Did Brian Gutekunst Want To Trade Up For Jordan Love?

The Jordan Love pick has been a source of drama since it happened. Recent reports call into question how the events leading up to the selection actually went down.

The Packers quarterback position has been a major point of discussion this offseason.

Much of the drama is in some way related to the Packers decision to move up in the 1st round of the 2020 NFL Draft and select quarterback Jordan Love.

Earlier this week, Albert Breer added a report that stated the Packers didn't go into the 2020 draft looking for a quarterback in the 1st round. According to Breer, Gutekunst wanted an offensive tackle or a wide receiver

This flies directly in the face of the narrative that emerged of a mustache-twirling Brian Gutekunst laughing maniacally while secretly plotting to surprise and infuriate all-world quarterback Aaron Rodgers for no other reason than his own super-inflated ego.
 
Ok, that might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but just a little. Many people (including Aaron Rodgers, by his own admission) feel that Gutekunst had, in fact been planning to replace the aging quarterback and set up the franchise for the next chapter of their history.
 
Breer's report contradicts that.
 
So what are we to believe?

There's been a lot of reports and rumors, mixed with plenty of speculation, and the fact of the matter is that no one will probably ever know the full true story.

So I'm going to try to piece together some reports to paint as complete as a picture as I can on this topic.

Breer states that Gutekunst wanted an offensive tack or a wide receiver.

By the 18th pick in the draft, five offensive tackles had already been taken. No more tackles were selected before the Packers picked at 26. That would make it seem like the Packers moved up for a wide receiver.

Ian Rapoport reported that the Packers wanted either Justin Jefferson or Brandon Aiyuk.

The Vikings had the 22nd pick from Buffalo as a part of the Steffon Diggs trade. They used the selection to take Justin Jefferson, who was one of the guys the Packers wanted and looked sensational while earning a Pro Bowl bid as a rookie.

With the next two picks, the Chargers took linebacker Kenneth Murray and the Saints took center Cesar Ruiz.

Now, the Vikings were up again at pick 25 (their original selection), only one pick before the Packers selection. Wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk - the last remaining player the Packers were supposedly targeting - was still on the board.

Surely, the Vikings wouldn't use another 1st round pick on a wide receiver, just moments after selecting Justin Jefferson, right?

Right.

Instead, they traded down, allowing the 49ers to move up and take Brandon Aiyuk.

An unhappy coincidence?

Maybe.

But the Michael Lombardi, who covers the 49ers for The Athletic, reported that the 49ers moved up because they knew that the Packers wanted Aiyuk

If these reports - which seem logical - are true, it paints a picture of an over-eager GM totally botching a trade, allowing critical information about draft strategy to leak, and then backing into a franchise-altering move (please remember that I've wondered in the past if Brian Gutekunst is really any good at drafting).

So when, precisely, did the Packers make their deal with the Dolphins to move up to the 26th spot?

That's where things get interesting.

Thanks to the magic of the internet, we can check by watching the 2020 ESPN draft on YouTube. If you start around the 2 hour and 41 minute mark, you see that the trade was announced when the Dolphins only had about 40 seconds left on the clock with the 26th pick.

This makes it seem like the Packers and Dolphins pulled off a last minute trade (literally), well after all the top offensive tackles were gone, far after Justin Jefferson was selected, and even after Brandon Aiyuk was taken.

In fact, it was so late in the process that an incorrect report even emerged from Deadspin that the Dolphins had selected running back D'Andre Swift with the 26th pick.

Now, it's possible that the Packers and Dolphins made the trade far earlier in the draft, maybe even before the draft started, but just chose not to announce it until the last minute. That would make the Deadspin report that the Dolphins selected D'Andre Swift puzzling since it would mean the Dolphins were never actually on the clock when they appeared to be on the clock, but there's no way to know for sure since incorrect reports are fairly common, even with major media outlets (like Adam Schefter, for example). 

If the Packers did move up earlier, but it was not reported until later, that would mean that the Packers moved up without being sure any of the players they wanted would even be available. At best, this would be a foolish move, even in fantasy football.

If that wasn't the case, and the Packers moved up later, it could only mean one of two things:

 

1) The Packers were so focused on getting their trade details worked out with the Dolphins that they didn't notice the players they wanted were being selected

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2) The Packers actually did move up to select Jordan Love

 

It's hard to sift through reports from the outside and figure out what actually happened.

Did they try to trade up for a receiver? Did they just mistime their trade? Or did they really intend to draft Jordan Love all along?

Use the comments section below to share your theory on what really happened.

 

Bruce Irons has played, coached, and studied football for decades. Best-selling author of books such as A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Draft, A Fan's Guide To Understanding The NFL Salary Cap, and A Fan's Guide To NFL Free Agency Hits And Misses, Bruce contributes to CheeseHeadTV and PackersForTheWin.com.

Follow Bruce Irons on Twitter at @BruceIronsNFL.

 

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Pilprin's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:22 am

I agree with everything here...I really think someone let the cat out of the bag that GB wanted Ayuik. Was it Gute? Was it MLF? Someone in the MN and or the SF front offices knew. I'm guessing the trade was consummated early...we will see if that plays out better than it feels right now.

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BruceIrons's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:41 pm

I get the same impression. It's really possible that they just figured the Vikings wouldn't draft a receiver and worked out a deal to move up for Aiyuk, then San Fran got ahead of them after they agreed to terms with Miami.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:19 pm

Except that everyone on earth had WR rated #1 for the Packers and Jefferson and Aiyuk among the best guys in the draft.
EVERYONE on earth knew that IF the Pack wanted a WR it would have to be Aiyuk.
Which may or may not be why SF went after him.

This theory doesn't hold any water for that fact alone. It IS the basic premise of Irons' theory and as any first year logic student knows, you can spin any fiction you want if your premises are false (or even just one in this case).

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:30 am

So Brian Gutekunst, who built a fantastic passing attack out of Day 3 picks and UDFAs, really wanted a superduper WR?

And there was never a plan to put a legitimate QB behind Rodgers?

And the Packer brass didn’t even know that the players they wanted had already been drafted?

I don’t think this “theory” is worth the time it took to read it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:52 pm

Aiyuk was the target, they scouted him the previous year. When the queens bagged Jefferson, Lynch went into panic mode for another Playmaker as Sanders went to NOLA. Love was then the Value pick.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 08, 2021 at 09:55 pm

I believe it was Jefferson, but possibly Aiyuk. Doesnt really matter! The Pack had their board and they couldnt believe Love was still available and fortunately acted.

The average career for a WR is 2.81 years in the NFL. The average NFL player career length is 3.3 years. I am going to guess Love's career will stretch over 15 years. The Love selection will be a positive long-term draft choice that will significantly impact the GBP franchise.

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:31 am

I believe the answer to be whichever one irritates you, the reader, most.

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Bearmeat's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:47 am

LOL!

Yeah. This is all water under the bridge. I don’t agree that Gute isn’t good at his job - he’s turned a 6-10 team into 2 years and 30 wins and 2 NFC CG appearances. So it’s not incompetence. Other than that? This is offseason banter/troll bait.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 08, 2021 at 09:11 pm

Awesome.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:38 am

I seem to recall that Indy was interested in Love and that's why GB moved up which would imply that GB wanted Love in the 2nd round but knew he wouldn't be there because of Indy's leaked interest, or GB simply couldn't make a second round move to secure Love before Indy.

If GB really considered a WR, surely they could have traded up to get one in the first round, but it appears they had no intention as they still could have gotten a good one in the second round and ignored them also.

