson let walk out the door without as much as an offer OR low-balling the hell out of the player is SO F***ing disturbing IMO. WHAT..Your over 30, turning 30, almost 30? You gotta go!

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Tundraboy's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:22 pm

The silence about Goodson is more disturbing.

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dobber's picture

March 23, 2018 at 04:59 am

Wouldn't it be more disturbing if all they could do is talk him up?

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Finwiz's picture

March 22, 2018 at 06:54 pm

I have zero expectations for Rollins.
Unless he gets different coaching to change things, I don't see much potential there. With the same coaching in place, I doubt he's going to improve all that much.
He's a 5th-6th DB at best, and I'd say he'll be on the bubble to make the final 53.

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JDK52's picture

March 22, 2018 at 06:01 pm

Bringing in Tramon could(should) be great for King's continued development. He's got so much grit and athleticism I think the sky's the limit for him. Plus, I can imagine plenty of situations where Tramon gets the crafty veteran WR while King is tasked with taking out the young speedy guy on the outside. Hopefully we get to see more of these guys playing to their strengths?

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 06:29 pm

It's always interesting the way a player is viewed in light of their draft status. Had Kevin King been a 5th round pick and done what he did his rookie year NOBODY would think he was the answer at CB1. The fact that he was the 1st pick of the 2nd round sets the mind to conclude that he must be good and because of that, looking back, he looks better than he actually was.

I think Kevin King looks a lot more likely to not be an answer than being one. The justification is he was playing hurt and that's why he couldn't run with people? Sure, he can't jam like he could with a good shoulder but was he pressing at the line? He tackled just fine, actually quite well, so his shoulder can't possibly be cited as an issue for not covering well.

Leave off the 1st round label and a desire for him to be answer where we have none currently and I think that's tipping the scales toward saying he is an answer that he isn't.

Man, I hope I'm wrong. I watched Bryce Treggs blow by him like he was standing still in pre-season and I don't think I saw him able to run vertically down the field with anyone all year. He looks like a nice run support corner like Josh Jones at S but neither guy can cover like you need them...so far.

Hopes are not high for King in my eyes judging strictly off the first year and throwing all the flimsy excuses for him out the window. If King had looked like a player almost every critique of him wouldn't throw the shoulder excuse in there...there'd be no need for it. It's cited only because he did not look good.

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Finwiz's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:01 pm

This is the honest truth, that I hope is incorrect, but I think it's likely not.
One can only hope the injury was effecting him significantly.
If King isn't a player, the Packer secondary has BIG problems in 2018.

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JDK52's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:10 pm

Here we go again...

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 08:01 pm

Is there a reply to what I typed or just a mockery of what I typed?

A player doesn't look good...so, I say he didn't look good. That's fair. The ones who don't say he didn't look good don't say he did look good, they say up and down and cite the shoulder and being a rookie. Translation: Trying to justify seeing a player not look good but wishing he had. Pretty similar to what is said about Josh Jones minus the shoulder injury excuse. Neither player looked good but being high picks and a desire to wish them to be coupled with the team need for them to be and trash looks like treasure in the funhouse mirror.

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JDK52's picture

March 22, 2018 at 08:13 pm

You're vastly overreacting to a Rookie playing with a difficult injury. I don't have response to your specific points beyond that because I feel that alone perfectly encapsulates the flaws in your analysis.

A rookie. Playing inured. C'mon, man!

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:03 pm

Overreacting? That's exactly what I think when someone doesn't acknowledge he didn't have a very good rookie season.

You believe the over-conservative with injuries Packers played King game after game knowing he was hurt? Don't overturn the Marty B. ruling, NFL. That's what we do in Green Bay?

He was injured and a rookie... those are both factual statements. So are these two... Kevin King didn't look good his rookie season as a cover guy while looking very good as a tackler. Kevin King did not look "good" or "promising" as a CB1. What's wrong here? The only thing wrong is the desire to spin Kevin King into a CB1 based on wishful thinking with zero evidence and then using two excuses (rookie and injured) as why he'll be better. Your position is built on excuses and wishing. Mine is based on his play. It would be fair for you to say...Kevin King wasn't good his rookie season but I believe it was due to him being injured and a rookie. Nothing wrong with believing that even though there's no evidence at the NFL level that it's true. Nothing wrong with pointing out the truth that he didn't look good and based on that he's more likely to not be an answer than be one. Where is the flaw?

