Cory's Corner: I'm Not 100% Sold On A Trade

There are still a lot of rumors that are floating about, but nothing seems clear about a potential Aaron Rodgers trade. 

It doesn’t seem like it’s a matter of when anymore. It just seems like it’s a matter of how much it will take.

The more days go by, the more it seems like trading Aaron Rodgers is a sure thing.

According to Pro Football Network, “One source said that (Jets) general manager Joe Douglas is admitting to people in the league the franchise will go all out in the attempt to bring Rodgers to Gang Green.”

And then there is Davante Adams that peeks his head out from the Twitter bushes every now and again to proclaim his love and devotion to his former quarterback. 

By now it seems like it’s a no brainer that Rodgers gets traded. But there are some hang-ups with that theory. What are the Packers looking to get back? If they are looking to get back something close to the Russell Wilson haul that Seattle got, that isn’t happening. The Seahawks fleeced the Broncos to the tune of a second rounder in 2022, fifth rounder in 2022, first rounder in 2023 and second rounder in 2023. Not to mention Drew Lock, Shelby Harris and Noah Fant. Granted, Lock and Harris were meaningless throw-ins, but that’s a lot of assets. 

The Packers could probably get a first rounder and a second rounder for the 39-year-old passer. If the trade partner is Las Vegas, maybe the Packers could also add depth at defensive line with Jerry Tillery — who has shown flashes as a pass rusher and was a first round pick in 2019.

If it’s the Jets, maybe the Packers could get edge rusher Michael Clemons, who is excellent against the run in addition to a flurry of desperation picks. 

Then again, this is Aaron Rodgers. One of the most complicated guys in the league. Do we really know that he’s going to rubber stamp a trade? 

I’m not sold. I still think Rodgers has no idea what he wants to do. Maybe there’s a chance that he opts to go back to the drawing board and renegotiate his contract. Now, I highly doubt that happens, especially because he signed that contract that pays him an average of $50 million last March.

The amount of trade banter isn’t going to stop as we get closer to the NFL Draft. We are eight days out from Super Bowl LVII and it seems like the Rodgers story will supersede the big game. 

Regardless, it’s in Rodgers’ court, and that’s exactly what he wants. He has all the leverage. The Packers have said that they want him back. The only thing left to understand is if Rodgers wants to be back. Does he want to spend more time with a young receiving corps that will likely include a rookie tight end from this year’s draft class?

Either way, expect Adams to continue on the Rodgers campaign trail. And I have to admit, seeing Rodgers throwing to Adams again would be pretty interesting. 

“We made a big commitment to him this offseason, so that was obviously something that was really important to us,” said Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst this past December.

The Packers made a huge commitment to the tune of $59.5 million in guaranteed money this year. The NFL is always quarterback starved, but doling out that kind of money doesn’t exactly make it easy to trade him away. 
 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Oppy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:14 am

If the Packers can find someone, anyone who will pick up Rodgers...

TAKE THE TRADE.
Don't haggle over picks or compensation.

Treat it like you have a litter of unexpected puppies.
Put up a sign in the parking lot of 1225, "FREE TO GOOD HOME"

The haul isn't players and picks in compensation, the haul is getting Rodgers cap hits off the books ASAP and moving forward for the future.

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NickPerry's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:58 am

I don't get who downvotes people on here eager to trade Rodgers. The guy blasted the franchise in 2020 and said he'd never play there again. In 2021 and now again in 2022 there's a feeling of being held hostage by Rodgers while he decides again.

As Oppy said... Get what you can and get him OFF the books!

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packer132's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:21 pm

My money is on Stockholder for one. Rodgers can do no wrong in his eyes.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:31 pm

Some people are Rodgers fans first.

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stockholder's picture

February 04, 2023 at 02:37 pm

And some people don't want a rebuild.

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Oppy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:04 pm

Some people want their babies to never grow up because they're sooo adorable when they shit themselves and drool and make baby noises, too, but that's not what's best for the baby, it's just a selfish, immature desire.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:12 pm

They dont want a rebuild cuz they would rather watch old and expensive guys lose instead.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:10 am

Oppy, we're going to trade him and we're going to get good value for him. I know that the popular narrative is that the front office is loaded with incompetent fools, but this is going to be yet another trade where we get extra premium picks in the draft. Just like when we traded down and got Alexander, just like when we traded Adams and got a #1 and #2. It's happening again.

Meanwhile, we have his replacement ready. That's the biggest difference from the last two years. Not bad for a bunch of bumblers.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:38 pm

you hope his replacement is ready...hasnt been proven yet..a couple of quarters here and there don't prove anything...

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Leatherhead's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:07 pm

The GM says he’s ready. Teammates think he’s ready. They know a lot better than you or I do.

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Turophile's picture

February 05, 2023 at 04:22 am

That's true Packerpasty. No certainties here regarding his replacement. That isn't to knock Love either, he needs an extended chance to show what he's got. If he has IT, he stays, if not the Packers start looking again.

Plenty of fans want to knock Rodgers as part of their narrative in pushing for him to move on. I'm not one of them. I DO want the Packers to move on, not because I dislike Rodgers, or love Love, but because of Rodgers age + contract mostly................ and because I want a chance to see a first round QB pick get on the field and show what he's got.

March(ish) 2022 was the best time to trade him, his value was at it's highest (two MVPs the previous two years) and he didn't have THAT contract hanging over his head, and the cap situation could have been much better now, but that boat has sailed.

I don't think 2 x 1sts is achievable now and to be honest I personally would take take even less than one 1st, because that contract just keeps putting the Packers in a worse and worse situation. If he does go, I wish him well wherever he ends up - he was a stellar player for the Packers for years.

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Oppy's picture

February 05, 2023 at 08:20 pm

I was positive the Packers were going to part ways with Rodgers before the 2022 season..

I simply don't trust this administration to do the best thing for the team. I think Murphy doesn't want to be the guy who was at the helm while the Packers sent 2 HoF QB's out the door.

I hope I'm wrong. I just won't be counting birds left in the bush.

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Pack1961's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:13 pm

Some fans are so wrong about football and fail to see that Gutey continues to come up short. The last 5 3rd rounders are all a bust. Taking Love when we could have had Higgins, Sternberger over McLaurin, adding Dillion using a 2nd round pick when we could have signed Jamal Williams for $3m.

A 4x MVP and the GM refuses a to add talent beyond rookies. Sammy Watkins, that’s embarrassing. Rodgers wants to play to win and Gutey doesn’t. If Gutey will go get a couple of decent offensively vets to help the rookies, then Rodgers will stay. It was clear Gutey promised help and didn’t do anything, hence Rodgers speaking about a tough year and some life lessons - IE: he screwed up and trusted that Gutey would get help.