I think Rodgers is correct in his belief that the plan was to be rid of him by trade before this season, but Covid happened and no camp for Love was the wrench in the plan and the FO needed to reset, but an SB appearance this season may make that reset an issue and an issue that has or allows Rodgers to be more dictatorial in the result.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:22 pm

If Rodgers needed 3 yrs of development, I don't think FO thought that one year would suffice for love.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:33 pm

Totally different circumstances.

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:32 pm

What's the different circumstances that negates the point he's making?

Rodgers needed culled of his horrible Tedford mechanics? I could see that argument (although whenever I bring it up, the Rodgers-faithful tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and Rodgers was NFL-ready out of the box.)

Otherwise, you've got a rookie QB coming in behind a HoF, fan-favorite veteran QB who is still under contract for a number of years.

What's the difference?

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:18 pm

Rodgers fell to GB and GB wasn't looking for a QB at that time, where Gute made moves to get the QB in the second round but had to move up in the first because it became known that Indy wanted Love. Love was part of a plan and Rodgers was a gift thrown upon the Packers' lap.

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:04 pm

I don't see how being part of a plan or not affects the need or desire to let a player sit and learn before taking the reigns.

If anything, Rodgers was widely considered a legit #1 overall pick, and despite my own personal beliefs about his throwing motion, he was considered to be the most NFL-ready QB in the draft...

Meanwhile, Jordan Love was widely considered to be a great arm talent that was going to require some seasoning before being ready for the pro game- a raw talent.

Call me crazy, but I don't see how if Love or Rodgers was a planned pick or fell into the Packers laps- how that changes how they may view the development of the player.

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dekan51's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:02 pm

Oppy. I agree. Rodgers wasn't planned, but what is interesting about AR is why NOBODY WANTED HIM. All this talk about where the talking heads had him listed....junk. That is why nobody should care about mock drafts. When TT realized AR was gonna fall to him, he called the 49ers and asked them if there was something not coming out about AR. Why was he falling??? SF told him they liked him, just likes Smith more. Then it has come out that TT tried to trade out of the pick...and couldn't find any takers!!!!! So yes, AR truly was a gift. As for Love, I just think Gute wanted a WR or OL, and when they were gone, got his next target. Yes, he new Indy wanted Love, so he traded up before Indy could trade up. No one would want a QB @ the beginning of the 2nd if you can get them in the 1st...just for that extra year. As for the WR, SF paid a very heavy price to move up. I don't think Gute thought that was gonna happen. I think he thought there guy was gonna fall to them. It didnt take a leak or a genius to guess GB wanted a WR, or that one in particular. SF was willing to pay to get there guy. He got hurt, so wasn't much for SF last year....

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Thegravedigger's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:04 pm

I agree with all of your points except the last one. Aiyuk is on track to break out this year, he did get banged up at the end. But hes gonna be a very good player.

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BruceIrons's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:44 pm

That's a very interesting perspective that not many people seem to talk about.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:27 pm

The Plan was to go with Love after 2021. That way the Packers could evaluate him as a starter in 2022 before they had to commit serious money and exercise the 5th year option. Not only was Rodgers’ contract written with this in mind, but several other players as well, including most of the WR unit.

2021…this year….was always intended to feature Rodgers directing a high power offense.

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:37 pm

If Covid didn't happen, Love would have had a preseason of snaps and gameplay and would have seen Boyle released or kept as the 3rd QB. Everything the FO wanted to do was set back a year and its original path is now in play. Love gets his camp with preseason gameplay and Rodgers serves up his final year as the GB QB, and why the FO and Rodgers have agreed this is it for him unless Love totally falls on his face.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:07 pm

Rodgers might have fallen, but if you really do not think TT was looking, well, I think memories play tricks.

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:36 pm

Nobody liked Love. He would never have dropped to the packers if they did.

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:42 pm

Nobody liked Rodgers. He would have never dropped to the Packers if anyone did.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:42 pm

Nobody loved Rodgers, Russel Wilson, or Brady either.

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Titletown222's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:01 pm

If Indy really was interested in love, that seems like a place that might need a quarterback and willing to part with next year’s number one for love. Just sayin’

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:55 pm

If Wentz bombs in Indy because of play or injury, I'd think Indy would be interested in Love. Maybe not a one, but I wouldn't rule it out.

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THESZOTMAN1's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:46 am

Article warrants a BIG "whatever." As for me, I did not think GB should have drafted a QB that year. I certainly would NOT have moved up to pick a QB. And I definitely would not have picked Jordan Love.
BUT, if Love succeeds AR 12, and he turns out to be a serviceable signal caller, I'll admit I don't know jack.
However this all plays out --- G.P.G.!
The Szotman

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SanLobo's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:21 pm

I wouldn’t have picked a QB that year either. But my reasoning has nothing to do with Love. At the time it was still a 50-50 shot there was even going to be a season of football in 2020. Knowing the new CBA practically requires a team play a 1st round pick by year 3, that’s a big gamble.
As far as the pick, Green Bay still uses a draft board and the team philosophy has always been, “Trust the board.” So it’s pretty safe to assume Green Bay had Love very high on the board. Add in the legitimate argument that the GM has to plan for an eventually departing Rodgers, you can understand the decision.
I am still unconvinced that Gutenkunst did not have time prior to, or even during the draft, to inform Rodgers they might take a QB. The boards are worked weeks in advance of the draft. If Love was on the board, they knew he was either their target or a possibility.

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dekan51's picture

August 08, 2021 at 09:37 pm

"I am still unconvinced that Gutenkunst did not have time prior to, or even during the draft, to inform Rodgers they might take a QB."

I think AR knew the Pack MIGHT take a QB. But when Aiyuk went at 25, GB had to jump to get their last guy they wanted, and if the article is accurate, it took almost the entire 5 min to get the deal worked out. Thus, no time to let AR they WERE taking a QB....

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SanLobo's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:01 pm

I understand that point of compressed time. My point is Green Bay knew they had Love on their board before they left Wisconsin. It would have been easy to call Rodgers and say, “Aaron, we are leaving for the draft. We are targeting a couple great players, and the board includes WRs, DBs, RBs, OL, QB, etc…. If that QB is high on the board and if he is the highest guy left when we can pick, we will take him. That’s a big if, and you know you are our QB as long as you’re with us. We don’t see finding anyone who can replace you, but we may take a QB looking for insurance and your eventual successor for when you do leave.”
An Aaron Rodgers with the ability to tell the press, et al, he knew GB may take a QB and he was sanguine with it before the torrent of calls, emails, and messages came in following the selection would have gone a long way to avoiding a lot of angst.

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dobber's picture

August 09, 2021 at 06:45 am

Draft boards are such closely guarded, proprietary content, I can't believe they would tell anyone weeks in advance--not even their own players--about what's on it.

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greengold's picture

August 09, 2021 at 10:14 am

Totally agree. There's no way Gutekunst would call a player to inform them of their board. No way. prior to making a selection? No way. Why would anyone do that? Months and years worth of work, just to create a potential leak on draft day? No.

Gutekunst and his staff are some of the best personnel/talent evaluators in the NFL Draft, and they learned from some of the best in NFL history. Everybody has their place.

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SanLobo's picture

August 09, 2021 at 12:52 pm

I agree that Gutenkunst and the FO have demonstrated extraordinary skill at selecting talent.
I also agree “There’s no way Gutenkunst would call a player to inform him of his board.” As to why would anyone do that, there are multiple reasons and if Andy Reid, Sean Peyton, Mike Zimmer and several other head coaches/GMs choose to do so, it must make sense to them.
The whole situation this off season could have been mitigated or even completely avoided with a bit of open communication. Even Gutenkunst has acknowledged this.

