Cory's Corner: Jordan Love Is Ready

Love has graduated from practice player to team mouthpiece. 

Jordan Love could start in the season opener at New Orleans on Sept.12.

Since we still have not heard anything from Aaron Rodgers and since he hasn’t shown up in Green Bay yet, the Packers are trying to prepare for the season. 

Now does that mean that Love isn’t going to have the mistakes and growing pains that every starting quarterback in the NFL goes through when taking the reins? Of course not. 

You don’t have to look any further than the mandatory minicamp this week. On the first day, Love was 12-for-23 and wasn’t able to get the offense past the 50 during the two-minute drill. The next day, things changed completely. The second-year quarterback was 20-for-31 and had four completions of at least 30 yards — including a surgical 45-yard touchdown pass to Allen Lazard after he got the defense to jump offsides. On the third day, Love threw his first pick that was returned for a touchdown by rookie corner Eric Stokes. Love also lost a fumble but balanced it out by tossing a pair of touchdowns in red zone drills. 

“Last year, obviously I wasn’t in that role,” said Love after the last day of minicamp, who never even dressed for a game last year after the Packers traded up to take him 26th overall. “That was Aaron’s voice being heard and whatnot. Now I’ve just got to be able to take that next step and take command of it and lead these guys.”

That really impresses me. Now, I will be honest. I wasn’t overly excited when Love was drafted. I liked Love’s athletic skill set but I was surprised the Packers opted to burn assets on a quarterback that averaged nearly 10 picks a season at Utah State. 

But Love’s poise is absolutely blowing me away. He didn’t sign up for any of this Rodgers stuff. Yet, he knows how valuable each and every rep is for him, his pass catchers and for the assurance of head coach Matt LaFleur. 

“Obviously this is a time when I’m getting a lot of extremely valuable reps that I might not be getting in a normal circumstance,” Love said after the second day of minicamp. “I’m just going to take it day-by-day, but, yeah, that’s what I’m here for. I was drafted here to play quarterback. So I’ll definitely be ready Week 1.”

That’s huge right there. It not only gives confidence to the coaching staff and his teammates that he wants to be the starting quarterback, but it also tells me that he doesn’t have a problem with all of the No. 12 noise. 

And no matter how you slice it, no Rodgers in Green Bay is a distraction. It has become a national debate topic for weeks now. However, Love has managed to spin this into a positive. Here’s a guy that barely saw the field last year and now he has graduated into being the mouthpiece of an organization. 

Usually a graduation happens after lengthy work and preparation. However, this happened at a moment’s notice. And Love has made the Dean’s List for crisis communication. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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stockholder's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:07 am

Anybody could start, other then Rodgers on this site. Which leads me to say this. Your NOT backing Love. Your backing Gute. You don't really care if Love is good or not. Just add more fuel to the Fire. And make Rodgers public enemy #1. Good bye to experience. Good Bye player rights. Good Bye Salary/ Cap numbers. Good Bye Rodgers. The Love chain is about adding Links. It's about keeping all "arm chair " GMs in their place. It's about making The guy with the money beg. It's about getting the microscope off Gute's Back! And feeling sorry for Love. Rodgers is your Dirty Rat, and he wants off this ship now. But the truth is your masking the failure on the FO side. Their not without blame in all this. Regardless how you want to shift it.

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Coldworld's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:27 am

I think we all want Love to be good enough. But whether he is is impossible to know. It certainly won’t be smooth. It never is with a new QB. Love has thrown more passes in mini camp than he did all last season in practice.

Those pointing out that the current system is more conducive to inserting any QB are, in my opinion, right and fairly clearly so. More conducive does not equate to easy.

Moreover, if the system is more new QB friendly, that’s got nothing g to do with Gute. That’s is LaFleur and, at inception, what Murphy bought in to, as he put it, when he hired LaFleur. So it’s Murphy electing to go that way and LaFleur having the vision, not Gute.

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Savage57's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:31 am

Perhaps try decaf?

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Guam's picture

June 12, 2021 at 08:08 am

Nailed it Savage57!!!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:26 am

Well I'll give you credit sh - you never miss an opportunity to disparage Gutekunst. I'm starting to think that it's personal. What did he do - steal your girl at the sock hop?

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Packerpasty's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:07 am

you are correct Stockholder, the hate for Rodgers runs unusually deep...strange how no one really knows the situation but don't care, they just hate Rodgers now...I guess its his personality..Gute's and Murphy are nothing special in the world of football management that will play out.

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Swisch's picture

June 16, 2021 at 09:31 pm

The fans don't hate Aaron Rodgers; we like the guy and have been big supporters of him for many years. Generally speaking, we care about Rodgers as a player and person, and want him to succeed for his sake and ours.
However, he's really making it tough on us. He hasn't given us one compelling reason as to why he is being oppressed enough to risk ruining this highly promising season for the Packers.
Without needing to go into details, he has had the opportunity all along to speak about any noble principles he is standing up for with personal honor.
Instead, he seems aloof and sly and self-absorbed. He's enthusiastic about hosting Jeopardy and vacationing in Hawaii with his actress fiancee, but remote from us as fans in drawing us into his cause, whatever it may be.
It takes a lot for a guy scheduled to make $37 million this season to get the fans on his side at any time, especially during the desolation of COVID. It doesn't seem as though Rodgers has really tried all that hard to rally us to his side.
We're straining to be fair to Rodgers, to be open to his side of the story, but it's all dragging on so very long -- and, again, there doesn't seem to be any there there as far as a legitimate grievance on his part.
Even now, I think most of us would gladly take Rodgers back if he showed some humility in saying he got carried away with himself, and that he's dedicated to following his coaches in leading the Packers to a Super Bowl.
So I think the fans are being more than fair in supporting Rodgers. I could be way wrong, but it seems that it's Rodgers who is letting all of us down in a huge way.