Gutey is betting his career if he is getting rid of Rodgers. Not very smart. Other teams will go after Rodgers in a big way. Gutey is a poor negotiator so maybe he doesn’t get much, but 2 firsts for Rodgers is a minimum.

No disrespect to Love, but he had a grand total of 21 pass attempts this year all in garbage time. What sensible fan / GM would take that over a 4x MVP. I think they are really Bear fans as they love not having a proven QB.

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HDbikerguy's picture

February 05, 2023 at 12:08 pm

MAYBE if someone wasn't taking up almost a quarter of the salary cap, Gutey could have signed one or two better FA receivers????

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Oppy's picture

February 05, 2023 at 08:22 pm

What were your thoughts when the Packers drafted Rodgers? When MMc, TT, and MM told Favre the Train has left the station?

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Tundraboy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:38 pm

Yes! It seems like we're pulling a fast one! If even an ounce of me felt like he would win the next big one for us or capable of carrying us through the entire postseason I would hesitate, but I know deep inside the answer.

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Rak43's picture

February 06, 2023 at 01:50 am

While I agree the F.O. has to get Rodgers off the books, I don't think you just take anything for him. Any team acquiring him has to value his services to either fill seats or get their team to the playoffs. And both of those things have value to a franchise. He should pull 2-3 high round picks at minimum.

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Savage57's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:30 am

In the midst of the will they or won't they, I wonder which scenario would grind Packers fans' gears more?

The Packers keep Aaron Rodgers and all the baggage that comes with that and he doesn't win a Super Bowl.

- or -

The Packers trade Jordan Love and he does.

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Oppy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:32 am

Those two scenarios are far from mutually exclusive.

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Savage57's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:41 am

Invert it.

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Johnblood27's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:52 am

If AR goes to the Jets and Love wins the SB within his first couple seasons as starter, that would just be way to close to the Favre situation with AR a few years ago.

History does repeat itself, eh? It is actually scary... if that is true can I expect to have to remarry my first wife? Nooooooooo.....

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PeteK's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:19 am

"The horror"

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Johnblood27's picture

February 05, 2023 at 08:19 am

do you mean "the whore"?

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:13 pm

Hey Blood, you may in your dreams; crazy stuff happens when you dose off. Watch those afternoon naps also. She may be entirely different the second time around...but don't count on it.

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Oppy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:23 am

I could care less what Rodgers does or doesn’t win elsewhere. I’m concerned about what’s best for the packers for the next ten, maybe fifteen years. All I know for sure is, Rodgers isn’t what’s best for the packers for the next 3 years even.

Love may never win a SB while under center for the packers, but he is a better choice for the immediate future of the packers than Rodgers is. Even if he doesn’t work out.

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Since'61's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:30 am

Savage57 - I take the Super Bowl victory with either QB. That is what it's all about.

If Rodgers stays and wins he walks off into the sunset a winner.

If Love takes over and wins his career is off to a great start! Then fans will begin to beat him up as soon as the end of 2024 season if the Packers don't win again and in 12 seasons he will be the diva no one wants any longer.

Thanks, Since '61

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Johnblood27's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:53 am

I will take this scenario...

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:26 am

Since, I do not think that Jordan Love, even if he would play like HOFer for Packers will perform similar "drama" as Brett Favre and ACR. That is the question of mentality.

Do not forget why many teams pass ACR in his draft - many scouts warned teams by serious phycological issue - ACR is cocky (nicer word for arrogance!). Ted Thompson, while he was healthy, knew how to deal with that cockiness and everybody was happy. Similar was Brett Favre, but he is/was not at the level of intelligence of ACR.

On the other hand and during this drama, all you can hear from Jordan was humble behavior. He showed us that he gain self confidence, but not arrogance. And those reports about trade requests from Jordan Love is just speculation of media. Nobody hear Jordan Love to say that kind of request. If any would come to Packers with this kind of request, that should be his agent who want to earn money on opportunity from starting job for Jordan Love.

Also, if Jordan Love begin next season as starter it will be honest to give him at least 3 seasons to win SB, as that was the time ACR was given. But, OK.

Thanks.

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Since'61's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:57 am

I wasn't talking about Jordan's behavior I was talking about the fans behavior.

Also Jordan hasn' accomplished anything yet in his career and he hasn't yet made the kind of money that HOF players get paid during this era. When Rodgers and Favre were in the early years of their careers they were both humble and appeared to say all the right things. I do not expect anyone to be the same person at 40 they were when they were 20 years old.

I'm not saying that I condone or agree with everything or anything that he has said and done off the field. But I also don't care about his personal life off the field, that's his business. As for his relationship with the Packers I also don't condone or believe all of the alleged problems that he is blamed for. I have yet to see a credible piece of evidence that Rodsgers did anything to get McCarthy fired. I don't believe that he always changes plays at the LOS. Does he audible out at the LOS? Yes, he does based on his read of the defense. That's part of his job and he audibles out to plays which he and LaFleur have agreed to as part of the game planning during the week. When those audibles work out into a successful play or TD I don't see any comments or complaints about Rodgers calling an audible. It's only when the plays aren't executed when fans blame Rodgers for changing the play. That's sports and it happens with every team and every QB.

Does anyone actually believe that Rodgers is the only NFL QB who changes plays? Does anyone actually believe that 100% of any team's play calls work out 100% of the time? These absurd expectations and accusations are driven by 2 factors.

First is the media that has made the QB the position for everything right or wrong with every team. This is ridiculous and has ruined the game for the fans who understand that any team is much more than their QB. It was all started by ESPN back in the 80s when they made Joe Montana the focus of their NFL coverage. The network was new to the sports broadcasting arena. They needed a hero to get ratings and to survive the competition they faced from the established major networks, So they made Montana their hero. They followed Montana with Favre in the 90s. Then they moved on to Brady and then to Rodgers and now Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Burrow and a few others . If the Chiefs win the upcoming SB Mahomes will be the latest hero for ESPN. If the Eagles win Hurts will become their latest hero in a big way.

The second factor after the media is Fantasy Football and legalized gambling. For those who have Rodgers as their FF QB it means that if the Packers don't score enough points it's all Rodgers fault, even when they win it's his fault because they did not win with enough points for FF standings. For the gamblers it's a matter of covering the spread or in some cases not covering the spread. I don't know for certain but we have reached a point where you can bet on every play and on the performance of every skill player. These non-related and unnecessary non-sport related but revenue generating initiatives have tilted how many fans view any sport or player(s) in this era.