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mbpacker's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:49 am

To borrow and tweak an old Clairol commercial, Only Gute's hairdresser(barber) knows for sure. These theories are fun reading to kill the summer dead space, but it's time for football now. Really can't change what really did happen. Did anyone see where Adam Schefter spotted 8 alien space ships ordering takeout at 3AM at Denny's?Go Pack Go!

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Band1's picture

August 08, 2021 at 08:08 pm

Yeah but it was with Vince Lombardi and Reggie White too

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:15 pm

I was there. Should never have shared my herb with Schefty and just gotten him into Denny's for breakfast!

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:15 pm

I was there. Should never have shared my herb with Schefty and just gotten him into Denny's for breakfast!

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egbertsouse's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:52 am

The Breer scenario makes the Packer draft room look like a total clown show. The standard scenario makes Gute look like a GM with draft savvy but no interpersonal skills. Since he was trained by the poster boy for the “Lacks Interpersonal Skills Society”, Ted Thompson, I would tend to believe the latter.

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Johnblood27's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:06 pm

This bit of insight carries more weight than the article does...

nicely done eggy

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Band1's picture

August 08, 2021 at 08:09 pm

When Mark Murphy is in charge and/or meddling I believe anything is possible ugh 😡

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:39 pm

It appears that some reporters had to go through the recycle bin to dig up this story. Just a gratuitous bit of revisionist history. Yawn...

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Band1's picture

August 08, 2021 at 08:12 pm

But interesting cuz most of our fans wanted to know the truth !! And these “old” stories are how us “shareholders” get our info 😡

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 12:03 am

Unless the writer(s) were actually in the draft room - everything reported is merely conjecture, speculation and fabrication - not the truth.

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Tkapusta's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:16 pm

Anyway you put it, based on this story, Gute screwed up mightily that may cost the Packers for years to come. If AR leaves and Love doesn’t pan out, Gute needs to be fired. As well as MM who allowed all of this to happen.

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Oppy's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:44 pm

The only move right now that might "cost the packers dearly for years to come" would be if Gutekunst DOESN'T trade Rodgers after the conclusion of the 2021 season.

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HawkPacker's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:27 pm

Totally agree Oppy. Either they trade him or sign him to a new contract.

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Oppy's picture

August 11, 2021 at 08:48 pm

Trade good. New contract bad.

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dblbogey's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:01 pm

I question any story, sports or politics, considering today's journalism "standards".

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:14 pm

Depends on what/where you get your info.

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GeorgiaCheesehead's picture

August 08, 2021 at 08:44 pm

Right on point but you can’t convince most packers fans of this as they will never admit that their beloved MM & BG could ever make a mistake.

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:26 pm

Don't believe a word of it.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:32 pm

I was really looking forward to a written roundup or two by CHTV on the doings on the field at Family Night.
Here I go six days without commenting on the Aaron Rodgers melodrama with remarkable self-control ;-) and now I'm being tempted to go back.
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All I'm hoping is for Rodgers to focus on quarterback, and for the front office not give in to any more requests from Rodgers unless they are truly good for the team.
I don't want Rodgers to be rewarded any further for his self-absorbed holdout and his petulant press conference. I don't want anything more to be done to make Rodgers happy; if he isn't happy by now, then trade him.
I'm truly rooting for Rodgers to rise to the occasion, which is rallying everyone involved with the Packers -- including the front office, coaches, teammates, and fans -- to unity in an all-out effort to win a Super Bowl.
I don't want him commenting on which players he likes in training camp, or whether he wants to play in preseason games, or how the offense could be tweaked, or anything else that belongs to the role of the front office and coaching.
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Please, Aaron, just do your job as QB, which is already a considerable challenge. Please think about the fans once in awhile, too.
Please, CHTV, write more on what's happening in training camp and in preseason games, and less on the Rodgers Saga unless there is a clear and compelling breaking of news.
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P.S. I'd still like a report on all the players who were supposedly jerked around by the Packers in the allegations of Rodgers, and whether or not there is much there there.
It seems Rodgers signed his last mega-contract in 2018 after some of these atrocities of kicking players to the curb had already taken place, but without any protest on his part.
Since then the Packers have re-signed three of our own: Bakh, Clark, and Jones. Isn't that a good reflection on the ogres in the front office?
If Rodgers is on target to a significant extent in his criticism of how horribly the front office has handled player relations (so bad that we as fans have had to suffer through the uncertainty of his status while he hosted Jeopardy and vacationed in Hawaii) -- then I hope I'll admit that I was wrong.
Until then, I'm really bothered what appears to be a fiasco by Rodgers in deceitful and/or delusional self-righteousness. People can tell me to get over it. However, the real question is whether Rodgers can get over it.
If Rodgers continues to hold a grudge in a sly and skulky way, this season seems doomed to some kind of huge letdown somewhere along the line before February 2022.
The way Rodgers has behaved makes me glad we drafted Jordan Love and have him as a backup to his moody self-importance.

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Lphill's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:31 pm

You must love Florio and Schefter .

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2021 at 05:06 pm

Sunday Sermon from Q.

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LeotisHarris's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:52 pm

I literally laughed out loud, jb.

Family Night Summary (just for Swisch): it was a fluid practice situation due to weather. Practice was divided into roughly 47 periods, I think. TV viewers were treated to multiple crowd shots which confirmed Wisconsinites are working extremely hard to remain morbidly obese, and the gene pool is holding steady at shallow in the Badger State. The crowd did the f*cking wave. I'm not kidding. The entire scene looked like a Far Side cartoon.

Weather conditions did not allow tackling. Tackling was promised, but it rained. There will be no tackling in the rain. No one stood out. No one looked good except for Larivee who has lost weight. Kuhn looks like he's not missing any meals. The Rock remains the Rock. 12 threw the ball into the fishing net a few times. Everyone clapped.

After watching family night I can confidently say the Packers are a lock to win the Super Bowl.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 09, 2021 at 02:03 am

There was tackling.
Ento looked good. 2 PBUs.
Funchess looked big and caught a couple.
Love looked up and down. Some accuracy issues.
Van Lanen had a serious hold that wasn't called.
DL Heflin and Avery had some disruptions vs. OL 2.
OCs have problems snapping the ball. Not sure which.
Nijman sighting. Wearing a black brace on left arm.
Hill looked good. RBs in general looked good.
Davante dropped another pass. His hands are average.
Kaufusi dropped a tough catch. Needed to haul it in given the TEs ahead of him.
Savage didn't drop it when Davante bobbled a pass.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2021 at 08:00 am

This is what we should be talking and writing about after scrimmage.

Instead we are speculating about speculation. Admittedly some seem to prefer to write pieces designed to divide and get clicks instead of the harder task of actually analyzing things that took place on the field. These pieces need to stop, but ultimately it’s on us to stop taking the bait. Perhaps if they stopped podcast rambles and actually wrote their game analyses it might help, especially for those many who couldn’t watch.

Thanks TGR. Best info on this site since the scrimmage.

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Swisch's picture

August 09, 2021 at 08:50 am

Thanks, TGR.

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Since'61's picture

August 09, 2021 at 08:58 am

TGR - good job providing some actual and relevant information from the family night practice. This is what we should be reading and discussing. Thanks, Since '61

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mbpacker's picture

August 08, 2021 at 05:08 pm

I'd hate to see your Christmas want list!