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JDK52's picture

March 22, 2018 at 10:23 pm

That's very different than what you said in your first comment.

I'm not using a single excuse for any position you seem to suggest I have-in fact, I don't believe you can find my position stated anywhere here. All I do is state facts and suggest we wait and see on a ROOKIE.

You've been shockingly quick to judge people based on minimal information and rumors. Let them get through the offseason at the very least before you eviscerate them.

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 10:58 pm

Shockingly quick? Eviscerate? Nope. Told you what I saw and it's you who is eviscerating me.

What do we have to go on? His rookie year. If I said Aaron Jones looked great his rookie season, I would be telling the truth and would have evidence to back my claim and you wouldn't disagree nor caution me at all about my opinion. Why do you when it's still the truth but just not the truth you like? Looking great vs. not looking good? Both are true. Both are Packers. I have no agenda at all. Do you? I'm not sure what else it could be if you have issue with me telling the truth about a player in his rookie season. You have the need to make last year not last year based on your desire for him to actually be what he was drafted to be. I get it. We all want every Packers player to be a star. Reality is many are scrubs from 1st rounders to UDFAs.

I wrote in this thread that it isn't some final judgment that King will continue to not look good. You seem to be offended by me stating the truth that he didn't look good? I'm glad you want him to be better, so do I but stretching and spinning to make King into something that there is no evidence for off of last year is a curious thing. Again, if you want to say he had a poor rookie season but you think his injury and being a rookie limited his talent from showing through that is fair. I don't believe that. I believe that he can't cover people and likely won't just because his shoulder is better. My hope rests in Pettine and the fact that the transition can be tough for DB's from college to pro. The really good ones are usually very good out of the gate like Lattimore. I can't think of a guy off the top of my head who wasn't good at all as a rookie corner and then all of a sudden was a CB1. I'm trying to think of any guy who was touted to be great coming into the NFL who wasn't for a few years, or even after his rookie season, and then was a shutdown corner. I'm drawing a blank but that is part of the basis for my belief that he's more likely to not be good than to be good.

Write a list of all the Packers high picks at CB, or in the NFL, who were bad as rookies who went on to be CB1's for us or any team. Drafthistory dot com is a great place to look at our past drafts and the other 31.

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holmesmd's picture

March 23, 2018 at 04:31 am

King not looking “good” is your opinion. I think you’re confusing your opinion as being fact. It is not. King looked fine last year as a rookie IMO. He has unreal metrics and I predict he will be a very good N.F.L. CB. These soliloquies of logic that you use to interject your opinion come across as off-putting sometimes. You seem quite knowledgeable but don’t be so defensive. It’s ok if not every fan here agrees with you. Chillax. Lol

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John Kirk's picture

March 23, 2018 at 07:44 am

Jeff Janis had unreal metrics also. Had as big of a fan club as King.

King did look fine as a tackler but not in coverage. Trying to understand where that is coming from?

Don't mean to be off putting. Trying to understand why a person sees as they see.

You think he'll be a player? So does every NFL team on their high picks. It's often not the case. The basis for King is built on his metrics and college performance...for you it's still those things. For me it's strictly about how he looked in the NFL.

Chillaxed.

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holmesmd's picture

March 25, 2018 at 03:39 pm

JRK,
How many rookie CB’s are “Revis Island” in their first year? In a defense with no pas rush, crappy zone concepts, squabbling in the class room, with one arm...? I’m wondering if your expectations are a bit too high. Ok, I’ll agree that we may not know EXACTLY what we have in King yet but that’s often the case. I’ve certainly not seen anything to suggest that he WILL NOT BE a very good CB either. Nick Collins didn’t break out until year#4! He was pretty good, right? We can both be “right” for now but I think you need to be a bit more patient and allow these players to develop in a more functional defensive system. You must acknowledge that very likely had an impact on the young man’s game tape. Hell, everyone on the back end looked lost at times! So the 23 y/o kid “can’t cover”?! Way to many confounding variables that were impactful to jump to that conclusion IMO. Welcome to Chillaxville man!:)

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John Kirk's picture

March 25, 2018 at 04:11 pm

Collins was a S for us and a CB in college. Yes, there's a transition time for a player moving positions.

I'm asking for ONE CB you can think of...just one. Tell me one we brought in who "developed". Not conversions from WR...a CB we drafted as a CB who improved into a lockdown CB? Do it for the entire NFL. Get me that list of guys who turned into CB1's after a year or two.