The concept of being a fan who roots for their favorite team is consistently being diluted by the media and the gambling aspects of Fantasy Football and gambling. It no longer matters if a team win or loses the game as long as the results deliver Fantasy Football standings or gambling winnings. It's ridiculous and quite frankly it is is hurting how all sports are played and viewed by fans.

Team sports are becoming one and done financial transactions like horse racing. OK, my guys did great in that game now on to the next guy in the next game. No different than horse racing. My horse (who I never heard of before) won the second race! Now let's see if the horse I pick for the 3rd race (who I also never heard of before) will win me more money.

Everything is based on hype and speculation with nothing behind it. " Rodgers ruined my FF team and cost me money." He's a jerk , a diva, trade him. "He said bad things about the team or the coach he's terrible." "He's not supposed to do that he is only a player." I Still haven't found that rule in the NFL rule book BTW.
This entire environment is ridiculous and unnecessary. It cheapens the sport and yet more and more alleged fans are buying it. Looking like a good time to move on. Thanks, Since '61

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Packerpasty's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:40 pm

Once again Since '61 the most sensible voice on Cheesehead ....thanks...

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Since'61's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:36 pm

I appreciate your kind comment. I enjoy your posts as well. Keep'em coming. Thanks, Since '61

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jannes bjornson's picture

February 04, 2023 at 06:35 pm

I hope you didn't hurt anyone's feelings. There is a sticky little rule called the Law of Diminishing Returns; hopefully, some of the Game remains intact.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:59 pm

If my QB is worth the resources through his play, that’s all I can ask for. In this case that time has past. There are plenty of impersonal reasons for that. There is no reason to focus on or imagine more. Doing so just detracts from the real causes of the current decline and plays into the hands of some who don’t want to see and use equally emotive defenses to suborn valid reasons under the guise of defending those we can’t prove or support with anything tangible.

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Johnblood27's picture

February 05, 2023 at 08:14 am

This is a familiar refrain to me...

I have been beating the drum about the ruination of the game of football I fell in love with growing up by the demons of fantasy football and gambling.

Couple those demons with the NFL FO and the rules changes to fuel the other demons - more and more offense - player protections - touching fouls - and you have basketball on grass. NOT football. Players can and should be made more safe by equipment changes and SOME rules outlawing dangerous hits (I love the targeting rule in College ball) but the QB protection rules have gone WAY over the edge, as have the pass interference and defensive illegal contact rules.

I am with ya Since '61 in that I am seriously reevaluating my stance as a football fan. I have been reduced to "rooting for the laundry" of the green and gold since I cannot really stand the product that the NFL puts on the field these days.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 02:35 pm

duplicate

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 02:36 pm

^Truth^

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wildbill's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:56 am

Lol, Jordan winning a Super Bowl next year, always nice to start the day with a good laugh….Kizer 2.0

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jurp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:08 am

Why is he Kizer 2.0? Because's he's mixed race?

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:23 am

No other reason I can see to compare the two, and I don’t normally follow that path of reasoning, if indeed there is any other than just a knee jerk passive aggressive lament go a loved one. It’s that vacuous an analogy.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:37 am

the guy's sheet and pillowcase are showing out.

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Oppy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:15 pm

That's ridiculous.

It's because both Kizer and Love have banged his wife.

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Rak43's picture

February 06, 2023 at 01:54 am

I think it would bother fans more if they woke up and realized that if Rodgers hasn't led GB to a SB in the last 12 years, he's not doing it in the future. His window in GB is all but closed. It's time to move on and clean the books while working to stay competitive.

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MooPack's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:33 am

This luring take seems a bit obligatory to me, but I’ll bite.

What are the Packers looking to get back?

Peace of mind.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:15 am

A public rumor is two first round selections, but everything is negotiable.

The Jets have apparently decided to go "all in" on getting Rodgers, and they could give us #13 this year and something in the early 20s next year. Las Vegas could give us a 2nd and 3rd this year which would be equivalent to about #23 this year, and then next year.

So either team could meet the rumored threshold. And whenever you have two suitors, that drives up the price.

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dobber's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:56 am

Many analysts say that if you get a down-the-road draft pick in a trade, personnel managers devalue it by almost a round.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:37 pm

We got a third the next year for Favre

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Leatherhead's picture

February 04, 2023 at 02:52 pm

It's about draft compensation, and it's about financial considerations. There will be room for compromise in one area in exchange for concessions in another.

In my opinion, the adults in the room will act like adults, and everybody will smile nice for the cameras. Rodgers will depart, most likely to Vegas or the Jets. Part of that equation is going to be whether Rodgers is willing to make some financial concessions to tilt the table to one place or the other.

We'll get well compensated for Rodgers. I'm not sure what the package will be but IMO, at a minimum, he's worth a mid-first round pick and something else. Best case scenario is we get multiple premium picks.

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Tundraboy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:48 pm

The Jets have had so many top picks and so many that have flopped that they have a different view of their values than most I would suspect. So perhaps they throw in all their chips this year and spend like a drunken sailor for that ever elusive return to the big game. Go Woody!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:00 pm

A first and second round pick this year and at least a first next year can be gotten from the Jets with decent negotiation. What can the cap hit be gotten down to?

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 04, 2023 at 06:23 pm

conversely they may try to just recover a smidge of Matt LaFleur's dignity. It's doubtful the trade will get that back though.

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barutanseijin's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:37 am

Rodgers really doesn’t have all the leverage. If the Packers don’t want him, and they are willing to take the cap hit, they can unload him. They could also make him compete with Love in camp, which would probably make him more amenable to a trade. Or they could threaten to demote him to #2 without the camp competition . He would probably want to avoid ending his career like Eli did.

Yes he has some leverage in that he could retire, but if he wants to play, the Packers have some cards to play.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:57 am

"If the Packers don’t want him, and they are willing to take the cap hit, they can unload him."

99M dead cap hit? You're fired !!! :)

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murf7777's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:25 am

I don’t believe that is correct in a trade situation. My understanding is If they trade him, they would have 40M in cap hit, all in 2023 if pre-June or split between 2023 and 2024 if post June 1st. The receiving team takes on the remaining cap hit.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:06 am

murf, the way I read the post was unload, meaning waive not trade.

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barutanseijin's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:07 am

You read uncharitably because as a Rodgers fan, you’re looking for gotchas and reasons why Things Cannot Change.

Unload means take him off the roster. That can happen in a number of ways.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:24 am

"Unload means take him off the roster."