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MainePackFan's picture

August 08, 2021 at 05:36 pm

Can't say I agree with much of anything you are saying in this post. Rodgers has never been a problem for this organization. Unless you think having a Hall of Fame Quarterback that has made it clear to the FO and the fans he wants to play the rest of his career for the Packers is a problem.

Is he arrogant ..of course (there are no Bart Starr's in todays game, but he sat and waited his turn when Farvre was running the show. You claim that "he signed the contract that's all that matters", yet you do not acknowledge that the FO can kick that contract to the curb in a New York minute. He waited for them to rework his contract to open up cap space for the betterment of the team. like they did with other players that the Packers felt were key to the future. How would you feel?

Personally, I am rooting for Aaron Rodgers to continue his success for the Green Bay Packers this year and as many years as he is a productive player. Carry the G ARod.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:39 pm

The FO could release Rodgers with a 53 mill cap hit this year and a 27 mill in 2022. That decision might warrant a very looong minute.

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dobber's picture

August 09, 2021 at 07:01 am

I think you're double-counting some of that cap hit, Pete. Right now, ARod's total cap hit obligation is about $54M in the event of a cut/trade.

Since we're after June 1, the cap hit splits over 2021 and 2022 caps. Most of ARod's cap hit in 2022 is cash money, and a cut/trade would wipe that off the Packers books.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2021 at 05:39 pm

Interesting that others here make cryptic replies to my comment that are apparently negative, while at the same time not being bothered all that much by Rodgers holding out a couple of months on us fans.
The guy was ready to throw away this season without caring about us, but apparently that's no problem to some.
Then he tries to justify himself by trashing the front office as an evil regime that cruelly kicks its most loyal players to the curb without even a pat on the back. After all, if the front office isn't evil, how could he justify vacationing in Hawaii while we were left wondering if our best Super Bowl opportunity in years was in jeopardy?
Now I get criticized for going too far in my concerns about Rodgers without the courtesy of any explanation as to how I'm going astray.
What some people will do for a pretty spiral?
So you really trust this guy has the character to put us over the top in the highly competitive NFL? If Rodgers breaks your hearts, it'll be at least halfway your own fault.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:37 pm

While not happy at his style, I'm ready for another run at a SB. However, I've personally have had enough and am rooting very hard for Love to be ready to take the helm in 2022.

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MainePackFan's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:43 pm

Nothing cryptic about what I am saying Swisch. I am saying that Aaron Rodgers made it very clear to both management and fans that he wanted to finish his career in Green Bay. The Packers Front Office is responsible for this, not Rodgers.

Yes, I do trust Rodgers has the character to put us over the top. But hey, I don't hate him like you do so to each his own my friend. At the end of the day no matter how this all ends up, I am sure we will both say Go Pack Go!!!

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2021 at 08:45 pm

Hi Maine, I wrote my comment about cryptic replies before your reply was posted.
I appreciate you giving a reasonable response -- although you misquoted me about Rodgers and his contract. My point was that Rodgers signed his last contract without protesting the practices of the front office; but this year he's been ready to throw away the season because of those practices.
It's one thing for a player to want to finish his career in Green Bay; it's another thing for him to realize his risk of decline with age and to take a significantly lower salary.
Is it fair for Rodgers to hog so much of the salary cap at the expense of teammates? Doesn't the front office have an obligation to fans to not tie up so much money in a QB who is going to be 38 this year, and could lose his skills at any moment (a la Peyton Manning)? Isn't Rodgers smart enough to know that his contract is like just about all of the other contracts in the NFL in protecting the team as the player ages?
In any case, was it worth holding fans hostage by holding out and threatening to tear down this most promising season? Was it worth trashing the reputations of real human beings in the front office?
I don't see what Rodgers has done as noble or even acceptable; but as detestable, or at least delusional.
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I don't hate Rodgers. I've pointed out in the past that I've been a big fan of his since at least his first season as a starter, even though I remember it as somewhat shaky. I've rooted from him sincerely and loyally as a player and a person.
To care about someone, even as a fan, is not to allow them to step all over us; to care about someone is to be honest with them with kindness. As the record shows here at CHTV over a long period of time, I have been kind and fair with him -- although my most recent comments, since his manipulative press conference, have been more angry. He deserves it. To give Rodgers a free pass is not helping him, but enabling him to continue his abuses to his own detriment, as well as ours.
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I may be way wrong about my perceptions. I would be glad for respectful but robust replies from others telling me how I am misunderstanding Rodgers.
I haven't seen much, if anything, that is convincing to support his behavior. Sometimes people don't even try; they just make snarky remarks.
It seems other will put up with just about any abuse if they think it will get the Packers a Super Bowl. That doesn't seem to be good for Rodgers or anyone else.
Again, if he breaks the hearts of fans who allow him to act selfishly in ways deceitful and/or delusional, then it's largely their own fault.

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PeteK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:44 pm

When a young QB with raw ability becomes surprisingly available and the current QB is 36, drop everything and take the QB. Especially in todays pass driven NFL. This plan works better than waiting until the team is 5-12 and thrusting a young QB in a starting role with a poor team. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

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ImaPayne's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:09 pm

When you have a 36 year old guy who is still pretty dam good you do one of two things: ride him till the tires are worn out or trade him and put QUALITY

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ImaPayne's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:15 pm

When you have a star QB who is 36 you ride him till the tires fall off or you trade him for picks and get a young stud who played div 1 football and had a great career at the one two or three pick.
Now your re tooled and ready for another long run with a QB who can play.

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Minniman's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:59 pm

Pete, I agree that in the NFL there should always be a QB succession plan or hunt - we al know the saying, it’s the most important position in professional sport.

That said, I’m also seeing that the QB protection rule changes are having the desired effect - and prolonging careers.

My second line isn’t unconditional though:

1) Future 37+ year old QB’s are going role players, not Lone Ranger heroes any more - at least the successful ones are.

2) If they want to continue to play, then contractually they need to carry the cost of covering their increasing inadequacies - someone’s got to rush or sneak effectively, and those players cost money.

I wonder how much the DeShone Kizer and Brett Hundley ‘misses’ impacted the decision to take a legitimate AND un-baggaged talent when it was available to them? Irrespective of their perception of Rodgers’ remaining playing life-span, I agree, it must have been too tempting to not at least try.

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Packers0808's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:10 pm

After watching Love and his fumbling last night I wonder if all this was worth it from Gute to Rodgers and the crap in between?

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Since'61's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:01 pm

Good point Packers0808. However, we need to give Love a chance beyond last evening’s glorified practice. I’m just happy none of our players were injured.

As for Love the tests for him are only going to be more difficult as he goes through the preseason games and into any regular season action if the opportunity/need arises.

For now patience is required on our part. Thanks, Since ‘61

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Packers0808's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:15 pm

Disagree for one big point, practice or not Loves two fumbles If you noticed whether told too or not he ran away both times from fumbles with out even the INSTINCT to try to recover them. That is not what a QB instincts should be!

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HawkPacker's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:35 pm

Think back when Rodgers was drafted and he came into a game for Favre. He looked absolutely terrible and he got injured right away. This happened once for sure and possibly a second time. Look how he turned out!

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Packers0808's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:10 pm

Ya so what this got to do with an entirely different person? Coming into a real game vs practice is no comparison when a guy is afraid of his team mates what we he do against a different team?

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:33 pm

I think it’s a very direct comparison

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Packers0808's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:45 pm

2 entirely different situations, one against enemy fire other against own teammates and afraid to try and recover ball! Not even close to me!