I understand you want King to be a shutdown CB. So do I. It's just extremely unlikely. It's not even likely he's a good CB. What we saw wasn't impressive from him in COVERAGE.

BTW, one little note...Nick Collins is younger than Tramon Williams. Think about that.

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 12:03 pm

JRK... not sure flaw is the correct verbiage. I look at King as what he was (is)... a rookie, 2nd round draft choice who played in a dinosaur defensive scheme (OR, one too difficult to understand!), drafted with a preexisting injury (per usual!), with limited help from his peers!!! Probably, however, the biggest issue in all of these scenarios is the fact that HE PLAYED WHILE SUFFERING WITH EXCRUCIATING PAIN. Any out here that have suffered with joint problems/pain know of what I preach!!! Let’s see what he does if/when (hopefully) he heals and gets into NFL playing condition... OK?

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holmesmd's picture

March 25, 2018 at 03:48 pm

The Bears drafted Fuller in R1 and his rookie season was a disaster. For much of the last 4 seasons, he’s either been hurt or meh, average. The common theme is that he played on a SHITTY DEFENSE the first 2 years, Fox comes in, defense minded guy....and they start fixing the defense. What happened? Surprise, Fuller played much better and was certainly an above average CB in 17! His rookie contract was absolute crap for most of it. The Bears didn’t write him off and we shouldn’t write King off! For the love of God can the man get a few seasons under his belt before we reserve judgement?! King was a very good cover corner at WU. I don’t think players suddenly forget how to cover. The PAC 12 has a ton of speed and very good WR’s. Give the young man a chance is all I’m saying.

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:04 pm

Good stuff, JS. There is no reason to be excited about Kevin King based on his coverage ability. Plenty to be excited about in him as a tackler. I can see he can tackle but I can also see he can't cover and that's backward for what you usually get from a CB1.

A player picked high is picked high for a reason. Half or more of them bust. How many years have fans of all 32 NFL teams touted their high draft picks only to realize that they were never any good? King and Jones had poor rookie seasons. That doesn't mean I have written them off just that the initial evidence at the NFL level shows they're not players. Perhaps, under Pettine that can and will change. I hope so. You could throw Biegel and Montravius into this conversation. Our Top 4 was poor. Not much different than 2015 draft the way it looks now.

If the Bears had drafted Kevin King and he had the exact same rookie season he did in Green Bay wouldn't you laugh if you read their fans were saying he was their CB1 for 2018? I would..and loudly. Fandom changes the game, though. I see King as if he wasn't a Packer. I judge his play solely on what I saw with no desire for anything to be true or not true and that's why he looked poor to me and "good" or "promising" to some others.

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Since'61's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:40 pm

John, I think that your reasoning and view about King's rookie season are spot on. I agree that he struggled last season. I believe that he still has some upside and hopefully under Pettine he will develop into a solid #2 CB.

I don't think we have our #1 shutdown CB on the roster yet. I also question if Joe Whitt is as good as his hype. He has done nothing with Hayward, Randall,(while had them) Rollins, House or King yet. After Shields, Williams (who is back) and Woodson, our CB play has been bad. It's either TTs drafting or Whitt's coaching or a combination of both. In any case it needs to get better or we're in for plenty of shootouts this season. Thanks, Since '61

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JDK52's picture

March 22, 2018 at 10:17 pm

So you're all willing to write the book on a guy with half a season of hurt playing time as a rookie? Give the guy time to develop before deciding where he fits.

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Since'61's picture

March 23, 2018 at 10:05 am

JD - I'm not writing the book either way on King. I'm just saying that based on what I have seen so far King does not look like he will be a #1 CB. But for all I know he could end up in the HOF and for the Packers sake I hope he becomes a HOFer. But for now all we have at this point is speculation and hope. Thanks, Since '61

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WIS2AZPACKERFAN's picture

March 23, 2018 at 01:56 pm

Since '61....two words.....Davante Adams.

This is the same things fans/critics were saying about Adams as a rookie and even more so in his 2nd year, when he was injured as well, and look where we are now. I am hopeful for a similar outcome with King.

Enjoy your take on things though. Keep up the good work!

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John Kirk's picture

March 23, 2018 at 06:32 pm

Davante Adams has nothing to do with Kevin King. Zero.