As you point out, this is one of the number of ways it could be interpreted.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:33 am

If ACR retire or if he will be traded, Packers cap hit for this season is 40.3 mill $. And that is all. no future cap hits. If ACR will play for Packers he would have 58 something mill $ plus incentives up to 63.5 mill $. If Packers trade him after June 1st this year, Packers will have cap hit of that 58 and something mill $ plus ~90 mill $ (something less, not sure how much, but not large part of) that can be split to 2 years for ~45 mill $ each of that 2 years.

So, try to remember that. One of the main reason why Packers should trade ACR is that contract structure.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:39 am

croat, if the Packers trade AR this year, they would be an additional 8.7M over the cap. Right now they are about 16M over. If traded, AR adds 8.7M bringing the Packers to 24.7M over the cap. The 8.7M is the difference between his dead cap hit we take if he's traded and the 31.6M cap hit they would have if they didn't trade him. Basically, his 2023 cap hit goes from 31.6M to a 40.3M dead cap hit.

If he retires, the cap hit would be whatever the pro-rated amount from his 2022 40.8M signing bonus. He walks away from the 58.3 option bonus, his base salary and his workout bonus. The total he would be giving up is 59.515M.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:19 am

Read TGR. It is neither that simple nor is that conclusion generally supported.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:28 am

CW. I did read TGR. Which of my conclusions is not generally supported. The difference in
the 2023 cap hit if traded? Or the amount of money Rodgers walks away from?

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:31 pm

CW. You still haven't answered which conclusion is not generally supported. Kind of a hit run you did here :)

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:34 am

I was listening several experts on cap issues, concentrating on this "strange" type - one to one year -Packers and ACR signed before 2022 season.

The clearest view was given from a scout on "Locked on Packers" podcast (Peter Bukowski on January, 13th) who called one of the former players agent who are known as cap specialist. He explained all. And that is basically the same as other specialists said - 0.5 mill $ up or down.

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:06 pm

" If ACR will play for Packers he would have 58 something mill $ plus incentives up to 63.5 mill $"

To my knowledge, there are no incentives in this contact. So, I'm not sure where you get 63.5M for 2023 if that is what you are saying.

"If Packers trade him after June 1st this year, Packers will have cap hit of that 58 and something mill $ plus ~90 mill $ (something less, not sure how much, but not large part of) that can be split to 2 years for ~45 mill $ each of that 2 years."

If the Packers trade him after June 1st. The dead cap hit is still 40.3M but it can be be spread out between 2023 and 2024. $15.833M in 2023. $24.480M in 2024.

These numbers come from Spotrac. Take that for what it's worth.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:16 pm

Is this so hard to go and watch what person who has experience and knowledge about contracts and salary cap said and than discuss about. I did not say that I said that, that was said by experts that was read the contract.

I can not explain that. You have all you need - when: date January, 13th 2023, what: "locked on Packers Podcast", where: youtube.com. Listen to the explanation and then place your comment. I do not know why is like that, but I believe what experts said. Also, you'll have another amount of money from 2024 and 2025 what have to be calculated as dead money.

EDIT: If trade comes after the draft, even before June, 1st there will be no additional draft picks for this year draft. You can except that fact, can you?

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MainePackFan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:38 pm

I will take a look croat, so I can see what you are talking about.

"EDIT: If trade comes after the draft, even before June, 1st there will be no additional draft picks for this year draft. You can except that fact, can you?"

I fully agree that if the this years draft is over before the trade has been made, there will be no extra picks at this years draft. That's a fact :)

Although, there could be a trade in place before the draft, which isn't executed until after June 1st, that nets the draft pick the Packers covet, if the team they are trading with agrees to draft that player. Ya never know.

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dobber's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:00 pm

The Packers could do all kinds of things because they're going to have to absorb some cap hit either way. Part of it is how much they want to shame 12 in the process (as you state)...but in the end, they might need him to rework parts of his deal to make a trade, cut, or retirement something that doesn't end up hammering the cap.

People keep pointing to management and coaches saying how much they want 12 back, but this is why they need smiley faces and happy interactions. A vindictive 12 could kill this team.

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Leatherhead's picture

February 04, 2023 at 02:59 pm

I keep getting this image of some Mafia don explaining that "this is bad for business". Money and reputations are riding on this under the microscrutiny of 24/7 media.

IMO, these are grown men and they understand that at the end of the day, you have to do what's right for the business. The Packers will handle theirs, Rodgers will handle his. Nobody benefits from causing bad blood.

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Untylu1968's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:43 am

I just can't see a team willing to, #1, take on a contract that size for an aging QB, along with #2, throwing in premium picks. I believe we'll have Rodgers until retirement.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:19 am

If they believe that they have the roster and the coach, we get to continue paying a large part of the cost. Rodgers gives them credibility to their fan base and what they inherit is a short term deal in terms of how it impacts them. I can see it.

What we get in terms of picks is secondary. We got a conditional pick for Favre despite it being a fire sale that turned out to be a third. That’s a decent benchmark for expectations. Favre was a year younger.

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murf7777's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:30 am

I agree CW, except you might be surprised how much a team is willing to provide in draft picks for Rodgers. Personally, I don’t really care either way, because the outcome of either scenario is uncertain and I’m tired of the annual drama. Love, love what’s going on with the Badger Football team thou!

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:27 am

Surprise is nice, but I was recommending not planing as if a surprise was necessary to pull the trigger, or likely. Favre could have bagged us a second if they had made the playoffs, first if they got a conference Championship I believe. I see that potential.

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murf7777's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:32 pm

“Benchmark for expectations”. Packers would be crazy to trade for only an expected 3rd round Draft.

1st off, I think the league is different from the Favre era, it is more of a passing league, one where QB’s, which were highly valued than, are even more so now.

My Benchmark is 1st, 2nd and 3rd. The 3rd could come in the form of a player. Might some crazy QB hungry team go as high as 2 #1’s? It’s possible, but unlikely.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:41 pm

That’s not likely. Be very welcome though.

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barutanseijin's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:14 am

In 2008 Favre was coming off a better season than Rodgers’ 2022. 2022 Rodgers looked more like 2004 Favre: washed up.

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dobber's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:54 am

Favre had just "retired" and "unretired". How much would you give in that case?

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:24 pm

And today you have QB who already second year in the row talks about retirement possibility. How much would you give in this case?