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dobber's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:36 am

Well stated, Swisch. I think this take is spot on.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

June 12, 2021 at 12:41 pm

Nice job! I couldn't have stated the situation as well as you did.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:42 am

Indeed, well put, as Dobber said. I can not help suspecting that, with the passage of time, Rodgers will come to realize that he let himself down too. It is a shame.

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 12, 2021 at 04:41 pm

I don't hate Rodgers. Being an arrogant grudge holder does not deserve "hate". Loss of respect, yes. That is not hate.

He is losing the PR battle big time in an imaginary mistreatment drama most fans simply do not inderstand.

He has a big brain...yet he is rather goofy.

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stockholder's picture

June 12, 2021 at 04:56 pm

I believe Rodger's will come out soon and announce his forced retirement. And if he gets traded because of that. I'm expecting him to re-work his contract.

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Stroh's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:06 pm

I don't think it's really hate for Rodgers, as much as it is frustration with the situation. Then add that it appears, if you listen to the media, that he doesn't want to be a part of the Packers anymore. Personally I'm not upset with either and view it as a business stance on both sides. But that requires fans to take emotion out of the equation, and most that's impossible.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 12, 2021 at 12:25 pm

A fair critique and a cannon shot at the Fans.

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Wrongbayfeldlman's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:37 pm

Good bye to honoring your deal. The deal you signed.
Good bye to the team’s salary cap.
Rodgers is a vindictive, selfish crybaby.
He cares not for the fans, the team or his teammates.
He could’ve handled this quietly instead of creating a circus atmosphere on what could be the best team in football

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hacksaw61's picture

June 15, 2021 at 05:41 am

Let me point out that the "circus atmosphere" was created by Adam Schefter and the bandwagoned by other "sports jounalists". This crap is all conjecture and people trying to read between the lines.

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BrettGB's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:14 am

Here's the thing, we only know one side of this, and that's the Packers' side. It's impossible to look at this from Rodgers point of view, because we don't know why he's upset, or what he wants. We're not entitled to get that explanation, but it is what it is, this is what we know, and that's what we're left to work with. A quarterback, superstar or no, refusing to play for his team for unclear reasons. As fans, we're left to talk about and root for who's left, and in the center of that is Jordan Love the likely replacement in the most important spot on the field. There's nothing wrong with that. That said, it's safe to say that Rodgers has a legit reason for this. I think he's earned enough respect over the years to say that he's not just being a selfish whiny superstar, no, there's something there, which friends of his seem to think are fixable, we just don't know what exactly is up, just guesses, and that is why we are where we are with this.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:45 am

We really don’t know either side. We know what Rodgers wanted out there and that GB want him back. We don’t know why Rodgers us holding out with any clarity. Therefore I disagree with your take.

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BrettGB's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:01 pm

I feel like the Packers' side is pretty much out there. Rodgers is an elite player, and they want him on their team. The only question is why isn't he? That's Rodgers' side of the story, and the part we can only guess at as it is now.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:37 am

So when Rodgers started we were only backing Ted then right?

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Guam's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:11 am

Leadership is a very useful asset in a QB, but Love will only be able to exercise that leadership if he is successful with his play on the field. While I hope to see him have great success, I think I will wait awhile before anointing him as the Packers next leader.

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SanLobo's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:15 am

Cory, I’ll assume the editor writes the headline. Because if the article’s conclusion is, “Love has made the Dean’s List for crisis communication.” the headline was leading us down a different path.

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JerseyAl's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:33 pm

Note that I do not write the headlines...

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:15 pm

Yeah, sure, Al...

Lol.

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Savage57's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:31 am

Should it come to pass Love is named Day 1 starter-by-necessity, he's going to have his confidence and resolve tested mightily. To say he's ready for that role following his first three-day audition as QB1 is as optimistic as it is premature.

How he's handling it now, in the theoretical world of mini-camp in shorts, is light-years different than his reactions to sacks, fumbles, picks, the inevitable mistakes he'll make in games with meaning. And he'll be reminded and hectored about those mistakes with gusto and glee by the faction of the mob resenting he's even wearing a Packers uniform. We may get to see Love's most important skill on display, hoeing some of the toughest of rows the inception of one's career as a NFL QB present him. I hope the poise and confidence we're hearing now carries forward to those times he'll be required to call upon it.

Equally interesting will be seeing how the new, Joe Barry defense responds to the change in its relative importance and their increased need to dominate should they be asked to defend in a Rodgers-free world.

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croatpackfan's picture

June 12, 2021 at 08:27 am

Jordan Love said he will work heavy and will do what is nesessary to be prepared for the start of the season as starter, if that opportunity will happen to be.

He did not proclaim he is already there.

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Savage57's picture

June 12, 2021 at 08:37 am

The author implied he was ready. I have a different take, thus my post.

The gulf between saying and doing is a large one, especially when 80K unhappy fans are in full throat.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:40 am

There are some fans whom liked the Love pick

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:03 am

Absolutely could not agree more. And very well stated. Love's 3day Minicamp debut is light-years from what he'll be exposed to in preseason, much less regular season plays. I would say it's foolish to make any sort of proclamation about Loves readiness for wk 1 vs VO.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:53 am

I will be interested to find out anything about the Barry defense.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:54 am

Watch the Rams D last year. That's the blueprint. Some variations due to different personnel obviously. LaFleur hired him to implement that scheme.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:33 pm

I’ve watched them, the personnel are the interesting challenge. Let’s see how he attempts to bridge that gap and how it affects how and what he does in comparison.