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Oppy's picture

March 22, 2018 at 10:43 pm

A number of years ago, I had serious questions about how good of a coach Joe Whitt Jr. was. I voiced those concerns on Jersey Al's old sight. At that time, I pointed out that for all the hoopla about how good Whitt was supposed to be, Charles Woodson was the only guy on the secondary who was proven (clearly not developed by Whitt), and a young upstart Tramon Williams was starting to come into his own- but I wasn't convinced it was all Joe Whitt's doing. Maybe Williams was an outlier and just a natural talent.

Since that time, Hayward, House, Shields, Williams were all developed by Joe Whitt. Shields and Williams were both UFAs, Shields being a WR convert. Hayward and House both played well in Green bay with the time afforded them, and both had great years after leaving Green Bay.. both still developed by Joe Whitt Jr. We even got some performance from a very young and inexperienced Rollins his rookie season. Not bad for guy who had only played CB one year in college. Seems to have done a decent job with Randall as well, a safety who many here said had no business playing CB to begin with.

I believe Joe Whitt Jr.'s ability to develop young talent into NFL CB's is proven at this point. Of course, now he's not doing it anymore. Lol.

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:03 pm

I am not a fan of Joe Whitt. I was absolutely horrified reading he was interviewing and reading rumors he was the leading candidate for DC. Can't believe he's still with us. I truly don't get it. Secondary sounded like an absolute crap hole not only on the field but with the other issues off it. I'm guessing Whitt played the Capers card hard, but I don't see how that worked considering MM continually praised Dom in the face of earned criticism year after year.

Would also say the same of Winston Moss, but that's too tangential.

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Oppy's picture

March 23, 2018 at 10:28 am

As far as Whitt goes, I absolutely love every presser I've ever seen him do. He's exactly the type of coach I want on my team. He's tough, honest, direct. and holds players accountable. Son of a career Coach. Nothing more I'd ask for in a coaching personality.

This guy has been tasked with taking ridiculously inexperienced and lower-talent players and making it work. Tramon and Shields exemplify the high end of this- taking undrafted guys, one a WR, and developing upper-echelon CB's out of them. Then there's Randall and Rollins, given to Whit and forced to play way too soon out of necessity, both position converts, young, and one with only a year of collegiate football experience. (although he did excel in that year). Let's not forget the miracle he pulled off LaDarius Gunter, again, out of necessity.

As far as supposedly being a leading candidate for DC? I hope not, that doesn't make sense, he doesn't have the background or experience. I would absolutely chalk that up to rumor. Did he interview? Sure, I'd buy that.

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 12:12 pm

Fin... this one’s fer you, buddy...

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 11:45 am

Affecting...

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MITM's picture

March 22, 2018 at 06:29 pm

Welcome back Tramon. Bashaud Breeland please please please.

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Oppy's picture

March 22, 2018 at 06:44 pm

Which shoulder did King injure? Every inside break that King allowed uncontested in the videos above was breaking to his left, which I assume would require him to jam or fight with his right arm so he isn't turning his shoulders/hips to the side line.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:01 pm

It really was to his left. I thought so too and wondered why he didn't play on the other side more.

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Lare's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:09 pm

I'll wait to judge King until after I've seen him practice and play in Pettine's scheme(s) for a while.

That he didn't excel in Capers scheme doesn't surprise me, no one did.

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Bure9620's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:17 pm

Yes, but maybe not in year 2, the length, which he knows how to use, the height, athleticism and technique. He definitely has the skills to be #1 corner, but he might still be a little rough in year 2.

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 22, 2018 at 07:58 pm

Can he?
I think so.
But nobody knows for sure, yet.

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dobber's picture

March 22, 2018 at 08:41 pm

Packers linked to Jordan Matthews. He's my favorite of the remaining WR, and would be a solid get.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2018/03/packers-host-wr-jordan-matthews

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:10 pm

If we add him, and I had to bet, I'd bet this was the end of the road for Randall Cobb. Perhaps, the money will be really really low for a guy coming off 3 injuries and we would keep both?

I loved Matthews back in his draft but he was more of the same kind of player we always take. A good solid WR lacking in speed. I have to believe he's slower now than ever after his injuries. He's better in the slot but he doesn't have the attributes of a slot guy. He'd be better than Geronimo on the outside but I think we need faster/better there.

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Bure9620's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:11 pm

What kind of speed?, play speed? he runs about a 4.43

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:10 pm

He ran the same time at the combine as Randall Cobb... 4.46...he's coming off knee and ankle issues.