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murf7777's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:38 pm

Didn’t Rodgers play with a broken thumb on his throwing hand this year. I think teams would recognize your numbers would decrease with such an injury. Prior to that was back to back MVP’s. He’s very similar to Brady in the ways he takes care of his body, so, I would guess if he wants to could continue to play for a few years.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:47 pm

One hopes that that is the way they see it.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:59 pm

Enter the Jets. They are literally going “all in” for Rodgers

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:22 pm

They wont have to. Any team who trades for Rodgers will only be on the hook for a combined $49 million cap hit over the next 2 years. Packers owe more because of the giant bonus they owe him from converting previous years salary to a guaranteed bonus. Packers are on the hook for it no matter where Rodgers plays.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:22 am

This team isn’t winning a Super Bowl with Rodgers. It’s not in a position to have a roster to do so and couldn’t do so when it arguably did. It’s not facing up to any other contributing factors, namely coaching. Rodgers isn’t getting better than he was in 2020 or even 2021. He may not be as good as last year, and that wasn’t good enough. Keeping him is a loose now and lose later proposition, due to resulting cap stringency and personnel moves based on sustaining a fiction.

So yes, it’s time to gamble, because the only possible outcome is a win. Better a chance to restart ascending, however many missteps that involves. So the premise that there is risk in moving on is a fallacy. There is no loss only gain in terms of any picks and roster flexibility in a season or two. There are legitimate questions about how we are set up to use those, but those are inevitable and a necessary step when moving on from an era already departed.

Sadly, in moving on from Rodgers, we will inevitably expose what were, I believe, the main causes of the recent failures to convert, not the primary causes of them. Rodgers and the Packers should have parted ways last year. That any here still can’t see that even after last season, knowing this roster, the cap constraints, seeing and coaching and cultural issues and play on the field amazes me. That offense was just bad.

No, there is no risk anymore, just tough ground to traverse and will only get exponentially tougher the longer we put off the attempt. No risk, just possible reward. No source of legitimate angst based upon football not player adoration or past hopes now faded. What the Dickens! Don’t become Miss Havisham Cory!

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Packerpasty's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:37 pm

the team probably isn't winning a Super Bowl in the future with anyone at the QB position...in case you haven't noticed its rather hard to do...in fact some QB's and teams haven't ever won a Super Bowl..

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:49 pm

Yes, I have said the same thing, but a chance comes once we move on that doesn’t until we do. It also starts the process to allowing us to build more around the QB.

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11Bravo1p's picture

February 05, 2023 at 12:18 am

Trading Rodgers will likely be a win-win for both teams. Post trade Rodgers would want to show the world that the Packers made a mistake by trading him, and Rodgers plays best with a chip on his shoulder. The Packers get draft picks and avoid mortgaging their future.

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Johnblood27's picture

February 04, 2023 at 08:57 am

So what this all boils down to is that for the sake of the GB franchise health AR must go and the pain of that is all financial, which means that the franchise must absorb a fearful beating because Mark Murphy overstepped his boundries and forced the GM to pay AR an absurd amount of money instead of fleecing the Broncos last off-season.

Boil it all you want, the stinky burned residue at the bottom of the pan looks, smells and tastes like Mark Murphy.

Some legacy.... burnt smelly residue and a sledding hill. Bob Harlan must be apoplectic.

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Packer_Fan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:16 am

Well, let's see. Except for the one discussion that Rodgers had with Macafee, we haven't heard much official. Yet, Rodgers doesn't want a rebuild or lose his friends who are team mates.

And, it appears that the Jets are ripe for making an offer. And perhaps the Raiders too.

The current team is not right for a Super bowl run. We found that out last year. So trade Rodgers while he still has value and start over.

We won't know much until the start of free agency when trades are possible. I think the board of directors and major shareholders are ready. So trade Rodgers, make room under the cap to sign a few free agents and draft a couple of QB's for and start over.

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LambeauPlain's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:20 am

I am confident MLF wants Rodgers back. He has also said Barry Ball is just what the Packers need on D again. I am also confident nothing will change to improve the team except if Rich goes the STs will return back to the mean of incompetence.

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jurp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:11 am

But, but, but... Consistency!!!!!

Scooter LaFuckup may just become the second-worst coach in team history by the time he's finally shown the door.

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Turophile's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:19 am

There must be an ignore button around somewhere......

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jurp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:35 pm

No, I don't think there is, or stockholder would've ignored me years ago. Don't worry - once it's obvious that Rodgers won't be traded I'll be gone until sometime next fall. Looks like you, RC (maybe) and stockholder (probably) are the only ones who'd like to ignore me. I consider that a win.

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arthurl's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:23 am

With the retirement of Brady, the Packers might have a bit more leverage. Hopefully, they don’t screw it up. Whatever we think of #12 right now, he was the franchise for many seasons and hopefully he goes to a good situation where he’s got a shot at a SB. Personally, I think the Packers have a crappy coaching staff and if it weren’t for Davante and AR these last few seasons would look a lot different.

I hope Love pans out, but what I think is Lefluer gets further exposed and he is let go after this coming season. Him not letting go of the DC will doom him.

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Ima Payne's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:10 am

They waiting too long. If they are willing to talk trade that says they believe as I do Rodgers has played his best and is in down hill mode now. Other teams will feel that way too. Carr and Garropolo are younger and cheaper. The Raiders have no money so the only real op is the Jets and they have a lot of suitors right now.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:59 pm

Bro, do your research! The Raiders and Jets can EASILY open up TONs of cap space. Sorry the Vikes will be bad next year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:06 pm

Jets plainly stated they want AR12 specifically, and before that they said they're willing to pay for a veteran QB. What can our cap hit be reduced to? First and second round picks this year and at least a first next year are possible with decent negotiating.

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dobber's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:27 am

"Cory's Corner: I'm Not 100% Sold On A Trade"

OK...well, let us know when you make up your mind. Or not. No big whoop.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:39 am

Cookies for dobber!

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golfpacker1's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:29 am

Its unbelievable that some people think Rodgers is untradeable is laughable. Some one is always willing to take the chance no matter how small to win a super bowl. And I think we will be surprised to see how many teams will make an offer. We already see the Jets and Raiders will be big players in the "Rodgers Lottery." Plus possibly the Dolphins, Titans, Falcons, Commanders, etc. Rodgers is still better than 25 of last years starting QBs.
No way should we at this point keep him and delay the inevitable any longer. Someone should lose their job over
resigning him last year and keeping this debacle growing larger. Plus almost burying us in salary cap hell.
Aaron also isn't going to flush all that money down the toilet because he knows he can still play at a high level.
The packers should be able to get a 1st and a 2nd round picks and maybe a 4th or 5th to boot. I am not so keen on taking players back unless they are young, cheap, and something we really need. No high priced vets unless willing to redo contract without kicking the can further down the road like with Rodgers.
Bottom line is its time to start over and doing it now means we won't start from the basement like some teams. (BEARS) let someone else deal with the biggest spoiled brat in sports. Time to reset.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:13 pm

With that approach I'd like to see us get a first and second round pick this year and at least a first next year. What can the cap hit be negotiated down to?