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2021 at 07:46 am

Inapposite ones

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2021 at 07:52 am

Inapposite ones. There is a reason for the red shirt. Diving on balls like that is incompatible with that. Unless he does that in games I would not draw too much from it except to note that he may actually listen to his coaches.

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Since'61's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:38 pm

Agree that it was a good look for Love not to try to recover the fumbles. However, the coaches may tell the QBs to leave the ball on the ground rather than risk a defensive player hitting them while trying to recover the loose ball.

I don't know if that's the case but why risk a QB on what is essentially a dead play during practice? If a similar situation occurs while Love is playing in an upcoming preseason game then we will have a major cause for concern. Thanks, since '61

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:51 pm

We do not know, we likely never will. A whole lot of belief on both sides. The purpose of this discussion is?

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Since'61's picture

August 08, 2021 at 12:56 pm

This article creates more questions than it answers. If the Packers saw the OTs and WRs they were after going off the board they should have tried to move up earlier than they did. Perhaps they tried and failed.

Secondly after all their targets were off the board shouldn’t they have traded out of the 1st round for maybe 2 additional picks rather than giving up a 4th to move up for Love, who allegedly they were not looking to pick? Again, they may have tried and failed to trade out of the first round.

Third, if the trade with the Dolphins was agreed to earlier why was it announced with only 40 seconds left on the clock? That doesn’t benefit either team in any way.

Fourth, if the Packers didn’t intend to draft Love why not commit to Rodgers beyond 2021? Is it all an attempt to justify their decision to spend a 1st and 4th on Love?

We’ll never get the full, true story from the Packers FO. They will always insist that Love was their guy regardless of their reason(s) for selecting him. However, this review of the 2020 1st round presents a Packers “war room” that is unprepared and/or divided on how to proceed with their board. Not a very good look for Gute.

How well Love develops in his career will ultimately impact Gute’s future either positively or negatively. It’s way too early to make a call on Love either way at this point.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Johnblood27's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:21 pm

Could it be that the Packers trusted their board and once the positions of need - WR, OT - were depleted that Love appeared as the last of the Packer boards 1st round graded players?

Maybe they thought about trading back and couldn't find a partner, and maybe they trusted their board and did what they needed to do to secure the best available value at that time in the draft.

Was a QB on the radar before the draft started? probably not, just the board and the number of QB's that the Packers had graded as 1st round talent. They probably did not anticipate the rest of the NFL having all of their preferred positional players of need graded just as highly and coming off the board sequentially ahead of them in the draft.

Nobody comes off as a buffoon, and no serious lapses in judgement occured. A draft day decision was made to position the team in the best slot to capture the best value player available at that point in the draft. It happens when you draft in the late 20's and cannot predict every pick ahead of yours.

Maybe the draft room could have notified Rodgers of their rankings of all players for the first round so he wouldn't be surprised about the selection, however that creates yet another possibility of loose lips sinking draft ships by a slight disclosure indicating preferred positions/players. Why would any front office disclose this information beyond anyone other than 'need-to-know" people? The starting QB isn't on that list.

Every year the draft board contains QB's. It has to, they are a premium position and there are talented ones available. Not including them in the draft board is foolish and impedes a team from anticipating draft day moves by other teams. It just so happens that Love fell into a slot that the Packers saw as their best value move given the players already off their board.

No intrigue, no idiots missing their towns, no butt-hurt egotistical players. Its just the business of the FO in NFL football.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:26 pm

Makes a ton of sense to me, Johnblood, as a likely scenario.
If so, it means Jordan Love came to the Packers very much the same way that Aaron Rodgers did.
Way back in 2005, it seems there was no way the Packers would have predicted Rodgers would fall to #24 in the first round. When he was shockingly available, the Pack pounced on him.
In the 2020 draft, when top players at other positions were already selected, the Packers jumped at the opportunity to trade up slightly to take Love at #26.
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In both cases, the Packers probably saw a lack of compelling alternatives at that late point in the first round, plus the upside of obtaining a young and talented and undervalued quarterback for the future.
In both cases, the Packers had hall-of-fame quarterbacks who were aging and showing signs of deterioration on the field.
In 2005, Brett Favre appeared to be a prima donna who had put himself above his head coach. He was highly undisciplined and reckless in continually throwing risky passes up-for-grabs that were often intercepted.
In 2020, Rodgers appeared to be a prima donna who had put himself above his head coach. He wasn't throwing interceptions, but seemed to hold the ball too long in the pocket waiting for spectacular passes downfield, instead of taking shorter and surer completions to move the chains. Perhaps that's why Rodgers was injured in both 2018 and 2019 after being hit in the backfield.
My analysis is quite possibly wrong; but it could explain how both of these two great quarterbacks lost their humility and thus didn't make it to the Super Bowl in the last decade or so of their illustrious careers -- which both wound down somewhat disappointingly.
In the case of Rodgers, his infamous press conference a couple of weeks ago was strong evidence of an inflated ego and a prickly personality that is difficult to deal with. He seemed to reveal himself as temperamentally testy in self-importance while at the same clueless in matters outside of his role as QB.
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Rodger should understand the drafting of Love for the simple reason that he was drafted under highly similar conditions.
It seems the drafting of Love makes even more sense after seeing what a passive-aggressive and arrogant diva Rodgers can be in threatening to ruin this season for teammates and fans.
I haven't completely given up on Aaron Rodgers, but he's obviously pushed me to the limit. What a headache he must be to handle with such tender care.
It seems to truly want the best for Rodgers as a player and a person is not to feed into his delusions of grandeur, but to give him a swift kick in the bottom.
A major turnaround on his part is the only hope I have for a satisfying season. Would that it be so. Otherwise, look out for a heartbreak at any turn.

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BruceIrons's picture

August 08, 2021 at 08:00 pm

There's an interesting angle in there that says Rodgers should realize Love was drafted under the same circumstances as he was.

With how little we know, it's possible that when Rodgers was drafted, he was told he would start in a couple years and they would move on Favre (or something to that effect). If he thought something like that also happened here, it would explain some of his reaction.

I find the situation so interesting because we don't know the whole story and any number of things could have happened that would probably change our opinions on the matter.

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2021 at 09:17 am

It maybe. It could easily be completely untrue. Maybe is a good word for this piece and the article it is based upon. Maybe, maybe, maybe. In the end enough maybes equates to manure.

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HawkPacker's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:39 pm

So well put JB. Great post!!!

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MainePackFan's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:03 pm

That was the most honest, and in my opinion accurate, evaluation that I have read in here. I wonder if Gute has any regrets with the benefit of hindsight :)

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:13 pm

Yes. I'm sure that all teams value both positions and draft slots like one uses a number value system to rank pieces in chess. It probably with Gutey involves RAS correlated to draft position.
QB is going to become a big position of need and I'd simply bet that was best available value left (after, as you mentioned, attempting to trade both up and down to find the position of greatest need for that year).

Nothing fishy. The board never falls the way you want. You have to be ready to change course.

They did a great job.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:16 pm

I agree with your basic supposition; however, the price was too high to move up ahead of Philly for Jefferson or get ahead of the shipwrecked sailors of skoland for him ,Reagor or Aiyuk. Aiyuk was their guy. The queens wouldn't let the Pack bag another playmaker and did the deal with Lynch who was worried about Deebo Samuel staying healthy. Aiyuk makes incredible plays. Gutedkunst had to get players out of that draft to fill the depth chart and with Hendickson on board the brain-power just increased 100% in the command center.
I will take Love and Dillon over Tee Higgins.

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Archie's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:31 pm

One look at LaFleurs face immediately after the Love pick was consumated told you everything you need to know i.e., MLF wanted Love badly and Gutey gave MLF what he wanted. Ditto AJ Dillon, DeGuara, etc.