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Handsback's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:17 am

It’s too far out to proclaim Love is ready to play. Put the pads on and then see what he can do. I must say the pick make Gutsey look smarter for anticipating Rodgers being gone.

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Coldworld's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:18 am

Um, no, and he doesn’t need this kind of hugely precipitative anointment. It’s akin to looking at the build of a first rounder and draft day and measuring the player for his Canton Jacket.

Love is clearly relatively eloquent. That’s a good thing. There are signs he’s good at building relationships with his team mates. That will help him IF he can establish himself as a player. That’s it at this stage.

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Johnblood27's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:37 am

I haven't heard a word about how Bortles is doing in the MLF offense.

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:45 am

I think that the recent mini-camp was an intentional Love-in. Although I think that Bortles did get some snaps in but not many. I expect the same for next week's OTAs. Where I think that Bortles will become more of a factor is during the July training camp - especially if Rodgers doesn't return. If so, I wouldn't be surprised if Bortles was the opening day QB - giving Love more time to 'gently' transition to the NFL game.

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dobber's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:43 am

I think a lot of teams with young QBs took notice of how Miami worked Tua and Fitzmagic last fall. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of this kind of work in the future with an experienced vet sharing time with a young QB.

In this particular case, Bortles has been a backup for the Rams and has practiced this kind of offense for a couple years...he just hasn't had many game snaps. His relationship to Hackett added, this made him an ideal, cheap, vet insurance signing.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:01 am

Most days it was approximately Love 15: Bortles 2 with 3 going to the third QB. This is all about Love. In fairness the team had said that would happen well before the Rodgers situation blew up.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:41 am

He had barely any reps. Almost all were Love.

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Lare's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:44 am

Ah yes, jump on the "praise Love" bandwagon.

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EricinGB's picture

June 12, 2021 at 08:07 am

Let's be fair to Love. Much needs to happen and be resolved for the TEAM to be ready week one regardless of whether it's Rodgers or Love. To proclaim ondividual or team readiness befor July preseason or that Love is the spokesman for the team (befor preseason) is to declare oneself either a fool or a tool. The article says much more about the author than it does about anything else.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:42 am

Unfortunately no one will be fair to love just as no one was fair to Rodgers. Packer fans tend to be a bit irrational even more so than some other fan bases.

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:37 pm

I think when you get generational QBs with careers well into a second decade, many remember no one else. In the age of the casual fan, many only really know the QB and others are more QB fans than fans if the team. Certainly that was the feeling I got from the Favre transition. I’m not sure it was different in NE.

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ckoski's picture

June 12, 2021 at 03:52 pm

If Love starts week 1, it will be out of necessity, not because anyone, including his biggest supporters, really wants him to. Even for the Love believers, he was always going to need time to develop the raw talent. Just one of the many reasons why I hated this draft pick was because even in the best-case scenario, he was going to spend two or three years sitting and watching Rodgers, and wasting the potential cap benefits of a QB on a rookie contract. 2020 was not 2005. The team was in a very different place, the game itself has changed, Aaron is not Brett, and Jordan is not Aaron.

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blondy45's picture

June 12, 2021 at 08:47 am

Until Love gets game action, not preseason OTA practice, he will always be the QB who has not had an NFL snap. Love is working towards that goal, to get that game experience. The time is coming, then we can quit having the media harp on his lack of NFL readiness. The Love era is coming sooner than expected. Like any other NFL newly drafted player, new NFL FA, or a NFL player with game experience, we have to see how that player fits into the Packer's system. Practice gives us an idea, but live NFL action is the ultimate report card. I am excited for the makeup of this 2021 team. Go Pack Go!

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 12, 2021 at 09:39 am

Jordan Love is ready? Really? After a 3 day mini-camp in shorts?

Could we at least wait for a pre-season game or two? Even then it would be too early to make such an assessment.

I'm sorry, but this is a silly article.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 10:21 am

I think Corey is suggesting Love is ready to start. He is as ready as Herbert or Tua or Justin Fields and Lawrence. He likely has a better supporting cast than all of the young QBs as well.

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jont's picture

June 12, 2021 at 09:41 am

Enthusiasm and hope should fill every football fan's heart this time of year. The team is unbeaten and unbeatable! The #1 pick will be terrific!

At the same time nobody wants Love to play (except those who've come to dislike Aaron Rodgers as a person and Bears fans), but we have hope and look for some indication that our hope has at least some basis in fact.

I think it would be glorious if Love joins 4 and 12 in the HOF, but at this point he sounds and looks like any other 1st round pick: a sharp fellow with a long way to go.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 12, 2021 at 12:30 pm

It's Baseball Season, I'll wait for the leaves to turn before propping up any opinion.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 12, 2021 at 01:55 pm

Yes, the article is ambiguous. However what I took from it is that Love is ready to be an NFL QB - not that he currently is one - due more to his off-field performance(s) - with his eloquence and poise. Of course it's a quantum leap from a training camp to a regular season game. However, it appears that Love, at least, exhibits some of the communication and leadership skills that is useful in eventually becoming a bona fide NFL QB.

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 12, 2021 at 12:35 pm

We knew that last year after the draft, reading his Bio and life path.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

June 12, 2021 at 09:22 pm

Well said Alberta!

Classy, poised, intelligent, and socially adept.

I will go even further and predict Love will follow in the lines of Favre, and Rodgers as being an excellent QB for many years. This is a young QB that will not hit his prime for another 5 or 6 years, and who will continually improve.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:59 am

There is no way to even know of Love is ready to be even a middle of the road QB, much less a winning or elite NFL QB.

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Packerpasty's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:09 am

wow, is he in the Packer Hall of Fame already? Sounds like Cory would put him there. Funny stuff.