I don't at all believe he can't play. He went for weeks without being able to sleep, have you ever had a rib injury? He couldn't trust the pass protection even when it was there because it wasn't consistent. And we saw his broken thumb hurt his accuracy, even though he tried to hide it. What if he's willing to take a pay cut to $20MM and that leadership gets the other stars to do it too? Then he'd just need to be willing to give all his targets as many reps as they need in practice and they could be GOOD.

These are the things I think are important. (Other than coaches and front office)

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Johnblood27's picture

February 05, 2023 at 07:46 am

That is simply delusional...

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jurp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:29 am

Actually, Rodgers really has no leverage, thanks to one Thomas Brady. I think that Fangirl and others who say that Rodgers will not retire in the same year as Brady are 100% correct, so if GB trades Rodgers to the Jets or Raiders he can do nothing but eventually report. We might have to put up with some passive-aggressive bullshit and threats about retiring, but rest assured, Rodgers will report to whatever team he's traded to, probably after wresting some concessions from that team or the Packers.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:44 am

And, by reports from many, ACR said that there is no chance he would go to 49ers... On the other hand he also said (by report) that he will never ever play for Packers. But he did!

I believe he said (49ers) that because he knows he will need to deal with very firm HC, and I suppose he is not willing that.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:14 pm

TB12 retiring gives AR12 more leverage, not less. Supply and demand always matters.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:40 am

Mannn, I have this feeling that #12 will be with the Packers this upcoming season...and that right there makes my stomach and head feel like I shotgunned a 6-pack of expired PBR silos.

Maybe probably, I am the one who needs to change. But, I miss parking on Blue Ridge Street and walking past all those Ranch homes on the way to Kroll's and then into Lambeau Field which always, always is special. I want to keep it simple, original, the smell of football in the air. Times and the game have changed, I haven't...I can't get behind this team with #12 at the helm. I am tired of him. That is not his fault, but that is my honest opinion as it stands now.

My source says so. My source: me :)

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:43 pm

I hear ya but look at it this way: the press has always focused on the wrong thing. AR12 was looking at the same thing we saw, former Packers all over the league still playing well. That didn't make him a diva. This year they dumped Amari Rogers and got NO value for him, then he went on to at least do something. It was obvious he's not a returner last year, if they were going to dump him they should have done it by the trade deadline and at least gotten something, this is the sort of mistake we simply can't afford. MVS had a good season. Equanamious' brother did too, although I didn't hear anything out of ESB.

AR12 has said he's willing to negotiate. What if he's willing to play for $20MM? He'd still need to be willing to give all his targets all the practice reps they need. Other stars might follow his lead and take a pay cut and play for $20MM, then they could probably be a good team this year.

If that fantasy doesn't happen the Jets could be persuaded to give a first and second round pick this year, and a first next year at least. I don't know if there are rules governing how much the salary cap can be reduced to though, that's significant.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:00 pm

Thanks for your opinion SST. I am just tired of #12. I base my opinion solely on how he represents the Packers on the field and his opinions/demands about the Packers he makes public.

I honestly don't care about his stance on COVID, his personal life. I tease about shrooms, but have read they can be beneficial for some people.

My opinion is becoming more bolden(?) due to his eye rolling and ripping the coach a new one during a game. I wouldn't do well with a leader like that. People say he has nothing left to prove. If that is so, what is his true motivation to keep playing along with his public demands?

You make a good point and I respect your opinion. I hope I can enjoy the Packers again. In time I will for sure. I don't base my enjoyment strictly on the Packer's record of Ws and Ls. It doesn't all fall on #12...but a large part does. I really feel he isn't all in...he could be burned out. That is understandable. But, if that is the case...find something else that you can put 100% into. I certainly don't wish him ill will. I am just tired of his approach to a team sport. I thank him for many cool moments and excellent play. I just want players to respect the game and the organization they represent. As much as he has given the Packers, the Packers have given him as well.

So, I may be way off and wrong. I go with my gut. My gut tells me the Packers will be better off without him in the near term and long term.

I sometimes wish I didn't care so much about the Packers..but I wouldn't have it any other way. Maybe I need to get a life outside of the NFL and the Packers. :)

Peace and thanks for your passion to the Green-n- Gold!

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HarryHodag's picture

February 04, 2023 at 09:58 am

Time to recoup some from the mistake of not trading him last year. Favre's exit was also not real smooth but it had to be done. No progress will happen for the overall team until Rodgers is out the door. As sad as that is, it is reality and it's time to face reality.

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BruceC1960's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:24 am

Cory….when you start second guessing yourself on this, just fast forward to next off season when we will be in the same position and 12s value is even less.

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jhtobias's picture

February 04, 2023 at 10:54 am

Im a 100 percent convinced that regardless of whether rodgers or live is the starting quarterback in 2023 this team will be no better than 9-8 or 8-9 and it is not becuase of talent.

Lafluers refusal and out right insanity to upgrade the defensive coaching staff and offensive coordinator is pure insanity and while I truley believe lafluer is a great leader of men and a good head coach he should have absolutly no say in hiring his own staff. My 14 daughter is more capable.

Maybe his idol is mike sherman what a joke .

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Ima Payne's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:08 am

I'm with you but for diff reasons. This team lacks play makers and talent against a very good Vikes. Lions and rebooted Bears team that has 11 picks in the draft and 100 mil under cap to get free agents.
The pack will be fighting to stay out of the basement. 8-9 is a reality they would hope to get.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:55 pm

The Vikings will be trash next year, sorry to break it to you

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:53 pm

There's plenty of talent all over the field. Poor coaching. MLF rode the coat tails and had a good plan as long as it worked, but can't adjust when nothing works.

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:30 am

Well he’s not living up to his idol as a Head Coach even then.

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Ima Payne's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:02 am

My take is reality says the Packers wont get anywhere near what some of the posters on this board think. He could make the Jets better and they have talent on that team on both sides the ball and only need a QB to come in and get this team rolling. Problem so could Jimmy and Derek who are younger and costs less.

Fact is maybe no one wants him. He has a terrible year last year and is 39 next season. Are you really going to pony up to the bar for a maybe? IMO I say no. Teams have younger options less costly and Rodgers played out his hand last year. His value is depleted. Other teams may mention him to get who they want cheaper too. Its a game.

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PackyCheese500's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:54 pm

LOL, Jets have just said they are going all in for Rodgers. Your favorite team (Vikings) couldn’t get half as much compensation for Kirk Cousins. Have fun being 24 million over the cap and missing the playoffs next season!