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greengold's picture

August 09, 2021 at 10:28 am

LaFleur and his staff interviewed Jordan Love multiple times. They knew what they wanted. They knew their board. They knew their team needs. Brian Gutekunst clearly plans for the future, based on his personnel moves. He's corrected positions that were devoid of talent through his first 3 drafts to that point. Matt LaFleur being that happy after the selection is telling. It appears they got their guy. We'll see.

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NJ-RICK's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:05 pm

Gute probably wanted a WR but when they were all gone a QB was his next plan of attack. He was drafting for AR's replacement, there is no doubt about that. Time will tell if that was the right move. My feeling is Packer MGT is now on the transition clock.

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ImaPayne's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:07 pm

I hope they play the heck out of him and if he is interception city we will know Gutt fd it up again. A 12 pick for a loser like Gary who was slated for the second or third round is awful. The guy is a bum

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jhtobias's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:14 pm

I think he traded up for Josiah Degura , but when Gutey realized he can overdraft him on the third round he said who has the easiest name to spell on the draft card and "Jordan Love" is simple enough to spell. He couldn't spell Tee higgins or chase claypool so he went with Jordan Love ..

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Ratpack's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:18 pm

Right on...that whole draft he overdrafted. Makes no sense.

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jont's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:18 pm

I've never been a fan of these reports from unnamed sources, and after summer full of nothing else about 12, Gute, and all of that, I am more than ever reluctant to click on them. Yes, I clicked on this one. A mistake.

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PhantomII's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:35 pm

Gute had to get to #21 to pick Jefferson. Gute somehow is incredibly cheap with a measly draft pick and would rather spend 20 plus million on a 30 plus WR instead of move up to #20 for a #1 WR on a fresh rookie contract....Nobody moves up and holds a pick in the draft outside the top 1-5 picks. Gute was too cheap to get to 21, then SF moved up and got their guy and Gute moved up for Love. Gute new what he did when he did it. Nobody moves up that late in the draft early and waits. The consolation was Claypool that we did not have to move up for. AR threw the ball away a lot in the first year of ML offense and the SF game butt fumble, etc. did not look good.
AR probably changed the ML calls at the LOS a lot and Gute, just decided after the blowout loss in the NFCC game AR was not going to get us a SB win. We are built to win now with a lot of money riding on it. I think AR is motivated to get it done this year...Maybe retire...Maybe sign a longer term deal with an escape clause...Maybe win and give FO the finger....It could be any of those scenarios.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:30 pm

You do realize that in order to move up (or down for that matter) in the draft, you have to have a willing trading partner, right?
You have no clue whether GB tried to move up to #20 or not. It has nothing to do with Gute being "too cheap".

Probably one of my biggest frustrations is with "fans" constantly accusing GB of being cheap. If they're so cheap, why are they projected to be 50 million OVER the cap in 2022?

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PhantomII's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:42 pm

Packers almost never use more than 1 or 2 #4 picks to move. I'm pretty sure most teams that have top draft numbers are more than a year away from competing. All in is using 2-#1 picks on a needed weapon. Gute might not have been able to make the trade especially if he did not offer enough to make the trade. It's relevant because it has been the main focus of the recent turmoil. I liked the QB Hurts more than Love because Love Hurts. They're over the cap because Gute didn't make the trade I proposed, paid Bak top dollar and also Clark more than they should have along with keeping P. Smith. Now after all that I do think we can win a SB with this talented group and should have if properly coached on D. Cheap on ST coaches and DC is just a fact. Still need a starting CB and DL. Still gonna have to pay Alexander, Jenkins, MVS and Tonyan, Gary and Savage all on their first contracts. My move for Jefferson makes Adams a cap casualty.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:16 pm

"They're over the cap because Gute didn't make the trade I proposed"

What trade? Did you miss the part there has to be a willing trade partner?

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PhantomII's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:31 pm

SF moved over Gute for Aiyuk. Of course I don't think Minn would trade with us. My point is if we offer 2-#1's for #20 we get our new #1 WR and Adams gets richer elsewhere. Gute could have stayed where he was for Claypool.....You know guy 6'4 great hands runs a 4.4 40. Hurts is starting already and looks good doing it with a run option to boot. Perfect for ML system. We will never know what Gute could have done.....just what he should have done, instead, even if it is not drafting Love. I think Love eventually is pretty good, but it will take all 4 yrs. to get there. I can't help but see what our offense could have been with Jefferson and Adams or Adams and Claypool for a couple years at least.

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Archie's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:37 pm

"......The consolation was Claypool that we did not have to move up for...."

Absolutely correct.

Once they selected Love, they were hell-bent on Dillon and DeGuara so there was no way they could pick Claypool unless they gave up the next year's #1 pick.

I am still optimistic that Love, Dillon and DeGuara are going to work out better than most of Packer Nation believes. But I sure would have liked to have found a way to nab Claypool in that draft.

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13TimeChamps's picture

August 08, 2021 at 07:28 pm

And 31 teams wished they had picked Montana in the 1979 draft. Isn't 20/20 awesome? Makes all of us armchair GMs ready for our HOF inductions.

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PhantomII's picture

August 08, 2021 at 09:02 pm

I think most everyone wanted a WR in this draft. Jefferson and Claypool were a couple that hit the ground running as advertised. All you have to do is look at the highlight reel, like any great GM or scout, no nothing but what you see fan for 40 years know.

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Lphill's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:29 pm

Why not trade out of the first round then and add depth at D line or corner or receiver I don’t buy they made a random pick for a QB .

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

August 08, 2021 at 01:45 pm

This is what happens when you are consistently picking at the end of the round. I wanted to see the Packers pick a WR also but have no problem with the Love pick after the way things developed. After all the retreads we had at backup QB it was past time to invest in the position. I just think no one imagined how thin-skinned Rodgers would be about it.

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RedRight49's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:24 pm

It is difficult to believe that the Front Office “ traded up” for one particular player unless they acquired the draft pick of the team “currently on the board”.

To trade up and loose a 4th rounder without 100% certainty that the one desired player was absolutely there and theirs to select would be some sort of “ draft felony “.

To select a QB as the team’s Number 1 draft choice ( together with a 4th round pick ) has to imply the FO had lots of research and a high interest on that QB -and - must have considered the likely reaction from their current future HOF QB at seeing his replacement selected as the team’s Number 1.

And it would seem reasonable that at some time prior to the selection both the Head Coach and the Team President were made aware of the potential drafting of a Round One QB to soon replace their current HOF bound QB.

The drafting of “ the heir apparent “ obviously would have ramifications with the current occupant of the QB throne.

Did the FO “ trade up “ to take a particular WR at 26 as suggested in the article?

While an interesting thought , there is not enough evidence presented to support the WR trade theory.

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Ratpack's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:29 pm

I've wondered the same thing since they drafted Love. Why trade up for a guy many evaluated as a third round pick? It would have made more sense drafting Patrick Queen as he would have started and the salary would have gone to a starter. Plus Tim Boyle was no worse or better than Love. I think Gute is average at best in terms of evaluating talent. The first draft other than the first pick was a disaster. Second draft good to great. Third draft terrible. This year not bad. Really odd how his talent evaluations some years jive with pundits and others are distantly off.

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ImaPayne's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:04 pm

Your answer and all the answers may be that Gutt, who many of us and football insiders as well think drafts poorly, took a change hoping if Love ends up being a great pick he, Gutt will look the genius he aint.
I would not be surprised if this pick was over brused ego's.