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Since'61's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:19 am

First if we're going to take anything from Love's second day of practice in shorts we should should also consider the meaning of his first day debacle in shorts.

More importantly, just to put the meaning of mini-camps into perspective, the Texans and the 49ers have canceled their mini-camps. So much for the importance of June mini-camps. Let's see where we are at when the preseason injury factory is over. Thanks, Since '61

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Swisch's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:47 pm

After Jordan Love's first shaky day of minicamp, with all of the controversy surrounding his selection in the first round of the 2020 draft, and then the melodrama of Aaron Rodgers, our new quarterback did indeed show poise and grit in his dazzling display on day two.
It had to be a huge surge of confidence for his teammates to see this young guy show the skills and the character to pass his first big test in the NFL. It gives all of us Packer backers at least the hope that this guy could be a star. That's a big deal.
It's true we never really know about these first-round quarterbacks for perhaps a couple of seasons or more, and it'll be difficult for us to be patient. However, outside of Trevor Lawrence, out of all these young guns from the past few drafts, Love right now seems as promising as any.
If he can approach Justin Herbert's rookie year of last season, the Packers could win ten games with Love this season and make the playoffs. With all of the talent the Packers seem to be accumulating and developing, it could be a really fun ride with Love as our dynamic field leader.
One key will be him staying within LaFleur's coaching system. He could actually be better than Rodgers in the way of getting more of his teammates involved in the offense and creating a better overall energy.
Then Love has to show a spark to make enough good plays to balance his mistakes. He has to show a certain resilience in keeping his composure during the hard times, and then a verve in being able to come back with some big plays to give the team a lift.
As fans, our role is to support the guy through thick and thin. As long as Love is putting forth the effort and demonstrating the determination, then we have to have his back.
We can indeed help this guy to succeed to his benefit, team accomplishment, and our enjoyment. Let's give him every help in leading the Packers to football glory.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:33 am

"...to see this young guy show the skills and the character to pass his first big test in the NFL"

No disrespect, but a 3 day mini-camp in shorts in June hardly equates to a "first big test in the NFL". That would be in live action against opposing teams blitzing, harassing, and doing their best to confuse a young QB with zero NFL game experience. Hopefully, he will respond with the skill and character you are seeing at this point.

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Swisch's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:54 am

Hey, he's got a lot of grown men who are looking at him and wondering if he's got what it takes. That's hard for any young QB.
Then add the extra adversity that is being faced by Jordan Love.
I'm impressed already.
I do agree, 13TC, that Love has a long, long ways to go; but I'm not going to underappreciate what the young guy did on Wednesday in wowing his teammates and coaches. He showed a lot in that second practice to at least amount to a great start.
As there will likely be a lot of painful, cringeworthy mistakes made by Love along the way, I think we'll have more fun with the Love Train if we savor all of the good moments along the way, in a kind of mental scrapbook.
I'm hopeful Love can throw in just enough highlights at first to get a good amount of wins for the Packers, and to sustain us fans on his way to possible stardom.
P.S. I think that if Rodgers is gone, Coach LaFleur uses both Love and Bortles a lot this whole season according to the situation. That way, it doesn't look like he's benching Love when he struggles, just giving him a break to get back on his feet. Also, neither QB has to shoulder the entire load of leading the Packers to the playoffs. I think these two guys will work well together for a season under this arrangement.
P.P.S. After Love passes or runs for a touchdown this season, I think the Packers should play the song "Love Train" in celebration. "Start a Love train, Love train."

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:48 am

Well that won't happen preseason either.....vanilla defenses

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TarynsEyes's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:41 am

I see the usual suspects are falling over themselves because Love said what was expected, 'I'm ready to be the starter' because who in the FO would allow him to repeat what has been said by the FO and MLF, ' He has a long way to go', though it seems a long way to go is open for interpretation, which would seem dependent upon the distance between the FO and Rodgers, with Love being relegated back to 3rd string ASAP on the mere mention of a Rodgers return. Yes, Bortles will be the backup less Love really shows huge strides in training camp action, which had best happen as the FO will look totally like fools if Love cannot beat Bortles.

In the meantime,

All together now!

https://youtu.be/_7xMfIp-irg

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:31 am

I was with you until "the FO will look totally like fools if Love cannot beat Bortles." Bortles was a legitimate starting QB - not that long ago. This will be Love's first real training camp. In Rodgers first training camp he referred to himself "as the third-string holder and fourth-string quarterback." Love has yet the work to do that Bortles has already done.

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TarynsEyes's picture

June 12, 2021 at 12:43 pm

The overrating and over drafting of QB's like Bortles, Gabbert, Dalton, Weedon. Ponder etc should be over with the level of day one play or close to, by the more recent Herbert, Burrow, Allen, Watson. The fact that Love was unable to unseat Boyle, regardless of the lost preseason, the learning of the playbook coupled with his assumed talent to mandate a trade-up in the first round should have been enough to have him on the roster and not sitting like any fan who won a game seat on the field bench in street clothes. Thinking Boyle would save the season if Rodgers were to go down, and why Love wouldn't is the biggest insult to fans since we all know the season would be over regardless of the backup if Rodgers went down. Now, we are being told or at least led to believe that after 3 up and down bs mini-camp days and the delivery of a presser of standard and required memorization Love is now ready to lead this team, that too many believe will achieve equal success of the prior two seasons with Rodgers because these fans think Rodgers a traitor and Love the savior simply because they want Gute to be right and Rodgers wrong.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 12, 2021 at 07:07 pm

Your premise is faulty because Love was never given the opportunity to unseat Boyle. It was never part of management's plan last year because of the covid crisis.