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

February 04, 2023 at 01:09 pm

"He could make the Jets better and they have talent on that team on both sides the ball and only need a QB to come in and get this team rolling. Problem so could Jimmy and Derek who are younger and costs less. "

I think both Jimmy and Derek have much lower ceilings than Rodgers, while they all probably have very similar floors. If you are going to go all-in to put your team over the top I would pick Rodgers (among those 3) every time. Jimmy couldn't get a team with more talent than the Packers to the promised land and Carr has never even sniffed that success.

If the Packers say they want 3 1st round picks for Rodgers I think the Jets will balk at that, but I think a 1st&2nd in 2023 and a conditional 2024 is within the Jets acceptable cost. The Packers should jump at that in a nanosecond.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:34 pm

But i have yet to hear Woody Johnson fawning over Carr or Garapolo. He wants Rodgers BAD.

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PatrickGB's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:08 am

What is done is done. We (and I include myself) can piss and moan all we want about what should have been done but the past is the past. I think that he stays, but whatever choice is made then we just need to ride it out. Many have suggested and prefer a trade. But even with a trade a huge cap is due. So we might as well take our medicine and wait it out.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:36 pm

Problem is, if they dont trade him this year, theyre basically guaranteed to be stuck with him for 2024 as well. The cap hit for moving him next year is untenable.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:59 pm

AR12 has said he's willing to negotiate, he wants to win and he's made a lot of money. What if he's willing to play for $20MM? What if other stars are willing to follow suit? AR would still have to give all his targets all the practice reps they need but then they could be a good team. They're still not winning a SB with this staff.

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NickPerry's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:14 am

He'll be 40 next season in December, FORTY. He's not Brady, he never was. He's won as many SBs as Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, or Brad Johnson to name a few. He's NOT a winner come playoff time folks. He's an AMAZING regular season QB, I'd say the best of all time or right up in there in the top 3. But come playoff time he disappears. He does what he WANTS to do. I'll never forget the time he failed to run on 2nd and goal from the 8 against Tampa Bay, or throwing into triple coverage to Adams with a wide open Lazard running right in front of him for an EASY first down.

I don't hate Aaron Rodgers. I'm not fond of the person, but the player, I've supported him his entire time here. But I've seen enough. I no longer wish to watch him run HIS offense and get further and further away from MLFs offense. As we've seen over the last few years, LaFleur's strength ISN'T rallying his players, making adjustments, or making the hard decision on a player or a coach. MLFs strength is his SCHEME. I have NO DOUBT with Love at QB we'd see that scheme. It's a QB friendly scheme, just look what Brock Purdy did playing within it. Having Watson and Doubs in year two, Aaron Jones retuning IMO and hopefully AJ Dillon taking handoffs from Love under center we'll see the best one-two puch at RB in the NFL next year.

I'm scared shitless MLF hires from within for his secondary coach which would be a HUGE mistake. That defensive staff needs new ideas, new blood, on that side of the ball. The Packers are already at a huge disadvantage in 2023 because of Barry returning as DC. That may be a REALLY negative approach to the 2023 season, but Barry's ENTIRE career as a DC justifies that approach.

But ALL of that starts with Rodgers being traded. Take what you can get and move on. Find out what kind of HC MLF is without Rodgers as his QB. If we continue to kick the can down the road, keep Rodgers and all his buddies he wants to stay, it WILL FEEL like the 70's are back for a few years once he does go.

IT IS TIME!

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Coldworld's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:31 am

LaFleur is a huge mistake.

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croatpackfan's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:39 pm

And we knows who is responsible for that hire. They give the job to the man after only one interview and the only interview he had in all NFL for HC. MLF just sold them illusion of "illusion of complexity". That is all. Opposing DC find out what looks like that illusion after 1 and half Q in every game. Add to that that ACR almost always look for "primary" target, it is not hard to scheme D against that. Is it?

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NickPerry's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:38 pm

Excellent points Croat.

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NickPerry's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:42 pm

The issue wit LaFleur is he's not going anywhere, at least for a year for sure, possibly two. Like it or not CW MLF will be the coach.

I'm really curious who the new secondary coach will be. I think that will tell a whole lot of what's to come.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 04, 2023 at 11:50 am

Note: This is LaFleur's offense. It has been his offense for 4 years, it's time to get past the Aaron is changing the plays thing. This is LaFleur's offense. He calls the play, Rodgers looks at his wrist band, he relays the play, and they run the play. Quit suggesting that it's not LaFleur. It's obviously LaFleur. Trust your eyes.

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jurp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:37 pm

It's been pretty well documented that MLF and AR have met more than once to tweak the offense to AR's taste. This is AR's offense, make no mistake about that.

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Bitternotsour's picture

February 04, 2023 at 06:28 pm

It doesn't take LaFleur's name off it. It's LaFleur's offense. It may be tailored to a specific QB, but I don't see any particular difference when Love ran it (other than Love being willing to throw to the middle of the field). Rodger's was openly defiant of McCarthy, and totally freelanced, but he dutifully calls the plays off Matt's wristband.

You've seen different?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 06:04 pm

If MLF is as you say then he's not a head coach. He's a schemer aka play caller. The team was soft because MLF is soft. You can have a great scheming play caller be soft as long as they have a real head coach.

AR12 kept at a lower cost or traded for max value won't fix this problem.

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4thand10's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:34 pm

They only became soft when they stopped running the ball. People here and everywhere on the planet we’re begging them to. MLF didn’t have the stones to control Rodgers this year… but the last 2 -3 yrs he was controlled and played MLFs system and had success . I Don’t think it was in MLFs hands this year. I think Guty and Murphy kissed Rodgers golden ass and let him do what he wanted to do….and we all had seen the results of that. Within the power structure…someone let ACR do whatever the hell he wanted is my suspicion.

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4thand10's picture

February 04, 2023 at 07:27 pm

I Agree NP. 100% Young coach , young players good system.13-3 multiple yrs WITH the system. This yr it looked like McCarthy was coaching…but we all know what that was….QB decided . But I have no clue on how they plan to improve run defense. They last few playoff games and SBs I watched…it wasn’t solely the QBs that got em there. It was by running, stopping the run and taking the throws that are there. Sprinkled with maybe some QB runs which Rodgers doesn’t do much of anymore. I want to see what MLF can do without ACR before i make a full judgement. Rodgers insisted on Tom Clements … it’s a crazy world. I say send him down to jerah land in texas.

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Ikrispy's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:34 pm

Thank you AR for the excitement and the wins over the years. It’s unfortunate your talents don’t translate to big post season games. At this point we need to cut our losses and move on, no matter the compensation, no matter the cost.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 06:22 pm

That's the kind of thinking that dumped Amari Rogers for NO value shortly after the trade deadline and using him as a returner which we knew last year he's not.