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Ratpack's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:23 pm

In all honesty nobody knows, right? I was shocked and upset when it happened and that is nothing against JLo. Ultimately, I think the team will dump Adams and Rodgers next year and Love just hands the ball off with an occasional pass. Chances of landing 3 HOF caliber qbs are slim....not even.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2021 at 05:04 pm

In some football savvy circles, Love was the #two rated QB behind Herbert , then Burrows a # three and Tua filling the field. Longterm viewpoints.

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flackcatcher's picture

August 08, 2021 at 02:39 pm

Shorter Irons: I got nothing...

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ImaPayne's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:01 pm

One big fly in this ointment. The Niners, Jets, Jax did not draft a QB to spend three years in development. If the Pack traded Rodgers they would have had super draft capital to move up and grab a great QB and probably a Jefferson too.
You dont take a Love and let him take his time to learn the system and find out he cant cut it and you spent a 1, money, and time for nothing.
If he cant read a defense he is more then useless he is costly. The top guys chosen played Div I in tough competition and suceeded. Love isnt a plan. He's third round backup

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nostradanus's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:06 pm

MLF was fist pumping when they drafted Love. Would they have taken Jefferson? Probably, but when he was gone Love was clearly their guy.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2021 at 03:43 pm

Is that literally true that LaFleur was fist-pumping when the Packers drafted Love?
It would indicate that Love was not an unenthusiastically-selected afterthought, but considered a real find at that point in the draft.
Even if the Packers preferred other players at other positions in that draft, a fist pump by MLF at the time is strong evidence that they were really happy with who they got.
They knew Love was a risk, but one with possibly a big reward. None of these first-round QBs is a sure things, as in Rosen, Haskins, Trubisky, Darnold (which is not to rule those guys out for future success, as in Steve Young, Gannon, Testaverde, and Flutie).
Outside of Trevor Lawrence, Love may be the most talented QB taken in the past two drafts.

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Bure9620's picture

August 09, 2021 at 04:50 pm

MLF had a smile from ear to ear after the pick. He looked like me on the autobahn......

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HankScorpio's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:15 pm

There is no way to make any sense of the Packers choice to trade up for Jordan Love. They jumped teams that were not going to draft a QB. It makes even less sense if they were moving up to draft a WR that was already off the board. I hope to gawd they are not that stoopid.

It's not the only head-scratcher trade up. Savage was rated much lower by the DIC. Maybe they could have sat tight and gotten him anyways. Maybe not, I suppose. The most baffling choice of all was giving up a 4th to move up for Amari Rodgers in the 3rd. No matter how good you think Rodgers is, that's too much to give up. Because the operative word is "think". You don't know. It's the draft. You never know.

Gute's use of draft capital to move up has me wondering if he lacks the patience to be great at the draft. I don't have much issue with his picks. It's still a little early in his tenure to really make an informed judgement. But he seems to think that 4th round picks are poison or something. It's crazy the way he gives them away.

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PhantomII's picture

August 08, 2021 at 06:28 pm

I'm ok with moving up for Amari. It's pretty obvious to everyone but you he is a good Slot weapon who played good competition. Picking late Round 3 is pretty much a 4th round selection. If we were not in back to back NFCC games maybe I see your logic....we need to win NOW.

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Packers0808's picture

August 08, 2021 at 04:50 pm

After all this commotion makes me wonder after watching Love last night if drafting him at all was a very bright move! Watching him fumble twice and never even trying to recover either leads one to believe he is either afraid or doesn't have QB instincts to try and recover the ball. He ran away from the ball after fumbling rather than going towards it! Typed same message and for some reason the owner of this column was chicken hearted and removed the truth!

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Lester Roggenbauer's picture

August 08, 2021 at 05:04 pm

Well.... Let's start with the truth... It's a little hard to judge a QB performance when every snap had to be either picked off the ground (from "shotgun") or didn't even get to his hands (under center). those things throw timing and footwork immediately off schedule. Jake Hanson is not a viable center. Obviously, I believe Jenkins is the backup plan there when Bak gets on the field, but lord have mercy if something happens to Myers before then.

Now for Love... I will say that I am more than a little concerned about his arm strength. His throws down the field we weak. Of course nearly every play he had a defender free to his face before the play timing could progress. I would have liked to see him play with the #1's.

As for the draft pick... I think Gute is a very smart man. In today's NFL you need 2 solid QB's on the roster that you can win with if you want to survive. Rodgers hasn't always played every game of the season with his fragile body, and some pretty good teams didn't achieve their potential because we didn't have a decent backup, so maybe a little motivation with the pick propelled him to take better care of himself and take the checkdown once in a while.

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Bure9620's picture

August 09, 2021 at 09:06 am

There are very few scouts concerned about Love's arm strength......The ball jumps off his hand pretty effortlessly..he can spin it.....I am curious why you believe his arm strength is a concern??
Most Love detractors had/have other concerns about him...

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Coldworld's picture

August 09, 2021 at 09:24 am

I’d guess he’s thinking about reports of ducks or floaters. I think the missing piece of information here is that if you can throw the type of ball he did to Bagelton, the arm is there but that kind of release relies on decisiveness. When a thrower is uncertain, hesitates, or fails to fully commit, it affects more than just timing and velocity but the whole action. This is the kind of thing one expects from a young QB. Rodgers had these issues too at first.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:04 pm

Because in scrimmages and practice you don't go after a fumbled ball. Especially not a QB.
It only matters in the game and does shake QBs up quite often.
Very bad comment.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 09, 2021 at 02:11 am

It is interesting how everybody here knows which player is valued as excellent (1st round pick), which one as very good ( 2nd round), good etc. So every one here knows how to draft. Interesting.

I admit I'm completely clueless which player should be drafted in which round. But I notice that many publicly made draft board contains 80% busts through first 3 rounds. Like Johnny "The Football" Manziel or predicted 1st round pick QB, who is trying today to stay in NFL as TE. That guy from Florida.

Also, I see how many would trade 20 years of your team for 1 SB. That is selfish. Ask Jets fans, or Lions fans etc.

How ridiculous was decision of Bill Belichik to start 6th rounder QB instead of "proved" NFL QB. Today Packers QB, Aaron Rodgers would love to be in his boots

And, at the end of this comment, I just want to ask you all, do you remember how many fumbles had AR during his TCs and 2 first seasons as stating QB.

Even Mahomes was sitting behind Alex Smith for one full year! And, do not forgot that this is really the first season for Jordan Love.

Thank you

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Duneslick's picture

August 08, 2021 at 11:18 pm

Should not have traded unless their guy was there. SF outmaneuvered them and they panicked. Love was not a first rd talent

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 09, 2021 at 03:32 am

I don't need to speculate to form my opinion. I doubt that GB traded up while not noticing that the players they wanted were gone.

I think Gute thought AR was declining. Whether that was due to age or an inability to be coached or a combination of both is unimportant.

The timing was off. The draft was in May. GB knew there would be no OTAs, and there was more TC than I thought the NFL could pull off. GB knew no OTAs, no minicamp, probably no preseason games and probably a truncated TC, if it wasn't eliminated entirely. Perhaps they thought there would be no season at all and the contracts would toll.

AR wanted to be a Packer for life. He wanted to play five more years at least. Spare me the Shailene theories since that is 100% speculation.

The contracts were off. Drafting a QB meant that the QB position would have one cheap year on a rookie deal plus a 5th year option. GB took a $1.4M dead money hit when they traded Favre.

Everyone knew Love was a project and probably needed a year and probably more. [See the next line.]