As for Love's readiness to be the Day 1 starter this year - seems that you're just seizing on a minority opinion. I think that the majority opinion is that Love, today, is far from ready in leading the team during the regular season.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:53 am

Taryn that was more the plan. The Packers had absolutely no intention of Love dressing last year due to the truncated season. They knew Boyle knew the offense and would backup Rodgers for a year. If you recall, Aaron Rodgers was outplayed in camp by Craig Nall. And Rodgers HAD an offseason and preseason games..This "Omg Love never even dressed!" Nonsense in the media is ridiculous. You rather he held the clipboard?

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:20 pm

If Rodgers returns Love will absolutely be the backup, not Bortles! There is a strong possibility that in that case Bortles doesn't make it to the 53 roster and he might be gone altogether. They certainly will not relegate him to 3rd string again!

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badaxed's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:51 pm

.Love is all you need! That was awesome. Thanks.

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jhtobias's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:58 am

Let me help with this article "Love is going to start and play whether he is ready or not."

Time to wake up Packer faithful Rodgers is not coming back. Whether that is him retiring, or being traded.

So temper expectations for this season and move foward. Remember Aaron's first year starting packers lost NFL championship the yr before then they went 6_10 with Rodgers. Geez even stubborn Murphy knows this.

Aaron is a grown man one of the greatest ever but all good things end .

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:17 am

You clearly do not understand Rodgers would be leaving upwards of 30Mvin salary and fines off his financial statement if he doesn't play for the Packers this year. Can he afford it, sure. But who in their right mind leaves 30M+ out of their bank account on purpose?!

And if the Packers trade him it sure as hell won't be this season but next offseason to maximize the return!

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nostradanus's picture

June 12, 2021 at 11:33 am

The real question?
Are we ready for Jordan Love after 30 + years of exceptional QB?
It could be pretty rough early on but.......I’ll watch every damn ugly play right to the very last just like I’ve been doing all my life.
I Love my Green Bay Packers! Go Pack!

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Leatherhead's picture

June 12, 2021 at 12:06 pm

He is farther along than Rodgers or Favre were going into their second training camp.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 12, 2021 at 05:12 pm

Six downvotes?..

He’s taking snaps as the starter!! Favre wasn’t, Rodgers wasn’t.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 12, 2021 at 05:29 pm

Seriously? He's taking snaps as the starter for one reason....Rodgers is holding out. You really think he'd be taking snaps with the 1's if Rodgers was in camp?

Ok, come back with your juvenile, middle school.....blah blah Princess blah Princess blah blah...response. It's as predictable as death and taxes.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 12, 2021 at 06:46 pm

The straight fact is that neither Favre nor Rodgers had done Jack squat after a year in the league. Nobody was calling the future HOFers. Nobody was considering them as a starter anytime soon. Not even their coach or GM. By that measure, Love is clearly farther along after one year than either of them was. It’s not even arguable unless you’re a compulsive nitpicker

Majik got injured and Favre started playing with the first string his second season.
Favre “retired” and Rodgers became the starter in his fourth season.

Rodgers isn’t in camp because he’s not the starter anymore, Love is. As in, he’s the putative starter after one year. Which makes him more prepared than Rodgers or Favre were at the same point

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 12, 2021 at 05:38 pm

Man, six down votes for a fair take, Lh? You have quite a few hecklers here.

1991: Falcon's HC Jerry Glanville referred to Favre as a train wreck. Heading for his second training camp in 1992 with the Packers, Favre had done nothing on the field to change that assessment.

I suppose one could argue that Rodgers, coming off his rookie year with a 39.8 QB rating, *was* ahead of Love at that point in his career. I'm inclined to agree with you. And, say what you want about the kid's ability to handle himself with the media, but I think that's an important piece (see Leaf, Ryan.)

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Leatherhead's picture

June 12, 2021 at 06:53 pm

There is a core of nitwits…..

Thanks for at least trying to understand the point, which is legitimate. Some people still aren’t acknowledging Rodgers is gone and Love is our starter. He certainly has shown as much, or more , after one year than the previous guys did. Only a contentious nitwit would dispute that.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 12, 2021 at 09:24 pm

Cool, back to name calling with anyone who disagrees with you. I guess you can't help being who you are. Do you do this in real life as well...calling people disparaging names whenever they disagree with you? You know....when they could actually punch you in your face? I'm guessing probably not.

Love, who I hope succeeds, actually hasn't shown squat at this point. A couple of completed passes in shorts against no defense.

Who cares how he compares against the "previous guys"? Different circumstances, different coaching staffs, different eras.

Just curious....what exactly has he "shown"?

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TarynsEyes's picture

June 12, 2021 at 09:50 pm

He has shown the ability to make believers of those easily entranced.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2021 at 10:07 am

No, I don’t call people names because they disagree with me. I call you Princess because you’ve earned it.

What has Love shown.? Enough so the team has him taking starter snaps. That’s more than Rodgers, or Favre.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 13, 2021 at 10:57 am

"No, I don’t call people names because they disagree with me."

I believe you just called anyone who disagreed with you on this topic 'nitwits'. That's kind of calling people names who disagree with you.

I don't like bullies. And you're the worse kind of bully. One who calls people names while hiding behind the safety and privacy of his computer miles away, because you would never have the courage to do it to their face. A true keyboard warrior.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:20 pm

There it is. Some nitwits disagree, like you. Other nitwits agree.

I detest you because you have repeatedly demonstrated you’d rather talk about people than football. You seem to believe that YOU should decide what people can, and can’t say. I’ve repeatedly asked you to ignore me, but your obsession won’t let you. So you just persist with the petty nitpicking and personal attacks that are your trademark.

Keep it up, please, until it’s apparent to everybody why I call you Princess. And if you’d ever like to come to San Antonio and teach me a lesson, I’ll be happy to oblige you.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:40 pm

Something we have in common. Mutual detest of each other.