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Packerpasty's picture

February 04, 2023 at 12:35 pm

The Rodgers story?? Yah, its the talking heads and blog writers who are keeping the story alive and going on and on and on...Rodgers, he squawks up on Tuesdays maybe but doesn't say half as much as all these writers and bloggers....if you don't want it to keep going STFU!!!

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stockholder's picture

February 04, 2023 at 03:09 pm

The Packers are not looking to get back anything.
We learned that with Favre.
Retirement talk equals a 3rd round pick.
It Equals a Packer great going to the enemy.
And a negative view from everyone, but the few here.
So you're tired of him. Big deal. He's a Hall of fame player.
And the board does not want Loose and rebuild.
They know Rodgers is a winner. Regardless of his Faults.
They don't want to look like the villains.
And they still want the PACKERS TO BE AMERICA's TEAM!
Murphy remembers and knows what went on with #4.
The Packers are only as good as it's draft picks.
Something everyone in Green Bay, expected to be better.

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jurp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:44 pm

The people on THIS board have seen Rodgers flame out three times in a row in January. If Murphy, Scooter and Gutekunst refuse to see that, then they're living in an alternate reality. AR is not a villain, but he is a pretty bad post-season QB with a prickly manipulative personality that has worn thin over the past three years. As I said elsewhere, his schtick has grown old and we are tired of it.

Our drafts have been hit-and-miss, like everyone else's, but 2022s has the potential to be something special.

Favre's pick was a conditional that turned out to be a third rounder. Do your research.

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stockholder's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:48 pm

Flame out= But other teams still want Him.
The demand out weighs your argument!
Conditional or not. It was a 3rd rd.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:45 pm

Stock, just a heads up on a possible typo. You typed "Rodgers is a winner"...did you mean to type whiner?

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stockholder's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:57 pm

The Whiners are on SNL.
No Typo.
Gutey won't pull that trigger.
The trade talk is LV.
Carr has a better shot at coming here.
And Love being traded.

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pantz_bURp's picture

February 04, 2023 at 05:18 pm

Okay 👍

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tommynak's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:37 pm

Cory, you can't be anymore wrong regarding who has all the leverage. The Packers hold it all. The likelihood of AR walking away from somewhere around $60 mill this year is doubtful. Brady out of the market so early adds another feather into Packers management coffer. Yes they are saying all the right things to press, we love AR we want him back, would love to be a fly on the wall in meetings without AR around because I believe it would sound quite different. But everyone keeps hanging on the word of our narcissistic QB and when he says he's ready will let everyone know. Time for Packers management to step up and do the right thing for this organization moving forward and move AR and turn reins over to Love, we gotta find out. Let other teams GM's know what their intent is and let the bidding begin. Whether thats 2 first rounders or a 1st & 2nd with added player, all is better than the situation the Packers currently reside in with AR in false limbo knowing he is not retiring. The last thing that the man that has never passed a mirror he didn't stop and admire is going to do is share Hall of Fame induction with the GOAT.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

February 04, 2023 at 04:47 pm

Of course AR12's decision has to come first, and that's still an unknown. His cap hit this season will be $31-60MM, based on what people who should know say.

That's not confusing at all.

He says he's willing to renegotiate his deal and money isn't everything, he's made a lot of money he wants to win. If he were willing to play for $20MM, and that kind of leadership got other stars to also take a pay cut to $20MM, and he were interested in practicing with every target as many reps as they need like TB12 has talked about, then they'd have a good shot of not only being a team but even a GOOD team.

If that fantasy doesn't happen the Jets have broadcast that they're willing to pay for a veteran QB and are interested specifically in AR. They should be able to get AT LEAST first and second round draft picks this year and a first next year. Can that be done without a cap hit for AR this year?

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SinceLombardi's picture

February 05, 2023 at 06:51 am

I live in NY and many of my friends are Jets fans. It’s about 50/50 on a possible Rodgers trade. Some that don’t want him insist that the Jets o line can’t protect a 39 year old QB.
Others insist he’s all they need to be a super bowl contender. The situation reminds me of Reggie White. Reggie picked GB in part because of his first hand knowledge that they were up and coming with Favre. The Packers had played Philly and White was impressed.
I’m sure Rodgers hasn’t forgotten how the Jets clobbered the packers last year, without the benefit of a decent quarterback.
No doubt he’s leaving, MLF will be on his own and the results, I’m thinking could be ugly.
Rodgers knows this is not the best time to be a GBP. Coaching means everything in this league and the Packers are challenged on both sides of the ball.

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SinceLombardi's picture

February 05, 2023 at 07:07 am

Does anyone think the Packers with Rodgers are a better team than the Jets with Rodgers??
Rodgers is also well aware . I’m sure he can’t wait until the week after the Super Bowl for the deal to finalize.
The Packers will get what they wish for and battle the Bears for the basement… even if Aaron stayed. Meanwhile the Jets will battle Buffalo and Miami for the AFE East.
Perhaps it will take a few 4 win seasons to rid us of a bad staff ( except for Bisiaccia) and an impotent front office.
Things move a little slower in GB because every seat is always filled. There is nothing like empty seats to motivate change.

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Chicheese85's picture

February 05, 2023 at 08:46 am

AR12 will be back for the season. More than a few years have gone by and each off-season the NFL as well as players use the media to stay relevant and it works. Many worry whether he is being traded or not AR12 is out there having the time of his life. A player likely to get traded or ready to retire would not be playing golf. He is doing what he does each season and that’s getting a grasp on his emotions. It is best to ride the wave and let him retire a Packer. Green Bay has had great football for decades and everyone is in panic mode at the thought of losing that which is understandable. AR12 is at the candy shop getting a taste of the rumors and the possibility of other teams showing interest. At the end of day he knows he will not have chemistry with another team compared to what he has with the Pack. In all honesty if they trade him for supposed good draft picks that means we also lose potentially a current WR or RB and I don’t think the Pack will go total rebuild just yet. My guess they play the odds…..they let Love go and bring in a veteran backup QB and get something from the draft. It can go two ways and that is getting into the playoffs this season or miserably failing in hopes of a good draft pick for the rebuild.

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Chicheese85's picture

February 05, 2023 at 08:48 am

GO PACK GO!

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mjbrogno's picture

February 05, 2023 at 10:52 am

The Packers are going to have eat part of Rodgers contract if he is traded. It’s better than dishing out 58 million. I truly believe he will be playing for the Jets this season. The time has come to move on from the yearly drama. I thought the yearly drama with Farve at seasons end was tough, , but the yearly drama with Rodgers isn’t even close to Farve.

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