Here's a snip from his NFL.com draft bio:

***Not a quick-twitch athlete. Does not show elite explosion to separate vertically.***

The above is exactly what we typically draft. We need the exact opposite type of player to add to our arsenal to diversify it and have for years and years. We need a quick twitch WR with elite explosion to separate vertically. Many here see the same and have posted about it.

Matthews is enticing to me just because we don't have much at WR but I believe if he comes Cobb goes and becomes our slot guy. We'll still need the speed guy who can separate vertically for the other outside WR spot because Davante can't do that consistently.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 23, 2018 at 05:16 am

Exactly. GB needs to have different weapons that force defenses to plan for a wider range of plays and allow 12 to mix and match as the game evolves.

Signing Matthews would eat up a decent chunk of the remaining salary cap. My hope is that money will be invested in either a better deep threat, OL or DBs

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Cubbygold's picture

March 23, 2018 at 05:18 am

Not to mention all the confusion well have in the comments section when both Matthews are injured all year and we have to constantly clarify which overpaid injured guy were talking about

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Finwiz's picture

March 23, 2018 at 09:06 am

Excellent post.

We seem to be in the minority around here. We need to find a speed guy from the dust heap of players still available, or in the draft.

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EdsLaces's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:20 pm

I was talking about him earlier today. He would definitely be a solid pickup and would set us up pretty good for the draft.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

March 22, 2018 at 09:25 pm

I thought so too. Not an acceptable opinion on APC. But that's because he is being presented as Cobb's direct replacement.

So, is Matthews a slot only WR?
Are you keeping Cobb if Matthews is signed?

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:17 pm

Those last two questions, to me, are...YES...NO. However, with the way we have forced round pegs into square holes, it wouldn't shock me to see them insist Matthews can play outside. He can...so could David Bakhtiari but would he excel there is the right question.

Matthews has got to be a quid pro quo with Cobb. No way Jordan Matthews commands anywhere near Cobb money off his year last year. Brian is bargain hunting which is nice when a guy can play like Matthews can. He is a relative of Jerry Rice. :) Matthews in slot and 4 million or so in cap savings? Buh bye, RC18.

If that should happen, some reporter in Green Bay has to stick a mic in Aaron's face and ask him how he feels about his two favorite WR's being sent packing. His answer will be telling because Aaron isn't the typical athlete who gives athlete speak. You're going to see what he really thinks, and I'll bet it tends more to the Van Pelt type of an answer than to a "tough business...just gotta move forward". I don't believe he could resist taking the shot and the low road with that one.

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dobber's picture

March 23, 2018 at 07:14 am

I don't think that signing Matthews has to spell the end of Cobb, necessarily (unless Matthews signs for much, much more than I think he will). Remember that Nelson played a lot of snaps out of the slot, but also played on the outside. The dynamic may not be tremendously different with Matthews. The X-factor is the supposedly "redesigned" playbook being dreamed up by Philbin and McCarthy. I don't anticipate Matthews will be signed, but he would raise the talent level in the WR room.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 23, 2018 at 08:32 am

Maybe, but another one year rental at a key position might be a bit too much. Mathews injury history raises some red flags with me. Many of the non signings of packer FA center on age and past injury history. I agree with both points dobber, but I expect that the packers will save their cap space after the Williams signing for in season injury replacement.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 22, 2018 at 10:15 pm

So the Pack just signed Tramon Williams again. So it is pretty obvious on how this is playing out
- Pack dumps Randall because of the poor personality fit.
- All other CB's are hurt of not proven. The cupboard is empty.
- Top CB's were too expensive.
- Pack tried to pick up Fuller, but Chicago matches offer.
- So there are no longer any top CB's left.
- Pick up Williams as stop gap for year or so as other young CB's develop. I say pick up Cromartie or another CB for insurance
- Draft long term 1 or 2 rookies to develop with King.

If this scenario plays out, I would be OK. This is something that TT would never do. And I would say that TT is no longer much involved. Just paying him a years salary to do nothing. And I would not want TT involved in any of these discussions.

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Oppy's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:12 pm

The only thing I see that TT would "never" do is make an offer to a player who was given the transition tag by another team. From what I've read here, some people don't think it was a serious offer based on numbers (meaning, presumably, it was expected CHI would match.) So, was it just window dressing? I don't know.