You keep posting your "I'm the smartest guy in the room....just ask me" comments. I'll keep posting mine.

You're a total fake. I've seen phonies like you all my life. Particularly during my lovely 13 month jungle vacation in SE Asia. We could always tell when the newbies arrived, which ones were going to shit their pants. The wannabe fake tough guys. Guys just like you. Then the bullets started flying....

Go fuck yourself.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:52 pm

Wow….your panties are certainly in a wad.

Once again, you assume you know stuff you don’t. You won’t ignore me because you’re obsessed. You can’t keep it about football. You consistently demonstrate this. I wish you would just stop the insanity but I know you won’t.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 14, 2021 at 10:22 am

Actually, initially when I respond to any of your posts, it IS about football. But whenever it's in disagreement with something you posted about FOOTBALL, is when your immature name calling starts. Maybe other posters on here don't mind being called drunks and nitwits when they disagree with you, but I wasn't raised that way.

Once again, go fuck yourself.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 14, 2021 at 03:38 pm

So “nitwit”, or in your specific case, a “nitpicking nitwit” is immature name calling, but calling someone a homophobe or misogynist because they think you’re an old woman is ……….What?

And you wonder why I refer to you as a Princess. You don’t get to make the rules.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 14, 2021 at 05:37 pm

I guess you missed the "go fuck yourself".

Is there some reason you keep reaching out? Who's obsessed again?

Go fuck yourself.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 13, 2021 at 02:57 am

I do not acknowledge that it is a given that AR is gone.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 07:32 am

Absolutely correct. LOL !!!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

June 13, 2021 at 07:42 am

No, no - I was expecting LH to write "acceptance" again. Oh well, I know what I acknowledge and what I don't acknowledge, as opposing to thinking I know whether AR is as good as gone or not.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:30 pm

TGR, I thought it was funny, my acceptance of your non acceptance. I love it.

It doesn’t matter. What happens, happens. We are all unified in are wanting the Packers to win a Super Bowl. All this other shit going on? We’re all just trying to figure it out.

I happen to think Aaron Rodgers is gone. You don’t. We’re reasonable men who can disagree on this. At least that’s what me wearing my Aaron Rodgers jersey believes to be true...

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Leatherhead's picture

June 13, 2021 at 10:21 am

You should.

TGR….you cannot unring a bell. The comments that he has made about the GM and the culture are out there. He was absent from team activities. He’s apparently told teammates he doesn’t want to return.

If this were solely about money….. maybe t could be resolved, but you simply can’t put this guy in charge of the team at this point.

You are one of the most astute posters here, but you lack objectivity on this. He doesn’t want to come back, and he’s not going to.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:48 pm

Nobody knows what Rodgers has said, especially the media. The guys that do know are the former teammates and friends who speak for him thru the media. Hawk, James Jones and Kuhn. They all seem to think he could and maybe likely will be back. Listening to anyone in the media besides those 3 is a complete waste. It's not a given either way, but taking the 3 Rodgers friends and Rodgers own stated desire to play for only one team for his career has me leaning towards him being a Packer this season. Beyond that is more complicated due to drafting Love and the salary cap.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 10:31 am

Yes Glanville routinely was on Favre's case. He never even called him by his name, just made fun of him, called him "Mississippi." Favre was also not mentally ready at that point...very immature.

For Rodgers, his throwing mechanics and footwork alone his rookie year.....it was a mess. The game was too fast for him at that point. The Packers drafted Brian Brohm in the second round to compete with Rodgers!! How so many Packers fans forget........

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 10:17 am

Yes this is completely true. Favre lacked maturity and Rodgers was outplayed by Nall....All true...Love is farther along now in year 2 than both Favre or Rodgers were

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jannes bjornson's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:18 am

Watched both Favre and Rodgers in their first training camps. There was no doubt Holmgren would have the hillbilly starting by mid-season. He was head and shoulders above Majik with his tosses. Rodgers and Brett played games throwing the deep ball to the musky net. Both were physically gifted beyond their peers. Ted drafting Brohm was idiotic, to say the least. Another miss with a two pick. He was loathe to just snag a veteran backup as the fill-in.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:00 pm

But this also speaks to development does it not? I don't think anyone really questioned Favre's arm talent......Nor Rodgers......Can he read a defense? Footwork? Improvise? Make the correct read and make the throw?

This is the same with Love. He clearly has arm talent. Watch the ball come off his hand, the release looks pretty effortless to me. Is ready he developmentally?....same thing. You don't really think Holmgren knew Favre was ready do you? He didn't know even when the Majik man got hurt against the Bengals.

Aaron had longer to sit and we had a sample size against Dallas. But that took 2 years......

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:48 pm

I remember the rush to give up on Rodgers. Nall outplayed him by some distance. Certainly wasn’t close. That proved Rodgers was a disaster.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:49 pm

I really doubt that. Rodgers was seen as being relatively close to playing. Love on the other hand was seen as a gifted player physically but needing alot of work fundamentally and mentally. Favre? Who knows he was just a different breed and didn't care about readiness. He just went out and competed and would figure out a way to beat you

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Coldworld's picture

June 13, 2021 at 06:50 pm

Rodgers was far from close in year one, not much better year 2, started to flash before season 3.

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White92's picture

June 12, 2021 at 02:01 pm

Watch out Corey, you are starting to sound like a Bear fan. They've got Fields in the hall of fame already

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dobber's picture

June 12, 2021 at 02:41 pm

Name the last Bears QB who was any good...

Name the last OSU QB who made an impact at the NFL level...

Name the last Urban Meyer QB (yes, I know, but Fields was recruited by Meyer and OSU is still playing an Urban Meyer system) who made a lasting impact at the NFL level...