FO knew AR held grudges and was a diva. I wrote that AR had a little diva in him several years ago, but at least he doesn't have his own special locker/locker room. [Maybe the Love selection motivated AR but no one knows that.]

The team was very good, but needed more talent to get over the hump. Didn't get much immediate help, and probably lost more than it gained.

The only way it makes sense to draft Jordan Love is if Love turns out to be at least pretty good - top 12 QB, I suppose. Even then it is still preparing for the future at the expense of the present. It makes more sense to select Love if he is a top 7 QB. Maybe he will be.

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flackcatcher's picture

August 09, 2021 at 02:15 pm

I agree TGR, but we all forget how close the season came to being canceled. Credit NFLPA president JC Tretter and player rep Aaron Rodgers for rallying the players to force the league to play last season. I hate to harp on this, we tend to overlook just how much Rodgers play had slipped over the last two seasons. Drafting a (maybe) future starter at QB had to have more urgency with Father Time sneaking up on Rodger's blind side. If one looks at the Packers draft, there is a defined split last year. Outside of Love, Dillion and Degura were players drafted for a position in MLF's offense. In other words, they were starters right out of the gate. The rest, especially the OL was for the future. In fact, if one looks at this year's draft, the same picture appears with Meyers, Stokes that big old DL whose name I just forgot and WR A Rodgers. (before the trade) Everyone else, especially on defense and the OL is a future core player or starter. And let us not forget the effect of the Cap on the Packer drafts. By 2018 Gute was facing a serious Cap squeeze, which was only going to get worse within the next three-year period. Covid accelerated everything. All in all, drafting a top 5 QB, which Love was is a no-brainer.

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croatpackfan's picture

August 10, 2021 at 07:05 am

"I think Gute thought AR was declining."

But AR is at the declining time. Step by step. How many throws we saw last season from AR which are overthrown, underthrown, behind the player or few inches in front of the player. There are to many and those throws is not always mistake of WR, RB or TE. That was clear that father time started to work against Aaron Rodgers.

Does Aaron Rodgers play still on the highest level? Yes. But, despite he can throw the ball 60+ yards downfield, if you are honest, you can see that father time influence started.

Also, we knows that scout evaluation of AR was that he is pretty cocky. This past off season we noticed how huge is that problem.

Additional, I would like to add that it looks like Packers went better against teams by forcing MFL system than by let Aaron throws all around the field. This is my impression after I watched again all games from last season during my vacation (18 games in complete - one game per day!). When Aaron started to throwing the ball like maniac, Packers lost that games. As they lost NFCCG after 3 TO made by Packers D.

So, "The team was very good, but needed more talent to get over the hump." is statement I do not know on which part of the team you are talking about - O or D. ST are awful, so there is nothing to say more. D showed up when it was of the utmost importance, Aaron Rodgers failed pushing the ball to Davante. So, maybe, it was lack of talent at QB, not at the other part of the team.

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Bure9620's picture

August 09, 2021 at 08:35 am

I realize there are a lot people whom dislike Gutekunst and also alot of Love haters. Some seemed determined to prove he is a bust and a wasted pick. Those are the ones loving this article and trying to point out operational malfeasance.
The notion Brian Gutekunst had no idea what he was doing draft day and was targeting a WR and other players and then just happened to randomly trade up for a QB because that's all that was left is ludicrous (not the Rapper)...GMs do not trade up in the 1st to randomly go get a QB....this is not even how draft boards and war rooms work. Love was targeted, he was his guy and likely MLF's guy too. When they were close enough pick wise to make a deal and get him, they did. It really is that simple. Did Gute want to trade up for Love? as the title of this ridiculous article tries to sow that doubt, YES he did.......That's why he did it.......As far as trading a 4th to move up?? Who cares???? 3rd day picks are draft currency and that is how Gute sees it here too. Why? Simple. Because most 3rd day picks don't hit..for every Aaron Jones or Bahktiari there are 40 other ones not getting 2nd contracts. I have zero issue with trading a pick to go get a guy you targeted and you believe to be a core player. Same with Amari Rodgers, Gute thought about taking him in the 2nd. He went up and got his guy in the 3rd.

I also don't doubt the Packers "liked" Aiyuk. But Gutekunst didn't trade up for Aiyuk. He traded up for Jordan Love. Get over it, no the Packers didn't draft a WR over a year ago. Get over it...

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:00 pm

Either way it wasn't a leak.
The Packers' needs were well known and high RAS tackles were gone, and if you thought WR was the need, as many did, it was obvious that ONLY Aiyuk would fit Gutey's value system of RAS versus draft slot.
So, perhaps that was his intent and SF scuttled it.
But there was no malice or any leak involved because SF could have figured that one out on their own.

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JLab3's picture

August 09, 2021 at 05:28 am

The Packers had multiple chances to win the NFC Championship game against Tampa in the 4th quarter, at home. Had Rodgers played well in those crucial possessions none of this would have been an issue.

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zoellner25's picture

August 09, 2021 at 08:47 am

Can we maybe stop living in the past and move on already?

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SpikeHyzer's picture

August 09, 2021 at 04:57 pm

Horribly speculative and just plain dumb analysis.

EVERYBODY on earth was clamoring for a WR and it was rated a very high position of need by all analysts across the country.
It's also well known that Gutey likes the guys with a high RAS and ranks each round and position calibrated to a RAS value.

SF was not informed, nor did a magic psychic foresee it for them.

They knew that with Jefferson gone the Pack would pick Aiyuk.

WHO DIDN'T?

No one.

Which is why there is no conspiracy or leak.

Also, Gutey is exceptional at drafting. He takes a more modern and scientific approach. Then teaches football (or hires good guys who do).

He's already 10 times better than Thompson, who had one or two good ones early in the Rodgers era and then stuck for over 10 years until he was gone.

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IckyBadger's picture

August 10, 2021 at 10:28 am

I think Gutey was being honest on draft night, when he said that they had been planning to move up for other players, but they were gone, so they decided to move up for the quarterback they really liked.

After this week's report, it seems like they had a tentative trade worked out with Miami, but the OTs, Jefferson, and Aiyuk were gone. So they had the choice to go through with the trade or stay pat. They really liked Love, so they went ahead with the trade.

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HarryHodag's picture

August 10, 2021 at 10:32 am

My understanding of a draft board is this: you take the highest rated player. Some teams pick the highest player based on need, others pick the highest player available.

There is no way of knowing for sure who will be available when you pick. How many drafts have the 'experts' picked wrong?

You have 10 minutes at most to make the selection. 10 minutes! Not an hour, a day, less than a quarter-hour!

My take is Love was among a pool of top players left on the board among the top picks. The Packers first round value picks were gone. When it looked like another team might draft him, Gute made the move regardless of position or need. It was gutsy and long term might be genius depending on how Love turns out.

The idea that the Packers would call pseudo-personnel director Aaron Rodgers and talk to him about it is really wacko. They simply didn't have time. Love appeared to have the potential to develop given time.
So long term, what pick might work out to the greater good, an offensive tackle, a lesser receiver or a potential franchise QB?

It's not that difficult to figure out. But the 30-something guys who have Aaron's jersey on their bedroom walls all think the Packers did a dirty on 'poor' Aaron. It doesn't work out that way and just might pay off long term. If Love doesn't work out, you move on. Ted Thompson didn't NEED to draft a QB in 2005. He shocked the world and did, but somehow this current situation is different. Thompson had no idea Rodgers would still be on the board. He made a gutsy call and it paid off.

Time for all to recognize the Packers front office wants the team to succeed, not do a dirty on the QB.

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