As to the rest of the list

-Dump player because of locker room distraction: Ted Did that ish (Sitton)
-All other CB's hurt or not proven: Many fans will tell you, Ted did that ish
-Top CB's too expensive? You know Ted invented that ish
-FA appears to have dried up without a move: That's actually named, "Doin' the Ted"
-Pick up a FA CB that used to play for the packers a few years ago to buy time while young guys develop: Ted did that ish (House)
-Draft Rookies to develop: All Ted, All Day Long

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Tundraboy's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:43 pm

Yes. At this point I would be ok with Cromartie and drafting a couple of CBs to add to King. Only because I think Pettine will get good results, buying more time for next year FAs if needed.

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John Kirk's picture

March 22, 2018 at 11:20 pm

I read somewhere we have signed the same amount of FA's after the first two weeks of FA as we did last year. Still believe it was a conglomerate running the Packers last year and not Ted.

A leopard doesn't change his spots and the shift was dramatic last year. I'm just hoping Brian wasn't the driving force for last year's off season and draft and it was more Russ.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 23, 2018 at 08:48 am

I'm hearing Mark Murphy instead of Russ Ball. What is interesting is if the rumors are true, the anger has not died down inside 1265 over the treatment Ted received. If true, then BG may have far more freedom to work than what was reported.

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Oppy's picture

March 23, 2018 at 10:41 am

You're hearing, but who's saying?

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John Kirk's picture

March 23, 2018 at 01:04 pm

The treatment of Ted angered people? Why? He wasn't at the combine or Senior Bowl where he should've been if he was going back to scouting. What did Murphy really do that wasn't received well with Ted other than lie about why the change was made?

I've drawn my conclusion as to why Ted is gone and it has nothing to do with his lack of performance.

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 04:21 pm

John, Was he “HITTIN’” on the wrong people??? Or, just the wrong _ex??? No, I’m not implying anything!!!

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 04:34 pm

Mark Murphy was a BIG hitter when he played for the ‘skins! In the “good ol’ days”, when leading with the crown of the helmet wasn’t called targeting and unnecessary roughness was rarely flagged, if ever, he probably caught a few too many to the noggin as well. I am just hypothesizing but, can you say CTE? Maybe not severe but, still there. My point here being that maybe ex football players shouldn’t be placed in positions where high level, corporate decisions are made! At least one’s that we’re in the direct line of fire such as LBs and CB/S or RBs... one CTE decision maker following another CTE case could be too much for one franchise to handle! You can always substitute CTE case for HEAD case... if ya’ folla’ fella’!!! To quote the shark hunter... ;~€)

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worztik's picture

March 23, 2018 at 04:43 pm

John, Tell us what you really think!!! The suspense is killing me, being as nosey as I am...

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John Kirk's picture

March 23, 2018 at 06:34 pm

I believe Ted has been ill for awhile now, and I can only surmise he's gotten much much worse to not be in Indy and Mobile. If he really left of his own free will to do what he loves (scout) and he's not at the two biggest places a scout would be? What does that tell you?

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Lare's picture

March 23, 2018 at 06:49 pm

I think the image of him staring off into space with his mouth open from the last game of the season says a lot. Time for him to find something to do with less stress.

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flackcatcher's picture

March 24, 2018 at 02:27 am

Come on Oppy. I know your not that stupid. NFL is a small group of owners, players, GM and scouts. TT is highly respected in the league front offices. This is a man who was set to retire two tears ago, who put off his due date by request of the Packer president. Well, if you followed the news, then you know the rest. Seriously, do the math....

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Oppy's picture

March 24, 2018 at 04:47 am

I don't like to think of myself as stupid, either.

But in this case, between your two posts, I have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about.

Maybe I'm stupid.

Ted was set to retire two years ago? Anger in 1265? BG has more room to work now?

I don't get any of it. My maths aren't calculating. I can't seem to carry the one.

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 24, 2018 at 05:10 am

“your not that stupid”....too easy.

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lou's picture

March 23, 2018 at 10:24 am

It is hard to project if King can be a #1 CB. But here is what we know today;

1. He has the perfect build
2. He has the required speed
3. He has the toughness (even with a sore shoulder he tackled with force fearlessly)
4. It appears he has the intelligence (no indication as a rookie the playbook was an issue)
5. Based on draft position he will be put into a position to show he can be.

It is all all up to him and the coaching staff going forward. Other than the shoulder history in college it would be hard to refute where he was picked in the draft.

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