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 12, 2021 at 05:40 pm

Sid Luckman from the 40s

No clue

Alex Smith. Maybe not a lasting impact, but a decent career I guess.

But I get your point.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 12, 2021 at 10:05 pm

Mike Tomczak kinda sorta, BUT, if you're talking impact I'd have to go with Art Schlichter.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:52 pm

Art Schlister was an absolute bust! Good college QB, but terrible in the NFL.

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LeotisHarris's picture

June 13, 2021 at 03:09 pm

I was just talking impact, Stroh, and Art's impact with his gambling addiction was profound. Sad story all the way around.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 13, 2021 at 11:59 am

Tim Tebow? Before he became a baseball star and a most awesome TE.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:24 pm

You have to admire Tebow though. He was a terrible NFL QB. He sucked at MLB. And now he'll probably be, at best, a mediocre TE. Yet the money and opportunities keep rolling in.

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mbpacker's picture

June 12, 2021 at 02:15 pm

Pro football is a business and important to remember that for both Mgt. and players. I have no idea what has been discussed behind closed doors between Rodgers, his agent , with Gute and front office. None of us know exactly what has been discussed- only assumptions about what hasn't been said or done to this point. It is frustrating to say the least that fans have to sit and wait how this all plays out. Of course, this has been a bonanza for all the media outlets professing to know and former players offering their views, in a slow period of the NFL calendar. The one thing I can say with certainty is that Rodgers seems to like the attention and the Packers don't like the optics. Dang, I just went down the rabbit hole too with my own opinion on the matter. I try and ignore all the noise, but is difficult when the Packer Nation cares deeply for out team. One thing for sure is, there will be clarity at some point soon! Go Pack Go!

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Packer_Fan's picture

June 12, 2021 at 03:13 pm

Naw, Love has a long way to go. Cory, you are reaching!!

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stockholder's picture

June 12, 2021 at 03:29 pm

There it is. Murphy on Rodgers. He's a complicated fellow. I'm sure his girl friend doesn't think so. So it's over. Disrespected, Insults to his intelligence, and a man hard to do business with. Who cared what Murphy thought. This whole situation just ran out of words.

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jurp's picture

June 12, 2021 at 06:36 pm

Being called "complicated" is not an insult. The opposite of "complicated" is "shallow", or worse, "simple, both of which ARE insults. I read the quote too, and I saw nothing really wrong with it, other than that it was unnecessary.

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mbpacker's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:14 pm

Agree, even though Aaron has divided the fans and can be complicated, why say it? Murphy said the least said by both sides is best, agree. So he needs to practice what he preaches. Just another thing Rodgers could view as a slight.

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Stroh's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:58 pm

That was Murphy quoting Ted Thompson say Rodgers is complicated. All that means is highly intelligent multi faceted and capable of thinking on many levels.

As usual you prove to be a simpleton and obviously not complicated.

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PhantomII's picture

June 12, 2021 at 04:24 pm

No young QB has come into a better position to succeed as the Packers are right now. He has a solid OL and Bak close to returning also. A solid run game and a passing game with an elite WR and coached to scheme them open. Solid TE group and a shiny new Slot guy who is ready to roll. The defense is primed for improvement add a few new pieces there also in the secondary and an addition to the DL. We have depth at RB, WR, OL. ML is gonna coach this kids butt off. We are good on Offense and Defense. We have a new ST coach and several additions to that group. He's going to work within the offense. I wish this young man nothing but the best. It is what it is and he was drafted for this eventuality, it has come sooner than expected. We have a lot of money spread around for a Championship caliber team. He's in as good of position for success as one could wish for, just like Rodgers was when he stepped in the show, with much better WR's.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 12, 2021 at 06:56 pm

If we can give him time to do his job, and open holes in the run game, we’re going to be successful on offense.

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:10 pm

Yes. We have not yet seen MLF vision yet. He truly wants to be a run first offense. The drafting of 6 o-linemen in a remake of the oline, the drafting of Dillon, deguara as a blocker suggest this. The ability to run the ball fixes a lot....

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 12, 2021 at 04:58 pm

SF ground pounded the Packers into a SB trip. Their QB was sublime handing off. I think Matt's offense fits a second year QB very well.

Read Jordan Love's back story. He has overcome a lot of adversity. And he wants this. A coach's dream.

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Harold Drake's picture

June 13, 2021 at 12:39 am

Ready for what? If Love is the starting QB for the Packers this season, Green Bay will likely struggle to win six or seven games. This article is pure clickbait for miserable fans whose feelings are hurt by Rodgers' decision to press his case to leave the team unless he is offered substantial guarantees in the $60 million+ range (speculation on my part) or otherwise opens a different kind of dialogue with him regarding personnel decisions and the direction of the franchise during the coming three or four years.

While Mr Jennerjohn would like to pretend to himself that Love is ready to step into the breach he is woefully underestimating the QB learning curve. There are very few Mahomes-type athletes in the league and Love is not that kind of player and cannot reasonably be expected to perform anywhere near that level without having playing a single down in the NFL. The writer is engaging in shoddy journalism and vacuous cheerleading for a Packers team facing a losing season in the absence of the NFL MVP QB whom Gutekunst and Murphy have done their best to alienate after Rodgers expressed his desire to remain with the team for the balance of his career.

The Packers, as is their right, chose to draft his replacement at least two to three years prematurely, something which was decisively proven by AR12's MVP season that "threw a wrench" into the delusional Murphy-Gutekunst "strategy" of preparing for the future. The truth of the matter is that Gutekunst has undermined his own determination to keep the current roster intact this season by neglecting to make sure that the most important player on the team - Rodgers - is willing to stay to make another run at the Super Bowl.

Someone at CHTV should write an article about how Gutekunst has created a scenario that could see the Packers fall apart over the next several years and enter the dark era that grips so many NFL franchises. Stop cheerleading, Mr Jennerjohn. It's rather obvious.

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Archie's picture

June 13, 2021 at 07:30 am

"... There are very few Mahomes-type athletes in the league and Love is not that kind of player and cannot reasonably be expected to perform anywhere near that level without having playing a single down in the NFL...."

Actually many scouts see quite a bit of Mahomes in Love. In fact, I'd go so far as to say Gutey/MLF were led to draft him becausde he reminded them of Mahomes.

Love appears to possess everything you could hope for in a franchise QB with one major possible exception - accuracy. That is what we are waiting to find out. If it turns out he has top drawer accuracy, then we are wasting our time jousting w QB12. Let him go for a king's ransom. I would think we will have a much better idea of whether accuracy is a problem for Love by the end of this pre-season.

The immediate problem with jettisoning QB12 is that Davante Adams will follow him out the door and that the Pack's playoff chances will be significantly diminished for the next couple of years. But if you are willing to live with those consequences, which I am, moving on with Love could look like a great decision a couple of years from now.

Rogers is a great QB, a HOF QB etc. but he turns on people he doesn't perceive to be loyal to him. And once he turns on someone, there is no going back with him. He feels the GBP organization did him dirty with the Love pick whether he is willing to say so publically or not.

Did the Pack do him dirty? I guess reasonable people can disagree on that question. On one hand, it is a business and the FO has the right to follow whatever path it deems as best for the team. On the other, given what AR has meant to this organization, it seems like the FO has been disrespectful by not keeping AR in the loop on its plans at QB. To draft a long term developmental prospect at QB in R1 was never a good idea when your QB1 is AR. Would have been better had the Pack waited two or three years to draft a QB and then chosen one who didn't require 3 years of development time so the transition could happen quickly. Love is a three year ticking time bomb for Rodgers and he just can't live with that hanging over his head. No way, no how.

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BuckyBadger's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:00 am

Stop with the Mahomes comparisons. Look at their completion percentage in college and tell me he is Mahomes. Mahomes can throw vs man coverage, something Love struggles with. Any QB that shows any athletic ability is all of sudden the next Mahomes. I didn't see Mahomes lead college in INTs.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 04:10 pm

You’re awfully willing to NOT acknowledge Love’s 2019 was in a new system, with a new HC, after losing 4 starting OL and his top 3 WRs. Gary freaking Andersen? Jordan Love was running for his life nearly all of 2019. Don’t you think that’s unreasonable? Unfair?

Look at Love’s & Mahomes stats from their best year. Who had more INTs? Bucky? Who had the higher passer rating?

Get real, man.

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Bure9620's picture

June 18, 2021 at 08:18 pm

Why do college Stats matter at all?? They all have completely different supporting casts, the talent gap in college football is WIDE. Love's team was pretty terrible. His offensive line was offensive and his best WR was Siaosi Mariner...not great

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Bure9620's picture

June 13, 2021 at 05:35 am

I agree with everything from the article
Love is winning these guys over. He seems to have some natural leadership qualities.
I also look at how he dealt with adversity in his life. His father commited suicide (it was ruled suicide) when he was 14. I find it kind of ridiculous people are wondering if the "media circus and 12" is getting to him. This kid has been through tragedy. He has some mental toughness. Mental toughness, dealing with adversity and confidence is half the battle being an NFL QB. I think he will be just fine.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:08 am

The bottom line is Jordan Love was purposely chosen to replace Aaron Rodgers, quite specifically for Matt LaFleur and his offense. They studied him, LaFleur’s coaching staff had multiple meetings with Love. Matt LaFleur is a bright Head Coach with and .813 winning percentage who understood the magnitude of drafting Love, and drove the Love selection.

Given his age and lack of experience, anyone is right to think there will be negatives, and have reservations about his future success.

Given his age and lack of experience, anyone is right to be encouraged by his history, and the positives he has shown under difficult circumstances, regardless of the fact these are simple OTAs/Minicamp in shorts, no pads.

The positives lend hope for future success for the Packers. Matt LaFleur guiding his hand chosen successor to AR into this future adds into the positive side of the ledger.

The vitriol thrown at anyone pointing to the positives is disappointing as a Packer fan. Yes, we just completed 3 weeks of OTAs/Minicamp. Every fan is aware of where we are in this accelerated timeline. Give Jordan Love & the Packers organization a chance.

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BuckyBadger's picture

June 13, 2021 at 08:57 am

Lots of guys can start but guy who just completed less than 60% of his passes while playing in shorts and with no pass rush didn't exactly give anyone confidence he would be any good. Had one good day of practice out of 3. The pressure he is facing now during OTAs is nothing compared to when the games start to count.

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greengold's picture

June 13, 2021 at 09:37 am

Does ANYONE pointing to this ridiculous example realize Day 1 of the Mandatory Minicamp was the VERY FIRST day Jordan Love had throwing to the starting WR group from 2020? MINUS Davante Adams???!!!

Are you telling us something we don’t know with your last sentence? Wow. That’s a given, Bucky.

“We’re talking about practice. PRACTICE???!!!” - Allen Iverson

Personally, I think it was encouraging to know there were positives to point to at all. The bigger story would be if there had been none.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

June 14, 2021 at 08:39 pm

Cory, your quote: "Now does that mean that Love isn’t going to have the mistakes and growing pains that every starting quarterback in the NFL goes through when taking the reins? Of course not."

Look no further than Payton Manning and Aaron Rodgers to substantiate your statement. Both of these "Hall of Famers" had rough starts their first season and matured and excelled immensely in future years.

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